virtual-reality

[neon egret]

Just that VR and the Mirror Preview have different UI

So you can have people look on the screen and see a proper UI and maybe even a different camera

Allar told me i might need to get into the steam hmd classes

[dry fjord]

ah I see

yeah I know what you mean

I guess if you place your UI in-world it'll show on both

[wintry escarp]

any of you got 2016 gearvr yet?

[neon egret]

@dry fjord Yep, that's no what I want though

Both should be strictly using their own UI

PC one the onscreen UI

and VR the VR UI

[dry fjord]

hmm

tough call

it's almost a question for epic

it'd be nice to know for sure

[distant nest]

So are there devices other than pixel that have been announced that support daydream?

[pallid echo]

Nothing yet sadly 😦

I'm hoping my Galaxy S7 Edge will be compatible. I don't even care if its within the recommended standards, I just want to be able to use DayDream and its little remote 😄

[distant nest]

I'd go buy a new phone right now, but confused by the verizon only thing for pixel. Google has always been about choosing your carrier.

[wintry escarp]

the axon7 claimed it supported daydream since may, not they removed that claim from advertising

now

[granite jacinth]

Yo

I want to confirm that VR Preview does NOT enable the OnlineSubsystem even though it is technically a new window, correct?

[dry fjord]

bitch and moan time. 99/100 I can't use my vive in UE anymore

occasionally it works

it just goes grey and stops tracking immediately

sick of restarting everything to try to fix it

valve needs to stop working on overwatch and fix vive

[dusk vigil]

The alternate camera question is good, works in unity

I haven't heard the devs using vive in our space complaining, perhaps you have something busted, like a cable or such? or works perfectly on other stuff

[dry fjord]

https://i.imgur.com/Wanfgur.png
what is this shit. everything was green a minute ago.

maybe

I've only had it three or four weeks

it does work better in other things though

[dusk vigil]

I know this may be a known hit list but

) check hdmi is in gpu card
) check usb is in blue slot not red or black
) unplug power from linkbox
) restart steamvr

if none of that aids you, then dig deeper

[dry fjord]

gonna take a nap and leave it unpowered for an hour, see if that helps

[dusk vigil]

unplugging and replugging linkbox / restart steamvr helps a lot for our buggy situations

[dry fjord]

same for the base stations, they can have a nap too

yeah I know

that's what was working for me until the last couple of days

[dusk vigil]

also you are on beta : )

so maybe thats just it

[dry fjord]

of course 😉 love me some async reprojection

it's most likely because it's beta

back soon

[granite jacinth]

lol

I had to restart my pc today because of that reason @dry fjord

I think it's a bug from their latest update

whatever it was

no bueno

[winged shale]

@distant nest Pixel phone is offered not only on Verizon but on Google Fi, which uses T Mobile, Sprint and US Cellular networks simultaneously for the best connection. I just got my Pixel XL yesterday with Fi and it's absolutely amazing.

And through the Google store they sell global unlocked pixels

[distant nest]

I need a GSM version

[winged shale]

I'm pretty sure the Google store ones that work with Fi work internationally because Fi gives free international roaming

The phones are built with all radios inside

[distant nest]

It seems confusing to say Verizon only if they have a GSM version

[winged shale]

Yeah it's weird

[distant nest]

How is your Fi coverage?

Are you mostly on wifi or cell?

[winged shale]

Great, it uses any wifi network you connect to as cell network, so you can call and Sms and MMS

And it connects to open wifi networks with Google VPN for security to supplement coverage

But the times I've used the mobile radios it's been perfectly fine

Most people don't get service at my house but I do with Fi

Oh yeah they also give you free data only Sim cards with no additional fee. And there's no data overage charges

I just wish that they would send me my code for the free Daydream view headset already, I'm super excited about learning to develop for it.

[sly chasm]

gr8

Im stuck

I got here by accident, but my headset isnt working

and I cant restart the setup

😖

even if I unplug it, it just says:

but doesnt let me go back

[winged shale]

@sly chasm damn you've really been getting the dick on this Oculus thing these past days

[sly chasm]

i kno

at least theyre sending a replacement cable

but I dont fully think it's that

[winged shale]

😌

[sly chasm]

prepare to get... UN-relieved

[winged shale]

😫

[sly chasm]

I went to a friend's house, and tried it out on his pc

... and it worked!

[winged shale]

Whoabaobobahuoh

What brand of gtx 1060 do you have

[sly chasm]

I think it's gigabyte

but Ill check

[winged shale]

Have you tried swapping it out for another?

Maybe an older one you have laying around

[sly chasm]

Im planning on doing that

oh

not another video card, no

except for his

I had a gtx 770 laying around, but it got stollen

[winged shale]

WTF in your house?

[sly chasm]

no

at my school

but that's a different story

[winged shale]

Damn

[sly chasm]

nope, I got MSI

this-a-one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127964

uh oh

black november

I bet this isnt going to sit well with companies' pockets

I think I might end up having to get a new motherboard...

which one do you guis recomend?

[pearl tangle]

you went with a 1060 for VR work?

[sly chasm]

well, I originally wasnt planning on doing it specifically

I just needed an upgrade from my 770

[winged shale]

I've got the Gigabyte Gaming 7 Z170 motherboard and I love it. People seem to also favor the ASUS ROG Z170 mobos

[dry fjord]

raaaar

it's doing what it was doing last night

this is weird

my setup is a rigged avatar looking at a mirror

the headset is off, but tracking

[clever sky]

Yo. This looks awesome. How would you guys do it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/5aj8el/traveler_devblog_5_model_workflow/

[dry fjord]

the UE camera isn't moving but the things that are attached to the camera move to the right place as per the tracking

SO STRANGE

[winged shale]

ASUS handles very high Skylake OCs well, up to 5GHz o. A 6700K easily. I've had no issues getting my 6700K to 4.60 from 4.0

[pearl tangle]

1060 is a bit underpowered for doing vr dev work though isn't it? its a bit below a 970 right?

[dry fjord]

so I have a steady camera looking at a mirror, which is showing the helmet moving around as I move the HMD, and a black screen in the HMD

1060 > 970

1060 is more like a 980ti

[pearl tangle]

@dry fjord you on a vive or rift?

[dry fjord]

vive

so why I have a steady camera looking at a rendertarget of itself moving is blowing my mind

[pearl tangle]

nah 980ti is much better still

[clever sky]

1060 is at 980ti levels?

[pearl tangle]

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/3439vs3639

[clever sky]

I was like... I didn't think the 10 series was that much of a jump.

[dry fjord]

this must be a UE problem

[winged shale]

1070 is at 980 Ti level for sure

[clever sky]

980ti should be between 1070 and 1080

[dry fjord]

I guess it's changed since I read the benchmarks early on

just get a 980ti then

cheaper

[pearl tangle]

yeah the 1070 is closer to the 980.

980ti is still more expensive than a 1060 in most places

[clever sky]

Ah wow. 1070 just edges out the 980ti.

Nice.

I'm still waiting on the 1080ti

Actually might just wait for next gen. 980 still servicable.

[winged shale]

But benchmarks like that are not a good indicator when you're comparing across different system architectures

[pearl tangle]

yeah im probably going to wait at home for the hybrid evga 1080ti. running a custom water cooled 980 at the moment and it's not enough of a jump to spend that kinda money

running a bunch of different 1080's at work, definitely good to be developing on

[clever sky]

Also: https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-38063

Vote it up! get it fixed!

[winged shale]

Yeah. Worth the extra money for the 1080 FTW, OCs like a tank, probably up to what the 1080 Ti reference card will do, can't wait to see what EVGA will spit out for Ti Pascal

[clever sky]

Rudy confirmed the bug yay

https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/516366/steam-chaperone-component-get-bounds-not-working-o.html

[pearl tangle]

all of the 1080's are capped at around the same sort of limit annoyingly so even with the water cooling you cant push it much further. seems like the EVGA hybrid manages the best though although i like the design of the gigabyte hybrid since its pretty much a solid block

[winged shale]

Gigabyte's everything has been pretty damn solid for a few years. My p35x 980M model has had some very good longevity and performance

[pearl tangle]

yeah it doesn't overclock as well as the evga does though

[winged shale]

And yeah that magic 2100 MHz

[pearl tangle]

or the seahawk actually

[winged shale]

Seahawk OP

[pearl tangle]

@clever sky you done any testing with print stringing the chaperone bounds rather than the mesh in the build? Is it just the mesh that isn't showing or the bounds aren't actually getting captured properly

im running a 1080 seahawk in my little mini itx event machine with the 3000 RPM noctua fans on a push pull 😉

100% usage for 8 hours straight and its barely pushing 40 degrees hah

[winged shale]

It's a lovely little custom

[clever sky]

@pearl tangle I called the get bounds manually as an array. It returns nothing! Nothinggggg!

[pearl tangle]

looking through benchmarks the evga can get an extra 50hz over it so a few more frames

but it gets the bounds properly in the editor?

[clever sky]

And I've tried different materials and what not. And have designed a work around that lets me force the bounds and manually set them.

in lieu of the get bounds functionality.

So it's definetly the get bounds that's broken.

[pearl tangle]

it sounds more like a steam vr issue if its on build actually. Is that in developer mode or just shipping?

[winged shale]

Yeah even on air I have had supreme luck with my FTW. It just doesn't get much better without liquid

[clever sky]

Don't know! Haven't packaged it multiple ways. Just whatever happens when you click on package - Win 64

And yeah, it gets the bounds fine in editor.

Most of the time

sometimes bugs out.

[pearl tangle]

try it in developer mode and include debug and on tick start spitting out the values and see if it gets anything

[clever sky]

k

[pearl tangle]

im running 1 of the MSI GamingX 1080's in this machine and it sits steady around 2000mhz with the overclocker and temps never really go above 60 even. wish the voltage stuff wasn't such a bitch so we could push them even further

[clever sky]

Voltage to be unlocked for the Ti 😛

[pearl tangle]

the seahawk only has the 1 8 pin connector too so it wont go any higher either

[winged shale]

Ugh the voltage such a PITA

[pearl tangle]

yeah i would say they will push the Ti's a fair bit in 6 months time

[grim condor]

when is the 1080ti released

?

[pearl tangle]

probably 6 months

[clever sky]

That seems like a much larger delay than between 980 and 980ti launch

[grim condor]

ok, thanks, keep my 980ti for a bit longer

[pearl tangle]

some sources are saying as early as january but 1080 was a big jump already and different fabrication process and now they have dropped down to 14nm on the 1050 so they will probably do the same on the 1080ti which would mean a bit longer wait

[winged shale]

as someone who worked at NV, I'd say that they're probably going to release it in spring

just a hunch 😃

[pearl tangle]

used to work at nvidia?

[clever sky]

If anyone was wondering if 2 tracking cams would be sufficient on Oculus Touch..

http://imgur.com/nzvyvnQ.jpg

[winged shale]

yes, resource management team for on-chip micro-OS

[pearl tangle]

sounds like an interesting gig!

2 cameras can handle 360 but not room scale apparently

[clever sky]

Damn. Spychiatrist got that tech cred behind him.

[pearl tangle]

thats why they say you need to spend another $80 to buy a third camera for room scale then run a bunch of usb cables all over your house

[clever sky]

@pearl tangle The diagram is from a dev out in the field that's tested it. Mostly ok, some areas a bit wobbly.

So... good enough for me!

[pearl tangle]

yeah should definitely work. it's more the FOV on the actual cameras is a lot lower than the lighthouses so you cant walk too close to them

and since it's likely these cameras are at lower heights, like sitting on a table due to the design of them that you can occlude them easier

[clever sky]

Well, still large enough. 100 hor 70 vert

[pearl tangle]

all about how you manage to place them i suppose

[clever sky]

Only trouble you get into is if you mount into the corners of the play space

and walk under them

As opposed to having a room with buffer elements (like furniture) and you can mount the cameras into that buffer space.

[pearl tangle]

well in front of them is the bigger issue i think. same with the lighthouses, if you have them where people can block 1 it becomes a problem still

[clever sky]

Yeah true that.

[pearl tangle]

id be interested to see if the cameras can mount onto the wall or something like the lighthouses can

[clever sky]

My personal set up is fine though - both lighthouse and oculus cameras are mounted around 2.2m

[pearl tangle]

i still haven't gotten my damn Rift because their customer service sucks. pre ordered in February...

[clever sky]

Seriously?

[pearl tangle]

yep

so now i have 5 Vives instead

[clever sky]

Wow...

I thought they cleared out their shortage issues ages ago.

I think they just forgot about you man 😛

[pearl tangle]

they cancelled my order without any reason and support was just like oh yeah order a new 1

although i should have had free shipping and the priority list on the touch

[clever sky]

Ah man.

[pearl tangle]

also gone through dozens of emails trying to find out stuff with their support and legal teams about releasing apps on gear vr and couldn't get a proper response from them. so now I have 4 applications ready to go to market, all of which won't be bothering with gear vr and will be going straight to vive and daydream

[clever sky]

Man... that's just piss poor D:

[pearl tangle]

was trying to sell a client (an alcohol brand) on doing it and releasing on Gear VR. Oculus' response to whether they would let us release an alcohol related experience was "just build it and submit and see what happens".... im sure my client would be very happy to give us several hundred thousand dollars to then "see what happens"

[clever sky]

Setting aside however you might feel about Luckey or Facebook, that's just house on fire and everyone is running around like mad men screaming level of service right there.

[pearl tangle]

yeah HTC support wasn't much better either. im based in Singapore at the moment and neither of them ship here so was a massive fuck around even getting the vives. I think I own half of the 1s in the country

I am still probably the only person in the country with the Hololens' as well since they were like $4500 USD each to get here

[clever sky]

Dayum. What kinda business you run? VR marketing?

[pearl tangle]

i work in a creative agency but built out a dedicated VR team over in Singapore. so not really doing game development stuff. doing more 1 off event based VR things

[clever sky]

Ah that's right. I remember someone was doing event stuff. So that's you 😃

[pearl tangle]

yep most likely

[clever sky]

Did you guys happen to work on some sort of doritos driving game? 😛

[pearl tangle]

we have done a cardboard/daydream app as well and going to publish some vive stuff but its not our main focus, more just as extra content to the big custom event things. so we do a custom setup with props and stuff, then do a cut back version and a 360 video and stuff

nah that 1 wasn't us

[clever sky]

Fair enough 😃

[pearl tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9TnIPZbudk here is a 360 capture from 1 we did a couple months back. Gotta do the editing and audio again on this

[clever sky]

Cool beans.

[pearl tangle]

so we built the physical space to the exact same dimensions and 3D scanned the chair so that you could actually walk around and lean on the windows and stuff

real video outside the windows, CGI inside

[clever sky]

So you guys do more on site sorta stuff?

[pearl tangle]

then on 1 wall of the outside of the hut did projection mapping of the 4m wall for mixed reality view

well we did this as well but still needs some updates. doing a vulkan build update this week

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/johnnie-walker-blue-label-vr/id1140707795?mt=8

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iris.BlueLabelVR&hl=en

and the 360 video just doing final touches on today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK48WnNGjOA

[clever sky]

Nice. Fancy stuff.

[pearl tangle]

only downside of using unreal for doing the animations is that liquids and glass still suck compared to using vray or arnold

[sly chasm]

or even blender

[pearl tangle]

we captured that in 8k 60fps for the outdoor scene. 933gb of images hah

[sly chasm]

cycles*

[clever sky]

Ah

[pearl tangle]

ended up at 1.5Tb for a 3.5minute video

[clever sky]

That's what happens when you go 8k still images! 😛

[pearl tangle]

hah yep. dropped back down to 4k 30fps on the other scenes since there wasn't as much movement and because we were running out of storage. especially since we needed to transfer them over to the video editors machine then you need enough scratch disk space etc etc

still a shitload better than trying to render that using a traditional renderer

my mates did a 3 minute 360 video with Arnold render. cost them $5000 on the render farm

[clever sky]

In other news: http://uploadvr.com/inside-out-google-solve-tracking/

Solved, cept the heat. Release a PC headset you jerks!

[pearl tangle]

yeah the tango does inside out tracking fairly well. hololens still manages to do a fair bit better job though so im interested how microsofts stuff will go

[clever sky]

Or license that to display style headsets!

[pearl tangle]

it should be part of the daydream spec. idno why it isn't

[clever sky]

Probably cost and because late to finish.

[pearl tangle]

i have done some VR stuff with the tango tablet already, works decently

[clever sky]

Nice.

[pearl tangle]

nah ive had a tango for 2 years

tech has been there for ages

[clever sky]

Yeah, but I mean getting it to a state they were satisfied with.

Under 20ms motion to photon and all that

From what I recall, the tango latency is fairly high no?

The old tango latency.

[pearl tangle]

shouldn't really be too much of an issue. it's not as good as the headset but it wasn't really attempting to be so should be able to bump it up a bit

[clever sky]

Ah you mean running it as a standalone device

Ummm... the tango bit stand alone from the rest of the device (rendering and display)

Too bad that doesn't mean we'd be able to jury rig up a Rift/Vive with tango and have them be wireless.

[pearl tangle]

nah i mean they hadn't designed the tech in it for VR stuff

but if they make some adjustments they could boost its capability to suit it pretty easily

[sly chasm]

Do you guys know the motherboards that have USBs supported by Oculus and HTC?

[clever sky]

Uh... try to find ones with intel USB chipsets

@pearl tangle have you heard of 'Nozon'?

[pearl tangle]

they just got bought out by the star guys

[clever sky]

Yeah.

[pearl tangle]

saw a blog thing about it the other day

http://www.roadtovr.com/starbreeze-wants-bring-pixar-level-quality-vr-film-newly-acquired-pre-rendering-technique/

[clever sky]

Seems like something you could use for your stuff?

[sly chasm]

Arent all boards that support intel, have intel-chipsets?

[pearl tangle]

yeah i was interested in it for film making stuff actually been playing around a little bit with it already

[clever sky]

Because (limited) positionally tracked prerendred VR sounds amazing.

Ah cool. How's it work? Is it doing a virtual lightfield capture?

[sly chasm]

that's the stuff that gives you real motion sickness

[clever sky]

@sly chasm depends on how you implement it. But this one allows you to move your head within a limited space and have it accurately tracked.

[pearl tangle]

nah the idea is that it's like a 360 video that you can move around in, so removes the motion sickness

[sly chasm]

oh

[clever sky]

Yeah, but how's it let you move around inside?

[sly chasm]

nm then

[pearl tangle]

essentially rather than a fixed camera position it's like a camera with a 1m range on it

[sly chasm]

doesnt it stich together its footage using depth sensing?

[pearl tangle]

its more like capturing the video with a stereo camera from a couple of angles rather than a single lens camera

well its for CGI stuff. just lets you do all pre rendered things with arnold or vray so can get way better quality but then still have realtime stuff in there as well

[clever sky]

What you describe sounds more like the stuff that has been shown off with Obama's National Park vr thing.

i.e. stereo 360. But not repositional.

Which sounds a lot more like the lightfield stuff that the ball Lytro cam does.

Lytro Immerge

[pearl tangle]

well stereo 360 is just capturing it in 3D but doesn't provide positional tracking

lytro is doing lightfield to capture variable DOF so that it can allow a small amount of positional tracking but not as much as what you can do with the CGI based 1s

[clever sky]

The Immerge allows for repositional within the sphere space.

So basically any light that hits its surface it'll be able to use to reconstruct the scene from within the volume of the sphere.

Which sounds like the Nozon stuff.

Only thing that makes me think it's not the same type of thing is... Lytro has mentioned that full repositional lightfield requires massive massive amounts of data.

So not suitable for end user distribution.

... I guess if you're running a custom setup like IMAX, that doesn't matter as much though.

[pearl tangle]

yeah the nozon stuff is only for pre rendered CGI, not filming

the lightfield stuff is never meant to actually distribute since essentially you are taking about 100-1000 images of the exact same things just with your camera focus at different depths

normally you capture it then go into post and pick your focus point and then save that out as the actual image for people

[clever sky]

Yeah.

I just can't wrap my head around how Nozon can allow for repositioning in a similar way to the lytro without (seemingly) taking nearly as much data space.

Is it... because it's rendering out a different sort of information (light ray vectors?)

[pearl tangle]

in the same way that unreal doesn't take up shitloads of space

[clever sky]

Well, that's real time

Unless it's a hybrid real time/rendered engine?

[pearl tangle]

it doesn't adjust the lighting based on your head movement, it's a single render for the lighting, it just captures things from different angles within a specific range for the modelling

you render the lighting once when you bake things in unreal, thats essentially what it does

[clever sky]

Ah

ok.

[pearl tangle]

give it a download on steam and try it out

[clever sky]

I was under the impression that it was fully prerendered like Octane

There it is.

Cheers for that info.

[pearl tangle]

yeah they have the beaver/robot scene there for 12gb

[clever sky]

Well that'll take a while.

[silk lodge]

It can run right off a m.2 drive

so you could watch entire movies with it

it interfaces with current rendering systems so you can render on render farms

it's pretty cool stuff

[clever sky]

What's it?

Nozon?

or Lytro lightfields?

[silk lodge]

the paralax presenZ stuff

I don't know exactly what it is

but I would watch a good movie in it

[pearl tangle]

yeah thats nozon

[dry fjord]

What's this about octane?

Ah light fields

[clever sky]

Bloody hell.

They really did an amazing job with obduction

It's like that first time I played Zork The Inquisitor.

OMG full motion graphics!

[dry fjord]

It's missing that vital fun element though. I may have to try it again

[pearl tangle]

its just using a gamepad right?

[dry fjord]

I downgraded to the non-beta of steam VR and I'm seeing exactly the same problem

VR just won't work

anyone had this?

[pallid echo]

VR doesn't work meaning?

[dry fjord]

two current situations

1. right now the HMD isn't tracking and displays black or grey

2. sometimes it DOES track but it doesn't display anything. also bizarrely the camera doesn't track to it, so stays still, but items INSIDE the camera float around with the HMD in the right location

[pearl tangle]

thats the vive right?

hdmi or dp?

[dry fjord]

yeah vive. HDMI

my physical setup hasn't altered in any way

everythings in the same plugs

[pearl tangle]

so was just when you updated steam vr? what gpu and drivers?

[pallid echo]

I'm assuming you already did the whole list of stuff like remove/reinstall SteamVR drivers, etc?

[clever sky]

@dry fjord hmmm... rub your headset with a cloth?

long shot, but might work!

[dry fjord]

hahaha

I've done rebooting

[pearl tangle]

and maybe a genie will come out

[dry fjord]

I've done reinstalls

I might verify UE next

other games play OK in the vive

so it must be UE

[clever sky]

Fair call 😃

[pearl tangle]

have you started steam vr before the engine or letting the engine fire it up?

[clever sky]

I know when I lose tracking, I rub the headset and it normally comes back 😛

[pallid echo]

Have you by chance tried the suggestion that fixed the 108 error issue in UE4?

That fixed a few of my problems not even related to the UE4 issue.

[clever sky]

Yeah... so Obduction... amazingly pretty. Game is basically as dumb as an early 90s adventure game. No surprise given it was made by people famous for 90s adventure games.

Turned up all the settings to epic and 170 screen res

[dry fjord]

yeah I always start steamvr first or it doesn't work

[clever sky]

Game looks like straight up CG for everything further out than 1 meter

[dry fjord]

I did that bananking, that's when my serious problems started

[clever sky]

Maybe a couple meters.

[dry fjord]

what did you see when it refreshed the firmware?

I saw nothing

[pallid echo]

I saw nothing as well

Just fixed stuff lol

[dry fjord]

I might try that again

are you on beta or regular?

[pallid echo]

Beta

[dry fjord]

hrm it's just showing grey out of the engine now

[pallid echo]

The newest one that just came out today as well actually.

[dry fjord]

ok

ok, lobby is back

UE all verified

fuck's sakes

I'm not sure what to try next. this is stopping me in my tracks.

I might try removing all the vive crap and reinstalling that

wahey it's fixed

and I don't know how

all I did was go back to the latest beta

[winged shale]

I also did the fabled beta-drop to fix another issue

[dry fjord]

oh, that's a thing?

all it does is force a reinstall

I guess a setting is getting messed up somewhere

which means it wasn't UE

[winged shale]

nah I just made the name up, not sure if it's a thing but it definitely fixed my issue

[dry fjord]

mean

[pearl tangle]

yeah the vive software is still way too bloody dodgy.

i always get the annoying thing where steam gets stuck on "exiting" and wont open a new program so you have to close steam vr and re-open it

and unreal game if its launched with launch steam vr, but it doesn't work the first time, then have to close unreal and open it again

[clever sky]

I get the thing where steam crashes without notice and I'll only know when I mouse over its bloody icon in the tray and it disappears.

Or I put on the headset and the steam icon is missing. Which wouldn't be that bad, except I can't launch anything through Vive!

[pearl tangle]

oh yeah thats annoying too. if something else launches steam vr then you can't access the steam stuff in there so have to just close it again and open steam first

[clever sky]

That too!

[pearl tangle]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/513760/?snr=1_7_7_230_150_1

this is actually quite impressive. this is what the unreal VR editor needs to be like

[clever sky]

Fuck shit. I'm getting black screen in UE now

Nvm. It's because Unreal prefers the Oculus HMD if its plugged in

[pearl tangle]

bloody oculus

[clever sky]

Anyone interested in a mirror's edge style parkour game for VR?

Full body motion based system! 😛

[pearl tangle]

yeah weren't you gonna share over a locomotion prototype to test out?

[clever sky]

Yeah. I'll package it up and upload this evening.

Happy to sign an NDA?

[pearl tangle]

yeah sure

you aren't going to be revealing that much in the prototype though surely?

[clever sky]

Ok. Well I'll need to organize that 😛

Just the most important part D:

[real needle]

You should all play Climbey if you're interested in parkour style locomotion. It's one of the best MP games I've played on the vive, and it's still barebones

[clever sky]

Yeah, played it loved it. I've put the climbing system into my thing too

[real needle]

It's the vive game with most laughs for me atm

Whether it's people smacking their controllers into things or just missing a friendly hand trying to catch someone falling

[clever sky]

The climbing is the best part. The walking around bit is a bit eh (arm swinger)

[real needle]

Fortunately it's a climbing game :b

[clever sky]

Luckily the game is about climbing!

But mine isn't. It just happens that you can 'climb'

[real needle]

I was able to beat the "superlong" user made maps

[clever sky]

Nice.

I can't get past the ice ramp

[real needle]

Z-block is tricky with all the spikes

That one is all about trying to move straight

Even motions with your hands

[pearl tangle]

yeah i have downloaded it but not tried out yet

i have been enjoying rec room quite a bit lately as well

pretty funny playing it in a shared space with a couple of other people in vives

was doing some tests to see how we would go with collision avoidance and how the tracking would handle multiple people in a shared space

[real needle]

Copresence 😃

It's undoubtly a feature I have been working on for The Nest 😃

[pearl tangle]

oh yeah but we weren't doing a shared space game. playing paintball and frisby golf in rec room where you can teleport becomes interesting

[real needle]

yeah I tried the same with Raw Data, you just gotta talk to eachother constantly

[pearl tangle]

haha yep but then we did headphones :p

so then you couldn't actually tell the direction of the persons voice

[real needle]

vivemare

[pearl tangle]

but definitely for the other 1s we are doing once you have no teleport features it becomes easy

we are potentially going to be working on a 4 player co-op 1 similar to the star trek 1 they have been showing off

[real needle]

sweet!

[pearl tangle]

but for another alcohol brand hah. im trying to get over to do the steam tracker training in december and see if we can use those for custom tracking rather than going with a $40k optiTrack setup

[real needle]

swing by our office while you're here

[pearl tangle]

you are in seattle?

[real needle]

yeah!

[pearl tangle]

nice. did you go do the course already?

[real needle]

nope, we don't have the manpower or the technical skills to do anything better than the other licencees

It's 3k for 1 ticket

I need another computer.

I'm just waiting for the pucks to be released

[pearl tangle]

yeah its not cheap. but at least once 1 person in the company does it then nobody else needs to. so I will do it then can distrubute stuff to our other offices if anybody wants to get into it. plus il be the only person in Singapore with them for a while. they will probably open it up after SXSW

[clever sky]

Been wondering what the weird bug is when I'm turning in Obduction (on the Rift)

Seems like snap turning and ASW aren't good bedfellows!

Dammit Oculus! This is what happens when you champion front facing!

[real needle]

Am I the only one who sees "warping" when I'm using the rift?

The world bends in my lower view

[clever sky]

Nope. Looks good to me outside of the snap turns

[silk lodge]

is it the lens position not matching the position of your eye?

[clever sky]

Because obviously it's trying to match up two different images and failing

[real needle]

@silk lodge Yeah it is, I'm on the lower IPD side

But it never used to happen with the DK2

[silk lodge]

different optics though

[real needle]

It's quite obvious to the point where I can't forget about it

[silk lodge]

are your eyes centered?

[real needle]

Sure, but one would think they'd be better

Yes

[silk lodge]

headset two high or low might make a difference

[real needle]

Yeah but when I get it at the right spot with no warping, I'm no longer in the center of the sweet spot

So blur or warping. I'd pick warping.

Did anyone try this out yet btw? https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/gesture-tracker-vr

[silk lodge]

looks cool

[pearl tangle]

yeah i got it the other day

[silk lodge]

I'm planning on building something like that which is a little more specific to my case 😃

[pearl tangle]

was looking to put together my own 1 for a japanese learning game i was screwing around with. figured $20 saves me potentially a hell of a lot of screwing around hah

I think the unity plugin that does similar stuff seems much better since it uses neural networks to train the gestures over repeated attempts so it gets a much better idea. this 1 is just a once off train

[real needle]

@pearl tangle I agree, they stated they were working on one for unreal!

But I haven't followed up on that

[pearl tangle]

yeah that tends to happen quite a bit with unity vs unreal stuff

[silk lodge]

you can also make a gesture just a series of trigger boxes

[pearl tangle]

yeah depends what sort of accuracy you want

also depends how many gestures you are trying to have too

[silk lodge]

if you randomly distribute those boxes, you can have plenty

[pearl tangle]

since im doing japanese stuff just hiragana and katana alphabets are 92 characters. and a lot of them are fairly similar

so being able to differentiate between them properly is the tricky part

[silk lodge]

yeah

hopefully it's a spell casting in japanese game

[pearl tangle]

and then if i put in Kanji there is like 15000 of those bastards

[silk lodge]

cast tempature

cast bullet train

cast cooking

[pearl tangle]

well I started doing it before similar to a pokemon sort of game. so each character was a different monster

[silk lodge]

oo that's cool

Grandmother, I choose you!

[pearl tangle]

but need to get more into the actual understandings of linguistics and the language to figure out better mnemonic methods for it. some good language learning 1s around do a good job with that but i still learn stuff better from games

@real needle have you guys started porting nest onto touch yet?

[real needle]

@pearl tangle Current version on steam can already be played with it

As of a couple of months ago

[pearl tangle]

well most 1s setup properly with steam vr right can easily enough right?

[real needle]

You're right, but some of the input is different

Touch's capacitive events are different from the vive

[pearl tangle]

do anything interesting with that?

saw you decided to release your other 1 as well. the zombie 1?

[real needle]

It's just a halloween demo

But it's free, and fun

I wrote all of that code at the end of last year. Way before physical animations

When we actually go back to work on it I will refactor everything. I've learned to much since then

The demo is using forward rendering though if you want to check it out

I just got an artist to work with me on The Nest MP though, so development is about to ramp up 😃 Most of the mechanics have had their prototype phase, but we need to experiment a lot with the designs of the levels

[pearl tangle]

nice keen to give it a crack again

im trying to move my daydream/cardboard app over to 4.14 to do a vulkan build at the moment but it wont open the map annoyingly

[real needle]

We're updating The Nest tomorrow with leaderboards and some bugfixes

Since I'm the only dev I couldn't keep updating single player when I refactored the entire game for MP...

Or was, the only dev

[pearl tangle]

you released the multiplayer 1 already?

[real needle]

Nonono

It's a private beta branch on steam atm, there's a ton of stuff to do on useability

Server Lists/Friends etc

I also have to redo the single player portion with all the new classes, but that's pretty straight forward. I think people will love to play the same damn old level again but with the ability to actually move to other Nests 😃

Here's some footage from Immerse where we demoed with the IliumVR rifles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNcZVFKIAMk

Anyway, night folks

[pearl tangle]

oh nice!

would love to give that a try with 4 guys in 1 space

getting me some of those controllers now for sure. hadn't heard of them till now!

[clever sky]

So how hard is it to do a 'real optical scope'?

Can't you just shift the render capture camera around relative to head position and rifle scope?

[pearl tangle]

i know thats what he had going with it before when i was testing it before release

but the problem with that is that it would then go through objects if you are just shifting its physical position

[clever sky]

Hmmm yeah

[granite jacinth]

@real needle Only dev huh? I see how it is!

[clever sky]

It'd need to have a range in which it can move before blacking out

(i.e. because you're now seeing the light from inside the scope... i.e. no light)

Some way of masking render capture that isn't apparent to the user.

[pearl tangle]

yeah could just do a basic line trace and check the distance from the camera is < length of the trace

[clever sky]

Can't picture that in my head

[pearl tangle]

just on tick you trace forward the "zoom distance". if the trace returns a hit where the length is less than the length of the distance between the player and the camera then it means the camera is on the other side of something

so then you should pull the camera back a bit and then it will be more like the camera is zooming on it and hitting it

or you can do that in reverse and just trace the distance and place the camera at the hit point - 50u or something and if it doesn't hit anything then its just the max length of the trace which would be your zoom level

[clever sky]

ah

i see!

[wicked oak]

ive done it with a render target and a camera with a very very low FOV on the visor

but it looked completely flat, i wasnt happy with it

[dusk vigil]

I wonder if somebody might assis me understanding something: I am using the 4.13 VR Default project.

I am adding some basic inputs so I can work without VR : So, I am adding to the MotionControllerPawn blueprint, and AddcontrollerYaw and Pitch work just fine ( Target is Pawn ). But, then I try to AddMovementInput ( Target is Pawn ), and I have checked the flow by watching and debugging, numbers look good, but it will not move anywhere.

If I do AddActorWorldOffset ( Target is Actor ) I can get things to move, so I am not stuck as such but I don't understand why the ControllerInput works but the MovementInput does not?

[clever sky]

Because VRPawn overrides a bunch of basic shit that you take for granted.

And breaks them into tiny little pieces.

If you want to move, you gotta teleport son!

That, or just grab Mordentral's VRExpansionPlugin for a good starting point where you can do all that stuff you take for granted.

It also has collision moving with you, so you can't walk through walls either in room space or with addmovementinput

[dusk vigil]

Thanks for tips. Sure I am using teleport when in VR mode, but for quick iteration I prefer to have some basic non vr mode stuff so I dont have to be taking the hmd on and off all the time

I guess my next question would be, how can I tell that something is being overridden? I can't seem to do 'find definition' on the AddMovementInput function

[clever sky]

Probably gotta dig

I'm guessing to be honest. Otherwise the pawn is inheriting from a parent that doesn't use that function

dig into its parents and see what they have

[dusk vigil]

I will dig. I think I may be having some clues from the tips yes "Base Pawn class won't automatically apply movement" etcetera

all righty I carry on

[clever sky]

good luck

[hard light]

Anyone done much with cardboard? I'm deploying an app to my phone for testing at the moment, but the game itself is just rendering black

it's obviously running as I still have audio / input

apparently this is a common Android problem, but most of the threads on answerhub seem to be complete dead ends

[mighty carbon]

Not with UE4. I don't recall UE4 supporting cardboard

Daydream should have automatic fallback for non-Daydream phones, but you need Android 7 for Daydream and 4.14p2

[wintry escarp]

installed the cardboard sdk onto the phone?

[hard light]

@mighty carbon - there's a GoogleVR plugin that comes with the engine, for Cardboard and Daydream

@wintry escarp - I have the Cardboard app, and the demos render just fine

[mighty carbon]

right, but that's for Daydream (Cardboard is a fallback)

and Daydream requires Android 7

[wintry escarp]

cardboard works on my phone, just doesn't work well

movement is a bit jerky

suntemple scene might be too heavy for vr testing

[mighty carbon]

and UE 4.14p2 is the only UE4 build that can deploy for Daydream (also should come with all respective dependencies)

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124671-Which-UE4-build-is-best-for-Google-VR-amp-googlevr-branch-build-error

[wintry escarp]

yeah, daydream will only run on pixel at the moment, or nexus 6p

[hard light]

I'm pretty sure the documentation says the GoogleVR plugin should work for Cardboard :/

[wintry escarp]

it does

make sure to disable all the other vr plugins

[hard light]

yeah, I've disabled everything except GearVR and GoogleVR

[wintry escarp]

gearvr blocks it

[hard light]

interesting, let me try disabling that

[mighty carbon]

what phone do you have, @hard light ?

[hard light]

I have a whole pile of phones

[mighty carbon]

which one are you trying to use currently ?

Gear VR software doesn't block GoogleVR stuff

[hard light]

S7

[mighty carbon]

if you simply put your S7 into Cardboard (assuming you have Cardboard app installed), it should work

I have S6, works fine (with stock Cardboard apps)

[wintry escarp]

I had to disable all other vr for googlevr to work

[hard light]

like I said, works for the demo apps, but not for my own (renders black)

[mighty carbon]

however, if you plug your S7 into Gear VR and want to use Gear VR as Cardboard, then yes, it's not going to happen

[hard light]

I'm just doing Cardboard for now

aha!

now I am seeing something

it's a bit broken, but I definitely saw meshes and stuff, and the eye viewports are in the right place

cheers @wintry escarp

[mighty carbon]

what about HDR? I recall it caused issues with Gear VR back in the days. Maybe same thing with Google VR.

also, if disabling Gear VR plugin allows you to use Google VR, it's a bug and I'd report it to Epic

The only thing that should matter is the option where to deploy your project

[hard light]

we have mobile HDR disabled, so I don't think that's an issue - it may well be a rendering setting conflict though

[full junco]

I don't get SSR disabled... I don't need it, it wastes GPU time, I just can't find a way to disable it

[wintry escarp]

I see fove have started taking pre orders for their hmd

$549, less than I expected

[mighty carbon]

@wintry escarp who?

[wintry escarp]

fove, a vr headset with eye tracking

been in dev for a while

will need gpu support to get a proper speed boost but carmack said its the obvious way to reduce the gpu load

[mighty carbon]

I think it all comes down to support, platform and longevity of the product. I don't think there is any other company besides Valve and Oculus that can offer those

[hard light]

I'm not too sure Oculus is long for this world either

they've basically been harpooned by Samsung and Microsoft recently, and Facebook doesn't seem to be doing anything to promote it either

[lucid pecan]

so half a billion $ investment for their ecosystem doesn't count?

[wicked oak]

and all the super high quality free games coming with Touch

Dead and Buried and Robo Recall, for start

plus it runs all the steamVr games

[mighty carbon]

Oculus hater talk, @hard light ? 😉

[hard light]

I have no problem with Oculus

they have Touch coming (about time), and some decent games, but they don't seem to be doing anything to actually sell the product

they don't even advertise on Facebook, their own platform?

[wicked oak]

ive seen WAY more HTC Vive adverts than oculus

a lot of them

around internet

[hard light]

I can buy Vives on the high street now, but Oculus is nowhere to be seen

Facebook have also just launched their PC game content delivery system / app front

...but Oculus isn't mentioned in it at all

I kind of feel like Facebook bought Oculus, and then just left it in the corner to do it's own thing, heh

(there are now also physical arcades popping up - guess which VR system they use)

[wicked oak]

pretty much yes, ambershee

Facebook bought them and left them to do their thing

i guess they want to let the oculus sell itself

and the arcades use Vive becouse thats the easily availible one

[mighty carbon]

well, Oculus already made it clear that they are distributor

just like Steam platform

Steam doesn't do any ads

HTC advertises Vive

And since Oculus makes their own hardware, I guess they need to do it all by themselves, but they don't do it ?! Who knows why

however, Best Buy has Oculus station

and last weekend I saw quite a few people lined up to try it

If Oculus survives Zenimax's lawsuit, I think they will lead the field in a long run

[wintry escarp]

if MS get a good open hmd out for £299 oculus will be in trouble

[mighty carbon]

except it won't be that good

even PSVR costs more than that, yet offers lower quality and poorer tracking

also, MS VR has no motion controllers

so, if the FOV is lower, resolution is lower, no motion controls and no support (MS stated it won't support VR on XB-next until VR is more than a bunch of demos and experiments), why would one go for that kind of VR, even if it's cheaper ?!

[wintry escarp]

I thought they all settled on vive/rift res or higher

except ps4 which is gpu limited

[mighty carbon]

well, unless MS sells HMDs at loss, I don't see how they can match Rift/Vive + do inside-out tracking for $300

[wintry escarp]

maybe they think they have to get onto at least one bandwagon after f*cking up mobile

they might have a lot of tech developed as part of hololense

[mighty carbon]

we'll see when they reveal it

Rift was suppose to be $350 too 😉

[wintry escarp]

oculus have done almost everything wrong

[real needle]

Yeah, that's why I plan on getting a vive

Plus the motion controls open up a wider varity of games to play/make

[wintry escarp]

at least they've avoided the final coffin nail so far, linking it to a facebook account

[mighty carbon]

@real needle Rift has better motion controllers (which are coming next month)

[real needle]

But I do not wish to support their business practices.

[mighty carbon]

lol, okay

[wicked oak]

when i was demoing my game at the last convention, i found something(might be very obvious)

people absolutely loved it

and really wanted to buy it, most of them asked me how to buy one

[mighty carbon]

Rift?

[wicked oak]

when i tell them that its 900 euros and a beefy as hell computer, they all get letdown

then i tell them that the PSVR is more accesible at half the price

but not as good

i think i sold a bunch of PSVRs this days

[mighty carbon]

well, obviously VR is niche, and PC VR is expensive niche in particular

however, if there was a worthy experience (a metaverse, not MineCraft), people with cash would buy into it

[wintry escarp]

psvr is misleading

[wicked oak]

im preparing a GDD for Sony right now, as a product proposal

my game will launch on Oculus first, then steam, and then PSVR version

[wintry escarp]

it costs more than they say, and within a few months of new ps4 games will target that

[wicked oak]

unless sony pays me a little, not even much

[mighty carbon]

is there a difference between VR multiplayer and regular multiplayer ? (framework I mean, not experience)

[wicked oak]

its interesting that im making a fairly detailed GDD for them, while i havent been able to test PSVR

[wintry escarp]

I wonder what preview2 added

[mighty carbon]

whatever wasn't working/missing in preview1 😛

[runic wave]

Does anyone know if a 980 is good enough to run the editor in vr comfortably?

[real needle]

I've tried it with a friends Vive, and it worked decently enough

I have a EVGA GTX 980 SC

Wish i got to play around more, i really like the idea of VR

[runic wave]

thx, looking forward to playing around with it 😃

[real needle]

I'm looking at a vive for development reasons, but i can't justify the price until more games come out/i get better at development

[wintry escarp]

980 should be fine

[dry fjord]

the price isn't bad if you want to just use development as justification

and the games are coming 😄

[wicked oak]

wait for oculus touch release

and decide then

its very probable that if you get a vive right now, you will not be happy when oculus releases all those sweet oculus touch games

that cant even be hacked or emulated to work on vive wands

[dry fjord]

we need to stop dissuading people from getting into VR because of the fanboy drive

just get whatever man, anything with roomscale and motion controllers will be like a new reality for you

what vblanco said was mostly just.. not right

[balmy creek]

Does anyone have recommendations for affordable tripods for the Vive lighthouse sensors?

[dry fjord]

amazon has some nice ones

of a variety of styles

[balmy creek]

Wall-mounting is a somewhat risky option for me.

[dry fjord]

what country are you in?

[balmy creek]

US.

[dry fjord]

yeah easy just got on amazon and search for vive stands

make sure you get the ball mount too

congrats on your new vive by the way

if you do get the choice, get the stands that jam into the ceiling and floor

the smaller footprint is really good

then you get a ball joint clamp to mount on that

[balmy creek]

Ah interesting. Thanks! ❤

Looking at a few choices on Amazon now, and they're way more affordable than I thought.

Found a compatible pair for $33. I was expecting to pay upwards of $100 for a good pair.

[dry fjord]

damn, check this out too https://www.amazon.com/MDW-Management-Virtual-Headset-Adhesive/dp/B01LC4QKZG/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&qid=1478119882&sr=8-28&keywords=vive+stands

I had to pay $120 for stands in NZ

they';re really nice stands then I never ended up using them

I just 3m taped the lighthouses to the wall

you can get them back off with a paint scraper and some patience

there's this 13kg tape that I now use for EVERYTHING

you find out pretty quickly that the ideal vive space is a marked off area with lots of room beyond it to put the sensors in

you can get occlusion problems right beneath a sensor

but it doesn't happen often

[balmy creek]

Ah, interesting. You need mounts and stands?

Or do the mounts just make things easier/more adjustable?

I see some decent ball bracket mounts for $8.

[dry fjord]

if you just smack the lighthouses on the stands they won't be able to see anything near the floor

so yeah, ball mounts are essential

the ball mounts are cheap as, I got them from amazon and remailed them, couldn't get them here

people say stands are good but vibration or movement can really slow down your day

that's the other reason I ended up going for the wall option

I don't need the cat rubbing itself on a stand and giving me motion sickness

and it sucks to recalibrate every time you use it

with the 13 KG tape I just used the existing wall bracket and stuck it to that. even though it just connects to the ridges it holds it VERY well

and I just check them every week

if you don't get a paint scraper you'll take a piece of wall off if you decide to move them though

that's how tight it holds

[mighty carbon]

oh those cats...

http://uploadvr.com/microsofts-new-windows-10-video-teases-another-vr-heaset-motion-controller/ << title sounds like a click-bait title

[dry fjord]

uploadvr spammed to me join their "group" for vr news

I was underwhelmed and unsubscribed

so yeah they're a big part clickbait

[sullen stirrup]

that controller looks uncomfy

[gilded sand]

when packaging a build for distribution on Steamworks, do I need to add anything/check off any boxes/set up anything special beyond what I normally would do to produce a Windows desktop build for testing?

[wicked oak]

nope

just make sure you dont have the .pak compression on

steamworks doesnt like that, becouse it increases your patch download size, a lot

[balmy creek]

Thanks a lot for all the info @dry fjord!

❤

I'm brand new to VR development, so it's all new to me still.

[gilded sand]

ok cool, i did use pak file, will change that, thanks

[dry fjord]

you're going to have a blast man

https://www.amazon.com/MightySkins-Protective-Vinyl-sticker-Reaper/dp/B01LZF7GXF/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1478119850&sr=8-7&keywords=vive+stands

this is the vive equivalent of a flames shirt

I need it

[jagged vale]

i'm curious as to what you guys sent in for the vive grants

so i know how long to spend on my game until sending in a preview

because.. sooner i get it the better

[dry fjord]

nothing

I bought one

the grant system seems to have stalled

[jagged vale]

$1800 from CL

[dry fjord]

the advice i had yesterday was to keep force-feeding epic community staff with your progress so they recognise you then have something that's immediately awesome. that gets grants.

[jagged vale]

that's more than my 1440p / 165hz IPS cost me 😦

[dry fjord]

$1600 straight from HTC

including shipping and duty

you will need to register as an importer to get it through customs though

so do that when you purchase

[jagged vale]

would you be constantly emailing them or updating on the forums somewhere?

[dry fjord]

twitter

[jagged vale]

ahh

i guess i have to finally twitter

[dry fjord]

@chance HEY LOOK AT MY THING TODAY CHANCEY BABY

yeah

twitter isn't bad

[jagged vale]

so it's chance i want not alex?

[dry fjord]

alex is fine too I imagine

I'm just passing on stuff I heard

they're both nice guys and will tolerate such bullshit

[jagged vale]

yeah i've had interactions with alex in the past

[balmy creek]

I got mine through the grant program.

Btw, I can confirm Chance and Alex (and Jess) are amazing people.

Worked and partied with them at GDC this year. They're so much fun, and so nice.

[jagged vale]

can i see what you showed them @balmy creek ?

[balmy creek]

Honestly, I just told them I wanted to dive into VR after being inspired by the devs I met at Steam Dev Days.

And that I wanted to stay competitive in the local consulting market. VR is huge in Portland.

[jagged vale]

hrmm

so pretty much if i show them what i already have and that i'm making a game focusing on VR it should suffice

i'll make a video introducing it etc

with some screenshots/txt

[balmy creek]

Yeah, I think so. 🙂

I assume you have a non-VR game you want to make for VR?

[jagged vale]

yeah

it's original concept is VR focused also

very early in development though

[last trail]

HeyNick

and vaei

Nick, are you familiar with Vive?

I assume you are, reading your earlier comments

[dry fjord]

he's just bought one

what are you trying to do?

[last trail]

I'm trying to build a simple room explorer map, but running the build, it's not recognizing the vive

[dry fjord]

did you check "Start in VR"?

in project settings?

[last trail]

yeah

[dry fjord]

ok

also add a console command in the level blueprint to run Stereo On

under beginplay

then make sure UE is all quit

and if it stilld oesn't work, reboot your machine

[last trail]

also inserted a console command 'Stereo On' in gamemode

ah, it needs to be in the level blueprint, not the gamemode?

[dry fjord]

not sure

would probably help

it's honestly an iffy thing

you have to try a lot of stuff

[last trail]

Couldn't hurt putting it in both I guess

[dry fjord]

yeah

[last trail]

Event BeginPlay > Console command, right?

[full junco]

just manually open the console and write stereo on and see if it works

[dry fjord]

yeah

you can do that too

if it doesn't work it may even be a steamvr problem

[full junco]

yeah

[dry fjord]

hence the reboot suggestion

it's worked for me in the past

[full junco]

I know that steamvr needs a restart here after pc resumes from sleep

[last trail]

I never let mine sleep

I just turn it off

ok

Now I just need a way to make sure it starts in VR, cause it'll be on a little expo, and the guy showing it isn't too tech savvy

[zenith charm]

Hey Guys, anyone playing with vehicles in VR and entering/exiting them? Think it would be a little odd to let the player know to have a chair in your play area and sit down each time, but also maybe werid to have you standing while in a car driving around.

[winged shale]

very good question, I'm working on addressing this myself. I don't know what the right answer is yet, but here are a few ideas I had to work around it:

1. make snap bounds: when the person is "sitting" in the 'chair' you do distance calculations each frame from acceptable head position and actual head position. have two distance thresholds: first is the place where it starts moving the VR Origin eeeevvver so slightly every frame (unnoticeable to player) towards a position where the HMD is within that distance, and then the distance where it just 'snaps' their VR Origin back to a position where the HMD center is at the acceptable head position

that way the user can move freely to look around the cockpit/vehicle seat, but when "buckled in" they can't go much farther than that. This way people can realign themselves down into their chair with no problem, wherever it is

refining it as I was typing it, I like it a lot more now that it's fleshed out

[dry fjord]

I've thought about that a lot

I wanted a way to identify and outline real world objects

either with known object positions or with kinect data or something

you at least need calibration though

taiku does something similar as his game is seated

[clever sky]

I was just going to tell the player to take off the headset momentarily and locate a chair and sit in it.

[clever sky]

Having played a few hours of obduction last night

where they've got their rail cart vehicle.

[dry fjord]

how is it still?

I didn't get very far in it, I am pretty high maintenance when it comes to VR

I need to try it again

[clever sky]

It's actually kinda ok to just stand in the chair.

stand up while using a virtual chair.

Do you have a Rift?

[dry fjord]

vive

as you well know 😉

[clever sky]

Ah well... I don't think the Vive is supported yet.

Well you could have both?

[dry fjord]

in obduction?

it definitely is

[clever sky]

Oh ok.

Well, it could be ok. I have ASW and all the graphics turned on. Looks bloody amazing.

As a game it's... a slow 90s puzzle game

from the guys behind Myst.

So... that's what it plays like.

But the game looks like CG. Mesmerizingly beautiful.

[dry fjord]

yeah

I know all about it, I played it 😉

I just didn't play it for long before getting bored

not being able to re-watch projections killed it for me too

I missed bits

[clever sky]

Yeah fair call.

I just used a guide to help me past awkward bits.

Because my attitude is; if I get stuck, I'm done - and if I'm done, then might as well see the rest of the pretties by cheating my way through!

[dry fjord]

hahaha

I don't cheat much

I like to solve things

that's the fun of it for me

but I preferred antichamber for example

[clever sky]

Yeah. So I balance it by using guides to get me past the bits that I can't figure out in a reasonable time.

Because it gets boring following guides exactly. But also boring getting stuck.

[dry fjord]

fair enough

[clever sky]

But really. The game should never be getting me stuck because I missed some stupid switch that changes the vehicles locomotion system

[dry fjord]

yeah I'm not sure obduction warrants a lot of time spent solving things

Cyan just are not the greatest game developers

[clever sky]

... I got stuck because there's a switch that goes from aiming the laser on the cart to moving the cart back and forth.

[dry fjord]

they just happened to make the right game at the right time

[clever sky]

Yeah... I think there's a place for that sort of thing (90s style adventure game). There's an obfuscatory charm to it.

But we're not absent of 20 years of game development, so they'll never recapture that context again.

90s game design is just seen as jank today by most people.

I mean... there's random shit scattered around that you can inspect. That does nothing!

[dry fjord]

that's not so good

[clever sky]

But it does remind me of nostalgia.

Oh look at this thing that floats up to your face when you inspect it and lets you turn it around like it's Kings Quest 7 or something.

[balmy creek]

Anyone know how much the Vive base stations weigh?

[zenith charm]

11 oz

[dry fjord]

plus cord tugs

[zenith charm]

Just weighted it, would say 13-15oz with the cord hanging/tug

[clever sky]

Does OSVR plan on integrating lighthouse tracking?

Or are we just going to have a growing galaxy of competing standards?

@winged shale I think these guys are doing something similar to your locomotion system: http://www.roadtovr.com/hands-on-lone-echo-multiplayer-is-a-totally-surprising-triumph-for-competitive-zero-g-locomotion/

Looks pretty damn cool.

Having tried the whole grabby thing in climbey and my own stuff, proprioceptive vection works amazingly well. Even after you've let go; your brain can buy into the fiction that its throwing that thing around.

[dry fjord]

that reminds me of Ender's Game

[clever sky]

It's a total ender's game crib.

Oh man.

[dry fjord]

that is exactly ender's game without guns

too roboty for my liking too

[clever sky]

I think casual nerds would totally lap up VR Quidditch.

As long as someone can figure out a good loco system for flying around like that.

[dry fjord]

they'd fall over and puke and shit themselves

FPS broomstick flight is the antithesis of good VR motion

[clever sky]

Maybe FOV restriction while in motion

[dry fjord]

mind you I do still want to see it happen

that'd kill the nature of quidditch

[clever sky]

True that.

Maybe

Maybe ok hear me out.

FOV restriction. But instead of just straight up black.

you get the chaperone bounds where it's blacking out

and you also get 'radar' elements of other players in the field.

So you're still aware of where everything is, you just don't get a rush of visual motion in your periphery.

... I could actually prototype something like that.

[dry fjord]

hmm

should try it!

do it as a post-process effect

with a velocity input

[clever sky]

Yeah.

Actually, I think VRTemplate changes settings that make alpha textures impossible.

Any idea how you'd do a FOV constriction (fades in from the sides) without an alpha texture?

Or just say screw it to the VRTemplate...

I don't need yo fancy optimizations!

Damn. /r/Oculus went full carebear 😛

They removed the downvote button.

[dry fjord]

just do a post-process material.....

use a custom vignette

[clever sky]

Yeah, I tried that. Vignette doesn't work in the VR template either.

[vital comet]

I want to see a mirror edge style game on ue4

VR

It would be cool

[clever sky]

@vital comet Gimme a couple million and I could deliver.

[vital comet]

k

[clever sky]

😄

[dry fjord]

that can't be

a custom vignette is just a gradient that you define in the post-process material

then you use that as a mask for whatever else you want to show, outlines, etc

it should be fairly fast

[fresh laurel]

@clever sky - Yep on OSVR and lighthouse

Intital work is on going

https://twitter.com/vk2zay/status/743949335201619971

[clever sky]

Ah cool

[fresh laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OSVR/

Ask there about Lighthouse and OSVR

[clever sky]

Is that official support?

[fresh laurel]

You will get an answer from the devs

@clever sky - Kinda

You will get a answer from the devs tho

The CEO of Sentics talks there allot

[clever sky]

Fair enough 😛

[dry fjord]

to be honest the future IS inside-out tracking

way easier to stick identifying stickers on the walls

[fresh laurel]

@dry fjord - Depends on how well it does

[clever sky]

Problem with inside out tracking is...

[dry fjord]

it's just that USB3 is kind of shit for video

[clever sky]

how do you track controllers?

[dry fjord]

well now, I haven't thought of that yet

[fresh laurel]

@clever sky - I do not know But microsoft has found a way

For hololens that is

[dry fjord]

maybe controllers get webcams too

[clever sky]

@fresh laurel I honestly don't think they have. They're using hand based tracking.

[fresh laurel]

Oh?

[clever sky]

for the hololens.

[dry fjord]

I guess a lot of the work has to be on the device

[clever sky]

And I assume the same for their VR stuff.

[fresh laurel]

I heard that there was a controller for the hololens

one sec

[dry fjord]

eh fuckit lighthouses all the way

[clever sky]

Ideally you'd get all the tracking

[dry fjord]

there is a rumoured controller for the hololens isn't there?

[clever sky]

Inside out, outside in - inside out for walkabouts and outside in for most functionality.

[fresh laurel]

yeah called "Clicker"

[clever sky]

Sounds like a non-tracked controller that's tracked when it comes into your FOV.

That's probably adequate for most use cases.

But terrible for mine!

Freedom of movement relies on sound ergonomics. Sound ergonomics doesn't involve holding your hands in front of the visible cone of tracking 😛

[fresh laurel]

What is your use case?

[dry fjord]

yeah controllers need to work out of view too

it's mandatory

this is why we should be using gloves

with electro-muscle stimulus

[clever sky]

@fresh laurel example is climbing - your hands are way out of view a lot of the time.

Like behind your head, or way under you.

under your face.

[fresh laurel]

Alright

[clever sky]

I don't think anything can really replace physical controllers for utility. It'll always feel better to hold controllers when say... holding a gun or a sword.

[pallid echo]

Its all about that Mixed Reality in the end. AR and VR will just end up joining together anyways.

[clever sky]

But with sufficiently advanced exoskeleton style gloves, you might get some interesting tactile possibilities in VR.

@pallid echo yeah pretty much.

Like... at what point does VR go to AR? Is it AR when I start to pull my coffee cup or keyboard into VR?

What if I use the black and white printed paper markers to mark their positions instead of using a captured image?

[dry fjord]

did I tell you guys I dreamed about physically interactive VR?

something will come. selective electronic nerve and muscle interference, some kind of field, something.

and not just because I dreamed it

but because we all dreamed it

[fresh laurel]

Elon musk was talking about that and saying people were working on it