@clever sky well I just saw that if I set the world location of the stereo thing to the relative location of the motion controller then its correct lol
#virtual-reality
full junco
I think partly that even makes sense...
world location then doesn't mean world location in the ue4 world, but world location in the steam world, relative the the center of the room
obviously its really annoying that they dont just write that somewhere...
@wicked oak so, I fixed the location...
the rotation is still wrong, but I guess I just have to give it the same here. not world rotation of ue4, but world rotation relative to the forward rotation of the room center...
storm vortex
Anyone ever get this error before when packaging?
Plugins/VRExpansionPlugin/Binaries/Win64/UE4Editor-VRExpansionPlugin-8423.dll' because the file couldn't be loaded by the OS.
clever sky
@full junco Nice solve. Well half solve π
storm vortex
That feeling when your CPU is actually being utilized... I think I fixed my build error by removing all the intermediate and build directories. My CPU has been at 100% for quite a long time now. I'm really hoping it doesn't just fail at the end.
clever sky
I should probably figure a better way to deal with build errors.
Currently I just make new projects and migrate things across.\
storm vortex
Yup, I have done that before too. This is my first time packaging though. That is going to be my next task if this fails π¦
I'll probably have to do that eventually since I have a lot of unused assets I've added to the project from the marketplace
clever sky
Always a nervous moment when build fails and it doesn't spit out anything comprehendable.
Error Code 5. Error Unknown.
Well thanks. Thanks for nothing!
storm vortex
Yeah, that's what I thought had happened earlier until I noticed the VRExpansionPluginDLL Error
clever sky
Ah yeah
storm vortex
I tested building the sample project and it worked, but the sample I think was on a different version of Unreal. I'm on 14.1 so I know I'm playing with fire based on past comments in here.
I'm surprised it still lets you use the editor while building. I'm not though due to fear of it crashing
clever sky
Hehe. Arms sore. Played Quivr for 90 mins
storm vortex
I keep reading about that game. Is that like Long Bow in the lab?
I have Holopoint is it much different?
clever sky
Yes. It's much more like Long Bow than Holopoint.
It's only like Holopoint in so far as you have a bow.
Similar to how Serious Sam is like Onward because they have guns π
storm vortex
haha got it
clever sky
But yeah, it's basically a polished wave shooter using bow and arrow. With multiplayer.
Good fun with people around. Games a bit hard without them.
storm vortex
watching a video now, graphics look nice
clever sky
Servicable!
Well done enough, but nothing that'll make you say - dayumm!
Or maybe I'm just VR jaded now π
Be warned though. It's a single map split up into 4 sections. So... not a lot of variety ATM. Just good solid foundation mechanics.
storm vortex
H3VR started like that too, just a few guns but solid stuff and really grew
full junco
packaging really isn't much of a problem
clever sky
I should try H3VR a bit more... bought it, but only spent 10 mins in it π
storm vortex
H3VR I think is the best gun game (simulator), and probably best early access game I have bought as far as rapid content updates.
clever sky
I think I'm just not a big realistic gun fan π
storm vortex
I think it's fun learning how to use them and such, but I don't think those mechanics would totally work for a fast action game.
clever sky
Ammo, clips, bits bots, ahh why are guns so complicated??!
storm vortex
I'm modeling my game off stuff it has, but not quite as detailed because things like trying to match the magazine into the gun while being shot at is too hard IMO
I need to play more Arizona Sunshine but I stopped once I got midway through the cave and NOPED out
clever sky
Have you shown the game you're working on publically yet?
storm vortex
I've posted some crappy screens on reddit in the comments once
clever sky
I'm getting too many projects mixed up in my head π there's a bunch of sneaky gun shooter types.
Dudes running around with silencers.
storm vortex
Yup that is what I'm planning to do haha
I'm sure there will be tons of them since the barrier to entry is so low now
storm vortex
Yeah, you still have to kinda know how to program though.
clever sky
Absolutely. But... I've only been learning for 6 months now π
Shit's sooooo much easier than when I tried to learn in Uni.
Bloody incompetent com sci professors!
storm vortex
Yeah, I think school is good for learning fundementals and then really you need to do side projects to actually learn how to build programs.
clever sky
I took an AI course in third year and the lecturer had a super thick accent and was talking in incomprehensible terms.
This was pre neural net stuff.
storm vortex
I avoided AI since that class I knew was one of the hardest. I would have taken it if I didn't have to take other ones at the same time.
clever sky
Of course, game AI is nothing like 'AI'
But I didn't know that then!
Is that you? π
storm vortex
lol looks like what i have just from the screenshot
clever sky
Dear mr wentworth bell, you can use shadow play to record the gameplay.
storm vortex
That's very similar mechanics to what I have
clever sky
Well. I'm guessing both of you were inspired by H3VR π
storm vortex
yeah, or just wanting to use guns in VR how they should be
none of this tap the button to auto reload
I hope more games have these mechanics. I want to play them!
clever sky
I prefer a bit of abstraction to gun mechanics.
Too much literalism makes the handling a bit finicky. As per H3VR
storm vortex
Mine is kinda like that video where you just have to be close enough
clever sky
But at the same time, I do enjoy some of the tactile feeling of reloading
storm vortex
how'd you come across that video?
storm vortex
The rough part about using marketplace assets is everyone is using them
There are very few decent character models on there so everyone uses those same 3 dudes
clever sky
Haha... Just gotta do the mechanics and design better than everyone else π
storm vortex
Yeah, and also just not care what other people are doing and press on with your own stuff because you are making a game you want to play.
storm vortex
only if it has crafting
clever sky
or an open world fantasy medieval
storm vortex
I like Zombie Apocalypse, but something like Oblivion or Skyrim would be sweet
How far along are you with your game? Do you have a vision of what you want so far or are you working on mechanics?
clever sky
Nah. I'm doing a video for my locomotion system.
Which will be released shortly.
What's a good site to upload to?
storm vortex
I've used youtube to host private videos
clever sky
Ah yeah.
But yeah, gonna use Synty studio assets.
Which I know everyone else and their mother and chickens are doing.
full junco
you can upload anywhere. like Google Drive or Amazon cloud
clever sky
But, there's no much choice out there if you want nearly a full games worth of assets for cheap π
storm vortex
If reddit hits your google drive will it max out?
clever sky
Probably.
storm vortex
I think it comes down to gameplay as you said
full junco
I uploaded that BP voxel game demo I did like 9 months ago on Google Drive.
it got over 100K downloads
clever sky
Exactly. Most people understand that marketplace assets are a reality of VR dev right now.
full junco
so Google Drive works
full junco
I dunno
storm vortex
ahhhh my cook failed after an hour
full junco
you never need to migrate anything lol
that would be stupid
I never had to migrate anything. that's not how you fix stuff
storm vortex
my project folder is 19GB so probably time to reduce it down to what I'm actually using
clever sky
Or paste the errors into chat so John can help you troubleshoot π
full junco
if there's an error then it deserves to get fixed
storm vortex
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): BUILD FAILED
PackagingResults:Error: Error Unknown Cook Failure
migrate won't fix it
storm vortex
I'm still looking for the actual errors
full junco
the error is listed in the cooking log
it always says something like unknown error in the log at the end, ignore that
just open it with notepads ++ and search all "error"
storm vortex
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LogTemp:Display: IPP ERROR: Application exception: System.IO.DirectoryNotFoundException: Could not find a part of the path 'C:\Users\Matt\AppData\Local\Apple Computer\MobileDevice\Provisioning Profiles'.
LogTemp:Display: at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
idk mobile provision profile stuff is showing up. I thought I got away from iOS Code signing
full junco
I never got that
storm vortex
Warnings you can ignore right?
It says I have 12 errors total
I mean warnings should generally be fixed but that shouldn't prevent a build right?
full junco
yeah warnings you can ignore
storm vortex
I think those are my actual errors
Seems like they are all coming out of that extensions library
storm vortex
Yeah, that was my biggest fear of using that library
full junco
it's enough if someone stops updating it to the new engine version and everything breaks
not good
so don't use libraries
at least none that are related to ue4
storm vortex
In hindsight I should have tried to package before adding that lib and then again right after adding it.
full junco
general c++ stuff is fine
@storm vortex it's not only now for packaging, but how do you wanna know if it will be kept up to date with new engine versions
storm vortex
Yeah, that's another good reason too. Since it's open source I don't mind using it as much.
storm vortex
You always have to balance the trade offs
full junco
but only do it if it's really needed
storm vortex
time saved vs risk
well I think this error just became a tomorrow problem. Thanks for your help / tips @full junco
native cedar
is there a way to stat scenerendering properly in VR?
I need to do some realtime profiling and the graphs are all messed up, I can't see them!
their position is kinda off screen
wicked oak
stat gpu
also do proper profiling
stat startfile
do stuff
stat stopfile
open the file created with the big profiler
dusk vigil
Celebrating the new year, and learning Unreal Engine is starting to get smoother after a month or so of pain... Here's some Steam keys for my first VR game Kumoon ( no tracked controllers, was made before such things existed : p ) Appreciate the community here π
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T8NZ6-PCP8W-50DM6
AYGD8-ZDQ8T-CD9PJ
5IZLI-LW69L-90R9Q
FMBN4-0XTRD-IFE8W
9BTRC-LN3IM-7BPFH
JKXN8-KAW9X-XFEBP
536WZ-8KK9I-GYQYA
5IF0Q-G9Z4J-TZ3Q5
EWX76-6KBZB-NHLVV
That was made with a little underdog engine called Shiva, I was writing the plugins myself to start off with : ) Then collaborated with the engine devs for the final SteamVR plugin. It's an artificial movement gamepad thing, be warned
fresh laurel
@dusk vigil - Awesome - How did you like Shiva?
dusk vigil
Quite nice actually. The 1.9.2 engine is getting a bit dated but they are working on 2.0 version with modern shaders and PBR and so forth.
Basically it's lua scripting, plus option to code your own C++ plugins
fresh laurel
oh nice
dusk vigil
If I was not doing VR I would have stuck with it
fresh laurel
@dusk vigil - Going to give it a look at. I love engines
dusk vigil
Yeah, I took it up back a couple of years ago on a friends recommendation when Unity was still having all the separate publishing platforms with extra price tags. Shiva has the free version, and a paid Basic / Advanced version at one price. The 2.0 beta is currently still only for paid users though, but they are pretty much the same core underneath, and they are maintaining backwards compatibility, which is a pretty rare thing nowadays
fresh laurel
Yeah it is
native cedar
thing is, stat scenerendering is almost entirely off screen
dusk vigil
@native cedar The idea is to pump the info to a log I guess... What I do to get a quick idea of what is going on is have a widget attached to VRCamera with FPS - if one can access critical bits of the stat info, maybe it could be piped into the widget as well?
Hmm scandinavia's first VR arcade opening in Helsinki next month... Interesting
dusk vigil
Also, wouldn't the normal stat data be relevant even if running without VR mode?
native cedar
@dusk vigil thanks for the suggestion, I will look into that
for the next game jam I want to make a Vive game that runs on a 1050 with good sp
forward rendering, instanced stereo (if it helps), multires, lens matched rendering, single pass stereo, baked lights only (or no lights at all)
gimme those 90fps
wicked oak
dat Nvidia VRWorks fancyness
native cedar
well it's what we have
what scared me of Vr performance was the number of pixels, but there you go, lens matched rendering, multires
wicked oak
they are 2 implementations of a similar concept,you cant do both at once
lens matched rendering renders 4 views, in a way that it minimizes the lost pixels and gives more res to the center
multires is less optimal, but simpler
native cedar
whaaaaat
wicked oak
if only the VRWorks branch had SOME documentation explaining what it does...
native cedar
you can't use both?
wicked oak
nope
the idea is that it renders the world distorted to begin with
for that reason, the image is more pixel perfect after you put it through the lens shader
multires is more about varying resolutions
native cedar
just checked in my funhouse branch and it shows that they are both active
wait I'll do some test
yuck, can't disable it without restarting the engine and recompiling all shaders
thing is, I have it enabled in my project settings and the console confirms I am using it
BUT if I also enable multires via console command, the performance DOES increase
wicked oak
Solfarβs use of Lens Matched Shading in their Everest VR experience provides up to a 15% performance improvement over Multi-Res Shading, allowing the user to increase quality settings such as supersampling, weather effects and significantly improve the overall experience in VR.
they are saying that LMS is more like Multires 2.0
btw, are you on a 1000something gpu?
native cedar
which means either that all this lens matched is extremely subpar to multires or that it does work with it
I'm on a 1080
native cedar
Does everest use multires?
spring pond
sportsbarvr has multires
i can run it at 200 super sampling and ultra π
still doesn't look as good as the fwd renderer tho π¦
full junco
@spring pond well but can't you use both?
spring pond
eventually, i don't know if the nvidia branch has been updated
not sure how MSAA + multires work.
full junco
why should it affect that
spring pond
I guess I don't understand where multires takes part in the pipeline. I also haven't had enough coffee, I don't know why I suggested there would be some kind of conflict ^_^
β
wicked oak
been fiddling for a while, but finally managed to get traditional locomotion with a character movement component
in VR
and aware of head movement
and that doesnt let you go through walls
spring pond
nice, all from scratch?
Using movement components + VR is something I should work on. I've just been using teleport functionality baked right into the pawn for most stuff so far
wicked oak
not that from scratch, im using ACharacter as bas
plus normal plan character movemnt component
nice, you can fall off ledges
if you lean on them
full junco
so the capsule tracks the camera?
wicked oak
more or less
full junco
what if you lean into a wall?
full junco
surely feels bad
wicked oak
you dont normally go to lean against a wall
full junco
but walking through them is something I do all the time in the real world!
wicked oak
i should make this work on a more normal "neck" calculation
right now the capsule is straight down
so leaning offsets it
ill change it if it feels odd
this is for my next game, im doing a prototype
a multiplayer dungueon crawler, cooperative
ive given myself 10 days to build a playable prototype. Nothing more for now. I cant keep making a prototype for 3 months XD
full junco
lol
wicked oak
yeah, my idea is to do like what i did with DWVR, Shootout, VRMultigames
build a prototype, see if this can be followed
full junco
just create a twitter account for it, then you see if it can be followed
wicked oak
twitter accounts get ignored 100% of the time
and you needd some concept art
i dont have that
full junco
@wicked oak it was a joke. "can be followed"
wicked oak
ah
ive heard one thing
making an advert of the game
and advertise it on facebook/googleads
do it with 3-4 different versions of name/artstyle. Target it to your target demographic
you spend a bit of money, but you get invaluable stats
full junco
eh I dont wanna make a game because people like it, I wanna make a game because I like it
wicked oak
this was told to me by a mobile developer
they used it to sell their F2P stuff
you know how ruthless mobile dev is this days. Its why i dont want to touch it at all
its all marketing and trying to trick the whales
see Mario Run. Great game, polished to a perfect shine, by Nintendo
"wtf this is not free, wtf 10 dollars too expensive"
wintry escarp
$10 was ok, always on data requirement was not
wicked oak
quite a lot of the complains were against the price
i tried to play it, i cant
it crashes on launch
wintry escarp
its worthless on my ipod, I mainly play on the bus and it wont run without a data connection
same for ipad
full junco
well $10 is too much for a mobile game
I wouldnt pay anything for mobile games
but I don't like mobile games in general π
mighty carbon
Epic is just unf#cking believable when it comes to some Gear VR related bug reports.
(and that wasn't a compliment)
mighty carbon
I reported a bug, provided my project, then 3 days ago I get "please test it with clean project" and then today bug report is closed due to lack of response
I am afk and obviously this is holiday week, so I wouldn't expect too many people to be working
also heard a rumor that Paragon tanked badly
mighty carbon
on Twitter and on YouTube
not sure where else you expect to see ads nowadays
I think i saw it on Facebook too, but haven't really used Facebook lately
wintry escarp
i don't use twitter and only listen to music on youtube
mighty carbon
my guess is that Paragon was showing no promise already back in the days and that forced Epic to take on Oculus exclusive
just to think that another MOBA can top DOTA2 or LoL is ridiculous
I don't even know why they dove into that project
wintry escarp
they do better with a story driven unreal tournament
mighty carbon
It's like CliffyB going against Overwatch
anyhow, just really annoying how Epic doesn't want to go extra mile nowadays when all the stuff is given to them for a bug report for Gear VR
wintry escarp
prob see gearvr support wane as daydream starts to work on more phones
mighty carbon
Daydream sucks
wintry escarp
numbers rule, by end of 2017 it will be on a lot more than gearvr
mighty carbon
yes, it might be better to have more phones supporting it, but people already said it's nowhere near as good as Gear VR when it comes to tracking neither head nor controller
mighty carbon
it's a free game, isn't it? So they need whales to make money, and all whales are on LoL / DOTA 2
wicked oak
Epic took the oculus exclusive money becouse its easy money
i mean, if they pay the whole development upfront....
its free, you get skins
mighty carbon
so, f2p monetization relies on IAP, which is only like 1% of the audience who pour money into fp2
f2p
smaller total player numbers, less chance to have whales spending money in f2p game
wintry escarp
iap has to fuck off and die
storm vortex
@dusk vigil thanks for the game key. I took the 2nd one from the bottom since the last one didn't work. I thought they were all gone already.
dusk vigil
Welcome
storm vortex
@full junco @clever sky I got my project to package finally. If you run a packaged build you can still access the command line and manually open any levels that are in the build. So that answers that question.
storm vortex
@wicked oak thanks for tbe tip on that
clever sky
@storm vortex good to know
storm vortex
I was trying to fix my mirroring mode so it was widescreen instead of square. In the process I entered some commands that have made the mirror mode solid black. Entering back the default values don't seem to fix it. Has this happened to anyone else?
Edit: Needed to add
[SteamVR.Settings]
WindowMirrorMode=1
to my Engine.ini file in the saved directory.
odd garnet
Got something awesome for you guys tomorrow!
clever sky
Sounds exciting!
opal bobcat
anyone know if oculus rift chaperone system is supported in ue4 yet?
or is it mainly steam based at the moment?
silk lodge
@storm vortex there's fancy stuff you gotta do, there are a few writeups about it, search steamvr unreal widescreen
storm vortex
@silk lodge I tried changing a bunch of source code in the SteamVRHMD.cpp but none of the changes seemed to make a difference.
silk lodge
did you build?
storm vortex
I did make a package since I read it won't work in the editor
I built the VS Solution as well
I had to do a full clean build because seemed like it wasn't making a difference so I did an entire rebuild with these changes, (finding link)
silk lodge
I haven't done it yet
I'm ok with seeing all the player is seeing with 1 eye, but it would be nice to have an official patch that goes full size
storm vortex
I'd like full screen for recording demo footage
and cause I'm having a new years party at my house tomorrow and am going to have some people try it out
this looks promising
hmm that looks very close to what I did skipping through the video and it even worked in the editor for that person. I'll have to watch the full thing to see if i missed a step
wicked oak
ill have a look to get that working in my game
Oculus uses HMD mirror 4 wich is fulscreen
dusky moon
I'm surprised if it fixes the issue by just commenting those lines , why didn't epic do that yet ?!
mighty carbon
I hope Epic doesn't meet fate of CryTek
(UE4 market share is still tiny compare to Unity; TimS bashes MS instead of embracing the market; Paragon might not be doing too good; etc.)
hard light
"TimS bashes MS instead of embracing the market"
lol, what market? Almost nobody is selling games on the Windows Store, and almost nobody is buying them either
you'd have to be an idiot to buy into yet another Microsoft digital ecosystem at this point
it's not like any of their other digital storefronts have exactly stood the test of time now
wintry escarp
looks like winphone is officially dead as of yesterday
mighty carbon
Windows Store is a good place to be right now
and with Windows 10 on ARM, it will be a good place anyway
with Steam being a swamp, Windows Store provides that opportunity
(to be in a place without saturation)
@wintry escarp it might be dead, but Samsung patented dual boot, so I can see Windows 10 desktop being on S8 and newer tabs from Samsung
wintry escarp
would be cool but I don't see that happening
mighty carbon
I actually see it happening
wintry escarp
MS would have to give win10 away for it to have any chnace
mighty carbon
that's was the whole idea behind Qualcomm+MS making it happen
wintry escarp
Samsung top end don't use QUALCOMM here
looks like only usa does
S7 beta program is finished
mighty carbon
USA and China do
and S8 hasn't been announced yet, so there is a good chance all S8 will be Qualcomm
wintry escarp
I wonder why they don't just use exynos everywhere
i really wish theyd bring back the fm radio
it costs them next to nothing
mighty carbon
FM Radio?! When are you now?
I haven't listened to FM for ages. Listen to Pandora most of the times nowadays.
wintry escarp
i have 150mb data a month, that's a bout 2 hours of internet radio
FM radio rules, 100s of channels and no data usage
hard light
Windows 10 store being a good place to be :')
Literally nobody cares about it. After something like three PC game digital disasters, nobody trusts Microsoft an more, for good reason. And that's only games, things like Mine really also don't help.
*Zune.
wintry escarp
zune was killed by only being released in n.america
odd garnet
Guys go check out #work-in-progress on my VR game!
real needle
@odd garnet How did packaging break the project?
odd garnet
Looked like something in the engine got corrupted?
tons of errors and then I was unable to open anything
real needle
What engine version are you in? Rocket or source?
I have never heard of anything like it
odd garnet
4.14.1, when I opened it in source the Engine had a ton of errors
real needle
Ah so yeah. A project that gets migrated to a source build can definitely cause issues
odd garnet
No it had already been open in source and everything.
real needle
Did you package in the source version?
odd garnet
No I packaged in the Engine
real needle
You mean launcher build?
odd garnet
Editor i think is the right word?
real needle
Ok so let's back up. My first question was if you're working in a version of the engine that has been compiled from source (downloaded from github, you compile it), or if you were working in a version of the engine downloaded from the launcher (aka launcher build/rocket build)
odd garnet
Oh okay, then Rocket/Launcher.
real needle
When people refer to the engine as "source" they usually mean a version that you compiled
odd garnet
I'll remember that
real needle
So, you packaged, and then when you opened the project it had a ton of errors?
odd garnet
It failed the packaging due to unknown cook error
and force quit the editor
(why is it called rocket?)
real needle
Hehe, because it's a "faster" workflow for designers
They don't need to worry about Visual Studio, they just double click the .uproject and the editor works
If the packaging fails, just redoing work is not guaranteed to fix it, and seems quite cumbersome
You should look at the .log file that always gets written and see what the errors were
Sometimes it's an easy fix such as "filename too long"
Or that a file isn't set to be writeable
Are you using source control?
odd garnet
Well It only took a day sigh
real needle
And it then packaged just fine?
odd garnet
Yeah it works 100% now, even fixed some minor bugs.
Source Control, no.
Oh wow Source Control seems good
Like the game so far tho?
real needle
There doesnt seem to be much of a game? Mostly just exploring?
odd garnet
Oh well PvP works for now
real needle
I didn't see that part
real needle
I would suggest you work on a couple of nausea reducing options if you're sticking with the trackpad locomotion
real needle
Oh and get some audio in, it's terribly boring watching gameplay without audio :b
odd garnet
Same lol
I told my partner to put some audio in and he was like "eh"
SFX are needed too
real needle
You're gonna have to do some research to properly work with spatialized replicated (and non replicated) audio
I've been converting our sniper game to be multiplayer for the past couple of months and everything takes 3x as long when you're new to networking
Especially when you're testing on your own
odd garnet
yeah replication could be easier
Spatialized audio is just attenuation settings and spatialize selected yeah?
plus making sure sound is mono
real needle
I think it returns an error if the source is stereo and you try to spatialize it
I've actually never done it lol. I'm pretty adamant about all assets being mono (except ui sounds)
You can spatialize stereo though!
But it's another setting
I would recommend using Oculus HRTF
It's better then the built in
And it's Open source so you can use it for the vive/steam
Just need the oculus plugin enabled
odd garnet
When we get a grant, production quality will go up 100%
It's just me and another working on it right now
real needle
Where are you looking to search for one?
odd garnet
Austin Texas native, so there's a lot of tech / software grants here
Also Epic's Dev grants
real needle
Yeah it's been me and an artist for the past year. Remember that hiring devs is expensive and requires quite a bit of organization
odd garnet
We'd probably contract some people when we need them
We can do In house, modeling, texturing, design, and a lot of stuff
but neither of us can do sound design
real needle
Happy New Years to all the VR devs that can't let go of their projects!
scenic slate
Hey! I am not very good at math (too bad!), but has anyone come up with some solution for relatively rotate object when interacting with motion controller? Like, there would be a round turnable button (might be a safe or similar). When player interacts with it, he/she could rotate motion controller and the button would rotate same amount. Any idea where to start cracking this?
odd garnet
You probably should have it go through a timeline. Then based on the controllers relative rotation it plays a specific part of that timeline
zinc violet
I don't get how timelines would help there
just figure out the relative rotation on knobs direction and apply the same rotation to the knob
opal bobcat
@scenic slate you could do it in c++ using the rotation vector deltas between the current rotation and the start rotation
you could isolate it to a single axis
zinc violet
or in blueprints...
opal bobcat
yeah, if you're into blueprints
silk lodge
@odd garnet How's the VR scene in Austin?
silk lodge
are there places to hang and meet vr folks and vr party?
odd garnet
Yeah, there are local game dev meetups.
there is VR Austin Jam which was last month
also meets bi monthly
but ive never gone
Owlchemy Labs started it
silk lodge
cool
silk lodge
what's your spt score @odd garnet
odd garnet
Below 100000
:c
I think it's like 26k?
I would have to jack in to check
Some people are crazy good at that game
odd garnet
jeeeez
scenic slate
@opal bobcat thanks for the tip. Finally, it was rather easy. Just needed to get the relative rotation of controller when interacting. Then i constantly did Vector - Vector (begin rotation, current rotation) and feeded that into actor i wanted to rotate. Then delta rotated between the actors current rotator combined to rotation i feeded.
waxen solstice
I'm having a problem selecting destructible actors while doing VR editing. Anyone else see this?
real needle
This is awesome: https://github.com/ue4plugins/StreetMap
waxen solstice
I was playing with that earlier but it keeps crashing when I try to load my osm file
Where do plugins write their stack traces when they force close UE?
real needle
@waxen solstice Is it bigger than 2gb?
Unreal only supports 2gb files to be imported
waxen solstice
31.5 MB
waxen solstice
let me validate the xml is valid
just to make sure there are no corruptions in the file or something odd like that
seems fine
mighty carbon
The less Chinese plastic Cardboards on the market, the better
opal bobcat
vanishing realms is lots of fun
i'd put it second to i expect you to die for pure fun in a vr title
odd garnet
@scenic slate @opal bobcat How long is the gameplay?
scenic slate
Player one and a half hour.. So far good.
It's entertaining to look the hidden treasures
wicked oak
first prototype video of the dungueon crawler im making
dev days, 2
yesterday and today
sorry, 3
wicked oak
what are you working on?
odd garnet
Why are you always looking so far down when you're shooting your arrow
Dungeon Crawler as well
wicked oak
just the capture stuff
odd garnet
using the same assests
wicked oak
lol
odd garnet
Hey I mean theyre good assets
odd garnet
Oculus or Vive?
odd garnet
Ahh we're going for the low poly look
wicked oak
and i see if i can get something like it working on PSVR
literally everyone making a dungueon crawler thiss days or what
odd garnet
Maybe make it so you can't spam arrows that hard
wicked oak
ill leave it like that but make them much less strong
odd garnet
lol
wicked oak
or ill do like in VRmultigames and tie the force of the shot to the lenght of the bow draw
anyway, ill have a sword and shield class too, coop game
wicked oak
this one is "on hold" due to not having a team to design the levels
odd garnet
I love that you have the force tho
wicked oak
the crawler game is a different thing becouse the level design part is decreased a lot
beetween the simple style and the fact that i can focus on 1 module at a time
and rng the level layout
you can try that game right now, btw
its published as part of VRMultigames
works best on oculus, but it will run on a vive
odd garnet
You should be able to ragdoll the bodies with the force
and be able to force anything
It's just super cool
noble crater
GPU visualizer is saying 2ms for tranlucency - ive changed all translucent materials to opaque and it hasnt changed. what am I missing?
using forward rendering with MSAA if it makes a difference
wicked oak
@odd garnet you can
i think
disabled becouse if you force the bodies you cant force the weapons into your hand
wicked oak
i was thinking of making the teleportin be push, pull, and "levitate"
maybe with the joystick
like I Expect You To die does, but more "gamey"
digital marlin
Need some VR opinions
Does placing objects feel better when it 'clicks' rather than just relying on physics and placement?
By clicks I mean getting an object close enough to a particular area that it places itself on a defined transform - think the slotting of a card into a machine ala Job Simulator.
real needle
@digital marlin You can probably get the "feel" to be right for both, but it's much easier to make sure that the logic doesn't break if you're not relying on physics
A nice lerp will also be a simple indication that the action succeeded, and the player will remember it
clever sky
@digital marlin lerp to position would be my preferred way. Physics and placement is wonky as hell for fine position work.
Fine for general positioning.
limber rose
Hi all, curious if anyone ha scome across an elegant solution for avoiding the "SteamVR Waiting Room" when loading levels? I found SuspendRendering in the openvr code, but really have no idea how to implement it
digital marlin
@clever sky @real needle Cool. I'll try that out and see how it goes.
limber rose
/** Temporarily suspends rendering (useful for finer control over scene transitions). */
virtual void SuspendRendering( bool bSuspend ) = 0; from openvr.h
clever sky
Expose it to BP in C++ and call it on level load? π
Does anyone have a walkthrough guide for getting stuff on steam?
It turns out making a 15-20 minute video is a pretty big task π
but finally coming to a close.
mighty carbon
btw, I remember @wicked oak said something about Chinese banning games with skeletons... Doesn't seem to be true: https://www.techinasia.com/china-doesnt-censor-skeletons-the-truth-about-game-censorship-in-the-middle-kingdom
digital marlin
Can Event Dispatchers work with BP generated elements or do they have to be in game and referenced before runtime?
Like, in this example he's referenceing the BP variable
but he'd have to create the reference to the variable to begin with, no? But if that's so, then what's the point?
midnight tree
has anybody had issues with level streaming and the nav mesh not working properly?
ok looks like we dont really need streaming levels
its more for open worlds and what not
so disregard
real needle
@midnight tree Level Streaming is good for more stuff than just open worlds. It allows you to carry over connections and data. If not then clients has to reconnect after the new level load, which can cause some issues. Streaming is also much faster
midnight tree
gotcha
so its wiser to go that route?
the game im working on is singleplayer (potentially local multiplayer)
but
i found the dynamic nav mesh rebuild that solved my issue
im just curious if that hurts performance
besides level changes there wont be much nav mesh changes, so i reckon it would only impact on level load
real needle
@midnight tree It's what the documentation says π Yes, and then memory but you would need a very large nav mesh for it to impact heavily afaik
midnight tree
ok so you reckon it should be fine? default it checked nav mesh every .5 seconds. i upped it to every second, but i could probably even do every 5 or 10
zinc violet
they've been busy, now their android <-> pc app simulates SteamVR too
and that PSVR (separate app though)
real needle
Alternatives are good
zinc violet
just tested the steamvr hacks, trinus is really hacky
vridge seems pretty solid but it doesn't have much options
for example, I just tested adrift on cardboard and it worked surprisingly well with gamepad + steamvr emulation
of course, it's not the real deal π
but we are talking now 15β¬ sw + similar amount of money for the headset so you can't ask too much
I got steamvr running on unreals VR preview too on this setup
hard light
Not overly convinced by that one
if you're going to do holographic, do it projected and tethered, then I might be interested
until then, this is just another headset without motion controller support, that can't run most of the holographic AR apps anyway
so what's the point?
cobalt relic
Everyone is going to try existing in VR
cobalt relic
It's good that companies are trying different approaches
wicked oak
ive had a lenovo laptop, and knew people that did
they are trash
and they installed virus on them by default
cobalt relic
Yeah
wicked oak
on the goddamn BIOS
wicked oak
but HTC is a mass market phone company, they are closer to the tech needed by headsets
cobalt relic
I had to wipe texts regularly, because opening a conversation took 10minutes if I didn't
wicked oak
an all-in-one samsung one would be interesting
but they have the gearVr already, doubt they want to give stuff to microsoft
acer is probably going to be interesting, wonder what they give
cobalt relic
VR is going to be like smartphone,s with plenty of different ideas thrown around until people standardize
wicked oak
and asus
cobalt relic
VR/AR
In 5 years you will probably have two or three big brands with 90% of the market and a similar setup
wicked oak
oculus is doing their own inside-out headset
they might release it for windows holographic + their own store
or let hte normal oculus work with that
next pebble
I just want to see an in person demo of magic leap
although from the sounds, they may not even have a comercial product in 5 years time
next pebble
Yeah, but i`m highly skepital
hard light
problem with inside-out tracking is that it doesn't work with motion controllers
I mean, it's nice in theory, but it breaks what is (IMHO) one of the most important parts of the immersive experience
mighty carbon
Why do you need inside-out tracking with tether to PC?
hard light
for VR I don't want inside-out tracking at all because then motion controllers don't work
for AR, I want tethering because otherwise your rendering hardware is either too weak to do anything meaningful, or too heavy to be comfortable
mighty carbon
Well, afaik Oculus for inside out tracking working for untethered version of Rift
Which is probably going to be as powerful as one of those new Qualcomm SoCs (835?)
@wicked oak did you see the article I linked earlier about skeletons in games in China?
wicked oak
link again?
mighty carbon
wintry escarp
we don't get snapdragon samsunh phones, any news about new exynos?
umbral imp
So in VR I have a gun seperated out into seperate static mesh components. How do I ineract with all of the seperate components? I can't do attach to (with for example the bolt) since that will seperate the bolt mesh from the parent mesh. Do I use collision spheres to find the closest component then just snap my hand to the location of the sphere? Then to simulate a bolt pullback I would somehow use a physics constraint tied to hand movement? What is the best way to do that?
mighty carbon
btw, https://github.com/WindyDarian/Vulkan-Forward-Plus-Renderer#vfpr---a-vulkan-forward-plus-renderer
I wonder if UE4 would benefit from this kind of renderer
mighty carbon
I see
It's hard to say whether it's accurate enough tracking or not
(I don't think so)
If Nolo VR will deliver accurate tracking at $100, I think this VRTracker project will unfortunately die
I wish Epic was more transparent when it comes to engine features and why some of it isn't going to make it into UE4 (distance-based LOD for example)
storm vortex
@mighty carbon It would be cool to know what's coming in the future for the forward rendering. Now that I'm starting to get into the level building portion of dev I'm seeing some of the limitations now. Things like adding trees with the forward rendering causes strange lighting on them as they go into the distance. Characers solid black in lighting if they are in shadows. (That might just be something else) I'm tempted to switch back to the deferred rendering pipeline to see if it fixes the issues. Also artifacts on the horizon when using some post process effects
real needle
Someone here with Oculus Touch and 3D Widget Experience? I have an issue
wicked oak
Second video of the DGN prototype
the player is a client on a server
more players can join
native cedar
Wait ue4 is on forward plus?
native cedar
Cooooool
mighty carbon
odd garnet
Can you make it so you're looking a bit more up @wicked oak
odd garnet
It's just hard to see anything
wicked oak
on some parts i look up, so it lookss better on vide
i think next one will be done as monoscopic stretched and fuckit
opal bobcat
anyone had issues playing their oculus project outside of the editor?
ok found the solution run it on command line with -vr
anyone know what i would put in an ini file to get that happenign automatically? or would it be in project preferences...
storm vortex
@opal bobcat there is a setting in the project preferences to start in VR. I had to use that for the Vive for packaged products. I'm not sure if the same is true for Oculus.
opal bobcat
i'll look around for it, thanks
yeah that did the trick its starting beautifully
only 768mb small!
digital marlin
tiny
opal bobcat
it could almost fit on a cd
digital marlin
haha CD Rom
opal bobcat
gets down to about 415mb fully compressed, not horrible
storm vortex
How long does it take to build?
storm vortex
wow thats fast, mine is an hour the first time and then about 25 minutes each time afterwards
opal bobcat
i have 99% c++ code and 1% bp
storm vortex
mines very unoptimized though
storm vortex
yeah a ton of marketcontent im not even using yet just to play with
opal bobcat
my content is minimal, im basicaly creating content on the fly at runtime
mighty carbon
is anyone here with Gear VR (besides smilertoo) ?
urban shell
has anyone successfully implemented entitlement checks on the rift and passed submission with 4.14?
real needle
@urban shell No, but on the topic is: If Rift user is playing through steam, GetHmdDeviceName returns "SteamVR". Which is the platform, not necessarily the device
Are you planning for that scenario?
opal bobcat
im doing laser pointer vr interactions right now and i keep thinking of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN4AcFzxtdE
clever sky
That song reminds me of flying on a plane as a kid.
Which you could indirectly associate with laser pointers.
real needle
@opal bobcat I prefer "physically" interacting with the menus, pointers can a little wobbly and inaccurate when there are many buttons
clever sky
Funnily enough, I'm the opposite. I prefer pointers over 'physically' reaching out to grab things.
real needle
Zaptruder mode!
clever sky
Well. I guess the main point of difference is I prefer my menus large.
Large so they're easily readable.
And large menus mean having to reach large distances.
Easiest when using a pointer.
Also avoids the wobbly jittering problem of hitting many small buttons.
real needle
Yes that size of menu wouldn't really work within 1m :b
clever sky
My own menus are set around... 1-1.2m away from the user. They're also about 1-1.2m wide.
mighty carbon
S8 is going to be a beast!
and hopefully with new Gear VR mobile VR will be a bit closer to desktop VR in terms of visuals
wintry escarp
so you think Samsung might drop exynos on the S8 and do snapdragon only?
mighty carbon
I wouldn't know, but I doubt Samsung has anything like Snapdragon 835
and to be ahead of Apple, they need that power
so, I hope they use new Snapdragon across the board
tribal citrus
How would you guys tackle the facial animation problem in VR? Just track the eyes to your own HMD and morphtarget the rest of the face or is there a better/easier/more detailed solution without any new hardware. If not would it be worth investing in some sort of facial tracking hardware for this reason you think?
Keep in mind we're still students and have no prior knowledge of this workflow, cheers!
wicked oak
there is a better case
dont
thats why pretty much all oculus avatars wear eye-wear
actually lifelike players in VR is super creepy, becouse it runs straight into the uncanny valley
if we add eye motion + face animation to our VR models, it will be super creepy
might be usable if we use stylized models
but not realistic models, they will run straight into uncanny valley
mighty carbon
stylized would work really well
think of Deus Ex or Dishonored art style
(or something even more simple that those)
or anime art style
tribal citrus
Oh sorry forgot, yeah we have a stylized aesethics
disney-esqe characters
will the workflow I described work or should I look for something else?
tribal citrus
well people need to try though huh? I assume you're talking about eye tracking.
We're trying to use Ikinema as a budget mocap and hopefully will be able to half-done replicate emotions via the other protagonist
that you see ingame
wintry escarp
motorsep did you solve your gearvr issue?
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp which one ?
wintry escarp
you were looking for gearvr owners last night
mighty carbon
oh, I wanted to see of anyone wants to work on a project with me π
mighty carbon
I think it would be cool if S8 used Exynos CPU and Nvidia Tegra P1 GPU (or X2, whatever they use for Parker) built into Gear VR
can you guys please upvote this https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-39989 ?
graceful junco
Is it a bad idea to disable the late update of the motion controllers? Will people notice?
I mean using the DisableLowLatencyUpdate flag.
wicked oak
people does notice
go look at Raw Data stuff
they dont do late update, and they do it the "classic way" of just setting the position directly instead of parenting stuff
thus, raw data has a laggy hand
graceful junco
Ok. But then I have an issue with my laser pointer and late updates. The laser pointer is attached to the motion controller. I trace every frame and I move a mesh to the hit location. If that mesh is not attached to the motion controller, it lags behind. If it is attached, that mesh gets rotated when the controller rotates, which I don't want to happen.
wintry escarp
did you finish your desert wandering game?
graceful junco
Specifically it's a plane, which indicates the teleport location. The plane gets late updates and rotates when the controller rotates, which makes it clip through the floor and introduces visual bugs. I need the plane to always stay parallel to the floor, which doesn't work by setting it each frame, cause of the late update.
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp that wasn't a game. It was suppose but be an experience, but I can't get steady performance across the board. And I don't want to dumb down visuals for that project. So there is a good chance it won't pass Oculus certification. Therefore I had to think of something else and good thing I am still full of ideas π
opal bobcat
@real needle yeah that happens a little bit but i havent had too much trouble with it, and when you're building a file picker you need lots of buttons, i make sure and use highlighting so that the user knows what its pressing as it presses down.
@real needle also my menus are very close to the user, infact they're attatched to one of the controllers
kinda like how tiltbrush does it
mighty carbon
urban shell
@real needle i haven't built any code that checks for rift use on a steam platform...hm...i guess this causes complications.
rare violet
hey guys, my HMD camera all of a sudden started being super weird, the chaperone grid follows my rotation, same with a lot of the level...the rotation seems offset from where it is supposed to be. Can't see much of a difference between this setup and a working one from many commits back...any ideas what may be causing weird rotation/world issues?
mighty carbon
Vive was not meant to last /me hides
rare violet
lol
opal bobcat
nice, now i have laser pointer resize at a distance working
so i can manipulate vr objects both up close and at a distance
my force powers are growing!
now for teleportation
rare violet
π
south summit
is there a good solution for a drawing board in vr?
normal thorn
what do you guys think, should I post my steam store as coming soon? or just wait until its approved?
app is "Your app build is in the review queue"
mighty carbon
is 1/2 mm good enough positional tracking accuracy ?
wintry escarp
riftcat would be good if it made gearvr appear as a desktop hmd to ue4
uneven moon
hey guys, I'm using a level someone else built and I threw in my own pain (VR motion controller pawn) but when I hit play, it starts in spectator mode and I can fly around. How do I make it so that on game start, it uses my VR pawn by default?
normal thorn
did you set your pawn in the game mode?
set your game mode in the project settings>maps & modes>default game mode
in your game mode default pawn class = your pawn
uneven moon
Ah okay, will try now
Hmm
@normal thorn I don't see a 'Maps & Modes' option under project settings
Nvm, found it
I set it to 'GameMode' but all the options under that are greyed out and I can't change the default pawn class
'DefaultPawn' is selected
If I set the default gamemode to 'RenderToTexture_Game' it lets me adjust the rest, not sure what this one is for though
mighty carbon
5 Million units, Carl !!!
that's pretty cool http://uploadvr.com/vive-tracker-reveal-ces-2017/
dry shell
vocal maple
Hi guys. I have a general problem with vr. My headset is htc vive. I can run a scene with graphics set to Epic without vr and everything works with no issues at all, but then I run it in vr and even with all settings set to low I experience severe stuttering and lag. General performance fixers like changing materials to remove transparancy and that kind of stuff helps, but then I still get unexplainable stuttering in some places. Is that kind of performance drop expected with vr or am I just doing something wrong like forgetting to change some setting for vr?
This is the scene I am using now: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/castle-fortress . No matter what graphics settings I change, I still experience stuttering. I also removed the flags and made the glass opaque. Also removed the rocks because their shader complexity was very high. Overall, this scene is 18,392,000 tris. Should I do something to improve my performance in this scene or is this scene just too complex for vr?
storm vortex
@vocal maple In my limited experience with the Vive and Unreal I have found that transparent materials like glass totally kill performance.
I'm able to get away with sprites with transparency but for some reason some of the glass materials I have tried using are total killers
vocal maple
I noticed that too. I also looked at the map through the shader complexity view and got it to all be green. But still I get stuttering. How do you look for what is causing the stuttering?
real needle
zinc violet
storm vortex
@vocal maple I haven't looked into GPU profiling yet. So far I just remove offending graphics when it is obvious to be the lag inducer.
So far glass was the only big one for me. I had a feeling it was the transparency so I just got lucky.
Are you using the forward renderer?
vocal maple
I am on 4.14.1, is it enabled by default?
storm vortex
I don't think it is. You can check in the project settings just search "forward"
real needle
no not by default
vocal maple
wow, thanks. I will check all my performance again now, maybe it will really improved it. Do you guys know of any other "checkmarks" like that that improve performance?
storm vortex
I think that was the only one I have checked, I would love to know if there are others though π
clever sky
Battery life reports of TPCast is a bit inconsistent.
I've seen 1.5 hours, 2 hours, 5 hours. Which is it?!
Also hot swappable battery packs.
Can I assume it's 5 hours with both battery packs?
storm vortex
I was wondering if they would be swappable
I don't mind the cord myself, but I'd love to have wireless for when I demo to people
clever sky
Or maybe I (or other people reporting it) are getting wires crossed with other wireless devices.
Yeah, I'm gonna get the wireless and the headstrap
Will be a nice combo for demoing.
storm vortex
That headstrap alone looks really comfortable
clever sky
Also, build a new mini PC
The headphones are a big win for me.
That's the thing I like about the Rift most... don't have to futz around with headphones.
Even though I've got a great pair
it's still an extra 10-15 seconds of futzing around.
storm vortex
I hope they don't charge over $100 for it but I'm not holding my breath. I'm going to bet around $150
clever sky
Yeah, I don't expect it to be cheap either.
storm vortex
+$40 in shipping π©
clever sky
Anyone going for the puck?
storm vortex
I saw a picture of some VR rifle. I'd like to get one of those.
full junco
I want good headphones in vr from some company that knows how to build headphones (Sennheiser, beyerdynamic etc) and not some trash from HTC or oculus
storm vortex
That puck looks way bulkier than what I was expecting something like that
full junco
so I don't really see why someone should use inbuilt headphones
clever sky
The puck is... a pretty good solution for VR accessories TBH.
@full junco Too many 'audiophiles' hating on the Rift headphones.
But there's a nice upside to using Rift headphones.
And that's - audio engineers can design audio around the presence of the headphones.
It's a known quantity!
full junco
Also, if you're not in a quiet environment you need closed headphones for a great experience
clever sky
True. But most people would use VR in a relatively quiet environment.
And for use cases like trade shows and public demos
You really want headphones like the Rifts... so that it makes less contact with people's ears.
full junco
well I don't really care about public demos
clever sky
But I know what you mean. I have creaky floodboards
full junco
if someone can pay $1000 for a good vr headset he can probably also pay $500 for good headphones, and thats worth it
clever sky
I have $400 IEMs.
They're great. Strong passive noise isolation.
I just appreciate convenience more I guess.
full junco
well everyone should use what he likes most, but it was definitely great that htc didnt include headphones with the vive, that would have been a waste of money since people who pay $1000 for a VR headset definitely have great headphones usually
and I'm a bit disappointed that htc didn't show a new vive at CES... I mean, not even a prototype
hard light
@clever sky - there are two different battery packs for the TPCast, one that lasts between 1.5-2 hours, and one that is much heavier and lasts 4-5 hours
clever sky
@hard light thanks for the info. Makes sense now.
real needle
@storm vortex I helped develop the UE4 plugin for that rifle and we're also the first game to release on their arcades π
I guess it's safe to say now that I've also tried the puck
It worked out of the box with UE, but UE still doesn't allow for more than two tracked controllers at a time. Hoping that'll be fixed soon
By default*
storm vortex
@real needle That's pretty cool. I saw your game and maybe you in some promo video for that game the other day.
real needle
@storm vortex There are two rifles we're supporting
We were in a video for the IliumVR aka "Athena"
The puck is implemented on the VR-15
storm vortex
Does the magazine come out all the way on those controllers or just enough to give them impression and then let you push it back in?
zinc violet
I'd love to have more universal replacement headphones that would allow the same ease of use
oops, this wasn't scrolled down again
real needle
@storm vortex On the Ilium or VR-15?
@zinc violet I've seen some awesome mods for the vive, doing a similar design as the rift
zinc violet
well, they just announced there will be "deluxe audio straps" for vive
which is kinda same deal
real needle
That looks like more than headphones!
This is what I love about the vive, it was engineered to be modified
zinc violet
isn't rifts headphones detachable too?
although since they have amps built in, you are kinda missing one part already if you have like a proper DAC
zinc violet
I like closed headphones myself
real needle
Comfortable to not have to do the second step of finding/putting on headphoens
zinc violet
they "immerse" me more even at regular monitor
and I don't know much about VR, just following the news around it
dusky moon
I'm super happy with the Audio Strap , because it removes ones step from the setup process of VR experience in Exhibitions ... means volunteers who run your experience get less confused π
that's why I had less problems with the Rift compared to Vive in the festivals that I had exhibitions
real needle
@dusky moon You should see the demos of the nest at CES, they need to put on the vive, headphones, a custom sub-pac and hand them a rifle that weighs as much as a real one
dusky moon
@real needle lol , I won't complain anymore!
hard light
I have a pair of wireless 7.1 headphones that fit under the normal Vive strap
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
real needle
@hard light Oooh under the strap, that's nice
I didn't take that into consideration when I got the Steelseries 800
I thought about demo circumstances (and being able to wander around when on conference calls). Wired headphones are cumbersome when having several people use the hmd
hard light
headphones are a nuisance in general when demoing VR it seems
real needle
@fresh laurel What is "Loom(VR)"?
Not necessarily asking you as you know, but I saw it under Workstation software
I'm not sure if this is the same thing, but it's a great idea: http://www.loomvr.com/
fresh laurel
@real needle I do not know
wicked oak
Vega having scalable floating point operations is HUGE
only Tesla cards have that
where they have good performance on half precision and 8bit precision
it also seems to scale directly, at least for what those slides say
so half precision is x2 speed
and those Primitive shaders look interesting
i wonder how are they going to expose it, or if it will a "automatic" compile time merge of the vertex and the geometry shader
mighty carbon
mighty carbon
@wicked oak is 1/2 mm positional tracking accuracy good enough ?
wintry escarp
motorsep you've used ue4 and unity, are ue4s physics more accurate?
hard light
it's identical
mighty carbon
I have no idea @wintry escarp
what do you even mean by "accurate" ?
(also I haven't really used physics aside from cube falling on top of another cube)
wintry escarp
unity cant seem to even do breakout properly, ball keeps going into a flat bounce which should be impossible
zinc violet
sure it can
unity runs almost same version of physx as UE4 but that doesn't mean they act the same
unity just upgraded their physx into 3.3.3
ue4 has been running 3.3.4 for a year already and on 4.14 they upgraded into physx 3.4
so unitys physx version is now 2 years behind
but that's not the biggest difference
biggest difference is that Unity actually tries to run physx at fixed timestep where unreal steps physics (by default) only on each time, so it varies based on your framerate
and that's really bad for the physics sim accuracy
you can't make physics sim that would work just the same on two different computers when you do things like that
ue4 has substepping option but it's still synced to tick, it only allows you to add additional physics steps on lower framerates
mighty carbon
folks, let's upvote this one please https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-40237
zinc violet
that sounds pretty trivial thing to avoid though
mighty carbon
that's shouldn't be worked around
setting variable to itself is a common practice
hell, Doom 3 engine code has that stuff all over the place
hard light
why would you do that on construction?
zinc violet
I don't get that either
you could do it on begin play
or if you just want to set var yourself, do it in the editor
mighty carbon
because it's needed to build stuff in the Editor ?
zinc violet
there are lots of things that don't work on packaged builds when you do them on construction script
mighty carbon
that's not for runtime
wintry escarp
no way to set a bp to be conditionally compiled based on platform is there?
hard light
sadly not
full junco
vega looks very nice
wintry escarp
is there a stream?
mighty carbon
no love
inland acorn
Argh... Behavior Trees and AI drive me nuts sometimes...
this is so terrible to debug in VR.
Debugging anyway is terrible in VR.
This is realy the worst
mighty carbon
why not to test it and debug in PIE ?
wicked oak
at least its not multiplayer in VR
inland acorn
does PIE any differnt than breakpoints?`I work with breakpoints and print strings all the time...
my forehead does physicaly ache from all the HMD up, HMD down all the time...
stupid question, as soon as I set the focus to UEeditor to see PIE data, then the whole show stops because the HMD is not tracked anymore
is there a setting I am missing?
mighty carbon
well, for once you don't need to put HMD on when working in PIE π
playing rather
inland acorn
ok, I see what you mean... I am beyhond that point right now.. the normal stuff works... but I need to get the AI right so the skeletons parry my VR Pawns sword attacks... so i need the controllers
Argh... I found the mistake... lol.. this may be interesting for you, too. I am standing in an narrow corridor.. And I am sitting 2m left from the center of the chaperone playarea. This way, if you focus the pawn from an AI, this center was outside of the corridor... Lesson learned: double tripple quadrouple check if everyone is aiming for the camera
mighty carbon
π
opal bobcat
lars: i just cover the little sensor by the light with my finger
if i dont want to put on my rift
for the vive i never noticed anything like that, i could just hold it in my hand
inland acorn
do you start the debugger in the VR Preview mode? and do you get an extra window for the VR presentation as I do?
odd garnet
Any updates on Vive Mixed reality in Ue4?
Im reading a lot of stuff about it being in 4.13
ebon scaffold
Anyone know if there is a marketplace item released or in development, where motion controllers in-game animate based on physical real world button presses?
I know a lot of Unity games have it, not sure if they have something on their marketplace or if it's in the engine by default.
wintry escarp
anyone here tried the ue4 remote plugin?
graceful junco
@ebon scaffold, This VR template has animated trigger buttons and trackpad. It's rather easy to do. https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?106609-Steam-VR-Template
ebon scaffold
Thank you @graceful junco !
opal bobcat
i havent animated my controllers yet
but i just got my teleportation system working
thats all the features i had for milestone1 huzzah
silk lodge
there some sort of network capable vive pawn online somewhere, anybody know where it's located?
storm vortex
opal bobcat
@inland acorn i start in vr preview mode for quick testing, i get an extra window for vr presentation also
real needle
@wintry escarp No but I want it!
wintry escarp
I might use my Β£25 refund on it
I'm guessing that's why its priced just under the refund amount
midnight tree
gents is it possible to make a local MP game where 1 player is on the desktop and 1 on the VR HMD? i've read conflicting stories so far
clever sky
@full junco Fair enough. But that's like only one better than - no π
uneven moon
I'm still trying to implement the Motion Controllers template mechanics into a different map that was not built for VR. They are all in one project. I open up the map that I do want and I can drop in the VR pawn but when I figure out a way to set it up to play on the headset, it doesn't look good, the stereoscopic is all messed up and it's unbearable so I'm doing something wrong.
Does anyone know how I can go about implementing this? Thanks!
wintry escarp
no idea, I only have gearvr and that's basically on or off
clever sky
@uneven moon Can you provide more information? What map? Standard pawn? Can you take a headset mirrored screenshot or video of the problem?