virtual-reality

[clever sky]

Depends on what you put on it. But yeah, the extra bits of a cake make a cake stand out I'd say. Certainly, it's what makes people pay for one cake over another 😛

Anyway, we get it!

[full junco]

haha yeah

[clever sky]

Exactly. Roomscale is important for VR.

And it's great that there's competition in VR.

[full junco]

the only problem with room scale is the room scale of people's rooms 😂

[clever sky]

But somehow that simple fact doesn't translate to the userbase appreciating that fact 😛

[storm vortex]

I guess I just wish the competition with Valve and Activision or someone other than Facebook

Someone that isn't selling your data for advertising

[full junco]

yeah someone with more focus on games

[storm vortex]

I was crushed then Facebook bought Oculus

[full junco]

like EA and valve

[storm vortex]

I canceled my DK2 order, especially how they took orders right before FB bought them

[clever sky]

Well... again, I disagree to some extent. I think VR goes beyond gaming, and it's great that Facebook recognize that.

[storm vortex]

I dislike EA but I would have rather Oculus gone to them than FB

[clever sky]

I think if Facebook didn't buy Oculus, we'd have a smaller PCVR marketspace

and more mobile VR

[storm vortex]

yeah competition wouldn't have been as hot

[full junco]

EA became better since that John ricatiello guy left

he was evil

[clever sky]

I mean I get that the optics of facebook sucks.

[storm vortex]

Yeah I still refuse to buy from them, but I have taken notice they seem to be improving

[clever sky]

But the money they bring to the table has been a huge boon for VR.

[storm vortex]

They started a technical arms race

[full junco]

I still find it funny that the guy who made EA the most hated American company or something like that became the new ceo of unity

[clever sky]

Like... as much as we hate exclusives... that's just how a good deal of content has to be funded right now.

[storm vortex]

That guy said in a conference call that we should charge per bullet in games

[full junco]

yeah

[storm vortex]

I think he is worse than comcast

[clever sky]

Hahaha... that's hilarious

[full junco]

wonder why you don't yet have to pay per console command in unity

[clever sky]

In an 'Oniony' sort of way.

[storm vortex]

I'm surprised Trump didn't pick him to be head of something

He'd be a perfect fit

[full junco]

hahaha

[storm vortex]

Like in charge of Education Dept or something

But if you planning on cutting that, then I guess it doesn't make sense to put people in charge of it, but I digress

[clever sky]

Nah man. The game industry exec that you'd most likely pick to be in the Red pocket is

Bobby Kotick!

Guy seems to have faded out of news in the last couple years though.

[storm vortex]

or Jack THompson

That would be a real nightmare

[full junco]

don't know those

[clever sky]

Jack Thompson isn't an industry exec. Just an insane delusional lawyer 😛

Bobby kotick is CEO of activision-blizzard

[storm vortex]

" Thompson is known for his role as an anti-video-game activist, particularly against violence and sex in video games"

He's basically a censorship nut towards games

I don't know much about Bobby is he not liked?

I never understood why those companies merged

[clever sky]

Bobby is ruthless.

[storm vortex]

I'm jut glad they got away from Vivendi. Hopefuly Ubisoft is able to avoid them.

[full junco]

we can be happy that Tim Sweeney is super awesome

[storm vortex]

YES

[clever sky]

❤

[storm vortex]

I love how Tim bought like a whole nature preserve

[full junco]

#SWEENEY2020

[short locust]

Anyone here used the VRExpansion plugin with Rift and Touch? It's crashing for me.

It runs fine with a Vive

[clever sky]

Nope... D:

Haven't got my touch yet.

And if that's true. Damn that sucks

I'll have to dive into the Plugin and take the stuff I need from it.

Which is kinda what the guy recommends you do anyway.

[pallid echo]

@short locust The VR Expansion Plugin is based on OpenVR which for now (unless he has other plans) only works on the Vive since that's what it uses. Rift has whatever they use to make their stuff work which is not OpenVR.

[short locust]

It's no longer OpenVR, but I suspect the issue is something similar.

[clever sky]

Have you posted on the thread?

[short locust]

Yeah, I'm just repackaging in 14.1, just in case, beforeI post the crash log.

The error log says: [2016.12.09-08.39.46:961][553]LogOutputDevice:Error: Ensure condition failed: false [File:D:\Build++UE4+Release-4.14+Compile\Sync\Engine\Source\Runtime\Core\Private\Math\Matrix.cpp] [Line: 9]
[2016.12.09-08.39.46:961][553]LogOutputDevice:Error: FMatrix::InverseFast(), trying to invert a NIL matrix, this results in NaNs! Use Inverse() instead.

Which I think is happening on BP_Teleport_Controller_C

So I may need to disable the Steam controller detection

[clever sky]

Oh.

I get that error

when steamVR doesn't load up properly

i.e. I load unreal before steam VR

the headset launches

but the controllers don't register D:

[short locust]

Weird

I also need to get my head around the whole Server/Client setup. For some reason it's not quite clicking in my head

[pearl tangle]

4.14 should fix that problem zaptruder

[clever sky]

That is in 4.14

The HMD is fine.

But the controllers are still not registering 😛

At least sometimes.

[pearl tangle]

hmm havnt had that problem on mine

[clever sky]

Haven't kept close track of the occurrences.

I just sigh and reboot 😛

[pearl tangle]

i was setting up scripts on my event machine 1s before and was annoying to have to start up steam vr and then call up app and shit. much easier to know i can just call the app

[clever sky]

Yeah. Well... it's great when it works for me too 😛

[short locust]

If I'm putting player names above heads, do I run the text change OnPostLogin and make the text object on the pawn replicate?

Or am I missing something?

[clever sky]

Oh sweet. 4.14.1 is out

Updating for that sweet 1ms per frame improvement.

10% improvement in VR for freeeeee

[native cedar]

what gives -1ms?

[real needle]

@short locust VRExpansionPlugin runs just fine with Rift and Vive for me

OpenVR supports rift

Some stuff in the plugin is for steam only though, like getting model verts and textures

[short locust]

Oh, maybe I broke something then

[real needle]

My current issue is that my playercontroller doesn't start ticking on the initial level of the game....

[short locust]

Are you using the template at all?

[real needle]

No, I just looked over it

I can probably answer if you have some questions though

[short locust]

I'm just testing with the template, I think I'll start a new project and test that way, see if it helps.

[clever sky]

@native cedar Some sort of overlooked optimization that they fixed for 4.14.1

[wicked oak]

i kind of need any optimization i can get, so ill have a look

Vive runs noticeable worse on my game, a 1 ms improvement is a big improvement

[clever sky]

Arizona Sunshine fallout getting picked up

http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/8/13891322/vr-funding-oculus-vive

Whole thing has me annoyed enough that I'm reconsidering doing VR game development. Just stick with corporate like Zoltan 😛

Make stuff for unappreciative mouthbreathers that don't want to pay, or make stuff for clients that are excited about the value you bring to the table. Tough choice!

[wicked oak]

i talked about this on a virtualreality discord

its due to the accumulated salt on vive users

they are stupidly mad and jelly from the new Oculus Touch great reviews and free games

so when one of those high profile games comes to Vive too

and it happens to have exclusive content for i7s

they get a trigger of epic proportions

and they direct their rage to the arizona sunchine people

its similar to the Palmer shitstorm becouse he got found funding Trump trolls for fun

[clever sky]

Haha...

accumulated salt on Vive users

I love that imagery.

[wicked oak]

people were super annoyed with trump and the like, so when palmer got found, they focused their rage of all things trump related to him

fairly similar i think

[clever sky]

Yeah, that thing really nailed shut the hero image people had of Palmer at the start.

Like he wasn't in a great place by the time it happened.

But then it happened and all the love people had for the original boy wonder story

was turned into bitter black bile hatred

Kinda like a bitter bitter breakup.

[wicked oak]

it was also spun up by the media

the one that was funding trolls hard was hillary

[clever sky]

Of course.

Whoa now.

[wicked oak]

she destroyed a good chunk of reddit

[clever sky]

Let's step back from the brink of another political debate for a bit.

[wicked oak]

it was a shitstorm both ways

[clever sky]

Or at least recognize that both sides were doing crazy shit.

[wicked oak]

anyway, the exclusivity thing is blown way out of proportion. At least now they removed it

[clever sky]

And that one side was assisted by the Russian propaganda machine.

[wicked oak]

i have a picture around there compairing r/vive and r/oculus yesterday

in r/oculus there is 1 thread about arizona sunchine

on vive

is 9 out of 10

[clever sky]

Yeah, just constant flood of crap about exclusivity deals.

Luckily someone made a post lamenting that Smashbox was getting buried

[wicked oak]

i have seen the normal annoyance about it on the oculus reddit, and people being annoyed. But they stopped completely once they removed that thing

[clever sky]

under the avalanche of noise.

And I found it, bought it. Bloody great game that one.

I think Dean Hall really stirred the pot there.

Made some great points.

But the people that were angry...

they just wanted to be in an echo chamber.

Anyway. I'll probably make a VR game still just for fun and learning.

... about the only people that can profit from the current state of VR are solo devs like ourselves

At least if we can manage to crack a few high thousands of sales.

[full junco]

@clever sky have you tested that 1ms improvement in 4.14.1 already?

[clever sky]

@full junco Nope. It's just what I've read.

[full junco]

you have to enable it with a console command

[wicked oak]

how?

[clever sky]

The improvement?

[full junco]

yeah

[clever sky]

Or the testing?

Oh.

Is there a thread with more details somewhere?

[full junco]

it's not enabled by default because it can cause culling issues as far as I remember

[clever sky]

Ah right.

[full junco]

there's no thread about it

[clever sky]

Makes sense.

[full junco]

I posted about it here

that's where you read it

[clever sky]

in discord?

[full junco]

yeah

[clever sky]

Yeah, ok. Cool, cheers.

What was the console command do you know?

[full junco]

no

[clever sky]

haha :p time to dig.

[full junco]

wish discord had a search

I could look in the puush history though

[clever sky]

I'd post about it on the forum... but I can't even remember the details. Just you saying there's a 1ms improvement!

BRB. Scrolling upwards for not sure how long.

[full junco]

ok maybe I remembered it wrong and you don't need to enable it, strange

https://puu.sh/syv1a/75d6662ed5.png

look at the 4.14 github branch, there's the commit, maybe I saw in the code that you need a console command

[clever sky]

Phew

I scrolled up a months worth of messages

and found nothing.

Except the realization that I may be posting on this channel too frequently.

[full junco]

😂

[clever sky]

incorrect culling with fast camera movements.

Doesn't sound too bad.

Do they do patch notes for X.1 updates?

[full junco]

look at github

[clever sky]

Ok

[brazen oyster]

or forum: https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?130838-4-14-1-Hotfix-Released

[clever sky]

Cheers mestela

[noble crater]

when i package my game in development mode and "Stereo On" in level BP it launches into VR mode on startup. when i package in shipping mode it doesnt go into VR mode... what am I doing wrong?

[clever sky]

@noble crater there's a checkbox since 4.14 (or 4.13 maybe) that lets you tick - launch as VR

One of the first one under project settings - All

Alternatively you can create a shortcut of the .exe with -VR

[noble crater]

@clever sky seems to have worked, thanks!

[clever sky]

no worries

[full junco]

@clever sky did you find the commit?

I did now 😛

vr.SteamVR.UsePostInit is the console command, I remembered correctly

[clever sky]

I found the file.

And had no idea how to read it.

I'm like. Well. There it is.

[full junco]

http://puu.sh/sJvVp/6e1406abae.png

[clever sky]

Man, I'm bad at the real development stuff. Spending too much time in BP.

I didn't even get to the green text.

Just white everywhere.

[full junco]

the green text is at the top 😛

[clever sky]

https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/blob/release/Engine/Plugins/Runtime/Steam/SteamVR/Source/SteamVR/Private/SteamVRRender.cpp

That's what I was looking at.

[full junco]

ah

its not the right file

[clever sky]

For future reference, how do you navigate to the updates?

[full junco]

I told you search for the commit in the 4.14 branch 😄

https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commit/af9d6262473492e4e9850133a128c95663ebb5be

you see all commits listed here: https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commits/4.14

[clever sky]

Cool. Thanks for that.

Will be somewhat easier in future! 😄

[full junco]

I hope so 😄

I'm not using 4.14 so I can't really test it in my project unfortunately

[clever sky]

Yeah, gonna test myself soon

Handy that it's a console command

Can AB test easily

[full junco]

yeah

[clever sky]

Just entertaining my niece right before her bed time...

[full junco]

ok 😄

I'm wondering though why they make it sound like it only affects steamvr and not oculus

[clever sky]

Hmm. I'll test with both... if I can get Rift running with my project

haven't tried yet.

[noble crater]

@clever sky with "Start in VR"=true the game always goes into fullscreen mode, adding "r.setres 800x600w" to level bp didn't help (the window appears the flash at that size briefly but then go back to fullscreen). any ideas?

[clever sky]

@noble crater honestly nope. I didn't realize that was an issue, as I wanted my stuff in fullscreen 😛

But I think there's a start in fullscreen checkbox not too far from that?

[noble crater]

there is but I already have it unchecked

hm I guess I can deal with fullscreen if this isn't easy to fix

[clever sky]

Hmmm.

Bug report time! 😛

[tribal citrus]

Hello Peeps, Is it easy to have the VR template track the touch controllers? Does it work out of the box or is there something I need to do?

[wicked oak]

it does

but dont expect detailed hand animation

only the super basic anims the robohands do

[clever sky]

@tribal citrus Depends on what you mean. But you can drop the Touch controller meshes on the motion controller component. And they should show up 1:1

Things like showing button presses and movement and hand animation states gets more complicated.

[clever sky]

@full junco Preliminary testing with the vr.steamvr.userpostinit shows that there may be a 0.5ms improvement? Hard to tell. I'm running at 4-6ms per frame when not spiking.

[mighty carbon]

so, people don't get mad about console exclusives, yet they get mad about VR exclusives... Entitled generation.. I miss good ol' days in gaming world without social media, game ranking and user reviews on the store front, etc.

http://uploadvr.com/facebook-demos-prototype-touch-controllers-temperature-regulation/

neat

lol, just wow https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/5hcjlf/great_article_from_polygon_about_the_arizona/ :/

(article is great, comments make me wonder about viability of VR gaming market)

[clever sky]

I can see why gaming has the reputation it does now.

TV, film, music... they get happy fans.

gaming? Angry fanboys.

on average, not as a hard and fast thing 😛

Of course you can find examples of angry TV/film/music fans.

and happy gamers.

But on average. So much rage and testosterone in gaming D:

[fresh laurel]

Too true @clever sky

[clever sky]

Fuck. Wish we could be in the basic income era now.

So we could all sit around working on passion projects

[mighty carbon]

it wasn't like that in early and mid 90s

[clever sky]

without sweating about paying bills

[mighty carbon]

(from what I remember)

[clever sky]

@mighty carbon it wasn't. The reception was a lot more controlled by media, who are by comparison, extremely professional.

[fresh laurel]

Same @mighty carbon

I do not remeber that either

[clever sky]

And that's saying a lot, because gaming media are not extremely professional.

[fresh laurel]

^

[mighty carbon]

nowadays you mean? Back in the days it felt a lot more professional

(granted, all we had were paper magazines)

[clever sky]

Well, they've always been enthusaist media rather than professional media.

The difference been that they don't get deeply critical and provide deep insight into the industry

Simply they cover the products

[mighty carbon]

aye

[clever sky]

Like professional journalists back in the day might do.

Jeez.

The internet has really ruined modern public discourse huh. D:

Knee capped the hard yard investigative reports and reputation of papers in favour of clickbait maximizing algorithms.

[mighty carbon]

I don't think it's Internet per se, but Valve

[clever sky]

And the information is freer than ever.

But we choose to make echochambers with it. Who knows. Maybe I'm in one now!

😄

[mighty carbon]

Steam was sooo much better without user ranking and user review system

Like, if Touch was reviewed by users on Steam, it would have horrible reviews and ranking o.O

[wicked oak]

review system is fine, user ranking too

it was needed

[mighty carbon]

no, it wasn't needed

[clever sky]

Well... it needed to be paired with low barrier of entry to Steam

[mighty carbon]

when you delegate control to the mob, you get what you have now on Steam

[clever sky]

But it's been problematic.

In many ways.

[wicked oak]

you get steam now due to greenlight open door policy

[clever sky]

Due to relative lack of moderation.

[mighty carbon]

I got on steam without greenlight

[wicked oak]

i do too, vr games

[mighty carbon]

It took a while, but Valve liked my game and approved it

[wicked oak]

but you did before greenlight even existed, no?

how many sales, btw?

no need for the exact number, just a ballpark

[mighty carbon]

and it was less crowded Steam back then, which I absolutely enjoyed

[wicked oak]

well of course, you game was frontpaged for a while

[mighty carbon]

enough to let me be indie for 2.5 years full time

in US

[wicked oak]

see, thats my main argument against greenlight

the less games that pass, the more money they get

im very confident my games can pass it

becouse i can alraedy pass things like ps4 review

but my game releases, and the same day, another 10 games release

at least 6-7 of them much worse than mine, 5 of them probably complete trash

[clever sky]

Yeah. Gotta do the marketing hard yards nowadays D:

[wicked oak]

but we are indies

no notion of marketing nor money to do it

[clever sky]

I know :"(

[mighty carbon]

PR cost an arm and a leg :/

[wicked oak]

to be fair, im looking at it

[clever sky]

Basically just send your shit out to anyone that'll listen

[wicked oak]

and im very tempted to go the shotgun mobile style

release a game every 2-3 weeks

sell it for 2 dollars

no early access, real release

[mighty carbon]

and contribute to market saturation, yay :/

[wicked oak]

so you get the full views

[clever sky]

Heh.

[wicked oak]

you might easily get a few hundred dollas each time, easily

but if they are cool little games, each new game you do might be interesting to the buyers of your old one

i did vrmultigames to test that

[clever sky]

Is it possible

to break apart your games

[mighty carbon]

you know how Nintendo saved the industry from crash back in the days? They artificially limited number of published games per year to a minimum.

[clever sky]

and then have them somehow talk to each other

like you buy one

[wicked oak]

good idea

[mighty carbon]

So whoever got through, got paid really well

[clever sky]

and then if you buy another one

[wicked oak]

yup, nintendo seal of approval

[clever sky]

the same game can access both games

[wicked oak]

Sony still does that

[clever sky]

through lobby or some such.

[wicked oak]

not sure if that is actually possible on steam

[mighty carbon]

I wonder if console market is much better than PC market nowadays

[wicked oak]

if as an indie you can get on it, probably

its quite hard

due to how hard it is to pass ps4 review

[clever sky]

So you expect that PSVR will be your money maker?

[wicked oak]

unless DWVR goes huge on steam , could be

[mighty carbon]

I am thinking of XB1 and if that happens, I can go to PS4 and then get on PSVR eventually

[clever sky]

Probably... much less content, much larger userbase.

[wicked oak]

DWVR would have no competition on PSVR

at all

not a single game even close

[clever sky]

Gotta dev me some PSVR

[wicked oak]

meanwhile on pc "but dem wave shooters"

[clever sky]

Haha.

[wicked oak]

my concepts for the next game could work well on psvr

dwvr is problematic for a few reasons

[clever sky]

Turning mechanic?

[wicked oak]

so i might actually go to develop the next game directly for PSVR

[pearl grove]

Sorry if this has been spoken about before(no search in discord) but has anyone ported a Vive controller game over to a Touch controller yet?

[wicked oak]

i have

on UE4 its no issue

just change the hand mesh

[clever sky]

Didn't you do it the other way around? 😛

[pearl grove]

How did yoou remap the face buttons?

[wicked oak]

uhm, thats a lot more complicated.

[pearl grove]

like face1-4 for example we map to certain movements

[wicked oak]

Imput has to be redone, mostly

[pearl grove]

joy

[wicked oak]

in my case, i have different "Hand Actors"

wich just handle imput themselves

so the Vive Hand is one, the OculusHand is other, etc

and they go attached to a Motion controller component on the pawn

[pearl grove]

Do the face buttons work at all with the touch controller?

or did you have to rethink that approach

[wicked oak]

yes

face button 1-2 is the AB buttons

[pearl grove]

like if youo put the analog stick up and push it in, will that send a face1 signal to ue4?

[wicked oak]

joystick is the exact same

uhm, that im not fully sure, i think its not

[clever sky]

You'd have to map that in input

probably.

[pearl grove]

ah, so pressing a will send a face 1 signal to ue4?

does xy send face 3/4 ?

[clever sky]

Dammit. I want my touch controllers so I can test this stuff

[wicked oak]

i just use the touchpad as a joystick

and do the calculation myself

both vive touchpad and oculus joystick work the exact same

oculus has the 2 face buttons, vive has the menu button wich is called "shoulder" on ue4

anyway, my biggest problem is that i dont have an artist on the team

with an artist i can go full time PSVR and release a professional level game

but i dont

[pearl grove]

Does anyone know the mapping names for the Touch controllers? On the oculus website we have something liek ovrTouch_LThumbRest but what does Unreal call that?

@wicked oak - I assume you have touch controllers there right?

[mighty carbon]

@wicked oak making current gen art takes a lot of man-hours

so, either have to have 10 artists, or 1 artist and go with limited number of assets, or go with low poly style

[clever sky]

Or go marketplace assets all day long.

Which is what he did 😛

[mighty carbon]

yeah, but you still need extra content

and that content should match (or resemble at least) assets you already have

[pearl grove]

@clever sky - yep, same here

do that to see if there is demand in yuor product and if so the sales will come and you can go through and replace all of the assets with custom ones

[clever sky]

Or at least hire artists to mesh it together

And make it more unique to what you're doing.

But yeah. I guess that's kinda the answer to the Arizona Sunshine debacle.

Market not big enough for A grade content.

And consumers too hostile against obvious funding mechanisms

So, you're going to have to deal with market place assets. If you like it enough, then it'll slowly improve and look and feel better.

Until they get angry about that too. Hahaha D:

[pearl grove]

it's funny, we're have multiple gamers, ignorant to how anything works regarding the marketplace, accuse us of ripping Skyrim assets out of that game and putting it in Yore.

so there's that risk about using too much marketplace stuff 😃

[clever sky]

Haha...

D:

[storm vortex]

heh, all my stuff is marketplace stuff. If people don't like it I don't really care though. The game wouldn't be able to exist without them.

[graceful junco]

Has anyone here worked with LODs in VR? My LODs look fine in the editor but in the HMD they quickly pop between different LODs when I turn my head. I guess the screen size at which the LODs are supposed to switch is not calculated correctly for the HMD. Is there something I can do to fix this?

[mighty carbon]

@wicked oak we could work on Tomes of Mephistopheles reboot after you done with DWVR 😉

@graceful junco I did.. That's just how it works, unless you turn on dithering option in the materials.

(and you don't really want to dither transition because it "eats" performance)

[graceful junco]

So no LODs for VR?

Deciding which to use based on distance would work I guess

[clever sky]

Fogs for VR 😄

Seriously though HLOD just turned my stuff into jittery mess.

Not that I need it.

[mighty carbon]

@graceful junco why not? Just have to live with limitations. My LOD pops, but it also pops in non-VR.. Just less noticeable.

[graceful junco]

Ah hmm, you're right. It's just a very noticable transition. For some reason I thought there was a bigger issue. I guess I'm standing right in the transition area between two LODs. Just need to adjust the transition settings a bit more then.

[pearl grove]

@graceful junco - Yea we seethe same issue, mainly only when going from LOD0 to 1

[graceful junco]

Just seems like the screen size setting is way off between VR and non-VR. I need to almost double the settings

[mighty carbon]

try using dithering

but yeah, it is what it is - there is no perfect solution and even if you do it with distance, you might still end up on the edge case (although the pop won't happen when looking around as with current LOD setup in UE4)

[graceful junco]

I'm rather lucky in my design I guess. I don't even need to switch between LODs at runtime, my player only moves on a 10x10 meter platform. I just need to get it right once so nothing pops, then I'm good.

[upbeat holly]

thanks guys this is really helpful

Currently working on VR stuff, LOD's were going to be a big part....now im not so sure

[clever sky]

Compromises! Compromises everywhere!

Just gotta know how to balance them 😛

[upbeat holly]

yea exactly

[clever sky]

But... maybe the right compromise is dial down the number of things and complexity of objects on screen.

[upbeat holly]

the classic trick is hide things behind other things

[clever sky]

Yeah.

Occlude sightlines all day long.

[wicked oak]

my game is such a fucking problem with that

my level has 3 million and 2000 drawcalls without HLOD and agressive lods

just with the culling

ive been able to lower it to 1 million polys and 700 drawcalls

with aggresive HLOD-ing

popup is intense

good that i do fast teleport, so its less seen

[upbeat holly]

Yea its pretty similiar in games also

[wicked oak]

but if you fly around in the editor

it is very intense

[upbeat holly]

Its v noticeable when something LOD's

[clever sky]

@wicked oak For what it's worth, I didn't note popup in my playthroughs of DWVR

... I think that says more about me not taking notice of popups than anything else really 😛

[wicked oak]

not that obvious if you do blink movement XD. But its kind of masked due to the high speed of teleporting

if you see it in monitor

is way, way worse

but in monitor you dont need that

so the PC level for Deathwave (wich got the new DWVR levels) are at high graphics, with all ambient FX added, and no hardcore LODing

and it runs fine

but that whole "stereo" thing...

[upbeat holly]

EA killed the Red Alert 2 remake in VR mod

😦

sry my bad pls continue

[clever sky]

Well yeah. Some companies have lawyers that will aggressively pursue trademark infringement.

[storm vortex]

D: I didn't know anyone could even get that mod

Was that the Vive mod?

[clever sky]

Well, the dev showed it off and then dead.

[upbeat holly]

same i dont think it was released

[clever sky]

Don't think he released it

[storm vortex]

Ah, I think he used the OpenRA codebase and then just replaced the UI layer

[clever sky]

Oh ok.

Well, I guess that answers why he didn't just use different assets and designs.

[storm vortex]

It wouldn't be too hard to recreate. That brings the question though... How hard is it to allow for mod support of games?

[clever sky]

In Unreal? Shouldn't be too hard?

[storm vortex]

Well his assets are unique. OpenRA you have to provide your own assets

Like if I wanted to make generic space shooter but then someone makes steam workshop items that match some other space genre

Does Unreal support that kinda thing easily like the source engine?

[clever sky]

Uninformed opinion: I think there's like a few checkboxes you tick that enables it?

At least that's the impression I get

from how they open up modding for some UE games

Like it's literally Unreal Editor.

That you use.

[storm vortex]

All the info I could find made it look like you had to use the editor and rebuild stuff

[clever sky]

to mod the game.

Oh

[storm vortex]

I would really like to play some old Star Wars games in VR

[clever sky]

Maybe I should look into that.

[storm vortex]

but wouldn't want to make them if I couldn't release them as some generic shooter that could easily be modded into the proper thing

[clever sky]

The game I want to build would probably do amazing if players could mod it easily.

[storm vortex]

I'd really like to play Jedi Knight or Dark Forces in VR

It would be easy to do, but like I said I don't know how modding works

[clever sky]

Just build a lightsaber in VR first? 😛

[storm vortex]

I'm mostly interested in the first Dark Forces

no light sabers in that one

[clever sky]

Ah

Well. Dark Forces some olddddd school stuff.

[storm vortex]

yeah, but that game has great level design even though the graphics are dated

[clever sky]

Loved it as a kid.

[storm vortex]

I replayed the whole thing a few years ago and it holds up really well design wise

[clever sky]

Speaking of old games in VR

[storm vortex]

Garry's mod has a whole section of star wars assets in the workshop that are very high quality

basically ripped from other games

[clever sky]

Ultima 7... in VR...

[storm vortex]

If I could get those into unreal engine I'd be pretty happy.

[clever sky]

Would be a lot of work to rebuild Dark Forces to UE4ish standards though.

Even if you do borrow a butt load of assets

Unless you're cobbling together mismatching existing assets.

[storm vortex]

I wouldn't rebuild the game, I'd just do levels similar to it.

[clever sky]

Ah ok.

Levels inspired by

[storm vortex]

The idea would be to build a good space shooter that is easily modded into what it should be

[clever sky]

Yeah, could get a fair amount of attention.

Probably wouldn't even get shut down if it was brief enough!

[storm vortex]

It's next on my list after the first game I work on is done if someone hasn't done it by then

I just want to run around and shoot storm troopers. Is that too much to ask? 😛

[clever sky]

We won't be seeing that for a while D:

Unless you make it for yourself 😃

[storm vortex]

That's why I have a feeling I'm going to have to do it myself

[clever sky]

Yeah

[storm vortex]

8-Bit Armies is made by the people that did Red Alert 2. Basically clsoe to the same game but without all the awesome sound effects and voices. They made modding the game very easy to do.

Many of those classic games of the 90's and early 00's I don't see being remade without something like in app purchase or something to annoy me

I just want to play the old games with modern graphics, no need to update gameplay

[clever sky]

https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Modding:_Adding_mod-support_to_your_Unreal_Engine_4_project

[storm vortex]

Yet we get remasters of games that came out like 5 years ago

[clever sky]

You've gone through that right?

[storm vortex]

I read that doc before, it wasn't what I was hoping for

I was hoping for something closer to source engine modding. Where a user can just drop in an asset to override the default one

[clever sky]

Ah

[storm vortex]

That was something the source engine nailed

[clever sky]

Yeah... that was the kind of modding I was thinking about too

[leaden jackal]

Do any of you have a press distro of VR youtubers and streamers that you wouldn't mind sharing?

[silk lodge]

@leaden jackal are you lookin' for an e-mail db?

[leaden jackal]

@silk lodge Yeah, email would be ideal

[silk lodge]

@leaden jackal https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JqS9pBgBw_xYuEb3dwsAVkCBonud50MP8ZtYBqYw-iY/edit#gid=0

[leaden jackal]

Awesome, thanks!

[midnight tree]

question. i am trying to make a menu in the form of a touchscreen. i dont want to use laser pointer like line trace but instead want the player to pull the trigger to point, then use the fingertip to push the buttons. i set it up with a collision sphere that is on the fingertip. would it be easier to do a linetrace that is very short range? it seems that menus use clicked or hovered, easier to do with linetrace?

[leaden jackal]

Are you using UMG buttons are some type of 3D object of a button to interact with?

For our menu interaction, I added a socket to index finger and attached widget interaction component to it with a short interaction distance (10 I believe) http://i.imgur.com/EFgxkld.gifv

[wicked oak]

man that is such a great idea for a hud

is that yours?

[leaden jackal]

Yup, its for our Paperboy inspired game Special Delivery http://store.steampowered.com/app/561230

[midnight tree]

well it will be on a touchscreen so i was gonna use a menu widget

@leaden jackal that is very close to what i want to achieve yes

[leaden jackal]

In that case, widget interaction component attached to finger socket would be my recommendation

[midnight tree]

ok so i have a socket on the fingertip, and a collision sphere attached to the socket

shouldi just remove the collision sphere

just leave the widget interaction

[leaden jackal]

You can remove collision sphere

You only need the widget interaction component

[midnight tree]

ok

[leaden jackal]

I use a collision sphere on the hand to detect when its close to my buttons so I can switch from open hand to pointing finger.

[midnight tree]

the red arrow is pointing towards the player, should rotate it 180 degrees i'm assuming?

yeah the way i have it is pull trigger to point to interact with menus

and grip to make fist/ grab stuff

[leaden jackal]

Ours uses trigger press to simulate the click event. Prevents accidental button clicks as your hovering

[midnight tree]

makes sense

will have to toy with that variant

[leaden jackal]

If you didnt want button press to simulate click event, you could always just use the OnHover button event instead of the OnClicked

[midnight tree]

yeah

i mean im going to display the menu on a laptop touchscreen and on a smartphone

so i think hover would be better, but like you said, could cause accidental clicking

will try bot hways

still lots to learn on my end

[leaden jackal]

Yeah, especially if you have multiple buttons close to each other since you dont have a physical screen to stop your finger, its easy to accidently hit multiple buttons

[midnight tree]

yeah i can imagine

i figured the cellphone will have limited usability

[leaden jackal]

Also recommend throwing a DoOnce on your button event to prevent multifiring

[midnight tree]

as few buttons on the screen as possible

oh yeah great idea

alright @leaden jackal i gotta take off, but im gonna toy with this a bit. if you dont mind giving a few pointers if i get stuck, would you be up for that? ill try not to bother ya too much.

[leaden jackal]

Anytime - Just shoot me a PM if you don't here from me in this channel

[midnight tree]

sounds good, thanks

[spring pond]

OMG I have wondered why there wasn't a good paper boy clone in VR yet

[frosty geode]

In 4.14, bumping the headset slightly forces focus on the engine away from other applications. For example, I'm in Chrome and then rest my elbow on my (standing) desk, which forces the Rift to move slightly, and then I'm forced into Unreal. I'm not sure if this is on Oculus' or Epic's side, but it's a pretty annoying "feature".

[spring pond]

eek really?

I definitely don't notice that in editor mode

never really tested in stand alone

Interesting, ya, I just tried it and sure enough it stole focus from discord and put it back in the UE4 stand alone game, but only if the "wearing the headset" sensor thing was on

if i pumped it around on my desk it was fine, but as soon as i put my thumb on the sensor it took over

[storm vortex]

That sounds like a Oculus specific thing. I keep the Vive headset resting on my shoulder half the time and I haven't had it change the window focus. @frosty geode

[fresh laurel]

The sound of Silence VR

[clever sky]

MagicLeap info here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicleap/comments/5hgtll/im_reed_albergotti_the_information_reporter/

The FOV was better than the HoloLens (maybe 30% bigger, but I don't know the exact number). But again, the WD3 uses a reflective optics/beam splitter. You can have a much bigger FOV with that tech. You go to diffractive and you are going to be much more constrained on FOV. I did think it did a good job of showing the images up close. But again, much easier to do with a mechanical lens that can focus to any depth. An early prototype of the HoloLens also had a mechanical lens doing just this thing. And they had to get rid of it. I didn't get a demo of the interactivity. I couldn't manipulate the objects with my hand. I used a controller in one demo.

^Reed talking about the prototype that was shown around to other reporters

The PEQ was not finished. It was just a bunch of circuit boards and chips. There was no "ID" as they say covering up the electronics. There was also no external battery pack, which Magic Leap plans to use.

PEQ = Production equivalent

Interesting to hear about the off HMD battery pack. Wonder if that means also off HMD processing.

[midnight tree]

@leaden jackal got it pretty much figured out. thanks for the tip 😃

[opal bobcat]

's vr file picker is really coming along nicely now

[wintry escarp]

everything ive heard of hololense says it works great, but in a tiny window

if the real FOV was any smaller it would be Trumps hands

[brazen oyster]

Yeah we had a play a few weeks ago, the tracking is incredibly stable

Fov is small but useable

[opal bobcat]

and the tracking is 100% self contained?

no external sensors or aynthing?

[brazen oyster]

Yes, all self contained

I got to the demo late, others said that calibrating the room took some time, but after that it was rock solid

[opal bobcat]

ahh so they have to walk aroudn looking at stufF?

or soemthing like that

[brazen oyster]

Yeah, similar to the vive room calibration process from what I understand

[opal bobcat]

nods

does ue have any suppport for HL at this point?

[brazen oyster]

I read elsewhere that someone calibrated their living room, attached apps to walls, 3d geo to the coffee table etc, then walked with the hololens outside, round the street a bit, then back inside, and everything was tracked exactly as they left it, which is pretty impressive

[opal bobcat]

yeah

no drift

thats some srs engineering

[brazen oyster]

Don't know about UE, this was a friend of a co-worker bringing his hololens in to our studio for the morning

[opal bobcat]

that could be a new world record title

longest persistant virtual object

[brazen oyster]

Ha, yeah, we should've done time trials

'How far can you get and come back in 10 mins? Go!' Hires uber, kyak, hot air balloon

[opal bobcat]

like could you traverse the glbe

and the virtual object not be preturbed

would it pick up on earthquake movements

in the form of the object being preturbed by the 3d delta of the earth after the quake

[brazen oyster]

ha, there must be some hololens early adopters around new zealand

this guy sending angry emails to microsoft, 'my netflix window is no longer aligned with the wall!' http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161115102850-new-zealand-earthquake-house-exlarge-169.jpg

[opal bobcat]

lol

[clever sky]

Hololens would be fun to dev for.

What would you make for it though? Enterprise applications right now only though.

Would be useful for medicos

[brazen oyster]

Public spaces like galleries/museums would be great

Warehouse workers

[opal bobcat]

aslong as it wasnt to annoying tow ear walking around

[haughty dawn]

hey, can anyone confirm whether distance field ambient occlusion works in the vr view?

[clever sky]

Pretty sure the only kind of AO that works in VR is baked AO

[haughty dawn]

Thanks @clever sky.

[clever sky]

no worries

[real needle]

anybody knows how to get the oculuis boundary system's boundaries in ue4?

hmm okay, so its only avaliable in 4.14

[clever sky]

What version are you on?

[real needle]

4.13

[wicked oak]

new glowy eyes for my main enemies XD

the ones before were made of particles, and they were often removed due to particles being set at "low" for vr

this ones are mesh with a special noise material

i allways love doing flashy procedural stuff for some FX materials

[upbeat holly]

nice...

I cant wait for zbrush to be VR compatible

Gonna be amazing

[clever sky]

Medium

Is as close as you'll get for a while

And it's legit. Some people are using it in production line

Can export to FBX

and continue tweaking in Zbrush

[upbeat holly]

I heard bad things about it tho

Like theres only one brush

not enough techniques etc

thanks tho ill check it out

[clever sky]

Yeah, it's not full featured

[upbeat holly]

meh

I need something production capable

[clever sky]

But it does... as much as I overuse this phrase in regards to VR...

show the potential of VR sculpting quite well!

[upbeat holly]

hwahawhaha

Sweet

I cant wait

Head busts are gonna be so much fun

its gonna be like sculpting in real life

first VR then there will be AR apps

the future is incredible

[clever sky]

Sculpting in real life, but with super powers

[upbeat holly]

yup

[clever sky]

i.e. material from my butt, and weightless models!

[upbeat holly]

o yes

[clever sky]

Well not literally my butt

but you know what I mean

[upbeat holly]

I certainly do

*nods head rapidly

[clever sky]

Butt material for sculpting would just be.

[upbeat holly]

seen it

[clever sky]

Well. unique.

[upbeat holly]

Simpsons did it

[clever sky]

Hahaha

Sweet. My in progress alpha/beta of my locomotion demo nearly uploaded...

[upbeat holly]

wuts this?

[clever sky]

I've been working on a locomotion system for VR

I think it'll blow socks.

[upbeat holly]

ok so like node based teleportation or wut?

can we just get treadmills already

[clever sky]

Don't want to give away too much in words.

[upbeat holly]

ok

[clever sky]

But it's a system. Not just one solution.

Lots of options.

Something for everyone!

[upbeat holly]

lul

[clever sky]

Wanna sign an NDA and test it? 😛

[upbeat holly]

maybes is there any timeframes you need it done by/

[clever sky]

Ummm... in the sense that I'll be releasing it hopefully on steam within the month

means useful feedback will have to come before then 😃

[upbeat holly]

yea man, I would love to but I think im not the guy, Im crazay busy rite now

especially this month

bad timing

I guess everyone is doing stuff for new year...

[clever sky]

Fair enough!

Xmas not the best time to drop bombs? 😛

[upbeat holly]

thanks for offering, and cant wait to see it

no sir

[clever sky]

Maybe I'll keep polishing it

[upbeat holly]

I barely have time to play with my vive as it is

Google earth was crazay though

[clever sky]

Yeah it was.

[upbeat holly]

one day that will be photoreal

[clever sky]

Most 'played' for me in the last couple months

Other than my own thing

[upbeat holly]

yea it has a lot of value

[clever sky]

Damn. Wanna show/get feedback from someone that hasn't seen this demo yet. I'm in a desert!

[upbeat holly]

there will be peeps who come around surely lul

[clever sky]

Yeah, you just happened to be around as I'm about to finish uploading! 😛

[upbeat holly]

*if you only had one shot

*cue 8 mile music

[clever sky]

Don't understand the reference!

[upbeat holly]

*points finger..

YOOUUUUUU

*im not sure where im going with this

4k or 5k screen

[clever sky]

I'm not sure either! 😃

[upbeat holly]

what to get?

[clever sky]

4k? More support

[upbeat holly]

yus

good answer

When is 8k textures coming to vr

answers on a postcard

[clever sky]

You can put 8k textures into VR experiences now.

You just won't be able to appreciate it all at once.

[upbeat holly]

yusss

[clever sky]

You might need to get your face up close to it.

[upbeat holly]

I can find a use for it 😄

[clever sky]

More nuanced answer on texture size if you were curios:
https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/105725/texture-size.html

8k x 8k is possible. But not recommended 😛

[upbeat holly]

thnx man i read this already

I mean you can use for texture atlas etc

RAGE was a good example

Im really looking for when 8k becomes the standard tex size

maybe 10years

[clever sky]

Ah yeah ok

[upbeat holly]

but tech is really heating up so could be less with foveated rendering

[clever sky]

Well texture size is more a limitation of memory bandwidth

[upbeat holly]

yuh

[clever sky]

Then it is GPU processing

[upbeat holly]

Titans needed bro

"On January 6, 2016, director James Gunn stated that Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 will be the first (feature) film to be shot in 8K" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K_resolution

Holy mosses

its here.....

[clever sky]

Can't wait for 10-15 years from now

when we can watch 8k in VR theatre with 180 degree FOV

[upbeat holly]

yup

16k probs

for real life clarity

[clever sky]

Well, it'd be 8k for traditional frame cinematics.

[upbeat holly]

oh right

[clever sky]

Because you can only squeeze so many pixels into a certain FOV

and if you go past that FOV, it becomes difficult to actually see the entire screen. Unless you're filming for that sort of large aspect ratio

[upbeat holly]

Supersample?

[clever sky]

Wonder if that helps film that much?

[upbeat holly]

yea its commonplace

[clever sky]

Like downscaling 4k to 1080p.... is it sharper?

[upbeat holly]

yup

standard practice

[clever sky]

Ok.

[upbeat holly]

although usually its 4-2k

now it looks like they will do 8-4k

[clever sky]

But there's surely diminishing returns

[upbeat holly]

Depends on the size of the screen 😄

[clever sky]

like is it better to do 16k to 4k via post process

[upbeat holly]

Cinema screens for example

are big.

[clever sky]

So you play back a 4k file that's been downscaled

[upbeat holly]

I think it would help, but basically you just want the max res your end output can use

[clever sky]

Or to take 16k file and play it back with the last step been a 4k screen

[upbeat holly]

if its a 4k screen no point

use supersampling downscale to 4k

it will be much sharper

[clever sky]

Supersampling as a real time thing?

[upbeat holly]

its used in film vfx

not sure about games, though Nvidia has a option in gpu cards to enable

[clever sky]

Yeah, some gamers use it on older games

[upbeat holly]

prob not as effective because of resource cost

[clever sky]

to maximize the benefit of their new high end cards

But too expensive to run otherwise.

Gotta share this with someone:

North Korea has reportedly made an official request to state officials in China pleading with them to stop referring to Kim Jong-un as fat.

Kim Fatty III is a popular nickname for the North Korean leader in neighbouring China.

Other popular nicknames include Jin Pang Pang (Kim Fat Fatty) and Jin San Fei (Kim Abundant III).

[upbeat holly]

lol

Kim Abundandt

hahahaha

[clever sky]

Hahaha

[upbeat holly]

Kim Fat Fatty is gold

Just imagine.....its so popular they had to make a news story bout it

[clever sky]

They made a plead to state officials

for the state officials to stop calling their leader fat.

Hahaha....

not even common citizenry.

[upbeat holly]

lul

[clever sky]

Kim Fat Fatty pleads for chinese state officials to stop calling him Kim Fat Fatty

[upbeat holly]

i mean hes not.....fat fat

[clever sky]

He's lovably rotund.

[upbeat holly]

hes expressively plump

[clever sky]

Also incredibly vicious.

[upbeat holly]

he's approaching pi

[clever sky]

Like umm... a hamster bent on world domination.

[upbeat holly]

He enjoys latte's

He ate the extra slice

is this the face of a monster?

To me he just looks lonely

needs a hug

Dad was a dictator....what did you think he was going to do

Volleyball.....

[clever sky]

You want a Kim Fat Fatty plushy don't you?

I'm going to sculpt kim fat fatty in Medium

[upbeat holly]

only if i can get it life size

lol

[clever sky]

Get him into my game

and then put a sphere collider around him

then bat it around.

[upbeat holly]

lawl

There needs to be a game: Trump vs Kim III

[clever sky]

Yeah.

[upbeat holly]

So much win

[clever sky]

Get Putin sitting in a big throne up above the action

Overlooking the fisticuffs between trump and kim

[upbeat holly]

just political Deathmatch

[clever sky]

I think we could make money with this game.

[upbeat holly]

clinton is like a special character like reptile in MK1

[clever sky]

Let's do it!

We will call it: The Highly Accurate Simulator of Global Politics

[upbeat holly]

needs moar guns

[clever sky]

Yeah. That'd be amusing.

World leaders with death match weapons.

[upbeat holly]

and fragging

[clever sky]

What happens when they die? Explode into a swarm of spiders particles? 😛

[upbeat holly]

They dont die they multiply

[wicked oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH0hBJTpEkI

this is very neat

[full junco]

@clever sky so you tested that console command thing?

[clever sky]

Yep

Couldn't really figure out if there was much of a difference TBH.

0.5ms maybe?

My frame times vary throughout the level

[full junco]

is it a level with many individual actors or components in it?

[clever sky]

Whatever the case is, it doesn't help me much as my frame times are around 4-6ms when it's not spiking. 😛

Not really!

None of my levels are.

[full junco]

I guess it helps most when there's a really high amount of objects that need to get culled

[clever sky]

Yeah. Well, will definetly have to test it more under more varied conditions.

[full junco]

yeah

I'm on master and epic still didn't merge it into master...

I could try to cherry pick it from 4.14 but who knows if that would work or if there would be conflicts with that due to master being way ahead of 4.14 now

[clever sky]

What's the difference between master and 4.14.1?

I thought that was master?

[full junco]

master what will be 4.15

[clever sky]

Ah

ok, so master is the latest branch that's been worked on?

And 4.14.1 is release branch?

[full junco]

4.14.1 was a hot fix so only like 20 commits were added compared to 4.14

in master you are thousands of commits ahead

[clever sky]

Fair enough.

What kinda goodies are in 4.15?

[full junco]

4.14.1 should be release branch now, yeah

4.15 has reroute nodes in the material editor 😀

[clever sky]

Finally!

Seems like a curious oversight

[full junco]

I care most about general rendering optimizations

when something like the forward renderer gets improved I don't want to wait months until there's a stable release

I have to wait for it to support shadows from movable lights and ssao

[clever sky]

Yeah, fair call.

[wicked oak]

whats the stuff in 4.15 for the forward mode?

i might be interesting

after all im already using github version, just the 4.14 branch

[full junco]

@wicked oak what?

ah, what's new in forward? well some optimizations I think

a lot of reflection stuff, I think static reflections are way cheaper now

I don't use any of those so I didn't care much

[wicked oak]

uhmm

interesting

might try it

[wraith sky]

https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/epic-games-supports-khronos-group-s-vr-api-standards-initiative if someone missed

[neon egret]

Still need to fiddle with the sword actually turning with me. Currently it feels a bit wrong.

https://twitter.com/exifrexi/status/807697416795328515

[wicked oak]

what kind of attachment is that?

looks like a direct parenting attachment

[pallid echo]

@neon egret I fully expected you never to jump on the swords in VR bandwagon. lol

[wicked oak]

mine are done with physics handles and constraints

it collides with the world and an enemy with a shield can block your hits

its buggy as hell, wich is a problem

[inland acorn]

I'm doing swords, too. I parent attach them to my hands. This gave me tons of headache but after severl dozent hours I have it working.

Getting the collision right afterwards was an issue.

after one year of work I can say doing an indie game for VR all on myself was one of the most stupid ideas in my life. But I can't stop right now. I need to finish this.

[upbeat holly]

@neon egret Love it

[neon egret]

@wicked oak @inland acorn Well, it's a direct attach. I don't know yet if I want to make sword be physically blockable

Right now it's more about getting a correct grabbing system working ,where I only need to setup some variables in my actors and they all can be grabbed etc

@pallid echo You make that sound like it's a bad thing

I like RPGs and the "swords VR bandwagon" is not really a thing for me

It's not like I'm making the 2000th wave shooter

Currently, for the Vive, there are 2 proper RPGs afaik

One that lacks levels and one that is not yet released but has some really decent graphics (done in UE4)

[leaden jackal]

Anyone else seeing a big difference with throwing objects using Touch vs Vive? With the Vive it seems like objects are much heavier and I can't throw them nearly as far.

[wicked oak]

probably the angle

the center of mass on the vive vs the oculus, their Origin is different

[pallid echo]

@neon egret Nah, its not a bad thing lol. But the RPGs don't have to be "proper," they just have to be releatable to each other in some way which is the swords. For example Zombies, everyone and their mom was making zombie games regardless if it was a slasher, or wave shooter, etc, thus zombie band wagon. For whatever reason I see a lot of people trying their hand at something dealing with swords. You got Raw Data with their sword, got UE4 indie devs doing test projects with sword combat, got Vanishing Realms, the game that isn't released yet (I know which one you are talking about), the list kind of gets longer depending on how many medieval theme games you can find as well.

I was actually expecting loads of sci-fi VR games.

The mass of wave shooters we are seeing caught me by surprise too.

[wintry escarp]

what are they?

like gauntlet?

[neon egret]

@pallid echo So you are basically against swords in VR

Cause Raw Data isn't even an RPG

[pallid echo]

Fine whatever, swords in VR

lol

Which is what I said to begin with actually.

I said sword bandwagon

not RPG wagon

😛

[neon egret]

True. Though i don't see the bad thing about them. We have swords and pistols and what not in normal games too and they are repeating there too. I'm way more annoyed by the repeating gameplay aka waveshooters for VR

[pallid echo]

There is nothing bad about them, just starting to see a lot of it.

[neon egret]

I didn't :O, but fair enough then

[pallid echo]

I only bring it up because I happen to be working on a game that uses swords....

lmao

[neon egret]

I don't even know if I ever create a game from that. It's more a dynamic grab system for VR

Sword happened to be the first asset coming to my mind

[opal bobcat]

anyone find it weird valve is in neither of these two new tradegroups?

well standards group in the case of kronos

[clever sky]

I have swords in my stuff too!

Sword bandwagon for all!

[midnight tree]

has anybody played with scalability in VR?

what can and cant be done/ used?

[full junco]

@opal bobcat valve isn't in what khronos thing? what do you mean?

@midnight tree same like without vr

[midnight tree]

no issues or anything?

just wanted to ask, to make sure

but thats good to know

that will certainly help

[full junco]

you can't disable enough, only enabling some stuff in vr is bad

[clever sky]

Think you need the world to meters scale

to do IPD change?

Which will simultaneously do height change

[full junco]

what? he's talking about graphics scalability settings I thought?

[clever sky]

Oh.

Well, not sure. What are you talking about @midnight tree

[midnight tree]

yeah

thats what im talking about

working on something that is a bit on the heavier side in terms of graphics, would like to offer the option to scale things back

was ooglin all over the scalability page in the wiki

was just curious what applies to vr and what doesnt

[full junco]

@clever sky when someone says "scalability" you think about height stuff? haha

[clever sky]

@full junco Well... I'm a VR guy 😛

I think about scaling up and down like in Google Earth

[full junco]

when you Google for unreal engine scalability you probably find the ue4 docs about ue4 scalability settings, and that won't be related to the size of stuff 😂

[clever sky]

Fair enough 😛 now I know

[clever sky]

Anyone interested in trying my VR locomotion demo? Need to sign an NDA though. But... it's (I think) a game changer!

[midnight tree]

how would i attach an image or something (billboard?) to the hmd so i can track where the head is located? im using vr template

[clever sky]

You can put a mesh on the camera

child it to the camera

[midnight tree]

hm i did, its not showing

atleast i think

[clever sky]

What's the situation

[midnight tree]

i have a phone setup with a front facing camera

[clever sky]

Are you wearing the HMD?

[midnight tree]

i attached a billboard to the camera

the hmd locked camera

i pickup phone, turn on phone camera (render texture)

[clever sky]

You wanted to see the location in editor?

[midnight tree]

and i can see my hands

but not head

[clever sky]

Don't think you can see billboards in game?

[midnight tree]

i tested

i put the same billboard on the hands

no issues

[clever sky]

Ah

[midnight tree]

showed up just fine

[clever sky]

Hmmmm

[midnight tree]

so its not rendering where the hmd should be

[clever sky]

When you have it childed to the HMD

or camera

does it show up in editor?

Before you start anything?

[midnight tree]

hm lemme see

negative

[clever sky]

Ah ok...

Well, I guess it must be the plugin that I use

that allows for that

VRExpansionPlugin.

[midnight tree]

hold on

i might have done it to the wrong camera

and yeah i was playing with that

planning on switching to that eventually

this is for testing

[clever sky]

Fair call.

[midnight tree]

alright

got it working

it ended up being attached to the wrong camera

ill shoot you a video here in a sec, trust me, you will love this XD

[clever sky]

😄

[midnight tree]

Hope ya enjoyed that

[clever sky]

Sorry was AFK

watching now

@midnight tree Haha 😃 Fantastic.

Nice smartphone... any ergonomics issues?

With controllers bumping into each other when using it? 😛

[midnight tree]

Not really

Only ossue i had was repeated button pressing

It would fire 10 times

[clever sky]

Nice.

[midnight tree]

So i put a cool down on it