virtual-reality

[spring coral]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/500360/ this?

[wicked oak]

yes

[spring coral]

opps sorry looked at commercial license

my bad

[mighty carbon]

I mean, your game @spring coral

not vblanco's game

[wicked oak]

btw, this went out of the blue

literally ZERO marketing

i wanted to see how would it go

40k downloads

but then when i released DWVR, its when everyone and their mother was doing VR games

[spring coral]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/544130/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSnAiuZTKWc

[wicked oak]

well, thats both meme game and youtuber bait

[mighty carbon]

ha, yeah.. whatever

[wicked oak]

of course it gets popular lol

[mighty carbon]

exactly

[wicked oak]

looks quite well done

[spring coral]

Well it was our first game and was just a test to get our name out there

[mighty carbon]

so, why did you make it political ?

I bet because, well, that's what would sell and get streamed, right ?

[spring coral]

Cuz there were other regular whack a mole games out their

so we just put our twist on it

[wicked oak]

not a bad idea at all to do that kind of bait

[mighty carbon]

well, it's free, but you get the point

[wicked oak]

i just dont have the proper ideas to do good youtuber bait

[spring coral]

we are currently working on two more serious games

and even got a contract to build a vr application for construction

and to put it into perspective we started in sept

It is myself and eight other random reddit users

btw non of us are getting paid

we are doing this for fun and since we have a passion for VR

[mighty carbon]

I think dorky games need to be shoved into a page that never gets featured and users would have to go and dig it themselves

[wicked oak]

neither am i

in fact, im spending my money on freelancers and hardware and stuff

[mighty carbon]

and normal games need to be treated as first class citizens

[wicked oak]

nah, not really

thats going too far

[mighty carbon]

then the problem of saturation will be solved, at least partially

[spring coral]

Our game was never on the front page just on recently released

if you guys are curious our discord server https://discord.gg/T9TdbEy

[wicked oak]

but for example, your game looks at least polished

better than a good chunk of the currently vr games releasing on steam

[mighty carbon]

look at Oculus store on Gear VR

there is normal release and early access that are featured, and there is Gallery

[wicked oak]

like in oculus PC

normal release are the full games, the top tier

early access are games that are top tier, but unfinished content-wise

gallery is both "actual" early access, and some games that have performance issues

[mighty carbon]

if you get lucky and get on normal release or early access, you get a big boost in visibility. If you get on Gallery, you still can be seen. However it doesn't mess with people who has higher product value project.

[spring coral]

vblanco was looking at your DWVR trailer it is just a video of you playing the game? Even with little to no training you could have made it much better

[tawdry dragon]

If you break down what Keepitsane is doing, you would see a very good business strategy. You start out with a low risk/low reward project that enables you to test your team and get some experience with publishing. It might only earn you reputation, but atleast thats better. Then you start focusing on doing smaller projects with a bit higher risk(complexity) and a bit higher reward(your game costs $5-15) and you work up your way from there

[wicked oak]

thats why i did VRMultigames

and DWVR is a remake that we did in 2 months

[spring coral]

well i dont know that DWVR is your game

[wicked oak]

DWVR budget as been 800 dollars

[spring coral]

why not put your logo in the trailer

[wicked oak]

people isnt that interested on that logo, i wanted to cut into gameplay footage ASAP

[spring coral]

well there is your issue

[tawdry dragon]

Then you're missing out on brand recognition

[spring coral]

you put the unreal logo but you couldn't find enough time to put your logo in it?

and nobody wants to see just straight gameplay that is what youtube is for

[wicked oak]

thats why im saying that i have budget for a good trailer, i just dont know how to hire for it

[spring coral]

make the trailer exciting more cinematic

[wicked oak]

ive put a couple announcements, but i didnt like the people that applied

[spring coral]

you dont need to hire anyone

[wicked oak]

i have 0 idea of trailer making

[spring coral]

watch a few trailers of other popular indie games and try to replicate their success

trust me if a myself a 17 year old can do it so can you

[tawdry dragon]

Vblanco, next time you're doing some trailer work, I wouldnt mind giving you some feedback/helping out

[spring coral]

both of you guys who are actually have experience in this field

[wicked oak]

btw, that is the best video i could do

[spring coral]

try harder

screenshots look amazing btw

[wicked oak]

that is something i can do a lot better

they are seriously fake

but they are all ingame graphics on ingame models

just posed and that kind of thing

[spring coral]

you guys are complaining how hard it is with PR yet yall are barely trying

[tawdry dragon]

Bullshots are a good part of marketing 😃

[spring coral]

YOu have a great game just need to show it off better

[tawdry dragon]

They give it interest, as long as you also include in-game footage so people dont feel cheated

[spring coral]

first impressions are everything

[wicked oak]

yes. If you know someone that knows how to edit cool trailers, point him to me

i have tons of footage recorded, at high quality. Its just editing them together

[spring coral]

like i said make a post on reddit.com/r/slavelabour

[tawdry dragon]

I actually offered my help half a page up 😉

[wicked oak]

what stuff have you done?

[tawdry dragon]

https://vimeo.com/107047871 heres my 3 year old reel, at my old company

[mighty carbon]

do you guys have jobs/families ? Where do you get times to work on the game and do PR ? (unless you work in teams where you have other folks making the game)

[spring coral]

i think you just found your best option 😃

[tawdry dragon]

Some of my new stuff includes https://vimeo.com/190619710 https://vimeo.com/159477090 https://vimeo.com/146041704

[spring coral]

I have school everyday and regular chores and stuff

[tawdry dragon]

https://vimeo.com/145956179 https://vimeo.com/144549374 to name a few

[spring coral]

but like i said where there is a will there is a way

if you truely care about it you will find a way to do it

[mighty carbon]

yeah, school isn't a day job / having family

[tawdry dragon]

I have full time job in marketing, but we are also doing some corporate VR

[wicked oak]

how neat

[mighty carbon]

when I was in school, I wish I did game dev - had fuck load of more time than I do now

[spring coral]

Well the other members on the Subreality Studios team are all adults with day jobs

yet they still find time to pitch in and help out the best they can

[mighty carbon]

having team helps a ton (assuming they as dedicated as you are)

I am solo dev

so...

[spring coral]

Yes they are all amazing and are a pleasure to work with

why not find someone that has a simliar passion to work with?

[mighty carbon]

it seems impossible nowadays 😦

[spring coral]

like i said the other members are not being paid yet they still help and we all work together

[wicked oak]

im already doing pretty much everything

my tries to get artist to join me have failed. im going to directly pay salary

[spring coral]

How about @mighty carbon and @wicked oak partner up

[wicked oak]

already talked

[mighty carbon]

well, for once I need to have something solid to show for, and currently I am working on the project / learning UE4.. Since it's a VR thing, non-VR games I worked on in the past (non-UDL/non-UE3) don't seem to count

we could, but there are some differences in the way we look at business 😉

[spring coral]

you have to be flexible

[mighty carbon]

to a point

[wicked oak]

ive tried going to art/gamedev schools

talking with people, given that i have a solid track record given the lack of resources

"but im too busy"

and arent interested

[spring coral]

@tawdry dragon the videos look amazing! If we ever need a trailer ill keep you in mind

[mighty carbon]

I was flexible with one of my old projects (instead of being lead on design I gave into programmer's riot about him designing the game, since I was already a lead on our previous project) - project failed and whole my business sort of went downhill from that

[spring coral]

or more rathen when we need a trailer

[wicked oak]

@tawdry dragon you up for freelance job next week?

[spring coral]

I am not saying give up lead when you have a vision go all out on that, but be open to ideas

[mighty carbon]

so, from my experience, while it's important to let team to pitch in creatively, it's critical to stay lead on design / direction.

oh yeah, I down for that

[wicked oak]

oh, im open for ideas for the next game after DWVR is finished in 1-2 months. but i mean people who plain dont want to team up

they only team up with others on their university

[spring coral]

try making a post on reddit that is what i did

[mighty carbon]

I guess when I have something more solid gameplay wise, I'll show it on UE4 forums and maybe find someone.

[tawdry dragon]

@wicked oak depeding on the comming weeks goes with our VR project, I might have to time to help you out

[mighty carbon]

Reddit as /r/unrealengine ?

[wicked oak]

do you have any hype trailer or know how to make one?

the ones you have been shown are all product design

[spring coral]

redidt as /r/vive

[mighty carbon]

I don't do Vive

[wicked oak]

already tried r/vive

[tawdry dragon]

we have been doing one, but I cant show you 😦 NDA

[wicked oak]

alright

[mighty carbon]

I only have Gear VR

[wicked oak]

i want my next game to be PSVR

[tawdry dragon]

All the money is in corporate, so that is what we are doing. But we are slowly working on doing more B2C stuff 😃

[wicked oak]

pc version sure, but the real point being PSVR

[mighty carbon]

(plus if Zeni fails with their injunction, I'll get Oculus instead of Vive)

[spring coral]

why do you think the oculus is better?

[mighty carbon]

because it is

[wicked oak]

better screen, better lens, more confortable, lighter. And they support indies

[mighty carbon]

plus there is Oculus Store

[wicked oak]

Vive has its tracking

wich is a lot better

and honestly, wireless vive looks goddamn awesome

[spring coral]

trust me vive is the way to go

[wicked oak]

Vive "1.5" wireless, new headstrap, new controllers

goddamn that looks to be awesome

[mighty carbon]

software is better on Oculus (ATW, ASW, etc.)

[wicked oak]

Touch is also absolute greatness

[mighty carbon]

says who @spring coral ?!

[wicked oak]

too bad the camera tracking is buggy

[spring coral]

literal everyone lol

just look up some of the comparisons

[mighty carbon]

Vive is good for enterprise stuff, for something where you need roomscale to work flawlessly

[wicked oak]

Vive only wins in the tracking department

[mighty carbon]

Rift has better consumer market penetration

[wicked oak]

not really

more vives sold

[spring coral]

rift has a smaller market by almost half

[wicked oak]

the way i see it, is that Oculus gives a damn

vive doesnt

becouse Oculus is a VR company

[mighty carbon]

vblanco has all 3 systems and he did a good comparison write up. I trust him.

[wicked oak]

Vive is a phone company, with Steam that only cares about PC gaming

market penetration is PSVR BY FAR

[spring coral]

trust me valve + HTC care they love this

[wicked oak]

and its also the one with the least competition by far

[mighty carbon]

well, we don't know yet how well sony will support PSVR

[spring coral]

well considering he said Vive is a phone company i dont know how much i trust him lol

[wicked oak]

HTC is known for their phones.

[mighty carbon]

you sound like blind Vive fanboy, @spring coral :/

[spring coral]

yes but vive is not a company lol

[wicked oak]

well, "vive is FROM a phone company"

[spring coral]

there you go lol

well you guys seem to be in your own little bubble and dont feel like arguing so yah you are right the Rift is much better than the vive

you should def buy the rift

[mighty carbon]

Oculus has best scientists, wealth and power of Facebook. It will be the leading VR company and leading VR platform in a long run.

[wicked oak]

it does have much worse tracking tho

[spring coral]

It has been a pleasure talking with you guys

[wicked oak]

and vive coming with the wireles

[mighty carbon]

they will fix tracking

[wicked oak]

to a point

[mighty carbon]

they aim for long term success

[wicked oak]

there is only so much you can do with cameras

and the wireless vive can be a absolute success

[mighty carbon]

not to throw something on the market today and get forgotten tomorrow

[wicked oak]

i think you cant do wireless oculus that easily. Oculus leds have to flicker and be on sync with the cameras

[spring coral]

their roomscale tech came out almost a year have the vive already had roomscale and it was already broken and you expect them to fix it

[mighty carbon]

you know that next version will have inside out tracking

so, you wouldn't need anything but HMD and PC

[spring coral]

oh so you have to spend more money

[mighty carbon]

(or nothing at all, since they work on stand alone HMD too)

[wicked oak]

you still have to track the hands somehow

[spring coral]

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about

[mighty carbon]

I don't have money to spend. That's why I have GEar VR and nothing else

[spring coral]

and you call me a fanboy

[mighty carbon]

I might be skipping this gen of VR or I might get Rift

(if Oculus survives that ordeal with Zeni)

[spring coral]

vblanco please dont tell me you support this guy

[mighty carbon]

I will only get Vive if there is nothing else on the market

[wicked oak]

i think oculus is better if you dont play to do big roomscale

if you do plan for big roomscale, get a vive

on smaller spaces, the oculus is better

as it wont get those tracking problems

i use an oculus to dev in fact

[mighty carbon]

and only V2, since I don't like for this Vive is bulky and wands suck compare to Touch

[wicked oak]

the moment you are going to have a big space, Vive all the way

[mighty carbon]

so, if I have no money to buy Vive and I only have Gear VR it makes me Oculus fanboy ?

[spring coral]

motorsep this is kinda of a random question but can i see some of the game you have made?

[wicked oak]

Steel Storm

[spring coral]

this http://store.steampowered.com/app/251790/ ?

[mighty carbon]

no

[wicked oak]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/96200/

[mighty carbon]

Another indie I know wanted to make a spin-off - he licensed my IP and didn't deliver

[spring coral]

so you didnt make this game?

[mighty carbon]

which kinda sucks for me, but oh well

which one @spring coral ?

AMMO ?

[spring coral]

Steel STrom Buring Retrubution

[mighty carbon]

yeah, I did

with another guy (programmer)

I did design, all art, some levels, etc.

AMMO is what I didn't do.. I licensed art / IP to another dev

[spring coral]

is this the game you last made?

you were literally arguing with me for the past 30 mins when you literally have no idea how to make a proper game are you serious

[mighty carbon]

Tomes of Mephistopheles and Phaeton (Steel Storm 2 originally) were my last two attempts

lol, that's your opinion @spring coral I wouldn't call that Trump game a game.

[spring coral]

You have been shitting on how valve has made it hard for indie devs, well you have to make a decent game first and not do shaddy stuff

just read one of the reivews

[mighty carbon]

yeah

take war to the troll

in a hindsight it was a mistake, but hey, I am wasn't going to take shit from anyone

I did what I thought was right, but fighting trolls is no use

despite that setback the game did really well financially

[spring coral]

well they gave you the rating for a specific reason not because they hate you personally or something

[mighty carbon]

specific reason?

[spring coral]

because the game was bad

[mighty carbon]

people came to forums and said "you game is shit because your game doesn't look like game X"

to each his own.. Your game looks like shit to me.

[wicked oak]

chill

[spring coral]

Well thanks

[mighty carbon]

so, you come here, tell me and vblanco we don't know how to make games

[spring coral]

Just trying to help you guys since you are literally complain about an issue that is on your part

vblanco is all good just needs to do PR a little better

[mighty carbon]

and what do you have to show for? Some crappy click bait "game" ?

what was your role in the production of that so called "game" ?

[spring coral]

I am the CEO of the company and programmer

[mighty carbon]

like I said, my game did well financially, so I don't care what you say

real all reviews if you wish - bunch of people love Steel Storm

[wicked oak]

keep it civil

[mighty carbon]

and bunch of people don't like it

[spring coral]

And when i was taking about reviews i was specifcally talking about the critic reveiws

[mighty carbon]

can't have everyone like a product

[spring coral]

I completely understand

[mighty carbon]

http://store.steampowered.com/curators/curatorsreviewing/?appid=96200

there, curators' reviews

[spring coral]

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/steel-storm-burning-retribution?ftag=MCD-06-10aaa1f

[mighty carbon]

This guy http://steamcommunity.com/groups/SorenJohnson recommended my game

and his opinion is far more valuable to me than some dipshit that sided with trolls

[spring coral]

lol did you give yourelf a 9 out of 10

I am taking about teh Everyeye.it, PC Gamer, MEGamers, and Eurogamer review

not the community

[mighty carbon]

Do presidents of countries vote for themselves? Yes, they do.. So why shouldn't I vote for my own game ?

well, if PC Gamer has a dick like yourself reviewing my game, why should I care ?

[wicked oak]

now, our games wont even be reviewed by them

even if they are way better

[mighty carbon]

I don't get logic behind @spring coral thinking.. One of the greatest game developers praised my game, but that doesn't matter. What matters is what PC Gamer said. Seriously?!

[spring coral]

Congrats

[mighty carbon]

It's like Eurogamer thumbing down that Trump game, and then someone with name and reputation (Tim Sweeney for example) in the game dev community saying the game is good and writing positively about it.

Whose opinion will be important ?

by your logic Eurogamer of course

[wicked oak]

eurogamer becouse they have more traffic

[mighty carbon]

when was the last time you read anything from Eurogamer ?

I haven't read any reviews or watched videos on youtube for years

RPS is the only place I read stuff from sometimes, for leisure

[spring coral]

I havent played your game so maybe it is a hidden gem, so I apologize for coming on to strong

[mighty carbon]

nah, don't bother

[wicked oak]

its a cool game given that it was only him + a programmer

[mighty carbon]

I don't care either way

[wicked oak]

remember this was on Quake engine

unity wasnt there, nor did even UDK i think

[spring coral]

how about this at the very least did you take some of the criticism to heart and fix the issue people had with the game?

you said the game did finacial well so did you atleast support the players that bought your game?

[wicked oak]

i still support Deathwave and it doesnt even have 700 dollars in profits

[mighty carbon]

@spring coral if you had Steel Storm (or bothered to check updates), you would have seen that the last update was in 2015 with almost all issues fixed

[spring coral]

yeah was just curious and was just asking

[mighty carbon]

and the game was released in 2011

with 2 DLCs and free maps/mission following along

[spring coral]

because often times if you fix the issues sometime players feel inclined to update their review

was just curious not doubting or putting blame on you

[wicked oak]

ahahahahahah

not at all

[mighty carbon]

there are things that unfixable, and that's why I no longer mess with open source engines and began learning UE4

lol, no, they don't

[wicked oak]

this is fixed, and was a very obscure bug

i think he was playing on a nonspec machine

[mighty carbon]

people who aren't dicks don't even downvote or write bad reviews

I, personally, never write bad reviews or thumb down games

[wicked oak]

and gems like this

[mighty carbon]

especially indie games

[wicked oak]

both of them on a free game btw

[mighty carbon]

I only thumb down if something obviously scam or trash

[spring coral]

ah okay wasnt aware of that

so what games are you working on now?

steel storm 2 or not any more

[mighty carbon]

Next Big Thing 😛

j/k

[spring coral]

no steel storm 2 i am guessing

[wicked oak]

im completing DWVR for full and PSVR release. Its already playable on ps4, but it wont fly through the certification

making it a better game all around

also thinking on the next game

[mighty carbon]

@spring coral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofzku7GZ0_w (not my video, but my game)

and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL83EF655802BAA9F5 (no longer in development, but I released engine on github, and tools and some source assets)

I plan to revamp Tomes for VR, but not right now

[spring coral]

Nice!

It has been nice talking with you guys! Talk with you later @mighty carbon @wicked oak @tawdry dragon

[uneven moon]

For some reason all of the mesh in my scene is black even with lights

Any ideas?

There are floors, walls and ceilings in this scene

One mesh (the tree and grass below it) are self-illuminated so they do show up

The reflections on the floor (due to planar reflection) also show up

But none of the mesh

[glossy agate]

@wicked oak Do you think it was a promotion issue with DWVR sales, or is the market just that small?

[wicked oak]

promotion

he is completely right above with the shitty trailer part

game images and screnshots are good

trailer isnt

but now i have no traffic

a thing ill do is to release friday at last hour

when i get out of EA

that way it stays on the recently released list for the weekend

[glossy agate]

Here is my latest gameplay of my game. Im just making it super arcade geared towards youtubers to hopefully help me get traffic at release. Still super early dev, but this is the second game mode. https://youtu.be/3atDNzEgqaE

[wicked oak]

tribes?

looks reaaaaaally nauseating

[glossy agate]

Yeah I need to test on more people. So far nobody has gotten sick. I did feel a little sick testing today but it may have just been hang over haha.

My test group is only like 5 people, but they are all VR noobs, and my brother gets sick on roller coasters so Im making sure it works for people like him.

Whats tribes?

[granite jacinth]

Your game

Pretty much Tribes (pick any of them, Ascend was the latest one) VR

[mighty carbon]

There is Tribes VR ?!

[glossy agate]

Yeah I just looked it up, does have similar mechanics.

I didn't see a VR version though

[wicked oak]

i actually made a prototype of that a couple days ago

on my version, you were skating with body movement

and could shoot 2 ways, with 2 guns

like in DWVR XD

but couldnt get the leaning controls well

[mighty carbon]

https://youtu.be/iPTQtY4Duk8?t=2m25s

[glossy agate]

My other game mode has 2 guns. The one in this video the rocket arm has a throttle like a boat so when you tilt the controller forward you go faster and just point the engine where you want to go.

[wicked oak]

cool

[glossy agate]

Can I get that on Vive? Looks like it may be a DK2 demo only. Ill have to look at reviews and see if people got sick in it.

[granite jacinth]

@glossy agate Always do market research

No point in wasting time

[glossy agate]

Yeah, you think I should pursue it more from what you have seen? I have just been posting around online to see if people seem into it.

[granite jacinth]

I don't know, I have never done the research

It's up to you to ultimately decide that course of action after doing the research

You've had some playtesting, some are getting sick...you said you yourself got sick...

[glossy agate]

Yeah Ill kick it around a bit more. We have a local VR meetup so Ill get a demo set up to try on them.

[wicked oak]

the locomotion squad would love it tho

the raging fanboys that ask everyone for traditional locomotion

and spammed all vr reddits when arizona sunshine caved to their demands

might be a factor that makes your game more popular becouse its more recognized

[glossy agate]

Thats why I made it. It was what I imagined with VR to be like. Like those dreams where you can leap over building ect haha. Then I couldn't find any for sale so I made it myself

[wicked oak]

im slightly done with this guys

if the game is fun, those will push it to people like they did with Onward

[glossy agate]

Thats what Im hoping for. If I can get people on board with it I can go ahead with a rocket league type sports multiplayer! Would be dope. Smack a ball around with bats at high speed.

You guys using just update text with a text component for stuff like amo/points, or are you using the widget components? Im using widget component but it gives me problems trying to push updates sometimes.

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak is that for your game?

(the review)

[wicked oak]

yes

second english review i have

[mighty carbon]

modern gamers do not respect developers' vision 😦

[wicked oak]

its constant

and the thing is that if i added it wouldnt get me many more sales

its not a medium-big game, so no one but the few rabid guys would give a fuck

[mighty carbon]

it's like buying ice cream, and wanting bacon inside o.O Only few people would like that.

[glossy agate]

All your reviews look pretty good when I looked it up. Ave playtime of about an hour. How long is the campaign?

[tawdry dragon]

Working on a fun little idea that syncs my VR avatar inside UE4 to a 3DS Max viewport and then 3DS Max syncs back basic object creations(think cubes, spheres) for quick iteration of level design directly inside your DCP

also a little fun excercise in sockets

[wicked oak]

it has no campaign, thats why the average playtime is short

there is easy/mid/hard levels, with no unlocks

and the 2 challenges for shooting gallery and drone assault that have global scoreboards

[glossy agate]

Nice, Well I hope you can get FP on the marketplace again, it looks cool so hopefully you can pull some Raw Data fans. Ill go grab a copy.

[wicked oak]

what im doing right now is polishing the general game. Im recoding a bunch of systems

today i remade the spell system completely. Now ill be able to have switchable spells, and you will be able to select from a bunch of them

i also made new spells

last week i worked on projectiles to make them waaay more performant

thats why if you look at the steam updates, last ones were performance bugs ones

[mighty carbon]

I think my Inventory system is mostly done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLB6eJeIYKY

just need to add UI and test. Probably will have to extend it for AI.

[pearl tangle]

you do all that with the touchpad on the side of the headset or are you making it controller only? I thought you were getting close to releasing?

[clever sky]

Need this in VR games:
http://www.roadtovr.com/ikinema-project-orion-shows-impressive-motion-capture-just-6-htc-vive-trackers/

This:
http://www.woojer.com/

Should really come with a vive puck 😃

In fact, I'm going to mount one to it myself when I get mine...

[spring coral]

Zaptruder I have heard that name before

Freedom locomotion demo? @clever sky

[clever sky]

@spring coral yep

[mighty carbon]

@pearl tangle both

[pearl tangle]

@clever sky $30k a year for their license... got all the paperwork here already if you want it hah

[clever sky]

@pearl tangle Dayummmm. Fuck that 😛 just make my own poor facsimile of it.

[pearl tangle]

hah yeah. although actually you may be able to get their indie version but once you hit certain revenue levels you no longer qualify

[granite jacinth]

Perception Neuron, `nuff said

[clever sky]

@granite jacinth no.

[granite jacinth]

@clever sky yes.

[pearl tangle]

which really doesn't work well for me since I might maybe use it for 1 project in a year and I only have a small team working on VR, but my company is like 1200 people and does millions in revenue but i don't see that kind of money

[granite jacinth]

Aye

Same with the pucks though

[pearl tangle]

@granite jacinth it's a bit tough to get people to strap into a full body outfit for events and whatnot

[clever sky]

That's just a low-cost mo cap suit.

[granite jacinth]

All these externals are awesome

But they won't be mainstream

in an already nichestream

?

PN is not just for mocap

I can do full body pawn in VR

I mean, like @pearl tangle said, not very viable solution for $$$

[pearl tangle]

yeah it's good fun thats for sure

[clever sky]

On the other hand, getting 5+HMD tracking for games is not beyond feasible - it'll just be rare

[granite jacinth]

Nah

It'll be in the same boat as PN

[pearl tangle]

although the hand trackers on the glove are pretty shitty and annoying to play a game with

[granite jacinth]

Just a difference in price

[pearl tangle]

yeah I don't imagine many non devs are going to go out and spend another $1000 on sensors

[granite jacinth]

Right

[pearl tangle]

especially when 1/1000 games does anything with em

[clever sky]

And ease of setup and use and flexibility of components.

[granite jacinth]

I don't know

[clever sky]

The pucks can be used on other things.

[granite jacinth]

There's a lot of awesome stuff out there

[clever sky]

And strapping on a vest and a couple of shoes is pretty easy.

[granite jacinth]

But unless it's packaged in with Vives, probably won't get used

Same as any other console

[clever sky]

Obviously you can't build a game specifically for it.

[granite jacinth]

Except console stuff is usually much cheaper

Only "BIG" console thing that everyone bought was Rockband

[pearl tangle]

that would be pretty decent if they release a "puck pack". 2 pucks + 2 accessories + 5 games for $250 or something would be pretty good

[granite jacinth]

Or Guitar Hero

[clever sky]

But I can see social VR (and a few other titles) providing support.

[granite jacinth]

But those came with the game

[clever sky]

@pearl tangle Yeah, that'd be a pretty nice play.

[granite jacinth]

Right, if they want the pucks to sell

[clever sky]

Cloudhead games got pretty solid tracking from 4+HMD

[granite jacinth]

They will need to make them cheap and/or worth the buy

[clever sky]

I think the pucks will see reasonable support.

The cost/value proposition is there for users and developers.

[granite jacinth]

ONly because it's Vive-first stuff

[pearl tangle]

I think IK will be a near enough solution for majority of stuff

[granite jacinth]

But, still, if they don't start bundling these with their systems, it won't do that well imho

[pearl tangle]

there is the kaiju game 1 where he had the controllers on his feet and so you have disembodied hands and feet with that. simple enough and makes the gameplay way more immersive

[clever sky]

And if you can expect users to have one or two pucks around, then you can also throw in IK stuff for fun.

[granite jacinth]

But you can't expect them to

[pearl tangle]

also FYI @real needle has confirmed that the code I put up on here lets you use 4 controllers wirelessly with the steam controller dongle

[granite jacinth]

So, it's all about time/effort

[clever sky]

Anyway, gotta head out. chat later

[granite jacinth]

But most gamers don't have two vives

or just 2 extra controllers 😉

But yeah, if the pucks are priced to sell and they start to bundle at least two in their vives from now on, I can see some good adoption rates

If VR is to really do better in the next few years, stuff needs to get bundled from the start

[pearl tangle]

yeah they need to partner with the peripheral manufacturers to get some off the ground or they will just end up like shitty wii adapters

[real needle]

If anyone wants to try more than two controllers, the trick is to remove all usb devices, plug 1 dongle in at a time and pair them first, before you pair the second two for the vive receivers

Documentation on pairing is a bit outdated since the vive didn't have receivers built in at the time

[pearl tangle]

ok 2 new projects signed off. 1 HoloLens too! also got a tango potential and opportunity to go and do photogrammetry in patagonia for a job! Who wants to move to Singapore to help out, gotta post up another job ad this week

[south blade]

im going to go through this video tutorial right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLWV866RDvo

my goal is to get my ue4 project running on this random phone vr i have

is there a better way?

the phone vr i have is similar to google cardboard

[stable shadow]

Hello guys, I want to ask a question to see which way is better for materials for my main actors (Weapons) in VR project.
1- Using material function library to create shader for metal, glass, copper and etc and then blending them from a single texture file different rgb channels map, like the Shooter Game ?
2- Use another app like substance and export final textures and just drop them as final node in material ?

platform is PC

[clever sky]

Depends on your work flow. Generally external editors are more wysiwyg if you know how to use them.

[stable shadow]

@clever sky are more what ? wysiwyg ? 😄

[granite jacinth]

What You See Is What You Get

[stable shadow]

wow

[granite jacinth]

😃

[stable shadow]

😋

actually No.1 solution that i see in Shooter Game is very nice and i think i can use it in my project but i want to know which one is more optimized for VR

[carmine gulch]

Man, I wonder if ikinema will release a tutorial how they achived the fullbody tracking with 6 Trackers inside of unreal.

[clever sky]

No. They license their tech for 30k per annum apparently.

[carmine gulch]

Most likely

At the moment i'm using the ik Indie licence to get used to it. And I already tried to use two more vive motioncontrollers for my feet.

So far I haven't been able to get that to work

[tawdry dragon]

Anyone here that can tell me why I cant create a Play Dynamic Force Feedback node in BP?

doesn show up, even with context senvity off. If I try and copy it from the VR template, nothing happens

[stable shadow]

try to pull out a wire from player controller node

[tawdry dragon]

nothing works 😦

Ill end up using "Play Haptic Effect" instead

[stable shadow]

http://pastebin.com/WZr1Ekuf

copy past to your blueprint

[tawdry dragon]

cool, works 😛

but how is this gonna work when updating the engine? Is it because the BP is decrepated?

[stable shadow]

I'm not sure

[tawdry dragon]

I will stick with play haptic feedback then 😃

Anyways, thanks for the help 😃

[stable shadow]

Good luck

[wicked oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWRSCABrdR8

AR being cool as fuck

hololens

[raven halo]

I can see it being totally awesome in one or two more generations

AR is very promising

[fallen wind]

if I'm honest, I'd probably try going through the portal myself and bump into the wall

Other than that, it does look fun

[raven halo]

XD

[uneven moon]

I have this weird thing going on when I go in VR within UE4

The sides of the lenses have a sharp line where it distorts the image slightly

It's noticeable to an extent when in VR and very noticeable on my mirrored display (monitor)

Any idea what's causing this?

Using the VR template and wearing the CV1

[mighty carbon]

btw, AR won't quite work for games. Simple fact - you are going to have to scan environments to generate "level" where virtual creatures would reside. While it's doable at home (although most people will be too lazy to do that), you aren't going to do that for various reasons anywhere else.

AR would be good for communication, presentations and information displays

maybe for some Pokemon games

and for theme parks, like Westworld 😃

[wicked oak]

and like that AR video i posted

[mighty carbon]

yeah, but what kind of game will that be?! :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbCQI3DZ9w8&list=PLYO7XTAX41FOURVQnOMFI-uHyuyIGh6eX&index=6

"This talk will cover two topics: Adding Vulkan support to the Oculus Mobile SDK"

I can't watch it, but I hope it's about Vulkan for Gear VR 😃

[wicked oak]

gearVR vulkan is a best case scenario

mobile opengl is terrible

[dusk vigil]

re: scanning environments. Hololens does it on the fly any time you are anywhere...

If you even hold out a hand and keep it steady for a while it will start treating it as 'level geometry' : p

[mighty carbon]

nonsense

if I want to have a monster sitting in my restroom and jump out on me when I get to the restroom, how does ability to scan environment on the fly will help this case ?

how can you place items, weapons, AI anywhere out of the line of sight ?

[tired tree]

you are thinking of traditional gaming in AR

[wicked oak]

AR is best for things that you put on top of a table

or things that are ~"outside"

[mighty carbon]

that's why I said AR is only useful for Pokemon-like games, where stuff is available in the play area, in run-time..

[wicked oak]

for examples making monsters appear from random walls

to be fair, pokemon AR its fuckng awesome

[mighty carbon]

I can see tabletop games with AR

but in no way you can have elaborate games for AR

[tired tree]

Motor, it is totally feasible to do geolocation with fine grain alterations by proximity, IE pokemongo

geo coordinates specify spawn locations, actually going there the fine grain location is based on enviroment

[dusk vigil]

I don't see why you have to trash my words as nonsense. I stated facts.

[mighty carbon]

how convenient and robust is that ?

[wicked oak]

also, rooms are square

you can use that fact

[dusk vigil]

How people use them are up to the devs

[wicked oak]

to map a room

and make enemies appear from the walls to attack something on the center of the room

and then you put traps and turrets and shit

[mighty carbon]

meh

hack on top of hack

[wicked oak]

yeah

[mighty carbon]

garbage gaming

[tired tree]

thats game devving though

[wicked oak]

not at all

and AR for non gamedev its where its at

RIP smartphones

[mighty carbon]

AR for non-games is what I keep saying

[tired tree]

AR is best for overlays yes, and I wouldrather have full dive VR than great AR for gaming

but it doesn't mean you can't do good games in AR

[mighty carbon]

or for theme parks, where stuff is known beforehand, and no need to pre-scan everything every time

[wicked oak]

AR games have a bigger market

they are inherently more casual and can be much more approchable

i mean, people WILL pay for a dragon pet in VR

[mighty carbon]

Think Westworld with AR

[dusk vigil]

The lines between IRL and AR and VR will slowly but certainly start blurring as time goes by is my prediction

[wicked oak]

make a cute dragon pet that follows you in AR

and you can call it like a mascot

[tired tree]

AR paintball / laser tag is going to kill half of the shooting sports

[mighty carbon]

no, thank you.. I'd rather play real paintball

[tired tree]

real paintball with tactical overlays bruh

get in my sat morning cartoons

[mighty carbon]

yeah, that works

gotta be able to feel the pain 😃

[wicked oak]

IRL yu gi oh

[tired tree]

Arma AR

[wicked oak]

maaaaan, cant wait to go I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DDDDDDDDDUEL

to random people

[tired tree]

oh god...IRL yugioh would decimate generations of children

[wicked oak]

and Pokemon go, true AR edition

with pokemon as pets that follow you

people WILL pay for the option of having a pokemon as a virtual pet that follows you

[mighty carbon]

I still don't get what people like in Pokemon games o.O

(but I do get it's a money maker 😛 )

[tired tree]

it was fun with my family, wife and kid and I walking around catching shit

I don't care about pokemon, but getting him out walking with us was great

[mighty carbon]

my wife doesn't care for it, neither does my kid

(but they care for Mario Brothers.. Go figure..)

[tired tree]

community games are AR's greatest strength imo, territory control games are two hardware iterations away from being the top of the gaming market

pokemongo was just a first glimpse through that window

[mighty carbon]

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/galaxy-s8-could-cost-nearly-000400183.html

Damn, I guess I am not getting S8 any time soon :/

(and I don't think whole a lot of people who games on Gear VR will be getting it)

[mighty carbon]

maybe base model will be more affordable

[full junco]

@mighty carbon why can't you watch the vulkan VR video?

[mighty carbon]

At work

also, http://www.roadtovr.com/vive-consumer-business-edition-headsets-will-diverge-increasingly-separate-vr-systems-vive-president-says/

[wicked oak]

that is completely logical

you can charge arcades more for the same thing

so you can do a "pre release" of the wirelss thing, at twice the price, for arcades only

and then do the normal release

also, make the vive 1.5 with all the integrations, or put "enthusiast versions"

like a 4k Vive

same vive, but with the headstrap, wireless tech, and higher res panels

[tired tree]

Can also run different hardware with arcades

like more tracking modules

[wicked oak]

yup

HTC is Asian

they have loooots of arcades there

[tired tree]

archi as well

[wicked oak]

they are dead on the west

[tired tree]

dedicated large rooms for showing off product

[wicked oak]

but im seeing VR arcades in construction around me

[mighty carbon]

West needs Westworld!

[tired tree]

archi VR is huge

[wicked oak]

yup

too bad i dont have the contacts, becouse its something i can do

[mighty carbon]

we are well passed those arcades 😃

[tired tree]

there are a lot of people "looking for help" with archi projects for their firms

I had to tell like 12 different guys no in PMs

[mighty carbon]

in US ?

[tired tree]

yeah

tho, even more china

[mighty carbon]

anything in TX ?

[tired tree]

dunno

would likely be remote work anyway

[mighty carbon]

ah, I see

do they need 3D artist or UE4 programmer ?

[tired tree]

put up a LFW in talent

saying remote Archi work in VR

[mighty carbon]

I need to make a demo for Gear VR showing some sort of arch viz work 😃

[tired tree]

The chinese are REALLY looking for help to get going ,but the language and work culture barrier get in the way

[mighty carbon]

I bet

[full junco]

@mighty carbon just watched the first 17 minutes of that video

[mighty carbon]

verdict ?

[full junco]

now I've watched the first 21 minutes

well he talks about how you use vulkan for gearvr

[wicked oak]

low level stuff

[mighty carbon]

https://forums.oculus.com/developer/discussion/comment/491188/#Comment_491188

[wicked oak]

with the sicronization with the low level api and stuff

obligatory EPIC PLZ

[mighty carbon]

"Work is being done on Vulkan support. It is currently not ready for UE4 on Gear VR at this time. We'll make an announcement when we have a clear ETA"

[wicked oak]

vulkan is specially good on VR becouse it does instanced stereo "by default"

you do the command lists for one eye

then play them all again

[full junco]

@mighty carbon why did you quote that?

[mighty carbon]

because that's what Oculus just posted about that video

[full junco]

well yeah, but is that relevant?

[mighty carbon]

yeah

read the forum post

I posted link to that video and asked

Oculus came back and said pretty much the same thing as last year - "when it's done"

[full junco]

yeah, but why is that worth to mention?

of course its done when its done

but thanks to the video you know its pretty much done

the guy giving the presentation in the video is working at oculus, and he explains how he implemented vulkan for gearvr. so even though it isn't in UE4, you know its working now

[wicked oak]

and vulkan works on samsung phones

UE4 GearVR Vulkan would be a great selling point

i mean, low level apis in ue4 seem to work real well. At least from the low level ps4 renderer

all da cores

[mighty carbon]

seriously?! I don't care what they did in the lab if I can't use it with UE4

[full junco]

for UE4, epic has to add support for it

[mighty carbon]

bah

[full junco]

thats not anything oculus does, its on epic side. unless oculus wants to PR it

[wicked oak]

Oculus likes to do crazy shit on UE4

sometimes it goes into the main branch

[mighty carbon]

Oculus tells you "we don't have ETA, we are working on it" and you tell me something else..

[wicked oak]

the first to do ue4 forward render was oculus

and same with stereo rendering

and same with the monoscopic VR that switches to stereo up close

[tired tree]

ue4 always had a forward renderer

[full junco]

@mighty carbon oculus tells you the vr api for vulkan is not ready yet to be used with a huge engine like UE4, yes. but even after it is ready, you still have to wait for epic to add support for it

[tired tree]

oculus made a barebones one

[mighty carbon]

When Oculus makes their implementation for UE4, then Epic will integrate it in one way or another.

why are you arguing @full junco ? You repeat what I said in the past and today

[full junco]

@mighty carbon just trying to explain to you that what you think doesnt make sense

like most stuff you think 😛

[mighty carbon]

Epic will not implement it without Oculus implementing it in the first place

[tired tree]

Epic didn't implement oculus's forward renderer at all because it interfered with intended engine features.....

its not because ofthem that we have the current renderer

[mighty carbon]

Epic wouldn't have even bothered with forward renderer if they didn't see proof of concept made my Oculus

[full junco]

oculus is not talking about implementing it into UE4, oculus is talking about adding support to their SDK so that epic could add support for talking to it using vulkan

@mighty carbon thats wrong

[mighty carbon]

they didn't use Oculus fork directly because Oculus simply didn't do a good integration

[tired tree]

.....

man you assume a lot of things

[mighty carbon]

same thing goes for everything else gear VR related

multiview was not implemented by Epic until Oculus implemented it in their fork

then again, the same implementation did not go into Epic's master. It's still being reworked and worked on by Oculus and Epic. Not just by Epic.

[tired tree]

pretty sure it was the visual fidelity of unity vs UE4 for VR that cemented it....the engine wasn't up to snuff in comparison for VR once the clarity differences were really shown.

[full junco]

@tired tree motorsep is always having his very own opinion on stuff 😛

[mighty carbon]

you are Vive fanboy, what would you possibly know about Oculus if you hate them and not following their work?!

[tired tree]

Well if his oculus logic applied then the VRworks branch for nvidia would be integrated already

[mighty carbon]

They implemented every single gear VR feature for UE4, themselves. Then Epic stepped in for final integration into UE4 master

[tired tree]

multiview wasn't support by the oculus runtime originally.....

[full junco]

@tired tree yeah, epic added the forward renderer because they needed MSAA for good looking robo recall

[tired tree]

it was up to oculus to even support it

[mighty carbon]

Nvidia makes VR stuff to push their hardware sales.. They don't have any interest beyond that. Why should they bother making proper implementation for UE4 if all they need is working binary to sell more of their hardware ?!

[full junco]

they only did robo recall because oculus paid them for it, so indirectly oculus might be the cause for ue4 having a forward renderer now, but not because they did their own very limited implementation of it

[mighty carbon]

Robo Recall only happened because Oculus contracted Epic to make it happen

if Oculus hasn't paid for it, there would be no Robo Recall

[tired tree]

I like robo recall pushing the engine forward on the renderer, but I feel like it has stagnated the other VR work on the engine during its development

[full junco]

@mighty carbon thats what I said

[mighty carbon]

🙄

[full junco]

@tired tree what other VR work?

[mighty carbon]

http://vrscout.com/news/wesley-snipes-vr-film-recall-abduction/

lol, VR film, but 2D non-VR trailer...

[tired tree]

well they left a lot of the motion controllers stagnate, with bugs and easy to add missing features

also the steamVR is locked down in engine

and lots of its features are unimplemented

[full junco]

what features?

[tired tree]

you can't even pair controller IDs to components currently

because the array is private only

[full junco]

well but that isn't too relevant

[tired tree]

hardware polling, meshing and a few other things

[full junco]

rendering stuff is whats relevant

[tired tree]

you can't directly control late update in blueprint either, or C++ without overriding base class

unity has it as a seperate tick

[full junco]

ok, thats useful

[tired tree]

I had to go in and add a bunch of late update features in to make some interactions even possible

[full junco]

like what for example?

[tired tree]

like components not attached to controllers

adding them to the late update pipeline

[mighty carbon]

I bet after Robo Recall release we get all that stuff sorted out in UE4

[tired tree]

yeah, like I said, robo recall gave us forward renderer, and I love that

but the base VR classes have remained unchanged for like 6 months

aside from the owning player check on motion controllers

[full junco]

having a seperate tick for late update sounds dangerous though because people could easily do stuff there that isnt possible to do there

[tired tree]

and?

I don't even care about the tick so much, I just like that it is accessible in unity

without edits currently the late update is locked to only attached components currently

[full junco]

well, ue4 gives us source so its relatively easy to add other components, unity doesnt give you source so they have to make it accessible

[tired tree]

tell that to all of the Blueprint only users I have been providing technical support for my plugin with :p

[full junco]

what plugin?

[tired tree]

VRExpansionPlugin

[full junco]

ok, havent looked at that

[tired tree]

Back before the controllers were fixed I made some custom ones that replicated correctly

and then it kind of balooned into a full blown expansion

dunno, I needed some sort of hobby I guess

[full junco]

😄

[mighty carbon]

speaking of pricing games http://store.steampowered.com/app/477160/

most negative reviews are about how pricey the game is. Yet, it has overwhelmingly positive reviews and it seems like it made it into Top Seller list (for now at least)

so, yeah, the game can be short, and pricey, but if it finds its audience - who cares..

at least they don't help that race to the bottom 99c hell

[wicked oak]

looks quite good

[mighty carbon]

H1Z1 is $19 and looks a ton better

but yes, it has pleasing aesthetics

[tired tree]

they are totally different genres....

[mighty carbon]

how is it relevant? It's about production value

[tired tree]

you are comparing a battle royal game to a puzzle platformer

[mighty carbon]

the point is that selling games you put blood, sweat and tears into for 99c is dumb and is poisonous to everyone

http://www.roadtovr.com/koei-tecmos-new-vr-arcade-cabinet-tickles-senses-launching-dynasty-warriors/

looks cool outside, looks horrible inside :/

(maybe because players don't see it anyway )

[mighty carbon]

https://www.oculus.com/blog/rock-band-vr-pre-orders-now-live/#oo

I wonder if Oculus has something in store similar to Vive's pucks

[real needle]

Hey @tired tree it's good to see you in here 😃

@mighty carbon No they strap one of the Touch controllers to the front of the rifle

All Touch boxes come with the attachment

[mighty carbon]

oh, didn't know that

cool

https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/49392/oculus-1-11-users-please-post-your-logs-here

[granite jacinth]

!invite

[real needle]

http://join.unrealslackers.org

[granite jacinth]

@real needle ^

[mighty carbon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/5sh4s0/facebook_is_setting_up_a_social_vr_division/

interesting

[lean panther]

Heyo! Our marketing peeps want us to crack mixed reality VR streaming in Unreal. Seems like it's in the pipeline over at epic but for now I'm doing some prelim research. I understand how to do a lot of the layering and depth stuff, but I can't find a way to pipe out a non-headset camera view to the screen. It seems like Unreal only mirrors by default.

Most people have said they make a spectator view that connects to a client running the game, but that seems like overkill. With Unity, I was able to draw a render texture to screen and such.

[real needle]

@lean panther Check this out: https://github.com/haowang1013/UE4-MixeReality

The source change provides you with a different preview mode

It's for 4.12 but I'm sure you could give it a crack for your version, SteamVR hasn't changed much

[lean panther]

Ok looks interesting, I'll take a look. Thanks!

[real needle]

@lean panther Please update us with your progress, it isn't high on my todo list and C++ takes me forever so I just decided to wait epic out to support it natively

[wintry escarp]

whats the point of the giant VR pod, the idea of VR is the HMD takes you into the vr world

[mighty carbon]

@wintry escarp it farts in your face when someone farts in VR world. You still wear HMD. 😉

[lean panther]

Well this is purely to stream in VR. HMD views on a screen are pretty rough due to all the motion.

With a 3rd person camera, you can show the action around your VR player. And with mixed reality stuff you can actually project the real player o nthe screen.

Oh sorry were you commenting on the thing above? My bad T-T

[real needle]

smilertoo was yeah

[lean panther]

Anyway, I'll get on that, I'll keep you guys informed.

[real needle]

On a first look I thought the pod was for waifu-experiences

Being Japan and all

[mighty carbon]

I thought that lady gets in the pod with you, but then I saw other pics and read the article .... 😛

[real needle]

lol

[mighty carbon]

I am pretty sure wind and mist would add a lot to the experience

I doubt they can control smell

(they can, but it won't be anywhere near to real-life)

as tech improves, I can see having force feedback vest, motorized chair and wind thing at home

(and prices go down, although I doubt that will happen)

[real needle]

I will be scheduling weekly/bi-weekly VR multiplayer play sessions for UE4 devs, and have created a poll to see which games we own/want to play: http://doodle.com/poll/drbfzsgzmkr69ckm

The poll results will also give me an idea if there are enough of us interested to make this a thing. I picked games that support more than 2 players, and it's Steam only for now. This could also be a chance for you to find people who can give good feedback on your own games!

Link to forum post: https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?136153-Want-to-play-VR-multiplayer-games-with-other-devs&p=662158#post662158

[upbeat kestrel]

pinned it 😃

sounds like a great idea!

[mighty carbon]

Can someone help with this please https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?136147-Is-it-possible-to-use-atlas-texture-with-UMG-widgets ?

[glossy agate]

@real needle What about serious sam vr: The first encounter. Would be fun because we can get I think 8 people in coop, and its easy to talk to teammates.

[pearl tangle]

@mighty carbon looks like 1 of the Epic devs already got to it

and the UMG does have support for materials, you just need to access them a bit differently. for example I created a 360 video player that pulls in youtube content via the UMG web browser widget and then i access the material of that widget and put it onto the sphere

[mighty carbon]

@pearl tangle how would I do that?

[pearl tangle]

you pull the widget into your blueprint and then you can access it's material params, then assign that same material to your other actor

[mighty carbon]

would it be better than using Paper2D sprites?

[pearl tangle]

for sprites? no of course not. I was just saying that I was accessing the material

you should just setup your texture as an atlas and then you offset the position of it for each individual sprite you want to display with 2 scalar params

[mighty carbon]

I am not that savvy with materials :/ Do I use custom UVs to shift texture around?

[pearl tangle]

you just put your atlas in there and you offset the x and y position is the most basic way to do it

so if you split up your atlas into 100x100px and you have 100 of them on an atlas textures then top left is
0,0
then the second on the left is
100,0
the 11th (2nd row, first along)
0,100

there are other ways to do it but thats a very simple way. You could pretty easily setup an algorithm to do the multiplication and whatnot from a blueprint or an enum

[mighty carbon]

@pearl tangle https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?136147-Is-it-possible-to-use-atlas-texture-with-UMG-widgets

so much easier to work with than with what you recommended 😃

OMG http://steamcommunity.com/games/thesolusproject/announcements/detail/240216835500139976

Now I really wish I had Rift 😦

http://uploadvr.com/oculus-building-ar-incubator/

http://uploadvr.com/roomscale-vs-gamepad-vr/

good point

[pearl tangle]

but then you aren't using the actual original file unless it's loaded in from another method right? I thought the generate sprite function was actually chopping the things out since it seems to create new assets from it

[mighty carbon]

well, I import atlas, UE4 generates sprites from it, I use sprites as individual icons and UE4 batches it, since they all come from the same source

basically sprites serve as indices of the atlas

at least that's my understanding of it and Nick confirmed it

[pearl tangle]

as long as it's doing that yeah its a good way to do it. You still need to configure a way for your actual sprites to get used. I would setup a data table and you can define each with a name or enum and assign the sprite for it, makes it easy for you

yeah it sounds like thats what hes saying

[mighty carbon]

well, each item is a struct, which contains UI icon

[pearl tangle]

if the way it does the sprites is more of a reference to the original sheet then thats the most optimized way of doing it. which is essentially the same way as you would do in the material with the xy icon

[mighty carbon]

so I don't really need a data table

[pearl tangle]

the data table lets you define all of them in a single location. You create it based off the struct

it's just the array of your struct so you can add more items and modify easily

[mighty carbon]

still not following :/

currently I have array of structs already

[pearl tangle]

each column on a data table is the struct.

[mighty carbon]

that's my inventory that contains items

[pearl tangle]

yeah data table is much better for you rather than an array because it's a lot easier for you to change things with

you have all of your "items" in the data table. then you assign that to your "inventory". keeps it really modular and super easy for you to add new items

[mighty carbon]

well, I already made Inventory that works, so maybe eventually I rewrite it using data tables 😉

[pearl tangle]

you wont need to rewrite much. your actual inventory would stay exactly the same, just reference your data table instead of an array in that blueprint.

all it does is give you a better location to be able to add and remove and modify data, especially for balancing. You could hook up an excel spreadsheet to be the actual data source for it too. That way you can write in macros in the spreadsheet itself to populate stats

eg. item level 1 dmg = 5
item level 2 = B2*1.05
etc

[mighty carbon]

right, but my project has inventory of Quake/Doom

simple stuff.. It's not RPG

and I want to finish this as soon as practical

[pearl tangle]

yeah still worth figuring it out. will take you an hour or 2 to figure out the ways for it but then you will start using it for everything.
you should put all your enemies and their stats in 1
player stats in another 1 (could be using the same struct)
weapons and stats in another

and you can have all of that in a single excel doc with different tabs, super helpful when you are working with a team as well because you can easily tweak values on the fly when you are doing testing

[mighty carbon]

heh, sounds way over my head 😦

[pearl tangle]

hah its super easy. it's harder for you to do the stuff you have done

[mighty carbon]

😃

watching some UMG tutorials.. Seems like whole another beast 😦

got a general idea though.. Will poke at it tomorrow

gotta hit the sack.. see ya tomorrow

[real needle]

@mighty carbon You'll end up loving it

[mighty carbon]

hopefully 😛

[real needle]

With occasional headaches, but that comes with everything :b

[pearl tangle]

remember to keep everything as 3D widgets though for your vr stuff

[restive blade]

I'm still unsure if I like VR 😦

[mighty carbon]

yeah, I am working with 3D widgets

eeh @restive blade ?

I fell in love with VR using Cardboard and Gear VR made it final

I am sure Rift will solidify it further

[restive blade]

tracking on rift is to weak currently compared to vive... but.. that being said... I get motion sickness no matter what I do 😦

[mighty carbon]

only weak if you don't have enough bandwidth apparently

[restive blade]

?

[mighty carbon]

USB bandwidth

[restive blade]

that's not an issue with this system 😐

[mighty carbon]

I see bunch of people not having any issues at all, and equal bunch having issues

that's what you think

[restive blade]

well shit... the simple reality is that the comp is easly top specced atm... so not much I can do 😛

[mighty carbon]

what doesn't it have to do with top specs? some mobos have crappy USB controllers

[real needle]

@restive blade Not running at framerate? What games have you been playing?

[mighty carbon]

you might have mighty CPU and GPU, a ton of RAM, bunch of USB ports and only 2 USB controllers to govern all those ports

[restive blade]

framerates always 90

anyways @mighty carbon it's not my usb controllers 😛

[mighty carbon]

you need high bandwidth controller per every 2 ports

it is

cameras are connected to USB ports

that's the only issue there

otherwise every single person would have had tracking issues

[real needle]

Rift/Vive? If you're not playing any games with slide/trackpad locomotion (or crazy stuff like climbing), you really shouldn't have any issues

If you do, you should share your experience so that we can find out why

[mighty carbon]

btw, this is why I refuse to make MP games https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/5sj3hh/anyone_still_out_there_in_arizona_sunshine/

[restive blade]

I am very aware of this... I'm just telling you it's not the issue LOL.. and it's NOT issues... it's me being a sensitive little flower and feeling it 😛

[mighty carbon]

lol

[real needle]

@mighty carbon My subjective asessment: People who enjoy multiplayer are probably used to Steam

[mighty carbon]

one of the posters said he is on Steam and there is no one in MP

[restive blade]

anyone had any luck with getting rift remote to work ?

[mighty carbon]

MP is cool, but you gotta go as big as CS:GO or Dota to justify development of MP. Otherwise 10 people play it and it will be dead

anyhow, I am out

[still frost]

will doing epics tutorial help me mess with the VR template? Right now its a bit confusing.

coming from unity

[pearl tangle]

yeah there is nobody in multiplayer vr games much unless they are free. rec room always has people in it

yes epics tutorials for everything will help you

[real needle]

@still frost Have you read the documentation for Unity developers?

[pearl tangle]

the VR template itself is super easy to work with

[real needle]

@pearl tangle I beg the differ: http://vrlfg.net/

On multiplayer games

[pearl tangle]

@restive blade am keen to know what things give you motion sickness too? If you are 100% in control of your movement then maybe it's IPD issues or something causing problems? I can't do 1s where it's moving me or just normal locomotion systems either but if i am controlling all the movement i have never had issues

[real needle]

Curerntly 129 on Arizona Sunshine, and 122 playing Onward (steam)

[pearl tangle]

yeah thats not really too many people thats for sure

especially when you are looking for players close by with decent ping or the stuff goes pretty bad with it

[real needle]

Out of a business perspective, no, but for a player, it's def enough :b

[restive blade]

@pearl tangle I only use setups where I am in complete control of my movment

[pearl tangle]

raw data was packed when it was first out too

[real needle]

Just spotted this, free: http://store.steampowered.com/app/582500

It's a pretty cool idea, exploration take on stuff like Keep Talking

[pearl tangle]

very interesting that it gives you motion sickness with that then, id say somethig with the view on it is most likely. I can only play my rift for like 15 minutes before the stupidly hot screen starts to give me a headache, with the vive the tight fit is the thing that gives pain around the ears but its not as bad as the hot screen

i haven't given it a try yet either, might give it a download at home

[real needle]

@pearl tangle It's pretty hot in Singapore ey?

I've never had the rift be hot

I've played for entire days

[restive blade]

I do find the vive much more manageable long term... I find better tracking and less normal's distortion to help

[real needle]

And I think we can assume that our body temperatures are roughly the same

[pearl tangle]

just the screen on it seems to get stupidly hot. maybe it's a problem on mine. will bring it into the office and compare with another colleagues

idno, im pretty hot...

😉

[restive blade]

naw.. the screen does get pretty hot

[real needle]

Oh Yeah? 😉

[restive blade]

much much warmer then vive

[real needle]

I think it has to do with the slimmed down enclosure on the rift

[pearl tangle]

yeah it was really affecting me using it

[real needle]

Fabric is a better conductor of heat as well I believe

Than hard plastic

[pearl tangle]

well the plastic should trap the heat more than the fabric

[real needle]

that's what I was saying

[restive blade]

anyways... if anyone has some tips on how to get the Rift remote to work I'd be super greatfull 😃

[sturdy coral]

the rift still has plastic underneath the fabric, so it isn't really breathing through it or anything

https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/WqguY53CokBjdpkt.huge

[real needle]

@sturdy coral There is no plastic between the screen and your face, just the lenses

You can put your finger between the lenses and feel the screen

[sturdy coral]

but your face is sealing it off

I guess it gets airflow through the nose gap?

[real needle]

yeah one would think it cools down better, but we might be fishing in the dark. The screens themselves might just be hotter

[sturdy coral]

it definitely is hotter to the touch on the outside, on the inside I think it is more humid too because your breath comes up the nose gap, probably depends a bit on your face though

[real needle]

You hear that @pearl tangle? Your face is the problem. There we go, problem solved.

[sturdy coral]

it definitely fogs up for me when I have it cold in the room where the vive doesn't, and I think that is just from breath coming through the nose gap

I need to try out the shuhei hack:

[pearl tangle]

told you it's just because im hotter than you @real needle

What is it that you are trying to do with the remote @restive blade it should just show up as an input and you can trigger mouse clicks from it?

[restive blade]

I'm just trying to get it to react at all with my code... I'd like to use it with HMD targeted teliportation

[pearl tangle]

https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/418467/how-to-set-inputs-for-oculus-remote.html

[restive blade]

yeah.. first thing I tried =/

[pearl tangle]

or you can just use the gamepad

like map with gamepad stuff rather than the oculus remote

[restive blade]

nether is working

[pearl tangle]

what are you using it in? Just try in the level blueprint or your pawn blueprint and see if anything happens

it should be able to work with the d pad inputs

[restive blade]

I'll try it in lvl blueprint

[restive blade]

grumbles something unpleasent about microsoft

[granite jacinth]

https://www.twitch.tv/victorburgos_ 1v1 VR Multiplayer Alpha Crunch !!!

[restive blade]

25

oops.. lol

[granite jacinth]

hm?

[restive blade]

was using wrong comp (shared keyboard mouse) lol

[full junco]

whats the best way for simply turning the direction the player faces in the world by 90°, without affecting the location where the player is? seems to be quite a bit harder than I expexted in VR, never cared about the rotation before...

[granite jacinth]

@full junco get right/left vector?

right vector x -1 = left

[full junco]

@granite jacinth I know how to get the correct vector of course, I'm asking how to set the rotation correctly for the player. its not as easy as it seems due to rotation usually being locked to what steamvr tells ue4

[native cedar]

Is there any guide on how to interpret stat scenerendering and other profiling graphs?
I came to a decent degree of understanding with profilegpu but my tools are currently limited to that and blind "take stuff out" testing

[granite jacinth]

@native cedar If you are good enough, please make a wiki entry or tutorial

There are some old ass videos

that epic did

but, otherwise, not really anything to "interpret" since everyone has different things going on in their scenes

while the same "calls" are getting well called

[candid viper]

@full junco The headset camera is parented under the root transform of the actor. So, get the rotation of the actor - GetActorRotation(), adjust the yaw (and wrap in to the 0-360 range), then call SetActorRotation().

[native cedar]

does the wiki need stuff about gpu profiling?

[granite jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY62PAsM7eg

[native cedar]

I'll be haooy to share my knowledge about that

[granite jacinth]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-csRxRj_zcw

@native cedar yeah man

anything and everything you can contribute to it

There's very little knowledge being spread for whatever reason

People are keeping hush hush about it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full junco]

@candid viper setting actor rotation shouldn't do anything in VR, the HMD has its only rotation independent from the actor rotation.

[wicked oak]

just let me use the low end forward renderer on PC goddamit

[full junco]

and if it wouldn't, then setting the actor rotation would move the location of the HMD

[wicked oak]

i would like to use the GearVR renderer for PC VR

[native cedar]

thanks victor

right now we are planning to move to forward rendering

but old habits are hard to... whatever, you know the drill

[candid viper]

@full junco Not quite correct. The HMD orientation is set relative to the roomspace coordinate system. I have the HMD/camera under a root node (which is the capsule for the character). Roating the actor rotates everything in the world, it doesn't rotate the hmd relative to the roomspace. I have step turns for Oculus, which work by rotating the actor yaw exactly as I've described.

[full junco]

@candid viper I also have the camera as a child of the capsule, and rotating the actor is not doing anything

have you tested it with steamvr?

[candid viper]

@full junco I haven't tested it with SteamVR - I don't enable step turns with SteamVR. The camera setup is the same though - works on both Oculus/SteamVR. May be a difference in the setup - I'm using custom C++ components for the camera etc, so I might have done something in there that is allowing it to work, but I can't remember anything off hand. I wrote that code over 6 months back.

[full junco]

@candid viper I can disable "lock to hmd" on the camera, then modifying the actor rotation is doing something

but obviously its also affecting the location of the camera then, so rotating the actor results in the camera being at a different location

since the camera is not at 0/0/0 relative to the actor

[native cedar]

Anyone tried using kite & lightning to capture frames? I am getting messed up object positions at close range

[candid viper]

@full junco Just checked my code. I'm not changing the actor rotation directly. I'm getting the actor location/rotation. Changing the rotation to be what I want post turn. Then calling TeleportTo with the original location and new rotation. I'd forgotten that I reuse my teleport system to make the turn to integrate the fade. Likely the TeleportTo is doing the actual correction.

[full junco]

@candid viper TeleportTo() is only setting location and rotation for the root component, so the camera would still be at a different location after you call TeleportTo() for changing the actors rotation

[candid viper]

@full junco Just tested my code under SteamVR. It works as expected. It is possible that the location is moving - my test area is small so I'm mostly near the centre of the room scale area so an offset wouldn't be that noticable. As I step rotate, the chaperone stays put, while the world move.

[granite jacinth]

I'm a bit perturbed that my max FPS is 45fps

https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/426560/unreal-411-vive-clipped-to-90-or-45.html seems to be the problem

I thought I turned this off before, but maybe it was on my laptop

[full junco]

@candid viper so your world is moving when you rotate?