the gist of the issue is while discrimination is a bad thing, when it comes to Oculus, it's okay to discriminate them. People who think they are being discriminated against feel like it's ok for them to discriminate and point fingers. Hypocrisy at its finest.
#virtual-reality
mighty carbon
how do you guys do version control ?
rare violet
Perforce for ue4
github for everything else
perforce is a bit of a hassle to get started on, but it works great for giant binary files
i.e. ue4 projects and assets
we have a team of 4 working for many months on one...we tried github but it was impossible...we may not have done every option to make it work with git but i think even Allar suggests perforce
mighty carbon
perforce is pricey, isn't it ?
I guess I can set up my own server using my old PC
just didn't want to run it 24/7
or I could get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102140
anyway, I am out 🖖
storm vortex
@rare violet do you use it with blueprints? How do you handle merge conflicts?
digital marlin
Any of you peeps familiar with VR and widget Huds?
digital marlin
hey Zap
rare violet
hey @storm vortex yes I do, all of our project
digital marlin
Getting an issue where the UMG faces the wrong way
rare violet
there are no merge conflics because you have to check out the file before working on it
digital marlin
For some reason my widget that I'm attaching to a static mesh faces the wrong way and I can only see it in reverse if I hit 'Two-way'
Anyone have any idea? Rotation doesn't help, unfortunately.
rare violet
so only one person can work on a single file
storm vortex
Oh so you are using version control with locking
storm vortex
I was wondering because when I read github mentioned I was curious how that worked
clever sky
@digital marlin Rotating the widget or rotating the mesh?
rare violet
it took a bit to get used to, but we all just check out anything we're working on and its not too bad now
i almost like it 😛
clever sky
Bit weird that simply rotating the widget doesn't help...
storm vortex
@rare violet wait, so you checkout in git, and checking a commit saying make writable?
clever sky
Tried putting it in an empty actor and putting in the game world and seeing what that does?
storm vortex
I've been using git for everything for years now, and now i've gone back to the local zip files method which is driving me crazy.
digital marlin
@clever sky well I've tried both. It's attached to a motion controller.
clever sky
Hmmmmm...
digital marlin
I'm spawning it from BP - would that matter?
rare violet
@storm vortex we do not use github for any UE4 related stuff
digital marlin
Yeah maybe I should just do that
clever sky
No spawning
storm vortex
oh I misread that then
digital marlin
No real need to spawn TBH. It's a single player thing anyway
rare violet
you use p4v the perforce program and then check out directly from UE4
storm vortex
ah okay that makes more sense
clever sky
And then I hide/unhide/set collision on/off as required.
rare violet
when u start editing a file, and hit save, ti says 'must check out'
storm vortex
got it
digital marlin
Yeah
digital marlin
okay, let me see if that makes a different
clever sky
Cool 😃 lemme know how it goes
clever sky
@digital marlin I don't call any spawns at any point. I just have them as a widget component in the actor
and I define the widget to use before hand.
clever sky
Fair call. Well, give it a shot anyway. Make sure that those widgets are turned towards the camera
Or rather, facing away from forwards
digital marlin
Yeah
clever sky
In other news...
MECHWARRIOR 5 ANNOUNCED! OH GOD YES!
Lemme see those details.
UE4, so decent chance of seeing it in VR
digital marlin
Oh perfect for VR
That's awesome. I haven't played Mech Warrior in aboout 15 years
clever sky
Battle Tech was my Star Wars
digital marlin
shit 17
clever sky
when all the other kids was like ooh star wars, ooh star trek
I was all... so lonely. But giant robos will be my friends.
digital marlin
"My best friends.."
clever sky
Me and giant robots... we have a long history.
clever sky
Skeleton mesh?
digital marlin
Yeah
clever sky
Oh, you've put it on the inverted scale hand?
clever sky
Ah... yeah, you need to put it on the motion controller component itself 😛
I just assumed you were...
clever sky
Hahahah 😄
digital marlin
thanks so much
clever sky
I had a similar issue with grabbing a shield
No probs!
Flipping all the bloody normals around when I grabbed it with my left hand.
In the end, had to rotate the thing around.
You know.
Like you would in real life.
clever sky
What gets me is that the skeleton mesh doesn't flip normals
But static meshes do.
Like what's up with that?
digital marlin
Well at least its well documented 8\
digital marlin
eh I guess its how you learn a bunch of stuff
Well, at least how I learn. I usually just keep fucking up
storm vortex
Is that flipping stuff an issue with the VR template? I haven't run into that at all
Before the VR template I didn' t have the issue either, but I didn't have hands at that time either
digital marlin
Well I'm using the VR template as a base
and I was attaching the actor that the widget was on directly to the hand mesh.
storm vortex
Yeah I switched to using that, I haven't run into that flipping issue so was just curious if you were also
clever sky
Oh there are so many scaling and flipping issues with using 2 hands
Worth it though.
Hand presence is awesome.
storm vortex
Yeah im mixed if i want to keep it in my game. Maybe if time. I feel like it will add a bunch more work to make sure the hands look good with the models they pickup
clever sky
It depends on the model.
storm vortex
I definitely don't ilke having full arms unless it is done correctly though. Best I have seen is Raw Data. Art of Fight had full arms for a while but the hands wouldn't match where your controllers were and it looked bad.
clever sky
Symmetrical things are ok
storm vortex
I like H3VR where the model disappears after you pickup something
clever sky
Yeah, I get that. As long as something is moving according to your hand motion, it feels pretty decent.
I prefer to keep the user grounded with the hand mesh though.
Plus I've got a watch/HUD status thing
and that kinda looks wonky without the hand.
storm vortex
yeah im planning on doing something like that too for health
clever sky
It's a literal watch 😄
storm vortex
I liked how it is in Out of Ammo
clever sky
And it's come in handy during the course of development.
Oh, it's this time already??
clever sky
Yeah
storm vortex
that's cool
clever sky
comes from the now node
clever sky
No. Static lighting
storm vortex
The engine can handle dynamic though can't it? I saw some videos on how to have time day / sun movement
Not sure about forward rendering for VR though. I met my first item from marketplace that didn't work. I got this decal pack but they only work with deferred shading 😦
clever sky
Oh yeah. But I mean I'm choosing to use static lighting for my stuff.
You can certainly tie lighting and day/night cycle to real time change.
storm vortex
That would be cool if it matched depending on the gameplay. Although if you only have time to play games at night and you want day it might suck
clever sky
Well you can shorten the day night cycle
storm vortex
I meant if you want to keep it in sync with real time
clever sky
True. But few games do it for precisely the reason you mention.
storm vortex
I recall an old pokemon game doing that and only certain ones were out at certain times of day
storm vortex
Wow I flipped on MSAA with the Forward Renderer by default it uses the TSAA I think. the MSAA looks so much better.
digital marlin
What's a forward renderer ?
storm vortex
It in the 4.14 release. It's an alternative to using the deferred renderer. It makes the video look much shaper and supposed to have better performance.
If you go into project settings and select use forward rendering it will switch to that one. Some materials and things wont work with it though.
digital marlin
oh 8\
storm vortex
You are trading features for better performance, and I think visual quality.
wicked oak
it also has worse performance in some cases
mainly if you have lots of lights and lots of geometry
for simpler scenes is easy to see a impressive speedup
digital marlin
Newb question
Does the UMG have to be part of the event tick to show?
ah nope. I know the answer to that.
clever sky
Trying to make a HUD for my guns.
Anyone know how to assign an actor reference to widget
so that I can read the actor variables
digital marlin
So, oddly enough my widget doesn't show up unless I (via the editor) re-enable auto-activate on the widget actor's scene root.
clever sky
Specifically, the actor that the widget is attached to.
This is how I'm doing it:
And it doesn't seem to be working D:
Nevermind.
You set that thing in Begin Play
not construction
digital marlin
yeah
Just seems like I need to do somethign to activate it.
or rather, make it render
Cause the Widget Interface laser thing I have is blockedby it, I just can't see it unless I turn off and on hidden or if I set auto active on the actor.
native cedar
is there any tutorial about creating something you grab and rotate in VR?
like a floating object you can rotate with your controller by grabbing an edge
wicked oak
a phyisics constraint plus a physics handle
you would use the constraint with locked "position", but free rotation
and then with the physics handle you can grab the object at the place you touch it
clever sky
@digital marlin Yeahhhh!! that's right. I had to go through that hassle too. Hahaha.... sorry, didn't remember until now. It was just one of those; 'huh... that's weird' sort of bugs you deal with and then move on from.
native cedar
@wicked oak thanks!
wintry escarp
does the 90hz on the rift/vive remove the ghosting you can see on the gearvr?
mighty carbon
there is no ghosting on gear vr unless you mean black smearing
wicked oak
yes
mighty carbon
and there is black smearing on Rift and Vive since both use same AMOLED screens
zinc violet
I thought they had different panels
Each display measures ~91.8 mm diagonally, which translates to ~447 ppi. For comparison, the Rift CV1 has ~456 ppi due to a slightly smaller display (90 mm) that still packs the same resolution as the Vive.
or did you just mean the display type?
mighty carbon
type
I don't know what kind of ghosting @wintry escarp is talking about, because there is none, unless your scene is so dark that black color is prevalent
in that case it's going to be in any HMD, even at 1000Ghz
rather, on any HMD with (super)AMOLED panels
wicked oak
man, my game runs so much worse on the vive
the mountain cathedral map lags haaard
my render time is 8 ms
but being vive, the fps is much lower than 90...
wintry escarp
what preview rendering level is closest to es3.1/vulkan?
I have a test scene with coloured cubes floating over a bright ground, move your head and you can see ghosting
could explain why gearvr demos are all so dark
the coloured cubes leave a ghost image behind as you move head side to side
wicked oak
its becouse gearvr is not low persistence
the rift and vive screen flashes
its actually flickering
that way it hides the time where the pixels are changing
wintry escarp
so does gearvr, but only at 60hz
you can force a gearvr dev mode where you can see it on the phone, it looks awful on normal android desktop
reminds me of amiga interlace
that extra 30hz must remove it
mighty carbon
I've been working with Gear VR for a while now - there is no ghosting
there is black smear and it's just a nature of AMOLED panels, you can't get a rid of it
dusky moon
Guys I want my VR project work with both Oculus and Vive, so have to change "Set Tracking Origin" for each of the headsets. as I don't have any headset now , can some1 tell me what is the exact names of HMDs that "Get HMD devicename" tells ?!
sullen stirrup
@dusky moon
those are the names, I got that from a vr template somewhere
no idea if pins pointed the same way though
dusky moon
@sullen stirrup Cool Thanks man !
sullen stirrup
🙏🏼
dusky moon
But I think for SteamVR it has to be set on Eye Level Instead of Floor
sullen stirrup
so according to some posts, @dusky moon
floor level is pretty much used on games where you truly rely on where your floor is in real world space
so when you're standing and walking around pretty much
and so in seated games you basically only care about your height, thus eye level
dusky moon
@sullen stirrup Ah Good to know ! I Don't know why I thought if it's Oculus it has to be Floor if Vive it has to be Eye ! lol I think I was wrong
pitty I don't have a headset now to test but thanks anyways.
sullen stirrup
no problemo 😛
wintry escarp
damn it, ue4 has gone on a compiling shaders loop again
wintry escarp
2000 to go
mighty carbon
it only happens if you switch render preview or mess with materials directly
use material instances
wintry escarp
hehe vehicle game tries to run but crashes after a few seconds
jagged vale
is there a better way to dev for the vive that doesn't involve removing the headset each time you make a change and putting it back on to test? i'd love to have access to my screens with the headset on, not like i need to see my kb/mouse anyway
wintry escarp
play/vr preview?
wicked oak
VR editor
wintry escarp
is there any screen protector for the S7 that doesn't get damaged by the gearvr ? or make the image quality worse
mighty carbon
nope
as a matter of fact, Samsung / Oculus don't recommend using screen protectors
sullen stirrup
how does it damage the screen
noble crater
is there a way to stop the editor minimizing during VR play mode? I usually want to see the output log
@jagged vale I'm pretty sure if you have Virtual Desktop running in the background it'll show your desktop when you exit play mode
but resolution is so low that in practice not very useful 😦
jagged vale
VR editor is no use if i can't code/bp in it 😛
inland acorn
hmm.. my pain causing volumes aren't working in VR... strange
wintry escarp
if you want vr pain try developing for gearvr
digital marlin
This is odd
Why does hiding / unhiding an actor "trigger" its rendering?
Got a actor and a widget attached to it and I can only make it display if I disable visible and reenable it via the editor at run time.
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp why is it a pain ?
you gotta aim for Quake 3 like graphics and you shouldn't have too many issues
wintry escarp
having to remove phone from headset to deploy etc. seeing ghosting you say shouldn't be there
I see ghost..ing
in creepy 6th sense voice
mighty carbon
why don't you take a shot of the ghosting ?
I have less powerful phone than yours and I see no ghosting
only black smears in a very dark scenes
wintry escarp
on edge of objects?
mighty carbon
no, Gear VR only does what your scene can perform
if you have freaking Showdown running on GEar VR, you will have 5 fps
and fps is not Hz
Hz is what your screen refresh rate is
mighty carbon
have you played games from Oculus Store? Did you see ghosting there? If not, you are doing something wrong or you have vision issues or you are Hawkeye from Avengers 😛
wintry escarp
I wonder if its an exynos issue, theyre smoother better phones but the gpu ability is much lower than spadragon820
mighty carbon
I have Exynos in my S6
wintry escarp
all demos ive tried have been reasonably dark scenes that keep contrast quite low
mighty carbon
and choppy fps will cause so called ghosting
wintry escarp
my ghosting scene is probably worst case scenario, almost pure red/.green/blue cubes on almost white scenery
its all fine as long as youre moving towards objects, move head left/right and you get double image ghosts left behind
I did need 100hz on crt monitors before I couldn't see flicker
once I was at 17"
not worth worrying about for now, I would never use such a bright background...would cause eye strain quickly
also drains the battery much faster on amoled
mighty carbon
are you using Unity? Cos I am sure anyone with UE4 tried FPS template first and there is no white background 😉
wintry escarp
own test scene, basically a room with a slit in the roof for dalylight...3 point lights and some pillars
well its a box, but player is inside it
I made it for testing GI bounces
i learned i need a faster pc
mighty carbon
if you get faster PC, might as well get Rift 😉
wintry escarp
if i hadn't needed a new phone i could have got one
an old windows phone doesn't cut it these days
a shame MS so incompetent, WP was decent when it came out
pearl tangle
the windows 10 phones are probably ok now
i got my rift and touch on order from amazon who finally deliver to singapore even though Oculus wont... can't buy the damn third camera though
wintry escarp
strange it needs 3, 1 in each opposite corner should do it
pearl tangle
nah doesn't track well enough
grim condor
my 2 cams are tracking the touch perfectly in a 3m x 2 m room
i have a third cam on order thogh
mighty carbon
Westworld finale, here I come...
wintry escarp
i just saw ep 6
pearl tangle
i found the 2 was dropping a bit more often than I would like. hows the tracking range go when you are right on the opposite corner to the cameras at that distance?
I find it quite surprising the quality I can get with the vive from what room corners that seem like they would get blocked but it somehow manages still
grim condor
i get a small drop out when my body is in front of the touch right in the cornes
corners
but a third cam would fix that
to be honest i dont find my self in the corner when playing
i have a small office thogh
pearl tangle
yeah depends on your setup. I use props in the scene a lot so makes things easier to get occluded. Would be great if valve would hurry up and open up the pro version of lighthouse for us to add more of them.
I would run 4 oculus cameras but chewing through USB ports like crazy
wintry escarp
get addon cards?
grim condor
i have 1 spare usb 3 port for the 3rd oculus cam, but seem to have usb data issues once all usb 3 ports are plugegd in
need to run the 2nd cam off usb 2
pearl tangle
yep thats the problem. you hit the bandwidth limit with them
grim condor
then it all runs with no issues
yeh, annoying, its not even the number of ports avaiable, it is maximum data
pearl tangle
i had the same problem running multiple kinects since a single 1 would chew up the entire bus bandwidth so you can only have 1 connected on each bus at a time
the xbox 1 controller chews through shitloads too
grim condor
ahh yeh
interesting....i just tried my touch set up on my 24GB ram dev system and get no issues with usb3 and all cams plugged into usb3, but on my 16GB dev box i can only run 1 cam on usb 3 and the other on usb 2.
pearl tangle
yeah entirely depends on the usb bus and how its rigged up
on 1 of my machines the front usb ports run on the same bus as 1 lot of 3 * usb 3 ports so can only have 1 thing plugged into the 5 ports pretty much
gotta go for the top end motherboards to get decent design on stuff
grim condor
yep, agreed
wintry escarp
either of then x99 systems?
wintry escarp
x99 the one that runs better?
pearl tangle
doesn't make much of a difference really. 1 of them is a mini itx machine i put together for events and there is only 1 mini itx motherboard on the market still which is asrock so doesn't really compare to the top end full atx asus mobo
the cpu's are pretty much the same
mighty carbon
omg, can't wait for season 2 of Westworld 😱
pearl tangle
anybody done any screwing around with the updated cable actor and attaching to a motion controller yet for making flails and whips and whatnot?
pearl tangle
hah not quite what i had in mind but sure i suppose thats possible
silk lodge
@pearl tangle It doesn't seem to inherit teleport movement and it's funky when you teleport your character
pearl tangle
oh yeah because it would be physically moving it and inheriting its velocity and bouncing like crazy
also it doesn't seem to default handle a max length so if you attach something with mass to the end to try and swing around like a flail seems like it would just fly off into nothingness. i guess using a combination of a physics constraint and that would do the trick maybe
clever sky
Can't you freeze it while teleporting?
pearl tangle
yeah im sure there is a way
clever sky
Probably would have to save the momentum of the component parts into a struct.
pearl tangle
yeah simple way would be just reset it when you teleport
clever sky
Or something?
wicked oak
uhm, you gave me the idea, im going to try a lightning whip for my game
with that physical cable stuff
clever sky
Nice
wicked oak
perfect complement for the fireball and the ice arrow
pearl tangle
hah yep thats what i thought would be cool
pearl tangle
you can create a nice material on it and make it look lightning like pretty quickly
wicked oak
but no idea how to get it to look right
pearl tangle
do a masked sprite sheet material for the lightning?
clever sky
Beam particle with noise?
wicked oak
it needs to be very tridimensional
nope, cant be only 1
the idea is to do sith style rays
so a bunch of them, in an arc
clever sky
Can't you do multiple particles? an array?
pearl tangle
why would you want a rope for that though? just a particle effect would be better
clever sky
and connect them to the points in the rope
pearl tangle
unless you want them to be like impotent lightning that gets affected by gravity hah
yeah but multiple whips?
or more like a cat of 9 tails
wicked oak
uhmm
gotta have to try it
that would actually be a way to do the sith style rays
multiple "whips", with the lightning material, and no gravity on them
but they get added random force in the direction you are pointing
pearl tangle
id start with just the 1 and see
storm vortex
I saw some video the other day where I think it was epic demonstrating some built in rope you could use for phone lines or what not. I can't find documentation on it though. Is that the kinda rope you guys are talking about? All I see are plugins from 2014 @wicked oak
nvm I found it. Cable Actor. I was searching rope
pearl tangle
yep thats the 1
they had it in since the beginning but gave it a big update in 4.14
storm vortex
So would that support like a mace style weapon if we wanted?
Like if I wanted to put a weight on one end let the user swing around from handle?
pearl tangle
thats exacty what we had been talking about before
storm vortex
oh I missed that part, I just saw the laser whip. That's sweet though.
pearl tangle
yeah doesn't seem like its going to handle it so well on its own, but tied together with some other maths and it should be ok
storm vortex
playing with the rope now, seems like the links clip through the floor or ignore physics by default on it
pearl tangle
you need to enable collision
dusk vigil
When I launch in VR Preview, the editor gets hidden and I have to clumsily Shift+F1 and get my editor windows back to view logs. Any better way to do this?
a) Not hiding windows ( saw a thread that said one could tweak the engine code, but that's a bit painful )
b) Log to Hmd-bound debug panel
I guess are the two options I've found so far
Or has the behavior been improved in 4.14 ?
Bloody pain to debug stuff
wicked oak
there is an option to disable that
is not recomended
it murders your vr performance
the editor minimizes so the VR performance isnt affected
dusk vigil
Give me convenience or give me death : ) option huh, ok, let's find that
Mph hard to find anything in options, the search seems to be dependent on the selected section
"instanced stereo" or "multiview" maybe? ( Project->Engine->Rendering )
graceful junco
What does DWVR stand for?
wicked oak
nothing
clever sky
Donkey Wants (to) VR
wicked oak
its the codename, but couldnt find a better name
graceful junco
ah, ok 😃
graceful junco
This Work Very Rad
wicked oak
its becouse it is using Deathwave ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/463870 ) assets
i basically took deathwave and rebuilt it for VR
you can see that the skeletons are basically the same
code is brand new, and the maps too. Little more than the weapon and fx are taken from deathwave
so i called it DWVR as codename
and couldnt find a better name
so DVWR it is
dusk vigil
Viewport gets HMD control, that could be it I guess - Allow to use HMD in normal preview
wicked oak
no
dusk vigil
give me a clue if you can remember it?
wicked oak
im searching
dusk vigil
tag me if you find it, I gotta head off : E
silk lodge
@dusk vigil use less cpu in background
hard light
leap motion is neat, but it kind of falls down in that you have to keep your hands directly in front of you in order to use it
it's also very hard to do anything worthwhile with it
especially as they've scrubbed half the gestures from their own library
but gestural stuff is shit anyway
too unreliable
for some people it 'just works', but others have a real hard time with it, and it's really hard to quantify why it works for some and not others
wicked oak
i prefer the mixed thing that Touch does
by a LOT
you can do basic gestures with touch, but its still a physical thing with a trigger and vibration
clever sky
Touch would be a nice supplementary control scheme
mighty carbon
well, since you really only need to have "hands" in front of you when interacting with world (unless you have bow or a spear), why is it bad? I would expect for tracking to pick up hands as soon as they enter Leap's FOV
clever sky
Not unlike microphone
hard light
this is how I can tell motorsep has neither tried it, nor thought about it :p
how do you use a bow, motorsep :p?
or a spear?
you put one hand behind your head
mighty carbon
you wouldn't be able to use either with Leap, @hard light
since pulling hand would be out of FOV
hard light
ah right, apologies, I assumed you said the opposite
mighty carbon
if you only need to press buttons, etc. in front of you, why would Leap not work for that ?
hard light
but you can't do anything like let the player pick up and hold objects or anything
because the moment they look away from the object they are holding it is no longer tracked
so all you really can do, is push buttons
mighty carbon
ok, so they aren't tracked, but the object is attached to the hand. So when next time hand gets tracking back, object will still be attached to the hand, wouldn't it ?
hard light
but what does it do when you cannot see it?
mighty carbon
who knows.. Put it behind player
hard light
the way leap motion works is that the hand actually ceases to exist when you look away
mighty carbon
eeh, that's poor design on their part :/
hard light
it's not that poor really, it gets rid of all the ambiguity of that you're supposed to do with something you cannot see
mighty carbon
event then, why not to place object behind player, hide it. When hand goes back into FOV, attach it to the hand, show it ?
hard light
you also get problems like, if both hands leave the view, then you put them back, it might confuse one hand for the other
then there's the question of what happens if somebody else's hand comes into view
mighty carbon
isn't there hand ID or something, per player ?
hard light
(this was amusing when we tested it out for ourselves months back)
Leap motion cannot possibly know whose hand belongs to who, it has to guess
it's usually not too bad at guessing, but it does also get it wrong frequently enough
graceful junco
I've used leap motion before I got my vive. The leap motion hands snap back to the default position they have in the character blueprint. And they become invisible, but still keep their collision.
unless something has changed in the last 7 months
hard light
maybe in the plugin you used, we just used the default Leap motion Orion source and rolled our own
but this was a year ago, before there was a plugin
the biggest problem I think, is that natural 'grip' and friction are really hard to do
so you're completely reliant on gestures
mighty carbon
taking into consideration that Gear VR has no motion controller (and who knows if it will ever get one), if one designs input around Leap Motion's limitations, it can work quite well.
graceful junco
Grabbing didn't really work for me. It was ok to test my early game design, but the leap tracking wasn't that great. It didn't track my index fingers well enough, it randomly thought I pointed forward and thus releasing my grip on the objects.
hard light
yeah, the problem is that when fingers close or get obscured it can;t track them, so once again, it's trying to guess
graceful junco
I used it on my desk though, maybe attached to a hmd it's better, idk.
hard light
it's okay
and it is the best thing that GearVR probably has right now
GearVR could just do with an actual motion controller
mighty carbon
There is one (two) in works, using Vive's Lighthouse tech
but it's being made by Chinese and they don't seem to be rushing to release it
hard light
IMHO, it's a really good novelty device, but it's not flexible enough to take seriously / get mass market use
we use ours for gamejams and stuff, it's great for that kind of thing because you can just have fun with it and not care if it's a bit flaky
mighty carbon
mighty carbon
I like how you can shoot with arms crossed 😃
wicked oak
you can do that in my game too xD
you cant throw a gun into the head of an enemy tho
only a fireball
mighty carbon
what I don't like is that robots run, line up around and then you begin shooting :/ That sucks in RR
(at least judging by the video)
it should have been Serious Sam style, when they run at you, they shoot while running, you shoot and they fall with momentum, tumble around, stumble upon each other, get back up and continue
mighty carbon
wicked oak
mighty carbon
http://uploadvr.com/arizona-sunshine-review/ << supposedly one of the few "deeper" games in VR
clever sky
Someone already working on that stuff
mighty carbon
well, it should be done by Oculus/Valve, not a 3rd party
I don't have faith in 3rd parties when it comes to VR
hard light
the problem with stuff like treadmills is they're expensive and restrict player movement somewhat
the other problem is it isn't 'one size fits all' like other gear
mighty carbon
no no, I mean foot placement tracking, so you can see your feet on the ground in VR world
nothing to do with locomotion
hard light
ah okay
in theory you can do that quite easily
some sort of crampon style attachment to the shoe might work
mighty carbon
yep
storm vortex
I hope now that 3rd parties have access to the lighthouse hardware we can get some ankle braclet tracking or some kinda velcro strap you can put on your legs that would let you move your legs in VR
storm vortex
More cameras and similar tracking they use for hands for feet
If anything I would expect the rifts to be lighter since it could be passive tracking
mighty carbon
More cameras is a bad idea.. Not enough USB ports 😛
storm vortex
If they weren't so late on doing hands or not caring enough about roomscale from the beginning I bet they would ahve worked on that. Seems like it would work easier with the camera tracking since the leg peices could just reflect back light, where as the lighthouse needs to transmit data and use power.
mighty carbon
true
Epic needs to do something (or nothing?) about how UE4 is perceived :/
"only for pros" and "for FPS games only"
storm vortex
That seemed a little bias, or someone that hasn't even used Unreal. I haven't used Unity before but I'd say Unreal is very friendly to programmers and likely non.
clever sky
How old is that article?
storm vortex
Also $19 a month?
clever sky
Both engines are pretty much free to use now.
mighty carbon
2016 article
clever sky
To be fair, a lot of the strides towards been a more indy friendly engine has come in the last 6-12 months.
wicked oak
yet, a bit later: "Free with 5% revenue share"
such a terrible article
they contradict themselves
mighty carbon
I worked with Unity for a bit and I never liked it..
wicked oak
andd the fps question is bullshit this days
clever sky
I used it too. C# barrier too high for me at the time...
Actually got into UE for the C++
... turns out, I love BPs!
mighty carbon
not only that, the tools were nothing like UE4 tools
wicked oak
same with the "limited graphics" answer with unity
you can do cool stuff in unity too
clever sky
Yeah, the article seems old
and misinformed and out of date with its facts
Par the course for cheap filler journalism.
mighty carbon
it's like on of the articles on the same site about VR in 2017.. Gear VR not even mentioned while Daydream mentioned as de facto mobile VR platform which will get mass adoption in 2017
hard light
Daydream kind of renders GearVR redundant, so I expect that in future GearVR will simply cease to exist
clever sky
@wicked oak Have you used Medium?
clever sky
You can't download a bunch of touch stuff as a touch dev?
mighty carbon
@hard light how so?
as Samsung smartphone owner, I don't have any intentions going with anything else but Gear VR
hard light
that's because you're a deranged GearVR fanatic
mighty carbon
it's simply better than Daydream
hard light
but from a consumer perspective, Daydream is better than GearVR in every way
mighty carbon
I don't see how half-assed controller can make it all that better. It's nothing like Vive's wands at all
hard light
because they are part of the package?
meaning software will actually support it
you also don't need a Samsung phone to run GoogleVR, or even an Android device
(at the moment you need an Android device for Daydream, but this may well change)
mighty carbon
but it's not better.. It has no focus wheel, if you lose you controller you are f#cked, it provides inconsistent resolution (based on whatever phone you use), it leaks light from all over the place, you can easily damage the body of it (cuts and punctures), etc. etc.
real needle
They really do need to look at that perception, I've seen even professors teaching courses on Unity and Unreal claiming that if a game "can be done" in Unity then they'll always teach it in Unity instead of Unreal because Unreal is "much harder"
hard light
those are some of the most ridiculous complaints I've ever heard.
'You might lose the controller'
'Inconsistent resolution because hand sets are different'
Is that the best you can come up with?
mighty carbon
do you have both Gear VR and Daydream?
hard light
actually, I do!
clever sky
@real needle Send them all to Ben Tristem's course. Dude's amazing.
mighty carbon
then you are deranged fan of Daydream
real needle
It was ben saying it though ><
hard light
lol, no
clever sky
Doh
hard light
I have no intention of developing for either platform
real needle
His new RPG kickstarter
clever sky
Well, he does a good job teaching unreal anyway.
hard light
but I can quite easily see Daydream superceding GearVR
clever sky
I think the harder part is if you're doing a lot of C++/BP mixing like he's doing in his courses
hard light
Daydream does have it's weaknesses compared to GearVR, but it's none of the things you've mentioned
clever sky
@hard light cept for the light leakage
hard light
light leakage is a problem at present, yeah
clever sky
Does Daydream do low persistence?
hard light
I can see that going away with future iterations
mighty carbon
@hard light I can only see that happening if Daydream fans keep repeating that mantra, Google pushing it hard all over the place and Samsung / Oculus simply do nothing (which is what they have always done for Gear VR - never pushed it as hard as they should have)
hard light
@clever sky - yeah, it does have low-persistence stuff, it's part of the Android NDK
clever sky
Cool
storm vortex
Daydream needs to add iOS support. I'd buy it then and I think a whole bunch of people that have iPhones would since they cannot use the GearVR
mighty carbon
Gear VR is a much better product (and Galaxy S8 is going to be significantly more powerful and better than Google Pixel)
mighty carbon
on software side, Gear VR is 100% above Daydream, thanks to Oculus
storm vortex
Does the Daydream remote track accurately where it could be used as a weapon in a FPS or is it more like the Wiimote?
mighty carbon
well, if iOS will support Daydream, then Gear VR will become even deeper niche product
hard light
of course it's ahead? People have only been able to develop for Daydream properly for a couple of months
clever sky
@storm vortex so you have to assume/suggest the positioning of the player's hand
mighty carbon
it won't die because Galaxy has to die first
wicked oak
IOS, daydream?
hard light
@storm vortex - haben't done enough with the remote, but I know it's not stellar
wicked oak
lol
-its apple
at most they will show their own version of GearVR. Worse, much more expensive, but stylish
storm vortex
Why wouldn't it work? Isn't it pretty much the same as cardboard? iOS aleady supports bluetooth controllers.
wicked oak
becouse you need OS level support
hard light
it's similar to Cardboard, but it's not the same
wicked oak
and screens that meet the standard in FPS, latency, and resolution
wicked oak
wich only the iphone 7 PLUS has
hard light
do none of the iPhones have 2560x resolutions?
wicked oak
nope
hard light
0_o
hard light
no VR for iPhone users!
wicked oak
nope
there are cardboard style things for iphone
they are TERRIBLE
Daydream is more of a generic GearVR than cardboard
to be daydream capable, you need to have a very beefy phone that meets the standard
and the standard includes things such as low latency motion sensors and the like
hard light
well, you need an operating system that only two phones on the market currently run :p
(at present)
storm vortex
Ah, that makes more sense. I just assumed it was closer to cardboard since it was still using a phone to power the VR
wicked oak
wich is android, so no apple
its more like gearVR
a very high end version of cardboard
just this time it isnt samsung specific
hard light
the current headsets aren't intended to be mass-market anyway, so we'll see how it goes
mighty carbon
https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/mechwarrior-5-mercenaries-announced-at-mech-con-2016 << I wonder if it will be a VR title
hard light
I wondered that too, but indications at present say 'no'
clever sky
Yes it will be
Or at least their chief has indicated that's what will happen on Twitter
real needle
it would be pretty rad
upbeat holly
best game ever period 😄
mighty carbon
^^ I wonder if it's coming into Marketplace with assets and BPs for free too
ha, Serious Sam VR is there too.. So much for "principles" and whining about Oculus on Croteam side 😒
storm vortex
That game looked really cool. I hope it eventually comes to SteamVR
wintry escarp
iphone8 is expected to use a new amoled screen
mighty carbon
I thought it was for Vive to begin with
actually, it wasn't even VR game initially
@wintry escarp not all AMOLED screens are super and not all of them a low latency screens. Also, if they keep it at 1080p, it will be no use anyway
wintry escarp
the move to their own amoled is meant to allow a higher res
storm vortex
Isn't the playstationVR 1080p?
wintry escarp
id be disappointed if Apple didn't up the VR ante after arriving a few years late to the game
mighty carbon
WQHD Super AMOLED is what S6/S7 have
wintry escarp
yup
mighty carbon
and S8 is coming with 4k screen, so..
wintry escarp
I don't think just increasing res is the answer
mighty carbon
@storm vortex only @wicked oak can tell 😊
@wintry escarp they already figured that 8k is what VR needs
wintry escarp
the more you increase res the more area you lose to to the gaps between pixels, they need a new thing to reduce that
mighty carbon
(I forgot if it's per eye or total)
wintry escarp
HD at 90hz with no screen door would be better than current 2560@60hz
wintry escarp
supposed to look very nice isn't it
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp but you won't have 90Hz on mobile screen. It will still be 60Hz or rather 59.xx Hz
wicked oak
it has lower screendor effeect
you CANT see the pixel grid
at all
but there is some serious aliasing becouse games just render at those 1080p and done
no super resolution like pc gamers use
granite jacinth
Hmmm
World To Meters....
Is there NO context of it in Construction Script?
I can't get this damn thing scaled in CScript unless I do it manually. But, If I do the WTM conversion in Event Graph it works.
wintry escarp
90fps makes no sense on a normal phone, they could always have VR edition...pay $50 more for a 90fps capable phone
granite jacinth
But, I don't understand why there would be no context of WTM in CScript
Hmm there is
wintry escarp
shame the modular phone idea didn't take off
granite jacinth
Lame Function libraries
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp what does 90 fps has to do with 90 Hz ? Why people keep mixing the two things ?!
you can run 100 fps on 60 Hz screen. Just will have screen tearing.
mighty carbon
did you order the big one or smaller one ?
granite jacinth
Also, 90hz/90fps makes sense
Because that's how its designed
I ordered the XL
128GB one
But it's taking forever
Said Jan 4th of something for delivery estimate
😦
I was really hoping that a new shipment would magically appear sooner though
But yeah, it would be nice to try out Mobile VR on it
I have a SamsungS6 and GearVR
And that's not terrible, but it's just eh
silk lodge
@granite jacinth can you just set the world scale and an internal value for world scale at the same time that blueprints can access the internal value?
mighty carbon
and you don't like Gear VR with S6 or just expanding into Daydream for science ?
wintry escarp
you wont get 90fps on a 60hz screen though, you'll get missing frames
mighty carbon
(or to cover larger market)
granite jacinth
@silk lodge ha, I actually figured out my problem
I was setting WTM in GameMode dynamically 😉
True WTM was the actual number in the level
Silly me
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp except you will.. I played games on my 60Hz screen at all kind of fps, from 20 to 120 fps
granite jacinth
But wait..
mighty carbon
even screen tearing doesn't happen to often
granite jacinth
Nah, never mind
wintry escarp
no, I can get 200fps on ue4, but I'm only seeing 60of them as my monitor is only 60hz
granite jacinth
GM doesn't work in editor
silk lodge
public property on an object?
granite jacinth
Nah, I was doing it wrong anyway
Since I am dynamically scaling in the game
I will need to ensure that the item scales dynamically also
I was hoping to just make it default scale for now, so I could place it better in the level
My workaround is in begin play, to just set the scale correctly, and then teleport it somewhere close to the player
It works for my main goal anyway
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp of course you won't see more frames, but if your game can run at 120 fps, even if you vsync it to refresh rate of the scree, it will be more fluid than the game that can only pull 60 fps.
Hz is pure refresh rate. Fps is affected by everything in your game. It's measure of performance to put it simply.
wintry escarp
there isn't much point running higher than your monitor hz rate, that's why gamers pay for 120hz monitors
wintry escarp
even if my computer can respond 2x faster, I still cant see that response until my next screen update
mighty carbon
it's just a common sense that games with higher fps feel much smoother than the game with lower fps
mighty carbon
FreeSync 😃
urban shell
Vr preview window size seems to ignore ini's. Is this specified somewhere else?
granite jacinth
I have 144hz monitors
I have them set at 120fps
Anytime I play they never go above 120hz
Even with GSynx
Gsync
mighty carbon
I don't know what you people are smoking, but DOOM came uncapped and all e-sports games come uncapped
granite jacinth
But imho, Gsync is irrelevant at 120fps
so, I am paying extra for no reason
FUCK YOU Nvidia
But I love NVidia
So, I love you
Love/Hate
mighty carbon
if fps wouldn't matter, all games would be capped to common screen refresh rate (60Hz until recently)
granite jacinth
That's when the PCMasterRacers get pissy
mighty carbon
and DOOM was capped at first to 60 fps, and then they uncapped it later
wintry escarp
if hz didn't matter people wouldn't be paying extra for 120/144hz
wicked oak
hey, can i show my store page here?
i just published the store page of DWVR and would like some review
granite jacinth
NIGHT and DAY 60hz and 120hz+
what's DWVR @wicked oak ?
And yes please, post your store page
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp There were no 120Hz screens when Quake and Quake 3 and CS started in e-sports .. And yet they ran uncapped, and people tried to squeeze out as much fps as they could, which was a way above 60Hz.
wicked oak
granite jacinth
There's no "promotion" channel
wintry escarp
if you cap a scalable game you break it don't you?
wintry escarp
on pc?
mighty carbon
yep
wintry escarp
fuck that, id return a game capped at 30fps
granite jacinth
@wicked oak Seems fine as a store page, but your game name sucks
mighty carbon
except for some games like Doom and for esport games, like CS and whatever else they play nowadays
granite jacinth
But, you should put a little more thought to the game name
wicked oak
im aware of it
granite jacinth
Anything is better than what you have right now
wicked oak
not really everything
wintry escarp
whats the DW ?
wicked oak
it stands for nothing, codename
granite jacinth
Oh @wintry escarp picked up on that too
Hmm
But you launched a storepage?
That's not the time for "codenames"
wicked oak
2 of them
interesting, steam is already giving it good amoutns of traffic
from discovery queue and "coming soon"
granite jacinth
So this is how I would feel as a customer... the devs can't even come up with a game name, how are they even going to finish or come up with a conclusive finish to this game
wintry escarp
dark watch VR
granite jacinth
@wicked oak heheh
Those are yours...
Tailored to you
So, of course it would be 😉
Don't forget this just changed a few weeks ago
wicked oak
no, 20 people watching it its not only me XD
im using google analytics
this on the realtime
wicked oak
discovery queue and the like
gilded oyster
HHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
wicked oak
no, becouse i gave you a different link
granite jacinth
I see
wicked oak
yours had 2 //
urban shell
anyone available for a VR / programming question?
wicked oak
that kind of thing actually shows on analytics
granite jacinth
@urban shell shoot
urban shell
preview windows...why are they not following what was specified in the ini?
storm vortex
@wicked oak does steam actually provide realtime analytics of the store pages? I'm surprised...
urban shell
@granite jacinth yeah. have specified a resolution / window size. but packaged game doesn't use it
wicked oak
with the google analytics ue4 plugin
its SUPER basic, but lets me know stuff like scores
granite jacinth
@urban shell you have to mod engine files for that
storm vortex
Oh that's really cool.
granite jacinth
@wicked oak that's on Marketplace?
storm vortex
Must be why like every Unreal game I open aways triggers the firewall popup
storm vortex
are you use the C++ SDK?
wicked oak
yes, that plugin is on marketplace, i think
but i bought it outside the marketplace
the firewall is due to epic games crash log
storm vortex
This is for freshly launched new games though
wicked oak
you know that thing when you crash that says" send data to Epic"
thats why the firewall opens
and becouse ue4 has lots of multiplayer stuff
so it asks just in case
storm vortex
must be for multiplayer
@wicked oak https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/google-analytics-plugin this the one you were talking about?
storm vortex
wow way cheaper off market I found the link you were talking about
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/google-analytics-plugin for anyone else interested
wicked oak
this is the kind of stats you can end up getting
this is on the BowGameEnd "event"
with different variables
i basically upload stats
rightmost colum is the average value
so you can see average is 28 score, for example
storm vortex
That's cool. I wanted to do game development to get away from implementing google analytics in stuff, but I could definitely see teh value in it for indie games
granite jacinth
GameSparks provides a nice alternative
Lots of analytics
Also, going to be free for most Indies
mighty carbon
what's the catch ?
storm vortex
Google Analytics is free too afaik as long as you don't hit the API limits
granite jacinth
The catch for GameSparks?
wicked oak
also SUPER easy to get working
granite jacinth
You need like 100,000 Monthly Users
wicked oak
after all, google uses it becouse you use analytics for ADVERT data
granite jacinth
and then they start charging
But tbh, it's a great deal
A lot of stuff comes with GS
wicked oak
so they want to keep it free, after all you use it to monitor the adverts you post
mighty carbon
I see.. I guess if there is a native plugin for GameSparks for UE4, it worth trying it
wicked oak
leaderboards is alraedy on Steam
but you gotta access steamworks directly, UE4 integration is abysmal
mighty carbon
GameSparks is good when you want to go outside of Steam. It's a bold move, but if your game is good, it can help a lot if you are interested in VC or publishers
I wonder if Epic will ever open their own storefront
mighty carbon
like rolling downhill snowball ?
granite jacinth
Um, I guess that could be one thing 😉
mighty carbon
😃
it sounds like old tech. I recall in none of the idTech engines size of the actors that have physics or even collision hulls couldn't be changed in run time (and if you changed it, you would lose collisions and thus physics)
surprised UE4 doesn't allow that
wintry escarp
strange you cant alter scale, that wouldn't affect mass
granite jacinth
I agree
But it wouldn't do shit until I disabled physics and then reenabled it AFTER it scaled
wintry escarp
unless the worry is scaling static objects wouldn't push objects it grew into, breaking the physics
granite jacinth
It literally "processed" the nodes
because I had print strings after it
but it just wouldn't scale
stuck hamlet
is there a way to determine if a motion controller is currently connected?
granite jacinth
hmm
stuck hamlet
so I can disable/enable functionality if its connected or not
granite jacinth
Well, other than the obvious?
stuck hamlet
hah
yeah other than the obvious
like i want to hide the static mesh of motion controllers if its not connected
stuck hamlet
hm.
granite jacinth
and if not, it's probably not connected
unless the player places it on a table
then you're screwed
stuck hamlet
yeah
granite jacinth
um
There should be an event
On Active
Yeah
On Component Activated
And On Component Deactivated
stuck hamlet
ahhhh that sounds perfect
granite jacinth
They are on every component
stuck hamlet
and that would be for the motioncontroller component
granite jacinth
Not sure if it works on that though
Never tried it
Sometimes they don't work
And yes
stuck hamlet
well I guess I could give it a shot
granite jacinth
On MotionControllerComp
BTW, when I said other than the obvious, this is what I meant 😉
stuck hamlet
ohhh, thought you meant if the controller LED was on or something 😛
granite jacinth
Well, the controller would disappear also
Well, it'll go to origin
or wherever it goes
stuck hamlet
yeah it'll go to origin, but i dont want it to be just sitting there at origin
and i dont want to raise the entire level
granite jacinth
What are you wanting it to do?
stuck hamlet
well its just that the app im doing the user may or may not have controllers
motion controllers
of course, I could always just have something in the settings
but thats not ideal
real needle
I'm running the "stat startfile" command and using the frontend tool to vizualize it. Problem is, the moment I enter "stat startfile" into the console, my framerate drops about 10-30 frames. It seems like the realtime visualizer is eating quite a bit of performance. Is running it in the background and analyzing afterwards the only way to get accurate stats out of it?
granite jacinth
@real needle you looked at this? https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/how-to-improve-game-thread-cpu-performance
real needle
Yeah that's a good resource, but atm I'm just trying to figure out if realtime stat viewing will always give me inaccurate results, or if I'm so close to the CPU limit that once frontend is running it stalls it to the point where the cpu bottlenecks
granite jacinth
Probably is, I just ran it in you know what and it seemed fine
pearl tangle
were you hitting 100% on your CPU the whole time before you were running it fantasifall? does seem like its throttling to make it appear but you wouldn't think it could be that much, unless your hdd is also at 100% usage or something and its slowing it down to write to it?
rare violet
Anyone where have experience getting the HMD position in c++? I am trying to expose the data from SteamVR or some level other than IHeadMountedDisplay (we want to turn off hmd rendering and still get the HMD info)
pearl tangle
just trying to use the motion controllers for something on a screen rather than for vr?
rare violet
well, we have a VR app, but we have a mode in it that needs 16:9 hi res output to the monitor, and does not need the HMD display to be going necessarily...but the only way to get 16:9 out is to enable=false the hmd
in 4.11 i think it was it worked still
(spit out the correct hmd position data even while disabled)
but now it doesnt...so trying to find that data a few levels higher up in c++ so we can get both 16:9 and positional data
pearl tangle
ah you can change the mirror mode and you need to modify in the engine the output that its showing for it. have a look at a pull request on git that is talking about Mixed Reality and that should get you what you need
rare violet
ill check into that, but I've arleady gone the route of modifying the output so it shows mirror mode with 16:9, but we are in dire need of 4k out or close, so that tiny slice of the single eye doesnt do the trick
pearl tangle
yeah you are wanting the view from a different render output, not the HMD output
rare violet
yea. we already have the other output, i just need the HMD position when im not using the HMD output on screen
pearl tangle
yeah just leave the HMD on is what I am saying. attach another camera to the players head position and use that as the display for the screen
rare violet
hrmm, interesting. i was turning off HMD for some reason earlier but I may not have to
just switch to the other view
ty! ill give it a shot
pearl tangle
yeah just leave it on and it should still function fine, you will just need to change your camera output, annoying you cant just use the steam vr stuff easily without the headset
rare violet
thanks man!
digital marlin
Anyone know if I upload a game to steam, do they scan for mailicious files or viruses etc?
rare violet
@pearl tangle tried that method, but unless I do stereo off, the camera will not take over the display =X
lost dome
@digital marlin When I uploaded a game I worked on to steam, there were no explicit indications that it was scanning for malicious files but I assume it would.
pearl tangle
yeah you need to modify then engine code to change what its displaying on the monitor
rare violet
i did that modification but its too low res for our use..
im gonna try and keep looking for a way to get HMD position from SteamVR or some other spot in UE
pearl tangle
the resolution should be whatever you set it to be, i think you are doing your modification a bit wrong. are you doing a render to texture or something>?
rare violet
no, i have a new camera that I attach to the HMD position, and switch to that view target, but unless I deactivate the HMD it wont let me take over the render
pearl tangle
yeah thats why im saying you need to change the engine source to tell it what camera to use as the camera for the screen
rare violet
what would I google to figure out how thats done?
real needle
@rare violet How about using Sequencer to record the in game actions and then add a Cinematic camera to the HMD location, and screen cap that output?
pearl tangle
i assumed he was talking about displaying it while somebody was playing rather than just for screen recording?
real needle
Have you tried that integration? I am actually using sequencer, but I have to composit afterwards, can't do realtime
pearl tangle
i haven't done it but I saw some similar suggestions on the UDN from Epic for that too
real needle
I would have to try to convert his changes to 4.14... could be easy but I doubt it
He did include a third controller though so imma definitely look at that
pearl tangle
there was another pull request back in June somebody did just to swap around to a different scene camera thats the 1 i think he needs
lets you do a proper undistored full screen view without the black edges
real needle
Yeah I've modified it to give me full screen but I don't have control over the res
rare violet
@real needle hey, thanks for the feedback. basically need it live for recording performances using our app, we are recording to sequencer for other things, but this wont work
not on UDN yet unfortunately
pearl tangle
There was actually some information I found somewhere previously about using sequencer to record stuff using another camera attached to the player so that could potentially work for it i suppose. But easiest method is just to do the video output and video capture then from that display. the link i sent through should get you most of that. Or alternatively you just create a multiplayer game and player 2 is a camera, not a vr player
rare violet
tahts the ting, we already allow 2nd player to do it, but we want our devs to be able to record content without having 2 computers
i will digg into that mix reality code...does that enable 16:9?
pearl tangle
I am not sure with that 1 but id say it's pretty likely. If you can find the other pull request from back in july or august that got turned down by Epic it's got the ability to just set the different camera on it and it's just an engine modification not any extra blueprints or anything
rare violet
nice ty
clever sky
Touch gestures are getting a lot of coverage.
Here's what gets me though. You can do pretty similar things with the Vive!
If you wanted to.
Thumbs up = trigger pull and thumb off pad.
Fist = trigger pull and thumb on pad.
Index out = grip only
no buttons + touch off = open hand wide
no buttons + touch on = open hand, fingers together.
wicked oak
much more awkward
pearl tangle
you could just do the thumb up if its not touching the trackpad?
the touch does a decent job with that stuff but depends on the game your playing if its useful or not