#virtual-reality | Unreal Source | Page 66

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:09 PM

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those 150k gamers are all rich and need games

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:09 PM

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you can see the stats

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raw data is pretty much how perfect you can go

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it got something more than 1 million dollas

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1 million dollas for a AA or AAA game company is nothing

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i mean, RoboRecall has a budget of 4 million dollars

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paid by Oculus upfront

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:10 PM

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they paid it upfront?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:10 PM

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yes

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:10 PM

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where did you read that?

clever sky Dec 17, 2016, 7:10 PM

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10

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10million

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:10 PM

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more than Gears of War 1

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on budget

clever sky Dec 17, 2016, 7:11 PM

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Same amount.

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:11 PM

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Oculus is smart, they are paying them to make the UE4 engine much better for VR too

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that way indie ue4 games are higher quality

clever sky Dec 17, 2016, 7:11 PM

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Yeah.

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:11 PM

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what?

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they pay to make ue4 better? you mean indirectly by something like robo recall?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:11 PM

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interesting detail. Most PSVR games are ue4

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the private forums for ue4 in ps4 are mostly PSVR lately

clever sky Dec 17, 2016, 7:12 PM

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I don't think Robo Recall actually cost Epic 10 mil to produce. But it's what Oculus paid them for exclusivity and loss of earnings

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from making it free.

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:12 PM

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Ue4 worked with PSVR since 4.3

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:12 PM

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4.3? that was ages ago

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:12 PM

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yes

clever sky Dec 17, 2016, 7:12 PM

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So Epic would've factored in opportunity cost for devoting resources to that, as well as the benefits of working on VR stuff.

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:13 PM

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Oculus basically wants to sponsor content for their store

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to make it popular for VR users

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Steam is already a near monopoly

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competition is the best that can happen

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:13 PM

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I like steam

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as a consumer

clever sky Dec 17, 2016, 7:13 PM

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Only because all your crap is already on it 😛

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I think most of us like it for that reason.

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:14 PM

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Thats becouse you havent dealth with steam consumer support

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:14 PM

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I like steam because it's valve and I dislike oculus because it's Facebook

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:14 PM

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and lately, they are being incredibly lazy

clever sky Dec 17, 2016, 7:14 PM

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Fuck opening 5 different programs to launch my 300 different games 😛

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:14 PM

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they want to let everything pass greenlight to put steam into autopilot

real needle Dec 17, 2016, 7:20 PM

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https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/pull/3042/files

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maybe someone needs the oculus boundary component in cpp 😄

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damn spent 4 hours with this small thingy

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:25 PM

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@wicked oak but aren't you disappointed when you can't get the money back you invested in a game?

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that also includes your own work hours

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:25 PM

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i know perfectly well what im getting into

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the money is not going to go to "my pocket"

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at all

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im going to reinvest it on the "company". All of it

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the idea is to keep creating more games

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:26 PM

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but when you would have been better off with just dont make the game at all and directly invest the money in another game that doesnt really make sense

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when every game is a net loss then added up they are just a big net loss

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:27 PM

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but this is not a net loss

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and Deathwave before also wasnt

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keep in mind im not counting my own time

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:28 PM

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well but you have to count your own work hours multiplied by at least $30 or something like that

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:28 PM

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im fully aware of that.

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:29 PM

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well just take whatever amount you would have got with freelancing in the same time

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:29 PM

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unless your game is paid by oculus

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or it becomes a massive success

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it wont recover all expenses

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:29 PM

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but thats very bad, developers deserve to be able to make a living from making good games

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:29 PM

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there are data out there. Of games that were launch titles on Vive

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and got a ton of sales

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and still wasnt enough

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becouse time + salaries and stuff was around 60k

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and he got 40k

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on sales

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this is the reason im going with such a "fast" turnaround on games

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3 games on steam in 6 months

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keep the costs controlled. Release smaller games

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:31 PM

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I don't want to make small games. I want to release my game and then continue improve it for 5 years

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and hope that I make enough sales to cover my costs in those 5 years

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well, 3 years would be fine too

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isn't that how it should be?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:33 PM

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not going to happen

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unless its something like a multiplayer game that stays active for a long while with some microtransactions

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:34 PM

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but there are constantly people that just start with buying vr games

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and people that just continue to try new stuff

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:35 PM

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yeah, and thats the sub 1000-2000 category

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nearly anything that releases on VR for steam gets a few sales

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like DWVR for example

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the thing is that every dday 5-10 vr games release

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almost

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its goddamn insane

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:36 PM

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ok, but my game is not like the average game I guess, someone said there are like 0 open world vr games currently on steam

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:36 PM

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yup

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whats your game?

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:37 PM

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haven't shown anything of it yet

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:37 PM

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you probably should show stuff ASAP

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as long as its controlled

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:37 PM

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what controlled?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:38 PM

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completely controlled by you

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not exactly fake, but making sure it shows good

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:38 PM

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when is it no longer controlled by me?

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not sure what you mean?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:38 PM

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when other people do the videos

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:39 PM

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that will only happen after the game is released, so why do I need to show stuff "ASAP"?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:39 PM

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to get people interested on your game

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:39 PM

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if I make a trailer now and then wait 2 months with the release people forgot about the game already 😄

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:40 PM

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but you can make one "trailer" every 2-3 weeks up to release

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to keep it fresh

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im not talking an actual trailer

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have you seen the YoreVR videos?

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he does it great

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:40 PM

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no, havent seen those

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:40 PM

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shows the new features he is implementing

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and gets them out there

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that gets him a lot of views

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and lots of people know of him

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his game is 100% going to get much more money than mine due to that

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:41 PM

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what kind of game is that?

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hey its open world too 😄

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:41 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/4ypk42/oculus_sent_me_touch_for_development_so_i_made_a/

Oculus sent me Touch for development, so i made a new prototype ...

177 points and 75 comments so far on reddit

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this is the first video i did of DWVR

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at the moment, it was a 3-4 day prototype over hacked Deathwave

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:42 PM

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looks horrible due to YT compression

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:42 PM

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fukin youtube

wintry escarp Dec 17, 2016, 7:42 PM

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support low quality lightmap shader permutations works but it stops lightmap blocking so light leaks through the scene, doesn't look good

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:42 PM

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i also didnt know how to make proper VR videos with unreal

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48yiAVdSdm4

YouTube

Victor Blanco

DWVR Gameplay Early Access 1

▶ Play video

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this is a "equivalent" video, much newer

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another direct gameplay video, but much better recorded

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ive tried to do the development videos and stuff, but not much success being to being "yet another wave shooter"

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if your game is open world

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and you got cool mechanics

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your videos will be successful

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and each of them will get people interested in your game

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devblog style videos, like the yorevr guy, its a good idea

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:45 PM

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but ther time I spend with making videos could be spent with programming

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:45 PM

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i mean, for my next game, whatever it ends up being, i plan on doing exactly that

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but videos = sales

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and it doesnt take THAT much time

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to do a gameplay video or explain a couple things in a 5 minute "dev blog" video

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:46 PM

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that "Nathie" who commented below your first video, he has a quite relevant YT channel, will he play your game?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:46 PM

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hooy shit its true

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gonna send him a key

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:49 PM

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I have no idea how to even correctly record VR stuff... I think all videos that record VR always look quite shitty, they only look great when they are in that mixed reality style, but that's expensive to produce

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that Yore VR Trailer also looks really boring

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stuff that might feel awesome in VR often looks boring as a 2D video on a 2D screen

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so I more thought like "don't much of anything in videos at all, let people see themselve that its awesome" 😄

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:52 PM

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you on Oculus or in Vive?

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:52 PM

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vive

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:52 PM

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on oculus you can use one of the mirror modes

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and it looks like you can see in my later video

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Vive uses the damn vertical video

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you can zoom on that vertical video with a movie editing software

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:52 PM

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theres a PR on github to add another mirror mode for vive too

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:53 PM

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or you can edit one file on the source code to add a system more like the one i used

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:53 PM

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and whats that doing?

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I'm on a custom engine anyways, editing stuff in source is no problem

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:53 PM

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it just changes the preview window

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to be more zoomed

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so instead of being a vertical video with black bars

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is a fullscreen video

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:54 PM

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but your video looks zoomed

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it looks like a lot of stuff is missing on the edges

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:55 PM

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its the downside

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but there is no real way around that

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with the source edited version, you can have a slightly better view, but not much

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btw, John. Does your game run fast?

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:56 PM

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its probably just best to show the game in non-VR most of the time to show the environment etc

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fast?

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:56 PM

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do you know how to use the profile to get constant 90 fps almost no matter what happens?

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docs are kind of lacking on this part

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:56 PM

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I feel like I spend half of my time in the profiler

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:56 PM

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good

wintry escarp Dec 17, 2016, 7:56 PM

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tried it with lower weapon sound and randon grunt sound from enemies?

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:56 PM

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but mostly to figure out how to improve my own c++ code

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:56 PM

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i recently went ham on my game to optimize it, and i improved it lots

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enough to get 90 fps 99% of the time

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until the garbage colelctor decides to arrive

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and fuck 3-4 frames

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@wintry escarp those sounds are old

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:57 PM

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my main problem is not anything on the CPU, RT and GT run quite well

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:57 PM

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they are no more

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:57 PM

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just GPU is slow

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base pass is what takes most of my time

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:57 PM

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my fps graphcs look 90 fps all the time

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and suddenly a huge spike

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turns out, of course ithe the GC

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im going to try optimizing my projectile code

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so they dont get deleted/created constantly

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:58 PM

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yeah pool them

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:58 PM

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but just get hidden when they get destroyed, and then reused

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yeah

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that should remove some strain from the GC

wintry escarp Dec 17, 2016, 7:58 PM

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pool them?

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:58 PM

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yeah, throw them in a pool

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:58 PM

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make an array of them

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 7:58 PM

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http://beej.us/blog/data/object-pool/images/goatpool.png

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:59 PM

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when you create a new projectile, see if there is an availible "disabled projectile"

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if there isnt, spawn it and add it to the array

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if there is, dont create the new projectile

wintry escarp Dec 17, 2016, 7:59 PM

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i pool everything in unity, cos its not good either with GC

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:59 PM

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just "reuse" the older projectile

wintry escarp Dec 17, 2016, 7:59 PM

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i thought c++ would be better

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 7:59 PM

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it is better

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but projectiles are normally Actors

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Actors have overhead when being created/destroyed

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UObjects too, but much less

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and C++ objects, without UE4 stuff, have very very little overhead

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 8:00 PM

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@wicked oak the stuff that happens for me at RT/GT is not what happens in the usual UE4 game. all my world is generated at runtime, and while I do everything on many custom threads, theres some stuff that has to happen on GT and RT too

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 8:00 PM

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becouse they dont get garbage collected

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 8:01 PM

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so RT spends quite some time with sending all that geometry that was generated to the GPU

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its completly fine, never really more than like 1 ms or so

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but where most of my time is is not like in a usual game where static meshes are used

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it also hurts GPU times a bit to only have dynamically generated geometry since those aren't as efficient in rendering as static meshes

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 8:10 PM

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@wicked oak why don't you make 360 deg. video ?

wintry escarp Dec 17, 2016, 8:45 PM

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the production setting for lightmaps is BS

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45mins and its still at 0%

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its lighting 1 simple box room, i cancelled

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 8:50 PM

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depends on the settings

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especially for indirect lighting

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StereoLayers bog performance down on Gear VR 😦

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 8:55 PM

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@mighty carbon doing 360 video is fucking hard

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i dont even know if you can do it on unreal engine

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i know you can capture cubemaps

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:04 PM

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@wicked oak how long will you still work on DWVR? when will it no longer be early access?

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 9:05 PM

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there is a plugin for that, @wicked oak

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comes with UE4

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and they had training stream for that in Twitch

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:07 PM

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@full junco 2 months

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after MP is added and a few other gameplay features, its done

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and work on the PS4 version finishes

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:08 PM

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ok

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:08 PM

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so no, my job doing DWVR wont last much

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i have other, better ideas, to do

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DWVR development is kind of messy, and DWVR itself is a creative "dead-end"

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while cool, its not something that can scale to a full high quality game, i think

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:09 PM

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ok. I never really have many game ideas

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I'm more like fully devoted to one thing and its very hard for me to think about something else

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:10 PM

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i have to fight my urges of creating new stuff

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:10 PM

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but don't you think your game will get most sales after its actually released? people are a bit cautious with early access I guess so its easier to buy a game thats marked as done I think

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:11 PM

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thats why ill develop the MP mode and exit early access

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only IF i see its a massive succes and lots of people buy it ill keep developing it more

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:11 PM

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ok

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:11 PM

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and thats not going to happen, probably

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:12 PM

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always be optimistic 😄

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well, I was more optimistic before I listened to what you said today

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but I'm still optimistic 😄

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:16 PM

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If you are doing cool stuff, make videos

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show it

empty sundial Dec 17, 2016, 9:17 PM

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yeah, always interested in seeing new stuff

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:17 PM

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bonus, if people are positive with it, you will get a massive confidence boost

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if they REALLY like it, you can go kickstarter

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the YoreVR guy probably could

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and if someone like the Onward guy does a kickstarter for a "Onward2, this time professional". He would get the money for sure

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its what i would do if i were in his place

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no doubt

wintry escarp Dec 17, 2016, 9:48 PM

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whats stereolayers?

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:51 PM

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@wicked oak I hate showing unfinished stuff

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if someone sees something I made it has to look polished

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:52 PM

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Polish a small section, show that

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:53 PM

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I don't really have small sections...

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:53 PM

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people is fine to see cool mechanics and gimmicks

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even if it doesnt look that high quality with the 3dmodels

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:54 PM

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imagine someone showing a "small polished section" of tilt brush. what would that be? there is one thing you do there, drawing. just with a million different kind of pencils, but its all drawing

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:55 PM

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a small polished version of tilt brush is EXACTLY what they did

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just drawing with 1-2 pencil types

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:56 PM

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hm

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I'm not sure that I have cool mechanics and gimmicks

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 9:57 PM

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@wintry escarp timewarped layer where you can have image or UMG

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:58 PM

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my first public video showing EXPLOSIONS, machineguns, and skeletons

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wait, UMG?

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how

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i only found the textures

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with that

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 9:58 PM

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https://developer3.oculus.com/documentation/game-engines/latest/concepts/unreal-overlay/

Download our developer guides for the SDKs, best practices, engine integrations, and more.

full junco Dec 17, 2016, 9:58 PM

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@wicked oak I understand what you say but I somehow think it wouldn't work well for my game

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 9:59 PM

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but what exactly is your game?

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@mighty carbon that shows how to add texture

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but not UMG

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 10:01 PM

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you need render to texture texture to show UMG

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https://forums.oculus.com/developer/discussion/comment/455530/#Comment_455530 (and there is second post later in the same thread for another non-C++ version)

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wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 10:03 PM

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widget to texture/

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 10:03 PM

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but it's either untested, or simply not suitable for Gear VR where scene is pushing hardware already

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 10:03 PM

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holy shit

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that solves it

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i had problems try to make MY OWN widget to texture

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 10:03 PM

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that sh#t needs to be standard to UE4

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 10:04 PM

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i tried to do exactly like he explains

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but i was unable to get it working

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 10:04 PM

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anyhow, I am going to test 3D Widget vs Stereo Layers and report performance drop to Oculus

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 10:06 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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is it really THAT simple?

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holy shit

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i was overcomplicating it

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way too much

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good shit ill add this thing to my projects

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 10:34 PM

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😃

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make it a plugin 😉

wicked oak Dec 17, 2016, 10:38 PM

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its already a plugin

mighty carbon Dec 17, 2016, 11:06 PM

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?

opal bobcat Dec 18, 2016, 1:24 AM

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has anyone heard of a way to get repeat on hold going for vive motion controllers?
what i mean is i want to hold down one of the trackpad buttons and get it to repeat events rapidly
kinda like holding down a key on the keyboard does

noble crater Dec 18, 2016, 1:25 AM

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listen for pressed/released, set a flag, do your repeating thing in ontick

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@opal bobcat

opal bobcat Dec 18, 2016, 1:26 AM

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hmmm i dont think playercontroller has a tick does it?

noble crater Dec 18, 2016, 1:29 AM

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it has PlayerTick - maybe that's it

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or you could do it in the pawn

opal bobcat Dec 18, 2016, 1:30 AM

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yeah i think i can do it in my target's actors class

midnight tree Dec 18, 2016, 2:25 AM

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how do you guys go about displaying fps while in vr?

odd garnet Dec 18, 2016, 2:37 AM

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Vive or Rift?

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I vote vive lol

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 2:45 AM

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Rift + Touch

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 3:05 AM

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temporal aa + widget components = 👎

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:07 AM

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fxaa actually looks quite acceptable I just noticed

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:19 AM

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Yeah, FXAA is adequate for text in VR. TXAA is for no text (and other thin high contrast lines) experiences.

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Only time when TXAA looks ok at text is when you've bumped up the set res to 200%

opal bobcat Dec 18, 2016, 4:23 AM

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you can apply anti aliasing towards specific components/actors?

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or are you just talking about an app wide setting

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:23 AM

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Not that I know of.

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I'm talking about if your game/app has a lot of text, you shouldn't use TXAA

opal bobcat Dec 18, 2016, 4:24 AM

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nods

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:24 AM

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Because if you could do object specific AA, that'd be kinda amazing.

opal bobcat Dec 18, 2016, 4:25 AM

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yeah

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that'd be awesome

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:27 AM

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@Zaptruder well fxaa doesn't really work because ssao looks really bad with it

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but it still looks way better than I thought it would

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:27 AM

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You can get SSAO in VR?

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I thought the only AO you could get was light map baked AO.

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:27 AM

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yeah absolutely, it's the most important feature I use

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:28 AM

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Hmmm. How do you turn it on?

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:28 AM

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well, lighting in general is more important

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post process volume

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:28 AM

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Is this 4.14?

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:28 AM

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it's in 4.0 and also in 4.14

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and everything in between

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:29 AM

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Ah... so what's the AO they turned off for VR then?

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:29 AM

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who's they?

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:29 AM

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Epic

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VXAO?

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:29 AM

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epic never turned anything off in my games

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vxao is not in ue4 by default

zenith charm Dec 18, 2016, 4:30 AM

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unless your takling about the forward renderer as its not supposed to support SSAO (yet?)

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:31 AM

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ssao is not yet supported by the forward renderer, yeah

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no screen space stuff is

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:31 AM

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Ah. I guess that's what it must've been? I remember reading at some point that they stripped AO out of VR in 4.13+ for performance reasons

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:32 AM

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epic never stripped anything out of vr

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you can always enable whatever you want to enable

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just with forward renderer stuff obviously needs to support it

zenith charm Dec 18, 2016, 4:34 AM

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And your getting solid performance with deferred, John? I had a real hard time getting close to 90 (even with pretty optimized scenes)

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:34 AM

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no

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performance would hopefully be better with forward

zenith charm Dec 18, 2016, 4:36 AM

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Ah gotcha, yeah I'm loving forward so far.

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 4:37 AM

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msaa seems to be broken in my current build, so can't really test it

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I can only switch to forward once it supports ssao

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4.16 I hope

raven halo Dec 18, 2016, 12:05 PM

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msaa is pretty broken in 4.14

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it doesn't work with masked materials, and as soon as you are using any screenspace effect such as capsule shadows, it breaks as well

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fixies are coming for 4.15, though. And a sharper and better TAA

native cedar Dec 18, 2016, 12:52 PM

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BETTTER TXAA????!?!??!?!!?

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OHMYGOD!1!1!ONE

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 12:55 PM

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hell yes

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i wonder if i should upgrade my project to it

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check the performance improvements on deferredd or the improvements on TAA

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on forward*

native cedar Dec 18, 2016, 12:56 PM

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I usually just duplicate the project and check it out with the new engine version

full junco Dec 18, 2016, 1:10 PM

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@raven halo sharper TAA? I think you expect too much from that commit if you just talk about that?

raven halo Dec 18, 2016, 1:17 PM

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well, it obviously won't be up to par with MSAA

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I'm just having a hard time seeing myself switch to MSAA

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it's quite a performance impact

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 2:08 PM

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TXAA works a lot better if your game has metallic stuff

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or shiny in general

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MSAA only works on polygon edges

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if your game is smooth and doesnt sparkle, then it will probably look really good

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but MSAA doesnt work on shader aliasing (sparkles or texture effects like alpha test)

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TXAA does

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becouse its a fullscreen filter

raven halo Dec 18, 2016, 2:49 PM

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Unreal has an option to change the roughness map, based on your normal map to reduce specular aliasing as far as I know

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:49 PM

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Here are my current rule of thumbs...

raven halo Dec 18, 2016, 2:49 PM

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haven't tested it, though.

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:49 PM

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TXAA if you don't have much text or high contrast thin elements

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 2:50 PM

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oh, they added that?

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where is that option?

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:50 PM

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FXAA if you have that stuff.

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 2:50 PM

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i remember Valve doing a presentation on exactly that

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how to mipmap roughness + normals

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so they dont alias

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:50 PM

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And MSAA never because performance hit is larger than TXAA and better resolution or FXAA and better resolution

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 2:50 PM

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basically increasing roughness altogether while getting far

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:51 PM

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MSAA performance is still bad compared to TXAA/FXAA right?

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 2:51 PM

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yes, but it looks GLORIOUS

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if you dont have specular sparkling, of course

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in my game it looks really great

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:51 PM

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But so does higher resolution 😛

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 2:51 PM

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but of course, huuuge performance hit

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:52 PM

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I'm devving at default res of 150.

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Hard to tell what benefits MSAA brings to the table at that res.

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 2:52 PM

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even better antialias

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 2:54 PM

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Oh yeah.

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That's why I haven't bothered trying MSAA recently 😛 I went back to deferred rendering.

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 3:22 PM

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anyone had any luck with entitlement checks on Rift when packaging with 4.14?

raven halo Dec 18, 2016, 3:28 PM

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buyt Zaptruder, you can switch to forward, get the performance benefits but still stick with temporal

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 3:29 PM

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@raven halo I switched back because turns out I didn't need the performance benefits 😛

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 3:47 PM

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I am having hard time casing from level BP to an actor 😦

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Didn't have any issues casing to player or to an actor from another actor

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Here is my setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHcb90Fn-gc

YouTube

motorsep

2016 12 18 09 40 16

▶ Play video

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I am not sure what I am going wrong there

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can someone please help?

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(#blueprint seems to be useless)

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nevermind, figured it out

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:21 PM

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Which actor are you calling get owner on? 😛

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Looking at the vid, that's probably what went wrong right? 😛

raven halo Dec 18, 2016, 4:23 PM

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@wicked oak https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Content/Types/Textures/Composite/

Composite Texture

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:24 PM

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@clever sky yeah.. I wish it was more simple that how I solved it. I got all actors with specific tag (which is only one actor in the scene), got the actor from that array and fed it into cast node.

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:25 PM

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Hey. At least it sounds like you've got good debugging skills even when you miss the obvious (like we all do from time to time)

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:25 PM

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also, level streaming is so f#cking retarded in UE4 - when streaming the whole game hangs basically

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:25 PM

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Is that what the black box is for?

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Stick the player in there while level streaming occurs?

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:26 PM

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that's what's loading first - black room with message say "wait for it" and in the background main level is streaming. Once loaded, player gets moved to the main level.

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:27 PM

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But it causes frame rate to plunge while loading?

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:27 PM

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there is a strict limit on loading times for Gear VR

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yeah, basically fps drops to the floor and when you turn your head everything judders

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:27 PM

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So basically the only thing that'll work decent is a solid color D:

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:28 PM

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so I figured I'd use StereoLayers, since they are timewarped, to show message in the black room. Still judders horribly (but a bit better than what it was with actors in the black room)

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yeah

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original the idea was to have some basic stuff in the room so user can just look at it, maybe a menu that gets activated when main level is loaded

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:29 PM

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Only thing I can suggest is load the room with the message. let the user read it... then fade it out then load the level

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to hide the judder.

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Maybe... A bit confusing from the user perspective though

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because the loading message pops up and goes away - might make them think loading is finished.

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:31 PM

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nah, then I'd better just leave that spinner that pops when engine just starts, before even it gets to game loop (from Oculus SDK) and load main level right away

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:31 PM

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Fair call.

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:31 PM

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still, you'd think they make async streaming truly async ...

clever sky Dec 18, 2016, 4:32 PM

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I know right

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I gotta go check what Epic is doing in Bullet Train on load.

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 4:36 PM

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there is new async loading in the source versions

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its supposed to be able to not use more than X ms per frame

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:37 PM

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so I guess 4.15 - 4.16 will have that in binary :/

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 4:39 PM

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its on 4.14

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just listed as experimental, and only in sourcecode builds

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 4:40 PM

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right

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that's why I am saying it might get into launcher version (not be source only) in the next, or the one after that, release

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 5:16 PM

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ok my Leaderboard thing works

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i can compile for oculus, and with the #defines it wont compile with steamworks, and just do nothing

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 5:25 PM

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is it how you planned for it to happen?

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 5:32 PM

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YES

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the point is that the leaderboard will use different implementations depending on platform

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 5:32 PM

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got it

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 5:53 PM

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hmm.. It feels like ES3.1 + ASTC renders slower than ES2 +ETC2 on Gear VR

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@wicked oak is your game still getting traction on Steam?

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 6:04 PM

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traffic is decreasing, but im still getting sales

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oh, im again on the top sellers list

hard terrace Dec 18, 2016, 6:06 PM

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I think I invented a solution for the vive annoying cable problem!!

📎 Nayttokuva_2016-12-18_kello_20.05.08.png

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I don't even have a vive tho, just came in my mind

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 6:07 PM

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already done

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by many

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its not that good

hard terrace Dec 18, 2016, 6:07 PM

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ah

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haven't seen it

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 6:07 PM

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its easy to get your hand caught on it

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 6:07 PM

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@real needle is that stick man hanging himself ? o.O

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 6:07 PM

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and if you rotate, its easy to get the cable "on your face"

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 6:07 PM

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😛

hard terrace Dec 18, 2016, 6:07 PM

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😛

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it could be fixed by making the ceiling hanger able to rotate 360 degrees

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 6:08 PM

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if the game doesn't require you waving hands above your head, that's a good setup

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 6:09 PM

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traffic just went from 5~ to 20

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as i popped back up on top sellers

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im sending oculus version to review

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game finally is able to be 90 fps

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99% of the time

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even on the most complex map

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 6:14 PM

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yay!

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ok, it's a fact - ES2 + ETC2 is much more performant on Gear VR than ES3.1 + ASTC

wintry escarp Dec 18, 2016, 6:52 PM

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is it vive who have the wireless kit?

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what about ES2 + ASTC ?

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ES3.1 only seems a little better visually, not worth the performance hit

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 6:57 PM

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I haven't tried ES2 + ASTC

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already spent a way too much time debugging and testing sh#t

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It feels like Epic does bare minimum to support Gear VR

zenith charm Dec 18, 2016, 7:23 PM

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Hey vblanco, which game is yours? my apologies if I missed it at any time 😃

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 7:27 PM

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/520750

DWVR

Feel like an action hero while switching seamlessly between an arsenal of guns, swords and spells as you blast your way through murderous hordes. Your VR controller becomes an extension of your arm as you take aim with your gun or cast spells using gestures.

zenith charm Dec 18, 2016, 7:28 PM

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Awesome, congrats on the success. will have to check it out

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 7:29 PM

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not really THAT much of a success, really

zenith charm Dec 18, 2016, 7:30 PM

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Well few days in, some sales and postiive reviews, not that much but a good start hah

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 7:31 PM

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there is no review of it on the internet, or even youtubers seeing it

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i actually sent quite a few emails, no response on most

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 7:57 PM

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@wicked oak how did you handle oculus entitlement? I've implemented the 4.14 blueprint node, ini stuff, and build.cs stuff, but still fails entitlement check during submission

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 7:57 PM

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have you added your oculus stuff to the config file?

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correctly?

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you need to close the game if entitlement fails

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 7:57 PM

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yeah, subsystem, enabled = true, etc and app id

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 7:58 PM

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or similar

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i just do oculus entitlement check into "close game"

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 7:58 PM

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i do the same. i populate a text render with 'failed entitlement' text, then game closes after 3 seconds

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 7:58 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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this is all i do

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then the blueprint node and the failure closes the game instantly

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maybe its becouse it takes a while

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try doing the instant close

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 7:59 PM

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oh, did you modify the game.build.cs file at all?

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 7:59 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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just this

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and the plugin enabled

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:00 PM

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yeah, i've got that too....strange.

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:00 PM

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btw, lately, you need to not have ANYTHING from steam in your game folder

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if you have a steamworks dll or similar it doesnt let you upload the build

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what is your game?

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:01 PM

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yeah, figured that out the hard way. my game is MageWorks http://store.steampowered.com/app/494780

MageWorks

MageWorks is a casual exploration Mage simulation game. With your spellbook in one hand, and your staff in the other, wander the land discovering new spells while customizing your spellbook and crafting your own personal staff.

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:01 PM

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mind if i ask how many sales you have?

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looks good

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:02 PM

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not much. early access, but thanks! hoping to hit beta around end of january

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:02 PM

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btw, you got it to 90fps constant?

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like allways constant

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:02 PM

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yeah, i believe so, but will see from oculus tests if i can get the submission validated correctly, lol

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:03 PM

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oculus takes VERY seriously the performance

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and i tell you becouse i failed it due to that

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becouse if you go close to a enemy, explode him at point blank, and also stop the time, it goes to 45 due to impact particle FX

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:05 PM

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ah, i may have found the issue. was using PrivateDependencyModuleNames.Add("OnlineSubsystemOculus") instead of DynamicallyLoadedModuleName.add

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:05 PM

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put it as public

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adding it as "depencency" its becouse you are using it to extend or similar

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adding it as "dinamically loaded" is more for plugins and the like

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but it should still work, its odd

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@urban shell you got 1 chance

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becouse they will stop doing reviews

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so pretty much tomorrow or nothing

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to release early january

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:07 PM

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i thought they already stopped?

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:07 PM

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no, they dont fully stop till 23

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they stopped releasing games

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:07 PM

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oh, will give it another shot then, thanks

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:08 PM

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use the profiler, use stat fps

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make sure you DONT dip to 45

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or that is only very uncommon to do those framedrops

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 8:09 PM

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will keep an eye on this, thanks

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you using min-spec as well ?

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actually, @wicked oak , where did you implement your blueprint for entitlement? I used begin play on the opening persistent level blueprint.

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 8:34 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n5fLpbHWjU

YouTube

motorsep

Project 1

▶ Play video

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finally got sound recorded... royal pita 😦

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(via Line-in, then manually sync it with video on PC)

storm vortex Dec 18, 2016, 8:46 PM

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@mighty carbon not sure if you have nvidia but their game capture tool works pretty well. (shadowplay I think it's called)

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 8:48 PM

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it's Gear VR

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so, I am not sure how would that work

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 8:52 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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@urban shell

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most complicated entitlement check ever

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thats the beginplay of my VRPawn

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the platform thing is this

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📎 unknown.png

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i use #ifdefs with the DWVR_PLATFORM_WHATEVER thing

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 9:00 PM

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cool. i'm using the built-in platform switch, but have simple entitlement check too. wasn't sure if placement mattered.

wicked oak Dec 18, 2016, 9:01 PM

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i need that platform switch becouse normal one doesnt separate oculus and steam

urban shell Dec 18, 2016, 9:38 PM

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platform switch has worked for me. i need to filter in different illustrations based on platform (i.e. show vive controller image vs show oculus controller image) and it's worked fine. the nomenclature was just really specific as it used 'SteamVR' and 'OculusRift' for the correct switch

wintry escarp Dec 18, 2016, 9:59 PM

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can you travel to all those sand dunes?

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crap, got a game idea but I suspect it needs rift/vive lighthouses

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is that giant robot the ue4 player?

mighty carbon Dec 18, 2016, 10:12 PM

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@wintry escarp to a point, yeah.. It wouldn't be possible to make a really large scale open level for Gear VR due to RAM constraints

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but, the illusion of vast open space seems to be there 😉

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no, it's not UE4 player.. It's from the Matinee scene

zenith charm Dec 18, 2016, 11:58 PM

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Anyone using the OpenVR plugin on 4.14?

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 12:16 AM

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@wicked oak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LReuR08EEGw << swords 😃

YouTube

ChiselyDev

Dual Crossbows in VR - Trickster - Update 8

▶ Play video

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but yeah, "wave shooters" getting old pretty quickly

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 1:46 AM

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nice scenery

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 2:12 AM

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@zenith charm is that the one by modentral?

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if im spelling that right

zenith charm Dec 19, 2016, 2:12 AM

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Yes

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 2:12 AM

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Then yes

zenith charm Dec 19, 2016, 2:13 AM

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So werid, downloaded it and won't load in the project (4.13 and 4.14) also if I rebuild it it has like 20 something errors and wont compile.. O.o Is it pretty good?

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 2:13 AM

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Oh man it's great

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you have to load it as a plugin into your project tho

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not the engine

zenith charm Dec 19, 2016, 2:14 AM

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Well you would just move the uplugin into the Plugins folder, right?

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 2:17 AM

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Nope. Look at his unreal forums thread

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then look at the bitbucket link

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there should be install instructings

zenith charm Dec 19, 2016, 2:17 AM

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Says to move it to Plugins folder under your Project lol dang, well let me look again

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 2:18 AM

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https://bitbucket.org/mordentral/vrexpansionplugin

A plugin for Unreal Engine 4 that adds some additional VR related features / components.

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under install

zenith charm Dec 19, 2016, 2:26 AM

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@odd garnet Well made the folder and dragged the contents over but it fails to load so I can't even get to the project to add the button (non-c++) hmm

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 2:28 AM

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created a blank C++ class

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then you should be able to

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Oh wait you don't make the plugins folder

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@zenith charm You create a blank C++ class

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then make a blank Plugin

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it shoould then make the plguins folder

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then add the plugin

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tho I have to say if you have trouble installing it, you might have trouble using it

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 2:51 AM

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I've even been asking him to make a tutorial on it xD

zenith charm Dec 19, 2016, 3:05 AM

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Ok I think I got it now lol. Thanks @odd garnet. I think his install steps are lacking quite a bit of information 😉

odd garnet Dec 19, 2016, 3:06 AM

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Yeah his documentation is lacking

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take a look at his template and examples

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 3:26 AM

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Anyone here use Git for their project?

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 3:39 AM

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@digital marlin me

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 3:42 AM

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So I'm using a GUI (sourcetree) for it.

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But I'm getting double ups.

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 3:43 AM

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also using sourcetree

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double ups?

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 3:43 AM

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yeah

cobalt monolith Dec 19, 2016, 3:43 AM

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@full junco on Github or a similar solution? Public or private repo?

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 3:43 AM

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@cobalt monolith private, VSTS

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 3:43 AM

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So If I do a commit via unreal, it's kike it doesn't talk to source tree

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and I can commit those same changes via sourcetree that I can do in Unreal

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However, I can push the Unreal 4 changes up no worries.

cobalt monolith Dec 19, 2016, 3:43 AM

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I'd be curious to see some public repos with Unreal projects to check out.

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 3:44 AM

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Well, the issue is also file size Coop.

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My original commit was 4 gig.

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 3:45 AM

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@digital marlin I never used the unbuilt ue4 stuff, I only commit with sourcetree

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 3:45 AM

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Which didn't end up going through. It used a lot of the default core project files.

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That's probably the best idea @full junco

safe hamlet Dec 19, 2016, 3:48 AM

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@cobalt monolith Here's my latest Unreal project on my public Github repo: https://github.com/bskar/GotWind

GitHub

bskar/GotWind

GotWind - Gotta get windy!

cobalt monolith Dec 19, 2016, 3:50 AM

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@safe hamlet cool. I assume uasset files are blueprints? Any C++ code or was it all done in blueprints?

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 3:52 AM

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source would be in source folder, since there is none, its all BP

safe hamlet Dec 19, 2016, 3:59 AM

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Correctamundo, it's all done in BPs 🙂

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As I understand it, binary assets (as opposed to text) become uasset files.

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That includes blueprints, materials, textures, static meshes and so on.

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Most assets become uasset files.

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 4:08 AM

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Thanks @safe hamlet

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Now I'm gonna steal your BPs and make billions

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AND YOU"RE POWERLESS

safe hamlet Dec 19, 2016, 4:10 AM

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Hahaha 😂

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Joke's on you, @digital marlin , all my BPs are 💩

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Except for the fact that they don't use any Event Ticks... That's pretty neat 😁

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 4:45 AM

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heh

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I'll trade you my shit BPs for your shit BPs

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 5:06 AM

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you guys create too many shit-BPs 😛

brazen oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:07 AM

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hmm, anyone got hints for fixing texture aliasing on gear vr? doing a pano viewer, a mono 4k pano is silky smooth, but stereo pano, where i unpack the top/bottom in a material and split to left/right, textures go very jaggy

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tried forcing ASTC, ES31, mipmapping, but still jaggy-as

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 5:21 AM

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you need a market stall

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shit Bps, get your shit Bps here

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:22 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/91b4c3fec67d809594b7a3ff540a4235.png

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:22 AM

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Epic needs to open up a secondary store for lower quality content.

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The 'market stall'.

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 5:22 AM

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@gilded oyster lol

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thats horrible

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:23 AM

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@clever sky Actually I've seen many shit BPs on the marketplace

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Like, freaking terrible.

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:23 AM

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Yo that's beautiful. Like an expertly ziptied rack of routers with nicely done up cabling.

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:23 AM

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Yeah, but it can (and was) be replaced with a single loop.

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Ooh

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But wait

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:24 AM

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https://progoffice.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/network-cabling-300x225.jpg

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:24 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/d68bed015bdd535c4dca17239fa71e60.png

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That's not even the full function

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 5:24 AM

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why not do that in c++

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:24 AM

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Embrace the cringe

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For it is, indeed, real

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Ah, but wait yet.

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https://i.gyazo.com/053bcdcc0308a9e83f65f5762fd38b2b.png

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:26 AM

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So what do those functions that you're showing us do anyway? 😛

full junco Dec 19, 2016, 5:26 AM

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thats probably all stuff that would be like 10 lines in c++

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:26 AM

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@full junco @clever sky @wintry escarp "Shit BPs, get your shit BPs here! Duplicated logic! Fresh today! Illogical loops! Limited edition!! Spaghetti for days! Shit BPs, get 'em fresh!!!"

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Well that last one

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Can you believe this???

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That last one, it centers a camera over frames.

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:28 AM

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Like... a picture frame?

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:28 AM

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The pair before that image, they simply add up stats common to about 12 independent classes

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No

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Like game frames

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Like FPS

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Like it doesn't do it in one frame, but does so over a duration.

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Like any old auto-center camera in games

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But that is the implementation

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:29 AM

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Yeah. Fair enough.

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Hard to see what's shit when you can't inspect the logic. The layout isn't great... but not terribad 😛

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:30 AM

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hehehehehehehehehehehe

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HehehehehehehehehHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:30 AM

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http://redstarconsulting.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/cablemess-2-415x260-300x188.jpg

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:30 AM

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Oh man.

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I can't show you in more detail because I don't have an openable version of that project.

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:30 AM

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Fair call.

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:31 AM

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But it boils down to, if I remember correctly, "Is camera being manually moved? Has it been enough time???? Is the camera within bounds? Which direction should it go?"

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And then ends up using an interp node anyway.

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:31 AM

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Fair enough 😃

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:32 AM

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But you can do the same thing in 5 nodes

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Or C++ lines

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:32 AM

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I'd love if someone could comb through my BPs and gimme a run down on what I'm doing good or bad 😛

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:32 AM

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And for all the wires, it still gets stuck in loops.

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Using it can cause the camera to literally orbit multiple times

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But it won't hang.

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Which is odd.

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I don't even understand how that bug works

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:33 AM

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But that'll have to wait until I can hire someone to do that kinda thing...

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:33 AM

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The person who wrote that sells a pack on the marketplace tho

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And this was written after he'd gotten through onto the MP.

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Scary, huh @full junco

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:34 AM

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Haha... fair enough.

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I've mainly been buying asset packs on market place.

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The one asset pack I bought with BPs in it had its own share of problems.

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Although not really BP related.

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More just it was an arch viz pack, and he'd exported everything from his modelling package as is. So all the furniture had their pivots way out at the global 0,0,0

gilded oyster Dec 19, 2016, 5:35 AM

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Oh god.

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Why

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I'm not even an artist and I know better than that.

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Anyway

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I leave you with this, @clever sky

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https://i.gyazo.com/0ba63fee4f0a29d94726e61f272f20f6.png

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 5:37 AM

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What is that... a mesh with a yellow background for vector... but a blue ring for rotation?

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That hurts my brain 😄

hard light Dec 19, 2016, 12:44 PM

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^ dafuq is that node, what?

graceful junco Dec 19, 2016, 1:05 PM

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Maybe that's a node of a map/dictionary in a build when that was introduced to BP but the icon wasn't updated yet to what it is now? So a get node of a vector->rotator map variable called mesh?

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 1:08 PM

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Why have all meshes pivots at 0,0,0 ? Easy - so you can easily reconstruct your 3D scene in UE4

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 1:09 PM

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Yep. I do it too. On the flipside, if I'm selling an asset pack... I'm pretty sure customers will want to reuse the furniture in a convenient manner.

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And that my layout is simply a demo for the assets in that pack.

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 1:09 PM

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Since UE4 culls meshes per bounds on mobile, ignoring pivot and clips/culls on PC, there is no reason for aligning pivots with mesh center.

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Ah, that's a different story :)

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I thought someone just making stuff for themselves

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 1:11 PM

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Nope. This is a marketplace asset.

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 1:11 PM

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Yeah, that figures

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 1:12 PM

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Ah... looks like the guy updated the asset a few days ago and fixed the issue.

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 1:12 PM

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Btw, there aren't too many good assets in neither UE4 nor Unity stores :(

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 1:12 PM

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After some complaints.

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 2:19 PM

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@wicked oak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfuQv_5RDRA

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 2:45 PM

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ok, modelling a full 'cockpit' doesn't affect framerate as long as the back half is a different mesh. that's right isn't it

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if player isn't looking behind them its all culled anyway

wicked oak Dec 19, 2016, 2:46 PM

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yup

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 2:47 PM

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try it, @wintry escarp 😃

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 2:48 PM

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I'm gearvr remember, hobo vr

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 2:51 PM

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I am Gear VR too

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and I simply tested all my theories in practice

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culling on GPU is done per mesh bounds

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 2:52 PM

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I thought you had a rift/vive as well

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 2:52 PM

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so maintaining balance between having too many smaller meshes and too few larger meshes is a key

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no, not yet

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and seeing how indie games sell for PC VR, I am kinda scratching my head

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I still want to get Rift, but I'll probably try wrapping up my Gear VR project first and see what it will do (if it passes to the store that is)

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 2:56 PM

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can your player see themselves if they look down?

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 2:56 PM

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Wouldn't recommend it generally. Immersion reducing when you get body mismatch

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 2:57 PM

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my player would be sitting operating control :/

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hmmm

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 2:59 PM

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I think that's probably one of the only exceptions

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Where it's ok.

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Because it's a compromise between seeing a potential mismatch... and not seeing anything in the seat.

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Generally, you can expect the player to have their body reasonably aligned to a seated pilot.

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 3:00 PM

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id rather not waste the polys drawing a player, but if they look down and the seat is empty it would be suspect

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 3:00 PM

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If they're sitting.

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 3:01 PM

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meh, i'll wait and see if the idea gives asense of depth first, if it doesn't it wont work anyway

clever sky Dec 19, 2016, 3:01 PM

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Fair call

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 6:35 PM

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http://www.roadtovr.com/classic-serious-sam-gets-full-locomotion-vr-version-first-encounter-next-week/

Road to VR

Paul James

Classic 'Serious Sam' Gets "Full Locomotion" VR Version 'The Fir...

Croteam VR, the developers behind the popular first person shooter Serious Sam, are bringing their classic original instalment of the franchise to VR platforms next week with a new Early Access release called The First Encounter which promises full choice of locomotion methods. Given the current accepted knowledge – that first person shooter games are …

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Serious Warp(TM) locomotion... WTF is that?! 🙀

wicked oak Dec 19, 2016, 6:56 PM

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side dash

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you press and it teleports you a bit

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doesnt have to be aimed

heady parrot Dec 19, 2016, 6:57 PM

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Im making a prediction that it will make people Seriously Ill

wicked oak Dec 19, 2016, 6:59 PM

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i hope it does

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so people stop bothering me to add traditional locomotion to my game

heady parrot Dec 19, 2016, 7:03 PM

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I get it, people are frustrated with teleporting.. so am I! but putting traditional back in is like voting for Trump

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 7:03 PM

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@heady parrot I was wondering about size of the team that worked on EVE Gunjack 😊

heady parrot Dec 19, 2016, 7:03 PM

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sorry man I dont have those numbers, that team is in Shanghai and Im not sure how many people worked on that at the time

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it wasn't big, something like 10-15 people.. but honestly I dont know

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 7:10 PM

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aye, thx

tawdry dragon Dec 19, 2016, 10:02 PM

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http://uploadvr.com/tpcast-wireless-vive-kit-works/

UploadVR

Hands-on: TPCAST's Wireless Vive Kit Really Works

We finally go hands-on with TPCAST's wireless upgrade kit for the HTC Vive, which will be releasing in China early next year.

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interesting

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 10:07 PM

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well, extra $200+ :/

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Would be better if HTC offered as first party accessory

tawdry dragon Dec 19, 2016, 10:10 PM

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Yeah agreed... But all VR stuff is expensive at the moment

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Hopefully headsets well get cheaper and more popular the comming years

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 10:27 PM

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wouldn't that work for rift as well? unless they've made it deliberately not to

mighty carbon Dec 19, 2016, 10:34 PM

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tbh I would wait for Oculus to deliver a solution. I don't feel comfortable strapping that to my head for a long periods of time.

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 11:26 PM

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I just dropped $300 + on a new VR controller

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1/3 was shipping from the US to Australia though, but still.

wintry escarp Dec 19, 2016, 11:29 PM

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touch controls?

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 11:29 PM

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nope. just the original ones

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My controller's pad broke and I didn't want to fix it myself until I had a replacement in the wings.

digital marlin Dec 19, 2016, 11:46 PM

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Does the wireless TPCAST introduce any lag at all?

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 12:08 AM

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woot my touch shipped

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should have it on wednesday

brazen oyster Dec 20, 2016, 12:29 AM

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make sure to try it first on the machine you plan to use

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a guy here had his controllers delivered to work, we excitedly fired them up on the work vr machine

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in doing so we realised after the fact that oculus automatically link medium/quill/other offers to the account you first run the controllers on

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we didn't even download the apps or were aware that had happened, when we asked oculus they basically shrugged and said 'tough, deal with it'

odd garnet Dec 20, 2016, 12:35 AM

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we need a way to have a secondary camera, be the output to the monitor.

So you can see your character/surroundings.

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:14 AM

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maybe someone can help

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(vive) my motions controllers work but I cant see anything on my headset

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just steam default background

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:15 AM

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how do you know they're working?

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:15 AM

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i can see it on my computer

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:15 AM

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see what?

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:15 AM

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and also when i go to desktop mode

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my motion controlelrs teleporting in UE4 editor

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:16 AM

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huh, ive never seen my motion controllers in ue4 editor

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interesting

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i only see them when im playtesting

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or debuging or whatever you call it

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:16 AM

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oh I can only launch?

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i thought i can "preview"

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lmao let me try tha tsoryr, very new

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:16 AM

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well yeah vr preview

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is what i use

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:17 AM

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ah ok let me give it a shot ty

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:17 AM

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i think thats what its called

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but i setup my project to have specific meshes for my controllers

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you might not see that if you havent

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or if you're not loading a vr-ready project

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:18 AM

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I was using the VR template

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in 4.14

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:18 AM

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ahh

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i havent used that yet

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not sure what that actualy does

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i use the vr like level though

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that they give you

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with the big platonic solids all around you

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i have fun knocking them around with my laser pointer mode

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:23 AM

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lol

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i need more ram =/

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that compiler is eating my cpu up tho

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sheesh

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thought i5 6600k was enough just like for gaming

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:24 AM

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deving is a bit stiffer than a gaming requirement

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unfortunateyl

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it pays to have more than enough ram

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:25 AM

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maybe early bday present for i7 6700k and another 8 gigs

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:26 AM

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there you go

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i have a 6700 for my vr demo rig

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:26 AM

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i have a VR gaming rig

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:26 AM

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im still rocking an oldschool i7 for my dev box though

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:26 AM

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ah gotcha

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atleast my 1080 is up to par

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:27 AM

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my app isnt terribly taxing for my dev rig though which is good, for now

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once i get into custom level loading though

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:27 AM

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I was tempted to do unity vr

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but i just dont like the asset buying

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need to drop so much cash to have a nice flow

opal bobcat Dec 20, 2016, 1:27 AM

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i just like the fact that ue is c++

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thats my prefered language

still frost Dec 20, 2016, 1:29 AM

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i actually get to choose C++ or java in 2 semesters at school

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i was leaning towards c++

wintry escarp Dec 20, 2016, 1:32 AM

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heeeeeyyyyyyyyyy

storm vortex Dec 20, 2016, 2:24 AM

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@still frost If you have a choice I'd go with C++. It's a more difficult language to learn and once you learn it all the other are much easier afterwards. Java included.

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 2:59 AM

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Does anyone know if in Unreal it is possible to interact directly with a skeletal mesh (bonus if using blueprints)? Say you have a weapon that is fully rigged and you add a socket can you attach to the socket and interact directly? Maybe playback the animation solely based on the position of the hand on a certain axis?

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:37 AM

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there is animation plugin, Allright Rig and Full Body IK plugin

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:38 AM

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Okay so that works directly with the vive controllers?

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:40 AM

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lol, no

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you have to implement that yourself

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do you know C++ ?

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:40 AM

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Okay.. then my question is, does Unreal have the capability to have the vive interact with the skeletal mesh

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Not very well, I've only used BP in Unreal so far

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:41 AM

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so, basically you want to move controllers and see your player's mesh move hands accordingly ?

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(to match your real arms to virtual arms)

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:42 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwozMU0dl7M

YouTube

Leon Rosengarten

Unreal Engine 4 VR Sniper rifle test

▶ Play video

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That is what I want to do. Can I do it by interacting with the skeletal mesh? Or do I need to seperate the pieces out.

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:42 AM

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they simply attach rifle model to one of the controllers

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that's what you probably call VR 101

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:43 AM

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Yes, and with the other hand they pull back the bolt

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that is not vr 101

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:43 AM

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can be done with BP only most likely

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:44 AM

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They hold the gun with one hand.. and pull back the bolt with the other hand... The rifle is a single static mesh with a rig attached to it.

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unless they changed it, that is a store asset so I have the exact same one

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:44 AM

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probably just move bone in sync with controller

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and the bolt mesh is rigged to that bone they move

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:45 AM

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Okay, so the vive controller can attach directly to bones in a skeletal mesh then

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:45 AM

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no, other way around

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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ah yes I see what you mean

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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you would need to make sure that the bolt bone moves only along one of its axes and translate motion of the controller to linear movement of the bone

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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Okay, so basically set it up so the interact sphere grabs the closest bone? Yeah I've seen that in the VR plugin I looked at where they had it locked down to movement

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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world to local coordinates

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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But obviously not something I can do in BP, would have to be in C++ directly correct?

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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I don't know mate, I am just saying how I'd do it, coming from rigging and animation background 😃

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if you can manipulate bones via BP, why not?

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also, instead of bones, you can make that rifle to be a BP actor, where rifle itself and bolt would be 2 static meshes

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this way you don't need to bother with bones

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:49 AM

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Yeah I did seperate out 5 different pieces of the rifle in Blender so I have them all out as static meshes and assembled back together in a BP, but wondered if in the future just attaching to the rig was easier

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or even possible

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:52 AM

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but why?!

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if you have rotating parts that rotate around different axes and for a fact you can manipulate bones in BP, then maybe

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otherwise it's easier to deal with static meshes

umbral imp Dec 20, 2016, 3:58 AM

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If it is simple to attach to the bones it might save me some time in Blender, that was really the only reason and wanted to be completely sure there wasn't a better way.

real needle Dec 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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Great 4.14.1 just broke SceneCapture components 😦

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Repro by just adding a single capture component with a texture applied

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20ms render time gets added

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This is in stereo

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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report to Epic ?

real needle Dec 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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Yy I'm on it

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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(although they are on holidays already)

real needle Dec 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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fuck.

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I'm about to push a christmas update...

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And I need to find 4.14.0 on git and build from source since you can't download an earlier hotfix version through launcher

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 4:23 AM

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heh, Launcher just crashed on me for no reason

wicked oak Dec 20, 2016, 9:58 AM

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http://uploadvr.com/tpcast-wireless-vive-kit-works/

UploadVR

Hands-on: TPCAST's Wireless Vive Kit Really Works

We finally go hands-on with TPCAST's wireless upgrade kit for the HTC Vive, which will be releasing in China early next year.

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fukin awesome

clever sky Dec 20, 2016, 10:59 AM

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I have spent hundreds of hours in wired Vives over the last year and I did not notice any latency differences between the headsets I’ve been using and this wireless one. We plan to do extensive testing with the consumer version of TPCAST when it arrives to fully examine the latency numbers, but for now, we found the overall motion to photon latency feels way under the 20 ms benchmark required for comfortable VR headsets.

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Daayyyuummmm

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The hype is real!

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Now disappointed that I didn't order one of the initial batch.

scenic mason Dec 20, 2016, 11:00 AM

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https://twitter.com/BioblazePayne/status/811156228453711876

Twitter

@BioblazePayne

Bioblaze Payne

For all #GameDev & #IndieDev Materials for @Tiltbrush in @UnrealEngine https://t.co/yAGC2rHeIj #UE4 #Tiltbrush #UnrealEngine @GoogleVR #Free

clever sky Dec 20, 2016, 11:01 AM

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What is that? A material where you can control opacity and color? Yay?

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Ah ok. It's a twitter link to the tiltbrush mats.

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 1:26 PM

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When you test that wireless thingie @clever sky please let us know here, objectively 😃

sudden trail Dec 20, 2016, 2:30 PM

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Anyone know why Sprites only render to one eye on the Vive?

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 2:36 PM

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Palmer's fault

inland acorn Dec 20, 2016, 3:09 PM

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stupid question. where is the best place to put the save and restore game logic? Inside the PlayerPawn?

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Or where?

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 3:14 PM

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https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?117205-Binary-Compressed-Save-System-Save-Entire-Dynamically-Generated-Worlds!-♥-Rama

102124

Dear Community,

My binary compressed save system has been released!

Use Cases For This Plugin

Saving all the data and actors for a strategy or action game, so the entire world state can be instantly reloaded from a tiny file on your hard disk.

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https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?88541-Plugin-Auto-Save-Game

https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/item/Store_Savior_Thumb-284x246-ec959fe7a61e1054a455b6d79578fc2d.png

http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff408/BrUnOXaVIeR/Gumroad_zpsgtloe8l7.png

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you could just use one of those and save yourself from writing your own system 😃

inland acorn Dec 20, 2016, 4:34 PM

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@mighty carbon Thanks a lot!

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but too late.. in the meantime I wrote my own :o)

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 4:45 PM

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at least you can look at where they put theirs

crimson tide Dec 20, 2016, 6:15 PM

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anyone know of a fix or workaround for the broken loading screen in 4.14? really hoping we don't need to wait until 4.15 for a fix

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https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-39216

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 6:26 PM

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voted!

short locust Dec 20, 2016, 7:47 PM

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I voted too

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I just started something new, went to use WidgetInteraction and found out it doesn't work in multiplayer 😦

wicked oak Dec 20, 2016, 7:50 PM

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u sure of that?

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you are probably getting desynced in some way, or have your Owner chain fucked

short locust Dec 20, 2016, 7:50 PM

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https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-36882

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?

wicked oak Dec 20, 2016, 7:51 PM

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interesting

short locust Dec 20, 2016, 7:51 PM

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It could be my owner chain, I was just looking for tips on how to check it when I found this

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https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/500895/413-bug-widget-interaction-component-stops-working.html

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Apparently it's still a thing

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But someone suggest a workaround. I just bound things to key presses instead, which is probably a terrible idea

full junco Dec 20, 2016, 8:39 PM

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@crimson tide well 4.15 will is quite soon

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was branched already, so master is now 4.16

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4.15 preview should start soon

crimson tide Dec 20, 2016, 8:40 PM

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oh ok, well that's good to hear, hopefully the fix will be in it 😃

wicked oak Dec 20, 2016, 9:12 PM

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so Preview coming soon?

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anyone know whats on it?

wintry escarp Dec 20, 2016, 10:52 PM

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are the phone gyros the easiest way to fake HMD movement?

mighty carbon Dec 20, 2016, 11:05 PM

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But why?!

wintry escarp Dec 20, 2016, 11:12 PM

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so I don't need to put it in the headset to test things

storm vortex Dec 20, 2016, 11:38 PM

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I'd love it if we could use a TrackIR with the motion controllers to not have to put the headset on all the time for testing little things

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 12:17 AM

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@wintry escarp turn on dev mode on in your Gear VR software and after that it will act like Cardboard, using phones IMUs.

full junco Dec 21, 2016, 12:18 AM

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@wicked oak material reroute nodes 😄

keen solar Dec 21, 2016, 2:59 AM

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Does anyone know how to scale the resolution on the Gear VR in 4.14? My project ran fine in 4.10, but it keeps overheating in 4.14.

full junco Dec 21, 2016, 3:28 AM

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@keen solar r.screenpercentage ?

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:29 AM

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You guys try Serious Sam First Encounters?

keen solar Dec 21, 2016, 3:44 AM

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@full junco It dosen't have any effect. The Gear plugin seems to completly disregard the device profiles and won't respond to console variables at runtime.

full junco Dec 21, 2016, 3:44 AM

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hm ok

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 3:48 AM

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Movement? Teleport or regular movement?

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personally regular movement is preferred for me

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:52 AM

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@odd garnet is that a question about serious sam?

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It's got free movement (touch trackpad and move in the direction of controller + trackpad)

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It's got teleport (point at the ground and teleport there)

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and it's got 'serious warp' which allows you to move directionally

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 3:52 AM

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No not specifically.

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:52 AM

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With teleport.

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 3:53 AM

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Always having teleport decreases how cool TELEPORTING seriously is

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:53 AM

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Oh. ok 😛 so it was more of a general question

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And yes, I agree.

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Also standard teleport implementation seriously dulls how cool teleport can be (with the right presentation).

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 3:54 AM

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I'm having a character in my game who has a spell that allows him to teleport.

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No other class can do that

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and its limited

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so teleporting will be cool again

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#MakeTeleportingCoolAgain

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:54 AM

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For it to work though, you have to have a competent movement system

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and you have to allow teleport to provide some kinda advantage

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 3:56 AM

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I'm using the VR Expansion Plugin. So most of the framework is done. I just have to add particle effects

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:56 AM

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Fair enough

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 3:56 AM

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I think it'd be REALLY cool to have like a "dimension door" using something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt3NLTnCUTk

YouTube

FreetimeCoder

UE4 Portal Doors

▶ Play video

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:57 AM

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That's clever... potentially fantastic puzzle game mechanic right there.

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 3:58 AM

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Do you know if there is any good tutorials on this?

The one i saw has to take into account your screen resolution so I didn't know if it work or not

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 3:59 AM

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I haven't seen a VR specific tut for it either

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Worse that could happen is you get a pseudo portal

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where in VR it looks like a flat movie like picture to the other space.

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 4:00 AM

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"maaaagic"

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 4:02 AM

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'eehhhh... good enough!' walks through

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But as a spell for fast travel

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That'd be awesome

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Summon a portal.

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Bam. Walk through.

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In the new area.

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Better hope your loading tech is as good 😛

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because right now, it's more like walk through - screen gooes to compositor.

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 4:03 AM

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thats just level design

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we can work with that

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 4:03 AM

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Well, you can hide loading with level design. But going from one far away to another arbitrarily

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Is a more challenging task to plan for.

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Unless it's a predestination.

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 4:04 AM

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Yeah but distance is relative.

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in VR nothing is real

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 4:04 AM

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But like... a spell to arbitrarily load a different area.

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I'd be interested to know how you quickly load the new area in?

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Or would it be disguised

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via the portal effects - i.e. it doesn't show the other side until its loaded.

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Probably the best way to do that kinda thing.

odd garnet Dec 21, 2016, 4:06 AM

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oh here: https://youtu.be/PQy7C1RowB0

YouTube

Altan Zagas

UE4 - Portal Doors Tutorial - Part 1 [ The Portal Effect ]

▶ Play video

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Level streaming, if you haven't seen it, is POWERFUL

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 4:07 AM

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Yeah, I get level streaming. Certainly ways to design the system to take advantage of it.

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But it seems like there are areas that it can't cover.

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Like in the example I provide - as a fast travel system from one town to another town in a game like Skyrim.

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Well. Not can't cover.

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But essentially because you can't tell where the player will go with the fast travel system until they select it.

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You can't preload the level in to provide a seamless transition

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Anyway, GTG! chat laters

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 4:53 AM

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so, any videos of SSam:FE ?

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 5:18 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmHEYAtMUto << rebuilt Crypt using non-Infinity Blade assets, and got massively better performance

YouTube

motorsep

Phaeton Chronicles new Crypt

▶ Play video

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(stuff inside just for performance testing)

wintry escarp Dec 21, 2016, 5:36 AM

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are you looking for something? like clues to hidden part of map to find grail?

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 5:39 AM

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Not liking how that arrow is sinking into the ground

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Do a line trace from that X-Y down

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well... from a certain distance up then down. then put the arrow there.

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 5:47 AM

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arrow sinking is a bug with capsule trace

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so I am showing Epic where it is

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 5:47 AM

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Ah

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 5:47 AM

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going to upload the project for them to dissect

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 5:47 AM

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Fair enough.

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 5:47 AM

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line, box and sphere traces work fine

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 5:48 AM

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I was looking at the vid thinking... weird, it kinda works in most areas but then it's got obvious issues in some places.

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 5:48 AM

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😃

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@wintry escarp just an experience of being in another world.. Probably will add some interactions and some bits and pieces of lore

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This is basically a project where I learn UE4, Gear VR, FMOD and maybe I'll get lucky to make some cash 😃

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I usually would pay up to $2 for a throw away experience myself

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off to sleep.. cya later o/

clever sky Dec 21, 2016, 5:56 AM

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ciao!

digital marlin Dec 21, 2016, 7:22 AM

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Good god damn, i hate the shitty music some non-speaking tutorials have.

mighty carbon Dec 21, 2016, 12:24 PM

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At least you can mute the video and play your own music. Can't do that with voice that puts you to sleep :p