virtual-reality

[pearl tangle]

should see how hot the s7's get when you run a Cardboard 1 with thermal throttling disabled 😉

[wintry escarp]

I just watched some daydream videos, thermals is what they kept going on about

they aim to reduce the phones cpu/gpu power to avoid throttling

[pearl tangle]

yeah thats still a form of throttling. but you can force it to ignore all throttling so that it runs at 100% non stop, regardless of temps

[wintry escarp]

anyone try that riftcat?

doesn tseem to work for me

could just be a bad choice of game

nah it doesn't do what I wanted, shame

it locks you to the stores, cant make your phone appear as a tethered VR headset

to unity/ue4

[granite jacinth]

Anyone thinking of doing a VR Entry for MegaJam?

[wintry escarp]

I don't even have a decent cardboard

I'm trying to use a 7" tablet in it

and old one

the voice people are talking about us ¬¬

[dry fjord]

you can hear them too?!

[wintry escarp]

can see them at the side, Lounge2

[pearl tangle]

my team would have been doing a vr entry for the megajam but have to be off site for a project now that entire week 😦

[granite jacinth]

😦

[mighty carbon]

does anyone get put off by playing PS4 or XB1 games?

After all, they are locked to respective stores/platforms

😱

🙄 I thought so

then why complain about Gear VR games locked to Oculus Store?!

[dry fjord]

because oculus is the devil

their store staff are over the top rude to customers

I'd sooner go steam

[mighty carbon]

well, Oculus might be rude (although I never experienced that), Steam's staff is just nowhere to be found

from customer's and developer's perspectives

btw, Oculus Store is what Steam used to be long time ago

[dry fjord]

yeah true

nah I don't think we can just explain away adversarial attitudes towards customers

[mighty carbon]

before it became all jolly and welcoming to all kind of games

[dry fjord]

on top of all the other things they've blighted for

[mighty carbon]

like what?

[dry fjord]

cancelling pre-orders

etc

there's a big list. I stopped following it.

[mighty carbon]

I am referring to Gear VR, not Rift

[dry fjord]

a lot of palmer luckey making fanciful promises

I'm talking about oculus in general

[mighty carbon]

why do you believe what execs say? 😃

[dry fjord]

they've left a bad taste in people's mouths

haha I don't

but it's there on the permanent record

these are the reasons I avoid their store

[mighty carbon]

well, sure, Palmer was optimistic. I was looking forward getting $350 Rift

but when they announced $600 one, I didn't go on barricades

just figured I'll buy it when I can

In my opinion all this stuff "Oculus is evil" is unfounded and made up. Just like making Facebook look evil.

Google is as evil as Facebook

for example

[dry fjord]

well it's all opinion. I did stress that

agreed, all large corporations are evil

[granite jacinth]

That depends on how much value you have on privacy I suppose @mighty carbon

If none, then, you wouldn't care.

[mighty carbon]

I just don't put stuff online 😃

[granite jacinth]

You do actually

Even you being on here ...

On the forums

[mighty carbon]

sure, but I don't care..

[granite jacinth]

Anyway, you leave more of a footprint than you realize

Exactly, you don't

But some people do

Which is where a lot of the beef comes from initially

[mighty carbon]

I don't do illicit things or promote illicit stuff

[granite jacinth]

Among other things such as closed-systems

[mighty carbon]

I think people who care so much about privacy have something unlawful to hide

if one doesn't splurge online about private life and still concerned with privacy, for sure something is up

[wintry escarp]

I don't have an xb1 and ive never owned any sony console

[granite jacinth]

Hmmm

I don't think it's that really

[wintry escarp]

i objected to their early adverts

holds a grudge

[mighty carbon]

as a developer, @wintry escarp , you can't afford to be political (in regards to platforms)

unless you are Tim Sweeney

😄

[dry fjord]

he's political for all of us

[wintry escarp]

early sony adverts were insulting, they basically said everyone playing games until now has been a sad pathetic loser....now be cool and play ps1

[dry fjord]

haha

they're not wrong

[mighty carbon]

lol

[dry fjord]

mad cuz bad

[mighty carbon]

and you took it to heart of course

[dry fjord]

etc

[wintry escarp]

i never had a console, i always used computers

[dry fjord]

they're just winding you up for attention

[wintry escarp]

but screw them anyway

[dry fjord]

that's quite a lot more nerdy

[wintry escarp]

also their consoles lasers kept failing

[mighty carbon]

I know PS3 lasers did - my brother's PS3 died untimely death within a few month

don't know about PS4

[wintry escarp]

i know people who had 3 or 4 ps2's, all because of dead lasers

[dry fjord]

painful

[mighty carbon]

ps2 is sooo yesterday.. Technology improved, so did customer service 😉

[wintry escarp]

i have a still working original x360

mostly because it was so noisy i hardly ever used it

[mighty carbon]

~4 hrs in and UE4 is still building ES2 for Android 🙄

I miss idTech 4 when it comes to deploying and building assets (and lighting) - the fastest engine in that department

[wintry escarp]

i don't see why ue4 lightmapper isn't gpu driven

its not as if you can do much while the cpus running 100% anyway

[mighty carbon]

I guess Epic doesn't like Oculus either :/ Instanced meshes are broken again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhK77I3ODOU

[granite jacinth]

@mighty carbon Have you done any game jams?

[mighty carbon]

nope

live too far from any place jams happen

[wintry escarp]

what do you do in this desert game?

[dry fjord]

you can do game jams online can't you?

like the UE ones?

[mighty carbon]

probably not.. I have very little time for game dev nowadays. Trying to turn things around to go back to being full time indie 😃

@wintry escarp just experiencing fictional desert.. Not a game.

[wintry escarp]

gnighty

[mighty carbon]

cya

[snow raft]

wait Tim Sweeney is political? wheres his selfie with his candidate of choice 😛

starts chanting Gabe Gabe Gabe

[granite jacinth]

https://twitter.com/walaber/status/775928222185730050

[empty sundial]

@snow raft Tim has some pretty vocal opinions about closed ecosystems, back in April(?) he butt heads with Microsoft a bit over UWP

http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/4/11159584/tim-sweeney-windows-10-monopoly-interview

(sorry for the polygon link)

Oh, that was March, not April

[pallid echo]

He's still butting heads on UWP

You don't hear as much about it but at some point you will again.

[neon egret]

Hopefully not because he was right

[sharp swan]

I love how loads of people rose up against Sweeney.... and all of them were game players and not devs. Sometimes I think gamers get exactly what they deserve :p

[dry fjord]

I didn't hear a peep from anyone siding with MS

might have just been a local circlejerk

those always sound bigger than they are

[sharp swan]

oh there is always all sides on youtube comments :p

[dry fjord]

oh fuck youtube

nothing good happens there

[sharp swan]

Aye. I saw a clone game of our game on youtube and left a comment but the owner deleted it. I figure he was flirting with me.

[dry fjord]

hahaha

[dusky moon]

Guys I developed some Standing/seated experiences with my Vive. the question is ... If I just run the build with an Oculus. am I going to see some un-expected bugs or framerate drops or etc ?!

[real needle]

@dusky moon What version?

[dusky moon]

4.12.5

[real needle]

And you use the node "Floor Level/Eye Level" somewhere?

[dusky moon]

Nope I didn't ... I also don't use controllers

[real needle]

I think it's "set tracking origin"

Set it to floor if you want the floor to be aligned VR vs RL

[dusky moon]

Aha yes ... So the only problem that may occur is the tracking origin ?!

[real needle]

Yeah

[dusky moon]

phew

[real needle]

THere might be some oddities depending on what you're doing (moving the player etc) but other than that it should work just fine (make sure oculus plugin is enabled)

[dusky moon]

Cool ... I thought there might be some differences in framrates and stuff

[real needle]

It was ridiculous how easy it was to port The Nest to Touch, basically that node and a check to do some input remapping

The Rift generally looks like it runs better beacuse of timewarp

[dusky moon]

hmmmm what is that ?! 😄

[real needle]

Google, it's carmack-sauce

If anyone wants me to beat the next level I'm on in Raw Data, let me know. I've tried three times and I can't do it.

Err, I meant if anyone wants to help me

[dusky moon]

Wow great, Carmack is a sorcerer

And just to mention ! every1 should try the New epic update of Space pirate trainer

been waitin for it for ages

[neat cape]

I read about the update, maybe I should play that again. Been playing a lot of Raw Data and Chair in a Room lately

[dusky moon]

the greatest part of the update is it's Party Mode ! 😄

[neat cape]

I like the addition of powerups

[dusky moon]

generally I really love how they design their game. It's really hard to notice design issues with them

[real needle]

I should probably try it as well then, didn't know there had been an update. I've been so busy for the past 4 months because of the nest that I've logged less than 2 hours in other games...

[dusky moon]

you haven't missed the update .. it just came yesteday !

[neat cape]

oh right, the sniper game right?

[real needle]

Yeah 😃

[neat cape]

BF bought it a while ago, only managed to play a few minutes of it :(

hover junkers received a couple of updates aswell, there are 6 new weapons, another 2 dropping this week

[real needle]

Oooh I'd def like to play some more of that. Although I have to say I prefer Raw Data I think, mainly because shooting from a moving platform is quite difficult

I guess if you have one player steering and the other focusing on shooting it could be fun

[neat cape]

raw data feels better because of more thought out mechanics, but hover junkers is still jolly good fun PvP

[real needle]

I'm working on a locomotion system for one of our mp classes, it's novel and so far we have good reception on motion sickness

[neat cape]

yeah I played hover junkers with a buddy on my ship, it's fun, but you have to be careful not to blast your buddy in the face with your shotgun

[real needle]

lol

[neat cape]

co-worker is working on a new locomotion system too atm

well he's mostly throwing stuff at the wall and sees what sticks

[sharp swan]

I would love to see a good locomotion with controllers but I haven't yet. Point and click to move is an immersion breaker for me.

[real needle]

@sharp swan Indeed, which is why I designed an input free method

Raw Data's "dash" works really well in small areas I think, but it's still confusing when you need to move in a bigger space

[hard light]

in Fable: the Journey, before it became a rails shooter we tried a few locomotion systems. One that worked well for the game had you moving when your hands were down, moving slowly when one hand was up, and stopping when both hands are up - this worked because the spell casting system required full-arm gestures, so it made some sense

this wouldn't work for all games, of course

[neat cape]

H3 has a decent locomotion with the menu button - gaze teleportation

[hard light]

just in the context of this particular game

[real needle]

@hard light That's very similar to one of the modes I have

I've noticed that physical motion helps reduce nausea

It's sort of like the mind accepts the constant velocity from the initial acceleration, wether it's hands or body

I can also have you move independently from your hands/head rotation, which is awesome because you can walk backwards and shoot

Whenever I stop playing though my body expects me to be able to just sliiide

[neat cape]

windlands has that problem that after you get used to it and take the HMD off you feel disoriented

[wicked oak]

im with fantasyfall with the oculus carmacksauce being impressive

[real needle]

@wicked oak They do POSITIONAL timewarp now which I can barely fathom

Rotational is one thing

[wicked oak]

its positional and rotational, in asynchronous

with the help of nvidia and ati for the gpu side

[real needle]

Y I just meant they also do positional now

[wicked oak]

vive does nothing

they dont timewarp at all

[real needle]

No, which is the future

TImewarp costs performance

[neat cape]

doesn't oculus use visual tracking?

[real needle]

@neat cape Yes

[wicked oak]

and yet, the vive just takes 2.5 miliseconds of your frame as buffer for reasons

2.5 out of a 11 ms frame

have you tried the nvidia branch, @real needle ?

for MultiRes

[real needle]

@wicked oak No I don't like deriving too far off from default because of all the new features

[wicked oak]

leaves poor AMD in the dust, as a 970 with multires gets more performance than the strongest ati gpu

[real needle]

I know it will get pushed into the default branch eventually for VR

[wicked oak]

its already default

but on PSVR only

for pc not yet

but that build is being used by most of the steam vr games right now

[real needle]

Good to know! That makes me less nervous about that port

[wicked oak]

40-50% free extra performance is incredible

you can try it on my VRMultigames game. I have a toggle for it

[real needle]

What do you mean with most of the steamvr games? The multires build?

[wicked oak]

yeah, the UE4 games on steam are porting to that multires build

like Raw Data

or that Pool Nation game

[real needle]

Yeah Pool Nation I knew, I met one of them recently

I needed 4.13 for VOIP to not be broken

[wicked oak]

raw data was one of the first

[dry fjord]

my vive is STILL STUCK IN CUSTOMS

I hope they're having a GOOD TIME WITH IT

[wicked oak]

if not the first to do it

[real needle]

@dry fjord 😦

[wicked oak]

but they are sponsored by nvidia

[neat cape]

inb4 customs is playing raw data with @dry fjords vive

[dry fjord]

too late, already happening

[real needle]

well they should be able to play with me then

[wicked oak]

amd better step up, nvidia is right now so much better than amd for VR

due to this optimizations

[shell karma]

sup everyone, got a question. Has anyone come up with free fly mechanic for vive (including steering from HMD/controllers)

[wicked oak]

there was talk that amd was better becouse they could do async timewarp bettr

[real needle]

@wicked oak We don't even have an AMD gpu to test on

[wicked oak]

but then nvidia added async timewarp on the driver level

[dry fjord]

I would do a superman flight gesture to fly

[wicked oak]

so no problem there

[neat cape]

@shell karma something like lucid trips?

[dry fjord]

and reorient the world

[wicked oak]

i dont have AMD gpu either

i was worried with that using the nvidia build

but i put it live

and havent received a single complain

so i guess its fine

[real needle]

@wicked oak What's your game?

[wicked oak]

http://store.steampowered.com//app/500360

[shell karma]

@neat cape yes sir

[wicked oak]

better than plenty of those 4-5 dollar games, for free

i released it to get oculus to notice me and to do experiments

has 25.000 owners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psdtP4Svj5Q

gameplay video of one of the minigames

[neat cape]

I see that shootergame map :P

[shell karma]

@neat cape I've done very basic set up where I base my direction on controllers forward vector, add momentum when z axis is negative etc

[dry fjord]

that's cool

[wicked oak]

what shootergame map?

[shell karma]

however it doesn't feel right

[wicked oak]

100% self made map yo

😛

[neat cape]

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/500360/ss_c9cc76ad1a5460b0928bc8e270d5f59e62bbadab.jpg?t=1469433589

[wicked oak]

yeah i slapped shootergame sanctuary on it

[neat cape]

I knew it :P

[wicked oak]

i made the bow myself, and the gun and lightsaber and drones in the lightsaber minigame

[neat cape]

that looked familiar

[wicked oak]

lightsaber was ~15 mins more or less, gun was couple hours, bow was 20 mins

the bow game was static at first

more like the The Lab one

but some of the early playtesters were like "would be cool if you could move"

[dry fjord]

someone needs to make tenchu in VR

[wicked oak]

and "would be cool if you let people smack the robots with the bow"

[dry fjord]

you just grapple around

[neat cape]

@shell karma it's hard to get that right, but how do you manage intertia and mass, does it feel floaty or heavy?

[shell karma]

floaty I'd say

[neat cape]

I kinda want a stealth thief game, think budget cuts but as a thief in medieval times

[south summit]

has anyone here tried oculus touch?

[shell karma]

basicaly I want player to fly through landscape/cities etc

I'm trying to replicate landscape mountains logic onto it

will see how it goes

[neat cape]

I heard people having complaints about the oculus touch that it looses tracking if you move them fast

[south summit]

that's unfortunate if true

[dry fjord]

but not unexpected

[south summit]

2 gigadollars

[dry fjord]

is that the actual street price of the touch controllers?

[south summit]

that's the price of oculus as a company

[dry fjord]

you missed "owned by facebook" at the end there

[wicked oak]

@neat cape that is false

tracking is quite solid

[real needle]

yes I have to agree

[south summit]

good to hear, don't want the only other popular vr controller to be shit

[dry fjord]

to a degree they're slowing the industry down

I found it interesting that they basically threw out all of their early work after a visit to valve too

it's like they were handed the blueprints and someone said "it'd sure be nice if we had a competitor to stimulate the market..."

[real needle]

The people who were having those meetings just wanted VR to succeed

[south summit]

interesting, will chinese hmds be cheaper but just as good?

they are really stepping up their consumer electronics game recently

[dry fjord]

quite a lot of what they sell is just as good as what we have because it violates all kinds of patents

but they're often only sold domestically

[wintry escarp]

so people should wait for a proper working touch2, or will it be a software fix

[dry fjord]

according to vblanco there's no problem there

could be hearsay

[real needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaUtH87hBAE&app=desktop

[wicked oak]

what the actual....

awesome for arcade

[dry fjord]

I would love to have one of those

need a version that is a chair

[wicked oak]

ive thought if i should speak with local arcades abut buzinezz and sell them custom VR games

[dry fjord]

does it do force feedback?

[sharp swan]

@wicked oak : we have a deal with a Chinese company to put our game into arcade VR machines. Full 360 rotating chair thing. It's something very much in demand over there right now.

[dry fjord]

what's your game?

[sharp swan]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/433190/

[wicked oak]

cool

[dry fjord]

that is super cool

what are the controls like?

flight sim complicated or arcade?

[sharp swan]

arcade. setup for xbox pad and pretty much every joystick you can find

[dry fjord]

I have a Rhino x-55

got that one covered?

I really want something good to use it with apart from DCS world

I don't care if it doesn't use most of the buttons

[sharp swan]

well the code is there to support it. I just made some custom navigation improvements for UMG so joysticks work but we need a config entry to set things like nav left, click widget button etc

[dry fjord]

mean

[sharp swan]

I've only tested personally with Saitek Thrustmasters and a hotas but we support direct input, SDL and xinput so it's pretty much all the bases covered unless you want some retro joystick from pre-dx days

[spring wolf]

my X52 Pro sits neglected in my closet 😦 (used to play Elite Dangerous a bunch)

should fire that up again someday 😄

[sharp swan]

yeah thats the one I been using. Still not sure why its a Pro though. Its identical to the X52 from what I can see 😄

[spring wolf]

yeah not sure what the pro differences are

they look slightly diff but same buttons etc afaik

[mighty carbon]

has anyone experienced this issue https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/488041/gear-vr-instanced-static-meshes-are-broken-with-es.html ?

[wintry escarp]

possibly silly question but how do you fake head movement in the editor? when you just want to check something?

surely you don't hack to deploy it every time

have to...

[mighty carbon]

with mouse 😃

I deploy when I need to check something rendering related or Oculus SDK related. Otherwise I test in PIE

[spring pond]

I don't deploy I just PIE?

and i pick up the headset and just point it where i want to look

or i press simulate if if doesn't require interaction

[wintry escarp]

if I include starter content on an empty project ue4 will insist on baking it all when I switch android wont it

switch to android

[dry fjord]

apparently my vive arrives today

[dry fjord]

what do you guys do with the tether during room scale? is it worth mounting it on an arm on the ceiling?

[wintry escarp]

nah, they just get strangled and trip over

[dry fjord]

it's all part of the experience?

the lightstands I just ordered can also come with a boom

I wonder if it'd be solid enough to hold the tether out of the way

and not fall on me, causing me to shit my pants and have a fully immersive experience

[wintry escarp]

did movement controls change between 4.10 and 4.13 ?

4.10 project goes fubar when updated to 4.13

[granite jacinth]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/281414/Following_Valves_lead_Oculus_is_adding_a_VR_boundary_system_for_Touch.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

^ already talked about?

[dry fjord]

first i've seen of it

I was planning to do a little something like that too

didn't realise it was an existing feature

"12:52 pm On FedEx vehicle for delivery AUCKLAND AIRPORT NZ" go Vive go

[marble trail]

Hi folks. I'm working on a VR archviz scene in UE4.13. My scene looks fuzzier / lower res than I'd like in the rift. Does anyone know if there are settings I can tweak (in some of the engine config .ini files?) to bump up the resolution or clarity in VR?

[dry fjord]

a screenshot would help

you can do things like supersampling or DSR on nvidia cards

[marble trail]

Hey again @dry fjord I can get a screenshot of the mirror window, but things mostly look fine on the desktop, it's just in VR they look fuzzy / murky :/

[wintry escarp]

the rift is just much lower res than desktop

[marble trail]

In my head I'm comparing the experience to e.g. the Unreal showdown demo (which I know used a custom renderer), or some other demos I've seen with UE4.

@wintry escarp ^

[dry fjord]

hmm

it's gotta be settings tbh

this is on the gear vr right?

wait sorry you said rift

[marble trail]

Yeah rift - I'm looking at the ini settings on https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Platforms/VR/ContentSetup/ and http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/LeszekGodlewski/20160721/272886/The_Vanishing_of_Milliseconds_Optimizing_the_UE4_renderer_for_Ethan_Carter_VR.php and http://www.tomlooman.com/getting-started-with-vr/

Will report back

[wintry escarp]

that's not a rift or gearvr, what is it?

[dry fjord]

that thumbnail is the original rift concept

notice no top strap

so definitely not a thing anyone made

and actually tried on

[young urchin]

Hey all - I'm calculating scaled player height using the player eye ZPos / HMD ZPos -- What's the best way to apply this scale to the mesh & motion controller components? Thanks!

(vive)

I assume I should be changing the world scale on something but everything I've tried so far throws hmd/controller z movement way out of wack

[dry fjord]

fedex have failed me and not even attempted delivery before marking the vive as undeliverable

I should go to their depot

rough up a few of them

get my package

[dry fjord]

so I had to chase him and meet him somewhere

but success

[snow raft]

hi vive, I mean high five 😛

[dry fjord]

VIVEHIVE

[snow raft]

resistance is futile

[empty sundial]

@dry fjord you get used to the cord really fast, mounting it is a poor idea

the most annoying thing is it tends to coil, which requires you to tug it unless you have someone assisting

[snow raft]

http://qz.com/779931/skinterfaces-new-high-tech-suit-lets-you-feel-things-in-virtual-reality/ you guys see this madness?

sounds similar to what USAF was developing for fighter pilots, they needed a suit to help pilots know their rotation and elevation because when you red out you can still control the plane

[dry fjord]

mean

[neat cape]

antidamage - Today at 2:12 AM
what do you guys do with the tether during room scale? is it worth mounting it on an arm on the ceiling?(edited)

the cable? we just let it run on the floor, people usually don't run around, thus they don't really trip over the cable

and you'll get used to the cable pretty quickly. even coiling shouldn't be an issue in most games (some didn't think about it and have you spinning in circles)

[snow raft]

the cable doesnt have any anti-twist mechanism anyway does it?

you turn around enough it'll still curl up even if it is mounted on an armature of some description

[neat cape]

it's simply a 2 cm wide cable, but we haven't had any major problems with coiling, every now and then you just have to spin cw/ccw a few times to uncoil it, but that rarely happens

[sturdy coral]

anyone have word on when the vrworks branch will be updated to 4.13?

[snow raft]

yeah trouble with anti-twist is it can create a weak point, you have to make sure all the connections are solid at every angle its pretty tricky to do well, would cost abit but it could be mounted to the back of the headpiece or an armature rather than on the loose cable

I hope this new wireless LiFi thing theyre working on really is as great as they say it could help transmit high quality video/audio without the need for cables

lets hope it doesnt suffer from brain meltyness

Laboratory tests have shown theoretical speeds of over 200 gbps — fast enough to "download the equivalent of 23 DVDs in one second", founder and head of Oledcomm Suat Topsu said.

should be fast enough when it gets there 😃

[pearl tangle]

i have an event starting next week with physical props in the space with a vive so its coming from the roof

was doing some experimenting with counter weights and pulleys to zero out the weight of the headset and cable and keep the cord at the right length

got some stuff going ok but easier solution was just to tell the people managing the event to pull down on 1 side as they walk closer. just using a couple of hooks on the roof

[neat cape]

I think it's easier if the cable is just going straight to the floor instead of being suspended, the chances of you hitting the cable with your controler/arms is way lower than if it's dangling around

[pearl tangle]

they dont have a controller but they do have things existing in the environment that they can catch the cord on and yank the headset out and they can also easily sit on it

doesn't work on the floor in this instance

[neat cape]

especially if you're playing games that require fast movement it can be a problem.

[pearl tangle]

the twisting of the cable is usually the biggest problem since you are often turning in the same direction

especially running an event where everybody is doing a similar thing

[snow raft]

self retracting cable could help but you dont want it to tug too much on the users head

[pearl tangle]

yeah its zeroing out the weight with next to no friction thats the trick

[snow raft]

counter weights is a good idea though, especially just for the headset itself so its not as front end heavy, I guess having the cable hanging down does that alittle bit

[pearl tangle]

a counter weight with a block and tackle did the trick but easier to have a failure

nah counter weight on the cable, so its working like an elevator to cancel out the weight on the cable and self retract without actually pulling on the persons head

[snow raft]

you could just suspend the user via wires XD

[pearl tangle]

would also be fun

just need to get clients to start paying a lot more

[snow raft]

then you could throw em around and get a few g's going

[acoustic breach]

there are pictures of a newer 3in1 cable thats more compact

http://www.roadtovr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/vive-3-in-1-cable-thin.jpg

but that one still seem not be be "offically released"

some people only get it trough RMA

[snow raft]

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/tourbillon-2.jpg lol a rig somethin like this http://www.kirkseyamusements.com/media/rides/orbitron/spin_ride-1.jpg or this, need abit more room for lateral motion but making a rig to fit all scenarios is tricky because you still cant really walk in this

I think the peripherals will stay rather purpose built for some time, it just makes sense to use a steering wheel if thats what you need or a joy stick etc

that was a design issue I was hitting like 15yrs ago lol

[pearl tangle]

those cables do look better but it wont really solve any issues since it will still tangle itself

[snow raft]

its not exactly hard to weld up an aluminium frame, mainly just the space to keep the rigs youd need which makes it more viable for arcade scenarios vs home entertainment. Id love to see arcades on the come back tbh

[sharp swan]

you can buy rotating seated units from specialised places that you can hook up whatever tech you like but they are pretty expensive per unit.

[snow raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH3Ur7xhMGw

this game is hilarious when you get a heap of drunk people on it 😛

[sharp swan]

i've had a play on that. it's pretty tiring

I had plans for a VR motorbike game (on hold right now because commitments) so I prototyped the motorbike and made a spline tool to build real life roads in real world scale. I did plan for it to end up in an arcade on a motorbike unit you can lean with.

[snow raft]

yeah its not something you can play for hours, tend to hop around the arcade to different machines. Motorbike ones are pretty fun, tried offroad and GP ones, fairly easy inputs

[sharp swan]

the IOM TT races one springs to mind because it kind of twisted as you leaned, making it easier to get over. That game rocked.

[snow raft]

ahh yeah I think I know the one, if you twisted too much youd spin out

[sharp swan]

https://www.homeleisuredirect.com/arcade_machines/driving-arcade-machines/manx-tt-super-bike-twin-refurbished.html

[snow raft]

just seems to be like people are enjoying these social game events in part because of the lack of arcades compared to what there used to be, atleast here in Australia they are kinda rare, VR could help to bring it back and lower costs abit since youre not buying big bulky expensive screens

[wicked oak]

i wonder how will those arcades near where i live react if i go there to sell them VR boxes

[snow raft]

Im just getting the vibe that the social aspect is helping VR and for the better setups its more in the price range of arcade than home users especially if you want a range of peripherals. Some people can afford it though, they have like full racing setups etc

would make it far more accessible and mainstream

if you had a bike rig it doesnt have to be limited to a single game anymore, I think thats a good sell, then the peripherals get better and last longer than just being used for 1 game like the old boxes

[wicked oak]

i was actually thinking more of a shooter like space pirate trainer

with actual plastic guns attached to the vr controllers

[pearl tangle]

the vive stuff are a lot more fun when you have a group of people around. thats why Epic really need to hurry up with the mixed reality setup for unreal, makes ahuge difference

[wicked oak]

and what PC can do that?

on Ue4 games?

[pearl tangle]

the first session from Valve on the lighthouse system was this week so some people will start getting to make stuff with them

[wicked oak]

you "can" do mixed reality with multiplayer

[wintry falcon]

isn't it already possible to have a setup where e.g. one player in the VIVE and another player on the PC?

[wicked oak]

but then your game needs to be multiplayer

at least you can make the vive version the listen server wich simplifies stuff

but still

[wintry falcon]

No, i mean like a local multiplayer. Without server.

[wicked oak]

nope

[wintry falcon]

where the player in the VIVE controls to VR pawn and the player on the PC (with keyboard&mouse or gamepad) controls a typical default pawn

[wicked oak]

good luck

ive been unable to run the game 2 times on the same pc on the vive

testing mp is ridiculously hard

ive settled on "emulating" vr without doing VR

like mouselook for head rotation, and the hands doing some code animations depending on keys

to check if they get replicated

[wintry falcon]

they're doing a game with this setup: https://teampanoptes.itch.io/panoptes

Where the VIVE player controls the mask and the player on PC needs to get to a point without the VR player finding him.

They used Unity for this, but I don't see why it shouldn't be possible in Unreal as well. Gotta try it sometime..

[dry fjord]

I was thinking of doing a super complicated mech sim where a DKII player is in engineering and the vive player has control of the arms and combat

but it sounds like it'd punish the DKII owner for choosing oculus

[wicked oak]

i have a very basic prototype of a mech game with motion controllers

the mech uses IK to follow the hand location

so you can punch

and the mech follows it

of course, slower, so punching wildly will be useless

[dry fjord]

nifty

[wicked oak]

i scrapped becouse i wasnt sure what to do with that

[dry fjord]

it's a common theme, not sure where the actual game is in all of these mech ideas though

[wicked oak]

movement used the pads

[dry fjord]

exactly

[pearl tangle]

that functionality is built into steamvr for the unity plugin

it's not in unreal yet

was meant to be in 4.13 but its not there annoyingly.

im doing a big projection mapping mixed reality view next week and we have to do it all through multiplayer style so need a second machine

[snow raft]

yeah input latency can be a killer, hopefully the tech will get better and eventually we will be able to control mechs via telepresence 😛

who hasnt wanted to over hand right a tank lol

[dry fjord]

hot damn the vive is good

controllers went flat almost straight away though

before the end of the tutorial

hmm how do I start it again?

found it

[pearl tangle]

hah yeah its good fun

plug them into a proper wall charger and they charge up within an hour

[dry fjord]

it's fun until it craps out again

controllers weren't flat

the tracking is broken, it almost spun me upside down

the controllers aren't tracking to where they really are either, one is worse than the other

the HMD was all over the place too

the base stations are both green

I think the weight of the cord moved one of them

I had it just sitting there

that'd be it

well, there is no way the base stations are moving

they're stuck down with 13kg 3m tape

still fucking out

the view actually goes grey like I'd left the play area

maybe it's the lights

oh

there's fucking mirrors all around me

huge ones

good thing they're not attached to the walls

[neat cape]

basestations use IR, which gets reflected

we have a reflective glass cupboard in the room where the vive is, we usually cover it with cloth

[dry fjord]

yeah covering the mirrors fixed it

still fucks out from time to time but not as badly

when the stands arrive that'll improve

trying to pair my phone but it can't find it

ah well

did anyone else try to eat the gun in the nvidia fair thing?

turns out you can't log out that way

[hard light]

here in the office, the motion sensors for the lights also fuck with the tracking

it's very annoying

[neat cape]

in VR Funhouse, during the liquid shooting demonstration there's a hidden easteregg :P

[neon egret]

If you ever lose track while looking at a lighthouse or you controllers glitching when they are only visible by one of the bases, check if the red light for vertical and also for horizontal is still on :P

Just a heads up, so you don't run around covering tons of stuff cause of reflections

[spring wolf]

hmm, what's the red light for those? not sure i've ever seen that

[neon egret]

If you look at the lighthosue, you see a lot of red lights

Right and to the bottom of these, there is one light each

They indicate the vertical and horizontal tracking. If one is out, you have a broken lighthouse

[spring wolf]

ah

so far nothing has broken for me, baring SteamVR/etc being incredibly unstable

[neon egret]

A lot of red* lights

Typo

Yeah i got one lighthouse down atm

Got 2 others from the second vive so I'm still fine. Need to send it in though

[spring wolf]

had the headset go completely gray last night shortly after starting a game, apparently steam crashed again 😐

[neon egret]

Hmpf

That barely happens to me

[spring wolf]

it's random for me, like some days it's fine other days it's like super ornery

[neon egret]

I only got frame problems cause pc is "only" using a 970

Depends on the game of course

Hm, steamvr hm

[spring wolf]

often same games i'm doing too

[dry fjord]

I was expecting VR to be pretty good, but holy fuck it's amazing

[spring wolf]

haven't gotten any logic out of it

[dry fjord]

the DK2 is nothing next to the vive

I had that grey view thing a lot tonight

sometimes it recovered

other times I had to reload steam

[neon egret]

Then really check your lighthouses

[dry fjord]

I did

[neon egret]

Just to make sure

Ok

[dry fjord]

the first time one wasn't bolted down

so I 3med it

[spring wolf]

yeah i've had it happen where tracking just hiccuped but last night it happened once where it was steam bombing out

[dry fjord]

turns out they don't like wall mirrors 😄

[spring wolf]

ha

[dry fjord]

so I covered those up

[spring wolf]

i mostly just have bad tracking in one corner

right near pc, heh

[dry fjord]

haha

[neon egret]

Ah, yeah, got a mirror too, but not in thr playarea

[dry fjord]

yeah any IR is gonna interfere with it

if it can see you in the mirror you're automatically out of bounds

[spring wolf]

near pc & under one station

[neon egret]

So, if you open the drop down of steamvr

[dry fjord]

I guess my setup will improve when the stands arrive

[neon egret]

And go to options

Scroll down

And can find a button called something like "show room setup"

[dry fjord]

Room overview?

[neon egret]

Where you can see what the lighthouses actually see

[dry fjord]

oh neat

[neon egret]

Yeah

[spring wolf]

yeah that was helpful last i looked

[neon egret]

It's 2d from top

[spring wolf]

i think i tweaked my aim on them

[neon egret]

But you can see id the whole area is visvle

[dry fjord]

so it's actually good to have your lighthouses in the corners and back from the play area if possible

[neon egret]

I was stupid and put one base at a wall so that one corner is only visible by one base

[dry fjord]

I have mine at the ends, just for now, have to

[neon egret]

Means if i stand in that corner and turn my back to the one that sees the corner, i loose contorller track

[dry fjord]

what are the narrow cones for in the middle?

[neon egret]

No idea

[dry fjord]

apparently I'm using a small space

maybe I'll just take over the rest of the lounge

nobody's gonna mind after they try it

so that tether is annoying. has anyone boomed it or hooked it to the ceiling?

[spring wolf]

i think i've read of it but heard mixed opinions on that being good idea or not

[dry fjord]

I had to go barefeet so I didn't stand on the cable

[spring wolf]

i've grown to be aware of it, but occasionally sometimes step on it and yank on my head :/

ah yeah i'm usually barefoot 😛

or socks

[dry fjord]

I may have punched an ornament too

the controllers need handguards

I slightly lied about my play area 😄

[spring wolf]

i punched the ceiling last night trying to reach something in Goblins & Gnome preview lol

actually tried jumping up to grab it, oops

[dry fjord]

so like, holy fuck gladis is HUGE

I had no idea

[spring wolf]

hahaha

😄

[dry fjord]

that was the BEST moment

[spring wolf]

you do theBlu yet?

[dry fjord]

not yet

the echoes of her voice...

[spring wolf]

that's one of my fav experiences too

[dry fjord]

it';s like someone had that in mind all along but it took VR to get it there

I will give it a burl

what else. space pirates? amazing

[neon egret]

I have 2.3 by 2.3 meters

[dry fjord]

soundscape is great but I made it sound like a dying cat

[wintry escarp]

does the vive include headset/mic ?

[dry fjord]

that's not bad

[neon egret]

Worked for everything by now

[spring wolf]

yeah space pirate trainer is quite fun. i also like Holopoint which I find a good workout too 😄

[neon egret]

Vive has a microphone build in

And comes with inear headphones

[dry fjord]

I couldn't buy games in the vive. kept having errors. had to do it on desktop

[spring wolf]

weird

i think i've done that before without issue

[dry fjord]

oh it came with headphones? I use my own

earphones rather

[neon egret]

We all need to play RecRoom together peeps

[spring wolf]

yeah they're nothing special

yeah i still haven't tried that 😄

[dry fjord]

yes we should

I am shattered though, it's 1am

[spring wolf]

it's 9am here, working 😦

[neon egret]

I'm not available till October :P

[dry fjord]

need to get UE vr editor going tomorrow

why october?

[neon egret]

Currently on vacation and the Hamburg VR GameJam

[dry fjord]

ah nice

cool!

[spring wolf]

nice

[dry fjord]

well

this has cracked my wow addiction instantly

bye wow

[spring wolf]

lol

i've been playing wow lately, Legion has been pretty good 😄

[neon egret]

I preordered with a friend

[dry fjord]

legion is great, but I suddenly don't feel any need to get into it

[neon egret]

Leveled to 110,he had 0 time cause a new girl comsumes him and while he plays it, he doesn't join me

So i canceled the subscription

[dry fjord]

aww

fair enough

come back to it later

[neon egret]

I will

[spring wolf]

my gf still plays heavily

[neon egret]

Iwant to tank the raids

[dry fjord]

DH tanks are amazing

I levelled as vengeance

pull the entire zone and go to town on them

I've just gotten to the "do 30 world quests" part and it's cool but I think this is where my interest starts to fall off, the grind is back

is steam the best way to install DCS World still?

[mighty carbon]

hi o/

[dry fjord]

hey!

[neon egret]

Hey

[spring wolf]

apparently my space is 3.1m x 2.6m

my pc sits in lower right corner. http://bpxl.io/16g6z/JvZX5gze

[neon egret]

@antidamage#2678 i hate grinding etc. I want to kill the bosses and have some good encounters

Hope they aren't too "casual"

@jfro#6459 Is 3.1 meter still working?

[wintry escarp]

the worlds smallest picture

[neon egret]

I read the vive should stay below 3meters to not lose tracking

[spring wolf]

you mean how far apart the stations can be or something else?

or height? they're above my head

[dry fjord]

you know how doing even normal dungeons can result in a random mythic upgrade?

I think that's where the repetition is this time around. dungeons.

it's super unlikely to get one, more likely to get a smaller upgrade

[neon egret]

I mean edge length

Stations were like ~5m max

Then people found problems

[dry fjord]

ah really?

[neon egret]

In that window you have there, you can click and drag

Do get a ruler

[spring wolf]

i know they say don't put them farther than 16' or something but i think that's for sync

[neon egret]

See how far they are away

[dry fjord]

I'm 3.4 x 2.3

[neon egret]

Whaaaaaat

That's huge

[dry fjord]

didn't realise

I thought it just made all the play spaces the same size as your boundary

I guess I don't need more lounge

the stations def need to be moved to the corners

[spring wolf]

my room is ~ 12' x 12'

[neat cape]

we have 3.5x1.8

[spring wolf]

3.6m x 3.6m if i could use it all

but desk etc 😛

[neat cape]

yo @dry fjord we have to play hoverjunkers or raw data together :P

[dry fjord]

really needs a warehouse

so you don;'t have walls

yeah man keen

are most VR games multiplayer? that must be amazing

I've only done the lab and a couple of others so far

[neat cape]

once valve adds support for more than 2 lighthouse stations, fuck yeah....

[spring wolf]

one of the penny arcade guys uses their garage i think which if you can, is some good space

[dry fjord]

what are they waiting for?

[neon egret]

Not all

[dry fjord]

my garage is full of unfinished classic offroader

[neon egret]

Raw Data is coop

2 players

[neat cape]

some vr games have mp

[dry fjord]

lemme grab it

[neon egret]

And RecRoom is MP

[spring wolf]

i still haven't tried the MP modes in any games that hav eit

[neon egret]

With loads of players

[dry fjord]

I'm gonna crash after that though, it has been a long day

[spring wolf]

friend said he'd do hover junkers, yet to happen

[neat cape]

hover junkers is mp + coop, raw data is 2 player, rec room is mp.... uhhh lemme see

[neon egret]

Rec Room is free

[dry fjord]

I think I saw a video of rec room

[neon egret]

Just grab it and go. It's not singleplayer

[dry fjord]

does it have a maze?

[neat cape]

rec room is free

[neon egret]

Don't know, haven't seen all

But it has paintball

[neat cape]

yeah

let me get on the VR pc and check the steam library :D

[neon egret]

You create your own appearance in the first room and then go into the lobby where other players are

You can throw some frisbees etc, play table tennis

[neat cape]

aka turn around and walk 2 meters

[dry fjord]

yeah that's the one I watched a video of

[neon egret]

And then go to the games that are doors in the lobby

[wintry escarp]

they need to be careful

[neon egret]

It's fun and i spend 2 hours in it just playing recroom, camping on top of a farm

[dry fjord]

shit $50 for raw data

I better wait a pay cycle for that one

it literally costs as much as mobile data here

is that how it gets its name?

[wintry escarp]

if vive turns out to only be usable with a ton of station then the real price for it shoots up

[neat cape]

pool nation vr is also neat

[dry fjord]

neat

[spring wolf]

oh yeah that's multi

[neon egret]

Yop, i played it once, screamed like a girl when a bot got me from the back (RawData)

[dry fjord]

vive is absolyutely fine with two so far

[spring wolf]

i have pool nation, raw data, hoverjunkers, rec room for mp that i know of

[dry fjord]

three might just make it perfect

[neat cape]

raw data is awesome, but fuck those crawling bots

[neon egret]

Yes...

[spring wolf]

i still gotta play more of that

[dry fjord]

hover junkers is another pricey one. I'll grab them next week

[neon egret]

The GDC version was way friendlier

I didn't even want to get to the next wave

Freaking scary shite

But awesome

[dry fjord]

so I think the first thing I'm doing is making an accurate assault rifle sim. maybe a Saw

what's that game with all the guns and the range?

and all the videos of people failing at loading a mag in

[neon egret]

This is what I'm doing atm : https://twitter.com/exifrexi/status/774965134628388864

Like Crazy Machines. Might add more physics based grabbing etc later. Right noe it's more about getting the game in a playable state

[dry fjord]

that's cute ced

[neon egret]

Haha ty

[neat cape]

good vr games imo

singleplayer :
hotdogs, horseshoes & handgrenades
audioshield
A Chair in a Room: Greenwater

mp/coop:
Raw data
Hover Junkers
Pool Nation VR
Keep talking and nobody explodes
Altspace VR

[spring wolf]

yeah hotdogs one is the one you're probably thinking of for shooting range

[dry fjord]

cool

[spring wolf]

i haven't finished but i think The Gallery is pretty cool so far for single player

[neat cape]

oh no.... hotdogs horseshoes and handgrenades is training us how to kill @_@ call da police!

I wanted to play the gallery and adrift

[dry fjord]

too late, space pirate trainer gave me lasers and grenades

[spring wolf]

also i'm a fan of: Holopoint, HoloBall (kinda simple but entertains me and gets me sweating)

haha

i haven't gotten adrift, reviews scared me off

for vive

[neat cape]

space pirate trainer is neato, I still have to play the new update

[dry fjord]

that needs to be MP too

[spring wolf]

yeah i fired up the newly updated SPT briefly

[neat cape]

yeah space pirate trainer really needs coop :D

[spring wolf]

not sure what you do with the laser sword yet

[neat cape]

you can pull drones towards you and then slice them

and reflect lasers

[dry fjord]

yeah I found that confusing

a lot of these games look boring af in videos

then you get into them and they're amazing

[spring wolf]

oooooh

oh, Racket NX o rsomething demo is cool imo

[neat cape]

yeah, people think audioshield is the most boring thing ever

until they play it

[spring wolf]

not sure if that's the name... hmm

[neat cape]

budget cuts demo is also neato

[dry fjord]

mean

I bought CDF starfighter too since someone here was making it

haven't tried it yet

fuck I need sleep

later guys

[spring wolf]

yeah this one, enjoyed demo. http://store.steampowered.com/app/428080/?snr=1_5_9__205

later o/

[neon egret]

Have you guys checked out the gnomes and goblins demo?

[spring wolf]

yes! i just did last night, that was neat

slammed my controller into the ceiling once too

[neon egret]

Don't spoil it though :P

[spring wolf]

good times, yeah won't say anything

[neon egret]

Me too

Probably at the same point

[spring wolf]

haha

[neat cape]

it's in the steam library, no idea what it is though

[spring wolf]

preview of an upcoming experience, i think it's same people that did theBlu?

[neat cape]

I'll try it out later

[acoustic breach]

Try out Rec Room

[spring wolf]

yeah next time i dive in i'll have to finally fire up recroom

[acoustic breach]

It's a social / Game room game

the Paintball game is AMAZING

[neon egret]

Yop, already recommended it :P

[neat cape]

we need to throw a VR party :P

[acoustic breach]

and that new Shield soccer

[neon egret]

True @neat cape

[acoustic breach]

@neat cape i downloaded it yesterday

(gnomes and goblins)

[spring wolf]

yup wevr, same as theblu

[neat cape]

I kinda want a mindfuck game, think antichamber levels of mindfuck

oh my god.... mc esher vr

[sharp swan]

Neuromancer VR

[acoustic breach]

antimchesher

[hard light]

Squanchtendo are working on a mindfucky VR game

it's no Antichamber, but it sure is weird

[acoustic breach]

GET OUT OF MY WORLD

FUCK YOU GET OUT OF MY MAGICAL TREE WORLD

[neat cape]

yeah as long as I don't have to hear morty :P

[acoustic breach]

I'm SO looking forward to this

[neat cape]

might give it a try

crows crows crows did a neato job with that free game with the really long name

Dr. Langeskov, The Tiger, and The Terribly Cursed Emerald: A Whirlwind Heist or something like that

[acoustic breach]

games from a joint venture like this only can be good :v

[neon egret]

MC esher might not work that easily. There is a cardboard game with perspective puzzles

[acoustic breach]

justin + the stalney parable designer + ex Epic games member

[neon egret]

But it turns you around the puzzle which makes you puke in a few seconds

[neat cape]

ouch

[hard light]

I'd love to do certain puzzles, but it'd require render targets and UE4 / hardware just isn't there yet to do render targets in VR

a lot of Antichamber's puzzles as a result just couldn't be implemented

[neat cape]

I would love world portals, like portal2/antichamber but I'm no programmer :/

[acoustic breach]

i'd really like to see a finished "World portal" actor shipped with ue4

[hard light]

antichamber's portals are just standard render targets, hehe

just well implemented

other parts are duplicated geometry and teleporting

[acoustic breach]

i was thinking about like portal/prey/portal 2 portals work

[hard light]

Prey uses genuine portals; literal doorways

I think Portal has a render target style system too, but Portal 2 does not - I may be mistaken here

[neat cape]

idtech magic again?

[hard light]

idtech was built for that shit by accident, haha

[acoustic breach]

I'm still sad that prey 2 didn't exist

[hard light]

optimisation system inadvertantly turned game mechanic

[acoustic breach]

i mean the " real" Prey 2

[neat cape]

not coffeecup prey?

[acoustic breach]

i'm talking about the Prey that gets teased at the end of prey 1

they could fix it just by removing the " to be continued " at the end of the game

anyway.

since i finished the lamp post yesterday. i'm gonna look into the new VR template

and do a little prototype of the VR part of our game

but that means i need to create a basic AI

[neat cape]

nah, ai is for later

[acoustic breach]

Then i'll just spawn Rubber Ducks instead

LOTS of Rubber Ducks

[neat cape]

🦆

[acoustic breach]

We should rethink our game concept and replace all enemies with Rubber Ducks

[hard light]

why stop there?

[acoustic breach]

more family friendly

[hard light]

replace EVERYTHING with rubber ducks

[neat cape]

and add mc esher stuff

@hard light like this? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=665565094

[acoustic breach]

That just gave me an idea of a Level design contest

[hard light]

glorious

[acoustic breach]

a contest where you only allowed to use ONE static mesh of your choice

you can alter the material and size and scale but not the mesh itself

[neat cape]

freak, look at the link I posted.... we're doomed :P

[acoustic breach]

I did a simmilar contest in source engine a while ago

it was called the 20 brush challange

[hard light]

20 brush challenge is an old Quake thing, hehe, it was also done for UT3

you can do a lot with 20 brushes in UE...

[acoustic breach]

yea i guessed that concept exists far longer

[neat cape]

well using only a single SM, use dynamic lightning and you're light on memory usage :P

[acoustic breach]

yea bsp in ue4 is really powerful compared to source

but the workflow is still crap :P

[neat cape]

it's fiddly, but yeah I wouldn't object to some updates to CSG

[acoustic breach]

if the current BSP tools would get replaced by a system thats simmilar to Source 2... man that would be awesome

that would turn UE4 into a fully fledged 3d editor.

well.. not that powerfull as a real Modeling programm. But even more complex shapes could be done in no time

[neat cape]

I would be happy with linear skew and/or falloff scaling for models... even if it has to be baked

[acoustic breach]

yep

anyway back to #virtual-reality

[snow raft]

I always liked being able to modify the order of BSP easy with quake engine, its fiddly with UE, the order in the worldspawn tree meant something

[mighty carbon]

I work with CSG brushes in UE4 for my current project and it's not all that bad actually

just missing a few useful tools that Quake never had either

[snow raft]

depends which tools you used I suppose, WorldCraft 2 and QUARK were pretty decent

[mighty carbon]

and of course brushes should be turned into meshes in UE4, to avoid any weird stuff going on

hated both of those 😛

DarkRadiant is the best CSG level editor for Quakes

(for Doom 3 really, but can be used for Quake 3 too)

Trenchbroom is interesting

[spring wolf]

hmm, for VR, if i wanted to say highlight an object i'm pointing to, does the traditional way i'm finding tutorials for valid for VR? like http://www.michalorzelek.com/blog/tutorial-creating-outline-effect-around-objects/ (render custom depth and the like it looks)

and post processing

[snow raft]

never heard of em, I moved to UE with UT2003

[hard light]

do not use custom depth in VR

[spring wolf]

yeah that's what i was wondering 😛

[hard light]

I would not expect it to behave properly

I mean, it might work, but I would not expect it

[neat cape]

I'm not sure if I like that "turn geo to sm" everytime I did that the lightmap went apeshit

[spring wolf]

guess another way to highlight is to change the material of the object?

[hard light]

yeah, that would be much more reliable

[spring wolf]

👍

thanks

[hard light]

good old fashion fresnel effects are nice and cheap to render

[wintry falcon]

^ I'm using fresnel for highlighting objects all the time. Very performant and you can even nicely SLERP the exponent

[still marsh]

Anyone have tips on how record VR in an interesting or fun way? Or at least record a wider FOV than the thin-slit preview window?

A lot of vids I see are extremely narrow and not fun to watch. VR is already having a hard time being shown to people who don't have VR.

[hard light]

Vive or Oculus?

[still marsh]

Vive

[hard light]

we had to modify the engine to get something recordable

it was a fairly easy thing to do, you need to adjust the default mirror mode in (IIRC StereoRendering.cpp) to take a normal resolution slice out of either the left or right eye

recording VR gameplay is a bust though, because players tend to move extremely quickly

[spring wolf]

in-game cameras you can setup are pretty great tho imo

[hard light]

best way I've seen to get nice smooth results is to have a networked client that smooths everything out for you

[spring wolf]

for streamiing/etc purposes

[hard light]

yeah, you could probably write a mirror mode that uses a 'third person' camera too

[still marsh]

What about rendering an additional third person camera to record? How can I do that?

[hard light]

not recommended, you'll tank your frame rate

this is the problem I could see with using a third person camera on the same machine

it's hard enough to hit 90/120 stereo without adding another camera to render D:

[still marsh]

Alright thanks for the tips!

[spring wolf]

the ones that do have those cameras, probably are ok due to being lower fidelity? at least the ones i can think of

[hard light]

yeah, they're probably also Unity games, which has native support for that in the engine

it's literally like a couple of tick boxes, hehe

[spring wolf]

hope UE4 adds it, neat feature

[wicked oak]

it was a fairly easy thing to do, you need to adjust the default mirror mode in (IIRC StereoRendering.cpp) to take a normal resolution slice out of either the left or right eye
recording VR gameplay is a bust though, because players tend to move extremely quickly

how?

becouse im 100% mad of the black bars to the sides

has someone here developed for PSVR?

iwth ue4

[hard light]

well, literally what I just said, just look for the mirror modes in that part of the code, there's a section that defines what is rendered to the screen

[wicked oak]

cool

i have the mirror modes on the oculus

but not on the vive

vive gets the black bars

[hard light]

mirror modes don't work on the Vive at all

[wicked oak]

if i do a "hmd mirror mode X" it goes black

and then it goes black every time

unless i nuke saved/config

[hard light]

we just made the default one do what we wanted

[wicked oak]

cool

wich file?

StereoRendering.cpp?

[hard light]

IIRC

[wicked oak]

ill have a look

[spring pond]

not all mirror modes work on vive

3-4 are oculus only

[wintry escarp]

nods

watched his overloaded cardboard fall to the floor

[still marsh]

Hm. That's too bad, I guess I'll just have to record weird thin displays for vlogs and stuff

[pallid echo]

Anyone know what VRWorks Graphics is?

[sharp swan]

probably graphics but 2 of them !

[pallid echo]

There is a new branch on the Nvidia Github that has VRWorks-Graphics-4.12 but no explaination on what it is.

@sharp swan But graphics meaning?

[sharp swan]

it was a lame joke dont worry about it 😃

[pallid echo]

oh okay

haha

I'm slow today

[sharp swan]

I presume VRWork is specific rendering technologies to optimise VR. There was a page on Nvidia that described the features but I haven't read it for a while to comment on what was included

[pallid echo]

Your totally correct but they have a bunch of different tech like Multiresolution but this "graphics" thing is new.

I can't even find a blog post about it or anything in the Nvidia Developer page of their website.

Oh well, time to compile and see what its all about.

Well wait...

https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks

If you look at the diagram and the explaination just below it its almost like its a combined branch of everything dealing with VRWorks.

Interesting.

[sharp swan]

ugh that meants bloat to me 😃

[pallid echo]

If its stricly VRWorks then all of it is gonna be useful since most of it is about improving performance.

But if they are including things like the new PhysX 3.3.4 SDK and VRWorks Audio then that's like the holy grail for VR Developers.

I'm going to download and compile it. I'll let everyone know what it is once I tinker with it a bit.

[sharp swan]

+1

[wicked oak]

maybe its a compound branch

like the funhouse one

wich is multires+lensmatchedshading+physX stuffs

looking at vrworks Graphics

it seems to refer to the package

[pallid echo]

That's what I was thinking too.

[wicked oak]

ue4 already has single pass stereo(in a non-nvidia-only way)

but that VR sli, on unreal?

multires is the normal multires branch wich is proven to be awesome

lens matched shading is just so it doesnt render the borders at all

but i think that is automatic on steamVR sdk

[pallid echo]

What's funny is I post an issue to get clarification on what it actually contains and someone just posts a link to the branch. "Yes...I know the branch exists. I need to know what it contains though."

I can't stand when people don't read lol

Which has nothing to do with you @wicked oak Was meaning the reply on GitHub.

[wicked oak]

i wonder how single pass stereo compares with the instanced stereo unreal already has

[mighty carbon]

upsetting to see no Gear VR devs here 😦

[mighty carbon]

does anyone know if Rift will be coming to XB Scorpio ?

(with Touch of course)

[wicked oak]

it is possible, but i doubt it. Maybe if PSVR is a success and microsoft is pushed into doing it

becouse they have no VR development, but good communication with oculus

yet, oculus is 600+200 for the Touch, while PSVR is 350+150 or so

[mighty carbon]

well, Rift is superior to PSVR

and Touch to PSMove

so I am sure if XBS users would try Rift+Touch, they'd go for it, even at $800

plus, MS could subsidize it

[rigid quiver]

You think unreal will someday be able to quick export to every vr device ever? That'd be sweet.

[wicked oak]

it already does

i just switch vive and oculus and it works without a change

i just need to swap my hand actors to the other model, ofc

[rigid quiver]

Oh snap. Maybe what I want is the same inputs across all of them. That's probably the thing that won't happen

[wicked oak]

wich is also done in unreal

motioncontrollerocmponent is same on all

the buttons are "trying" to be generic

but they arent for obvious reasons

at least the trigger is comon to everyone

[rigid quiver]

Would it make sense to have ue-vr-gear channel and the like?

[wicked oak]

not really

[dry fjord]

I have a UE project that was working with the DK2, but when I try VR preview with the vive I just get a black HMD and a shitty slow ass mirror window

is there anything extra needed?

[wicked oak]

no