the diagrams you see are usually not about performance per dollar but about performance per watt
#virtual-reality
full junco
winged shale
yup
full junco
the one who can fit most performance in a 300W GPU wins
and on mobile its same with something like 10W
winged shale
*the one with the API that gets used most often wins apparently
clever sky
@full junco I seriously doubt that silicon is the be all and end all computing substrate in this universe.
full junco
@clever sky I really hope so (that its not)
clever sky
Just bloody difficult to make better stuff.
winged shale
the theoretical asymptote for computing something is zero-energy
it's not like you convert energy into information
the energy just gets lost to heat
clever sky
Also the other thing to consider is that we've designed our computing paradigms around silicone substrates.
winged shale
fuuuuuck what
full junco
oh, that was fast
winged shale
everyone drops their chunks of silicon and starts running around like chickens without spinal links
heady parrot
fuck yes! the forward renderer is beautiful π
full junco
beatifully unshadowed
heady parrot
depends on what you are doing π no dynamic ones no
winged shale
yup
full junco
yeah I only have dynamic ones
heady parrot
lets see what they managed to squeeze in at the last moment, I know they had more FW changes coming
winged shale
unfortunately in my game everything moves, including you and your space ship
heady parrot
and even more comingin 4.15
winged shale
nothing can be prebaked ;_;
heady parrot
space ships, been there done that π
heady parrot
Anything I've heard of or you shown publicly? I did EVE: Valkyrie, then moved on this summer
winged shale
noice! mine is Iron Rain. not much now, but here's a blog: http://www.acebananz.com
first post talks about what I intend for the game, second starts the actual devblog
heady parrot
ahh awesome! you are doing grab 'n' drag locomotion π I played around with that a long time ago, but the rotation always made me ill. Are you ignoring that?
winged shale
nope, I think I've got it down after a few months of fine-tuning etc.
tried it on my wife and a few others and they seem to like it
I talk about it in the video
heady parrot
I mean can you "rotate the world" by grabbing with two hands? thats what broke down for me
cool I'll watch the whole thing
heady parrot
And this reminds me I need to start a blog π got some cool haptics work I want to put out there
heady parrot
yeah that was my reason for this kinda system, and there is a 1:1 relationship between you moving your arms and the world moving.. so no unexpected motion
winged shale
yes!
exactly
you're providing enough cues to your brain with your proprioception that it overrides the vestibular cues
heady parrot
yep
I tried Lone Echo at Oculus Connect 3 and was very surprised to see this π worked quite well, but I wasnt a fan of moving backwards and slamming into walls
it reminded me of learning to scuba dive, you are a bit helpless
winged shale
also setting constant velocity angularly and linear velocity as well after let go is crucial
heady parrot
yes
winged shale
I purposefully drop the latest frame of velocity from the rolling average of velocities, and keep an exponential average
got it to the point where you "go where you wanted to go"
no more futzing trying to learn how to get it working right
heady parrot
any issues with accidental spin? like moving past and object and grabbing it, getting some angular momentum and letting go
winged shale
not really, I've got Newton's Third down pretty well for linear and angular impulses
it used to be rife with that, but in update #2 I fixed this
so the second video is the one that is closer to what I'm working with now
clever sky
Oh man.
heady parrot
excellent
clever sky
I spent all day building a 25m tall toy robot for VR
winged shale
I've just started this blog, so let me know what I'm doing right/wrong and what I can do
clever sky
Looks so awesome. I put it in the VR space, turned the corner and saw it and started giggling
winged shale
Also thank you for the interest, keeps me going :)
clever sky
Even though I've spent hours looking at it on screen.
winged shale
I love those moments
winged shale
When you make something and then view it with scale
heady parrot
yeah scale in VR changes everything, but its a fickle bitch π In Valkyrie we had to exaggurate scale a late to make things look big. Also how fast you travel massively changes your perception of scale
clever sky
@heady parrot You worked on Eve?
heady parrot
I had to add a lot of "space debris" to make you perceive moment a bit more the help with the scale, but that also made some people slighly more ill
yeah I'm one of the founders of the project, moved on to a new one now
clever sky
Nice stuff.
I mean in terms of street cred. I didn't actually play Eve much because it made me ill D:
heady parrot
been working on VR stuff for 4 years now π got early DK1 alphas
yeah I dont blame you π its not perfect and there were design choices/compromises made I wasnt happy about
clever sky
Actually all the cockpit games don't work very well with me unfortunately.
winged shale
Same
To dk1 stuff
Got my Kickstarter DK1 and it changed the trajectory of my career
heady parrot
yeah same here π VR is something I've been waiting for for a couple decades.
It really changed my life, not just my career.. since then I've lived in 2 new countries (UK and now the US)
clever sky
@heady parrot also absolutely yes on how fast you travel massively changes your perception of scale. Most people don't understand that very well.
heady parrot
yeah so many things play into scale π even other references (add a teacup besides a cube)
clever sky
I'd argue the whole VR industry doesn't seem to understand that very well given the preoccupation with unlimited teleportation.
Well... devs have been getting better about it.
But not all of them.
heady parrot
Im NOT a fan of teleporting.. hate it π¦ But I also hate to admit its far better than normal locomotion.
I think what spychiatrist is working on (and you can see in Lone Echo and Lucid Trips) is the next step
clever sky
Which mechanic? The pull the world around you stuff?
Unfortuantely genre limited though. Like climbey style climbing works extremely well
neon egret
Wasn't this what I was crying about recently?
Worked around a bug in SteamVR that caused VR to fail to initialize if SteamVR isn't running when launching the application.
(4.14)
clever sky
But you wouldn't want to climb around everywhere π
winged shale
Yeah! Remember I told you they were working on a fix for soon
Or was that someone else
wintry escarp
eye tracking and foveated rendering halves the gpu needed doesn't it
heady parrot
yep that locomotion works great for zero/reduced gravity, water sims, climbing etc
winged shale
Also @heady parrot I'm humbled
heady parrot
Most people arent really looking for anything new, just jumping on the teleport wagon π
clever sky
Yeah, I've implemented climbing functionality into my stuff too.
Which is why I mentioned I could climb all over my 25m tall robot π
Built a bunch of hand holds into him.
Both intentional and unintentional.
winged shale
I've got a pretty cool other system of locomotion called Globetrotting, I'll post a video on it if you're interested
clever sky
ooh sounds fancy
winged shale
Makes the whole getting around stuff slightly slower but you get to physically walk everywhere
heady parrot
I love following any VR locomotion ideas π been a while since I've seen a new idea
clever sky
Did you guys see that moongrid 'locomotion' system?
@heady parrot definetly want to keep your eyes peeled when I drop my locomotion demo then π
heady parrot
good! looking forward to it π
heady parrot
oh yeah, I gotta try if 4.14 actually fixed the planar reflections in VR
oh yeah I saw that π loved it, but quite genre bound too
clever sky
Yeah.
wicked oak
that one is teleporting
clever sky
Yeah it is.
heady parrot
basically anything that fools you into thinking you are not moving
clever sky
Super fancy teleportation.
wicked oak
not fancy, just fancy anmation
heady parrot
less teleporting, more the world re-arranging around you π there is no sudden disorienting moment of instant change
thats my main problem with teleporting
wicked oak
and what about dashing?
clever sky
@winged shale Yes, would love to see 'globetrotting'
You people and your fancy ass locomotion names.
and here I am with 'CAOTS'. I think I'll rename it.
heady parrot
dashing is awful, but kinda works if you add a "blink" over the acceleration change frames
winged shale
I think you'll laugh when you see it based on the name
heady parrot
Cats Are Over Teleporting Systems ?
wintry escarp
does ue4 have a built in flock system?
clever sky
Controller Assisted On The Spot
It's kinda a combination of Onward and Ripmotion (although I came up with this idea way before either of those two appeared... but I only learnt to program recently D:)
heady parrot
btw did you notice that with forward rendering we can now have "proper" translucent materials? specular, reflections etc
clever sky
Really... that's good to know
heady parrot
the running in place idea is .. super old π
clever sky
Yeah it is. And it's never been done properly.
heady parrot
nope
clever sky
Until now!
heady parrot
there was a small device at some point you attached to your shoes, cant remember the name of it
clever sky
Well. I can hype it with words all I want. I don't think anyone will pay attention to me until I drop this demo tho.
heady parrot
yep π demos demos demos
clever sky
I'm just trying to make it awesome, because you kinda need to spend about 5-30 minutes with it before it 'clicks'
Not that it's hard to learn. Just walking in place apparently feels weird for people initially.
heady parrot
if you need to learn it and its not intuitive then I dont think it will gain popularity :/
clever sky
Well, if you know how to walk and how to use a 'joystick' you're good to go.
But just like with anything else that's not exactly something you've done before, it takes a few moments to adjust to the differences.
Certainly easier than armswinger
heady parrot
joystick? as in a gamepad and not motion controls?
clever sky
It's motion control based.
clever sky
Just the trackpad is used as a directional pad.
wintry escarp
my first vr game will probably only use it for camera control, gamepad for moving player
clever sky
Use what for camera control?
clever sky
Ah.. so you're doing a gamepad VR game?
wintry escarp
basically a 2d platformer, play it in vr and you can look around the level more
heady parrot
The locomotion problem just pisses me off tbh π All I want to do with VR is explore new worlds! /sigh
clever sky
Don't worry Siggi. I gotchu covered.
Also, what did you mean when you said dash needs a blink frame?
winged shale
And anything that requires waving something or wiggling around like run in place is garbage imo
heady parrot
so the main trigger for simulation sickness is acceleration changes (well and vection). So if you just turn the screen black when changing speeds it does help some people, annoy others π
clever sky
Ah yeah
Yeah, I prefer the screen not black out when dashing.
Apparently dashing generally works for a lot of people as it falls under the vestibular activation threshold...
And the main benefit is you get a motion frame of reference between the previous and new locations.
Which is something that's problematic with normal teleportation.
@winged shale I'll make a believer of you yet!
heady parrot
so like tunneling?
that method is my favourite version of teleporting
it helps with disorientation
Or you mean like this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKnM5gC-XpY
clever sky
@heady parrot Maybe? I call dash teleportation the one you can experience in the Vive home
Definetly not that one.
wintry escarp
hmm I don't like that
wintry escarp
view is small enough without playing in a tiny window
clever sky
Yeah, tunneling is at best an option for motion sickness sensitivity.
hard light
tunneling looks interesting, but also looks like it break immersion pretty badly
clever sky
Budget Cuts is nothing like tunneling π
wintry escarp
does having something on the screen help? fake nose, glasses?
clever sky
Only thing that's similar is you get a preview window
heady parrot
mighty carbon
I like teleport or dash locomotion
clever sky
A preview portal. It's the best teleportation system to date.
heady parrot
yep
mighty carbon
either that, or treadmill
clever sky
Mainly because it helps with the immersion and fits with the narrative
What do you guys think about Onward locomotion? Getting a lot of praise from the VR users...
winged shale
it's disengaging from the game
it takes my presence away, and makes it more about the game being a technical shooter
some moments can make up for that, like the moments you're gonna get PTSD from
clever sky
Haha...
I didn't get to try the game. It doesn't like my internet. Just keeps booting me.
But managed to try enough of it to know that vection was kicking in pretty strongly still.
clever sky
Not 'I'm gonna barf' just 'this doesn't feel right.'
winged shale
yeah it's annoying to 'zoom around'
clever sky
Interestingly
winged shale
I dislike that it's just based on touch
clever sky
Chet Falisek claims he doesn't get motion sickness from Onward.
winged shale
that is pretty interesting
clever sky
and he's chief - don't you make motion sickness games you jerks!
winged shale
he's pretty sensitive
wintry escarp
did a game logo just appear and disappear?
clever sky
Yes
clever sky
Like a Tyler Durdenesque penis pic inserted at the start of a reel change.
Anyone tried 'The Climb' with touch or Revive controllers?
clever sky
The climb has cardboard demos?
wintry escarp
no, the cardboard demos are the only vr ive ever seen
winged shale
The... Bollywood knockoff trailer?
"Oh, that's cute and looks fun, maybe we'll put that on in the background sometime.. maybe"
dusky moon
guys I have an urgent Issue with 4.13. my VR project with Vive plays super slow (I'm using sequencer) it's like a slow motion ! any1 encountered this ?!
it's strange because the camera moves in Constant speed but the speed gets slower with higher framerates!
heady parrot
if it gets slower with more frames it sounds like you might be incorrectly factoring in DeltaSeconds in a Tick somewhere
I havent used Sequencer in an actual project though, so dunno if its a problem with that specifically
heady parrot
is this only on Sequencer driven objects?
ie have you tried just moving an actor by other means
dusky moon
ah no should try that
mighty carbon
I wonder if folks who was having trouble with multiplayer in VR will now rejoice with 4.14
tawdry dragon
Yay 4.14 is out in case everyone hasnt already downloaded it π
uneven moon
Hey guys
I can't seem to find help anywhere on this and it's really simple
It's for a VR project, but not related to VR mechanics
Maybe you can help me out anyway
I'm trying to create a new animation, I created it using a reference pose and I've added keyframes but I'm not sure how to SET a keyframe once I've moved the skeleton into another position?
clever sky
Someone here might be able to help you. But you're honestly much better off asking the ue-animation channel
Or ue-graphics
uneven moon
I did but there are 2 guys in there ignoring my request so it keeps getting pushed up
uneven moon
I'll try that, thanks
clever sky
But good luck! I'd help you if I knew how.
Landscape editing in VR!
Sexy
Gotta try that. Might be better than editing in standard viewport if the controls are right.
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp did you get your Gear VR after all ?
wintry escarp
it should be here by next week
fresh laurel
empty sundial
genuinely excited about improved physx in VR
Hopefully CCD actually works now
Auto LOD is awesome, too
and forward renderer
It's a good patch
wintry escarp
forward renderer is better for glass etc?
are CCD errors why unity cant do breakout properly using physics?
given time the ball always ends up locked in a flat trajectory bounce
real needle
@motorsep Did you see anything specific about motioncontrollers in the patch notes? Afaik they're still broken over network. The replication speed increase is definitely nice though.
I was hoping to use EDL but it doesnt work in launcher builds: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/520822/event-driven-loader-checkbox-doesnt-respond.html
mighty carbon
Well, has anyone reported issues with networking motion controllers to Epic?
winged shale
I think it's not an issue, and it makes sense to me
if you've got a component that you set to respond to input from a specific API like SteamVR, then it aught to respond to it. Instead replicate components on top of it, or make actors follow their transform per tick
the only fix that is reasonable to me would be to make it playercontroller dependent
pallid echo
@mighty carbon I've reported it a few times.
Each time I'm told its has been fixed either in a prior engine version or the they fixed it again for a new engine release.
real needle
@winged shale You lose late update with most work arounds, and that's just not acceptable
Setting transform on tick for example
Needs to be parented to do late update
I'm using the VRExpansionPlugin atm, it solves it
Using his custom MotionController-components
dry fjord
I should check that out
mighty carbon
pallid echo
^ I was just about to post this. lol
mighty carbon
π
clever sky
So are they handing out those controllers like candy?
Or do they only hand it out like candy to proven devs? D:
dry fjord
the latter I imagine
I don't have a prior project but this one looks so unusual it should glide in with luck
abstract gale
@fresh laurel Bonny sees, how awesome...
fresh laurel
@abstract gale I know right
Being able to see for the first time in 8 years thanks to VR tech. Pretty amazing
abstract gale
no, thats jut fucking awesome
fresh laurel
π
fresh laurel
abstract gale
@fresh laurel is this some open shit?
fresh laurel
I shared it on r/upliftingnews
abstract gale
just saw, thats awesome
fresh laurel
π
abstract gale
any idea if that is open?
abstract gale
where is the source? they stated using an android app
fresh laurel
oh
One sec
I do not think it is open source BUT
There you go
It is free tho
abstract gale
very cool
fresh laurel
π
abstract gale
if they release that wow
fresh laurel
I know right
abstract gale
does that help script lens i wonder
abstract gale
thats awesome, thanks for sharing that
abstract gale
you still have a head clost?
abstract gale
clot
fresh laurel
Yeah - Little brother. He has mental disabillities.
I wear it as a badge of honor tho
fresh laurel
yeah
dry fjord
I thought your name was just you being metal but that's awesome dude
fresh laurel
@dry fjord nah my little brother has autism and a fair few mental disabillites. I love him hence the name π
fresh laurel
He has not tried it yet
He lives in a care center right now
We cannot care for him. Which really breaks by dads heart
abstract gale
man if some VR could help that..
fresh laurel
I really hope it can
fresh laurel
Yep will do. I need to update my PC so I can make some experinces for him
If Nintendo made A VR pokemon game. He would be in heaven
pallid echo
@fresh laurel How was that woman able to see because of VR? I can believe it, just wanna know how it all works. lol
fresh laurel
@pallid echo - I do not know the sceince behind it but https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/near-sighted-vr-augmented-aid-2-0#/ that might be a good start
abstract gale
thanks
winged shale
I think I'm ready to incorporate, especially on the cusp of free Oculus touches. Anyone know how to found a LLC or have any good info on it?
abstract gale
free oc touch?
abstract gale
yea its easy.. US?
fresh laurel
Utah here
abstract gale
I lived in Utah for a bit... awesome
winged shale
Zion is awesome, so are buttes
abstract gale
fk the mormon bs for any complainers, its great
dry fjord
Social Media. If you make any social media posts or tweets regarding any Product (subject to Section 6), you will accurately and prominently disclose your connection with Oculus such as by stating "Thx 4 the free hardware Oculus" or, when space is limited, preface your statement by using the term AD or SPONSORED (e.g., #AD).
AD Thx 4 free hardware ocrus
winged shale
Lol wtf is that
dry fjord
it's what you agreed to did you not read it
winged shale
I haven't signed up
dry fjord
ah
abstract gale
so.. why do u think there are free OC touches?
abstract gale
just do it anyway bro...
dry fjord
because Oculus wants their product to be supported by devs and the best way to do that is to give it to them
winged shale
I'm not incorporated, etc. Need company and company bank to sell on Steam blah blah
abstract gale
advantage with little cost
dry fjord
HTC did the same
abstract gale
u dont need to inc spy..
dry fjord
I bought my Vive but I could have gone for a grant
winged shale
@abstract gale what should I be doing?
winged shale
I never really learned any of this stuff. I want to sell my VR game on steam. I'm a single indie and don't intend to grow save for contract work for assets in future
abstract gale
@winged shale is that a fun hat on the head or some thing?
to sell game on steam u have to g thru greenlight..
winged shale
I also need a legal organization name to register myself as a developer on Oculus for Touch eligibility. It's a fez, not mine
fresh laurel
Sorry for being quiet - Just need to talk to some one
winged shale
Also you don't need greenlight, they readily want people to make more VR content, I'm already in contact with biz
mighty carbon
haven't seen too many Texans using UE4 and hanging out here :/
mighty carbon
or palmers
winged shale
I am just asking what is my best course of action, LLC, otherwise? I was looking to start a conversation about it from people who have done it before
abstract gale
not really a convo here..\
winged shale
Indeed
abstract gale
but u want to start an LLC anyway
mighty carbon
Too many new posts π
mighty carbon
If you are making $$$, go for LLC
abstract gale
dude, if u have have to ask where to start a biz, it shouldt be here..
mighty carbon
if you are making $$$$$$$ go for C-corp, as you can get international board members (that's if you are going for world domination π )
abstract gale
bad advice
abstract gale
think about it...
mighty carbon
C-corp is the only entity you can have foreign board members
abstract gale
either way, thisis VR chat, not investments chat
mighty carbon
double taxation sucks, but it's all about trade-offs
dry fjord
literally everyone should register in Jamaica and be Cool Runnings Games. everyone.
abstract gale
I work for... nm
mighty carbon
come on.. this chat is soooo busy right now that can't talk about related issues π
winged shale
That's what I remember most from intro business. Thanks @motorsep#8292
dry fjord
EVERYONE.
winged shale
And yeah it's pretty related to all of this, calm yourself dude
mighty carbon
I never bothered with LLC or anything like that.
abstract gale
guys, keep it VR
dry fjord
I wouldn't bother trying to moderate them
mighty carbon
let's keep it VR and silent
odd musk
on a VR note, new forward rendering in 4.14 looks nice
abstract gale
pimp1
odd musk
i can definitely see less blur
abstract gale
@odd musk with what settings?
odd musk
Forward shading enabled, MSAA, everything in Engine scalability settings on Epic
haven't tweaked too much, just upgraded my project
abstract gale
what card u run?
odd musk
980 Ti
abstract gale
cool
fresh laurel
and I am back
mighty carbon
wb
real needle
@odd musk I find that turning using temporal instead of msaa, turn r.postprocessaaquality=2, and r.screenpercentage somewhere between 160-200 costs the same or less performance wise and looks better
clever sky
Kinda disappointed with 4.14 updates TBH.
Except for the physics stuff. That's like black magic.
Playing around with the cubes in the VRtemplate
and they feel amazingly solid
real needle
did they make physics better?
real needle
Huh, I'll take a look
I'm happy with the update but im unhappy with how much people are jumping to msaa
winged shale
FWR only gonna get better from this point
real needle
@winged shale oh yeah the fwd renderer is great
msaa is not
at its current state TemporalAA, r.PostProcessAAQuality 2, r.ScreenPercentage 180 looks miles ahead and costs similar in performance
winged shale
their implementation of MSAA seems rushed
real needle
yeah I hope it improves, but overall this mix of low quality temporal and forward is way better than before anyways
winged shale
yeah TXAA in forward will suffice to debug my shaders into working properly to look good in forward, etc until MSAA grows up
dry fjord
MSAA is essential to VR so I am disappointed that it was not the focus of this release as far as VR features goes
odd musk
@real needle Interesting, i'll try it out
real needle
cool, let me know what you think
silver brook
I'm having some design issues I'm not sure how to handle
I want to pick up an object attach it to my hands and then disable its physics yet still have it collide
But it seems that can't happen you need physics on
but then with physics on can you not attach it to the hands?
winged shale
it should automatically have collision still set
if you just say 'set simulate physics' to false
moving something around will still collide
clever sky
@silver brook Go check the VR Template.
silver brook
not even overlaps
clever sky
Because it has the behaviour you desire.
silver brook
I'm in the VR template
clever sky
Well, by default, if you pick up a cube
it'll definetly let you hit stuff with the cube
And if you use a different mesh for the pickup object
it'll let that mesh collide with other objects.
So... either you've broken the template somehow... or your template has been broken somehow π
silver brook
Ok I just checked it out
if I pickup a cube it will hit the other cubes
I just have to figure out how they allow for this?
silver brook
But this isn't normal unreal engine right?
winged shale
yes, it is
clever sky
Nope.
silver brook
Or is it just a setting?
clever sky
Just straight BP in so far as I can tell.
silver brook
So its a BP setting on the cube?
winged shale
probably not much, because I didn't have to do much shit at all to get my pick up to work
clever sky
Yes, it'll be something somewhere. I don't know off the top of my head...
winged shale
check your collision groupings
silver brook
My pick up works it just isn't colliding with an object I've added
So its a group setting
winged shale
that's what I mean, semantics....
odd musk
@real needle Can confirm Temporal AA with a higher r.ScreenPercentage looks better
especially for text
clever sky
@silver brook Probably what you need to do is set the collision group to physicsactor
silver brook
That is what I'm trying right now
clever sky
What kinda object you trying to build anyway?
real needle
@odd musk thats what I thought too, especially if you turn the quality to 2 it makes a huge difference in clarity
clever sky
Why not just make a child or duplicate of BP_PickupCube
silver brook
Trying to learn
clever sky
and set a different mesh
silver brook
I want to learn
clever sky
Fair enough.
silver brook
I could clone but I wouldn't undertstand
I've copied every setting as far as I can tell now
Does the cube have to have Simulate Physics on?
clever sky
Check all the settings one by one
silver brook
But that doesn't explain how my hand gets it to trigger but not the cube
clever sky
But yes, probably.
clever sky
It has a collision mesh
or a physics collision mesh
Go check the cube you're using
and see if it has collision on. Also from what I can figure, you can't set it to complex as simple
collision
Because funky shit goes down.
silver brook
Well in my mind the cube I'm making is fine
odd musk
@real needle Would you say it's still worth using the forward renderer even if not using MSAA?
real needle
@odd musk yes, it still gives a 20-30% performance boost, and where it really shines is when that boost allows you to change r.screenpercentage from 150% on deferred to 180-200% in 4.14 making the scene incredibly beautiful
odd musk
@real needle Thanks. Good to know
real needle
yup, still really good, but msaa needs some love
balmy creek
Anyone here ever had an issue where your VR pawn always spawns facing the opposite direction from what it looks like in the editor?
real needle
are you sure you just dont have the steamvr layout facing the opposite direction that you would like?
clever sky
I think that'd be the most likely cause.
Unless
Other VR experiences appear to start facing forwards normally
balmy creek
Oh, weird! It looks like that's exactly it. Just tried loading up a template level instead of my own, same thing.
I'm still pretty new to this stuff. I was still assuming my pawn would always face the way it does in the editor.
real needle
just place your headset 180 degrees around and then it will
balmy creek
Hadn't considered that the orientation of the play space would affect that.
Thanks for pointing that out, guys.
real needle
np
clever sky
My monitor is left of my 'forward' space, so I'll always be starting facing left of my pawn heading π
At least in editor.
When playing, I have the HMD on my head and facing forward automatically already.
Or rather, most of the time I'll orient myself forward on start.
Frustratingly some devs just ignore this fact and presenting starting information wherever they feel like it.
Probably the facing of their monitors.
silver brook
I think I know what is going on
You can't do Hit Events or Overlap events without Simulate Physics being on
You can have collisions with Simulate Physics off but I don't think you can generate events
its the only explanation
clever sky
Fair call.
Test out your theory
By wiring the BPcube
to an on hit event. Print string it.
silver brook
Good call
seems to be the case for overlap
but not the case for On Component Hit
Is that cause you can't have an overlap if hit is working or rather if the collision is not allowing overlaps?
Wait actually I'm not sure
Let me check again
I can't tell
I think the cube Im hitting is getting moved to hit the ground which is triggering it not as a result of the cube I'm holding
balmy creek
Does anyone know what the menu button above the touchpad on the Vive controller is called in UE4?
Oh! I think I found a cheat sheet.
odd musk
Shoulder
clever sky
Seriously.
balmy creek
silver brook
I thought the cheat sheet was outdated?
clever sky
To make it more confusing, they have a bunch of redundant buttons for future controllers in the mix there.
Grip 2 isn't actually a button.
silver brook
Yea I don't think its mapped right
clever sky
Grip 1 is the only grip button.
balmy creek
Hah. Oh man.
clever sky
Cheat sheet still pretty valid.
silver brook
Unreal really needs to step up with their docs man
clever sky
As far as I can tell.
silver brook
Only way to keep up with them is to have been with them from the start
No one here even knows if Simulate PHysics has to be on for freaking collisions lol
And I can't seem to find a conclusive answer
clever sky
Well, the mesh needs simulate physics on for sure.
But the act of grabbing the mesh will disable physics
Otherwise it doesn't attach.
silver brook
Couldn't confirm that for me earlier there lol
So attaching only works with physics off
clever sky
Otherwise when you throw the object it'll do nothing.
clever sky
Well if it still has physics on
It'll obey physics before attachment.
And straight up fall to the ground and limply get dragged along with hand movement.
Events not sure; haven't messed with events stuff yet.
Not sure why not though... if it can overlap it can still do stuff right?
silver brook
Well collisions and physics seem to be related. I know in Unity you can't get OnTriggerEnter or OnCollisionEnter without a rigidboyd
So that is why I thought the same might be true for Unreal
No events without physics on
silver brook
Trigger?
clever sky
A box trigger or something.
silver brook
Can I get a trigger mapped out to the mesh of the object?'
clever sky
In the drop down on the BP
where you add elements to the BP object
... if you don't know what I'm talking about, time to do some tutorials! π
silver brook
I know what a trigger is but I don't think its useful since I don't think a tirgger can be anything other than a primitive shape
clever sky
That's true. Depends on how much precision you need.
Even for something like a sword though, you can just shape the trigger to roughly the blade
Or use a couple π
silver brook
Yea really I'm gong to be moving my cube test on to a circle shapped object like a plate
I want accuracy
silver brook
Yea
clever sky
I've been going more the direction of been able to grab and use things
silver brook
Grabing is childs play at this point
I need to smash objects with objects
but I can't see how!
I can't even get events to work!
clever sky
Well, I've also got grabbing objects that need to be tightly held
like swords and shields; so that release doesn't drop it.
And guns where you can use it as a gun after you grab it.
silver brook
I see
clever sky
But the smashing plates with the object in hand is an intriguing and fun sounding challenge.
Let me know how you go if you make any headway.
silver brook
sure thing
Work takes up so much of my time and then its an hour away and I've got to cook dinner I get very little time for self projects these days. Always feel rushed. Anyways gonna call it a night.
real needle
why not just use event hit to drive a destructable mesh
clever sky
Because that would be sensible!
balmy creek
UI in VR is pretty complex.
Quite an interesting challenge to get it set up and feeling right.
pallid echo
@balmy creek That's why VR is so fun! All the new things to explore π
Be grateful you started doing UI for VR after the release of the widget interaction component.
Before that you couldn't interact with widgets and instead had to use a bunch of hacks.
real needle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WMzjJ5vDFE what do you guys think?
pallid echo
@real needle you marked it as private can't see it.
pallid echo
If you can do rapid hitting of one key without it messing up or anything like you are playing the drums or something then you are golden.
real needle
yeah you can
pallid echo
GOLDEN π
real needle
now that 4.14 is out i wanna hook it up to a midi controller too ehehe
pallid echo
I might do that at some point myself (Midi controller hookup)
real needle
the keys also resonate when you hold them down just like a real piano
pallid echo
Oooo
granite jacinth
SOmeone did it for the gamejam
But either they didn't do it properly, or their game just wasn't that good
clever sky
I've found UI in VR to actually be easier than traditional.
Given that you don't need to account for variable window sizes.
balmy creek
@pallid echo Doing client work, so I'm cautious about using experimental features.
real needle
Did what for the game jam? @granite jacinth
clever sky
The widget stuff is pretty solid.
balmy creek
@clever sky Easier? Oh man. I'm struggling.
clever sky
@Nick only if you use 3D widgets!
balmy creek
Having to think about scale differently, whether or not I want a widget to attach to the camera, etc.
granite jacinth
@real needle midi
pallid echo
@balmy creek its not experimental π
real needle
In vr?
balmy creek
@pallid echo It is in 4.13, which I need to use for this project.
Still learning how it even works.
granite jacinth
Damn @balmy creek Already doing VR Client work a few weeks after you got one?
Such pro!
clever sky
@Nick I'll give you the rules of thumb for VR UI; no camera attachment for UI with exception of momentary and critical information indicators.
clever sky
Best case is spawning the UI to the actor now the camera or the controller.
i.e. you summon a floating window in the room.
granite jacinth
These emotes
clever sky
Similar to SteamVR UI.
balmy creek
@clever sky Indeed. That's what I'm aiming for.
clever sky
I've found hand attached UI to be varying degrees of wretched depending on implementation.
pallid echo
@balmy creek Its not experimental in 4.13? Don't have to do anything special to activate it.
balmy creek
Doing it with widget components is proving to be challenging, though. May just hack it with mesh components.
real needle
Widget components are incredibly easy
clever sky
Also make the UI large enough
balmy creek
@pallid echo It's under the Experimental category when I add it to my Blueprint, though.
@real needle I'm sure they are once you've done a decent UI with them.
clever sky
Again follow SteamVR here; 1-2m diagonal, 1-2m spawn from user.
And use laser pointer. Because pressing buttons by hand with such large sizes is... unergonomic.
pallid echo
@balmy creek Ah, I guess it is then. Oh well, only thing it does is replace mouse clicks essentialy though so it shouldn't cause you any issues.
balmy creek
Ah, OK. Interesting!
granite jacinth
Or watch my awesome tutorials
pallid echo
Or that too
granite jacinth
If you get stuck
balmy creek
Thanks guys. β€
clever sky
π
pallid echo
granite jacinth
That was my "first" tutorial, I learned a lot from that
Oh snap
Simon
47mins tho?
granite jacinth
skip the WBP creation
I need to find my mic for my headset
So when I go into VR
it takes headset mic and not blue yeti
but, vive has mic..
Hmm
pallid echo
The Vive mic is decent.
Obviously no where close to the best but its okay.
Better than my old X11 Turtle Beach headset mic for sure. lol
pallid echo
I'm not smart enough to understand what goes into that stuff (like the filtering and so on) seems pretty damn cool though.
Watch AI start getting put into normal cameras and such now.
clever sky
This game has nice UI: https://youtu.be/k9UoKScjqA4?t=211
I like the ammo read out on the gun. Nice and simple and game like... But imminently readable.
The HP on controller is also handy.
But it should show on camera when you take damage before fading (and accessible on controller look)
pallid echo
Serious Sam VR does it right for me.
They have these non intrusive bars that are attached to the camera but never get in the way of your view.
And ammo count is on the back of the gun.
clever sky
I love the super-jank of this VR demo/experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0BVlCv9kx0&feature=youtu.be
granite jacinth
You guys should play Cimbey
dry fjord
it's a vomitfest
clever sky
You don't like it? π
clever sky
Hahah.
Are you ok when just climbing?
Because there's a lot of kinda iffy jumping in there.
dry fjord
yeah
no idea
I actually stopped and then five minutes later the nausea got me
it'll have been the jumping though
clever sky
Interesting.
pallid echo
I've been wanting to play Climbey
curious about the motion sickness potential if any.
Only game that gets me sick at certain parts of it is Vanishing Realms. Any other game I'm good with even if it has trackpad based locomotion.
pallid echo
Seems to only be when I'm battling the skeletons
For instance the first time I played it and got to the very first skeleton you have to fight, about 30 secs into the battle I was feeling like crap.
clever sky
That's weird.
As hell.
There shouldn't be any unusual vection going on.
Maybe you're getting hit with frame rate drops??
Here. Have a gif of cats fighting to make you feel better: https://g.redditmedia.com/Qdqt0BDENANjskha_X38Ktn3Nklpc89Y_Nq5Bm2KEjI.gif?w=720&fm=mp4&mp4-fragmented=false&s=d1d7beb75150761920774ff76fc3948e
pallid echo
That's what I'm thinking too but the weird part is I can usually tell when I drop even a few frames
I dunno, at least its not all the time.
lmao
that cat GIF
That was great lmao
clever sky
Hehe π
tawdry dragon
@clever sky is doing a real service here.. Maybe you could start charging people and then supply them with cat gifs when they're feeling down?
pallid echo
^
dry fjord
I require a cat gif
clever sky
tawdry dragon
The Hero we need, but do not deserve
clever sky
π
dry fjord
hahaha that's great @clever sky
clever sky
π
mighty carbon
any news about Zenimax vs Oculus ?
hazy yarrow
Hey guys! Does anyone know how to do mixed reality recording in UE4? Looking into it for a trailer. Something like this: https://youtu.be/d4tn0eD0Nx4?t=88
My team is having trouble getting the game to record from a camera other than the HMD
winged shale
Yeah, probably not gonna work for a while out of the box
Unfortunately this is a point of contention with devs and Epic's implementation of the SteamVR plugin
spring pond
Has anyone here pushed a build to the Oculus store via the command line before?
Oh, nm, i found the info i needed, burried deep deep deep in their damn dashboard
hazy yarrow
Thanks @winged shale , any ideas on how to drury rig it and get it working? Or is it a fools errand?
winged shale
the best I've done is to reshape the UVs for the render target to make it 16:9 instead of the dreaded 3:4 view
if you've got a tinkering sense, you can see if you can get a 'stream to file' kind of scene capture camera implemented in the engine
then sync in post
alternatively you can use matinee or whatever it's called now to playback an 'action replay' of your scene after recording, but that might require some replication etc.
those are my ideas, (un)fortunately I'm not in the stage where I'd be doing a mixed reality trailer, so hopefully for me someone who is in that stage will hack it together, make a pull request, or epic will finally implement seperate render targets for VR
wicked oak
how to change the render target?
i would like to remove the black corners of the monoscopic view
just by zooming a bit more
hazy yarrow
dang. Yeah I was looking into the sequencer method. It looks like a massive hurdle though. Maybe 4.14 introduced something there. I'm not sure how to do any of hte stream to file/render to target things you mentioned atm
winged shale
another idea: if you don't care about your experience while you're playing, you could stick a render target material to the front of your face, a few inches ahead of only your right eye or left eye, and use an in-game camera to output to that, and then grab your video data from the steamVR mirror
hazy yarrow
Not a lot of information online for render to garget yet
wicked oak
good that ive added full replication to my game
i was plannig to use recording
and sequencer
to build a trailer
winged shale
then all you've got to do is transform it in after effects or whatever you're using, and then use the left eye cropped for the 'view footage'
winged shale
someone in here mentioned how to do the UV renter target change, you do it in the SteamVR plugin, let me see if I can find the thing in github that I used
mighty carbon
No Rift support π
clever sky
Google throwing down with Mirror World V0.01 here
Facebook? Social VR? Pah! We've got massive amounts of global mapped data. And we're building systems to make this conversion to 3D a cinch. And we're building AI systems to populate it. You can have the Metaverse; we'll take Earth 2.0
Is what I imagine the conversation at Google HQ is like regarding this stuff π
hard light
it doesn't specify Rift, but I suspect it will work
wintry escarp
hmmm case makes pressing power button harder, hopefully it will loosen up
s7 finger print reader isn't very good
I don't think it has ever read the fingerprint first time
mighty carbon
why do you want to lock your phone with fingerprint? What if something happens to you and your phone needs to be unlocked to get a hold of your relatives or whatever?
I don't lock my phone at all, since I don't store any sensitive data on it
spring pond
because a finger print is more secure, you can still dial ICE and 911 without unlocking the phone
mighty carbon
if you are unconscious, you can't dial shit π
spring pond
someone else can
mighty carbon
well, 911 arrives and how will they get a hold of your family ?
spring pond
ICE
In Case (of) Emergency, you can set it to anything you want (maybe even multiple numbers) and you can contact without unlocking the phone
and they can see the name/number
mighty carbon
hmm.. interesting
didn't know about that one
what if you jack up your finger that you use to unlock your phone? How to unlock it then?
spring pond
the pin
mighty carbon
(not emergency)
spring pond
you can still use a 6-digit pin to unlock a touchID device
hard light
difference is, now I can knock you out and access your phone π
mighty carbon
there is nothing of value on my phone π
clever sky
Question
spring pond
@hard light then i have bigger problems
hard light
I don't know, you haven't seen the photos I'm going to take of you and send to all your contacts
spring pond
@clever sky afaik no, multiple material ELEMENTS do tho
clever sky
@spring pond Oh... so if I have 4 material elements for my mesh, that's still going to be 4 draw calls, irrespective of instanced materials or not?
spring pond
yep
wintry escarp
i do scans of both thumbs since i can use either hand
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp did you find how to add emergency contacts and how to access them without unlocking your phone?
clever sky
@normal thorn Not really. I just wanted to know if I could get away with been lazy with materials :p
I've got this style going that looks pretty alright. Basically eschews texture maps and uses materials for faces/components
normal thorn
is your platform mobile? b/c from what I understand transparancy and reflection are bigger issues in PC performance
i mean I try to keep draws low
clever sky
VR
normal thorn
you can bake all those materials back down if you make them in maya
or max
what are you using?
clever sky
... sketchup.
normal thorn
I can see that as an issue
clever sky
I just hate the skinning process with a passion.
normal thorn
you can design around that
clever sky
I have! Kinda π
clever sky
Haha. It's all good. I'm just going to have to knuckle down
And crack this issue.
The learning UV thing that is.
normal thorn
yeah, a lot of people use 3rd party software to UV
balmy creek
Can I not use navmesh-based teleporting in a streamed level?
clever sky
It's just... if I could get away with assigning mats without UVs, it'd make my life super easy
normal thorn
I use 3d Coat, and a lot of people use hedus http://www.uvlayout.com/
clever sky
Yeah, I've used Hedus in the past.
Just pricey....
For a really bare bones looking tool.
normal thorn
@balmy creek I thought you could. But never tested that.
theres got to be a workaround
@clever sky 3D Coat is the way to go
I love it
$300 I think
balmy creek
When I play in the VR template's motion controller map, teleporting works great. But if I make a copy of that map and stream it into a different persistent map, it stops working. Sad day.
normal thorn
@balmy creek let me test that...
clever sky
I'll have to investigate it. Failed to take proper advantage of the trial though. Kinda poked at it and was a bit overwhelmed (was learning Maya at the same time).
normal thorn
I made some quick start tutorials. Let me know if you want to get into it. I can help, maybe update those tutorials
hard light
@Nick - probably to do with the fact their teleporting uses the nav mesh
balmy creek
Does the nav mesh not work correctly from a streamed level?
hard light
no idea, haven't looked at the setup
I wouldn't have used the nav mesh anyway, that's for pathfinding..
clever sky
@normal thorn That'd be nice; shoot me a link if you have one handy? π
brb. Gonna try google earth VR
normal thorn
@balmy creek tested streaming levels and it works
did you make sure to have your nav bounds extend to the new level?
balmy creek
Oh. Haha. Well I just tested and got the opposite result.
If the map in question is my persistent map, teleporting works. Only stops when I stream it in to another map.
I haven't messed with the nav mesh much; just removed the table with the pickup cubes since I don't need them. Left everything else alone.
Might it have something to do with where the player is relative to the nav mesh?
normal thorn
odd. I used the locomotion map, made a streaming level, bp to trigger and stream it in, nav bounds for all, build
I can test that map
there are nav modifier volumes in that level
which will block nav meshes from building
might be part of the issueu
tested that level, worked after I removed the NavModiferVolume
that was blocking
balmy creek
Oh? The motion controller map?
There's several nav modifier volumes. Which one did you remove?
normal thorn
well I turned on Show>navigation then you see which one is blocking, and delet it
for me it was 12, b/c I extended that map in that direction
I think the point of them in this map is to keep people from teleporting too close to a wall
balmy creek
Hm. Showing the nav mesh looks fine to me. It's all green where it needs to be.
Yeah, and to keep people from teleporting inside those stacks of cubes.
normal thorn
trigger to stream the level in, teleport around before and after
before you can't go where the level is not yet loaded
after you can
balmy creek
Weird...
uncut galleon
hey, does anybody know where to get a 3d Model of the daydream controller?
balmy creek
@normal thorn Interestingly enough, I notice that when I build navigation, a second identical nav mesh is being generated in my persistent level.
Might be related.
balmy creek
I see them in the world outliner.
normal thorn
ah the bounds are in the outliner
balmy creek
It's called RecastNavMeshDefault.
normal thorn
I teach unreal vfx at gnomon once a week, and students show me bugs that stump me all the time
like whyyyy? Ah this never happend to me, lets see.
I could remake that level w/o starter content, and send it to you to see if theres something corrupt or messed up in your template
well its only 34 megs if you want it
as is
balmy creek
Thanks, I really appreciate your help and patience. π
normal thorn
deleted starter content and now only 34 megs
balmy creek
Haha yeah, that's a big folder of stuff.
balmy creek
Thanks! I'll give it a go.
Shit. Actually, I need to take off soon. Traveling this afternoon.
When I get back to a computer later, how do I go through your test? Is NewMap the persistent level to start with @normal thorn?
normal thorn
@balmy creek its the controller map
open hit play and test. LTrigger streams in level
balmy creek
Ok great, thanks. I will get back to you later today when I test it.
Thanks again for helping out!
clever sky
Goddamn. Google Earth is some crazy shit.
Google Earth VR.
Also excellent locomotion and design all around.
Biggest con for me is really slow loading times.
Had to chill on my couch waiting for stuff to load.
But I could see which of my neighbours had pools and solar panels π
And that I live in a suburb where some people have tennis courts.
In their backyard.
Like... 50 meters away from a public tennis court with 15 courts on it!
heady parrot
looking forward to testing this out π should teach me about my new neighborhood as well (just moved to the US/Atlanta a few months ago)
clever sky
It's the ultimate spy tool!
I can see which one of my neighbours have dirty swimming pools!
clever sky
And whether or not they're meeting council regulations in building code!
I see, your built area occupies more than 50% of your plot. Perhaps it'd be troublesome if the wrong people were informed of this.
I know someone that could help you out here. But he's not cheap!
heady parrot
just write a neural net that gather all that information
then mass blackmail a whole city, get rich, run for president
clever sky
Muhaha
Only complaint is that it auto resizes you at height.
It has this nifty feature where the scale grows as you move closer to ground
But conversely, scale shrinks as you move further up.
But I kinda found a way to go full scale and then 'climb' my way to the top of a tall building.
Which gives an amazing view and sense of scale of a city.
Only problem is it'll forcibly resize you while you move your head
I saw things shrink before my eyes! D:
And it's tricky about it. It only does it on head move, so at first you're not sure what's happening.
'Was I... was I at that size before??'
heady parrot
how does it make you feel overall? with the locomotion and all
going to try this out tonight
clever sky
Well, I'm fairly motion sickness resistant.
But the experience was great for me.
It defaults to comfort mode that shrinks your FOV when you move
but I turned that off. Much better that way.
Few different types of locomotion, works very well together.
heady parrot
ah cool