I know where it is
#game-jam-chat
wise apex
Then filtering out actual low-effort games would be good. But you can't reliably tell what was low effort 100% of the time.
tepid light
You can measure it: Is everyone scores their games.
slim light
yeah that's never going to happen. The game jams are all about community building
past hull
filtering is horrible idea
past hull
only filter it out if its breaking the rules
loud basalt
you could set entry requirements for participation prizes that require some minimal effort
rigid fog
And it was pretty damn obvious
loud basalt
they had a rule 'no default material', things like that only requiring more work are a good example
rigid fog
I mean, if I can make a "shit" COMPLETE game in under 24 hours
robust basalt
but how do you judge someone making a raffle entry vs someone making their first honest effort on making a game
rigid fog
At the very least, you should have a complete game in a week's time
small fern
tepid light
Games that have no ending, no proper game play
wise apex
If I wanted my name entered, I could just throw something together.
loud basalt
thanks @small fern
slim light
meh how do you differentiate between low effort and someone tying to make somethign for the first time and be part of something?
rigid fog
Actually...
wise apex
So it's a bad idea because you can't.
tepid light
I think its not hard to tell
rigid fog
You could
tepid light
also, It might not be public
wise apex
No
slim light
that's nonsense
rigid fog
No it's not
past hull
it is
rigid fog
Nah
wise apex
It's nonsense.
rigid fog
When you register for an account
past hull
some ppl lurk for example
slim light
it is, when you register has nothing tyo do with ability
tepid light
that wouldnt be fair
rigid fog
That means you downloaded the engine right?
civic dock
Forum registration date has no bearing on someone's skills, obviously.
rigid fog
Why not?
slim light
no it doesn't
tepid light
to disqualify people based on forum date
rigid fog
@civic dock no, but we are discussing half ass attempts
tepid light
you dont have to be a part of the community to participate
wise apex
So an industry veteran registers and downloads UE4 on the day the jam starts
rigid fog
What was the original point of this discussion though?
tepid light
if you use 90% of epic assets I would say thats is low effort
wise apex
Then makes a game that takes him/her 25 minutes tops
rigid fog
How to differentiate right?
slim light
like digibotts has only posted in threads where he posts his jam games, but they are all great
rigid fog
So
wise apex
It passes the "date registered" check
civic dock
Let half-ass attempts fall to the wayside organically. If they're really half-ass attempts, they're not going to win a prize someone else deserves.
wise apex
Low effort entry just bypassed your check.
rigid fog
If we do NOT take into account, Account Creation Time...
Then...
What about Live Streaming attempts?
Nope...
tepid light
But they can win a raffle
slim light
just don't do it, it's a gross idea
proven badge
well
tepid light
and raffles are actually worth way more that prizes for winning
slim light
do nothing
past hull
let allar decide
civic dock
Who cares if half-ass attempts win a raffle?
past hull
thats what 😛
proven badge
last time they give each winner member nvidia shield
slim light
it's about community building not saying who deserves what
glass fossil
I'm not sure that the goal is worth whatever method you would come up with
tepid light
just base it on score
loud basalt
with the amount of participants everyone had a 1.4% chance of winning a raffle
rigid fog
Maybe, put a mandatory field? Stating Engine Experience?
civic dock
The real reward for a game jam is shipping a game people enjoyed.
wise apex
I'm not really concerned with filtering anything out of the raffle/rewards
rigid fog
@civic dock wrong
past hull
^
tepid light
sum the score from all judges and dont include bottom 20%
past hull
@civic dock is right
rigid fog
The real reward is just completing the game jam 😃
glass fossil
Like, even if we filtered out with 100% accuracy the entries that were just attempts at the raffle it wouldn't change things much
civic dock
Epic does the raffles to get more people involved. Some people will inevitably try to game the system and there's nothing you can do about it.
loud basalt
i did try a few new things i hadn't done before, sequencer was awesome, used it for my cutscenes
but in hindsight should of just made a proper game
rigid fog
Which is what happens in Game Jam juding
slim light
only way to filter out people trying to get prizes is remove prizes
tepid light
@slim light true
tepid light
but prizes attract people
rigid fog
And they are using this as a Marketing platform
civic dock
Like I said earlier, the raffle prizes are to get more people involved.
loud basalt
or hell, those NUCs could have gone to honorable mentions
rigid fog
What COULD....
past hull
we need more wacky games
rigid fog
COULD be interesting...
tepid light
but for Epic it is better to have 200 entries than 50
rigid fog
Is it, instead of just a few Epic Employees + Allar judging...
tepid light
for us too
rigid fog
The COMMUNITY did
loud basalt
that would be too open to cheating
rigid fog
The community would vote
wise apex
See, I'd be cool with that
civic dock
I don't think that would go well.
slim light
nah then it would just be a popularity contest
tepid light
just pull chat score from Allars stream 😃
glass fossil
Prone to cheating
rigid fog
We are the reals devs
small fern
if raffle prizes would have been to honorable mentions, I'd think it would be unfair to the winners 😄
civic dock
Ludum Dare has been trying to get that right for years, and still haven't nailed it.
rigid fog
We know a lot that goes on
glass fossil
You'd have to verify every voter
wise apex
Epic vote; Community vote.
small fern
as on many cats winners got a lot less content than nuc is worth
loud basalt
@small fern just an example
rigid fog
It's easy to counteract the cheating imho
loud basalt
for the future
civic dock
If there was ever a community vote, it should be for a separate, smaller prize imo.
Not for the main competition.
wise apex
Maybe not open voting, but then how to determine the judges?
small fern
I think they shouldn't announce raffle prizes in advance at all
civic dock
LD has tried for years and failed because it's hard.
past hull
you know awful jam kinda nailed it when community gave prizes for wacky categories
glass fossil
If there was a community vote it would be swayed by people with more influence on the community. Unreal community is small enough where big names like Allar could probably get himself a win by influencing votes
loud basalt
i don't think they should even say there will be raffle prizes
past hull
but thats just really small good game jam 😛
glass fossil
(not that he would, that was example)
loud basalt
they can announce them during this stream, but of course people who have been here will know, but it'll stop people reading the thread and forming minimal effort ideas 😛
wise apex
But the cat is out of the bag
slim light
but announcing the prizes draws pparticipants so..
it'd be boring if it was always the same few people
small fern
@loud basalt yeah, that was my point exactly
past hull
you dont want this jam to become insular thing that only seasoned unreal community members did
for example it was my first project in ue4
rigid fog
insular?
rigid fog
someone teach me
slim light
LD has no prizes though does it
civic dock
There's a spectrum: on one end is a good experience for legit competitors. On the other end is 100% guarantee that no one will cheat.
These things are about having a balanced position in that spectrum. Every step towards the no-cheating end degrades the experience for the non-cheaters.
tepid light
you have to be the dev and you can't vote on yourself
slim light
just acculates
slim light
accolades*
small fern
@glass fossil I'd just make a username Aller and use it for my advantage 😄
rigid fog
never heard of that word
loud basalt
at least don't mention what the raffle prizes are
rigid fog
?
wise apex
You know, if there was some kind of portal which required registration seperate from the forums for teams, the teams who enter the jam could be verified and then you could have a participant vote.
rigid fog
You have to...
glass fossil
We can talk about the perfect prize system until the cows come home.
robust basalt
well all that raffle stuff only applies to the mega jam anyways
civic dock
^
wise apex
So the teams vote amongst themselves, then that team votes.
civic dock
Because there is no perfect system. @glass fossil understands.
rigid fog
One of the biggest reasons for this MegaJam is for marketing UE4, to draw in more potential devs, to MAKE MORE MONEY from royalties...
loud basalt
if there is one thing i did get out of this game jam it's that it set me on track for my next game, which will be amazing
glass fossil
yep, it's best not to worry to much about it.
loud basalt
so there's that 😛
rigid fog
So, you can only draw them in with a lot of CARROTS
loud basalt
that sheep i had in one of my sets inspired the current idea too, he looked so dopey i had to give him a game
tepid light
Sure, game jam is marketing. But good games from a jam make a batter marketing that bad ones
past hull
@civic dock again awful jam has solved this they announce 3 options before game jam begins so ppl can do somekind of rough ideas for each opition. then they random roll between ideas with wildcard mixed within
works perfectly
i think
tepid light
So we should encourage more effort
past hull
some guys do have all themes in 1 game
tepid light
and random prizes to low effort games dont encourage that
past hull
which ends up with pretty crazy great games
like grandpa lizard whose brain is going overdrive
glass fossil
Those who do high effort, high skill, games are going to stand out.
They may not win a raffle prize because a low effort game "stole" it. But they'll still be better off with what they produced.
robust basalt
☝ 👌
slim light
The only criteria I'd set is that the game works
not in a gameplay sense just none of these subs that are the project and you need to compile it yourself
civic dock
I'm going to assume this conversation started in the first place because someone thinks a prize went to a game that didn't deserve it?
slim light
as long as you submit something you can play that's not 100% market content
rigid fog
Hmm I don't think so @civic dock
civic dock
Oh. Then how did it come up?
Just general "What can we do to improve the next jam" chat?
slim light
it's the eternal #gamejam debate
civic dock
Ah gotcha.
past hull
also biggest feedback for this gamejam, was the fact that the theme was weak
rigid fog
If anything the raffles sparked it this time around
past hull
like you can shoehorn this theme in any game
rigid fog
Since they were talking about low-effort subs
tepid light
I liked the theme
rigid fog
that can win raffles
slim light
everyone always moans about the theme
tepid light
still think that open, one word of LD is better
civic dock
I don't like raffles, but they are just that: raffles. The winners are chosen at random.
wise apex
We can improve the next jam by not scheduling it when I'm busy and also giving me a good team that I fit into. Then, come up with an idea for me, and write my code. IF you can do the art/sound, that's a bonus- but that's what the rest of my team is for 
tepid light
but settle the score was ok
past hull
yeah but look at how many revenge games got made
loud basalt
i think the category for allegorithmic is deceptive, it is not their top visuals category at all, it's purely what suits the software they develop and not what looks best, and last year INFINITE BLADE WON
past hull
that was pretty much plot only theme connection
past hull
im saying about overall theme in the jam
loud basalt
score = musical score
past hull
like loads of revenge games
civic dock
That was to be expected.
past hull
that had only text connection
civic dock
If there's a popular theme interpretation, so be it.
loud basalt
the theme should inspire your creation, not bottleneck you into a literal interpretation
glass fossil
Settle The Score, meaning to allow a group of 8 people to settle a location.
past hull
it also eliminates low effort games
civic dock
@loud basalt I think this theme accomplished that.
rigid fog
Nothing will eliminate low effort games
slim light
ue4 jam themes are normally so strange, this one at least allows you to go for a litteral interpretation if you want
slim light
sometimes you can't come up with any interpertation
civic dock
So many meanings. It was great.
past hull
if theme was something you cant do with template. it would eliminate some low efforts
rigid fog
Also, there COULD be some misconception on what was low effort and what wasn't
civic dock
@past hull That kind of restriction is just not worth the effort.
past hull
i love crazy games ppl come up
rigid fog
Now that I think about it, maybe people thought my text adventure was low effort, but didn't realize I was affected by Hurricane Mathew and only had so much time after the power came back on.
past hull
but this jam didnt really do that
slim light
well, not everyone who enters can get a whole week off, so low effort might just be short of time effort... I really dislike saying someone has made less effort
civic dock
@rigid fog Great example of why "low effort games" is a flawed concept that should be ignored during game jams.
rigid fog
Aye
small fern
@rigid fog then again, you had as much time and handkor had once he rebooted the jam 😄
small fern
you started working on it since last 24 hours
rigid fog
Aye
loud basalt
@civic dock judging anything as low effort would be bad taste and breed negativity, they should make requirements that can't be met with low effort and everyone can meet, i used 'no default material' as an example, something like that, just ..harder
small fern
but you were here days before that, so I don't think "only had 24h" was fully accurate
it was just the time you devoted to it
slim light
can we make it mandatory to post gifs of the game being played on the subs? I'd try lots more games if I could get an idea what they were!
civic dock
@loud basalt Agreed. I think the current requirements are fine, though.
loud basalt
@slim light when i did my firsts jam in aug2015 we had to post gameplay videos
wise apex
Yeah, but you gotta tell people how to capture gifs of their game.
past hull
i think requiments are fine
wise apex
I know how, but that doesn't mean that everyone who enters will
past hull
its the theme connection that needs work
slim light
I'm joking
small fern
I loved the under 100 MB special cat though :p
would like to see something like that in the future too
like best AI
slim light
well half joking, I wwant to know what I am downloading but I don't expect it
past hull
like settle the score lead to lot of similar games
wise apex
I think it's a decent idea.
past hull
and i think thats bad for gamejam
civic dock
The 100MB challenge sounded great. If I participated, I would have gone for that hard.
rigid fog
Aye under 100MB op
wise apex
Gif of the game is easier than a banner picture.
rigid fog
I think they should do special categories every month
civic dock
Can't expect everyone to have good marketing skills.
wise apex
Even if you just take a screenshot and slap text over it.
small fern
not trying to bring back the raffle discussion on whole but did anyone check if the raffle winners were actually on nondisqualified teams? 😄
like, on games that had a legit entry
and not some 404 download link
small fern
or game with link to a screenshot of a game
indigo bobcat
@rigid fog yeah different thinks every month would be nice
rigid fog
@indigo bobcat gimme yours
slim light
robust basalt
I like the idea that Alexander mentioned on stream. That you have to document the development somehow. Stream it or make a timelapse or write some blog stuff.
slim light
that's a cool image
indigo bobcat
haha
robust basalt
Not mandatory but maybe its own category
slim light
but I have no idea wwhat the game is
glass fossil
I would love that category
civic dock
Next time I do a jam I'm definitely streaming the whole process.
Streaming is a ton of fun and keeps me focused.
wise apex
And that took a lot more effort than a simple gif of the game would take @slim light
slim light
yup
rigid fog
Documented Game Jam Entry IS a thing in some game jams
loud basalt
i'm too anti-social to stream
glass fossil
I did a devlog on my facebook, but if there was a category for it and a special place on the forums to post I would have made it there
rigid fog
Special Category
wise apex
We should do a Documentation jam
indigo bobcat
so a DocuJam
wise apex
You create a game, but it's only to have something to document
pine fulcrum
Yoooo
wise apex
It doesn't even have to be a game, it could be literally anything
glass fossil
I remember once someone suggested a Tools Jam
where everyone tries to make an asset
past hull
welcome to afterjam feedback hell @pine fulcrum
slim light
what was the theme connection for the shopping game?
glass fossil
Like, everyone could try to make a plugin, or a bluetiltiy, or custom brushes, etc
indigo bobcat
Just remember for the next jame Allar loves eviroment collecting games. the more things the better
past hull
i would love that
slim light
There was a jam like that on itch recently
wise apex
my entry:
GDD
"Working Title"
First Person Game
Walking
You can shoot
Reloading is nice
Enemy AI
-Can do the player abilities
lol
glass fossil
probably
zinc gazelle
I feel like most teams completely ignored the theme. That's my only dissapointment. Or maybe the theme was too vage, idk.
slim light
I dunno I think it would attract people who want to share cool stuff
past hull
i wonder if AI jam would create skynet
glass fossil
Jeez that extra long stream killed my productivity today, gotta go into overdrive for the afternoon
wise apex
I'd be cool with a jam themed around game AI
past hull
an idiot skynet
wise apex
"The Ghost in the Machine"
Requirements: Must use game AI
indigo bobcat
@past hull thats why you state in the rules no creating Skynet
small fern
AI can be precanned though
and it's hard to define what is accepted as AI
so it would be better to be about just smart AI
not about AI being a requirement
as that's just vague
past hull
one discord channel has this AI called frogbear and that ai is pretty much sentient now.
dumb but sentient
it also does comics now
wise apex
True
rigid fog
@pine fulcrum when are you heading back home?
pine fulcrum
Sunday night
rigid fog
Oh damn
I was trying to see about heading up to his wedding myself
But, Hurricane Matthew kinda fucked me
pine fulcrum
Ayeee
glass fossil
@pine fulcrum while you're there sneak onto someone's pc and get a hold on how the epic auto system is set up. Then you can move forward on marketplace tools
pine fulcrum
Auto system? Like cars?
wise apex
@glass fossil Shhhhhhhhhhhh.
glass fossil
Auth system*
pine fulcrum
Oh
wise apex
That's the plan.
glass fossil
Autocorrect iPhone rip
past hull
btw is there forums post about the winners of the gamejam?
loud basalt
@glass fossil the issue isn't the autocorrect it's the fact you're using iphone
dire heart
Congrats to all the winners!
pine fulcrum
Thats not the preview i wanted
dire heart
@pine fulcrum Jazz hands!
zinc gazelle
LOL
tepid light
@pine fulcrum Great job on stream. Do you plan on rating games on future jams? Not as a judge, but as a feature for your audiance on twitch
I think that was fun
small fern
someone missed him retiring on jams apparently..
pine fulcrum
^wasn't stated on stream, but aye
pine fulcrum
Was good doing them
robust basalt
😪
are there any official plans for replacement?
full playthroughs were awesome
to get direct feedback
and see someone play the game
that knows his stuff
tepid light
what? no more stream? 😦
pine fulcrum
Victor and JV and others have been doing them
glass fossil
Victor did a mostly-full-playthrough I think
pine fulcrum
I'm assuming someone will recognize the power in doing them and will take my place
small fern
victor ragequit many still though 😄
for example
I didn't even know there was gameplay on the frog game before I saw Allar play it
past hull
i think allar commentary is great
you dont get that from other streamers
like allar does do good suggestions on the future of games
robust basalt
sometimes I just tuned in to see Allar suffer through shitty games 😄
glass fossil
the pain is real
pine fulcrum
Well, it took a long time before I dialed my streams in
Several months before figuring out what works
past hull
or break those shitty games 😛
robust basalt
the bee game was my favorite this stream
pine fulcrum
Just gotta give other streamers time
past hull
i dunno your pretty chill person even when the game looks pretty horrible to play
pine fulcrum
Also there's been a rise in youtubers doing playthroughs as well
Natural order of things
indigo bobcat
Next gamejam should be a tribute to allar. Theme make lots of collectables
rigid fog
Hmmm, I shall take up the flag
tepid light
@rigid fog Streaming is your duty now 😛 fulfill your destiny!
robust basalt
pretty sure you'd have to kill Allar for that
rigid fog
But, I guess I'll need to work out a few things 😦
rigid fog
@small fern what frog game?
pine fulcrum
No fighting for me
tepid light
there can only by one
small fern
frogbutt game
robust basalt
gotta play 'em all
wise apex
load game
die
quit game
"What?? I played it!"
small fern
rigid fog
that's a FROG?!
wise apex
That, and his feedback
rigid fog
Wtf
wise apex
But I haven't watched Vic stream
rigid fog
Patience?
Oh, yeah, I have none
But I tried a lot of games
I gave them a fair shake
If shit doesn't work or make sense...
Well, there's only so much I can ensure
pine fulcrum
Its not patience, its the rule
rigid fog
endure
wise apex
@pine fulcrum "FORWARD!"
pine fulcrum
Was the only one rule I found people latched on to during my streams
Although still get people yelling NEXT
yolo
small fern
people shouting NEXT were always ones who had their own game on the request list
they were just wanting to see their game played sooner
rigid fog
That I have to complete the game no matter how long it takes?
small fern
which was still silly
rigid fog
What's a fair cutoff time?
wise apex
Not complete. Attempt to complete, and exhaust all options.
rigid fog
I mean, people have jobs 😉
past hull
also some games had stuff to discover later on the game
indigo bobcat
unless broken
rigid fog
And real life
past hull
like that base 6 game on this jam
glass fossil
You can't make everyone happy, but you can certainly make no one happy.
wise apex
If the game simply won't work, that's fine. If you just can't hack it, keep going.
past hull
clever puzzle that wasnt really explained at all
rigid fog
Hmmm
wise apex
Good example would be that voice command game.
past hull
like allar missed it for most of his playtrough on that game
wise apex
It just wouldn't work
rigid fog
I guess, we can discuss how you guys want to see GameJams played through
And I'll take it all into consideration
But I am definitely going to have a timer
indigo bobcat
i say just do your own thing
rigid fog
Regular gamejams won't be too much of a problem
indigo bobcat
make it your own
rigid fog
I think the most I've seen lately are 50ish
robust basalt
lol, just rewatching the frog, mushroom eating game
pine fulcrum
Iunno but cut off time, but definitely have current time on screen
Thats something I kept wanting to have
robust basalt
didn't realize that the guy touched his butt while eating all the time
rigid fog
Current time on game?
Oh, I need to figure out how text works in OBS
So I can get that overlayed
indigo bobcat
we might need a team to replace allar for the Next MegaJam
rigid fog
Didn't you have one before once?
pine fulcrum
The banter
wise apex
How about a bit of standardization?
pine fulcrum
Aye
pine fulcrum
Banter increases entertainment value g
rigid fog
But who would want to co-host with this guy.....
Must have a lot of patience as well
And time
pine fulcrum
Im thinking more cohost and not multistream
rigid fog
I know
pine fulcrum
People liked multistream but not enough data to know for sure
As said before, took months to dial in
wise apex
Something like the epic streams? Couch streaming?
pine fulcrum
My first few streams were god awful
rigid fog
Alright, so ANYONE who's watched my GameJam streams, what DID YOU NOT like? Other than me ragequitting "quickly"
queen thistle
The guys a stress level zero do a great stream, thats kind of a multi stream combined.
past hull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtHmiPc9gt0 i think team gamejam stream would be nice
like each member gets set of games to judge beforehand
rigid fog
oh nice
glass fossil
@rigid fog you should do audience voting
glass fossil
I liked that addon to allars stream
pine fulcrum
If you watch the SL0 streams... keep saying "hey Nate, Allar says hi" over and over
pine fulcrum
I used to work with him, good times
queen thistle
haha I will
past hull
he had timer but each judge also played set of games before hand
rigid fog
SO, you like a timer or not @past hull ?
pine fulcrum
I never did a timer, majority didnt want a timer
rigid fog
Would you rather try to watch 3-5 days worth of gameplay, or have it more condensed to get the general feel of the game?
pine fulcrum
But because I never did one, don't know if it coulda been good
Sometimes the masses are wrong
rigid fog
I agree
past hull
not really the thing there is because they already played the game jam before the stream
they also can gong it when the game gets boring
queen thistle
I think it was awesome the way Allar played a game out as much as possible, but I can also see how much of a strain that can be.
pine fulcrum
Aye, build your people, not others peoples
Every time I tried upping production value, people were meh
My people apparently like raw pre show fuckery
/shrug
glass fossil
I actually found it somewhat personal to see you in a half asleep state at the start of every stream lol
past hull
i think theres lots of things uejam could learn from other jams
i still kinda enjoyed awful jam more
overall
rigid fog
@past hull like what?
glass fossil
"guys, I literally just woke up, BRB"
pine fulcrum
Aye
wise apex
Gotta say, there's something to slowly watching a man lose his sanity over the course of a week.
past hull
its really long answer to explain
its overall thing
themes are stronger the jam is month long. the stream is done after each judge plays all the games in his block
then they stream gameplay of each gamejam game
and when they have seen everything that game has to offer they gong it
glass fossil
Sounds like it is a much bigger production
past hull
most of all the commentary is great
rigid fog
So, I've got Timer (or not), chat scores, multiple attempts
small fern
on the other hand
rigid fog
It's all an interative process anyway
past hull
try to comment on what game is doing right and wrong
rigid fog
@pine fulcrum lol
Well, I think I may have
But I'll have to temper it a bit I suppose
As for scoring. I've already come up with a better approach than just a number for the game as a whole I think.
tepid light
Anyone planning on taking part in the github jam?
rigid fog
I don't mind participating with a team, but got to be a pretty open-minded team
tepid light
I want to try something with a team. Probably naxt ue4 jam since it's easier to sacrifice one weekend than one month
past hull
i feel like month long gamejam is chiller
wise apex
If I were going to do a long jam, it'd be with a team I work with and trust
past hull
like you can have unproductive days
wise apex
So before I could do a month long jam, I'd want to work with the same people on a few weekend jams
tepid light
yea, but you also set your goals much higher
past hull
not really
zinc gazelle
you have to leave the project as open source for everyone to download in the github jam right?
past hull
actually what you learn is to keep it simple fool
glass fossil
probably next time around I might do a team, maybe for december game jam
past hull
like all month long game jam that win usually have simple idea that is really polished
proven badge
sounds kinda weird
prizes have to be some really cool stuff, otherwise dropping your month work idea for open source is not worth it
I mean, with a solid team you can cook up a greenlight / sale ready game in that time
zinc gazelle
yeah, what if the game is super good and you want to continue it, people are just going to steal it
pine fulcrum
If you are worried about ip theft... well
proven badge
not just game, individual fragments of it. Your assets / mechanics everything
pine fulcrum
Dont.
tepid light
They had ipads few years ago on github jam
I would be more worried about content than IP
ashen meadow
congrats to the discord winners
dusky python
Mega jam winner
congratulations.
Thank you for your trouble.
In again next time.
thanks
and
English is poor, and I am sorry.
glass fossil
@dusky python always good to see you entering the jams so often 😄
viscid oriole
PumpkinHack Screenshot
hey everyone " LLazyad " here , one of the makers of "PumpkinHack" , i wanted to publicly thank and promote all my teammates @tardy thicket @queen thistle, Danaos and Lance Baker for doing a great job on the game, really talented and problem solving people, and special thanks to @ember saffron who helped me with some audio stuff and @serene girder who also stepped in in the last moment and basically saved the day with some blueprint stuff .. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING AWESOME !!!! 😄
glass fossil
really great project ❤
queen thistle
Awww yeah
ember saffron
😗
viscid oriole
^^
dusky python
@glass fossil thank you.
past hull
yup i did 1/3rd of the art. other artist did the main character
i did lots of assets that didnt make it into final level :/
but im still proud on those tree's i did 😛
slim light
Ah, I was gonna say I love your space in the fall entry, but I guess that was the other person?
slim light
all the art in the witch game was neat anyway, I just noticed the witch over there 😃
past hull
she has pretty stellar art style
agreed feels good that i could match up enviromental art with the character art
like i was worried about that at the start of the jam
slim light
yeah that's hard, I wouldn't have realised it wasn't all done by the same person so success there I think!
she should do a sketchfab sub too, some of the other entries have it
stable kiln
can you use unreal materials on sketchfab?
when i export an fbx from unreal it doesnt take the materials right?
slim light
you can't do the fancy material stuff just standard albedo/metalness etc
stable kiln
i prefer unreal material editor over blender , blender looks like a dosbox compared to unreal 😛
sharp berry
Is it save to assume that the November Jam will take place on 11 to 13 November?
sharp berry
7 hours and no new messages? 😄
proven badge
ye i'd be nice they announce the date of the jam a tad earlier
sharp berry
It is usually the second weekend of the month
proven badge
well if they did announce it earlier, more ppl can clear up their schedules to attend
sharp berry
True, but more people joining in, the harder the competition gets
proven badge
more competition is never a bad thing
means overall quality of entries goes up
also if we would consitently get 200+ teams submiting, I'd imagine more sponsors would show up
sharp berry
True, but more competition means less chance for me to ever win something 😄
It's a selfish reasoning 😛
velvet echo
have only done one team jam, not for unreal engine, and that went so bad
2 people dropped out when it started, the artist sat around drawing a single picture the entire time, that wasn't even used for the game, and i ended up doing art, coding, etc. only to have others rewrite the same code i had already done that was working fine, instead of working on other aspects of the game.
tepid light
That's why I'm looking only for people who participated in a jam earlier.
velvet echo
i've never not put up a game when i have decided to participate in a jam. not that they were any good.
sharp berry
I've done 3 jams now, but a bit restrained on joining teams for what @velvet echo said, it's something I hear regularly
tepid light
One of the reasons I ultimately decided on going solo during the mega jam.
But I think I can risk it during a normal jam
velvet echo
i haven't risked it in any jams also because i am not certain of my own abilities. if i go solo i am only letting myself down.
and if something comes up that stops me from being able to work on the jam (because I have a family and my partner wants me to look after the baby or something)
sharp berry
When I jam, I lay a focus on a specific part, just to increase the learning curve for me and push myself a bit out of my normal boundries where I'm usually comfortable in (which is bad because it means stagnation). So before I actually start, I know I wont win on any of the categories, other people have so much more experience, skill and/or talent. I'm glad and happy if I get a mention or a number higher then a 3. Without actually truely knowing people here other then the occasional conversation I've no bar set for required skill. But i.e. seeing in the last jam about 50% dropping out, I don't really trust anyone with my crappy jam work 😄
Tho, having said that, one day I need to make the jump and try to work with others to learn more and learn the workflow of working in a team. A team can simply do more and go more complex and advanced.
Rather sooner than too late
proven badge
I think you guys should drop in your past experience / portoflios / projects work on the table, pretty sure if you show that you have done somehting, u ll have easier time grouping up with similar minded dudes
sharp berry
@proven badge your name is very similair to two dutch words :3
I still have to document my october jam entry for my portfolio
velvet echo
not sure any of my jam entries are worth putting in a portfolio. :3
sharp berry
I think they are
proven badge
yoiu think fraze "HEY I NEED A TEAM" is any better?
sharp berry
I've put them in their own category, they show your skill in a neat way
proven badge
jam entries are perfect representations of your capabilities within short span of time
sharp berry
tepid light
velvet echo
@tepid light FlyHigh and ChronoGlitch both show some Fog of war page
velvet echo
looks good
tough birch
Is there any upcoming jams?
velvet echo
Every month
sharp berry
November Jam
tepid light
november 10 I think
proven badge
ussually 2nd week of the month
velvet echo
3 days
tough birch
ill have to look up past jams to see what kind of theme can come out
velvet echo
you won't guess the theme 😄
tough birch
im guessing its not just like halloween, christmas, etc
proven badge
themes are quite unique
sharp berry
Knowing Alexander just got married, I would guess something in that direction
proven badge
somehting scaaaaary?
tough birch
@velvet echo thats a given but at least i can get an idea of how they produce them instead i would be doing solid noun events like events haha
velvet echo
themes have been like "Fire in the Hole", "The Sky's the Limit", "Earth Shattering Kaboom"
"Set It Free"
tough birch
ok great, thatll tell me not to concentrate on events or obvious event themes and just cry that im going to fail
but ive got to enter in one sometime so may as well do the next
velvet echo
nah, pretty much any game you can make can fit these themes
tough birch
how often do people make a game then make it fit the theme and say they did it in x time 😛
tough birch
hahahaha
i saw a lot of halloween themed games on that megajam you had
but the theme wasnt halloween was it
velvet echo
at least one of the winners was halloween
tough birch
yeah, game looked amazing
velvet echo
but it may have been they decided on the game first. i'm sure you can come up with a design before the jam.
sharp berry
Didnt that Pumpkin Smasher use a marketplace map?
Well, all pre-made content is supposed to be listed upon entry
velvet echo
pretty awesome those infinity blade assets
so many have used them now. i couldn't actually notice where they were used in the game though, so it was done well
tough birch
I bought qubicle for quick art since im not artist to enter in gamejams
velvet echo
i bought zbrushcore, but that was after last jam finished so didn't have a chance to play with it for the jam
tough birch
I bought zbrush some time ago and MODO, ive spent alot of time looking at them trying to move
lifetime licenses, pfff
velvet echo
yeah, i got modo 10, mari and substance and used them for the jam
tough birch
now the 3 substance apps i own too with lifetime as it was advised and i actually make good use out of them
sharp berry
Sculpting is hard >.<
tough birch
ive told my partner today that she is taking up modeling so i dont have to work with an artist ever again
even if it takes years to get good ill do voxel games on mobiles till then
sharp berry
And she agreed?
velvet echo
i see. and your partner was fine with you choosing their career path?
tough birch
haha yeah we have kids together and she is bored a lot and likes art
sharp berry
I tried to convince mine for almost a year now, but when she sees Blender shes like "nope nope nope nope"
tough birch
she learned how to use qubicle as well as transfer to modo and began rigging, all is gooing well #dayone
velvet echo
haha
sharp berry
I suppose you don't want to trade wifes?
tough birch
my idea is qubicle -> modo rigging -> animation -> modo modeling -> zbrush ->substance -> fire her for being late for work
@sharp berry keys in the bowl style or?
sharp berry
Yes and no take backies
velvet echo
i would have no chance getting my partner to get into anything to do with digital art
sharp berry
Its great to be able to share this life
I wish mine would see her self how creative she actually is 😄
velvet echo
at the moment i am the only creative one in the house. i'm hoping my daughter will at least take after me 😄
tough birch
she will only get creative when youre in the wrong
sharp berry
True dat
velvet echo
hey, nothing wrong with my partner. she's great 😄
sharp berry
There are some universal laws at play that are the same for almost every couple 😄
tough birch
hahaha
sharp berry
Anyways, if you were to team up for a jam, where/what would your focus of choice be?
tough birch
i dont quite know, being a jam i would have be rather open to anything given the theme but im primarily a coder who will create C++ classes designed for use with blueprints as the interface
velvet echo
multiplayer
tough birch
i do love multiplayer networking
velvet echo
lol. i was the one who said Multiplayer
tough birch
and i agreed haha multiplayer networking is a favorite of mine
sharp berry
I've a hardtime to see multiplayer as a general thing
Do you mean working on network replication or something?
tough birch
networking is rather specialized
sharp berry
I've done 1 attempt at multiplayer and hit a big wall of "Lack of knowledge"
tough birch
what was that wall?
velvet echo
that's why i would focus on it
velvet echo
i went to do a multiplayer game for one of the jams, but didn't get matches going, so i would focus on that.
tough birch
you simply have to put every player into a container class
on post connection, push a pointer to the class on both server and client ensuring they both own the same identity
TMap with usernames work well
sharp berry
I've never really CPPed, all I wrote was a little plugin to get ProjectVersion into BP, for which I heavily relied on a 101 tutorial to get it done 😄
tough birch
i will get around to make another layer of helper functions ontop of the current network api that unreal has aswell as implementing them with blueprint interfaces
some aspects can be much easier with a little generalization
rigid fog
Stop stealing my Qubicle workflow
sharp berry
Your whatta? 😛
rigid fog
@tough birch Ask your wife to do up some Qubicle->MODO Animation tutorials!
wouldn't help me though, I would be using MayaLT for anims
tough birch
@rigid fog Hold up there, she isnt my wife anytime soon!!! haha but sure ill get her to document what she does
rigid fog
Until Qubicle or someone else comes out with a Animation suite for Voxels
tough birch
ive been looking at the free voxelshop
tough birch
theyre bringing out skeletal rigging and animation
rigid fog
I would say Baby Mama
But, no, your partner who you've had kids with is too long though
tough birch
like magicka aye but i find that voxelshop performed better for my liking
magicka felt a bit more of an artistic setup for art not games but thats just my experience
voxelshop felt just like qubicle but being free with the possibility of rigging and animation is great
tough birch
give it a try matey and tell me how you found it
would be good to know if it helps you
rigid fog
Well, if they are going to come out with Animation first, might as well
tough birch
rigging and animation within the program is what sells it for me if it happens
tough birch
that could be possible since it would be a hell of a contender in the market
tough birch
ya haha i bought the indie package too
rigid fog
Probably I would pay them $100
Yeah, there is no reason to not buy the indie package for Qubicle
Just opened up VoxelShop
tough birch
reading this post they have some prototype code for the animations in the git
rigid fog
ah nice
Because I had a top down shooter, I just faked animations
used sotp motion
stop motion*
tough birch
i was hoping to find a voxel modeller with easy animations since im awful at anything art related
interesting that they are using object pascal
rigid fog
Whoever started it was probably a boss with it
And that's pretty much all that matters when you dev
Sadly, for one of my other projects I have to use Unity and it's been a challenge, especially after being with Unreal so long, 😭
tough birch
unity isnt so bad, it feels rather easy to use but unreal has that special charm
rigid fog
Hmmmmmmmm
tough birch
cant ignore them fps and lighting that is out of this world
and being a complete engine helps a lot
rigid fog
Aye, UE4 was mine
tough birch
i can see why you have unity issues and i had ue4 issues
rigid fog
Only messed with Unity for a few months last year
Forgot everything
Now I have just one more month with it
And then I could probably say goodbye forever
tough birch
took me so long to just get around the basics for unreal despite they were relatively straight forward because i was always expecting the same as unity
velvet echo
never had a problem using unity or ue4
rigid fog
Also, creating prefabs is silly
rigid fog
should be a much easier way to do it
tough birch
unless you meant the actual ide ui haha
velvet echo
mostly used unity for 2d games though
rigid fog
Aye, meant Unity Interface
And no
Unity was 3D just like Unreal
before they both threw up some 2D engines
velvet echo
i mostly used it for 2d
rigid fog
Except, Unity's 2D engine is better supported
tough birch
unity for 2d is like butter so good
rigid fog
And it shows
I'd like to do a comparison soon about it
So that maybe...it would instill some fire under someone's butt to get Paper2D up to snuff
tough birch
unity 2d compared to unreal 2d is like comparing unreal 3d to unity 3d haha
rigid fog
I would do more 2D games if Paper2D was better
90% of Paper2D games have custom engines
wise apex
I don't think a comparison will light a fire though
rigid fog
Probably not @wise apex but, it might help
tough birch
there is a reason why youll find a ton of 2d tutorials from unreal and they are all platformers
@wise apex or he could try and do nothing and hope that paper 2d will get some attention?
wise apex
If he wants to do a comparison, that's cool.
But it's not going to get Paper2D priority support. Or any, really.
tough birch
at least hes doing something
wise apex
Well I'll just fuck off back where I came from.
velvet echo
!gameidea
glass fossil
A racing game where you drive rally cars to find a priceless treasure and your sidekick is a dog.
velvet echo
go speedracer!
tough birch
@velvet echo that isnt that bad of an idea actually haha
velvet echo
well if you start making it now and i see you enter something with this idea for the november jam, i'll know you cheated 😄
tough birch
no one said i cant wait till the jam starts then run with the idea? its believable that i produced it, polished, 16 player multiplayer, 100 tracks, 22 items all in the time needed
velvet echo
nope
tough birch
i wonder how many times that has been attempted
proven badge
Rules allow you to prototype before the jam
tough birch
@proven badge really?
proven badge
so i'd imagine quite afew ppl do it
tough birch
im going to prototype a generic rpg the size of final fantasy then make it fit the theme
velvet echo
if you manage to do that before november jam i would let you have it
i'm going to prototype an MMORPG 😄
velvet echo
i don't know what the new final fantasy is
tough birch
got your covered brother
velvet echo
they are full blueprints
bitter pier
^
tough birch
i thought that was only client side not server side
bitter pier
It is
velvet echo
only server side components are chat and login i think
velvet echo
that's only got unity stuff?
tough birch
it has a ue4 fork
tough birch
looks like it has some nice high level api
bitter pier
Yep
velvet echo
tough birch
really simpifies the process
bitter pier
@velvet echo - I have seen that. No unreal 4 support tho
velvet echo
i'll add it to my watch list
tough birch
despite it being open source its a pain in the ass to work with large networks with unreal
sharp berry
why not go full java on server side and use L2J 😄
tough birch
since they abstract the lowest socket layer
bitter pier
@sharp berry - L4J is made for lineage last I checked correct me if I am wrong
velvet echo
for MMO, where does navigation happen?
sharp berry
Sure, but you can wreck all that nonsense out
velvet echo
or not even MMO... ARTS/MOBA
tough birch
@velvet echo depends on if it is authoritive or not
bitter pier
^
tough birch
WoW is authoritive, guild wars 2 is not, one can hack positional data with guild wars 2
velvet echo
i see
bitter pier
I would handle it on the server but yeah
velvet echo
never knew about GW2
tough birch
authoritive servers simply make the client dumb, it cant do anything only ask to do it
bitter pier
Yep
velvet echo
yeah. but that is more complex to make then.
tough birch
rather spend a ton of time making it authoritive then a ton of time weeding out the memory hacks 😛
velvet echo
i haven't found anything that would support it without running UE4 as your server
sharp berry
you dont want to end up having players being able to spawn items instead of playing for them
tough birch
@velvet echo you can run several headless servers together with each acting as a different service
bitter pier
@velvet echo - Did you work on Astron?
velvet echo
nah, just something i found
bitter pier
ok
velvet echo
i think someone linked it in MMO Starter kit forum
velvet echo
haha
tough birch
you can always go the unity html5 json php mysql suicide route
it works but its awful
tough birch
isnt this just like photon?
velvet echo
i just want to know how to do networking on a massive scale with server authoritive. was hoping to find something somewhere that showed how to do it.
tough birch
im sure this is just like photon
glass fossil
Smartfox Server is what we do at DoubleDown, very similar concept to Photon
bitter pier
I know that they have plans to support unreal
tough birch
@glass fossil does it have an interface that will work with unreal?
glass fossil
We use it with Unity, I havne't looked into if it works with Unreal
bitter pier
I would use Smart Fox server @glass fossil But I Would need to write my own UE integration
tough birch
i would like to see ozcores topology per shard
sharp berry
Maybe a dumb question, but is writing a MMO core in CPP hard?
bitter pier
@tough birch one sec
tough birch
@sharp berry anything network related can be hard its just how you tackle specific aspects and how to handle data
cpp is great for it since you can perform low level functionality
tough birch
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russians!
bitter pier
Yep
velvet echo
i'll just write something without server authoritive, that's easy, just hackable
tough birch
this github seems lacking surely this isnt all of their code
bitter pier
I know this sounds a bit racist. But I do not trust that server tech because of their nationality. Just because of what is going on between my country and theirs.
To much can go wrong
tough birch
it would be discrimination not racism
sharp berry
It's not like they're known to be saints...
tough birch
but statistically...
bitter pier
Fair enough
tough birch
that github looked empty
velvet echo
oh, kbengine has navigation. so it is server authoritive?
tough birch
@velvet echo link
bitter pier
That is great stuff
velvet echo
oh, no nav for ue4
bitter pier
@velvet echo - Not yet atleast
tough birch
im not fond of HTTP as the protocol for networking my games, if i wanted to decouple it i would just use a command design in my game
velvet echo
that dashes my dreams of making a MOBA still then