I bought three pairs of headphones.
#lounge
north torrent
Who were less that $10usd.
The other cost about $90usd.
These haven't been sold in over a year, but I found some left over in a sketchy warehouse store in China.
Then buy one.
Or buy 4. Put one on each arm and leg.
light spruce
that's ... not where I would put it
neon crystal
Does anyone have a game idea? 3D game
mossy nexus
Yes.
neon crystal
I have nothing with u
foggy path
A rally game with guns
a Judge Dredd based first person shooter
Discord moderator The Videogame
:D
An 80s Miami drug smuggling game
mossy nexus
A maze in which you are chased my ghosts of the innocent souls you have killed in your previous life. You earn points by planting spoons in the ground and eating turnips.
foggy path
frankly if I had enough time I'd make all the ideas I just listed
who says they are bad ideas
mossy nexus
Timmy does, apparently
zinc matrix
Want game ideas? Send me a DM!
foggy path
A fighting game where you generate rabbits in a giant greenhouse.
:D
so... a fighting rabbit sex game
oh no
:D
A shooting game where you slap barbarians to prevent an evil plot in an abandoned hospital forever.
yep.
mossy nexus
A puzzle game where you fling heroes to make virtual money in a laboratory.
A horror game where you wave at bears for mysterious reasons during World War I.
A simulation game where you stare at spiders to stop a giant asteroid from hitting Earth.
A role-playing game where you perform experiments on monkeys to score points in cyberspace but you're a monster.
A puzzle game where you fling heroes to make virtual money in a laboratory.
lone grail
I always have millions of ideas, I have hundreds of projects because of it lol
mossy nexus
Yeah the bear and spider one
lone grail
Gangly spiderman
foggy path
I had a fun idea for a survival horror game where you play as a mouse
like.. an actual mouse
and the survival horror aspects would mostly be the fact that the cat keeps stalking you and tries to kill you the whole time
lol
lone grail
I think not being able to come up with an idea for your game is a bad start to making games ๐คทโโ๏ธ
foggy path
I think people can probably come up with ideas but it's easy to be very critical
like.. it's not a good idea because X Y Z
foggy path
my current project is basically just a stupid idea that we came up with for a gamejam and it actually turned out sort of fun and people are saying they would buy it if we put it on steam lol
lone grail
Start with a genre, then perspective, then simple idea for plot like 1 sentence worth, bada boom bada bing
Nice
My game is First Person Demon's Souls with directional combat essentially
lone grail
Lol
mossy nexus
Wouldn't surprise me if that's already been done! ๐
lone grail
There's so many simulator games I hate the term simulator lol
foggy path
Yeah there's a lot of games with a similar premise but not exactly this particular one
mossy nexus
I remember someone was thinking of releasing a Rock simulator.
foggy path
the gamejam actually had a couple of similar ideas too but they were all a little bit different from our approach
lone grail
Lol I remember that clip
light spruce
One of those terribly controlled frustration games where the entire point is to try and keep your erection from escaping your shirt collar during a job interview.
lone grail
What in the shit?
dim ruin
Its funny that they list Unity for gaming when Unity has only ever used fucking mono
even for .NET 5 they've already said it would be the mono version once supported
lone grail
Microsoft seems to favor unity and always mentions it when talking c# no matter if .net is involved lol
foggy path
well it's still .NET even if it's Mono
dim ruin
.NET equivelant
lone grail
That's true
dim ruin
yeah it's still not actual .NET, it just supports the same api
lone grail
Seems fishy
dim ruin
otherwise, mono would have disappeared when .NET went crossplatform
fluid bloom
I have bad memories of unity
dim ruin
I like the simplicity of the architecture. Its a hell of a lot clearer than UE4's codebase lol but UE4 is much more robust and powerful
fluid bloom
I was developing and maintaining this general purpose SDK/library at a game studio and then the senior coder in charge of us was like "no don't handle exceptions, let unity catch them"
and I'm like wut
a library that other teams use shouldn't do that
๐
foggy path
๐ค
dim ruin
lol
foggy path
I guess it sorta depends
If it's something you could handle then it would make sense to handle it
but not necessarily everything
lone grail
I like how unity docs shows example of thing it explains, unreal should do that
dim ruin
or atleast allow for a debug build to catch
foggy path
Yeah Unity's docs are great... Unreal's are like a maze of despair
dim ruin
agreed
lone grail
Yeah
fluid bloom
@foggy path don't remember the exact case
foggy path
The docs are likely to exist if you can first find the correct page... but then you'll discover it doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know
lol
lone grail
The only things I need is when I look up something ue specific just 1 line to see how it's used and parameters
foggy path
the one good thing about the docs is that it'll show the module most C++ things belong to so you'll know what to plug into the dependencies list if it nags about that
but that's about it for their usefulness
lone grail
Yeah lol
foggy path
to be fair they do cover things like the gameplay framework and other high level topics reasonably well
dim ruin
other than that, you're best bet is digging through the gigantic source
lone grail
Best bet is to find forums using said thing lol
dim ruin
even the forums and answerhub can be dodgy. this discord is the most active place I think
lone grail
Yeah I just like finding things people complain about go right to the answer just to see an example of how to use a thing lol
median wraith
.Net 5 didn't release yet
and you need Mono for cross platform
as Core still isn't feature equal until the 5.0
and still dont know how extensive cross platform it is
.NET Desktop Runtime and .NET Runtime are split
so it seems like .NET 5 still don't have all Mono features cross platform
someone says until NET 6 not gona happen
and actually parts of .NET 5 run on mono and not the other way :p
in the cores
fathom wadi
I thought the entire point of .NET 5.0 was to create cross-compatibility
or rather build tools that allow it
soft night
fresh heath
lone grail
But why?
vast coyote
I'm gonna get called a hacker when I use this keyboard
cursive crypt
Sunday has low participation rate, you not gonna make ur game if you slack off like that
light spruce
I will punch you right in the throat and NEVER STOP
carmine frigate
@fringe sundial is that ur game they mention as one of 10 games that wont be backwards compatible for ps5?
or ps4 only
fringe sundial
thats indeed the thing
fringe sundial
no clue
carmine frigate
must be like the biggest news coverage u got
carmine frigate
ps5 stuff gets a lot of reads
fringe sundial
there are some edits to the launch code that i do, but its minor stuff, not stuff that instacrashes on ps5
carmine frigate
if ps5 = true total fail
mayB its completely burning up ps5s ๐
thats like 1000s of games and ur pops out as not working on ps5 ๐
fringe sundial
unlucky as fuck
and i have to fix this with huge priority as the game still sells
only a bit, like 100-200 euros a month
but man, money is money
gotta want to keep it going also on ps5
and once PSVR 2 happens (or whatever its called) port it to psvr2 day 1
carmine frigate
hmm yea, still it wil get a ps4 only tag and not many games have that
fringe sundial
yeh but that will lower sales
i want to have it run on ps5 backcompat
and see if there is a way i can enable 120 fps on it
i have the game running at 118 fps
literally
not enough for the 120 fps lock, but incredibly close
so with just whatever extra power the ps5 runs when doing backcompat, i would be able to enable the 120 fps mode
carmine frigate
dont they call that remastered these days? ๐
ancient hornet
maybe it DOES go to 120fps in ps5 mode and gets all confused by the extra power ๐
fringe sundial
it has a 60 vs 90 fps detection
when you launch the game
maybe its that what crashes the game...
the thing is... how do i "detect" ps5 backcompat
to turn on 120 mode
ps4 backcompat games cant use ps5 sdks, that needs specific rebuild of the game and all that. Cant be done in the patch
so ill have to run a benchmark or some shit and guess if its ps5
or have some sort of "performance" mode in settings
that puts 120 fps but at variable resolution
and then let variable resolution make the thing like 4k on the ps5
ill probably try the variable resolution thing as it seems the most recomended. After all thats what most games do. They let the variable-res run the game at 60 fps max res on ps5 extra power
or ps4pro games that went unpatched
light spruce
... wait... why the fuck are you no longer a cat with goggles?
carmine frigate
@fringe sundial shadow complex is from epic but thats UE3
cursive crypt
who is playing with the ue mp, lol - it all korean now
hm... taking my words back, glitch in the cookies
light spruce
The Matrix. The glitch is always in The Matrix. And I want to eat an entire pizza.
fringe sundial
@carmine frigate there were way more ps4 games that didnt work on ps5
the thing is that mine, being a small indie, was the last one to be checked
they literally only told me my game was busted a couple days before going public with the list
for other games they contacted the devs to fix stuff
im actually super impressed they have tested the entire ps4 library
entire library
ancient hornet
took the list of games, sorted them by descending $$$ and tested/warned in that order ๐
fringe sundial
thats indeed it lul
indie games like mine (small ones) were the last ones to get cheked
ancient hornet
to be fair, they literally concern fewer customers
fringe sundial
nothing wrong with that, it makes sense
you will test the game that has made 10 million dollars before the one that just makes 5 figures
what i want to know
is if bloodborne runs at 60 fps
bloodborne never got a ps4 pro patch
but there is a HACKED 60 fps patch for it
not really stable but...
ps5 power can run those 60 fps easy
they just need to port it to ps5
or remove the fps lock from the ps4 version
ancient hornet
if they wanted to be more "honest" they'd test the games in order of "recent time spent on them"
fringe sundial
sadly given they never made a ps4 pro patch.... i doubt it
ancient hornet
which would be pretty similar to $$$ anyway ๐
fringe sundial
watch bloodborne run at 30 fps choppy at 700p on ps5
unless sony isnt nearly as stupid and ports it properly, that game is a big system seller
light spruce
I'm pretty sure that anyone who could make a new BLoodborne could print money
median wraith
Well seems like this now is trending
someone made a game on UE4 that detects the audio input from voice and translates it from different languages
and it reacts to different sentences
light spruce
how does it respond to blatant racism?
median wraith
well it just trigger in 30 sentences or so
is using some windows translation devices
"Apparently, Phasmophobia uses Windows 10 Cortana for the ghost to understand your speech and language; if you have it disabled, then this causes an issue in-game. Reenable Cortana, and your Voice Chat issues might be gone from Phasmophobia."
well
lol
means this the youtubers don't even know how to setup windows
light spruce
or it means that there are a number of people who ripped all that shit out
which is what I did
ancient hornet
wait isn't Microsoft even removing Cortana? ๐
median wraith
I mean, all famous youtubers are promoting the game
that forces to enable cortana and other systems
๐๐ฝ 
I were looking for voice detection system for a while
actually were talking about the fact that UE3 had a text to speech system
light spruce
hard pass
median wraith
no idea why they didn't added text to speech on ue4 because is useful for accesibility
ancient hornet
you know about? https://voiceattack.com/
median wraith
well but thats a different thing
mossy nexus
It relies on windows voice recognition to work.
median wraith
oh well lol
I mean at the end they sell the same assets between stores
and it give kind of confusion
and graphically looks kinda the same tbh
if they have some of these old classic horror locking pixelated style could be worst
lol
and the main problem to me is Cortana + no proper solo play
zinc matrix
HUH?
HUHHH hebedyt
i wanted to make usa of cortana but it doesnt work
its literally useless as of now
like for last year or two
they broke it..
cant even use it to browse google or open apps
lets make a game where it requires players to speak Sharingan No Jutsu it would be very cringe game
narrow latch
I use voiceattack all the time for elite dangerous and it works great for me with absolutely no problems once i figured out how to get it all up and running correctly
dim ruin
king.com has a fucking patent on "User Interface". whats a sack of shit company
to be honest, I guess its the US patent office that is the sack of shit for granting nonsense patents
mossy nexus
eh?
dim ruin
some of the patents they grant are absurd
king.com also holds trademark on "Candy" and on "Saga" separately for universal use
lol read this shit
https://patents.justia.com/patent/10729977
patent trolling at its finest
mossy nexus
Trademarks are usually on the specific stylisation of words, not the words themselves. It's why the singer Pink was able to trademark the name 'pink'.
dim ruin
these are patents
the trademarks though are universal for those
absurd that it was even granted
there's a whole slew of hilarious patents granted to king.com though
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/king-com-ltd
pearl compass
dim ruin
there's all kinds of stupid ones like that
foggy path
having a patent doesn't mean it's enforceable
they are supposed to be valid when filed and go through a rigorous checking but the first lawsuit is where it truly gets tested :P
cursive crypt
Oh, that fresh. Waiting for money to start rain their way.
dim ruin
does show a pretty gapping failure by the patents office though. That a patent like that would even be granted is ridiculous. It's just a take the money and ignore it thing
patents are fucking expensive to file and pay maintenance on too
dim ruin
lol
foggy path
I clicked at the examiner of those king.com patents to see what else he'd examined
that was one of them...
azure chasm
fresh heath
Are you talking about a bone? Maybe someone would want to make a giraffe
fathom wadi
body builds by stuffing envelopes under his skin
plucky pagoda
Any decent alternatives to 3D coat for hand painting models? I'm about to drop the $400 for a license after this trial is over.
north torrent
Drop $900 on Zbrush.
bold fulcrum
3D coat? decent?
plucky pagoda
It seems to be pretty easy to use for hand painting models.
tulip orbit
3d print the model, paint by hand, photogammetry it back into digital space.
zinc matrix
what he/she/it said ^^ + this => https://www.amazon.com/Badger-Air-Brush-Co-2020-2F-Airbrush/dp/B000BROVIO
gray vortex
bought a character that was meant to be a "Game Ready" Character, paid $140, it was looking good so decided to give him another $5, I get the files, doesnt work with UE4, not rigged, not weight painted, not scaled properly, paypal case reasonable to open?
foggy path
that definitely does not sound "game ready" to me ๐ค
I would try to contact the seller first - if you can get a refund directly from them it'll probably be easier than dealing with paypal
gray vortex
@foggy path I did, this was the response
plucky pagoda
@fathom wadi cool, yeah it's the only other option I'd seen so far.
fathom wadi
Blender does the job for me too but nobody I know recommends it so I keep armor paint handy in case I have to do something particular
foggy path
@gray vortex yeah okay definitely paypal dispute time :P
if for nothing else just out of spite because the more the account gets flagged the more likely it's he's gonna get in trouble with PP lol
foggy path
if he gets enough disputes for transactions the account is likely to get locked with no warning
even if the individual disputes might not have been sided with the person who filed it
because paypal loves everyone equally little lol
cursive crypt
Game ready is bad term anyway. Ready for what game? That character model for example, if your game uses it just to put it as statues around, that fine. If it is rigged, if it is animated, if it is morphable... You list features of the asset first and foremost.
@fathom wadi found that for Blender the other day: https://www.blendermarket.com/products/layerpainter looks nice as upgrade. But that as well armor paint are solo projects, hope they get some traction and grow.
dusky shuttle
solid aurora
@plucky pagoda Substance ?
ancient hornet
those aren't hitbox problems, they are lag compensation!
spare glade
That might be the case if it wasnt a valid move ๐ To bad it is lol
Its called an En Passant
light spruce
Yeah, I couldn't figure out if it was a joke or if they legitimately didn't know about that rule.
north torrent
Does anyone here like videogames?
mossy nexus
not really
north torrent
There is a new student in my class that can barely speak Chinese...
mossy nexus
Do they speak any other language? Otter, rabbit or donkey maybe?
north torrent
He speaks English as well as any native speaking 9 year old.
Academically his writing, spelling, and grammar needs some work. But he has no problem talking to me.
But very few kids in the class feel comfortable socializing in English. There is really only one other kid that is used to speaking English in informal conversations.
mossy nexus
From what you've described in the past, that does sound very unusual.
north torrent
I have a lot of students with good English level. But talking to their teacher isn't the same as making friends with another student who can't understand them in Chinese.
cursive crypt
What this has to do with videogames? ๐ค
I like videogames, but very few. My social media block list is full of videogames and sport ๐
north torrent
I don't usually ask questions that have anything to do with each other.
cursive crypt
Cool ๐
north torrent
Have you ever seen a miniature horse?
north torrent
What is your opinion?
cursive crypt
Played with them, wars.
Had an indian, soldier and few others. Made out of cheap plastic. Great times.
mossy nexus
Which part of India was the Indian from?
north torrent
Punjab.
fresh heath
fading falcon
plucky pagoda
@fathom wadi I bought the binary for AmorPaint. It seems like maybe it could work but has a major pita factor especially with moving the model while painting (The rotation is really messed up and one axis is completely borked). Since it has the source code I could probably make it work how I want but right now I'm leaning towards buying 3D Coat.
Leaning towards a Houdini for modeling, Blender for UVs and some editing, then 3D Coat for texturing and polish.
unborn lotus
any reason you won't use subtance painter?
plucky pagoda
It doesn't meet my needs.
unborn lotus
I tried armor paint too but its just barebones compared to sbs painter. especially with the new brush system like photoshop, multiple painting modes, etc
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I found it lacking.
light spruce
number one need: not having adobe involved
plucky pagoda
I'm completely hand painting everything and not using any existing textures.
I should look at Mixer again before buying 3D coat though.
unborn lotus
you can at least mention these special needs of yours
plucky pagoda
I mean, I did. I was only replying to Marc here.
unborn lotus
I think you replied to MIke
plucky pagoda
lol
light spruce
You're qualified for public office now!
unborn lotus
and don't think you did, if it has to be decent, then there's nothing more decent than painter
maybe mari
i think blender still has a long way to to be ready for production work, like some things work great, but others are a huge pain, as opposed to other software where everything works decently-ish and is reliable
mossy nexus
@plucky pagoda you can change the rotation of the mesh in ArmorPaint, Click on Meshes->Tools I think
Mixer works best with material ID maps too
Although the rotation in Mixer is borked too
There is a blender addon costs around $20, that lets you paint with layers. It creates texture nodes on the fly so you don't have to worry about it
mossy nexus
This pretty well sums up the UK Government https://youtu.be/CYmn76Y50Us
fathom wadi
I can sum them up in one word. Rhymes with Hunts.
120,000+ poor, disabled and old people dead because this government took support away from them. There is no excuse and they shouldn't be called the government. They should be called the Corporate Pricks Who Fuck Everything Up For Everyone But Themselves.
light spruce
Medic up.
dusk valve
๐
light spruce
Or "I require assistance with my IFAK"
fathom wadi
anyone familiar with tactical hand signals? what does this mean? ๐ค
@zinc matrix That's called "searching for the spot". A technique relatively lost in modern day. Cosmopolitan tried to resurrect it in the 80's and 90's but it never caught on once the internet took hold. Now it's wham bam swipe right ma'am.
light spruce
Swipe right for Coronavirus
north torrent
I put some random fruit I don't know what it is in my juice...
As well as watermelon, dragon fruit, cucumber, and tomato.
Tomato and watermelon together may not have been the best choice...
light spruce
Considering that those are two things that suck on their own...
green horizon
Has anyone here ever experienced extreme burnout?
Im having trouble coping with my current situation
Got myself into quiet a corner in life
Really worried about getting out of it, dont see a way to get out of it any time soon
hoping someone has had a similar crisis in the past
tulip orbit
I havent gamedeved in 3+ weeks, I'm unemployed, completely broke, not seeing any light in the tunnel...
fathom wadi
Ive had more bouts of burnout than I can remember. The trick is, get on with it. Burnout only ends when you start working again. If you collapse and die, then your work here is done.
tulip orbit
it sucks, and I wish I had advice
green horizon
how do you get on with it
foggy path
Best advice is probably go see a doctor if that's possible for you
fathom wadi
It's probably about time someone put together a studio called "Burnedout" full of devs who work alone and get mentally fatigued trying to do a 10 person job on their own.
green horizon
I really fucked up this one, have 1 month worth of savings, looking for work, working from home, zero friends (I mean literally, no human interactions), 15kg overwieght
cant get myself to focus
like at all
at best I can go for 20 minutes
thats it
fathom wadi
you need a creative outlet to break the monotony and give you motivation then. I learn something new. This burnout, I learned how to use Blender, revisited webdev and learned the latest HTML/CSS stuff, and I specifically go looking for great art.
That helps the motivation side. The monetary side is there regardless of your career. That you will have to solve other ways. Handjobs for crack, become a politician, influence idiots into buying shit on the internet etc. Referrals is the classic method but it takes time to build up.
Always remember. Burnout is temporary. It might last longer than you want it to, but its reversible
foggy path
It might also be a good idea to discuss with your manager since you said you're working
broken sigil
working from home, zero friends (I mean literally, no human interactions)
Reminds me of someone ๐
green horizon
its complicated, I work from home but have startup, startup is not going anywere for 3 years already I have 20% equity and "salary" (basically enough to cover living expenses) my partner wants to drop startup and I was the only one all-in so now Im left with barely any money and burnout and ticking clock to find work
really feel frustrated that I trusted the guy
people really are pieces of shit
should have asked for 3x "salary" and 5%
fuck him
thats water under the bridge
light spruce
Some cases, you have to know when to cut ties.
fathom wadi
never trust anyone you are in business with. My parents best friends of 30 years ended up being shits to my parents when they went into business together.
green horizon
yeah
fathom wadi
Trust is a contract bound by law in terms of business. End of story. People can't be trusted.
green horizon
doesnt help with making friends though the fact that I dont like people
fathom wadi
You can trust me though. Honest.
light spruce
It's shitty, but you really always need to be prepared to stand in the center of the bridge and light the whole fucking thing on fire.
green horizon
@fathom wadi wow, I will write that on my law, contracts only from now on
I still can
fathom wadi
I like people, I just hate the masses. ๐
light spruce
It shouldn't be at the top of the list... but it should definitely be in there.
green horizon
I have passwords I can put the website down
but its not going anywhere so no point
0 customers
fathom wadi
market it for sale and sell up?
green horizon
well I like people on retails basis, wholesale Im not a fan of human nature
fathom wadi
rightly so
green horizon
cant, its owned by company
light spruce
Never deliberately fuck people over. A t the end of the day, no matter what, you have to be able to live with you. And you should always be better.
green horizon
it wont help with burnout anyways
fathom wadi
Have you thought about using the company as a mule service for the CIA cartels and pushing some coke around? I hear the money is decent.
wise smelt
This new server logo is phenomenal
light spruce
When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you.
green horizon
you are joking Marc, Im here sitting at 1 AM with my gut turning, need to pay rent, cant get myself to focus and work
wise smelt
Compared to what was there previously
fathom wadi
of course im joking. Everyone knows the money is in micro-trading cryptocurrency now. I'm just trying to lighten the mood. You can't advance anything by moping around and feeling sorry for yourself. You have to say "fuck it im a human being that can do anything I want" and start making plans.
light spruce
Everyone gets burned out. Stress overall is pretty high because the world is pretty much total shit at this point.
The hard truth is that there's no easy fix.
fathom wadi
As the incomperable prophet of the airwaves once eminated - "First, you've got to get mad".
fathom wadi
green horizon
I will work as bartender in Canada tomorrow if someone has an offer
tulip orbit
how is a canuck gonna help?
green horizon
would solve it all
- social life as bartender, interact with people
- you are in fucking canada
- rehab the burnout with easy mindless work
then find a job as a developer in canada
light spruce
If it was that simple, everyone would be a bartender
green horizon
covid makes this shit 10x harder
tulip orbit
grass isnt very green over here. I've been out of work 10months.., used to be an electrician
fathom wadi
mindless work won't solve it for me. I have to learn something new that takes me out of my box. Something that challenges me with a task that is motivational. Such as creating some artwork, or a webpage or anything. Something physical like painting warhammer models. I dunno. Just works for me to get motivated through belief in myself over any intention to make money or get on with it.
green horizon
i think my real problem is burnout multiplied by loneliness
no friends
no daily social interaction
fathom wadi
My current game stalled 3 months ago. Lockdown gave me the worst depression/burnout combo. Just riding it out now. Trying new things.
green horizon
too quiet
well imagine lockdown for 3 years. welcome to my shitty life
need to fix this shit asap
going nuts
fathom wadi
I live in a 3 bedroom house with 6 other people. Lonliness isn't an option for me. I would sell an buttcheek for some quiet time.
I also lived alone in a room for 10 years, so I know the stress there.
light spruce
he's not talking about roommates
green horizon
nice, big family
tulip orbit
I visit my nieces now and then... a few hours there and I've had enough for a week
light spruce
I haven't really had friends for a couple of years now. I cut ties with people. But I also don't work like some people do. I had to stop caring about whether I lived or died to survive. Chronic illness with neurological damage ... not a great place to be.
green horizon
wow I guess most of devs are fucked up then
I dont know if I wanna be a programmer long-term
but right now I have to be
no other way of making money
light spruce
Hard truth Mk2: if you want to create something, there are probably several things wrong with you
green horizon
I dont get it
light spruce
Show me a well-adjusted artist and I'll show you a shitty artist.
People who are okay with things the way they are aren't the same people who try and build something.
green horizon
I really dont give a shit honestly. Im about money
Im creative for profit
who cares about anything else
Ill let those activities for other people who crave to do it
I only crave it if I know theres a potential for profit
I plan to get into real estate
its the best industry for someone who only cares about money
I make my 7M EUR and Im out of professional world
have few kids, start breeding cane corsos
fuck society
Ill just watch like my favorite comedian George Carlin
if you have money its funny
thats my motto
let them chop each others heads off, protest, debate on TV
when you have money its all just funny
until then I got to figure out a way out of burnout
fathom wadi
@green horizon If you want money, game dev is not the place to be unless you can get yourself into a stable job at a studio or be the luckiest fuck in the world and make a PUBG or something.
You are much better trying to make money on penny stocks than this grind.
The old adage of "work hard and succeed", or as they call it "The American Dream" is a lie. They forget to tell you about the luck part. Even a location can kill your chances. No matter how hard you work.
I haven't burned out several times through laziness. I worked myself into a psychological stupor.
The love for my family and trying to get them out of this hellhole is beyond words. I put every ounce of my being into what I do.
Success is about expectations. If you want 7m euros, it ain't happening with game dev. You will be lucky to hit a million in any sense of worthwhile time. Unless you get lucky.
Hard work is what wage slaves do. Making money is what CEOs do. Also, being that George Carlin is your fave comedian (and mine) I shall remind you of the immortal line....
"It's called The American Dream because you got to be asleep to believe it".
green horizon
"If you want money, game dev is not the place to be unless you can get yourself into a stable job at a studio or be the luckiest fuck in the world and make a PUBG or something."
I came here for a venture, I wanted to get into game dev as a business, I know its the hardest job in dev and least paid. Wasnt interested in making money as a job with it. Decided its best to stick with Web & Mobile Apps thats where the money is made and its not too hard to do.
"You are much better trying to make money on penny stocks than this grind.
The old adage of "work hard and succeed", or as they call it "The American Dream" is a lie. They forget to tell you about the luck part. Even a location can kill your chances. No matter how hard you work. "
Agree. My goal is to move to Canada (need to fix money first though) once I have 100k saved its a good budget to start seriously exploring options to go there.
"If you want 7m euros, it ain't happening with game dev."
Exactly, the goal is to get into real estate in Canada. first as an agent then as a developer (I have been complimented a lot for my looks, public facing role is much more suitable for someone like me plus I am obsessed with getting rich, which both as an agent and RE developer is the name of the game)
"Also, being that George Carlin is your fave comedian (and mine) I shall remind you of the immortal line....
"It's called The American Dream because you got to be asleep to believe it"."
I love it. You get it. I believe in it but not through hard work only. the only way to get reach is with scale and leverage. at least the only way to get rich fast (by fast I mean 5-10 years not a month)
oh shit, this markup
where are you from btw Marc
fathom wadi
It's not what you know, it's who you know most of the time. Networking is a good place to start. Hang out here, help in the channels. Get on social media, find people to interact with. It all builds up over time
England
green horizon
oh come on I thought it was india or something
fathom wadi
I'd take a move to Canada right now though. The place I live isn't ideal for kids
green horizon
how can you complain living in UK
fathom wadi
Yeah Marc is a common name in India :p
north torrent
Trying to make money on game development.
You are joking, right?
green horizon
not a troll, capitalist
north torrent
A regular troll or a Karol troll?
green horizon
with not a lot of capital..
north torrent
Capitalists don't make games. They become investment bankers and let other people do the work./
green horizon
was also thinking of that but that would take too much time
4 years for college, then need an MBA then crawl up
fathom wadi
I can complain about living in the UK because of relative notions. Im not saying my quality of life isn't better than most. But relatively speaking, my family lives in a paedo infested town with a council that neglects the poor and gives jobs to the boys, powered by a government that is so blueblood infused, I'm starting to believe this David Icke Reptillian bullshit. I mean.... they are some cold ass Tory scum I tell you. 120,000+ dead from their austerity "solutions"
north torrent
You don't need an MBA to be an investment banker... what are you even going on about?
green horizon
I think I can build a business before I would ever make it in investment banking
thats everywhere Marc
you should know better from George Carlin
he said it right
government is interested in its own power
bunch of insecure people have a need for a sense of power
fathom wadi
I know. "they dont care about you, they don't care about you, they don't care about you"
green horizon
wether its ideology or some other weird fantasy in their heads
or just a sense of identity
north torrent
Anyways, Mr. Ponkkis, what is your opinion on watermelons?
fathom wadi
but thats why i want to move to Canada. At least I know them cucks will at least try not to look crooked :p
green horizon
it should be easier for you from UK but the challenge is you have entire family to move
Im 22, no kids, no loans or similar
north torrent
Do bigger watermelons taste better than smaller watermelons?
fathom wadi
yeah thats the main reason Im broke. I have to move to get the jobs unless I freelance, and thats been a bit tough this year. Got let down one time and decided to carry on with my personal game project and some other stuff. But it didn't go well. Might be back to freelancing soon
north torrent
I don't recommend juicing watermelon and tomato at the same time.
green horizon
what kind of work you do freelance
north torrent
It is ok... but not ideal.
Not horrible either.
I also added some dragon fruit and cucumber.
fathom wadi
@green horizon everything. Programmer usually but I can do whatever with Unreal and im getting better with Blender. Most of my freelancing has been little tools or setting up engine builds with external SDKs or making custom editor plugins. Sometimes UMG work. I kind of take what interests me at the time unless I am desperate for the cash.
fathom wadi
yeah it can be. I can take time off for burnout when I like because I dont spend money on myself. I just save.
green horizon
I understand its not full-time, probably half time is looking for clients
thats smart, saving
fathom wadi
couple of things earned me over 1k GBP for a week's work. Usually it's in little bits like ยฃ100 here and there. Bug fixes or something quick. My original goal was to earn enough to move the family to a location like Guildford, UK or Canada/Sweden etc. But as fast as I make it, the kids can spend it. The wife is good with money though. I let her have it all and she keeps up going. If she is getting stressed I know I need to make a few quid.
green horizon
can you do web dev?
it seems like it wouldnt be too hard for you to move on work visa to Canada
there is many more jobs in web dev than game dev
light spruce
Pretty sure that Mao just shoves whatever shit is lying around right into a a blender
fathom wadi
Yeah I quit webdev after 15 years to be a game dev.
green horizon
why
fathom wadi
its shit
green horizon
makes a shit ton of money too
fathom wadi
boring trivial and full of scammers
I once got paid a whopping ยฃ1.60 per hour for a website.
green horizon
1 point 60 or 160?
fathom wadi
1.60
fathom wadi
yeah he was a scammer
he refused to pay me what I asked, so I kept the website from him. He called me "unprofessional" because I wouldn't barter with him.
green horizon
where was that>
fathom wadi
a garage door company in the UK
green horizon
was it upwork or something private
broken sigil
I spend almost nothing on myself, like $100 on gas every month and if I give to my parents a bit
fathom wadi
word of mouth work
green horizon
you should have asked for advance payment
green horizon
shmuck
fathom wadi
aye. I met many of them in webdev. Especially SEO scum. heheh
I worked at a company that would charge ยฃ350 a month to a company to do it's SEO work. Which consisted of a script that switched the meta tags to match a re-ordered Ad-Word campaign lead by a complete numpty.
green horizon
I dont know. I personally have to figure out a way to 100k online. the pro of my location (probably the only one, the rest are 1.789.349 cons) is that I can live comfortably on 1k EUR
if you just think in business terms, that very low cost of running the freelance one-man agency
light spruce
When I'm too drunk to play Mayhem in Destiny 2... it might be time to eat a bullet
fathom wadi
If you double a penny, you have 0.02. If you do that 27 times you have 1.3million. Making money doesn't seem so complicated when you put it in such terms. But there is always someone else trying to stop you making money.
green horizon
I disagree with stopping, agree with compounding, Einstein called it the 8th wonder of the world
its just brutally competitive
none is stopping anyone from registering a company and going into business
fathom wadi
it costs ยฃ100 in the UK to do that.
green horizon
well, first need a business idea and small scale test of it
if it works scale up
honestly I think I will make my money through some sort of SaaS before I ever make money with freelance stuff
just need to fix this situation, add some money to bank account, I can easily live for 3 years on 36k
have enough time to develop an MVP
fathom wadi
Henry Ford was a good example of such ideology. He was an educated man but not in all areas. He had an idea, scaled it up and the rest is history, but it was his organisation of people and getting the right people for the job that truly paid off. Sometimes you have to concede it takes more than yourself to get the job done. Thats where I fail. I only know online people and they all work for studios already ๐
or idle in here like slackers
๐
broken sigil
where in the world this is called 'shit ton of money'? ๐ค
It it is more like 50$ for gas now when I'm not going out and driving around constantly anymore but it was more over the summer
green horizon
true
honestly I wouldnt care about scaling it
I would sell before it scales
let the suits do it
sell the potential
you dont need a huge team for SaaS company
or any software company
especially webv
its not gave dev
where you need talent for art, music, code etc
I myself can do entire platform
fathom wadi
I need to scale my business. I haven't got enough time left in life, nevermind in fiscal terms, to get my stuff done. But I haven't stopped trying. Money is the key. Employment money.
green horizon
then maybe add 2-3 temp freelancers
thats true
maybe consider web dev again
its much more in demand than gamedev
fathom wadi
I made a website for the blind once. You can check it out at http://www.::.:.:::.:.:.::.:...:.::.::.:.com
dunno why discord put an extra slash in there
green horizon
there is a shit ton of venture money in the world
fathom wadi
it ruined my 20 year old joke
green horizon
if you have a proven model (lets say 3+ customers, depending on what it is)
you can get someone to finance it
I would do what Jeff Bezos did but I would go till today
I would stop in 1996-1997
they were already making millions a year
dont care about building something huge
just want independence and a nice house in Vancouver suburbs, GMC Sierra
fathom wadi
I can put up plenty of Venture Capital ideas that are potential cash cows, but this is me at a venture capital meeting.
"Eh up I'm Marc, I'm from't North of England."
"Thanks thats all Mr Northern Divide"
"But me idea"
"Next...>"
green horizon
thats happiness
say you are from london
fuck them
fuck people
practise the pitch
fathom wadi
not that I disrespect southerners, but the divide is clear in business in the UK
thats why I want to move
green horizon
Im sure you would find funding if it was a cash cow
fathom wadi
that and the cramped location
green horizon
money is money
fathom wadi
yeah you would think. I once had a plan to make 50k an hour pool betting on e-sports, but the idea was stolen after I pitched it a few times ๐
green horizon
well thats why I say MVP
and few customers
thats the beauty of code
it only takes time
not a lot of money
find few customers the hard way to prove the business works
then get the money
bezos started with his own money
nobody starts with outside money before getting customers
I wouldnt
they can twist your arm and rob you of a majority stake just because you dont have a proven model
if its making money, even a little bit, you can get the funding and not give up the whole company
then scale it
thats what VC shmuchs are for
they come in with money and experience and take it far and wide
once it is working (making money)
fathom wadi
I really like freelancing tbh. The variation is just suited to my need to learn new things. But I really want to complete my game. It's just a pipe dream at this point. So I'm considering alternative ideas atm. Marketplace items, Gumroad etc, or simply pimp my services.
green horizon
my friend, I think you are too romantic about it, Im sorry
fathom wadi
I should setup some discord for online tutoring classes or something. Get some of the CodeClubs involved
green horizon
do that on weekend enjoy it, go to london meanwhile and make some decent cash
fathom wadi
Dude Im totally romantic about it. I have lived and breathed computer games since the early 1980's. I didn't start in game dev until I was in my mid-30's so I'm kind of on my last run at life with it.
green horizon
how old are you
fathom wadi
Also I hate London. I was there a couple of years ago and it depressed so much I came home early ๐
im 44
green horizon
I dont know, depends on your goals and circumstances
I dont have much choice, would rather be dead that stay in Serbia
*serbia (it doesnt deserve uppercase)
fathom wadi
my circumstance is 5 kids in a 3 bedroom house in a town that seems like my tomb, and the irony of that is, I live next to a graveyard that I stare at everyday and contemplate my own mortality ๐
green horizon
sorry but you seem to have choice
fathom wadi
choice comes if responsibility lets me im afraid.
green horizon
sell the house, buy one in 1h from london and commute to work
make big money there
fathom wadi
I dont own my house ๐
green horizon
fuck game dev as money making machine its broken
broken sigil
@green horizon Pozdrav is Hrvatske ๐
green horizon
its too unbalanced
most money is made at the top of gamedev
its more of a hobby thingy to me
you gonna make good money in webdev instantly
you know probably the majority of concepts
fathom wadi
Like I said, its the industry jobs that pay. Not the solo projects and whatnot. Freelancing can be good tho
fathom wadi
why?
green horizon
you will make money with that for sure
for webdev
you have choice, all Im trying to say
fathom wadi
I can write my own websites. I don't need libs that bloat it ๐
green horizon
React is used on other sites, working on teams will require it
frameworks are useful
not need to reinvent the wheel
focus on money, give the people what is current standard, fuck them take the money
I think you are too proud/arrogant
perfectly normal for all developers
fathom wadi
yeah thats when I stepped away. When the whole "you must use bootstrap" and such kicked in. Like no... it's not any better at all. Saves time coding? Perhaps. Is it worth the bloat for speed? To a corporation yes, to me no.
green horizon
intellectual arrogance, we all suffer from it. and it is suffering since it degrades your life
there is no one-man corporations
I guarantee you I can build a much more superior website than you can Marc but I sure as hell cant do the UE magic you can
so if I focus on our website and forum and app and you do the game
we can have a nice combo
fathom wadi
Of course I understand the benefit of the javascript lib fads, but it's not for me. When I see bloated javascript causing a page to slow down I want to naturally fix it. It's not meant to be a feature. But you do it by rewriting out the bloat. So why start with it?
fathom wadi
15 years of web dev, and you are what? 20 something and you tell me I'm arrogant? Hah cool dude. I made websites when you shit rusks lad :p
green horizon
I dont mean to offend you, just saying that to make more money would probably be a good idea to adapt to corporate world
jump on their ship like a pirate and take home 80k
fuck them
fathom wadi
I know I left that as a joking retort. I am arrogant I accept that. I made my choice to do game dev and I live with it
green horizon
just go there work 3h - 1h break then 3-ish more hours and clock out
on the side focus on venture projects
exactly
I have that issue too
I have actually never worked full time
started my company at 19
but not going anywhere
zero customers and profit
now going into freelance web dev
plan to start an agency
guy in my building has an agency, drives a range rover
all based on word of mouth
2 floors they occupy
this is a good country for an agency
cheaper talent
fathom wadi
Im currently making a Casino Referral site CMS system that centralises the dumping out of micro-sites, giving you a place to organise all your different affiliates. It will take a good year to build up but if I have 10 of those knocking around, it can be a tidy sum.
I know people making 10k a week from this system. They have no skills at all either.
green horizon
thats a good idea
all Im trying to say is take the money Marc, you are a smart guy, play the corporate game fuck them
not trying to offend you or anything like that
we are actually pretty alike
except the age and stage of life
I also have the arrogance of a developer
now not anymore
I realize you can use existing tools, make status quo website and take the money
fathom wadi
its ok I didn't take offense really. I am the first to say I am an arrogant, self-opinionated arsehole at times. I am not adverse to being told this when I'm standing my ground ๐
green horizon
there is a saying "inventor is the guy laying on the ground with 10 arrows in his back"
facebook was not the first social network
zuck actually stole the idea
from the weird twins
who cares
he got 80B
fathom wadi
yeah. they also say genius creates and rich men steal the idea.
green horizon
of course
you can be both
fuck morals
nobody got morals today
kids making millions with ecommerce
fathom wadi
I could clone a dozen games and make mobile pennies but I don't believe in that. Over-saturated and I don't use mobiles
green horizon
and "influencing" online
I dont know, I have recently taken locked up my arrogance for good
I will be arrogant once I put 7,000,000 EUR in bank
fathom wadi
Arrogance makes you President of the United States. It can't be entirely useless ๐
green horizon
till then humble and use everything I can lay my hands on
well hes arrogant but also a billionaire
I dont think you make many friends being poor and arrogant
its easy to be arrogant once rich, since you pay everyone
fathom wadi
I go with the John Lydon approach. "Anger is an energy". Matched with Howard Beale's speech "you've got to get mad" and you have a force that motivates. Used for good instead of self-destruction.
green horizon
agree to some extent
I like a bit more the approach of a cold snake
calculated
trust no body (lesson I have learned very recently)
just find whats working and setup my own take part of the pie
fuck billions
fathom wadi
Onlyfans it is then
green horizon
dont need billions
for what billions?
with 7M EUR you can easily have 2%/year net, inflation-adjusted
fathom wadi
Do an onlyfans where people can view my burnout face for $20.
green horizon
that 140k EUR
I dont need more than that
its Upper middle class
enough for a nice house in suburbs, GMC sierra and to breed cane corsos
im a simple guy
dont care about being super rich or famous or some elon-musky guy
changing the world and that crap
thats for kids and insecure adults
I dont need to do that to be happy or feel good
fathom wadi
"here's Marc showing off our lovely new range of Burnout facemasks. See how his hips glide as they are nowhere near the mask. Notice his elegant shoes as the mask stays up at the other end of the body. Coming soon to our OnlyFans page"
green horizon
just financial security and good people around
not many few
but great ones
and like 10 cane corsos
fawn, brindle, black, blue
love them all
I take 5 HTP
yeah my first problem is creating an income of at least 3k EUR / month
from there is easy
need to bulk up the bank account
have enough for 1-2 years of living
than its easy, not much stress
it probably is
fathom wadi
you know what my doctor gave me for anxiety? Nothing. Just talked to me like he was trying to calm me down. I mentioned I used cannabis and it helped and he basically nodded like it was the solution. But it's not. It's a temp fix.
green horizon
right now too worried about spending any money
once income is taken care of I can relax a bit
then can feel comfortable paying for coworking space
that would solve zero social time issue
from there save 2-3k/month and mastermind a plan to build up an agency while working on side on SaaS project
I dont have a big problem with working hard its just the lack of social life thats killing me
yeah that doesnt pay well in serbia
like 1k
fathom wadi
Im gonna do one more run between Cuba and Florida and I'm out. This CIA cartel job is no joke.
green horizon
thats the same shit as now
1k only covers my monthly expenses
barely actually
400 EUR for apartment only
plus medical, food, clothes etc
fathom wadi
we go through between 1500 and 2k a month atm. That's living liberally too.
no its not
being a web dev is like being a civil servant.
green horizon
yeah, actually I realized like a week ago that living in a great country isnt that much more expensive than living in crap country, the main expense thats variable is housing
food is pretty much the same price in markets in UK Germany and serbia
or in canada
cars too
clothes pretty much too
small differences but not like 2x+
only housing is a big moving variable
fathom wadi
honestly if I want to make enough cash to live on the breadline, I can do that pretty easily. It's the moving the family for me. Thats my prime issue. Everything else false into place then.
green horizon
unless you go to fancy restaurants and shit like that
ponkkis Im working on it
havent worked on my coding skills for 3 years
startup grind
now my partner cut me off suddenly he doesnt want to finance and I have to ASAP update my skillset
i'm 2017 coder not 2020
thats an issue
fathom wadi
True story. My current burnout started because I started animating my main character for navigation, then realised all the other animations I had to do, and all the things I never thought about, etc. And it made me feel like I should stop and do something less time intensive. Something I can dump out quick. Then my mind shutdown trying to work through, but analyzing what I was doing and knowing I should be doing something else right now. So this is where I started with the extra-learning activities. Started on the referral site.
green horizon
it makes me less lonely
I have 2 part issue
- zero absolutely zero social life
- lack of decent income (the one on which I can save 1k+ monthly)
that all topped with cherry called burnout
lack of energy
plucky pagoda
I spent the last 2 years making games that were chosen because they were technically easy and hated it. Working on something a tad bit ambitious right now but it's a concept I really like and a game I would actually play. Much happier now.
green horizon
plus added dressing of 15kg overweight and lack of fitness == back pain
you see thats why didnt choose the game dev route
I dont care much for creative part
I only care about making money
I am
I have 108kg few weeks ago
103.6 this evening
I have to solve that too
fathom wadi
Do some brazillian jiu-jitsu. That will drop 15kg in a month from sweat.
green horizon
it used to be 114 2019 december
yeah maybe thats the answer for social part, get a hobby
meet up with people
spin class or something
but worry too much about money
need to start making it asap
not much rope left
fathom wadi
have fun Ponkkis
green horizon
thats true, being young is a benefit
green horizon
can still make it right even though I started adult life in a terrible way. Its a failed experiment of locking yourself up until you are rich and only then start living. NOT RECOMMENDED
what kind of musician?
I almost fell into that trap too
of doing music
its high school mentality
being popular doesnt mater when you get more mature
fathom wadi
bass guitar mostly. But I could play rhythm and some lead too
green horizon
actually you make me feel good about myself now
think this is just a wrong turn thats all, I put it in reverse and there is still time to go the other way
feel bad about wasting 3 years
no profits came out of it
plus trusted an idiot
never again
contracts only
foggy path
There's some kind of a strange idea that I see a lot nowadays where if you don't make money for some time it's "a waste"
foggy path
I'm sure you learned something during those 3 years though or did you just sit on your ass doing nothing the whole time
green horizon
well thats true, I gained experience
more about people and business actually than coding
foggy path
Business and people skills are very valuable even as a coder
green horizon
I know for sure few things
- do nothing without contracts
- people only care about their own interest no matter how nice they are (behind every smile there is teeth)
- marketing is just as important as the product
- managers tend to be conservative people, they dont like change/innovation unless its proven to work (no upside for them, can just get fired if it doesnt work by their superiors)
few more probably cant think of them
fathom wadi
if I were to ratio out my time spent in game dev and money I had been paid for it, I would be heavily on the wrong side of that ratio. My first years were unpaid work because I was making my bones (not promoting it but it was my choice). Money isn't why I got into game dev though.
green horizon
yes zomg, I plan to use them to do freelance work and then build an agency focus more on finding clients than coding over time
fathom wadi
if money was my motivation, I would have setup an SEO company years ago. Those fleecing criminals are another level of bullshittery.
fathom wadi
my only motivation right now is to make sure my 1 year old son actually gets to play outside in his lifetime.
green horizon
well if you had 5M in bank Marc you can do it all day
foggy path
If I really wanted I could probably have gotten a job at Google, Facebook or something and got like 150-200k a year salary by now
green horizon
go on road trip in an RV
foggy path
But that doesn't really interest me :P
fathom wadi
if I had 5mil I wouldn't see him. I'd be busy protecting my 5mil from the vultures :/
green horizon
you can move to Canada with as little as 200K EUR
as an investor
not true
you can setup a simple portfolio 40% bonds 30% stocks 15% gold 15% commodities
you would easily have 100-200k/year
fathom wadi
@foggy path I saw someone on twitter the other day who had less than 2 years in webdev, only knew javascript and got a job at google.
he was in his 50's too
foggy path
impressive, I hear it gets harder with age especially if you're not very experienced
green horizon
probably true, its corporate world
fathom wadi
probably. Dementia is already kicking in with me at 44 after staring at code for 20 years :p
foggy path
lol
green horizon
they want assets not liabilities (old means more likely to have health issues and obligations that would interfere with work)
its corporate world
I hate seeing fucking mission statements really offensive
all of those companies will cut their work force the moments the profits drop
changing the world and shit
its all about the fucking money
just follow the money
love that line
its true
everything is about money
if you follow the money you will find the interest behind every action in professional world
nothing is from the goodness of heart
fathom wadi
My next plan is to fanboy Epic so much, that when Mark Rein and Tim Sweeney leave, they invite me to the factory and we take a ride in the Great Glass Elevator where Tim tells me "It's all yours Charlie" and I say "Sorry I'm not Charlie" and they make their apologies before parting ways in an oddly wonka-esque dream sequence.
foggy path
lol
My plan is to wait for my current workplace to get acquired
...or go bankrupt
and then I'll see what next depending on whether it was acquisition or bankrupcy
lol
fathom wadi
I hear old people are dropping like flies. Perhaps now is the right time to move into Removals and Funerals.
green horizon
are you the owner?
fathom wadi
I mean, if I want to make money that is
foggy path
I own a part of it
green horizon
thats nice
how much would you profit if they get acquired?
is it one of those corporate bullshit equity?
they give you like 50 shares that are worth 35 bucks
thats really offensive too
foggy path
It's not BS equity :) But the company is a startup so there's no real valuation right now
green horizon
they do it because then they can mention in job descriptions that you get equity
how much is the cashflow
foggy path
We do have customers and some other assets though so it's doing alright for now
green horizon
is it gamedev company?
foggy path
Nah
fathom wadi
I value my company at "awesome".
Although recent bear predictions put it at "yeah it's not bad"
foggy path
heh
I get a decent enough salary so I'm not in a hurry to leave but if the business was to get acquired I wouldn't say no to selling it :P
fathom wadi
Im gonna go camp on the couch with the wife and watch some crap movie she recommended. Have fun folks. Stay safe.
green horizon
you too marc
foggy path
My job title is CTO but my day to day is pretty much coding yeah... I make about 72k a year atm which is alright for where I live
foggy path
Finland
foggy path
Don't recall off the top of my head, probably around 25-30% but I get a bunch of deductions from business related expenses
green horizon
thats great income
4,000+ EUR/month
dont know how much of it you can save in Finland
but I assume its good
whats your goal>
?
with career?
long term
foggy path
I mean my ideal situation is the business gets acquired and I make 1+ mil which I'll invest and then I'll just work on whatever projects I feel like
But if that doesn't happen I'll probably just continue working on whatever jobs look interesting
green horizon
I hope it gets acquired
foggy path
lol same
green horizon
that would be a good position for you
foggy path
yeah, dunno if it will... at least we've been getting more business lately so even if it doesn't we can probably stay in business and keep growing
green horizon
yeah, that would keep the acquisition window open for future
probably better number too if you keep growth going
plucky pagoda
What province requires 200k? Quebec? The rest of them don't require nearly that.
green horizon
BC
thats investor visa for towns with less than 75k people
but its an entrance
thats good enough for me
it requires to invest ~1/3 of that
and employ at least 1 person
coffee shop or something I think its suitable
foggy path
You could probably just get a job in Canada if you wanted to move there
green horizon
or drycleaning, ironing business
Im working on that too
have an uncle in Surrey and a friend how owns a construction company
focusing on web dev though
need to update my skillset
than find work paying 3k+ online
then on the side look for web deb job in canada
plucky pagoda
We would go with an Entrepreneur or Skills depending on whether it was me or my wife. Wife could just transfer with her company they have sites all over Canada.
plucky pagoda
She oversees laboratories for Abbott Labs.
green horizon
why not go to Canada?
plucky pagoda
No reason I can think of.
green horizon
where do you live
plucky pagoda
In the clarity found between sips of coffee.
green horizon
is that on earth
foggy path
I could probably move to Canada... but that would just be exchanging a finnish speaking cold country to an english speaking cold country lol
plucky pagoda
occasionally
green horizon
maan Canada is beautiful
and its not cold all the time
especially in Vancouver area
foggy path
Canada looks a lot like Finland in places, it's in similar latitudes as we are
green horizon
have to get there
foggy path
Except they have bigger mountains I guess
fresh heath
north torrent
Can I eat it?
ashen sundial
cursive crypt
be happy we have gpu one even, lol
mint onyx
@placid thistle looks like they heavily used irradiance caching like old Lightmass ๐ค
it produces less detail than i expect in that interior scene
cursive crypt
Haven't you been doing something on that end too? ๐ค
mint onyx
it is a change in direction that we abandoned IC on primary rays
Either my CUDA one and 4.26 DXR one doesn't do that
less detailed and easy to produce artifacts; I hope results from unigine users are as clear as this marketing video, though I am not competent to deliver an algorithm like that :(
cursive crypt
Tbh, I haven't looked even at the upcoming implementation in UE as well...
As long it is faster, that fine by me. Then I don't know about the difference of quality compared to conventional build.
mint onyx
The denoiser is actually quite good; it has trouble with edges, yet I can add a weird technique so that you lower the number of samples to get better quality&speed for game use cases
placid thistle
I guess it is a marketing video and in reality it requires Titan GPU to run it ๐
cursive crypt
Weird technique ๐ค lol, sounds more trouble than worth.
mint onyx
the interior scene at 0:35 is my primary suspection for IC
Shadows on the wall are much blurrier than they should be
Ppl have experience with my CUDA Lightmass can tell that
cursive crypt
I'm kinda more impressed by the bubbles around the corners.
mint onyx
Balusters casting shadows with sky is the worst case for IC but they didn't show that ๐ค
cursive crypt
lol, valuable criticism.
Not many traders gonna be objective and show you the strengths & weaknesses in their products.
mint onyx
We don't do (or haven't done) any marketing for GPULM at this point ๐
cursive crypt
Hmm... I'm sure there will be some session on this or something at least. Not everybody knows it and looks good topic.
Some demos, strength and weakness stream sounds nice.
mint onyx
I am actively refusing to do that as GPULM has lots of bugs now lol