how does one try the Protostar thingo?
#virtual-reality
snow raft
I know the secret hand gesture
something is just not right here, the oculus store loads but my project seems to load fine according to the logs but I dont see it
mighty carbon
copy apk to your phone, run it, it will ask you to place your phone into gear vr
snow raft
yup do that and then black screen, oculus store
mighty carbon
has nothing to do with Oculus Home
snow raft
log tells me it gets to Begin Play
mighty carbon
did you place your OSIG where it should be ?
snow raft
yup, osig all looks good now
mighty carbon
maybe 4.13 bug
worked well in 4.12
I'll try deploying for Gear VR today (was waiting on FMOD to release updated plugin)
if it doesn't work, then ot'
... then it's a bug
snow raft
Ive tweaked the plugins, it might be something in my settings Ive done wrong
snow raft
definitely seems like something is not right with shaders though, its compiling thousands and its only a basic template, the obb package is a few hundred meg for a tiny amount of content
mighty carbon
snow raft
why dont they just use VR to control robots on the space station instead of using astronauts 😛
mighty carbon
latency
snow raft
yeah cuz Im sure they are rushing around in zero g
robots can have magnetic boots for gravity 😃
mighty carbon
you need instant feedback and it's not going to happen
snow raft
not sure what they need instant feedback for exactly, maybe i need ot pay more attention to hwat they do up there apart from selfies and play guitar
snow raft
like see how high marijuana plants grow in zero g vs tomatos?
spring wolf
yeah do have some plant experiements i recall seeing
there was also the one where they had that astronaut who had a twin, he stayed on the station for about a year to see the affects of being in zero-g for so long
snow raft
yeah he is older than his twin cuz of relativity now
spring wolf
wonder by how much
snow raft
zero g isnt too good for humans, astronauts arnt just regular people either thats kinda why I thought telepresence might be a good idea
just run some fiber up to the ISS 😛
or shoot it with a "laser"
astronaut is playin UT like man this 12ms ping sucks
spring wolf
haha
yeah, all sorts of problems if we're going to have one of those 100yr spaceships!
snow raft
yesss it works 😃
musta been a setting
time to take over the ISS and assume command 😛
apparently its going into private ownership soon, NASA was saying they want to sell it and focus on a Mars trip
maybe Mark Zuckerberg can buy it, call it Spacebook
storm zenith
Hey there. I'm having trouble controlling a character via Blueprints with the Vive headset. I can control the character but since it's possessing the same pawn that gets input from the standard mappings, the effect is that the character moves but stays in the center of the chaperone. What I'd like to be able to do is control the character without the VR camera moving. Basically, I want the character to run around the chaperone room-space without the HMD being affected. Anyone have suggestions on how I can achieve this? I've looked at Input docs but I think I'm missing something fundamental.
storm zenith
Is that aimed at me? If so, just VR.
wicked oak
you need to create a camera that isnt parented to the character
real needle
and switch to that one
wicked oak
you can do that by placing a camera on the floor of the map, and telling it "player possess"
or somthing like that
its a property
like auto posess
also make sure that it has the follow vr hmd to true
real needle
alternatively you could also use a custom player camera manager
if you need some specials
storm zenith
Hot damn! That worked! Thanks, @wicked oak and @real needle .
I kept trying to do the other way around -- detaching the main camera from the basic input. That just doesn't work.
wicked oak
normally, unless you override it, pawns get a camera
automatically, on their "eye location"
wich all pawns do
there is a function like "GetEyeLocationAndRotation"
by default its position+rotation on just a Pawn
a camera gets created there and parented to the pawn/character
if you add a camera to the character blueprint
just a camera component
it will automatically be used instead of creating a new one
real needle
off-topic question: anyone here knows stuff with streaming levels and navmeshes?
hazy yarrow
Hey guys I'm trying to package a UE4 Vive project. Is there anything special I need to include for it to open in SteamVR Direct Mode?
wicked oak
literally nothing
wicked oak
but you might need a -vr parameter in the shortcut
or at least a "stereo on" command on the beginplay
real needle
thats what i meant with "depends" 😃
in 4.13 theres a checkbox for that in the project settings
with <= 4.12 you need to do what vblanco said
wicked oak
did you know those things i just said work on that star wars thing they just released?
real needle
(from my POV its usually easier to do the stereo on command on beginplay of the entry level)
wicked oak
if uou add -vr as launch parameter, it opens on VR and works
real needle
haha, nice 😃
hazy yarrow
Ah thanks guys. I turned on stereo on. I'll try the -vr launch parameter. TY
That helped a ton. Thanks @wicked oak and @real needle
fresh laurel
dry fjord
so what's that in real person dates and prices?
fresh laurel
Some time in november with a 200 dollar price tag maybe more
dry fjord
they must be simpler to make than headsets. less supply issues.
fresh laurel
I do not know
dry fjord
does the rift come with more than one camera yet?
wintry escarp
unlikely
harsh hearth
I don't think it does, but I think you can buy extras separately?
dry fjord
does it support a second camera?
there was talk of them adding one
they added LEDs to the back of the HMD for tracking the user when they turn around
but the controllers are going to be occluded a lot
harsh hearth
I could be wrong, but if they don't offer additional sensors yet they ought to
in the future, unless they can magically make everything work with just one 😛
dry fjord
things like google tango should make it irrelevant
put the camera on the HMD
cameras on the hand units
I still prefer lighthouse as a solution right now though
harsh hearth
In the mean time, they're kind of in this limbo though :\
Granted, the tracking is much better than it was with my DK2 when I tried the CE
I agree though, something with cameras on the headsets would definitely be more consumer-friendly and easier to setup
dry fjord
my vive hasn't cleared customs yet. I can't wait!
dry fjord
not only detect rooms but do some depth filtering and put your hands into the sim
why can't UE see the vive cam feed yet?
harsh hearth
If it's clearing customs, where do you live?
dry fjord
New Zealand
harsh hearth
Oh yeah, quite a trip for that package
dry fjord
I had to register a company and get a client code in order to import something over $1k
wasn't too bad a process though
I used a copy of a friend's form since he'd converted their shitty word doc to PDF. then I forgot to check the other pages and submitted it with both his and my drivers licenses
oops
spring wolf
i still haven't tried turning my vive camera back on
last time i tried everything freaked out
dry fjord
what's it used for normally?
spring wolf
default i think is a siloutte-ish representation of your bounds?
ghost of what's in front of you, something like that... i think
real needle
If you have any questions about Touch I can fill in, we have them
harsh hearth
Do their thumbsticks behave much like the Vive's thumbpad?
I.e. have a standard? </wishfulthinking>
real needle
Yes, except the "SteamTouch" event is not fired, there's a separate for Touch
spring wolf
not sure where to ask this... curious how to create a static mesh and stretch it from point a to point b at runtime... like make a wall
real needle
The coords are the same
harsh hearth
Ah cool
real needle
@spring wolf Either usin a spline or a morph target
real needle
Or very crude: Scale in one axis
harsh hearth
So 0.0-0.95, >=0.95 = push?
spring wolf
heh yeah was thinking scale, i'd have to do some math to pull that off
well i'd need to math it up anyway
real needle
@harsh hearth Push?
harsh hearth
so on the Vive thumbpad, you can differentiate between moving and pushing... there's a threshold at .95 in whatever direction
real needle
Yeah but no "Push" event gets called by just touching
harsh hearth
i guess kind of like the analog sticks on a PS/Xbox
real needle
Facebutton 1,2,3,4 is different
harsh hearth
ah ok
harsh hearth
How are you liking them so far, btw?
real needle
So OnThumbstickDown -> Get Thumbstick(X,Y) -> execute based on params
spring wolf
@harsh hearth thought the only threshold like 0.95 was for trigger?
harsh hearth
ah hell sorry, that's what i'm thinking of probably
real needle
They're great, but not 360 unless we do a very cumbersome camera setup
That no one will have, so not even worth designing for it
dry fjord
do you not put your sensors in opposing corners?
real needle
No, not by Oculus standards
dry fjord
oh, you're on oculus. sorry
real needle
That would require a 10 feet extension cable for the opposing camera
dry fjord
that's not unrealistic
spring wolf
so you think PSVR & Oculus will be similar for at least the typical installs of oculus, non-360 room-scale only?
harsh hearth
Not for enthusiasts like us
real needle
No, but you would be better off designing for Vive, because people who wants room scale will get the vive
dry fjord
that's true
spring wolf
room scale ftw!
dry fjord
surround sound setups have a similar problem though
spring wolf
😄
harsh hearth
True
If the bulk of the marketshare is going to be casual VR users who might not have the availaibility or the patience, I could see it being a big win for the company that manages to streamline sensors so that they don't have to plug in things all over the room.
spring wolf
seems like PSVR has the best bet for casual
harsh hearth
Not to mention those Vive sensors can get loud when the fan(?) starts running
so I unplug them when I don't use them
spring wolf
motor for the mirrors/whatever i think
spring wolf
@harsh hearth oh you can use bluetooth now, that feature isn't broken any more
spring wolf
yeah, enable that and stop unplugging! i've been using it for a few days, works great
harsh hearth
Man, it's like a veil has been lifted
spring wolf
and like now i just play music to block out the noise 😛
while it's live since i'm in UE4 fiddling with VR stuff
spring wolf
it's way higher pitch than fans lol
dry fjord
ah so an annoying whine
dry fjord
just listen to it close up and you'll go deaf for that frequency
spring wolf
it's not super loud, so has to be quiet to hear
dry fjord
or be old like me
spring wolf
haha
dry fjord
probably just keep earbuds in the whole time
harsh hearth
yeah that should do it
dry fjord
I love that you can plug them into the vive
harsh hearth
i don't notice it until i'm off doing something else
and i'm like "wtf is that noise"
dry fjord
I don't understand why the DK2 didn't have that, or why you couldn't use the USB port for the leap motion
harsh hearth
Yeah that annoyed me with the DK2
dry fjord
I stopped doing as much DK2 stuff because it's cumbersome to VR and de-VR
harsh hearth
although honestly I still never use the earbuds with the Vive... my headset is just so comfortable
spring wolf
i currently use PS Gold headset with a tiny short cable for my vive
dry fjord
handy
harsh hearth
but I love the option to plug into the device
dry fjord
I was thinking earphones because they're good at blocking everything and have good bass
plus i have a spare pair now thanks to the iphone 7
spring wolf
not sure the ps one shave much bass tho :/ even tho they're bigger than buds
or everything i play is lacking bass
dry fjord
some guy was arguing with me on reddit that the tiny CV1 headphones must be the best option ever because they'd be perfectly calibrated by oculus engineers, etc
dry fjord
haven't heard of it
spring wolf
yeah
dry fjord
so I was planning to just use my small office for the vive, but maybe I should abandon that and take over the lounge
spring wolf
seems like a good app to test headphone options with 😄
dry fjord
do proper room scale
dry fjord
I love these mixed reality demos
spring wolf
yeah, i want to do mixed reality even tho i have no current reason to besides "that looks so cool!"
spring wolf
not sure
only poked around a little so far
early access so could come later or be open to the suggestion etc
spring wolf
speaking of audio... Tilt Brush + Music + reactive brushes is super cool
dry fjord
the only major difference between vr graphics now and 3d back in the day is the glow effect
I love that
I've been underwhelmed by tiltbrush but I feel like I'm going to find out I'm totally wrong about that
spring wolf
I have like no artistic skill but i find the app super cool and love the stuff others make in it
wintry escarp
rift should be a in a few shops here next month
dry fjord
where's here?
wintry escarp
uk
dry fjord
figured
that'll be cool
get one before Brexit reverts you back to the dark ages
although you might get some more liberal importing laws if it actually goes through
dry fjord
ouch
wintry escarp
nods
abstract gale
can confirm, I had my daughter and her friends play tilt brush - love at sight+sound, ages 10-14 easily could sell social VR bday parties if thye could make avatars and multi play lol
anyone play that soundstage yet? looked cool
spring wolf
I've only fiddled some. It is pretty cool so far
pearl tangle
multiplayer in tiltbrush would definitely come in handy
snow raft
Id just paint over my friends 😛
snow raft
damnnit, enabled bloom and boom doesnt work on OpenGL ES2, what to do hmm
dry fjord
disable bloom
snow raft
I need it though, some form of emmisive bloom atleast
the hardware is more than capable of it
I guess I might have to try a material as a post process and limit it to the mobile feature set, not even sure if thatd work though I really dont want to be writing proprietary code for the platform though thats kinda why I use third party engine to begin with
the limitation might not exist if I use a higher feature set but Im not sure what the engine does the phone is capable of, the tutorial doesnt mention OpenGL ES3.1 or ARM64 at all
phones a good 6 months old now
the checkbox for 3.1 says I need full engine source which is just a headache I dont really need somehow a few hundred MB project is already bloated out to nearly 4GB just with it being a CPP alone
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/2107/realtime_glow.php lol apparently I have to take a trip back to 2004
rich root
Hi guys. I'm having some problems with spherical maps on the GearVR.
This is my material setup
It's using a single texture, combined left and right eye.
Then it's split using the TexCoord stuff etc.
The problem is it becomes very pixelated once it is shown on the GearVR
dry fjord
at least in the editor, that half and half thing on a post process material can be weird and not exact
but I guess that's a surface material so ignore me
rich root
but if I split the textures, one left, and one right, I get smooth textures
It looks ok in the editor. That's not the issue, it is when I compile and deploy
dry fjord
is it a power of two texture?
rich root
well... it works with two individual textures 4096x2048
dry fjord
"on its own" 😃
rich root
yeah... but I don't think that's it
dry fjord
might be a sampler limitation in UE on es2
rich root
I actually used a bigger texture once, not stereoscopic, that didn't have a problem. I think it's the UV part... not that I know much about that
dry fjord
hmm
rich root
Do you think I would have luck in the graphics channel?
dry fjord
my maths is bad but you get the idea
snow raft
@dry fjord ES2 doesnt or UE4 with ES2 doesnt?
dry fjord
guessing
I know es2 can do a 4k texture outside of ue4
ok, new angle
bad UV calculations result in poor sampling and things get chunky
and pixellated
something in the if statement might be degrading the arguments passed through
neat cape
@rich root you're using that for mobile right? try enabling "full precision for mobile" in the material if you haven't already https://a.rokket.space/ieenvl.png
rich root
I don't have that checkbox in my material
neat cape
and incase you didn't know this, but you can set unreal to preview everything in ES2 https://a.rokket.space/kgezuc.png
it's right below "usage" for me, it should be there
dry fjord
I'm skeptical of if it actually is or if it's just using a reduced feature set
some of my things work in preview mode that don't work on a phone
neat cape
I'll create a new project with mobile settings and look it up real quick
rich root
I just changed the preview, so compiling a ton of shaders right now
This is what I have under Mobile on the material
snow raft
the engine is running on a different platform too when its on your phone so its not going to be 1:1 even if the instruction set is identical
snow raft
weird I dont have that planar reflections listed on mine
neat cape
mons, I made a project on 4.12.5 and it's there for me, upgraded the project to 4.13 and it's gone
but full precision is there now, planar reflections now has it's own tab
right below it https://a.rokket.space/nwccgq.png
rich root
ok, go the checkbox, packaging and testing
snow raft
yeah I got it, shit Im gonna have to change since I need those, I got no SSR so it was my next best option (or perhaps the better option anyways)
rich root
*got
btw, I love Unreal Slackers
even if this doesn't work, I still get so fast response. It's awesome
dry fjord
👌
snow raft
crazy came all that way to end up back at forward rendering 😛
looks like what Im after
rich root
ack... it crashes on the phone
wicked oak
bloom is one of the few postprocess effects that looks nice in VR
i like to leave it on
its the only postprocess i leave on on my Vr stuffs
bloom is fairly easy to do, its just clamping the emmisives above certain value, and then adding a gaussian blur on top of it
snow raft
yeah I was using the post process but apparently GearVR doesnt like it so I'll have to try to do it in the material if I can
maybe its just the OpenGL version, I might have to go up to ES3.1 or Vulkan, I just dont wanna complexify the workflow for whats meant to be a simple game
wicked oak
but you cant do it on a material
its a screenspace effect, you need a postprocess
doing it on actual geometry is a whole different thing, far harder to do
snow raft
so how am I mean to do it on GearVR? Epics tutorial says they support 1 post process effect Auto Exposure
wicked oak
you would have to do that
wich is pretty fucking hard
anyway, i think you can now do postprocess on mobile
you would need to code it yourself
but i would forget about it, screenspace stuff works horrible in phones
becouse they are tiled gpus
dry fjord
doom3 was that low tech?
snow raft
post process using a mobile material?
dry fjord
PP bloom existed way before that
snow raft
this material is going to be the only thing running, performance is like a non-issue, no lighting what so ever
wicked oak
doom3 ran on fixed hardware machines
it could run without shaders
and it slike one of the very first games that used shaders
wikipedia says its popularized aroudn 2004
dry fjord
neat
wicked oak
right when doom3 released
dry fjord
yeah it was the first time I'd seen normal mapping
dry fjord
yes it was
quake 4 was the same engine wasn't it?
it did not hold up well
at least doom 3 had re-releases
snow raft
Q4 ran heaps better due to improvements in the outdoor lighting
but it made the seems on the characters more visible
the Q4Max mod for MP had a heap of graphics settings to tweak from looks like arse to wowie
obviously in MP dynamic shadowing isnt all that popular so they left it out by default but its all still the same under the hood
it wasnt until Wolf they starter really removing it
neat cape
I think I played that mod, should be installed (the sweetFX is obnoxiously configured though)
snow raft
the situation with Quake Champions is interesting, the engine is like half a version back 1 version forward 😛
wondering if maybe Bethesda want to get their ducks in a row instead of having so many engines under one roof
neat cape
savegame's gone, can't change resolution, oh yeah quake 4, just how I remember you
snow raft
lol you havent driven the hovertank again yet 😛
wicked oak
the new doom engine is a thing of beauty
it runs so damn well, specially on vulkan
i play it at 144 fps on my gtx970
neat cape
I have... and I died... a lot
oh yeah, the new doom engine is amazingly performant, I tried surround spanning with it 6k x 1080 and I had a solid 60 with a single gtx 970 stryx
snow raft
I had my doubts about vehicles with Rage but ID did rather well, not the best but well enough, its still a great shooter
Q4 vehicles were just lol
better than Chrome... only just 😄
neat cape
fuck the ending of rage though, fitting name for the game because the ending is so lackluster it probably made people rage
dry fjord
I enjoyed rage. I'd love to see the actual high res textures get released
it's jarring seeing them so low detail
snow raft
I just liked the gunplay, ID have a way with weapons
dry fjord
yeah they totally gave up on the last level
snow raft
too busy setting the standard for Elon Musk to follow 😛
wicked oak
you shot a guy in the feet and he falls, then he gets up, and then he walks to you skipping becouse he is hurt
dry fjord
I loved that
it had really great level design too
that fuckin dead city
I've never had to get through a level so badly
wicked oak
it just was unfinihed
if it had just an hour more of gameplay, with a proper final boss
then it would have had waaaaaay better reviews
wicked oak
people were just hella annoyed it just "ended" in the middle of nowhere
dry fjord
would have been a better engine
snow raft
it really does deserve a re-release I think, much more so than Q4 😛
dry fjord
oh yeah
there's word of one
rumblings
they said there's no reason they can't do it if skyrim goes well
so buy skyrim
snow raft
lol wtf skyrim? isnt that an old game now
snow raft
when we gonna get Morrowind 4 😃
neat cape
yeah skyrim is getting an engine upgrade to the fallout 4 version of the creation engine
probably when TESO is dead
snow raft
so which game was better Oblivion or Skyrim?
wicked oak
TESO is not dead
dry fjord
Rage
wicked oak
and its going to improve a shit ton on next patch
on the next patch, they remove all level limits
all of them
a level 1 char will be able to roam the whole world and do whatever quest he pleases
neat cape
@wicked oak I was talking about when the next elder scrolls will come out
I didn't say TESO is dead yet :P
snow raft
Mad Max is a pretty good looking game, good fun though gameplay and anim isnt the best
wicked oak
that for the mmo one
snow raft
stabs TESO
wicked oak
im eagerly waiting for that patch, it will be closer to coop skyrim with it
its so annoying with the level limits, you cant sync yourself with a friend
oh, you are 2 levels more, too bad
with the update,even if they are different factions, you can do a trek across the whole world to meet
and then go do whatever in the middle
hard light
to be fair, widely levelled characters also break the game
it's like in Borderlands 2 where you could jump into a level 1 game with a level 70 character with 30k+ badass points, lol
wicked oak
all those wow zones completely empty becouse they are levelling zones and they are worth nothing to higher or lower levle people
guild wars 2 does it better as it equals the levels of the people to the zone
so you can find people roaming around in any zone
snow raft
ahh the old MMO ghost town conundrum
wicked oak
and doing the world bosses
hard light
if player levels scale to regions, why even bother having levels?
wicked oak
skills and stuff
wicked oak
after all, thats what skyrim does
real needle
@hard light It would be awesome to design an mmo without lvls, you're absolutely right
snow raft
lol they talkin bout VR in lounge
wicked oak
lets make a open source mmo with the community, last time it worked for OpenTournament 😛
snow raft
OpenMMORPGament
dry fjord
because it keeps it interesting
WoW scaling that is
you can do the regions in any order
but once you hit 110 they don't scale versus your item level
so you get stronger and they just keep staying the same
oh shit lounge
here we go
rich root
@neat cape
It worked, after going to 4.13 it works. With the full precision.
Thanks a billion, really saved my day
test
neat cape
you're welcome
upbeat smelt
hey guys, can anyone help me with the ui for HTCVIVE?
haven't figured out how it's implemented 😦
spring wolf
anything specific? i've started fiddling recently so i'm new, but been toying with UMG in VR... thinking i might need to roll my own UI for what i want though
sharp swan
the UMG is getting better all the time. The WidgetInteractionComponent is a godsend.
wicked oak
at least the normal kind, you need to find a way to do your interface grounded in the game
upbeat smelt
I have an previous UI that I'll probably have to refactor for VIVE
spring wolf
yeah i started with UMG in world (3D widget component?)
forget exactly what you call it
sharp swan
thats right yeah
wicked oak
i have problem in my DWVR game becouse i cant add a radar, or a healthbar
sharp swan
psssst. wanna buy a 3d radar? ¬_¬
wicked oak
how do you add a radar to a vr action game? you cant
adding it on front of the player blocks vision
adding it to the hand means you have to block your vision and do the gesture to see it
adding it to your feet has similar issues, you lose sight of the bullets that are coming to you
right now im using sound, and im making it so the enemies that are behind you move slower and shoot slower
sharp swan
you apply widgets in an augmented reality fashion in VR. ie. In a first person mode, pretend they have a google glass or hololens on. Then project it as that
wicked oak
thats not a solution
thats just the classic "head mounted interface", wich works badly
spring wolf
it'd work for some games
upbeat smelt
yeah, I know it's godsend, but with VIVE you have the controllers
spring wolf
assuming you're in a cockpit or something 😛
upbeat smelt
it's to googd of a feature to ignore
spring wolf
well what he described would be like wearing a helmet with a HUD maybe
spring wolf
yeah not sure i've played anything that does that
wicked oak
the problem is that the vr headsets have low field of view
sharp swan
holographic contact lenses etc. it's genre based but I see your point vblanco
spring wolf
i either have stuff on my controllers, around my waist... or a cockpit, etc
wicked oak
you cant just put it on the edges of the vision
its also ridiculously distracting if you do
neon egret
I noticed that every UI that moves with my head in the vive is annoying
wicked oak
if you put it more centered it blocks your view
yeah, it all needs to be grounded in the world
of course in a cockpit game its a non issue
spring wolf
yeah i'm not sure i have anything that has head-mounted UI...
so i haven't seen it yet
wicked oak
but on a shooter is much more complicated
raw data adds stuff in the hands
the ammo is on a counter on the gun itself
spring wolf
yeah, played raw data, pretty cool... and that rpg with the waist inventory/health
sharp swan
jfro: Ghostship Aftermath has a VR helmet in such a fashion. it worked well in that game but it was a slow action horror game
neon egret
Yop, place UI on fixed positions that are not moved by the HMD
upbeat smelt
a 3d widget?
neon egret
Yes
wicked oak
or fancy materials
spring wolf
@upbeat smelt yeah there shoudl be a few tutorials
you design a flat ui using UMG basically and then add it to the 3D world
neon egret
Just add the widget component
spring wolf
and then you can do something like add a pointer (widget interaction component) to a hand
upbeat smelt
@spring wolf yeah, I know there must be some, but I can't find them
upbeat smelt
@spring wolf at least regarding 4.13
spring wolf
that's what i used
and i used 4.13, think everything was close enough to still match up
wicked oak
in 4.13 there is a way to interact with the 3d widgets from vr
spring wolf
yeah widget interaction component on a hand would do it, i had to find another tutorial to get a clue on that one
upbeat smelt
those I've seen, but I needed some regarding VIVE controllers
spring wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgWWwiHQmzY maybe, dont' think i saw this one when i last looked
upbeat smelt
one guy that's great in VR tutorials is MitchVR, and he even developed a plugin in 4.11 or 4.12 for VIVE
spring wolf
FYI: widget interaction component's debug drawing (laser pointer) is bugged in VR
draws all crazy
upbeat smelt
but now epic launched 4.13 with controllers integration
sharp swan
@wicked oak I was forcing mouse position for a HMD cursor system previously. you can imagine how happy the WIC makes me 😄
wicked oak
iwas using that unofficial plugin lol
sharp swan
I had no problem with the forced mouse thing but I couldn't tell whether the engine was minimised or not to release it. So if you alt-tabbed, the mouse was stuck in the centre. Terrible thing to do :p
upbeat smelt
@wicked oak yeah but now there's the official version and I would like to work on it
real needle
mitch is really great. i still have parts of his template in use in my game 😃
sharp swan
we based our game on his first template but it's all but gone now
spring wolf
@upbeat smelt i'd try that 2nd video i linked, looks like he's doing the new WIC in VR
upbeat smelt
@spring wolf thx! amazing help
spring wolf
i still need to make a laser pointer for mine
hard light
the RPG is Vanishing Point, and the waist based inventory stuff was pretty awful
spring wolf
yeah i only played it some
nto sure how i feel about it just that it was another idea 😛
hard light
it's okay for the first 45 minutes or so, but once you get out of the castle combat becomes a real pain in the ass
spring wolf
bummer
yeah i didn't get far lol
i still need to go finish The Gallery too 😦
which has been pretty cool so far
real needle
everytime i play the gallery, either my pc crashes or my controllers are low on battery
i think i will never finish it 😄
spring wolf
lol
holy hell can VR be unstable
it just randomly has bad days for me
othe rdays it's solid
wintry escarp
just saw my first rift advert for a normal shop
neon egret
Rec Room Paintball for life ❤
real needle
the thing i love most is theBlu
kinda fun when after quite a long day working with VR i just relax and look at fish
spring wolf
i still haven't tried Rec Room
but yeah theBlu is great
i show that to people sometimes first, let them see the whale 😃
wintry escarp
it seems daydream headsets will have gyros, same as gearvr
neon egret
RecRoom is fun. PaintBall makes tons of fun with the hiding behind obstacles etc.
But even the other gsmes are awesome. Or just standing in the lobby and playing table tennis etc
You should all check out the Demo of Gnomes and Goblins
It's free on steam
spring wolf
looks
neon egret
It's a cute and relaxing experience with a surprising end. But find out yourself
spring wolf
i'll snag it too, thanks!
sharp swan
ill check that out when I get in the office (Vive is there) @wicked oak
upbeat smelt
i'll check it out later also
spring wolf
VNC'd to my PC to tell it to snag them... there a remote control solution that's as fast as steam streaming? 😛
wicked oak
there are 3 minigames on it
a lightsaber game against drones, with a gun too
a goalkeeper game
and a action game with a bow(im using one of the shootergame levels for it)
funny enough, the bow game was the least liked at the start, but i patched it and now its the most liked
lightsaber game and goalkeeper game have working steam leaderboards
for the bow game, i implemented dashing teleport movement, with time slow, and your bow kills enemies in one hit
its is fun to dash around the level smacking the red unrealguys around
upbeat smelt
nice work @granite jacinth
wintry escarp
what tutorials
snow raft
forgot how to swing a sword, needs tut
have you ever tried crouching in real life like games though, its more like waddling in this I kinda want to poo but not sure stance
important design issues for room scale VR people 😛
sharp swan
there was an arcade machine that housed a kinect or something. A police tactical shooter in the style of Time Crisis. You can to manually crouch behind things. £2 later my legs were dead.
*you had to
brainfarting today.
snow raft
lol power squats, SQUAT OR DIE
I think the foot pedal was much more practical
was Billy Blank in the game 😃
hard light
IIRC, that arcade machine didn't have anything that fancy
it basically just had scales under the platform you stood on
sharp swan
this definitely had a cam. it was pretty visible at the top of the unit
hard light
fair
wicked oak
so it happens i have a VR prototype of exactly that
its the first thing i made once i got my vive
stopped becouse i dont have a level designer
snow raft
you know what I noticed with these VR thingos, the guns look like they have no weight which they dont really compared to a real one, wonder if theres a solution to that
apart from putting lead weights in the vive controllers 😃
sharp swan
sell a custom frame for the controllers with your game
snow raft
and when you pickup a different gun? Im wondering if the motion controls need to be 1:1 if you can toy with em abit without vomititis kicking in
spring wolf
huh
just noticed my vive is warm even tho it's asleep
that seems like a half ass sleep mode
snow raft
careful it might explode 😮
spring wolf
well it's not wireless so should be safe 😛
spring pond
If you think things feel light with a vive controller wait until you try a touch
I almost wish they were heavier, its super strange
Also touch grip trigger has a much smaller raidus than pullin the trigger on the vive, so picking up large objects can feel strange at times
snow raft
yeah thats a great point too, lifting a big metal crate vs a small cardboard box, the expectation is there one is heavier
I wonder if it effects how people react say if you drop a car vs dropping a box, in VR its quite possible to catch the car if the game allows it but thats not how one would react in reality so they might not even try
eff yeah, neon glow works
spring pond
I instapapered an article about that very topic not long ago, haven't got around to reading it
You can pick "people" up in our app, feels a little wierd, but we haven't added haptics
wicked oak
just the little shaking goes a long way
people complained about that on vrmultigames, i had no rumble at all
so i added it, not extreme, just some rumble with shooting, and some rumble when you draw the bow
players were really happy with that
and it was easy to add
spring wolf
sweet. yeah i'm trying to do something akin to tilt brush's controllers and was noticing how they had some rumble, definitely makes a difference
snow raft
snow raft
spewin cuz they are talkin bout vr futures
Im on 3g and its workin fine XD
wait theres hang, short one
lol who wants daydream when you can have wetdream 😛
wicked oak
its a disaster, i cant watch it
fresh laurel
lol
snow raft
3.6 million viewers, not too shabby
fresh laurel
4
snow raft
hehe
fresh laurel
That is total views
snow raft
wow 4 people, no love for dice
fresh laurel
we are the only people watching this
snow raft
even the tables at the front are empty
fresh laurel
yep
granite jacinth
This a Unity stream?
granite jacinth
I see
snow raft
he's just fanboying abit atm
spring wolf
i just joined, 5! hehe
fresh laurel
lol
granite jacinth
I don't mind watching
fresh laurel
Seven
wicked oak
lol, vr editor
snow raft
ahh the competitin
spring wolf
so they have a vr editor too 😛
wicked oak
how cute, they are trying
snow raft
lol those of you in the audience... hi Epic
granite jacinth
So, who knows who had the idea first
wicked oak
was it really?
spring wolf
interesting, but either way seems like a no brainer
granite jacinth
Probably so
wicked oak
i remember epic doing it and a few days later unity showed a very very very basic implementation
spring wolf
any engine that does VR probably could use one
granite jacinth
TBH though
There's no purpose
I know of 0 people who actually use it
As in daily
wicked oak
epic editor is far better, becouse its the actual editor working on vr
this is more like a patched together mode
granite jacinth
Once in awhile, sure, but most people haven't even touched it after the first try
wicked oak
and even ue4 vr isnt very useful
snow raft
looks abit like a kids toy
spring wolf
yeah i can't imagine using it a lot but maybe to test & tweak?
empty sundial
I think I'd only consider using it on the very final stage of level design tweaking.
granite jacinth
I personally think Touch controllers >Vive Controllers
wicked oak
i guess its cool for iteration to check it from up close, for scale and stuff
empty sundial
And even then v0v
wicked oak
how, are they doing the EXACT same demo as last time?
silk lodge
psmove > vive/touch controllers (jk)
wicked oak
with the mountains, then the trees, then the few cartoony houses?
granite jacinth
No idea, I don't watch Unity stuff usually
snow raft
could be why no ones watching 😛
granite jacinth
It says live
wicked oak
im getting MASSIVE dejavu from this
granite jacinth
lol
snow raft
they are broadcasting a playlist, live is a lie
granite jacinth
They can move hopefully to nice features
granite jacinth
Maybe she's a robot
wicked oak
nonono, its the same
harsh hearth
Oh hey, the Unity VR play is back on broadway!
snow raft
this guy is live though? Im confuseds
harsh hearth
plays Inception sound
snow raft
playlist live plays a repeat 😮
wicked oak
in ue4 editor you can even edit blueprints and material
but you cant add a keyboard
so its kind of limited
spring wolf
drama drumming
harsh hearth
I hope they keep iterating on it
spring wolf
spherical nodes? 😛
snow raft
soon they'll have touch pad keyboards that'll work, kinda like the yogabook, you could put sensors on it to find it in the VR space
harsh hearth
Because there's a lot of untapped potential.
spring wolf
swim in your blueprints
harsh hearth
Lawnmower Man style
wicked oak
you mean tangle yourself?
snow raft
or maybe just wands so I can be a real BP wizard
wicked oak
btw, it works good on Edge
snow raft
I always use VR when I operate a circular saw
wicked oak
on chrome it was being unusable
snow raft
lol dude just put a phone in your brain, who needs a TV
these guys dont watch enough cyberpunk, theyre excited by the funniest shit
fresh laurel
@snow raft - http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/09/microsoft-patent-shows-holodeck-style-full-room-immersive-display/
Microsoft is working on that
wicked oak
phh. im doing things like what they are showing now
mine is better tho
its my current part-time job, im doing vr visualizations for Roche pharma
fresh laurel
What are you doing @wicked oak ?
wicked oak
about multiple esclerosis
fresh laurel
oh nice
mighty carbon
pricing will decide what's better 😉
fresh laurel
😃
wicked oak
mine its actually going really cool, really fancy
mighty carbon
Vive + beefy PC is no way mainstream friendly
wicked oak
i do the programming, other 2 guys do the art and design
snow raft
they need a punching glove on a stick, the future of haptics
wicked oak
let me take a picture of our WIP stuff
spring wolf
the audio on this stream sucks
fresh laurel
^
snow raft
I was just thinkin that
spring wolf
yeah, distorted/clipping/etc
mighty carbon
So, has anyone tried XImmerce motion controllers with Gear VR ?
snow raft
Im not overly impressed yet honestly, even the speaker isnt great
a place of low quality graphics lol
snow raft
heh looks interesting
wicked oak
also, all cells are dynamic geometry
they are jelly and they do animation by a vertex shader
spring wolf
nice
snow raft
wicked that sounds great, so you can poke em
wicked oak
we are not there yet XD
current animation is a scrolling 3d displacement noise
with a gradientmap for intensity
so the vertices in the tentacles dont go wild and stuff
snow raft
oh great unity has its own version of MS paperclip
wicked oak
damn, one step closer to "make a game" button
that game is just ready for steam greenlight right now XD
snow raft
11/10 would fund
wicked oak
of course it has micropayments
also, touch can detec you are pointing
but what the guy is doing is impossible
snow raft
pay for virtual wood
wicked oak
the oculus touch cant know your finger lenght, or how much you have it up
just that you are "pointing"
oculus touch is pretty cool. i was sent 2 by oculus
i think its better than the vive wands
more confortable, lighter, and more buttons and can do gestures
snow raft
I want a yew wand 😛
wicked oak
?
spring wolf
getting impression that their tracking isn't as good though? or not as room scale capable?
wicked oak
false
this runs on touch
on 1 camera
also throwing fireballs by pointing becouse coolness
spring wolf
thought you can't do 360° tho? at least not with 1 cam
snow raft
this is really odd he talks about users creating worlds etc, game developers have been doing that for ages and plenty of artists before that
its not exactly ground breaking, VR offers a deeper sense of immersion in some respects I suppose but still, the way he says it is like its never happened
wicked oak
i mean, just look at Second Life
mainstream adoption is a thing about price
current PC VR its far too expensive
thtas why im ging to make DWVR for PSVR
tons more market there
snow raft
yeah that really opened my eyes, I saw a hamster building stuff out of clear tubes and wolves riding bicycles all kinds of crazy stuff, flew up in the sky and came across someone building the deck of the enterprise
fresh laurel
I am going to wait for PSVR to come to PC
wicked oak
it wont
fresh laurel
😦
wicked oak
maaaaybe a unnoficial hack
fresh laurel
ok
wicked oak
like current psmove controllers on pc
snow raft
yeah half naked chicks walking around buying silk, second-life is weird
fresh laurel
ok
snow raft
how are they going to police these realities? they have enough trouble with this one 😛
theres already talk of morality issues, like that DoA game apparently you can touch up one of the bikini girls and she says no but it doesnt stop you
wicked oak
im very intersted in what google is doing with magic leap
there was an article out there of a guy analyzing their patents and their few "previews" some tech sites did
plus some of the videos they did
if only half of that is true
google magic leap(AR) will oblierate the smartphone market
its like hololens done right
with oculus comparable FOV, and faaar better image quality
snow raft
AR could be great for workplaces too
wicked oak
and card games
wicked oak
not sure if the resolution would still be good enough for monitor style quality
snow raft
just have minidrones flying around spying you can see
snow raft
this guy is much better
mighty carbon
I bet Touch feels more natural when it comes to most of the weaponry
wicked oak
for weapons yeah
not for a sword
but for weapons, still meh
the vive is a stick after all
mighty carbon
@wicked oak So overall, what's better, Rift or Vive ?
mighty carbon
that's what I put on my Christmas list 😉
wicked oak
dat async timewarp
with oculus you can push those 90 fps
on vive you cant
it drops you to 45 the moment you get more than 8.5 miliseconds(you get 11 for 90 fps)
real needle
on the other hand, the rift is a very sensible beast
wicked oak
so its like it removes a 20% performance becouse reasons
compared to the oculus
oculus is noticeably smooother
on high end games that push it
real needle
my second rift is dead because of usb issues or hdmi adapter death
my vive is a tank, i handle it very rough and it just works
so remember that too
spring wolf
ooh did you mean sensitive beast?
wicked oak
ive been sent 4 oculus, i got spares
they got mistaken and sent me 2 more
without touch
real needle
haha, no native english speaker, so yes 😃
wicked oak
so i got 4 headsets and 2 touch sets
spring wolf
ah ok, sorry was just trying to figure out what that might mean 😄
wicked oak
im not a native english speaker either
real needle
"only" got 2 rifts and 2 touch 😃
spring wolf
i have 0 but i'm not a game dev 😄
pallid echo
@wicked oak I'm doing 23ms and getting 80-90FPS
real needle
wat
pallid echo
I know, wanted to see what you'd say haha
real needle
11.11 more exactly 😛
pallid echo
I like getting reactions from people lol
wicked oak
well, yeah, but that rounding lets some space for overhead too XD
real needle
hehe
but really, the rift+touch is something...special. i mean, the tracking is shit
wicked oak
not on my tests, comparable to the vive
mighty carbon
vblanco said tracking is fine
real needle
tracking would be great with the cameras if you would do it the same way as with the vive.
wicked oak
and very solid
real needle
but with 2 front facing, its crap
wicked oak
just look at that video, and thats on 1 camera
real needle
i know how tracking CAN work if the cameras have the right position and angle
but thats not if they are front facing on your desk
wicked oak
only the cable lenght limits you from putting them on corners
mighty carbon
you should probably put 2 cams in V shape
wicked oak
wich is a solid point...
the lighthouses dont need to be plugged to the pc
they can work on batteries, even
real needle
and there we have the problem, at least for us developers. how many people will have the standard front facing setup opposed to the people with a roomscale-oculus setup?
spring wolf
remember reading how the light houses work, pretty neat, and more accurate than i expected
real needle
i bet, around 95% of the rift users will have front facing cameras, because they exactly bought the rift to not have that hassle with montage of the lighthouses
mighty carbon
positional tracking is a must have feature of VR
wicked oak
but its meant to work on PSVR wich is one camera and the worst tracking of all
real needle
if the game is designed that way, thats ok
mighty carbon
95% of people will have limited space to play in
so seated and standing experiences / games is what most will play
real needle
but i am trying to support touch in mine, and you can teleport and rotate around wildly there 😃
wicked oak
i allways add confort and size features to my vr games
even if they are prototypes, becouse its worth it
mighty carbon
and then 5% of hardcore VR users will clear up whole room for room scale experience
real needle
2x1.8 here
spring wolf
i forget what mine is
dry fjord
I decided last night that i'm going all the way and taking over the lounge for VR
my office is too small
that gives me room to set up a seat with the Rhino and the steering wheel too
wintry escarp
I have as much room as I can spin my chair in
snow raft
plus you have the added bonus of having a lounge in your office then too
this is why I like the term media room 😛
wintry escarp
cool, plug my x360 gamepad into my tablet and I can move around vr
snow raft
yeah I think its better with gamepad tbh, I have a steelseries stratus XL I been using
wintry escarp
Bluetooth would save having to unplug all the time, but I had a gamepad so I just needed a £5 cable
snow raft
yeah I needed a PC gamepad too at the time so it fit the bill nicely
mind you the 360 one is probably better since you dont have to set it up all the time
I woulda got the XBO elite one if it worked on other platforms honestly
wintry escarp
all I need now is a decent android device
using a nexus7 in a cardboard isn't optimal
snow raft
I hear the Note 7 is good hehe jk
wintry escarp
its this months hot item
dry fjord
I wouldn't put anything cardboard anywhere near a samsung
wintry escarp
too late, I will probably get next nexus phone (google pixel) or the axon7
vr820 wont be until next year
snow raft
well google already have a platform dont they
not that I have any idea what it looks like
wintry escarp
should be shown on oct 4
snow raft
Im hoping my phone is supported but google did say something about the daydream supported phones wouldnt start happening until closer to the platform launch
I see the option in my settings menu
wintry escarp
what phone?
snow raft
galaxy S7
wintry escarp
it meets all the hardware requirements but Samsung refuse to say if it will do daydreamvr
snow raft
yeah Im thinking since they are direct competitors in the mobile VR space its possible it wont happen
googles actually said no though so Im not sure, samsung does say much its all oculus
wintry escarp
far as I can see, Samsung would have to go out of their way to block it
that would be an asshole move
granite jacinth
Samsung will support DayDream, chances are, they will be different phones
So that it doesn't clash with their GearVR stuff
But who knows.
snow raft
well Oculus have already positioned themselves in their own little space with GearVR the app isnt actually an app at all its a service of the phone, google supports external stores from samsung etc but oculus purposefully walled themselves off, my biggest beef with GearVR tbh
wintry escarp
the s7 is easily daydream ready, Samsung could deliberately block it though to protect gearvr
but that could leave them open to being sued
they would effectively be selectively crippling android
snow raft
I wanted to try GearVR as a stepping stone to Rift but honestly Id go somewhere else at this point given enough reason, its decent but the store is kinda needless
they coulda easily piggybacked on other stores
wintry escarp
being locked to the store is what puts me off gearvr
snow raft
the games on there are kinda crap and overpriced too, Im gonna set it up to use that vridge or whatever it is at some point
wintry escarp
problem with the store is if they decide they don't like your game/experience....you're screwed
snow raft
I kinda understand where they are coming from with comfort but I really didnt need to download some 360 of the orchestra to play games on it
its just bloatware
so sly though making it not have a google play app page so no one can rate it fairly
turned me right off Oculus
wintry escarp
use your pc to do the rendering ?
snow raft
I'll give it a shot if I dont need to root my device
wintry escarp
I suggested this last year and people said it would have too much latency
snow raft
those usb cables are also micro hdmi, they just dont get used for that very often
wintry escarp
ok, lets try it
dry fjord
being locked to the headset while it catches fire is what worries me
wintry escarp
if the pc is doing the rendering the phone shouldn't even heat up
snow raft
my current project doesnt need much rendering power so gearVR is okay for the moment but Id assume having PC doing the grunt work would improve the picture quality
dry fjord
if you pre-render a pano and do local rotation it'll work
snow raft
phone will still be on charge chewing juice through the screen
I dont really understand it they say dont leave your phone charging after 100% but if you tether is there really a choice
dry fjord
all phones should have a charging circuit that handles that
anything lipol should or instant fire
wintry escarp
I read fast charge is a bad idea anyway with current battery tech
reduces the battery life even when its working properly
people suspect its why new iPhone doesn't do it
snow raft
they do have abit more experience with the c type cable, S7 still has the micro
maybe people just been plugging it in the wrong way lol
Ive seen a few disasters from people forcing c type plugs into the micro and frying the port somehow
brand new s7 edge dead without a single charge RIP D;
it was the Apple cable that killed it too lol
pearl tangle
apple wants people to buy a new phone every year so they don't care if the battery is shit after 18 months
@wintry escarp did an event over the weekend with gear vr's just playing panoramas on a loop. they get bloody hot running 4k video in 360 non stop. We were trying to charge them with the wireless chargers but it was too busy and never getting put down to actually charge and still was roasting