I think it could be much lower than that
#virtual-reality
raven halo
digital marlin
Ah thanks.
digital marlin
not a bad price
mighty carbon
vs $265 for 1060 and $400 for 1070
digital marlin
I need to update my 970.
pearl tangle
1050 is not really worthwhile getting for vr
mighty carbon
Oculus says it is ๐
(assuming devs make games with 1050Ti in mind)
otherwise, yeah, it's not
wintry escarp
1050 was less than half the speed of my 780, I doubt ASW is that amazing
since I keep getting told my 780 is shit
mighty carbon
well, if a game is made for 1080 and you run it on 1050, then yeah, nothing will help you
also, 780 is Kepler
1050Ti is Pascal
wintry escarp
but I don't think tricks make up for being 50% slower overall
mighty carbon
from common man's perspective, there is no difference ๐
but I am sure lens matching shading won't run on 780
for all I know 10-series are better for VR
native cedar
did anyone play with this integration to get crispier images in vr?
it implements smaa and makes it possible to use two types at once
wicked oak
1050ti is not good for VR
need 970 or 1060
not all games implement the LMS instanced stereo tricks
and ASW is obvious
mighty carbon
If you aim at 1050Ti as baseline, you can sell a lot more copies
wicked oak
no you cant
becouse 1050ti is below recomended settings
do you really think people will skimp on the GPU that much with a 800 dollar VR headset?
native cedar
need data on how many 1050 VR users are out there
mighty carbon
@wicked oak Oculus is the one recommending 1050Ti as min
@native cedar maybe not a lot, since most people who has VR are devs.
However, when it comes to getting new PC (or upgrading old one, assuming it can be upgraded), do you think people would rather spend $165 for 1050Ti which they can also use to play non-VR games easily, or 1070 that costs $400 ?
native cedar
personally I'd go with 1060
wicked oak
1060 no doubt
its the one on the recomended settings and has the VRWorks stuff
they will get a 1060 that you can buy for 200 dollars
becouse its 50 dollars more than the 1050ti but FAAAAR stronger
and whats 50 dollars when you are spending 800 on the headset + another bunch of money for the PC
i dont even test on anything below my 970
Oculus doesnt care of the min settings
they care that your game runs at 90 fps on a 970
if it does, then you are gold
the minimum settings are PR only so they can sell cheaper prebuilts
full junco
gpu is easily adjustable, you can always set the screen percentage to 50% for bad gpus and it will still run great
minimum settings are allowed to look shitty
but in trailers you should obviously show gtx 1080 graphics ๐
full junco
my game probably needs i7 minimum, yeah
full junco
and cpu is not really adjustable
wicked oak
but then they say 2000 drawcalls in Bullet Train and it runs well for them :/
full junco
you can't do anything to lower that without affecting gameplay
@wicked oak Vulkan will fix that
wicked oak
yeah
if its as good as how ps4 runs GNM, then im all over it
that moment where DWVR runs FASTER on ps4
and then bottlenecks on the character movement logic
its quite impressive. If they manage to get that same thing working on PC, for multithread renderthread
full junco
they should
mighty carbon
when you have family, you have different priorities (on top of that bills, debt, etc.) So if I wasn't devving and wanted VR, I'd go with 1050Ti, especially that I can play any game on the market using it.
and where can you get 1060 for $200 ?!
has anyone tried this one ?
stable shadow
Finally I solved my Body Tracking problems but on a test character i need to run later on my final character with better performance, any body else needs that can watch this awesome guy videos, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRAf7dZULce8SRLa9TdgjNw
wicked oak
i really want to get hold of an AR headset
maybe next year
when they are more developed
i have lots of cool ideas to try
including the obvious as hell idea of "literally anime yugioh"
of a card game in AR where you spawn big monsters and stuff
mighty carbon
sounds like a lot of those don't care to provide support for UE4 :/
mighty carbon
that's for Gear VR
pretty high quality game (or so it looks from the video)
@wicked oak why not ?
wicked oak
you need fancy shaders and strange light
and ctotal and complete flexibilty
i think Unity or rolling your own engine might work better on that
you only need to render random meshes on some locations in the 3d world
you could do that on vulkan directly and use very little power
mental chasm
hai!1
I was wondering, GEngine->HMDDevice->GetOrientationAndLocation doesn't seem to report the actual position of the camera, but rather the pawn location
has anyone found a good fix for this?
googling around now, but no dice so far
maybe it would be easier to get the projection data and get the data from there
just seems like something there is probably already and interface for though ๐
graceful junco
Are you talking about GetOrientationAndPosition? That get's the HMD location in local space of the pawn. You can tranform that to world space or you can take the actor location of the camera.
raven halo
@wicked oak bullet train has 2000 draw calls? how many of those are batched? I'm pretty sure they are using ISMC
wicked oak
says so on a document from them
i dont know how becouse im having massive problems with 1000 drawcalls and super simple materials
less than 1000 now that ive optimized with HLOD
ember kayak
Has anyone come up with a method of determining the current lets say "relative" for now speed of the motion controllers during a given time period. I.E how fast are the motion controllers moving within the play space. I say relative speed because as an example it could be like a float between 1 to 100 or whatever measurement unit your function requires but the end goal is to somehow measure the speed at which the player is moving the motion controllers. Thanks in advance
graceful junco
Each tick save the location of the motion controller. Take the current location - the previous location to get the traveled distance. Divide by delta time to get the speed.
ember kayak
very simple approach thanks @graceful junco
worked like a charm. Awesome thanks again.
sharp swan
Do controllers not have a delta for movement?
I mean the mouse does in respect to the cursor. I would think it's appropriate to have that for controllers too
mental chasm
sigh
no matter what I do, I cannot seem to get the actual position of the headset
the reported location is always below me (actor location)
tried to go via cameramanager, actor, GEngine->HMDDevice, rendering etc.
I wonder what I'm missing...
ember kayak
not sure @sharp swan ill investigate if i find anything i'll let you know.
sharp swan
@mental chasm are you working with rift or vive?
granite jacinth
Anyone ever get "blurred vision" almost like the there's a disconnect in the HMD?
sharp swan
hmm double vision seems like objects being too close to camera and not getting the sterescopic effect, or in screenspace. Checked that?
granite jacinth
It's not that
sharp swan
had to ask ๐
granite jacinth
nothing's changed on my end in regards to programming
So, I am wondering if it's some visual thing the artists did that's killing me
sharp swan
got a screenie or not allowed?
granite jacinth
it doesn't show up unless you're in the HMD
which is the strange thing
And only happens in UE4, I just tried out a few games in steam
lol
Yeah, something they did
The reasoning behind the double vision is the sub 30FPS I am getting
๐
sharp swan
doh
mental chasm
@sharp swan Vive ๐
mental chasm
oh, I should get the floor position?
I see
@sharp swan Any idea which property it is?
Been digging in IHeadMountedDisplay.h for a good hour now ๐
sharp swan
god I haven't used a vive to develop with for about a year now. All I remember is the orientation is set to Floor for roomscale and EyeLevel for Rift style. Which means with Rift you get the camera location and rotation. However the Vive gets an offset from the floor.
mental chasm
hm
I'll just keep trying permutations for now
guided by that hint ๐
the weird part is that it's offset by a very exact vector
it really feels like it's some config value that I set when I configured the vive
that I just need to access and add to my current position
mental chasm
@wicked oak I've tried the GetTrackingOrigin, and added that to the reported position
in different combinations with actorlocation
still offset below me though ๐ฆ
granite jacinth
This is what I am dealing with atm ๐
Too much shit rendering at the same time with instruction count omega op materials
tired tree
How much of those non moving objects are you instancing / mesh combining Victor
draw calls are a killer in VR if uninstanced, since you are doubling them
glossy agate
@granite jacinth Will the HLOD system from simplygone work for cutting down on draw calls?
glossy agate
And maybe some level streaming could help break up the load?
Yeah, but I think the HLOD system can put a handfull of meshes into one call, like one whole wall as a call instead of each modular piece.
mighty carbon
folks, does it make sense to release Early Access VR game on Gear VR or better release smaller scope (however small it is) final game and then build on top of that ?
digital marlin
you guys ever lose one eye when doing a VR test? real painful.
pearl tangle
lose it or close it?
I would imagine losing an eye would be quite painful
@mighty carbon I don't think early access makes much of a difference, if somebody is interested in buying it then I would say they would likely buy it as soon as its available. Just depends how bad your early access is if you lose potential customers or not, just gotta get it past a certain level of polish and capabilities first and you should be fine
digital marlin
Well have it only display from one. I should say heh
full junco
@digital marlin @pearl tangle ehm yeah, losing an eye when testing VR doesn't sound too good? ๐ฎ
when you mean losing the image on the screen, then why do you say losing an eye ๐
@mighty carbon GearVR is probably a special market and most people here don't know it good enough to say much about it
pearl tangle
motorsep is the only person on here that does gear vr dev im pretty sure
oh actually there was 1 other guy who likes the mobile stuff
tired tree
PCVRMR
digital marlin
haha sorry I mean when half the image doesn't render
Actually it was worse, one half rendered unside down for some reason.
It was like getting visually waterboarded.
pearl tangle
hah yeah i remember getting that problem sometimes. usually the steam vr or oculus software going stupid. also got it on cardboard and gear vr occasionally too
normally a restart fixes things up
heavy tiger
When I started my VR project I don't think I picked scaleable 2D/3D for the configuration. What visual options should I change to improve VR performance.
sturdy coral
@heavy tiger leaving it desktop instead of scalable is fine. open the post process volume and turn off ambient occlusion, fringe, lens flare, vignette, depth of field, film grain, and dirt mask. If you have baked lighting, turn on baked ambient occlusion in lightmass settings.
heavy tiger
Thanks.
The post process volume doesn't seem to have any of those options. Are they in project settings?
whoops nevermind they were folded.
sturdy coral
yeah they start folded
mighty carbon
what a pain in the ass to deal with 3D widgets that need to be opaque and have no depth test :/
sturdy coral
can't you change materials on 3d widgets now?
heavy tiger
I'm not sure.
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon or do mean depth test inside the material?
in a masked material you can make a crude depth test with a distance field query
pearl tangle
there is also just a button to change it to a scalable 2D 1 too
mighty carbon
@sturdy coral mobile VR.. Needs to be opaque, fully rough and no depth test
pearl tangle
yeah there are work arounds
mighty carbon
I am doing some material hackery and it doesn't work well on UMG
pearl tangle
even making a fade in/out effect is annoying for mobile vr since HDR doesn't work so you can't just use the sequencer fade
mighty carbon
doing hackery with UMG being additive transparent, which is the cheapest out of all transparents, and then having a black backing with no depth material hack
works, but bizarre setup
sturdy coral
what are you using the depth test for?
mighty carbon
well, if you place 3D widget component into player's BP and move it away from the camera, it will clip into world's geometry
by disabling depth test you can move it as far as you want to - it will draw on top of everything
for whatever reasons unknown to me Epic decided it's too much work to provide that option for opaque surfaces
so my options are: 1. material hack (doesn't work well with UMG), 2. transparent material (slow on mobile), 3. render UMG widget into Stereo Layer (might be even slower than additive transparent material)
cobalt grove
Hey guys, if any of you do VR in UE4 you need to know about this special version of it that can do the full Nvidia VRWorks library https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/5tw73c/ue4_vr_devs_if_you_waiting_for_an_invitation_to/
digital marlin
So Nvidia have a branch for Unreal 4 VR users?
still frost
is mitch the vr guy in these parts?
heavy tiger
How can I get the size and orientation of the chaperone bounds for steam VR?
heavy tiger
Of the bounds component itself?
granite jacinth
@heavy tiger yup
heavy tiger
Thanks.
cobalt grove
To be able to view the branch, you will have to do this https://www.unrealengine.com/ue4-on-github
I believe you need to download this special branch, compile a UE4 editor with it from M$ Visual Studio (.NET), import your game and then export using this special compiled version of UE4. And check these boxes (the red rectangle) http://imgur.com/a/NTK6W
tawdry dragon
Anyone here knows how to get the location of the center of play area
I need to use this for my teleportation, so that where you point the teleporter, is actually where you are gonna end up(compesating your offset from the center of the play area)
real needle
@tawdry dragon Get actor location
dusk vigil
I'm getting some weird behaviors with VRPawn and Overlap events, like it will be spamming begin/end overlaps per frame. This is normal, just have to add a timelock, or is it a symptom of something else?
dusk vigil
annoying but such is life
dusk vigil
so, hang on.. you disconnect the collision component from the camera, and update it by hand?
eternal inlet
Yeah
dusk vigil
ok, sounds better than making kludgy stuff elsewhere. Thanks for the tip
dusk vigil
definitely
dusk vigil
It seems to work for me just by moving it from under VRCamera to under DefaultSceneRoot
native cedar
so that hzb setupmips chewing 4ms frame time is legit or just a bug in-editor preview?
wicked oak
in editor bug
radiant cairn
Just checking: i dont have htc vive and that doesnt stop me from packaging my vr project?
real needle
@radiant cairn Nope
radiant cairn
Ofc if I dont have win8.1 sdk this wont work... #iamidiot
tired tree
@digital marlin Guy on reddit was just trolling because of NVIDIA's past physx history, it doesn't cause 1/2 speed for AMD users. However last time I merged VRWorks they were not fully testing on AMD hardware and it WAS causing visual artifacts and crashes. Def test on AMD before switching if you intend to use it.
native cedar
is it normal that no lens matched shading with sp 140 has worse performance than lens matched shading at 3 with sp 200?
according to nvidia the number of pixels should be much less
tired tree
it is significantly less
in fact 3 has visual artifacts
run one of the mirror modes that isn't cropped, one of the circle ones
native cedar
I use lens matched at 2 for the build I am working on
not noticing any artifact or quality loss compared to lms 1
tired tree
you have to check peripheral vision, thats the whole point of lens matched.
I think that vr.lensmatchedshadingrenderingresolution overrides screen percentage though, or at least it assumes SP of 100
last I remember
native cedar
r.screenpercentage does affect the rendering and performance when vr.lensmatchedshadingrendering is not 0
140 doesn't seem to be enough for my project, but maybe I can go lower than 200
perhaps 189
180
tired tree
I didn't say it didn't, it just has a different effect
if renderingresolution is 0.75 then that 200 will be scaled
you don't actually have 200 SP on the entire view
native cedar
yeah yeah I just want high sp in the middle
tired tree
thats how you get the extreme performance out of VRWorks though, renderingresolution, you sacrifice more edge clarity.
native cedar
f edges โค
tired tree
Think I used to play around with 0.6 rendering resolution and SP 300, no issues except in very edges of view
but past 200 to maaaybe 250 SP doesn't really do much
mighty carbon
@clever sky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_JGtub5T8
tired tree
can only pack so much in that pixel density
clever sky
@mighty carbon I'm quite familiar with Ryan's work.
native cedar
which variable do you use to affect renderingresolution?
mighty carbon
@clever sky seems like he doesn't bob his head or anything weird like that
tired tree
think its vr.lensmatchedshadingrenderingresolution because it was vr.multiresrenderingresolution
type vr. in console and scroll through the options
clever sky
The solution he shows off in that video definetly reads the head motion.
native cedar
tried that, nothing useful I am actually considering withdrawing to multires. Are you using multires?
clever sky
to determine speed of motion.
tired tree
lens matched is a better multires, its based off of multires
raven halo
Do we know what the percentage of VR players have an AMD graphics card? Are there any stats?
tired tree
but no, i dropped testing VRWorks because it was broken for AMD and I got tired of fixing it
clever sky
He's implemented an updated version that uses the vive controllers instead of the HMD - but it needs you to put the controllers in your pocket
and also to use the Xbox gamepad to determine direction.
Anyway, I provide Ryan with credit for giving me the impetus to start my own project. But his overall strategy is a none-starter IMO.
i.e. he only wants to implement in-place locomotion with leg based trackers. Which will happen - but also only serve a niche of an already small market.
tired tree
meh, its niche for now. He is looking down the road when everything has foot tracking
don't think his system is intended to be used in its current state
mighty carbon
hmm... weird. I just doesn't look like he is doing head bobbing in the video.. I figured if one can just jog in place without bobbing head or anything unnatural like that, it could be a good locomotion system.
clever sky
Personally, looking down the road - it seems more than anything, there'll be a variety of systems with different specs.
Whether that's after market stuff users add on themselves, or just competitor devices that cater to the LCD.
mighty carbon
@raven halo Steam Hardware Survey ?
tired tree
motorsep, you can, but he placed the controller in his belt, most won't want to do that
mighty carbon
why not to keep it in the hand? What difference does it make anyway ?
clever sky
@mighty carbon because he wants to use leg motion to drive the forward motion of the avatar.
tired tree
for any current use
clever sky
it's a closer analogue to human motion.
tired tree
it would be great if the user didn't have to currently sacrifice a handfor it
clever sky
2 hands
tired tree
its the obvious choice with real waist tracking
clever sky
Actually (leg tracking using two controllers) is not dissimilar to the idea of arm swingers.
mighty carbon
I still think all that is gimmicky, least to say.. Teleport/dash is the way to go for now.
clever sky
Ok.
mighty carbon
or, need to have attachable soles or something with sensors that convert steps into motion
tired tree
waist belt would be enough
mighty carbon
not bobbing or anything, but pressure I guess
tired tree
full foot tracking is the dream, but its not required for a significant improvement
waist belt = real center of stance + bobbing + leaning support naturally
mighty carbon
when VR is a ubiquitous as smartphone, then maybe all that will come around
right now people are hesitant to buy HMD alone (because it needs pricey PC)
tired tree
nah, the moment pucks go on sale i'm making one for my personal use
i don't make games anyway
:p
clever sky
Far out.
I knew the Rift had a smaller FOV.
I just didn't realize it was that much smaller
Maybe it's because I'm too used to my thin-foam Vive.
I get really good FOV on that ๐
Had early testers complaining about cut off UI in that. So I moved the arrow indicator up.
Well within a clear zone on the Vive (15 or so degrees above the bottom edge)
And on the Rift, the same arrow without alteration gets the bottom 1/3rd cut off.
clever sky
I think on paper the Vive is supposed to have 110 and the Rift 100
Comparable.
In practice, the Vive with Gear VR foam conforms much better to my face shape than the Rift with its more narrow angled facial interafce
So I'm probably getting optimal FOV with the Vive and sub optimal with the Rift (110+ to 80-90 degrees).
mighty carbon
has anyone tried LPV in VR ?
mighty carbon
mighty carbon
read it first
mighty carbon
hmm.. today is only Tuesday, but this channel is already dead :/
sharp swan
maybe nobody can see it because they have vr headsets on
mighty carbon
lol, good point ๐
Discord needs VR plugin for UE4 !
@wicked oak have you tried LPV in VR with LMS ? (not necessarily in your game, but maybe in a test scene?)
real needle
@mighty carbon https://github.com/Hotrian/OpenVRDesktopDisplayPortal
that will let u drop any window in vr
no keyboard support yet tho, it seems
as in, steamvr's floaty keyboard*
and/or whatever oculus has
mighty carbon
what about non-open source VR desktops? Like this one http://store.steampowered.com/app/382110/
or this one http://store.steampowered.com/app/457550/ ?
real needle
but you cant run those ontop of ue4 ๐
youll get a floaty window with your ue4, and you (i assume) wanna be in vr ue4 and get floaty windows of other things (like discord)
mighty carbon
@echo flax do you use LPVs in your game ?
echo flax
not at the moment
Just using dfao and movable lights atm
Oh wait, the VR game? Nah just lightmass
echo flax
It's pretty cheap but arduous to get good results with
Last time I checked it also only showed up in one eye in VR too but that was ages ago
I had it set up pretty good in my stealth game a while ago but it not supporting point or spot lights was a big pain and it doesn't work on ps4
mighty carbon
oh.. hmm... I saw this https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?130970-Dynamic-GI-Getting-the-Most-out-of-LPV-(-Light-Propagation-Volume- and I figured it would look good in VR
PS4 doesn't support LPV ? o.O ouch..
says it works on PS3
but maybe UE4's implementation doesn't work on consoles since it's unfinished ?
oh well...
fresh laurel
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon ah, yeah stereo layer is preferable. It is an extra cost, but it is probably cheaper than the double transparency solution. It is also resolution independent so it always stays readable even if you are using dynamic resolution scaling. Mitch's Lab just put up an example of it on Youtube the other day. It also helps avoid temporal AA blur, but that isn't an issue if you are on mobile using forward rendering.
mighty carbon
Currently I am using 1 additive transparency UMG 3D widget and backing plane (stretch quad mesh, 2 triangles) with depth hack dark material. Haven't nailed good depth hack value yet, but almost there. It seems to be almost as cheap as opaque 3D widget.
I might give stereo layer a go, but I think it will be quite pricey as it involves using render to texture in order to have UMG widget showing in Stereo Layer
sturdy coral
Yeah, unlit and additive is pretty cheap, but you will still be rendering the opaque background behind it with stereo layer or not
@mighty carbon I think you have to render to texture either way
mighty carbon
no, Stereo Layer is opaque when using opaque UMG, but Stereo Layer has an option to disable depth test, even for opaque material/texture/UMG
if I simply use a plain texture, I just use it as is in Stereo Layer.. No need to render to texture. Otherwise I have to do some black magic o.O
sturdy coral
but UMG 3D widget itself has to get the UI into a texture somehow, right?
mighty carbon
no
it's a component
just add component to your BP actor, specify your UMG widget and bam! - you have 3D widget
sturdy coral
yeah but it still uses a texture underneath
mighty carbon
whatever is done under the hood doesn't matter
making UMG to show up in stereo layer isn't automatic thing.
sturdy coral
right, it is more implementation work
mighty carbon
you literally have to do some stuff to make it happen
sturdy coral
I just mean performance wise they are both rendering to a texture
sturdy coral
yeah, I haven't tried it or profiled or anything
but it shouldn't be a big difference as long as it isn't doing an extra copy of the texture somewhere or something
another thing you could do with perf is render an opaque unlit quad in the same place
won't help when your menu is showing up from behind the scene, but would when it isn't, which is probably the normal case
that should help whether using stereo layers or not
mighty carbon
Oh, for menu I'll just use standard opaque 3D widgets.
I am only struggling with this because it's HUD
I even contemplated making player toss a puck and have HUD pop out of it ๐
and when player walks away, automatically fold and rubber band back to player
but it's just too much to mess with when you simply want to see what items you have or whatever
but it'd look cool ๐
sturdy coral
yeah
mighty carbon
HUD in VR (Gear VR anyway) is awkward - resolution isn't high enough, FOV isn't wide enough
so HUD has to be pretty large and it can't be on the side of the view
and chromatic aberration doesn't help at all
full junco
well, solution is to make a game where you dont need a HUD
mighty carbon
you need HUD either way - inventory, health, armor, info, etc.
doesn't have to be attached to the view, but you need it
however minimalistic it is
or make experience where you just walk around and you don't get to have health, armor, can't pickup items, etc. ๐
real needle
@fresh laurel i call hoax, gabe acknowledges the number 3, this cant be real
real needle
:L
deft badge
Hey everyone, I have some profiling questions:
I have 4 scenes in my forward rendered VR experience.
When doing GPU profiling (Stat GPU) on a development build (not in the editor) with lighting built.....
I see that translucency is eating up a decent chunk of my render budget. Cool, I can address that.
But the second heaviest item is [unaccounted]
How can I identify what [unaccounted] is?
Is there a better place to ask this? The forums?
raven halo
make a development build
and hook RenderDoc to it
it has been of way more help to me when profiling VR than the profileGPU
or the new stat gpu for that matter
deft badge
@raven halo Thanks, will try
eternal inlet
anyone know of a good walk through for showing one camera in the hmd and a second one on a regular screen?
for ie. asymmetrical gameplay
native cedar
What are your Profiling tools? Has anyone tried Intel GPA profiler?
native cedar
lol I just realized asking a question about profiling right after a profiling discussion, sorry was having lunch and the idea crossed my mind so I shot
mighty carbon
๐
finally got depth hack tuned last night (hooked up touchpad swipes to be dynamically setting depth value and print that value in the 3D HUD). That saved me a ton of time on rebuilding and testing on Gear VR ๐
native cedar
any good tutorial on this renderdoc thing?
what I liked about intel gpa is that you had this little graph with all the draw calls ordered in cost and by clicking on them you could see what a draw call was drawing
ok I checked some tutorial and it's just not working, no overlay, no captures
graceful junco
I was just checking out renderdoc as well. Are you guys using the renderdoc ue4 plugin? Cause I can't get it to compile.
native cedar
I just installed renderdoc x64 and tried hooking it up with different UE4 builds (various engine versions, development, shipping) but what happens is I hit capture and it's like just starting the game: no overlay, no api detected, nothing
hope the plugin fares better
mighty carbon
are there any most recent and well supported Project Tango plugins for UE4 ?
raven halo
There is a checkbox in RenderDoc that you need to make sure is checked when hooking
It something along the lines of "hook child windows"
mighty carbon
ooh, intriguing
native cedar
@raven halo thank you for the tip, I'll try it tomorrow
raven halo
I'm always scared to update :/
cobalt relic
You shouldn't. Use branches in your VCS
Do a 4.15 branch, do only "upgrade fixes" commits on the branch, do gameplay commits on master ; when you're confident the version is good, merge
mighty carbon
but it has monoscopic rendering for Gear VR @raven halo !
raven halo
I don't think I'll benefit from it. As my environments are mostly one single mesh, with an atlas and a single lighhtmap
For monoscopic to make sense you need to have quite a few assets in the level, or am I mistaken?
Also in using ES 3.1, I don't think it works for that
tired tree
only if the distance in the level is enough that they can conjoin
its still a great feature though
sullen burrow
Oculus stubborn decissions not to support an SDK for osx sucks. I still have to go back n forth on bootstrap to work on my VR project
Seriously, reason to return the oculus and get a vive, but I hate vive's motion controllers.
mighty carbon
wait a bit
Vive is coming with new controllers and new tracking stations
maybe even this year
mighty carbon
and maybe that will get Oculus to do something better !
mighty carbon
(I am still pro-Oculus not because of hardware, but also because of better managed store front )
if I would have been in business for enterprise or amusement parks, I'd go with Vive (with new controllers ๐ )
wicked oak
@sullen burrow can you tell me any apple machine that CAN meet the requirements?
official one, not something like a hackintosh
sullen burrow
well I got the new 15" macbook pro, maxed out, it plays worderfully
tired tree
better managed store front with no cross compatibility...
wicked oak
its not even a strong laptop GPU, just the integrated
tired tree
okkkkkkk
sullen burrow
they have no idea. It plays magnifically
mighty carbon
lol, "Oculus ewwww" but "Apple is awesome" pffff
wicked oak
sure, come back when you can run Witcher 3 at ultra at 60 fps in 1080p
becouse thats the kind of power needed for VR
there is not a single apple machine that meets that power
sullen burrow
I am talking about developing, no lag
wicked oak
you need to test what you are developing
sullen burrow
of course there isn't one to play maxxed out games
wicked oak
wtf did you buy a mac for this
mighty carbon
@tired tree that's how it works well for business and nothing stops devs making several versions of the game, just like they have been doing for different platforms from the dawn of time
wicked oak
same price you get a brutal 1060 or similar laptop
sullen burrow
that's why I bought a GTX 980 Ti and waiting for my Thunderbolt 3 akitio node
sullen burrow
I dont think, it runs
wicked oak
can you link me that?
sullen burrow
sure sec
wicked oak
with windows then yeah, but MacOS GPu drivers are made by Apple
thats why they are still on a 5 year old opengl
and no Vulkan support
sullen burrow
yeah, in windows with bootcamp
wicked oak
and Apple doesnt use Nvidia cards in any of their products
then why do you need oculus in OsX?
sullen burrow
unfortunatelly not anymore, but I am surprised with the new ATIs
wicked oak
you could have bought a laptop with a 1070 GPU for cheaper
sullen burrow
their support team does a great job updating drivers and supporting
wicked oak
and you dont need to have both things with the dodgy connection
sullen burrow
yes but my main job is graphic design, try illustrator, indesign, photoshop in Windows.. I used to.. never again
sullen burrow
It crashes every hour. I know. I was a PC user my entire life
wicked oak
man you ate into mac marketing completely
the "macs for design" was more than 10 years ago
sullen burrow
no matter what, windows will crash. on osx, I don't remember my last restart
funny because it still crashes on windows 10
wicked oak
becouse macs had different hardware than pcs
now its the same thing
and the programs are the same
just compiled for a different OS, but the program is the exact same
sullen burrow
its not about the hardware. All these dumb dll files cause thousand of incompatibilities
wicked oak
no they dont
mighty carbon
lol, I am on Windows since i486DX and I don't see why graphic design people hate it..
mighty carbon
if you are devving for mass market, Windows is the way
sullen burrow
@mighty carbon only the one's not willing to pay for what makes them money. It's personal preference as well
mighty carbon
there is literally no difference making design on Apple or on Windows, given same screen and equal hardware.
sullen burrow
but for game dev. I so agree. Windows is the way to go
wicked oak
i dunno, but im sure apple is worse every year
for pcs
80something % of their profit is from the iphone
they dont give a shit about the pc market
mighty carbon
meh, politics and development don't go hand to hand
wicked oak
look at the last laptop
with the touchbar, and worse performance than the 2013 model
and 17 different dongles
meanwhile you can get a razer blade with a 1060 wich is one hell of a monster
for cheaper
steel marlin
hello
anyone here working with the htc vive?
I'm looking for a way to know wheter the HMD is on a head on not
any idea?
sullen burrow
I was considering not buying the macbook and get a pc laptop. They are freaking terrible design, heavy, not user friendly, MASSIVE. I don't need to carry that brick in my backpack. That's why I desided to go with apple, I hate apple since Jobs passed away
wicked oak
this one isnt
look at the pictures, and its 14 inches VR ready pc
with support for a 4k screen
sullen burrow
hell yeah, I saw everything, I bought my macbook 20 days ago. I searched everything. I wouldn't spent 3.250 if I didnt
wicked oak
you could have bought the high end model of this razer blade
wich comes with a 1080
on a thin laptop
mighty carbon
@steel marlin eveyone here is with HTC Vive (and I am with Gear VR)
steel marlin
ok, then, do you have a consistent way to check if the HMD is on head or not?
sullen burrow
I could, but in the same time I hate windows more than mac
mighty carbon
@sullen burrow can't you simply return your Apple laptop and get your money back ?
wicked oak
well, you are paying 2000 dollars for MacOS
sullen burrow
I am pretty excited about the mac, 4 Thunderbolt 3, battery lasts FOREVER. 4gb GPU, 16gb ram, 1tb ssd.. hell no
tired tree
@steel marlin not really, because most detection methods would trigger off of being in hands as well, you could have them have to look at something for a period
wicked oak
razer blade with 1060 GPU, 256 ssd, and an i7 is 1800 dollars
sullen burrow
hate the huge trackpad and the touchbar though. Both Unnecessary.
wicked oak
so you are literally paying 1500 for mac OS
anyway, Oculus will never add support for Mac OS
at least in the short term
there is not a single apple computer that has the power needed
even if you get a 5000$ desktop mac pro, still cant run VR
wicked oak
the razer goes to 3.6
sullen burrow
uncomparable
sullen burrow
I would never get a windows laptop, I am always on the road. Need something slick with lots of battery
wicked oak
that is a logical use then
sullen burrow
and Akitio thunderbolt 3 nailed my game dev reqs
oh let me send you the link
It's huge, fits every card on the market.
wicked oak
but its easier to just get a laptop that has that integrated
and still need to use windows anyway for any gamedev
sullen burrow
there is another brand, BiZonbox, they basically copy Akitio..
yes, but I don't make money from game dev .. yet ๐
I work full time on Graphic Design and web development
Windows don't help me anywhere on that. Antivirus and extra crap consume energy for no reason
tired tree
what
wicked oak
you dont need an antivirus
i dont use one
use Adblock and 99% of the virus are out
windows defender does the rest
sullen burrow
since when? did you try an antimalware open source to find out what's running on your pc?
give it a shot, you will be surprised
wicked oak
i did
no virus
1: i dont open random emails, and dont download random pdfs
2: i dont pirate
3: i use adblock
not a single virus in years
and i do scans from time to time
cobalt relic
Same here for the last decade
wicked oak
there are virus for mac do you know?
becouse i know mac fans that got infected
thinking they are inmune to virus
becouse you arent inmune to virus
at all
its just that you are the smaller market
sullen burrow
windows will always be full of open ports. Another thing I hate, on Windows 10, the power consumption for freaking unecessary services and submits on microsoft. Did you read about that? They snitch on literally EVERYTHING you do and search. It's now legitimately on Windows 10 core, there is no way to disable it
cobalt relic
"open ports" lol
sullen burrow
no there aren't. You have to be an idiot to download a malware, add your user password to install it by yourself. Nothing runs on mac without using your password
cobalt relic
Same on Windows
sullen burrow
well, at least, they don't have a dedicated snitch installed on the core.. not yet..
wicked oak
they do
have you tried attaching a traffic meter to the router?
all the OS but linux do that
sullen burrow
actually no, I haven't
wicked oak
it gets them good data
they can use for different things
for example they autosend errors if the OS crashes, to have a log of problems to try to fix
cobalt relic
For the record I hate the way Microsoft tries to force telemetry onto us, but at least they are public about it and you can toggle most of it off.
sullen burrow
they all make their money by selling data... I hate this world. Gathering free info, sell them for gold
cobalt relic
Apple does it too (on iOS)
mighty carbon
were is our brave local VR police?! lol
sullen burrow
hahaha
mighty carbon
did you come here to troll, @sullen burrow ?
cobalt relic
It's not like there is a brand new UE version to try
It's dark and full of regressions
sullen burrow
so back on vr, do you think that keyboard worth editing to use with oculus touch ? I am trying to create this VR keyboard for user input. http://tomofnz.wixsite.com/tomofnz/single-post/2016/12/04/UE4-VR-KEYBOARD-WIDGET-SWITCHER
and would be awesome if someone is interested to make some cash to put it in the marketplace. There is nothing like that
rigid quiver
@eternal inlet I also am hopefully waiting for someone to know of an asymmetric gameplay tutorial.
sullen burrow
i guess @mighty carbon was looking for VR police but only likes to be a part of gossip conversations. I expressed a fact about VR and mac, everyone else was trolling on me, so I guess you got things wrong.
mighty carbon
we have a guy here who isn't mod, but comes down hard on anyone not talking about VR stuff directly... I am surprised he didn't show up for this multipage Apple nonsense ๐
sullen burrow
excuse me? Please scroll up and start this over, you definetely have no idea what you sayin
you guys asked me for my opinion, as a mac user, if it supports VR. Is it that difficult of a concept to understand the nature of this conversation and simply say sorry for your attitude ?
and I repeat myself, oculus rift, officialy does NOT support AMD Radeon Pro 460, but since it plays smoothly any type of game, and yes MAXED OUT, I can say that my experience with VR on a MacBook pro 15" 2016, is fantastic. Done.
and no, don't try to convince me about the opposite. I am not a child fooling around, I came here to share and get education on Unreal Engine. Don't be cocky, simply try to understand.
sullen burrow
right, from official reports. I personally use it and since my personal experience is different, I have to share it, right ?
mighty carbon
This was your first post: "Oculus stubborn decissions not to support an SDK for osx sucks. I still have to go back n forth on bootstrap to work on my VR project
Seriously, reason to return the oculus and get a vive, but I hate vive's motion controllers."
not "hey folks, I was using Rift on my Mac with this kind of hardware and it runs like a charm! "
wicked oak
i see linux oculus much more likely than mac oculus support
some people have gaming pcs on linux
there doesnt exist mac that can run oculus
its still not worth it for them
why bother with the 1%
when you can send resources to the 99%
tired tree
Think you guys are arguing different things here, he feels like it performs well, and to him it likely does, ASTW is going to be kicking in constantly for him so he likely doesn't notice an issue having not experienced it without it.
That being said, of course a rig that meets minimum specs would be far better
for devving, its probably "ok"
or at least..barely functional
mighty carbon
so why then complain about Oculus and their stance with OSX ?
tired tree
because he wishes it was on OSX....why do you complain about people and tools ignoring gearVR so much?
mighty carbon
well, Microsoft doesn't make apps for Linux, so...
granite jacinth
RAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Stop talking about non-VR shit in here
@mighty carbon better?
tired tree
@granite jacinth You don't happen to be the guy that runs the Chicago UE4 group do you?
name sounds familier
mighty carbon
I wonder if they simply stop VR hand/sword from going trough the enemy, while you real hand keeps moving naturally
wicked oak
seems that they do it like in the VR Funhouse
there is no direct connection from hand to controller
the hand actually has physics
and foillows the controller
if you keep moving it, it will just fail to get there
and desync
did that REALLY need a full article?
i see absolutely nothing special there
melee looks nice, but only skeletons in a simple environment
i also see no movement in the videos
tired tree
yeah.,..the sword is just constrained to the hand in that video
wicked oak
wich is a very hard thing to do when doing melee combat
tired tree
you can see it flail around on impact against the hand
wicked oak
the bow looks exactly like in my DGN prototype video
i wonder why they made an article about it
tired tree
because its a common melee complaint and the devs are advertising themselves as fixing it...
wicked oak
but it desyncs
tired tree
they don't exactly have that much to write about
wicked oak
ive done that kind of melee myself
it also has massive issues with movement
and i mean massive
you cant do smooth movement with it
becouse you could make the sword get stuck into things
and then keep moving
also, teleporting would work
tired tree
well yeah, but then you either teleport it or auto drop
wicked oak
but what if you teleport too close to a skeleton?
what if you teleport in a way that the sword ends inside a wall?
thats why im skeptical when i saw that they didnt do movement in the video
wicked oak
sure, but its not that easy
VR melee has a absolutely massive amount of problems
and ive spent looooooots of time trying to get it working well
some systems were better other worse, but all had their downsides
one of the best swords is the raw data one
that one goes through everything
and only hits if velocity > something, with a time limit for the hits
of course, against such a sword, shields are completely useless
tired tree
?
wicked oak
ive also tried physically simulated swords, that bump into things, but that dont attach the hand to it
tired tree
then filter it by type
wicked oak
they had some physics problems, didnt feel as good
another mayor point of a fully physical sword + hand
it lags
tired tree
no, it only lags in blueprint
tired tree
it lags in late update, and time to update the physics thread
at most one update if you manage the late update
wicked oak
no, late update cant do anything with physics
wicked oak
in fact, if you try to attach an object to a late updated motion controller, its physics will be buggy
it wont trigger overlap for example
nor Hit events
well, overlap can trigger, in some cases
tired tree
yeah and i solved that, by not attaching, and manually late updating
wicked oak
you cant manually late update, that thing is done inside the engine in the render thread
mighty carbon
you need a large eccentric motor in the controller so it could knock your arm off when you hit something in VR ๐
tired tree
i don't use blueprint
i have custom controllers, that manage the late update as I want them too
wicked oak
interesting
tired tree
instead of relying on attachto
they also have arrays that anything inside of getting additionally added to late update
wicked oak
and how do you late update without attaching to a motion controller component
tired tree
i inject my lists of additionals into the component gathering step
wicked oak
are you sure it does late update properly?
wicked oak
is there any visible difference if you do a late updated motion controller component with the hand on it?
tired tree
lots of debugging
wicked oak
ah, you made it before motion controller component was a thing?
tired tree
no, right after
wicked oak
interesting
tired tree
its that expansion plugin
on the forums
i initially fixed the ownership problem, and then moved on to a ton of other things
one was that
when the held object is in contact with something I turn off the late update addition, so it doesn't visually clip into geometry
mighty carbon
well, the way I see it, either let sword pass through objects in VR and have it in sync with real hand, or ... nothing else really
wicked oak
what is your game @tired tree ?
tired tree
No game
I just make the plugin
and another plugin, and another one
gotta have a hobby
mighty carbon
@tired tree can you make UE4 plugin for Tango ? ๐
tired tree
i'm curious, does tango's plugin count as a standard tracker?
one guy was using my plugin with tango already, but I don't have one to see how it works
mighty carbon
@tired tree https://github.com/unktomi-g/ProjectTangoPlugin
there is this, but it sounds like it doesn't do much
what I am looking for is object tracking like in Blender https://vimeo.com/33283857 (but real-time of course) and ability to scan room, save reconstructed data and have AI navigate it (so AI can walk on your desk / floor / bed / PC rig / etc. and avoid obstacles and whatnot; look at the device if it's possible at all)
tired tree
yeah it doesn't use the built in motion component system
Source of that plugin is really lack luster as well
doesn't look like it was ever finished
mighty carbon
๐ฆ
tired tree
was updated 4 days ago though
you sure its been dropped?
it has the tracking, and mesh reconstruction
mighty carbon
well, I am certain it was dropped by the original devs
and the person who forked it and updated it for UE 4.14 has no way to contact him/her
and I would have no clue how to work with that plugin to solve the tasks I have in mind (the ones I just described)
tired tree
looks to me like you just use the mesh reconstruction component and the object tracking component
mighty carbon
I see
I guess I gotta experiment and if it doesn't work - write off Tango phablet :/
surreal hearth
Anyone here with a Fove?
mighty carbon
@tired tree btw, do you happen to know how it would work with Tango if stuff still needs to work offscreen when you move camera ? (for example, I'd scan the room, deal with Ai in one spot, then move camera to focus on another area and have AI catch up by having it walk offscreen into the area where camera focused at present)
bah, there is only one Tango device and it has crappy specs ๐ฆ
Gotta wait for https://www.asus.com/us/Phone/ZenFone-AR-ZS571KL/ and hope it's not Verizon locked :/
dusky moon
So tell me that 4.15 fixed the vive's square VR mirror ?! no ?! :/
I believe we get Dynamic GI for VR sooner than that fix
tired tree
@mighty carbon i'm sure you could probably build a map of the enviroment, it is one of the main selling features of project tango. But that plugin from what code I looked at looks like it just snapshots geometry from the point cloud, stitching it together is another matter entirely.
mighty carbon
oh, damn ๐ฆ
misty cloak
Random question - I had a tester report to me that "BTW as a minor annoyance, Steam VR loads every time the game launches" and my game isn't intended to support VR. Is there some flag that might be turned on in UE that would make his software think that? I don't have any VR stuff to test.
mighty carbon
well, I wonder if making Tango plugin more functional falls into your definition of hobby. @tired tree ๐
graceful junco
@misty cloak, just disable the VR plugins for the project. Then steamVR won't start.
graceful junco
Btw, you should go through the list of plugins and disable everything you don't need to make your shipped game as small as possible.
pearl tangle
@mighty carbon im going down to google to do a 2 day training course with the Tango so can probably let you know more details in a couple of weeks
I have had the tango dev kit sitting on my desk for over a year and haven't done anything with it in unreal yet
tired tree
@mighty carbon @pearl tangle Yea, there, bug Zoltan about it :p, I doubt i'll ever have a Tango to test with since I'm not interested in them at this time.
pearl tangle
also @mighty carbon the tango API stuff will handle the room data, dunno if the plugin lets you access it via blueprints or not but it will definitely be there. It is part of the area learning api
mighty carbon
@pearl tangle maybe you could convince Google to get into that UE4 plugin and make it fully functional ? (or roll out their own with full BP support) ๐
mighty carbon
Carmack's critique, if anyone interested https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1919971264904048&id=100006735798590
pearl tangle
Epic actually had finished off the Tango plugin over a year ago, they were waiting on google to approve on their end the whole time
pearl tangle
no idea. I will chat with them about it and see what happens during the training thing. It's 1 day of Unreal and 1 day of Unity. Im also catching up with their head of creative technology on Monday too so might have a better idea then
using the tango is pretty much the same as the hololens with the whole spatialization stuff too so you could always grab the microsoft fork of unreal which has UWP integration and throw in the hololens stuff to it
sturdy coral
Does tango provide a live depth cloud too for moving objects, or only sort of reconstruction of a static scene?
pearl tangle
it does everything in real time
but that chews up a lot of performance to do that so normal way is to use area learning, do a full scan and establish its position and elements in the room and then do things with it. but you can walk into new areas on the fly just don't push things too much. same with the hololens
mighty carbon
I got an idea I'd like to test before moving along with it (not a game), so I'd absolutely love getting working plugin for UE4
pearl tangle
let me know what you are thinking at and I can let you know how the tech can handle it. Ive got tangos and hololenses and currently working on enterprise applications for them but doing the prototyping phase with VR due to the current tech constraints with the AR devices
mighty carbon
more progress with my 3D HUD / inventory bar
(there will be menu option to bring up HUD up automatically upon picking up an item, which is what currently shown; can be turned off)
swiping Touchpad up and down raises/lowers HUD
winged shale
I am the sad... my poor sweet boy was a Gigabyte P35x v4 CF1.. Died while updating the BIOS, just froze up while using GB's shitty software and that was it. No more display.
Anyway I am pretty sure about getting the MSI GS73VR 7RF (GTX 1060, Kaby Lake), anyone have any suggestions (VR-capable, good for dev on the go, light, etc.) or experience with MSI's GS (Ghost Pro/Stealth Pro) lines?
mighty carbon
Asus here
winged shale
which one (there are too damn many to count, which model)
mighty carbon
winged shale
Oh lol I was talking about my laptop
mighty carbon
oh, heh
winged shale
I'm looking for a recommendation on VR laptops. I have a Gigabyte Gaming 7 Z170 in my desktop and I'm quite happy with it
pearl tangle
i have an asus gx700 around here thats got the water cooling dock if you are using it as a desktop
also got an alienware with a 1070 in it and another asus with a 1070 in it. Only came with 8gb ram and shitty hdd but the motherboard can handle pci-e drive and more ram so upped it to 32gb.
also got a zotak magnus 1070 that performs better than all of those for vr
winged shale
are any of those actually mobile or are they just 'portable'
I'm looking at the MSI GS series 17 inch because they're .7 inches thick and weigh 5.3 pounds
I go between home and office frequently and it's a mile walk uphill and up stairs some places
and I'll use it both places
*for VR, that is
and development, and content creation, and etc.
also holy dick butt the GX700
pearl tangle
yeah gx700 not so portable but it comes with a wheely bag hah
if you don't need the display and battery than the magnus zbox is the best performing. but the other asus 1 i have does a decent job, gets thermally throttled a lot faster though and doesn't perform as well as the zbox. im waiting for their water cooled magnus en1080 to get back in stock
just definitely go for a 1070, 1060 gets too little performance
winged shale
Really? Even though it is at 980 GTX level?
I have been working on a 1080 for a while so maybe I've completely forgotten the woes of working on a 970
pearl tangle
yep exactly
970s are really still not great for VR, and if you are going for a machine you can't upgrade then it's worth getting what you need
winged shale
true
pearl tangle
and in a laptop it doesn't come out in reality to actually match a desktop 980 due to the thermal throttling
so on paper it seems fine, in practice there is quite a bit of differenece
winged shale
but I still really like the form factor of the MSI GS73VR, and I haven't seen a laptop that is that portable with a 1070 yet, though it is rumored that the GS73 will be getting a 1070 refresh this month
also I'll be repasting through HIDevolution with their Coollaboratory metal thermal interface
hnnnnnnng
it's a priority that I don't spend too much money, since this is replacing my every-day carry laptop
which died
which really means that I'm buying one device that will serve my mobile purposes
the Magnus boxes are sexy, but expensive, and I need to find a screen when I use one
plus I still have the desktop to work on at home with the 1080
unique notch
Does 4.15 add in key / value arrays? I read that somewhere but can't find anything on it.
sturdy coral
mitch just told me 4.15 might break his way of getting low-latency update and physics at once =/
"BugFix: Fixed an issue where simulated bodies could have their transforms changed during simulations."
unique notch
crap
pearl tangle
yeah look on the blog post it's the MAPS stuff
native cedar
huge fan of rick and morty
I think I've seen every episode at least 3 times
I'd love to see what they do. Accounting's narrative is compelling
steel marlin
hello there, is there any way to know if the hmd is on use (e.g. on the head)?
fresh laurel
@steel marlin - You can have it detect if there is an HMD enabled or pluged in. Not sure if you can detect it on the head of a person.
steel marlin
thx @fresh laurel that's what I think too, according to https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/BlueprintAPI/SteamVR/index.html and https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/BlueprintAPI/Input/HeadMountedDisplay/index.html
fresh laurel
@steel marlin - I am not a vr dev Yet. So I would ask around
steel marlin
me neither ๐ but I need to be for a project ๐ I'm coming from the web (three.js) and openframeworks, so it's the first time I use UE and I like it so far
steel marlin
nope, I saw it, and I felt like I should use unreal the plain way
fresh laurel
Alright
steel marlin
but maybe I'm wrong, I'll check unreal.js again
wicked oak
@winged shale i have one of those ultrahuge laptops with a 1070
its a goddamn beast
and runs VR better than my desktop with a 970
downside is a nonexistant battery life unless you set everything to minimal power
and the fact that its a huuuuge laptop
there is a razer one that has a 1080 in a low profile laptop
its also like 4k dollars
native cedar
how I feel about vr laptops is 1060 is absolute winner here
meets the minimum specs on a low consume piece
I've seen vr laptops go as low as 1300 euros with that thing.
wicked oak
definitely
1060 laptop is a great thing
and it also runs VR
kind of the absolute limit, but it does run it
dusky moon
Guys is there any good source to know more about MSAA+Forward rendere's workflow ?! I just switched my VR project to it and I totally can't stop using it! mostly because of Text readibility ... but there should be some workarounds to avoid Aliasing with MSAA ?!
pearl tangle
the asus 1 that I have with a 1070 in it is a decent size. its a 15" 1 too
was decently cheap too because the other specs in it were shit for ram and HDD but it's the same motherboard as the 1 that costs an extra grand and you just swap them out
the asus GX700 was $6000 SGD when I got it, like $4500 usd
steel marlin
hello there again
I read this:
VREvent_TrackedDeviceUserInteractionEnded - The user hasn't triggered the proximity sensor in long enough that the system believes the HMD is no longer being worn. The timeout here is currently 10 seconds, but this could change.
so is there a way to catch the VREvent_TrackedDeviceUserInteractionEnded event in a blueprint?
tired tree
@steel marlin Those events are already in use by SteamVRHMD and the VREditor works with them. But they aren't open to blueprint. You can make a blueprint node that calls GEngine->HMDDevice->GetHMDWornState(), which is what I will be adding now that you made me think about it. ๐
steel marlin
@tired tree โค
mighty carbon
Inside HMD the bar is literally barely fit between the sides of the view, but on the video it has a lot of space.
what do you think ?
clever sky
@wicked oak I ended up getting an Asus Rog with a 1070. It's pretty swank. But the battery is really lol. I played enter the gungeon for about 30 minutes before realizing it was off power. It had 30 mins left on battery when I checked.
But then, it's not a real laptop so much as it is a conveniently portable VR machine.
mighty carbon
bring a car battery and a power converter with you ๐
clever sky
I wonder how long the car battery would last.
mighty carbon
well, you can run a small fridge for a few hours from car battery. I suspect you can at least get a few hours from it running laptop ๐
depends on the battery too
but, if we are talking about trade shows, wouldn't they have a power outlet ?
clever sky
Yes.
Well, you'd expect, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a show.
I mean, I like the idea of having a car battery on emergency for VR anywhere gaming.
But I'm hard pressed to figure out a practical reason for it ๐
Go on a road trip but still have a hankering for high end VR.
mighty carbon
yeah.. and if you have Tesla, you shouldn't worry about power ๐
mighty carbon
you can use it to power an entire house
clever sky
But does it actually have the interface to charge/run normal outlet devices easily/safely
mighty carbon
(I don't know if that option made it out of experimental, speaking in UE lingo ๐ )
Any car has 12V power outlet. Just plug power converter to it and you have 110V (or whatever common voltage your country has) outlet
clever sky
A cursory google search seems to say, no dice.
Fair enough. I wonder if that outlet will allow for sufficient power draw for a gaming laptop
tired tree
car batteries can power a laptop for a long ass time
you would want deep cycle though likely
clever sky
why's that?
tired tree
handles long term large discharge way better
standard starter batteries are intended for temporary bursts.
clever sky
Ah ok.
tired tree
any time you want to add additional electrical capacity to a car you generally get a deep cycle
radio / electronics / w/e
clever sky
Handy to know ๐ Cheers.
mighty carbon
tired tree
I used to have that exact battery in my car enthusiast youth, its great. Its a C20 66 Amp Hour battery, so it was testing fully discharged over 20 hours at 66 amps. 12v to 120v at 5 amps (max for gaming PC usually, so will be less than this) is around 55 amp load. So the battery "should" last more than 10 hours to half charge (you don't want to take them below 45% if you can help it to prolong their life).
mighty carbon
This is how to promote VR games: http://uploadvr.com/get-taste-ubisofts-honor-vr-360-trailer/
(I know the game isn't VR, but 360 deg. video is a must for VR games)
hard light
why is 360 degree video a must for VR games?
It's not like players have a 360 degree field of view
wicked oak
@clever sky you can power a home with a Tesla
its some of the features they have talked about
glacial cedar
because you can use a VR headset for the commercial, get a taste of the experience before having the product
wicked oak
i dont know if its online or not
but the idea is to use the car to grab energy overnight, and then use it on daytime
becouse that way, you get the energy for cheaper if you have those kind of energy plans
pretty sure that with the amount of energy a Tesla can hold, you can power a VR ready laptop for quite a while
maybe a whole day?
sturdy coral
mitch's UE4 VR cookbook is out: https://www.amazon.com/Unreal-Engine-VR-Cookbook-Developing/dp/0134649176
wintry escarp
360degree is a waste of bandwidth, I don't care whats behind me
just do the 180 in front
sharp swan
cool Mitch wrote a book !
restive blade
lol.. why do 3D / programing books always have those super boring covers hehe... suppose it makes them easy to spot.... bland!
lusty ledge
anyone know if the new Force Feedback Component attenuates left and right controllers separately?
i haven't gotten home to try it on my vive but my hopes are not up
digital marlin
360 is all about context IMO
glossy agate
@lusty ledge if you expand the node with the dropdown button it should have checkboxes to let it know which controller to affect.
The one I use is the dynamic force feedback that has those options.
fresh laurel
@sturdy coral That is awesome. Going to pick it up when i can
lusty ledge
@glossy agate right - but what if I had a campfire that emits haptics depending on which hand is actually near or inside it?
Is the attenuation based on the position of each Motion Controller Component?
Or are they both linked to a single Character?
Guess I'll find out when I get home
glossy agate
Its just a bool for the small and large servos in the controller, so you can use that instead of the checkboxes
Here is the node so you have an idea of what you can do https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/BlueprintAPI/Game/Feedback/PlayDynamicForceFeedback/index.html
lusty ledge
yeah, i've seen that... it's not really built for VR lol
it works but you still have to do a whole bunch of stuff manually
i was kind of hoping the new force feedback component would alleviate some of that. but if it attenuates based on the position of a character's "force listener" (e.g. a camera) as opposed to a listener on each of that character's hands, then it's not going to be very useful for hi-fi haptics
pearl tangle
yay I managed to get accepted to get 1 vive tracker
not quite the 4 that I was hoping for but still better than nothing! ๐
sturdy coral
Nice, I'm waiting to hear on one
I've got a couple old original dev kit controllers that have dongles that I can use wirelessly, but I wanted the camera mount for some mixed reality stuff
real needle
@pearl tangle Nice, grats
Yeah I was hoping for a couple as well, but it seems like they're producing a very limited amount so getting 1 should make you happy :b
restive blade
yeah... a tad hard to get currently ๐
pearl tangle
Only 2300 devs applied apparently and they have 1000 of them
I got straight on the phone with HTC to make sure I could at least get 1 because I want it for a project that's happening end of March so couldn't really wait
real needle
We developed one of the showcase apps for it so should see one soon ๐ Only had my hands on one for a couple hours
pearl tangle
I have a bunch of the controller's around that works with the wifi dongle but still better to have these. I'm surprised they didn't just let you have 1 since the gun controller is exactly what you need
real needle
They needed all of them for CES afaik
pearl tangle
yeah isn't that where you were showing it?
real needle
Yup, but we don't make the hardware. I believe hardware folks got it
Our rifle still works with a controller
pearl tangle
how are those guys doing with their new gun on indiegogo anyways? I assume they changed it around so that all the controls go via the tracker API instead of their own?
real needle
That's a different gun
They cancelled the campaign
I don't think they knew about the tracker (and neither did we when they launched)
pearl tangle
ah, were they not getting much traction on it or just wanted to do a new 1 once they knew about the trackers?
heavy tiger
What is the best way to do UI in VR? A widget that renders to a texture?
real needle
@pearl tangle You made me write an email, because I actually don't know atm
@heavy tiger It depends, if you can make it 3d, make it 3d! If not, then 3dwidget components are great
If I were making a game with planets then I'd love for my minimap to be a holographics display of the planet for example