game-jam-chat

[foggy shard]

i could probably use some c++ library

[velvet echo]

and no sound either yet

[foggy shard]

i started from music 😃

yet to finish it

[small fern]

sound + music usually comes in latest unless you have audio guy in team or the game focuses heavily on audio

[velvet echo]

needs lots more textures too

playing with particles in substance 2 mostly

[small fern]

substance 2?

like painter?

[foggy shard]

I need to stop trying to get sound i like and accept sound i can get

[velvet echo]

yeah painter

[small fern]

ah ok

[velvet echo]

forgot they have designer too

[foggy shard]

nooo

it's like best program

[small fern]

I wish I had more time to learn it

[foggy shard]

really it's my favorite program

[small fern]

I usually use it just like ue4's materials

[velvet echo]

i've got it, just haven't used it

[foggy shard]

i wish fmod had some procedural functions substance designer got

like random seed

how can you do proc gen without it

[small fern]

only real things I make with designer are substance painter filters and if I need to do channel packing

[foggy shard]

but it's more about placing and changing sound based on game play then random music

but it's also first time i use it
so may be i don't know something

[small fern]

btw

[foggy shard]

you can save individual notes and randomize them but it's no control

[small fern]

I used to dig substance painter

but I haven't used sp2 that much

but when I tried to do something really simple with it on this jam

it was crawling at 2k resolution

it was never that slow on SP1

I could barely use manual brushes at all

[foggy shard]

just different shaders

[small fern]

hmmmm

[foggy shard]

you need 1080 to use sp 😃

[small fern]

well

like I said, SP1 used to be a lot faster

I'm still using old gtx670

[foggy shard]

was it metal/rough ?

[small fern]

but it's been fine for SP in past

yeah

I'm talking now here just handpainting simple shapes

but I can't even do masks freehand

and mask is black and white

it just lags too much

I know it has to recalculate the materials etc if you mask

but I had super simple setup there

just bit worried about the perf downgrade

SP was never great at manual brush work anyway, but this is at whole another level now

[foggy shard]

as i understand it mostly needs Vram

i wonder what limitations Sp1 had i never used it

i got very little time in sp2 too
it's just kinda sad to do something and know that you can't randomize it with one button in runtime

with sliders and stuff

I am a bit crazy about how everything should be proceduraly generated

that look nicer then thing i did before

[small fern]

my biggest issue with SP workflow atm is that I really dislike game assets having individual textures in them

[foggy shard]

now i just need to copy it 11 times

[small fern]

it's nice from artists perspective

as you get more control over it

but that's how we max the VRAM on GPUs

and need to stream content in constantly

[foggy shard]

that is why we got more vram now

[small fern]

those assets still add up in loading times, disk space etc

not really fan of downloading new AAA games as you need to reserve like 50-70 GB of space for them

[fringe aurora]

question 2 (how the heck does one integrate nvidia flex into eu4) there are absolutely 0 helpful tutorials online about how to do this

[small fern]

@fringe aurora https://github.com/NvPhysX/UnrealEngine/tree/FleX

you need to use specific fork for it

build it manually

[fringe aurora]

404

[small fern]

that's just one fork

[fringe aurora]

no idea how forks work

what even is a fork

[small fern]

yeah, you need to have linked github account to epics repo

[fringe aurora]

I tried that

didn't understand

[small fern]

then you need to be logged into your github account too

[fringe aurora]

was logged into github

[small fern]

well, engine building is a thing on it's own

and how to use flex

[fringe aurora]

smashes head into keyboard

[small fern]

if you've never done those things, I really recommend against doing it on last 1.5 game jam days

also

not sure if they want nvidia exclusive games on jams

even though it's pretty safe to assume epic uses nvidia on their computers

[fringe aurora]

Time to make the sphere of a thousand random joints

[foggy shard]

I think jams usually produce games with strange hardware and it's normal

[fringe aurora]

does unreal have particle collision by default?

[foggy shard]

and nvidia isn't strange

[fringe aurora]

i think i might make a empty actor with a particle effect and shader to simulate slime

[small fern]

that wouldn't really work

well

that's what flex does for fluids

but it's pretty complex setup

you could do metaballs approach though

but I kinda doubt you'd get the effect easily with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaUAfgrZjlU

[fringe aurora]

why does ue4 feel needlessly complicated sometimes

like unity was so straightforward and easy to navigate

[small fern]

you can use it like unity if you want

and build everything from scratch

but yeah, it's way more complicated than unity

you can pretty much learn the whole api (like 80% of it) just in few months

[foggy shard]

unity?

[small fern]

good luck on learning even 20% of unreal in the same amount of time

yeah

[foggy shard]

you don't really need to

just google

[small fern]

heh

yeah

but I mean, you need to know what you can do with the engine somewhat

to even know what to google about

[foggy shard]

that is then you do something not obvious unity start to suck

[small fern]

I don't mean like you can memorize the whole api, just more like to know what is there and what is not

[foggy shard]

ture

[small fern]

ps

[fringe aurora]

for the stuff i find myself wanting to do it's like the world is spiteing me by having no/not relevant resources/tutorials for what i want

[small fern]

unity doesn't do soft body physics either

but I wouldn't be surprized if they had 3rd party assets for that

on asset store etc

[foggy shard]

idk there i would build slime faster

[small fern]

how?

I mean, you need to literally take the same steps if you do it manually

[foggy shard]

morph

[small fern]

but morphs are quick to do on unreal too

[foggy shard]

and then add some cod to drive morph amout

[small fern]

it's just import a skeletal mesh, adjust morph value

done

[foggy shard]

based on velocity + height

[small fern]

yeah, nothing different on unity vs unreal there

same exact steps

[foggy shard]

but blueprints can save you a bit of time or can take away a bit of time

[small fern]

ah, well that's a topic on it's own

I tend to prototype in BP but still do real code in c++

I wish xamarin gets their c# integration for unreal done soon

they are working again on it

[foggy shard]

not sure if it's needed really? Do you get better performance?

[small fern]

they already had it for some really old unreal 4 version

well

blueprints and loops or math are just pain

I end up wiring things for minutes that I write in seconds if I use c++

and make less mistakes on c++ by doing that

[foggy shard]

nodes just isn't that good for that

[small fern]

yeah

also, I mainly do physics code myself

so I need all the perf I can get there

for regular gameplay scripting, blueprints are just fine for perf

and by physics code, I mean actual physics code, not just applying physx some forces

[foggy shard]

Like i know that i going to build simulation in c++ i don't think it even possible in blueprints //not for jam

[small fern]

definitely not for jam if you haven't done that line of work before

[foggy shard]

but opening doors and stuff very good with blueprints

[small fern]

you can do sim in bps though, it's just bit tedious to debug and do the math

[foggy shard]

and sometimes it is all the game needs

[foggy shard]

found batch save thing

T_T it's just googles strange

no it doesn't work

[velvet echo]

so much still to do

[foggy shard]

i am mostly worried about ui and ai

[velvet echo]

my AI is going to be super simple. target player, chase player, attack player.

i still haven't created an enemy model though

[tepid light]

My AI is dumb too

just runs around.

[velvet echo]

mine doesn't even run around. i'm doing spawns and they chase straight away.

[upbeat wren]

If anyone at all can help can you pop into #graphics please?

[velvet echo]

i haven't made any levels, all just mechanics and looks so far

[foggy shard]

yeah my ai should be just like this too

but also they shouldn't fight themselves and stuff

so tomorrow i going to tell myself that i can't do music till gameplay is complite

[tepid light]

so many things to do, so little time.

My game is about guns.. and I have no models yet.

[quartz flax]

@upbeat wren yo yo wasp been trying to PM but not sure if it's going through. Wanna know if to finish the demo I sent 😛

[upbeat wren]

@quartz flax sorry let me check, I've been struggling with this issue so I've been on track minded, send it over brother

[quartz flax]

oh i havent touched it...u said u needed to speak to some dudes lol

[upbeat wren]

ok 1 sec

sorry im all over lmao

[quartz flax]

lolol...here's fine too im not fussed 😛

[upbeat wren]

ill ping him now else ill get lost in time

[quartz flax]

i have the same problem

[tepid light]

I should have a week to balans my game.. I will have maybe 4 hours.

This will not end well

I either instakill everything or it takes ages to do so.

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124973-Epic-MegaJam-Submission-Thread

Someone already posted their game.

lol

[foggy shard]

basically it's almost just one day left

39 hours

[velvet echo]

no music for me

just have background wind and thunder instead

[slate salmon]

my mega jam has come to an end. my editor no longer prints strings so my primary way of debugging is now gone

i cant find any solution to this either

[tepid light]

I made a list of all the things that I still need to make or fix. It seems longer than the list of everything I made so far.

Are you printing to screen?

[slate salmon]

yeah they all worked just fine earlier. they suddenly stopped

i didnt change them, i had quite a few already made in several different BPs

[tepid light]

You can always print to log

[small fern]

you could just do the thing I do always when things go wrong

which is, wipe intermed + saved folders 😄

[tepid light]

It's on by default

[small fern]

(make backup first)

[slate salmon]

hmm

[tepid light]

There is an output log

[slate salmon]

where is this?

[small fern]

yeah, you can log into output log

it's enabled by default on print

[tepid light]

View and dev tools

I think

[small fern]

at least on BP

[tepid light]

Can't check right now

[small fern]

https://answers.unrealengine.com/storage/temp/4889-ue4print.png

[tepid light]

OK. It early morning here. Time to go to sleep. Cya

[small fern]

basically you need to have taht Print to Log enabled for it to work

but it should be like that by default

gnight

[slate salmon]

yeah this is what i have

good night

[gray cedar]

my print log stopped working as well

I must have pressed something

[small fern]

I've seen that happening occasionally too

but I don't use that much myself

I'm also occasionally having huge issues with the editor freezing, mouse right click getting disabled etc

whole editor has been super bugged for me since 4.11 or 4.12+

@slate salmon hmmmm

you know how to use Watches on blueprints?

you don't have to use printing to see the values on something

https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Blueprints/UserGuide/Debugging/#watchvalues

[gray cedar]

I'll try this. Thanks!

[rigid fog]

Guess it's time to join the fray

[tepid axle]

gah dont go to riverrun, bad things happen 😛

[upbeat wren]

http://i.imgur.com/kGb472e.png

http://i.imgur.com/2lms2ud.png

Nice and simple RNG system

[tepid axle]

lol this EULA update, Epic shouldnt put no refunds thats bad cuz the ACCC already hit Valve for trying to bypass our local consumer law

lawyers are funny like that, too lazy to travel so they try to use the law of a US state globally

national consumer law isnt something an individual can waive but maybe the lawyers knew that 😛

[upbeat wren]

EU law is good for me, i've had refunds from games i bought 3 years ago on psn

[tepid axle]

its why the ACCC goes to court on our behalf and they didnt waive anythin

yeah Steam didnt offer refunds in the early days, they still dont offer proper refunds but you can atleast get the value back to use on the store. Even places here say no refunds but its illegal not to offer one

[upbeat wren]

PSN said they couldnt help me set my ps4 back to my primary

so I refunded every last penny for the full 3 years I had the account

just went to the bank told them the score and told them to do a chargeback under eu consumer law

[tepid axle]

ahh yeah Banks tend to be good like that cuz they have a reputation they need to keep, every time Ive had wrong charges to my card they been really quick to resolve it

[glass fossil]

Did playtesting with other people today.
Take away one, people want combat statistics to be easily boiled down to one number.
Take away two, grammar police make good play testers as they tell you every place where the text is wrong 😃

[feral halo]

Yes

it lives

#ParlayIsReal

[uneven basin]

huh

so my tablet can run 32 bit builds

well, that eases up the testing

at like 10fps

[wind aspen]

Hey Jammers.😀

[uneven basin]

elloo

[feral halo]

Hey

so we have like 3/4 of a game to build in 1day

ezpz

[tepid axle]

lol sounds familiar

[wind aspen]

I got most of mine done, but the performance wasnt good. I am working on improving the performance

[tepid axle]

I guess the good thing about having a 51.5MB game is I can push the upload to the wire 😛

Im actually convinced I might be able to get it a tad smaller too lol

[feral halo]

@tepid axle Ours @ last check was 2.6Gb -.-

[tepid axle]

I bet yours looks and sounds heaps better 😉

but I do have my secret weapon... Crunk Juice XD

[foggy shard]

i don't know why I think I can finish in time

[tepid axle]

cuz you got 30hrs? 😛

thats still like 3 8hrs days ;0

[foggy shard]

yeah but all i got is nothing really

only like main mechanic

that dosn't work without things to hit

[tepid axle]

I dont even have that yet lol, Im just flying blind, teaches me for making something so complex

[foggy shard]

i need a character to hit things that move and hit back and i am done

[tepid axle]

I need all the things

my game doesnt have an interactive bone in its body yet XD

well theres a timer that ticks, its a start 😛

[olive steeple]

http://i.imgur.com/qBaQyr2.png

[wind aspen]

thats awesom

[hard silo]

First submission is in I saw in the thread!

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124973-Epic-MegaJam-Submission-Thread&p=607327&viewfull=1#post607327

[feral halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD07yKrUgIU&feature=youtu.be -.-

[frigid mist]

@feral halo sound like a horse

😛

[tepid axle]

he's got two halves of coconuts and he's bangin em together

[feral halo]

itll become clearer later

[tepid axle]

the pen is mightier than the sword

[velvet echo]

hmmm, i've never done ai with attacking, i guess i should learn that now for this jam

[wind aspen]

What type of attacking?

[velvet echo]

melee

trying to use behavior tree

[wind aspen]

yeah thats a bit trickier than firing projectiles

[velvet echo]

want him to chase player, then stop and do an attack, then chase again

so player has chance to move while enemy is attacking to avoid the attack

[wind aspen]

good thinking

[velvet echo]

but no idea how to do it yet

made a montage with a notify, and then got stuck with the next part

[uneven basin]

welp

I'm out of ideas

can't connect to anywhere

even lan games are timing out

[tepid light]

@velvet echo I have a melee attack for ai

[velvet echo]

using behavior trees?

i'm watching youtube clip atm for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Kb42oCoYg

[tepid light]

No. Controller checks the distance to the player...

Greater than melee range and it tells the bot to move. Lower than range and it plays the attack animation

Hit check is done by weapon overlapping player

[velvet echo]

probably easier that what i am doing

does it use event tick for move/attack?

[indigo harbor]

this is what im using for the jam

[tepid light]

And simple bool makes it so that it can only deal damage during the swing. Player can't randomly touch the weapon

[indigo harbor]

works pretty well

[tepid light]

I could never figure out one important thing for behavior trees

[velvet echo]

that's what i need fpwong. lol

[indigo harbor]

i'm not sure if im using behaviour trees properly though

coz i try to avoid making blackboard variables as much as i can

[tepid light]

How do I do: if you see the player immediately stop all you are doing and chase after him

[velvet echo]

you add a condition with an abort allshar

[indigo harbor]

yep

check the state= attacking branch

the ai moves from idle -> moving via aiperception

[velvet echo]

i need something like yours fpwong. i just don't have the BP's for all the tasks/services/etc

[indigo harbor]

you can replace my movetoactor with the default MoveTo

the within attack range is really simple

and then theres just playanimmontage and set state nodes

actually playanimmontage is a bit hard to setup properly...

to do rotation and changing state at the right time

@feral halo is there some documentation on how to make that 2nd camera on the top left?

[uneven basin]

I remember when windows was a good OS

now transferring files to tablet

and deleting old ones

wifi > hard drive

as in it's copying new files in faster than deleting old ones

[feral halo]

@indigo harbor I dont think so

We just made it

Its simple enough tho

[indigo harbor]

is it adding something to a widget or you had to go into c++ and make your own custom class?

[velvet echo]

if you set up move to actor, then get rid of the actor i was expecting them to stop, but they dont

[stable kiln]

pixar got nothing on me 😛

[indigo harbor]

@velvet echo

[feral halo]

@indigo harbor custom C++

[frigid mist]

what is the limit day for the jam ?

[velvet echo]

not sure what is happening with my BT but my task's AIMoveTo is getting a result of aborted

[indigo harbor]

I had heard there were some bugs in the 4.13 with AIMoveTo

[velvet echo]

you aren't using AIMoveTo?

[indigo harbor]

nah

if i remember correctly it doesn't follow a moving target

[velvet echo]

i changed to MoveToLocationOrActor instead, that worked

my AIMoveTo was bugging out, it would keep aborting each call

[indigo harbor]

yea currently I calculate a new path using the navmesh every .1 seconds

probably want to make your own moveto task

[velvet echo]

can't get playanimmontage to work anyway

[foggy shard]

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20161013T14&p0=207&msg=Epic+MegaJam+Deadline

[velvet echo]

oh, didn't add a slot for it

[uneven basin]

phew

finally got the steam multiplayer to work

...kinda

it's janky as hell, but it works

[glass fossil]

someone already submitted https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124973-Epic-MegaJam-Submission-Thread

i knew that i will get to see alot of low poly art

or voxel art

based games

[frigid mist]

don't need to be only that

last years was many hand painted

included me XDD

[glass fossil]

link to it ?

[frigid mist]

If I don't remember bad even one of the winners was hand painted

or used one of these new apps that paint all styilized

let me finc the link

[glass fossil]

substance ?

[frigid mist]

yeah I imagine you can use today substance for that too

[glass fossil]

i like these types of games over realistic

[frigid mist]

to play or to make

[glass fossil]

both

😄

i play more than i make

[frigid mist]

@glass fossil https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?87375-Epic-MegaJam-Submission-Thread!

that are the complete list of last year

first one is the mine 😃

there only the video keep alive

XDD

[glass fossil]

oh i have seen yours nice 😃

[frigid mist]

I painted that in Blender haha

HD quality

[glass fossil]

nice you did everything 😃

one man army

[frigid mist]

more or less yeah ha

and finished 2 days before

XD

but I remember spend the other 2 days making the video etc

[glass fossil]

i was one man army and then a 3d artist joined me 😄

[frigid mist]

that is nice

[glass fossil]

too many members is not good actually

[frigid mist]

that jam not found a single one that wanted to join me

[velvet echo]

@indigo harbor i got the attacking to work how i want, thanks for the help

[tepid axle]

theres only one no man army 😛

[frigid mist]

what about the sky ?

[tepid axle]

its trademarked

[frigid mist]

is true

how No Mans Sky was released

now you remind me that

[tepid axle]

No Mans Fruit

[frigid mist]

that is not related with bananas then

@glass fossil by the way what stylized games you play ?

[tepid axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-a9SYlJkKs

[foggy shard]

oh god why there is no random seed in fmod?

[tepid light]

I have no idea how to balance my game. I'm starting to get worried.

[foggy shard]

is it random?

or multiplayer?

[tepid light]

Single player, but a lot of random stuff

[sharp berry]

28 hours and 26min left, hope i gonna make it

[tepid axle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/alien-macabre-k4EpQLLFV6byo

[wind aspen]

Hows everyones jam?

[tepid light]

Its going ok. But still a lot of fatures are missing and I can't decide what to cut.

[wind aspen]

Sorry, what is missing?

[tepid light]

*features.

Well... One thing is going great. My game is 83.6 MB in size.

That means all my assets are only 4MB 😃

and I have 15 MB for sound effects.

Also, I don't yet have a name for my game.

[sharp berry]

Then just do <TeamName>_<JamTheme>

always works with jams

So much work to do still

[granite lion]

@tepid light you're not using textures or very small ones?

[sharp berry]

My project is atm 71.4MB (packaged)

[tepid light]

Most have a resolution of 64 by 64

so they are not very big

[granite lion]

Nice,.. we have no time at all for optimisation

[sharp berry]

It helps a bit to convert all audio to 16-bit 11K Hz Mono

[tepid light]

Well, my game looks like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pahuRb7ucs

Yea, sound wont take much space.

everything from http://www.superflashbros.net/as3sfxr/

[granite lion]

Still wouldn't say assets are below 5Mb :)

[tepid light]

all assets are standard UE4 Shapes.

cubes and cylinders

mostly

[granite lion]

Yeah

Anyway, Good luck

[sharp berry]

Too much stuff!! Arrrrrrrgg

[tepid axle]

lol tell me about it, is that all your BP 😛

[sharp berry]

Thats just the GameMode

My whole game is using only 2 widgets, 1 for menu and ingame ui, 1 widget to spawn option buttons

[uneven basin]

yuss

Functional build success

so lets back that one up and everything from here on is bonus content

[tepid axle]

I got 15 widgets and 3 game BPs

[sharp berry]

Why so many widgets?

Much easier to have it all in 1

[tepid axle]

😃

nah it really isnt

Im generating parts of my UI so I use wrappers

[sharp berry]

My editor is breaking

I never used Enums this much, never used Structures or Datatables, and I must say, I learned a lot again this jam 😄

[uneven basin]

I learned how to panic when you get "connection timeout" error

[tepid axle]

http://puu.sh/rGszl/19318adbd4.jpg

this might explain it abit 😛

[foggy shard]

no i am not worried that i only just started doing controlls and ai and stuff

[sharp berry]

Im only starting with the actual gameplay today...

😄

[foggy shard]

yeah this what i do

[sharp berry]

27 hours, dont worry and dont panic

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20161013T14&p0=207&msg=Epic+MegaJam+Deadline

[tepid axle]

as you can see I spent all my time on graphics 😃

I should really fix that phrase before I move on

[sharp berry]

I dont see how Hang-Man is related to "Settle the Score" (it was my first idea tbh :P)

[foggy shard]

i was writing music that i don't like now

https://youtu.be/tgWI1W343Tg test

[sharp berry]

Making music that sounded awesome while making it, but absolute garbage the next day is normal

My soundcloud is filled with it 😄

[tepid axle]

well its abit more than just regular hang-man, its about making Epic suffer not knowing what the phrase is too, bit of payback plus its a time attack game

so theres alot of things that relate to the theme

I also wanted to show its not all about graphics, least I want to if I can get it done 😛

[sharp berry]

I wish that this UI would be more user-friendly (mouse cursor is going all over the place)

[tepid axle]

obviously thats all for me though and I get that not everyone will understand thats why Im not competing with anyone but myself here 😃

I coulda just tacked onto a template, thrown some assets together but Im using all of 1 open sourced font to make this, Ive made the entire thing from scratch in the time given

[mint flint]

@sharp berry you have another hour or so more than that. deadline is end of stream tomorrow

[sharp berry]

Last 2 hours I reserved for last minute "Fuck, I missed that bug" fixes

[mint flint]

whooo last minute fixes 😃 Nothing could go wrong there 😛

could not possibly break your jam entry and forget to hook back up the middle levels like I did last year lol

[sharp berry]

Im not too worried about that, it's pretty straight forward

[mint flint]

that was a pun wasn't it

if not it should have been 😃

man I love your little figures

[sharp berry]

They can get angry and happy 😄

[mint flint]

I need to go in and replace my static cube "character" from my example project and make a new one that has actual definition lol

[sharp berry]

I made only 1 master class for the NPC's (they are all NPC)

This way the least amount of time was required to have them animated properly for their side and their own Court-Job (like Judge and Typist)

[mint flint]

😃

learning to "abuse" parent/child classes is like the best feeling in the world as a programmer

[tepid axle]

ahh 3d makes me wish Id gone that route myself 😛

[mint flint]

"I can only do things once and still have things different?!?!"

[sharp berry]

I felt like McGuyver for a sec 😄

[mint flint]

It's why I love programming. When shit starts to come together you get so amped up.

You are in the corner screaming "whoo my guy can move" and everyone else is giving you weird looks heh

[sharp berry]

Hahaha yea

People will see only a Dialog-Option-Click game, but I know what it makes ticking 😄

[tepid axle]

I didnt have much choice cuz I needed the unicode to generate the cipher text, the text renderer is limited and I couldnt make that many textures

[mint flint]

"But look at it!!! look at it!!! all of the art is using 1 texture!!! my god man look at it"

[tepid axle]

this way though I can generate non repeating ciphers for a large dictionary of phrases 😛

[sharp berry]

We should form a team for the November Jam

My OCD is still being triggered by the wiring

[pine fulcrum]

UE4 MegaJam playthroughs Oct 17th 9am PST

[tepid axle]

I wish they would have the overlap like electronics engineering wires so you can see they go over the top instead of just getting all mixed up

[sharp berry]

like this

[tepid axle]

yeah they need a little hoop that jumps over

[pine fulcrum]

What an enum

[tepid axle]

why not just use a list of names 😛

[sharp berry]

Because I need it more than once 😄

[pine fulcrum]

Aye, only commenting on enum names themselves

[tepid axle]

certainly an interesting idea, will have to give this one a shot

shame you cant get law and order characters in there

[pine fulcrum]

BUM BUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3MuUTmXNk

[sharp berry]

© prevents using that sound :p

[tepid axle]

lol yeah mr wolf would not be pleased

I dont mind that LA one, its bit better than UK

[mint flint]

@sharp berry you upset about the line not being straight in your BP?

[sharp berry]

Yea, I just deleted the thing

[mint flint]

you can always use the align tools to fix it as well 😃

[tepid axle]

do I get to hit people with a judge hammer in your game? 😛

whack-a-mole but you get to hit lawyers instead lol

[sharp berry]

Guy on the left looks angry 😄

[mint flint]

lol the eyes

should have like little text that pops up going "grrrrrr..."

[sharp berry]

Awesome Realism Drawing skills :x

[tepid axle]

what is that purple thing on her head?

[sharp berry]

the yellow block you mean?

[tepid axle]

or is that a he on the right :S

gender fluid court, Jerry Springer would be proud

[sharp berry]

Red = Enemy, Blue = You, Grey Hair guy is the Judge, the pink/purple is the typist

[tepid axle]

fair enough lol

[sharp berry]

The glowing block just shows whose turn it is atm

[tepid axle]

least your characters look better than mine 😃

[sharp berry]

the Typist has no ingame meaning, but script-wise it's the backbone

[tepid axle]

I did want to have an online database I could update but I didnt have time to implement it, Im gonna be pushing it as it is

that way I could add cipher lists and phrases later without it bloating the download size

might do it later cuz I need an excuse to use my domain 😛

[sharp berry]

MY LOOP WORKS!!!!! QUICK GRAB THE FIREWORKS!!!

[tepid axle]

Im curious how big it'd be if I used HTML packaging, its kinda small enough to load decently as a web game

[sharp berry]

Weeeeeee 😄

Now its just a matter of filling in the DataTables and the Win/Lose condition 😛

[tepid axle]

↜ hmm lol

[sharp berry]

What is that for character? o0

[tepid axle]

lol Im making a cipher set with all unicode arrows

↟↟↟↟↟ woo its a forest

[frigid mist]

tomorrow is the end ?

[sharp berry]

Yes

[frigid mist]

I want to check your game @topaz scroll

[sharp berry]

26 hours and 27 min left

[uneven basin]

hm

never had this one before

building lights fails

after adding foliage

[mint flint]

burn it all!

[uneven basin]

I probably should

saves me the trouble

I mean main menu is same map as the game map

just different gamemode

[sharp berry]

Getting the End-Game to work seems a little hard 😄

[mint flint]

Just have it pop up "You a Winner" and fade to black

[sharp berry]

I made dialoge texts for the Judge :p

I also made some work for an "Objection!" call, but not enough time to actually implement it 😦

[mint flint]

aww damn

[tepid axle]

save it for the stretch goal 😛

[uneven basin]

aww, blueprint cant change camera post process settings

on run

[uneven basin]

spam

[frail palm]

My process so far.

Sorry.

[uneven basin]

no prob

[frail palm]

I just though I might show off.

Kinda nervious if I'm going to make the deadline.

[uneven basin]

25 or so hours to go

[mint flint]

@uneven basin you should be able to change the camera post process settings in the Blueprints

[uneven basin]

well I tried setting post process settings, it gave me dead end node

which usually means its not exposed

[mint flint]

get the camera, set post process?

[uneven basin]

ye

[mint flint]

and then use a make post process node and plug it into the input

[uneven basin]

http://pasteboard.co/e819BqseP.png

[mint flint]

yep and click on the make post process settings and set the settings

because it has so many options it's a special node

[uneven basin]

oh

[mint flint]

yep they did that because when they allowed splitting it the node itself was HUGE

[uneven basin]

well they should do like add pin + dropdown what to change

but I was kinda hoping to change the DOF focal distance to match the spring arm

can't do it like this

[mint flint]

sure you can

check the option and watch the node change

[uneven basin]

duh

[mint flint]

profit?

[uneven basin]

yea

I admit, me dumb

[tepid light]

hmm.. I think I broke something..

each time I open my project in tells me that I need to rebuild lighting.

even if I rebuild, save and open it back again

[uneven basin]

yea mine broke too

now It constantly wants to save one particular widget

after breaking light bake in one map

not sure why

em

ok I tried setting that focal distance

it disables the effect

lets try not put it on tick ->

yup

I guess I need to set everything in that node

and that sounds like a lot of work

[mint flint]

yeah I don't think the post processing at runtime is a very "sleek" option =/

alot of setup work then adjusting afterwards

[uneven basin]

I just wanted it to keep the focal point synched with camera height

[feral halo]

So many sound assets

[glass fossil]

nice 😃

[foggy shard]

is it ok to use mixamo?

[mint flint]

it is ok

and I would say more than a few people are doing it 😃

[rigid fog]

Only have 24hours ish

crunch is real

[mint flint]

damn I should get started on mine then

[rigid fog]

😉

[glass fossil]

@foggy shard you can use mixamo but you need to disclose it with your submission

[foggy shard]

i will probably just put long text on how i did things in this disclose thing

[feral halo]

fucking finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuiMJE0uNTs&feature=youtu.be

[uneven basin]

final testing starts in ..

when wifi transfers 150mb of datas

ooor not, I forgot to update gameinstance with new map names

2 strings, takes 10 minutes to fix

aand it is done

aww, 139mb

[tepid light]

Hmm... I spawn emitter attached to component, and even though the particle doesn't use local space it still rotates.

how can I make a particle use global coords?

[foggy shard]

how to do this animation blending then arms do one thing and hands another?

[tepid light]

for example smoke: always goes up, no matter the rotation

[foggy shard]

or how you call it

[tepid light]

blendspace

or offset

hands do one thing legs another is anim offset

[uneven basin]

89MB for shipping build \o/

lets see if it works

and it does work

[tepid light]

gj

[brittle lintel]

ima play all of your games sooo goood

[rigid fog]

@uneven basin what MB did you start off with?

[uneven basin]

Started with starter content

after removing extra assets

it was 180'ish

plugins were about 30

[rigid fog]

what plugins WERE you using? lol...

[uneven basin]

or 40

all of them 😄

[rigid fog]

Mine only took off like 3

[uneven basin]

3 different VR, google play, ios store you name it

[tepid light]

well, sounds in my game suck. Maybe it's better to just leave it silent?

[uneven basin]

and submitted

except now that I noticed

it's not using steam

[sharp berry]

@tepid light Game without sound is even worse

21 hours, 56 minutes left

Disclosed content:

• All of the photos for the textures were taken from http://www.textures.com

Is this a requirement?

Telling where you got your textures from?

[rigid fog]

Of course it is

If you did not take the photos yourself, you have to disclose where you got it

*create textures by hand

ANYTHING not made from scratch needs to be disclosed pretty much

[sharp berry]

But what if I processed it in Photoshop before using them?

[rigid fog]

...

It's not that hard man

Anyone using Substance has to disclose it

It is the same thing

You did not take any pictures for your textures, so you used a source, that's a sourced asset

[foggy shard]

this what i don't understand

were is the line for that

[sharp berry]

Victor just said where the line is, If source != yours, -> disclose it

[foggy shard]

like for example kit bashing? is it ok?

[sharp berry]

Kits, templates = source != yours -> disclose it

[foggy shard]

no if you did it before game jam too

[rigid fog]

Sigh

If you did anything PRIOR to game jam, you are REQUIRED to disclose it

So, what does it matter?

[glass fossil]

^

if you used outside sources for content, or use your own content that you prepared before the jam, then you have a possible advantage

thus it must be disclosed

[sharp berry]

I'll take this in to consideration at the next jam when planning it out, first few hours -> Photo time!

to late to do it now

[rigid fog]

The "line" if anything would be things like DCC apps, like Blender, Maya, MODO, if you created 100% from scratch a model.

IF you bought an asset and just modified it in a DCC, that's sourced

With nods

mods*

[sharp berry]

To be sure, definition of scratch = Non-existend prior start time of the Jam

[rigid fog]

DCC includes photoshop too

Yeah

Anything created prior to gamejam needs to be disclosed

[sharp berry]

Thanks bro

[rigid fog]

But technically, you could have made it from scratch

But, it still falls under that "disclose" clause

[glass fossil]

Also, just in case anyone is wondering, Alex has defined Mixamo/Fuse as needing to be disclosed as well.

[rigid fog]

Yeah, there are people doing rigs/animations by hand

And that wouldn't be fair

[sharp berry]

I've used http://www.superflashbros.net/as3sfxr/ to make the 8-bit UI sounds

It's an online synthesizer

Is that required to be disclosed?

It's based on pre-sets, but using an Synthesizer in Fruityloops, Cubase, Reason or alike is the same (except offline), so this is a bit vague to me

[uneven basin]

argh

last minute bugs

so, for some reason shipping does not include steam stuff

only dev build

[mint flint]

the easiest solution would be to just put in the post what you used 😃 won't hurt you if they don't need it.

[sharp berry]

Good point, better save then sorry

[foggy shard]

Can i modify post after submitting?

[mint flint]

up until the deadline yeah

[foggy shard]

so i need some time to write compose it then

[sharp berry]

Be sure to update the "Reason" field when updating your post

[foggy shard]

oh ok then

[sharp berry]

For reason and time tracking, easier for own use

(makes you feel save too, at least i did that like that in the september jam 😛 )

[uneven basin]

!!!

I have to use dev build to get this working

which puts me from 89mb to 138

[sharp berry]

RIP 100mb-goal

[uneven basin]

I reject the editors reality and substitute my own

[glass fossil]

oh god it's almost there, almost have balance after two days of pure balancing

lesson learned about complexity of having 10's of variables in every calculation

[sharp berry]

@glass fossil Will you do a "top 5 jam entries" for Light needs to be rebuild? 😛

[glass fossil]

I will definitely do a retrospective both on things done wrong, and things learned.

[pine fulcrum]

FINISH BALANCING SO YOU CAN DEMO AT MEETUP

[foggy shard]

Error Unknown Cook Failure good stuff

[glass fossil]

need to add sound effects/music so demo can happen at meetup 😆

[pine fulcrum]

Awww yeah

[sharp berry]

Meetup? You guys going to have a meetup?

[glass fossil]

http://www.meetup.com/Seattle-Unreal-Engine-4-Meetup/events/234536183/

[uneven basin]

last squeeze

[manic ether]

Gah, forgot that's tonight.

.<

[uneven basin]

131

[sharp berry]

My laziness is at its peak

[uneven basin]

right, so it's an engine bug that it doesn't include steam properly to shipping build

thus im 40mb over the 100-limit

[rigid fog]

I'm curious as to how people got their shipping builds under 65MB clean

[silver swan]

im using dynamic lighting which removed lightmaps for lvls, not sure whether ill make it under 100mb though

[sharp berry]

I've read some people saying that UE4 empty project package = 40mb

[rigid fog]

That's a lie

Empty would be like 140ish

then taking the steps in the docs + 32bit build got it down to 65MB

Still 35MB to play with, and I doubt I'd need it, but I am really curious how people get their games under 50mb

Or how they did it before for Play Store

Tappy Chicken was 32MB

[quiet dawn]

@small fern clamed he got an empty project down to 30is mb

[dull basin]

around 800mb here!! 😂

[rigid fog]

lol @dull basin

I haven't even really started mine yet

[foggy shard]

just remove all not important stuff

like standart hdr image

[rigid fog]

I've been trying to get this thing as close to 50MB as possible

[foggy shard]

for sky

it's like 6mb

[rigid fog]

I removed all non essential plugins

and followed the docs

I don't even need physx

but can't seem to kill it from build

[foggy shard]

Black list files and stuff

from engine

also build for 32 bits

[rigid fog]

aye

[foggy shard]

\Engine\Content\EngineMaterials\WorldGridMaterial.uasset is like 4.9 MB

fonts folder 13.8 MB

[silver swan]

i got it down to 118 mb with 4 decent sized lvls custom meshes @random parcel soundvis plugin and 4 .ogg tracks.... i removed prerequistes which shaved off about 30mb i assume those wont be needed for epic or anyone who has the engine installed to play...im scared to go much further though in case i break packaging lol

but 18mb off 100 so close

[random parcel]

Hopefully my plugin adds these 18mb

[silver swan]

lol

[random parcel]

What? you don't need 4k textures? Sorry ):

[mint flint]

man it's like voodoo getting the project down

[rigid fog]

hmm, just have to figure out which folders you can disable from engine

[silver swan]

i found the 32 bit build fails but 64 bit is fine not sure why that is happening

[sharp berry]

final build = 71.5MB

[rigid fog]

Hmm

I don't think my blacklist is working actually

[topaz scroll]

I won't be able to submit this time 😄 we had release week inthe office and the game is not even half done xD

while I do think to upload all the procedural level code ^^

[rigid fog]

booo

[topaz scroll]

xD

[proven badge]

http://imgur.com/w6RelpS
Sneak peak - legit way to prevent your boat from sinking

[topaz scroll]

@rigid fog life mate xD

[rigid fog]

heh @proven badge

@topaz scroll Don't we all know it

[topaz scroll]

yeah mate xD

[tepid light]

lol

Well, my game is 89MB with over 7 min of soundtrack and some other sound assets.

I'm almost feature complete so that leaves me with few hours tomorrow to balance and bug fix

but one more day would be perfect

[topaz scroll]

31MB here xD

[tepid light]

why/how

[rigid fog]

WTF

[topaz scroll]

Precedural approach, plus no engine content, plus custom engine fixing crashes due to no engine conetnt, plus custom stripping of windows libs in exe etc

[rigid fog]

Ah

I'm working with Launcher build

[topaz scroll]

The custom engine is just for the build

[feral halo]

Slowly getting there

[topaz scroll]

ok was xD

[rigid fog]

Don't think my blacklist is working

[topaz scroll]

so @tepid light don't worry about me xD

@rigid fog it isn't in 4.13

[rigid fog]

Ah, maybe 4.13 added some fluff

[tepid light]

@topaz scroll Did you do all of that just for fun or is there a reason? Did you plan on having a lot of assets or was it just to check how low you can go?

[topaz scroll]

my exe is only 8MB xD

just to check how low In can go

Like nearly all of the time I had for the jam went into this xD

[tepid light]

any my other quesion: did you check if it works on more than one computer? 😃

[topaz scroll]

yes xD

MP xD

while McAfee says it's a virus xD

but yeah you can go way under 100 MB xD

@tepid light also try to nativize your BPs

I even wrote a syntesizer for tye music xD

[rigid fog]

Question

[topaz scroll]

0 Texturesm 0 waves

[rigid fog]

Shipping Build- WindowsNoEditor is the Platform right?

[topaz scroll]

yes

[rigid fog]

Or do I have to specify Win32 ?

Hmm

No idea what's going on then

[topaz scroll]

are you using UFE?

[rigid fog]

nope

[topaz scroll]

ok just go to youes engine folder

Binaries/Win64/UnrealFrontend.exe

there you can create profiles for your builds

once mine is done (just checking for the final size) I'll post some screenshots of my shipping profile

[rigid fog]

damn, no win32 version huh

anyway

not in launcher

maybe..

found it

[topaz scroll]

you could with a source build

[rigid fog]

what is this magic

[topaz scroll]

XD

[rigid fog]

so much red

[uneven basin]

anyone have a good blacklist for engine content?'

[topaz scroll]

Just exlude it entirely

[sharp berry]

Why are my UI's not centered in packaged game, but running them in Editor its fine (ive set the anchors properly..)

[topaz scroll]

You may have sone crashes though

[uneven basin]

gotta look into tomorrow

or, today

its past midnight anyway

only need 30mb

or so

[rigid fog]

hmm

I got it down to 53MB

I'll play around with this more after gamejam

Now I am very interested in how they get it down to the 20s and 30s

[small fern]

sorcery

50's are just fine

[feral halo]

@sharp berry thats your jam project?

[sharp berry]

yea

[feral halo]

Holy shit

[sharp berry]

But i'm having serious UI problems

[feral halo]

nice

Mine still looks like this

[sharp berry]

the buttons functions are a lower then the actual button

[rigid fog]

This is how mine looks: https://gyazo.com/fa2d4dfe5dbfebafda1015d068f019e6

So, anyone with anything is better than mine

[sharp berry]

Windowed has no problem, Fullscreen broken UI...

[feral halo]

But at least we have musics and sounds

[rigid fog]

cool, got rid of all the annoying engine problems

[topaz scroll]

@sharp berry I had that with the ortho camera

[rigid fog]

now I can finally build a game

[sharp berry]

Pawn Camera influences the UI?

[topaz scroll]

might be

[sharp berry]

stuff gets wierd using ortho

The ui problem is like the actual buttons are exactly under the buttons

[feral halo]

Floor

I need to breakup the swirl a bit i guess

[foggy shard]

quick question how to exit root motion animation early and not brake capsule rotation?

[upbeat wren]

https://images-1.discordapp.net/.eJwNyMsNwyAMANBdGICPMQlkG0QQiZpghB31UHX39h3fRz3zUps6RAZvxuwnF5q7ZqGZW9WNqF01j5N1odtkkVyOu3ZhA94BIsY1gfVgg1v-FWKCZXXeWwgYMZmnvzq9ux69qe8PBW8i1A.tdYnGjRfe_I0yZSgwIAqsGqOrtE

harambe, he comes

[upbeat wren]

@dull basin if that's your entry that is beautiful and insane

[feral halo]

Ye holy crap thats brilliant if its done in a week

or heck in 3 months that looks awesome

[proven badge]

yep, all from scratch

[tepid light]

@upbeat wren I'm actually impressed by your effort and dedicaton in bringing us memes.

[upbeat wren]

thats insane

[tepid light]

I still don't have a name for my game

[feral halo]

You all took the week off or?

[upbeat wren]

@tepid light man, I've been up for 3 days, i've had so much caffine, nootropics that I've even ended up doing blueprints... i never do blueprints

[proven badge]

ofc we did

[feral halo]

@proven badge

[dull basin]

yeah

[feral halo]

Ah we still had work

[proven badge]

and shit loads of cofffee

• energy drinks

+food supplies

[sharp berry]

Ok, screw it... Windowed it is

[feral halo]

@proven badge Cant wait to play that - looks similar in concept to ours but with waaay more time put into it

[sharp berry]

My tester is playing my game now, if thats a thumbs up i uploads it

[upbeat wren]

@sharp berry Good luck man, your other entry was great fun

[sharp berry]

Thanks 😃

[upbeat wren]

Man, my quality at the start was insanely good

now I'm using blueprints and crossing wires like crazy

dat timer, it haunts me

[sharp berry]

Omg, I got thumbs down 😢

[tepid light]

Yea... I always start with my blueprints so clear and well designed. Now it's chaos.

[tepid light]

When bullet hits a bot it informs him that he dies. Bot informs the interface that the score shoule be modified. Interace informs player controller. player controller informs hud widget, that runs an even on one of its children to display the score...

I'm ashamed.

[upbeat wren]

@tepid light the thing is, I dont even use BPs, I hate them but i've ended up using them with time smashing down

[tepid light]

But that is the biggest chain of failiure that I could find.

I think blueprints are greate.

[upbeat wren]

http://i.imgur.com/CnWlqdW.png

[tepid light]

*great

[upbeat wren]

I aint even mad

lol

see them lines man

haha

[tepid light]

pfff. that looks clean 😛

[upbeat wren]

http://i.imgur.com/29uhItl.png

meanwhile in C+ masterace

[rigid fog]

Hmmm, C+ a new language?

[feral halo]

http://i.imgur.com/3jkbDQV.jpg

[upbeat wren]

@rigid fog I'm just not obsessed with having to add an extra +, I'm sure abbrievating it won't be too bad, lots of smart people to deduce what it refers to

[rigid fog]

You should have just used C in that case

Or nothing at all

[upbeat wren]

You're a bit weird aren't you? I bet you nit pick every wee thing

[rigid fog]

A bit weird, nah.

Nit pick, nope.

You seem easily offended though.

😪

[upbeat wren]

haha what

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/63823475-307e-4585-8e4c-5de9500af302/52c9822c-ecb7-4d15-8fa2-66a461c2836c.jpg

[proven badge]

When all planned art assets are done and you wait on coders to catch up

[upbeat wren]

@proven badge gobsmacked at how amazing your work is

[proven badge]

aww thanks

credit for characters goes to @dull basin

i'm a rigger / animator

well i model to, but not organics

[small fern]

we need a new rule to game jams

don't let jakayaki and slap work together 😉

[dull basin]

😱 !!!!

[proven badge]

post-jam condition

[upbeat wren]

Whats the gameplay like?

[proven badge]

pvp naval battle arena

[safe halo]

whelp, just broke my project. time to think about assuming the post-jam condition early and just wait to play slapunas'

that looks siiiick!

[sharp berry]

I've submitted it: https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124973-Epic-MegaJam-Submission-Thread&p=608275&viewfull=1#post608275

[small fern]

ha

someone put a placeholder above you

[sharp berry]

ye i saw

[small fern]

ah, the first post didn't say not to do that

pretty sure the actual megajam thread did though

[sharp berry]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?122362

that participation list

its insane

[small fern]

lol

wonder how many of those just gave up and if there's more new submissions

[velvet echo]

how's the games going?

just under 18 hours to go

[sharp berry]

I've just submitted my entry

[small fern]

heh

pretty sure we'll not get 400 submissions

that's from current list

I did count myself there too as I'm still on the list :p

poor @pine fulcrum

gotta wonder how people at allegorithmic will find time to judge the entries 😄

I kind wonder that on Epic too

[sharp berry]

If all 418 would submit their entry,if each of them is played 5min and there is no time between the previous and the next game, it will only be a sitting of 34 hours and 50min or so

[small fern]

heh

if they get 400+

gotta wonder if they'll still do this next year 😄

[sharp berry]

lol, why not

Its EPIC MEGA jam after all

[small fern]

well, just judging these will be one month of full work if single person did it

and it's bit bad if just one people judges..

so it'll mean several months of work

oh wow

I can't count

40 hours is just one week

nevermind 😄

[sharp berry]

All submissions will be featured in a highlight reel posted to our YouTube and shown on Twitch. All winning members will receive an Epic swag bag amongst numerous other items, a "Game Jam Finalist" forum badge, a featured playthrough on the October 27 Twitch stream, as well as a highlight on Unreal Engine blog!

2 weeks, gg 😛

[small fern]

heh

[sharp berry]

Will Allar do a playtrough?

ahhh, my task bar.... It's good to see you again. It has been a while.

[tepid light]

One more feature to add

and my game will be completed

• I need to balance it

and guns have no models. I think they will have to remain with programmer art

[velvet echo]

i'm adding a win condition, then add some more levels and it is complete

then i will see if there are any other features i want to add, and do some polish

[tepid light]

I added a game over screen and a lose condition 1 hour ago.

[velvet echo]

oh, and some more UI... win screen, lose screen, currently it just jumps to the menu again

[tepid light]

There is no winning in my game