undone yew
i thought i lost unreal slackers discord in a moment
#lounge
mint onyx
Yeah, sometimes when I ask questions in appropriate channel it gets killed because someone spams or asks a question in like 10+ messages with a long ass code dump or something lol
Maybe we can have a real Unreal 'Slack' at some point
hoary imp
Awesome new art
hollow zephyr
Dat server logo though π―
winter zealot
@mint onyx what i'd do is that i'd re-ask the question several times while maybe attempting to answer simpler questions
it usually works
fresh heath
winter zealot
i'm still undecided about buying an expensive ryzen or not... if it'd really help with the compiling or not
things like this make me wonder if an expensive ryzen could improve things in a significant way https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/713334/view.html
and then of course there's the benchmark mentioned in the same post https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-coffee-8700k&num=3
it shows what are the most powerful processors but it's still a guess whether the improvement will be worth it when compiling UE4 c++
like... if it's only a 50% speed increase that's meaningless to me
fresh heath
Crap, I feel like I'm getting a fever
winter zealot
what do you mean by "jizz their pants" ?
you mean the more cores the better ? I'm unsure more cores or threads would help that much with c++ compiling
that's interesting tho
winter zealot
hah yes for some stuff more perf is good, it's great that at least shaders compiling is parallelizable in some way
sorry gtg by
quiet narwhal
c++ stuff is multithreaded as well, so more cores more fasterer
fresh heath
Threadpools ftw
lone grail
Ahoy everyone, I like the new logo
tulip orbit
needs more 
lone grail
Coming soon
light spruce
Soonβ’οΈ
bronze axle
Pretty wild to think that the UE5 preview is months away.
soft night
π Party
lone grail
Is the preview march?
harsh jolt
How can i effectively learn unreal engine
tulip orbit
by not getting advice from the ppl in this channel. π
light spruce
Surprisingly astute advice, actually.
harsh jolt
So you wont suggest me videos or books ? π¦
lone grail
For me personally I learn best when I have a goal and find learning resources on the topics I need at the time to build my project, so for example think of a project you want to make and step by step look for tutorials on how to do it, you will learn Blueprints, the UI, and more quite effectively and you will get used to things a lot sooner... well in my experience that was the case, having a project as the base to your learning I find keeps you motivated and interested in learning π
light spruce
Also try pretending that your entire life is a documentary of your struggle towards success. You get character motivation, moments of drama and frustration that all add to the story.
And when you get stuck, you think... "What would character me do?" and the answer is "get a terrible headache because he hasn't had any caffeine and days, lose the matching hand towel to a bath towel realizing that he absolutely hates the other set of towels."
real palm
I would suggest that you could learn most effectively with the proper advice but ... well, ykno
lone grail
I have successfully solved what I needed to do next, now the next thing tomorrow, I hate only having barely an hour to do work each day π¦
light spruce
It does mean you effectively have to break things down into tiny pieces... and that's one of the best ways to make progress.
unborn lotus
that is very bad advice if you're doing a puzzle
lone grail
Yep that's how I do it and it's how I'm figuring out c++, I have a linetrace shooting out the camera detecting the normal of an object, so tomorrow I'm gonna use it for a weapon pickup which is just attaching to component which should be pretty easy to figure out in c++ too
broken sigil
He is not wrong tho
Every complex system I ever needed to implement I always broke down into smaller parts/systems that connect together in the end and make up the whole thing, it's easier to think about and imagine how smaller parts are gonna work than the whole thing at once
lone grail
Yeah it's the best thing you can do, and it makes everything make more sense I agree, best skill to learn
broken sigil
yeah, even drawing a "flowchart" (or whatever it's called) is a good idea if it helps you visualize things
lone grail
I use a board site like Trello for that, I'll have a card with the end goal and under that I'll have the mini objectives, I like being organized
broken sigil
yeah^^
Stuff like that can help a ton
lone grail
I also have 2 white boards, though I haven't used them in a long time lol
broken sigil
lol
lone grail
That's a bad place for one lol
light spruce
It actually hangs up above that being a problem
broken sigil
π
light spruce
Am I seriously the only person who has good ideas in the shower?
lone grail
I tend to do a lot of my problem solving in the shower when stummped, while at work or doing mundane things I always do coding in my head
fluid bloom
next season coming to amazon prime 16th of december
which is surprisingly soon tbh π
cursive crypt
Familiar name π€
Was that, the "kinda realistic" sci-fi serial?
I think that was...
light spruce
it was
wild cobalt
Tomorrow is payday.
solid aurora
just read books ;p
fluid bloom
@cursive crypt it has pretty damn scifi stuff along with pretty mundane believeable stuff
unborn lotus
it's a bell pepper
finite lark
isn't it a pumpkin?
zinc matrix
I think it's a pumpkin
cursive crypt
Pumpkins are not upside down like this. I think it is fireball. Or these candle lamps that fly. Or maybe a musical instrument, the one that are shaken with hand. Also could be a sunset.
Honestly, no clue what is.
cursive crypt
Brave of you to think this is the back side of the pumpkin. Could be its front side.
finite lark
I like risk
north torrent
I like pie.
tawdry rune
I saw a ghost shaped rocket with wings flying toward space, and the lower right part would be the flamme of the thruster
but I guess an upside down pumpkin makes more sense
(really neat anyway)
fresh heath
ancient hornet
Microsoft will now allow employees to work from home freely for less than 50 percent of their working week
not REALLY permanent in the sense I'd take it π
but this doesn't make sense when they say they allow them to relocate to other countries even
ancient hornet
I don't understand that article actually
delicate lark
, or for managers to approve permanent remote work.
ancient hornet
hmm ok
foggy path
I wonder what rate is it gonna be for acceptance tbh
A lot of managers are old school
delicate lark
obviously it has to be decided on a case to case basis, because not everyone can do it
by the time it is a question everyone worked remotely for like 1 year at least
ashen sundial
Discord just erases typed messages if you use a GIF...great.
foggy path
that's it :P
delicate lark
4 for me, not for microsoft tho π
foggy path
oh actually I have met some of them twice, but most of them 0 or 1 times lol
ashen sundial
Anyways, fuck in office work. Remote work is the future..had a few recruiters send me messages "Remote until after Covid". Yeah okay.
foggy path
Working until after covid
delicate lark
office has its ups and downs
foggy path
yeah office is a bit of a hit and miss... really depends
ashen sundial
Office work is rarely necessary for most people, just unfortunately most people don't understand how to work without talking in somebody's face.
ashen sundial
And some people aren't productive at home alone which is understandable.
delicate lark
companies being more flexible regarding remote work is definitely a positive thing
but the whole question is way more complicated than in-office sucks, remote is the future
ashen sundial
Both are true π
foggy path
I think it'll be interesting to see how VR and AR is going to affect this
You could already do a reasonable facsimile of a meeting in VR
of course the price of equipment, lack of real good software solutions etc. is a barrier
ashen sundial
If you have an idea for an XR productivity app, you need to start working on it now. That's gonna be the next hot ticket for a while, especially when devices get better and companies start shelling out for them in place of/beside laptops.
ashen sundial
Facebook already has/is working on all that virtual office stuff for the Quest 2
foggy path
bam there you go millions in funding secured
oh sorry join.me is not the hotness anymore
zoom but for XR, there fixed
:D
ashen sundial
foggy path
it's still a bit too complicated at least with devices like Oculus Rift
Rift is great and "works", but it's not 100% reliable in the sense that sometimes you'll put the headset on, and everything's all fucky and you need to reconfigure everything
which is a no go for something like this imo
plus it's very location dependent unlike the Quest 2 and such
ashen sundial
Besides using my Vive for making some games earlier this year I had not used it since a few months after I bought it at launch. Once I took the base stations down I didn't wanna mess with them again.
VR needs lower price, no extra tracking hardware, and full wireless to become mainstream. Too bad the Quest 2 is tied into Facebook's ecosystem of garbage, it definitely hits most of the points.
cursive crypt
lol, two different vendors, almost the same material. Who took from who? Maybe both took from a 3rd person π
foggy path
3DRealms / Slipgate Ironworks is hiring a UE4 programmer π€
thin storm
hehe nice vfx
cursive crypt
No. I kinda prefer more generalists work. Being a dev is like tools, tools and tools.
lone grail
If my skills were better in C++ I would apply for something like that, I am getting more confident though the more I do it
foggy path
my C++ is rusty as fuck but I'd still apply
cursive crypt
Go apply. ++c is not to learn in few months anyway.
foggy path
but the timing's not quite right otherwise
Yeah, if you know programming in general even if your C++ was rusty, I'd say apply
cursive crypt
"rust" next to "c++" word, blasphemy
foggy path
lol
lone grail
I've learned C++ before and decent at it, I'm just practicing the UE specific stuff and learning how to make my game with it
I made my complicated combat system in all C++ so that made me happy, my next step is picking up weapon and throwing, I did the linetrace last night so not too much else to get a pickup hopefully
cursive crypt
Go apply dude, what you have to loose? Show them who you are and what you do.
You gonna learn these and more while you work too.
ofc, I'm talking in general. No clue about that company.
lone grail
I just assume companies want people who can do it well right off the bat
cursive crypt
π€·ββοΈ depends on the position and the company. Some want just a small help (lower expenses), other want more.
lone grail
The jobs I find around me mostly want senior, it's hard to find junior positions, but these days most companies are doing remote work so that does bring more opportunities to me as I live in the middle of nowhere
ashen sundial
Companies want people who are willing (and able) to learn and solve problems. The ability to Google & work through tough problems > knowing the ins & outs of specific languages.
Plus you've gotta apply + interview to know where your weaknesses lie anyways. π Your own self assessment may or may not be your reality.
lone grail
Damn I'm good at finding problems through google and problem solve my own issues, I have bad assumptions, I always feel like I'm not employable because I didn't go to school and I'm self taught, and hadn't worked professionally before, but I am confident when I work on my personal projects
lone grail
I know it's hard though, and I'm just nervous of actually going through with it
foggy path
stuff you'd do at work is probably going to be much easier and much worse than what you do in your own projects anyway lol
ashen sundial
Degrees are only really a replacement for experience to get your foot in the door, most people don't care if you're self taught as long as you're confident you know what you're doing + can learn & can display that in an interview.
lone grail
I'm a perfectionist in my own projects, and I tend to do the hardest games I can think of haha like I'm making a first person Demon;s Souls inspired game with layered directional combat, it's fun working on hard stuff though
Ayy got my linetrace to correctly work with only actors with a tag, progress!!
After doing Blueprints for 6 years, I feel like C++ is easier lol
lone grail
Off to work, have a good day everyone
tulip orbit
π
cursive crypt
@bronze axle we were discussing earlier,what is that new logo? Is it a rotated pumpkin, or it is fireball? Or it is lamp, or it is flashlight, or...
bronze axle
@bronze axle we were discussing earlier,what is that new logo? Is it a rotated pumpkin, or it is fireball? Or it is lamp, or it is flashlight, or...
@cursive crypt It's a pumpkin rotated to match the orientation of the original logo.
alpine fern
alpine fern
looks way better than the old one though so just keep it after 
cursive crypt
hmm... there we go with the conspiracy theories.
bronze axle
cursive crypt
@alpine fern nah, it looks like roasted chicken with cucumber
bronze axle
I debated whether or not to rotate the pumpkin. There will be confusion either way, so I stuck with it.
alpine fern
why would you put garbage in your roasted chicken?
bronze axle
I'm amused by all the alternative interpretations. π
cursive crypt
Its fine, we discuss now is that the back of the pumpkin or its front.
Well... you want stuffed chicken
foggy path
someone quick make an Asteroids clone with the pumpkin logo as the ship
bold fulcrum
I see a top down view of a red frog, next morning after Halloween party in the logo.
stiff narwhal
Why
bronze axle
@zinc matrix Hah, that's awesome. Did you just make that? π
I love it. But... is it made in Unreal? π
(β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
In all seriousness, that made me smile.
real palm
I.... didn't understand the orientation of the pumpkin until you directly compared the two logos. I still wanna believe in rocket powered bats.
fresh heath
βThe Covid-19 outbreak has turned the old argument about robots taking our jobs on its head,β Kutaragi said in his first interview since taking the helm in August. βItβs pretty clear now that if we want to arrive at a new normal, we need more and more robots in our daily lives.β
bronze axle
I.... didn't understand the orientation of the pumpkin until you directly compared the two logos. I still wanna believe in rocket powered bats.
@real palm It's a funny interpretation since the beta for UE4 was codenamed "Rocket". π
real palm
Quite
wintry harbor
Hey everyone! Any modders here? I had this idea of assembling a small team to create a playable mod from a game that everyone votes on, we all work together in a collaboration project to create it. We would probably move at a slow pace, but I think it would be fun to work with others and create something we are all passionate about. If youβre interested DM me. Thanks!
fresh heath
Such a nice cover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobU-VheouA
cursive crypt
tulip orbit
lol, a guy on my facebook was saying you need to shut down your computer to give it a break regularly, he's seen clients with machines that have an uptime of almost a month
me:
foggy path
20:13:48 up 353 days, 19:51, 14 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
π€
I think I had like a 700 day uptime on my home server back when I still had one lol
tbh the only reason my server doesn't have a bigger uptime than a year right now is because Linode occasionally does upgrades due to security reasons
tulip orbit
the only reason I'd shut mine down is I really need to dust off the front fan grille
its like a carpet
fresh heath
light spruce
I reboot mine because I actually install software updates
foggy path
There's an EULA on Intel stickers that come with their CPUs
so if you affix the Intel sticker into an AMD powered PC, Intel I guess can sue you
real palm
I'm affixing my intel sticker to a random non-electronic personal item. If they even find out I would not even be mad being served that suit
fresh heath
@zinc matrix "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
north torrent
Burn specializing!
bold fulcrum
I have only two points not yet completed on the list above.
And the second one is manure. I don't have a person around, whom angered me enough to have manure pitched at him.
Re: Authorized use of Intel's logo. What if you make a tattoo with Intel's logo on it? Can a court decision force you to remove it?
north torrent
The tattoo industry wouldn't exist if companies started enforcing copyright laws on them.
bold fulcrum
I would not mind monetizing certain skin percentage.
I always come in late with perfect business ideas.
foggy path
remember the million dollar homepage
you could buy a pixel of space in it for a dollar
http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ wow it's actually still around
and it looks tiny on today's monitor resolutions
:D
SVGA might have been a more regular resolution back when that started out
jovial quail
Is there a discord server for the smooth sync plugin?
north torrent
Does anyone know how to say 'open back headphones' in Chinese?
mint onyx
εΌζΎεΌθ³ζΊ
foggy path
θ³ is this "ear"
mint onyx
i happen to have some knowledge in headphones and speakers π
foggy path
just wondering because θ³ is ear in kanji :P
that's the only one that I recognized out of that jumble lol
mint onyx
π
north torrent
What is a good brand for Chinese headphones?
mint onyx
@north torrent the only open back headphone i have owned is HD800S, so i don't have much knowledge about other Chinese ones
tight panther
Hello friends πββοΈ
What is going on in the voice channels lately? I remembered them pretty empty
wet smelt
ayo guys 2 months into the whole apple-epic case thing, what's your stance on it
tight panther
Haha I thought about it since a while @zinc matrix, I just don't want to interrupt anything
Is there a limit actually?
plucky pagoda
Not that we need too worry about
tight panther
Imagine if even just 10% of online people would join
light spruce
It's easy if you try
plucky pagoda
Unless he's set a limit on it it's like 100 simultaneous users per voice channel by default.
wet smelt
hindsight is 20/20; tldr: epic is bad but not so bad
if u wanna read it:
the kids and adults in r/pcgaming have some choice words for epic games. and they do have some p solid opinions on the entire thing.
but the fact that epic kind of bitches about not having their own store on an oddly specific platform when literally every other platform chokes on the whole separate storefront thing says something. ill continue on this after i eat
light spruce
Please don't.
tight panther
π€£
light spruce
Don't throw the rest of us on that pyre.
foggy path
I'm not sure why people are so invested in a bunch of rich people bickering about what they can and cannot do :p
tight panther
I've got no experience deploying games on iOS devices, how is it?
I do a bit of enterprise management regularly on my day job though
light spruce
The same reason people will put on a football jersey and yell at a TV when only their family can hear them.
foggy path
sounds like low IQ problems 
foggy path
I enjoy watching the occasional CSGO esports match but I don't shout at my PC when it's not EZ4ENCE
tight panther
I was at ESL One Cologne in 2017, it was pretty cool
foggy path
oh nice
I thought it would be cool to visit something like that someday
if esports or international travel are still a thing after covid finally clears out
lol
tight panther
Instagram
foggy path
I just send angry DMs to allu on twitter
light spruce
Yeah, I don't know who that is either, so I still have no way to turn this into greater dipshittery
tight panther
"Are these Redbulls only for show, or can you aktshually dring dem?"
light spruce
I'm not sure if that's supposed to be after a few Red Bull and vodkas or Jamaica.... mon.
tight panther
:D
Well one of em' is a bad mix :P
I honestly have no idea how I was able to drink it some years ago..
light spruce
And that's why I just drop a straw into a 1.5L bottle of bourbon
wet smelt
I'm not sure why people are so invested in a bunch of rich people bickering about what they can and cannot do :p
@foggy path i have a year end economic project and i'd wanna hear your inputs on it
and i thought i'd wanna impress my econ teacher by actually investing some time into it
tight panther
Any Japanese game devs here btw?
plucky pagoda
Ugh... found a map breaking memory leak and bug with world comp and while I think I found a work around it requires manually loading each and every sub level one at a time, resaving it, unloading it and then moving on to the next one. This is very tedious.
light spruce
Just in the editor part or is that a runtime thing too?
plucky pagoda
It completely keeps the map from loading. Just starts devouring memory until it has none left to eat.
Packaging might fix it the same way I'm fixing it by manually loading/unloading each sub level. Idk though. Now that I think I know what causes it I'm going to change some things in how i do it to avoid it or make it easier to fix when needed.
I need to search and see if anyone else has had the same issue.
I think this fixed the level. It just went from eating up 60GB of ram to 12GB.
It still feels strange to talk about ram in GBs
light spruce
You could always use GiB instead.
plucky pagoda
I've spent more time with ram being like 32MB max than with 32GB being common.
light spruce
Ah, remember the good ol' days of having to socket individual chips?
plucky pagoda
Manual switches for IRQs
or having to right them all down so I could manually enter the IRQs to install Linux
light spruce
Clearly should have used BeOS instead
plucky pagoda
huh, never heard of that one
tight panther
How are we even complaining about tech nowadays
light spruce
I don't think that I used Linux early enough to have to deal with any kind of IRQ shit
light spruce
There have been so many distros that not even god knows.
plucky pagoda
yeah, I can't remember what it was Red hat wasn't out then
light spruce
Slackware was a pretty early one. Suse I'm not exactly sure when it came around but it coexisted
plucky pagoda
Maybe, I did use Slackware a lot. Idk when though that was a long time ago. Gentoo was another.
light spruce
Yeah. I compiled gentoo on a lot of things.
plucky pagoda
Slackware, Gentoo, Red Hat and Debian have been the main ones I've used. Every now and then I go on a spree of trying out distros though.
Haven't used Red Hat since it split into Fedora though.
I just don't have the time for it lately though.
light spruce
I used to use CentOS 7 which is basically just RHEL without the RedHat shit in it.
plucky pagoda
There was another BSD based one i use to like.
Right now I'd probably use Mint if I was going to run anything
light spruce
Now it's debian on my VM hosts and guests, opnsense for routing, and GalliumOS on my Chromebook... which is downstream from Ubuntu but somehow manages not to pull in some of the dumb shit Canonical throw in
plucky pagoda
I like their XFCE one
Yeah, Mint is Debian based. It's easier to find packages for Debian than others.
I never liked Ubuntu. I'm not hardcore about open software which is why I like using Debian but Ubuntu with its built in market stuff is too much
light spruce
I just do straight up debian with backports and updates
plucky pagoda
Mint's like a compromise between Debian and Ubuntu
Like back when flash was more prevalent Debian would make you look elsewhere for the packages, Mint would just give you the option to choose to install it
Same thing with proprietary drivers.
light spruce
that's why most people add the contrib and non-free repo
plucky pagoda
It use to be more painful than it is today. Today Linux is pretty close to windows, if not better, for ease of installation and use.
I wish we could use a pressure sensitive brush to paint foliage and landscape layers
light spruce
I seem to recall that being a requested feature about five years ago
mint onyx
for DE i like KDE the best
light spruce
If I had to use a DE for anything more than a web browser and a terminal, I might use something heavier than XFCE
thin storm
finally weekend, two full days of game joyvelopment ahead. lol
jovial talon
i3 best DE
light spruce
eh
cursive crypt
kde looks cool, but is heavy. And I will never forget the horror when I looked at the code of one of their apps.
So, gnome guy. In fact if there is terminal and quick launch with some applet for system settings I'm fine.
@mint onyx am a hd700 user. First opened cans I ever had and I think it is totally worth it. Few times I even mistook from where is the sound, from the hp or from outside? lol. Too bad they are capricious for maintenance/cleaning. I already replaced the cable after 2 years.
mint onyx
I'm probably going to sell my headphone after switching to speakers lol
cursive crypt
huh, why not headphones?
mint onyx
after listened to my speakers they just sound much better
cursive crypt
lol, well if their comparable quality. And you have the hardware to run them, or the place to put them :)
But headphones bring privacy when needed, also talking about the hardware and space... they don't have so much of that problem.
mint onyx
yep privacy the primary reason i still pull out my headphone time to time
cursive crypt
mhm... My neighbors are 30 m away from me, but if I put a speakers... not gonna save them.
@light spruce such headphones have the best surround, they will not have that 'oompf' factor tho. Depends what you look for.
light spruce
No. They don't.
mint onyx
for ppl want to start with speakers i would recommend Genelecs; get a subwoofer if you are choosing models with <5" drivers
cursive crypt
Heard good things about them. But I tend a bit toward stereo towers. My position in the room is kind of too biased. Or were you talking about stereo too?
mint onyx
π€no experience with towers; nowadays DSP room correction seems a trend, maybe that'll help with your problem
cursive crypt
hmm... will check π€
Anyway, not going there yet, as I will need an amp too and that whole another can of worms π
mint onyx
active speakers have amps builtin; some speakers like Genelec convert all analog input signal to digital to apply DSP and then convert back; they dont want to mess with typical hifi woodoosπ
cursive crypt
Oh, they were active ones. Will keep in mind. π
I'm bit fan on composites, so I have a dac and pre-amp already, just need the end step.
light spruce
As exciting as that was...
tall plume
joined the server, posted a job posting with 0s and 1s, then reposted our rules in the lounge
that might have been the weirdest mod pings ever
fallow finch
@untold aspen Mate you are using Wrong Channel for announcement btw xD Use #looking-for-talent
ancient ingot
So can I just say that having a fractured spine really sucks π
cursive crypt
No. You can't
ancient ingot
Oh...OK lol
cursive crypt
lol, my ex had few fractured pieces. 20 years later still problems. I mean, you may be better π
Also exercises must be a constant.
> 0
ancient ingot
Well this hurts like hell and the brace is seriously uncomfortable
cursive crypt
Hold on there. It will pass, do something to take your mind off.
ancient ingot
Trying , anyway bbs breakfast time!
light spruce
I recommend drugs
patent star
Been wondering... Does such a thing exist for UE4 yet? https://youtu.be/EBk5LCZfW7U
fresh heath
Switched to an improvised standing desk, my ass is starting to kill me
mossy nexus
Moon Faces? Yeah that's possible π
rare sparrow
tulip orbit
hell yeah, I need one of those
cursive crypt
Need 2 pipes for I/O
north torrent
I just ordered a new juicer, Mr. Ponkkis.
What should I put in it?
light spruce
pickles and cilantro
north torrent
Pickled cucumbers?
If I put orange juice in the blender backwards will it make an orange?
north torrent
What if I put an RTX 2080ti in the juicer?
fresh heath
@north torrent The juicer's motor will probably burn
lone grail
Goodmorning everyone
Yesterday I applied to a job in the game industry, first time of the year
mossy nexus
Who with?
lone grail
Rockstar Toronto
They're actually in a town further away but it'd be worth the commute, about 1 hr 20 min, but I applied because I'm feeling a bit more confident since the chatting here π
I doubt I'll get it, but it's a good step anyway
mossy nexus
Do you have a good portfolio?
lone grail
I have a small portfolio
mossy nexus
As long as it shows off your strengths via your own creations π
lone grail
I think they do, 2 are sculpts I did in zbrush, another is a logo I did using Blender box modeling and photoshop, and a realistic tree I did in blender, and I think a vehicle and something else I don't remember off the top of my head
Over the last while I've focused on programming, it'd be cool to do gameplay programming
foggy path
if you applied to a programming position you'd probably wanna showcase any game projects you've done or such
lone grail
Yeah, I have like a million prototypes but lack of animations make them look not great
Or my poopy animations make it look bad lol
foggy path
it probably doesn't matter that much as long as it demonstrates ability to do programming
you can balance it with showing some of the design work
lone grail
Most of what I have is done to show off is in UE blueprints not so much in code, I am confident with unity C# but I always have a hard time with player movement, anything else I can do, in UE C++ I'm getting there
foggy path
Yeah I mean as long as it shows you've got the skills you claim you have :)
BP's is programming too, it works based on exactly the same principles as text-based languages
lone grail
Yeah I actually find text based programming easier, but I just use artstation, I have a bunch of prototypes I've made on my youtube, I guess I should link that in my linkedin too
It's the brain work that matters
foggy path
I think my resume mostly just listed all the random projects I made that I thought were most interesting/impressive/relevant
(not in gamedev tho)
nowadays I don't really link my projects since I have tons of work experience, but I still link my blog and if any random other thing might be relevant
lone grail
I don't have a proper resume, the only things on my resume is retail and cooking, I'm desperate to get a job doing anything related to games, in the game industry
foggy path
yeah I mean if you make a resume then you'd just list all the cool projects you've done as relevant experience
doesn't matter if they're incomplete as long as it's relevant
lone grail
My current job doesn't support me doing any side things and so I only have like 3-4 hours a week to work on anything :(
Oh I applied to rockstar without a resume but my linkedin that I applied from shows what my experiences are
light spruce
I just want to setup a linkedin that includes nothing but shit like World of Warcraft raids
foggy path
lol
lone grail
Instead of Wow raids just say Wow QA lol
light spruce
Fuck no. I'd put down Bethesda games for that
lone grail
I added my youtube link to my About section of my linkedin as "Programming Showcase"
Nvm found a section for it lol
My youtube link shows my profile picture that is Kermit covered in blood... why can't I remove the picture from the linkedin reference lol
Owell it adds character
Since I don't have resume I hope my showcase does it instead
I don't think I'll ever get hired π lol
light spruce
But did you know that when it snows my eyes become large and the light that you shine can be seen?
foggy path
"I don't have a resume" is a bit of a bad excuse imo
you know you can just make one?
lol
lone grail
I have nothing to put on there that is relevant
foggy path
You put your skills and projects
The point isn't to tell them "I worked at this and this company"
the point is to tell them "here's why I can do this job"
lone grail
My school did a shit job teaching us how to do resumes then lol
foggy path
yeah they tend to do that
:D
I think a lot of the advice for resumes is okay.. it's not technically wrong
but ultimately the goal is to convince the employer that you're the guy they need
enough at least to get you to the interview
lone grail
well I have no idea how to write such a resume lol
light spruce
You need buzzword compliance to get past the HR filter.
Then you need something that shows someone you might actually be useful.
foggy path
well, you can look at what sorta stuff the company does and then try to extrapolate from there
so if you're applying to programming positions, you explain why you can solve the programming problems they might have
list your knowledge in different programming languages and tools, list projects like "I built X using langs X, Y and Z with tech X. It does complex thing A B and C which I solved with so and so"
lone grail
I could explain the things I did in tools and languages, but I don't really know how to explain how I solved problems, I just kinda do it that's it lol
foggy path
yeah I mean you can put a short description of what the method you use to solve it was
light spruce
Okay. Hard truth then: You will have a shit time.
lone grail
Like at school I was never able to "show my work" in math class , because I just don't know how to visually show or explain how I just figured it out in my head
foggy path
eg. "The game has NPC's which I built using Unreal's Behavior Trees and custom behavior tree decorators" or something along those lines
light spruce
The absolute best thing you can be able to do is communicate how you did something
lone grail
Okay, I mean that probably explains why I haven't got far in life lol
fathom wadi
You got this far. Thats further than some
foggy path
You don't need to really show or explain how you figured something out in your head in a resume
You just give a description of what it does
You can just look at your code and give a high level description of that :)
"The game uses markov chain to generate video titles"
fathom wadi
When asked how I worked out my code I reply "Fucked if I know Bubba. Fucked if I know"
foggy path
is a pretty decent description of a potentially interesting thing
lone grail
Okay, and it doesn't really matter on a specific format, just kinda write a header and description with a paragraph to sumarize each experience?
Lol
foggy path
Yep
Think of it this way... the person who reads your resume is looking for a reason to get you to the interview
lone grail
Okay, I'll start working on one, I actually don't work until this afternoon so I have a little while
foggy path
So you need to think of how you'd convince this person you can solve problems for them
light spruce
That part comes out as knowing how to explain what problem you were trying to solve and generally how you solved it... not necessarily the exact process. But how you work through problems is going to come up at some point... so being able to communicate that is critical.
foggy path
Usually a decent way to do it is by talking about complex things you've done
lone grail
Being able to explain vocally is much easier than writing for me
foggy path
Yeah so just talk it out by yourself
and make notes of it
and then summarize it in text
summer tulip
heard that one somewhere
fathom wadi
Just list everywhere you worked and write after it "Details under NDA" and if they ask about it, pull out a pistol and start screwing on a silencer.
lone grail
I've worked at grocery stores and resteraunts, NDA aren't shit there lol
foggy path
I'm not allowed to divulge how much a block of cheese costs
summer tulip
im kinda curious now how much ppl lie on their resume
fathom wadi
non-dairy apples. Simple.
lone grail
Actually that can be true because Ive never worked in dairy
fathom wadi
I dont lie on my resume. But there is one job where I wasn't allowed to discuss what I did for national security reasons so it looks like I refuse to talk about it π
light spruce
A lot. Though a large portion don't pull it off.
lone grail
Okay Johnny English lol
fathom wadi
hey these false flag terrorist events don't organise themselves you know
lone grail
You ever see Ice giants walking around? Youre welcome
light spruce
Power lines are up for the trolls
cursive crypt
I have been interviewing several people for dev work. It is always clear when the over-present themselves. It is the actual interview that follows where everything shines.
fathom wadi
I've covered so many areas in computing since I started that I should just have a freaking search engine textbox on my resume.
light spruce
But you have to get there.
cursive crypt
i.e. and if you lied, still no chance.
fathom wadi
I never lie. I only use tact, which is a form of socially acceptable lying.
light spruce
It's not that binary
lone grail
I usually under-present myself
cursive crypt
That acceptable yeah. Also interesting is, it does not matter whether you can solve a particular problem. What matters is your process.
That what I think and my colleagues with whom we do interviews think.
lone grail
I have a good process, like beating up a brick, break off one small piece at a time until you glued it back together
I think I went one way and reversed it in that analogy but that's okay lol
fathom wadi
I always feel I do great during interviews. I have fake confidence, enough skills to back it up, I can talk up whatever they ask (or else why would I be there?). But sometimes it doesn't matter if you do the perfect interview. Sometimes you just don't look the part in the eyes of the interviewer.
foggy path
"This resume is about me and why I'm great"
lone grail
I'm always full of anxiety during interviews so I'm usually quiet and timid, but I've never got an interview for a game studio yet, I've only applied 12 times over the last 5 years though
maybe 20
fathom wadi
Oddly enough I suffer from anxiety on a daily basis, but in an interview I can stride past it
the only time I cannot is a coding test. That will cripple me
foggy path
fake it til you make it
light spruce
Pretty much.
cursive crypt
Be fake!
- new age logo
lone grail
The thing I hope is instead of asking what my skills are someone would just give me a challenge and hire me based on that lol
fathom wadi
Thats how I started out in game dev
lone grail
I work better when I'm put under pressure
light spruce
and also half a mil of klonopin before you go into an interview
cursive crypt
Well, you can spend the night in the office always.
lone grail
I work in my bedroom 1 hour a day, and spend the rest of the day serving people who treat me like π© while getting min wage not being able to afford anything lol
light spruce
The American Dream
lone grail
Luckily I'm not american lol
I'm getting older I need a change badly, I need my foot in the door, and my game is still years off from release if work keeps giving me all the hours and give my co workers 1 day a week
fathom wadi
I spend 10 hours or so in my office not doing anything right now because I have 5 kids running around me, shouting, shitting and making it impossible to get anything done. So I wait until they goto sleep and get perhaps 2 hours done. I need to really get the fuck out of this place.
foggy path
I like the resume/cv/jobsearch advice from Ramit https://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/why-my-resume-got-me-a-job-offer-at-google/
light spruce
Instead of taking a shower and working on the building plans for the new place, I'm sitting here playing a guitar, waiting on the roof to leak, and wondering if the power will go out mid-shower or not
foggy path
a lot of his advice is a bit different from the usual nonsense you hear
but it makes a ton of sense
fathom wadi
Just walk in, slam half ounce of coke on the table, say "there's more where this came from" as your private jet flies back to Columbia.
cursive crypt
Be assertive like zucchini?
fathom wadi
It might not get you the job you wanted, but upper middle management will hire you in a heartbeat.
light spruce
I was expecting "hose it down with some Old Spice and put some beef jerky in there"
Then I remembered no one mails anything anymore.
lone grail
It's helpful to know that resumes get like 10 seconds of read time, so gotta put more impressive thing at the top
fathom wadi
boobs helps
cursive crypt
Depends on the job
foggy path
I think the 10 seconds is probably kind of made up, but it drives home the point
if there's a lot of resumes you have to get the attention
fathom wadi
At the top of my resume I add the line "Stay tuned until the end of this resume for a chance to win fuck all"
foggy path
lol
cursive crypt
If it is a bit bigger company you have just your green hr interims who do the first filter. They know nothing about the job, just perform keyword matching.
light spruce
Re: buzzword compliance
It really is the joy of competing issues. You need the bullshit to get past the first layer and then you need to have enough not bullshit for the next layer to give a shit.
foggy path
Best way is if you can skip the first layer altogether by networking
lone grail
This is my networking lol
foggy path
most people won't mind telling you who to email directly or reference you directly if you ask them as long as you know them at least a little bit
light spruce
It's unfortunately a lot harder to crash some conference party these days... since they don't exist
lone grail
Crash zoom calls
foggy path
lol
light spruce
yeah... little bit harder to catch somebody at the Zoom call bar
foggy path
you can stalk people on LinkedIn
"hey could I ask you what it's like to work at <place of employment>, I was thinking of applying"
or something
lone grail
I'm always nervous to connect with people I don't know on linkedin
light spruce
"It fucking sucks and since I work from home now I don't even get free Mountain Dew anymore."
fathom wadi
Dont do networking on Twitter whatever you do. It's fine for making aquaintances who want people to advertise their products or ego at, but in terms of networking for work purposes, it has never once gotten me any work.
You do see a lot of jobs on there if you setup for it. I guess my volume of work applied for on there is a small test case, but still... horrid place. Horrid.
foggy path
If you can sort of "naturally" connect on twitter to someone in the industry, you could potentially ask them in DM's about something
but it's probably a bit more difficult to reach out directly unless you've talked with them a bit before
mossy nexus
Oddly, just read how a guy got a job because of Twitter
fathom wadi
yeah I probably overshot my experience a little for a generalisation
I just don't get much use out of it. It causes more stress than money.
It doesn't help when people are there to make you look shit on purpose either. So every single comment is taken out of context or used against you in a kangaroo court of lawlessness.
light spruce
If I had to choose between using twitter or facebook, I'd get matches and a can of gasoline.
foggy path
just don't talk to or follow people who are like that Marc
I just unfollow everyone who's like that and miraculously my twitter experience is tolerable now
fathom wadi
It doesn't matter. I was having a discussion one day and some trumped up tart from Insomnia Games decided to make it her mission to make me a child molester and sex offender. Insomnia wont even speak to me about it even though I've gone through the hoops. It fucking burns me.
foggy path
...what on earth were you talking about if she did that?
fathom wadi
I saw a picture of a 17 year old girl and a 24 year old male (Australians) who were married. The comments below were all calling it grooming and I said they look happy to me, it's not grooming (they were married in a country where 16 is the age of consent).
But no.... apparently I am now a paedo, and, I quote "young girls should stay away from him".
Im 44, married for 8 years with 5 kids and my wife is 9 years younger than me. But yeah....
summer tulip
ur wife is 9 years ouch
summer tulip
oh nvm
fathom wadi
inappropriate mind melt moment. I keep having these micro-blackouts when I type.
foggy path
I just don't bother commenting on things like that :P
Anything that generates drama in comments -> yeah just don't
fathom wadi
Well they were bullying the couple and I don't stand by when I see bullying. I call them out.
its in my nature
light spruce
The irony.
foggy path
yeah I mean it's good to do that but twitter is a bad platform for something especially if it's a touchy subject
absolutely respond if it's something slightly less touchy
lol
fathom wadi
whats touchy about it though? 17 and married. It's a no brainer to me.
These US folk are indoctrinated to presume you aren't an adult until 21 though.
foggy path
it's not like that everywhere so you're likely to get crazies like that
fathom wadi
yeah it was mostly US folks
foggy path
and at that point the best course of action is to just block the crazy person
fathom wadi
Well, when someone with 7.5k followers, at a prominent game studio announces you are a paedophile (or rather ephebophile in this case) what do you do?
I had over 1k likes from my comment. But as many insults.
What really bugs me about it is I contacted Insomnia 4 times. Even tried to connect with the head of the HR department on Linkedin because nobody was responding.
This tweet is still up there. This twat is trying to take food out of the mouths of my children for a comment I was completely justified in making. It's literally making me depressed and weepy. As soft as that sounds. I've had nightmares about it. I am now lost as to what to do. This was 3 months or so ago and I'm still fucking angry about it.
summer tulip
well tbh
I think profession and public opinion should stay separate, otherwise you can easily get in trouble
fathom wadi
I have no money for legal help
foggy path
Yeah I don't know how it works over there but it sounds pretty clear cut so I'd imagine someone might take it even if you can't pay ridiculous sums of money for it
You could probably at least get a consultation on it for mostly free
at which point your message to Insomnia suddenly has a lot more weight when a lawyer penned it
fathom wadi
I tell you now.... this might sound like I should just get over it and get past it, but it's killed my motivation to do anything in game dev. I don't even know if I want to carry on.
if I ended up working with that class of people, I would rather shovel shit.
foggy path
That's the problem with twitter drama tbh
summer tulip
it aint only gamedev that suffers from hr sorting thru ur facebook
foggy path
For some reason the human mind immediately connects it on a very personal level like this
and then immediately also generalizes it to the whole group of people
even if it's just some rando who's lost their mind spouting bs
fathom wadi
my cathartic process is to insult the person then block them, never to hear from them again, but this is something else.
I dont want to be this angry. I'm angry enough on a daily basis at the state of the world, but when my escape (gamedev) is part of the problem, Im just not sure anymore.
anyway im gonna go cheer myself up with a huge hit on a bong. Fuck it.
have fun
foggy path
:D
Honestly I'd also maybe consider taking it to police
since slander is a crime
that shouldn't cost you a penny.
I think the one thing you can take comfort in is that if this twitter problem results in actual damage to you, eg. loss of job or something, at that point you definitely have a criminal case against them.
light spruce
a libel suit isn't quite that easy
foggy path
it seems fairly clear at this point based on what he said
at least it would get the ball rolling if it becomes a problem
light spruce
In most places it'd be civil, so you would have to file a suit yourself and prove that defamation
in the US, it'd be defamation per se so at least you don't have to prove damages
foggy path
frankly I doubt it's gonna be a problem for Marc if it's been months since then
but at least some level of comfort knowing he could take action on it if needed
if it was gonna be a problem it would have been a problem by now
light spruce
you can always take civil action, assuming you have the money to do it
I couldn't believe that Musk managed to skate on his, but he did
foggy path
huh?
foggy path
slang usage "'pedo guy' was a common insult used in South Africa
lol what a fucking thing to say
this is like.. "yeah it was okay to use the n word when I was growing up"
He probably greased the wheels of justice to get out of that... I wouldn't be surprised
light spruce
no one wants anything to do with being a jury in a civil case
foggy path
the american legal system is all kinds of fucky tbh
the whole idea of picking randos for jury duty ???
light spruce
it's... slightly more nuanced than that
foggy path
I mean probably, but it's still pretty fucky lol
fathom wadi
I don't want to take them to court tbh. What's the point? Some corp loses money and the person remains vile enough to do such things at the cost of others? Makes no sense. Taking the person directly to court? Civil case, takes years, costs loads, no legal aid, not worth it for a fake apology at the end of it all.
light spruce
When you're a defendant you can opt for a bench trial
Since my six weeks of insomnia has started, I'm going to go try not to fall asleep in the shower.
lone grail
If you do just make sure you fall laying on your side so you dont drown
Don't sleep in the tub kids
fathom wadi
My uncle died in the bath. He was bitten by a Tsetsi fly when he was abroad and it gave him narcolepsy. I always get paranoid about having a bath when im tired now.
lone grail
Sorry to hear that, I'm always paranoid of baths, I almost drown as an infant, I haven't had a bath since I was like 13, not that I can fit in a tub anyway I'm very long
fluid bloom
here's some finnish innovation for ya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIK4k1pHTo8
lone grail
Damn that's pretty clever
fathom wadi
@lone grail I drowned when I was 4. It was ironically one of the most peaceful things once you submit to it. I was lucky enough that someone saw me and fished me out of the lake. I remember watching Trainspotting where he is swimming out of the toilet and thinking "thats exactly like the light I saw as I sank"
lone grail
Dang, I've heard stories like that when people are near death or die for a moment and it's the most peaceful and relaxing feeling which does sorta make sense. I'm too stubborn to give in lol, I'm terrified of going in water chest high, it gives me panic attacks, though my gf want to help me get better at swimming once covid is over and I agreed to it, might be fun
fathom wadi
I would go swimming but it would have to be in my own pool. I don't like being in the ocean. It's not my domain at all. I wouldn't go to a public baths either. I'd rather not swim in other people's psoriasis and piss
fathom wadi
I know my piss isn't syphillated which is a bonus π
lone grail
Lol, I'm about to start my resume but unsure how to start
fathom wadi
"Hi I'm Adam, my piss is not syphillated"
lone grail
I'm not applying to be bear grills partner here
fathom wadi
then I would recommend an alternative π
"Hi, I don't know who I am anymore. So I am applying for this job in the hopes it gives me some identity in the faceless workforce. Also I can't work mondays" π
honestly I don't really know what to write either except what I know. I could write my life story but it's a bit long winded and nobody cares about more than a few years ago anyway
lone grail
My life story is boring as shit lol
Most people don't even find me making games that interesting
fathom wadi
mine is probably interesting to a psychologist, but it's not a fun story.
soft night
what ifyou cant go to store, cant came games is it more boring?
lone grail
I work at a grocery store so if I can't go to a store It would be less boring
Work on mygame all day everyday lol
fathom wadi
Part of my resume consists of being sat in a room for 10 years studying everything I could about computing from networking, webdev, game dev, ethical hacking, SEO (unethical hacking heh), and funnily enough, geo-politics and economics.
lone grail
The last 10 years for me consist of being a cook, working retail in 2 different places, and learning / doing game dev for 7 of them by myself
I learnt html5 one day but got bored and left it
soft night
being unemployed over 10years
lone grail
Are you a student?
fathom wadi
I quit webdev when HTML5 hit the mainstream. But I just started to learn it properly because I need to do something and my gamedev progress stalled 3 months ago.
soft night
i havent being a student after 2008
fathom wadi
I left college in 2002 but I was working 3 jobs there so I carried on for bit longer
cursive crypt
kinda feel old now
fathom wadi
I went to college late too. I was a musician for some years before that
unborn lotus
my question is how can you do anything at all with 5 kids..blows my mind
fathom wadi
I try wake up at midnight
lone grail
I worked 2 jobs once, after working 18 hour days 6 days a week I swore to never do it again, fucking rough doing 8 hour retail and then 10 hour cooking shifts back to back was a nightmare
fathom wadi
mine was pretty easy tbh. All 3 were part time. Tutoring for learning support, IT grunt fixing issues and for a time I ran the non-server side of the networking department whilst the team lead was sick
lone grail
Those jobs sound nice, I feel forever trapped in shit min wage retail jobs, I feel like walking out about 4 days of the week lol just can't do it anymore, My birthday was the first of my 8 day stretch and, today day 5 and just wanna collapse
fathom wadi
It was ok at first but the politics is just like any other job. If you don't fit the mould (which I rarely do) then people treat you with disdain. Like I used to be a busy body. Always trying to learn new ways to improve the network. They didn't like that. It was more work for them. They also didn't take to the fact I didn't slack off every Friday when they went to the pub. Not my fault I expect to work when im in a job but hey.
Eventually I was passed over for promotion to a kid who was kicked off his course for getting caught hacking the network. After all the work I had put in, plus I did the most perfect IT interview in history, I lost the will to do it and became a web developer instead, specialising in Flash/sql/php
I'd be screwed now if I had to go get a retail job. I'd probably end up like Brooks from The Shawkshank Redemption.
lone grail
Sounds like my job except convert to retail lol, I'm always running around getting shit done and I'm the one getting picked on, and making me feel like I'm doing a worse job than the useless employees that barely do anything, I work circles around people and get harassed for it
fathom wadi
yeah you would think that would be appreciate in IT circles too. I mean, one of the plans I had was a centralised image server for re-imaging workstations that would have saved thousands of trips around campus to put a floppy disk in a workstation and set it going. Literally would have let them sit on their arse for most of the day as that was usually the response to a failing PC. Just re-image it.
if I had been there longer, perhaps I would have been justified in a way as it lead to setting up virtual machines instead. Who knows. These people were wide-eyed at BO2k of all things so I didn't expect much.
lone grail
I wrote the first paragraph of my resume explaining a combat system I made in UE4, basically I explained what it does then used the rest to explain how I did it, is that a good way to do it?
cursive crypt
need nudes for reference
lone grail
What?
lone grail
Okay, I'm just trying to figure out how to write this resume before I go to work, so I can apply for work while at work lol
cursive crypt
Dude, you are kind of anxious aint you? I think I can understand, but after so much interviews... nothing special. You will do fine. When you get some experience there will be ground for improving. Wish you luck.
lone grail
Thanks, getting that experience is the tricky part, getting my foot in the door, I was gonna write a paragraph explaining each of my top 2 projects then the rest explain what I'm currently working on and skills I'm working on improving, I just wanted to know if that sounded like a good way to go about writing it
cursive crypt
That's to accompany your cv? You can, yea, sure.
lone grail
What's a cv?
cursive crypt
How you are exactly applying?
lone grail
Through LinkedIn
cursive crypt
hmm... I suppose they do that for you then.
tbh, never did something through that system. Kind of.
Then I guess your profile is up to date. But you want to send additional letter too?
cold mason
Nudes as anatomy references, I assume? (:
lone grail
My profile is up to date though I don't have a whole lot to put on there, I was told to do a resume thing to kinda show what I've done as personal projects and show I am employable i guess
cold mason
Well, I happen to have tens of thousands of them. Both male and female. :D
cursive crypt
lol, need micro details. in fact even one will do on this stage.
lone grail
What is an example of a micro detail?
cold mason
A skin pore level close-up? There are also many different types of pores, for different areas of the body. Mostly neutral and directional ones.
cursive crypt
Mhm, yea. something neutral will do on first step, depending on the evaluation might need more. So, do you know a place?
lone grail
I've done character work but never bothered with pores in texture design, looks super tedious
cold mason
But I don't really have specific references for those, except maybe some images can be high resolution enough to zoom and see.
But in general 3D.sk has great references.
cursive crypt
Yeah, I'm just diggin around currently. So ideas. Gonna check them out π
Ah, yes... was looking at this one.
cold mason
Another great one is Surface Mimic site, but those are for actual use as sculpting/texturing, not references per se.
Also, Substance Source has tileable micro skin details/materials, but they're not references either.
cursive crypt
Yeah... I think there are enough texture sources. Gonna dig around. Thanks.
twin birch
Instagram
cursive crypt
@cold mason working on character shaders. I got something done, but don't like it and I want to experiment around.
cold mason
Oh, cool. (:
cursive crypt
Hmm... maybe I can ask my ex for a photo session π‘ but she might not understand π€
lol
cold mason
Depending on what kind of references you need from her, lol.
cursive crypt
Skin really
That 3dsk is not so bad... found few nudes, might be able to assemble something from the tens of pictures.
cold mason
Glad you found something useful.
cursive crypt
kudos to all these ppl showing up over there, lol. There is variety.
cold mason
3D.sk's references are something I use from time to time, but mostly I use anatomy books, 3D scans, Γ©corchΓ©s etc.
lone grail
Lol
cursive crypt
I have a nice book over here, but is kinda painted, lol. 3d scans, if you have - ofc. But on that site there are many too.
cursive crypt
Imagine convincing your boss, you need that premium for ph - for research purposes
cold mason
Tbh, I'd rather work remotely if it comes to working on nude base bodies of characters. :D
cursive crypt
Why? Well, I'm mostly remote anyway. Tbh, my ex sometimes bathes an eye on my char work for her own amusement.
cold mason
I tend to look at A LOT of anatomy references to get things right on my sculpts.
lone grail
After work tonight or before work tomorrow I'll apply to a bunch of places using that resume, fingers crossed people are impressed lol
cold mason
Your portfolio is the one that matters the most though.
lone grail
I have one of those too
cold mason
"One of those too". That should be the primary concern.
lone grail
Yeah I set it up long ago so it's fine
it's updated dont worry
It's small but shows all different sorts of work
cold mason
Just curious, can we see your portfolio?
lone grail
I know everyone would say it's shit
summer tulip
how come
lone grail
It usually happens, I don't usually show many people my work
foggy path
tbh you sound a lot like a friend of mine who's a self learned artist / vfx guy
he was like nah man I'm never gonna get a job
looking at his stuff is like okay yeah this is some pro level stuff
lone grail
https://www.artstation.com/adamdrysdale
Okay take a look
lone grail
Thanks, that one I did off a whim because I'm bad at 2d art so I messed around with vector art after seeing Firewatch art lol
cold mason
What kind of job you're trying to apply to? A game studio?
lone grail
Yeah a game studio, pretty much anything in a game studio
foggy path
yeah it definitely reminded me of Firewatch :)
lone grail
I just really want my foot in the door with something I can replace my current job
Oh that's good to hear π
I have my youtube linked on my linkedin as well to show functional things I did with programming, but it's just projects I've worked on and abandoned but they still show work
cold mason
Well, first you need to do fully finished, optimized and textured low poly game assets. With high poly models you've baked normals, ao, curvature etc. Materialized, textured, posed, lighted and rendered (real-time rendering such as UE4, Unity or Marmoset Toolbag) them.
lone grail
I know, I just have focused more on working on my games than the art side because I've been trying to make my own indie games but it's just I haven't done anything recently for the portfolio because it's just recently I wanted a job because my current job is being shite and giving me no time away from work to do anything so I haven't even had the time to do any art at all, for the forseeable future I'm stuck with what I got
I gotta get to work though, cya guys thanks for the input
foggy path
I found an old CV of mine where I've actually listed talking on servers like this as an item lol
under "Mentoring"
because frankly, that is what helping others on platforms like this is
just an unorthodox idea you can put into your CV :D
lone grail
Lol
cold mason
I hate to say this, but with that portoflio, you're gonna have very slim chances to get a job in the game industry. :/
lone grail
I know I probably wont get anything but I need to try or I dunno I feel stuck and done
cold mason
No matter the resume, CV or previous work experience.
lone grail
which is fuck all lol
foggy path
It sorta depends on how his game projects look like tbh
summer tulip
just needs more stuff imo. Finished stuff, aka game-ready assets.
foggy path
Not all gamedev roles need you to be some kind of gfx guru imo
I know my gfx skills is fuckall but I can code :P
lone grail
Yeah I might do more props and items focused around box modeling I might have time for that
cold mason
I'd recommend becoming a 3D prop artist. Start making props, but with a proper pipeline. (;
lone grail
My pipeline is usually model in blender then put into Ue4 lol
But gonna be late for work, so gotta get going
cold mason
That's fine. You can create HP, LP, UV unwrap the LP and even bake in Blender, and maybe texture it elsewhere, like in Substance Painter.
foggy path
telephone asset I made for my game lol
I probably could make it look better, but frankly it won't make the game any more complete, so that will do for now :D
lone grail
I want to get substance Painter, so I guess this is a good excuse lol
summer tulip
ngl ive seen good stylized textures done in blender, but it's just a quicker and non-destructive workflow in substance. Especially if you need realistic results.
cold mason
I did an acoustic guitar's high poly earlier this year. I'll give it to one of my character projects.
cold mason
summer tulip
who needs normal maps
cold mason
We need them for game assets... still for now. :D
summer tulip
im thinking how much overhead a normalmap is sometimes
cuz some assets can surely go without
cold mason
With carefully face weighted vertex normals you can go a somewhat long way without normal maps.
fresh heath
summer tulip
the thing that made him talk
cold mason
Anyway, this quick visit of mine to this discord was kind of "semi-goodbye" to Unreal Engine, because I'll switch to Marmoset Toolbag 4 when it comes out. π
summer tulip
ouch
cold mason
Thanks.
Oh, nice. Ukulele. (:
That'd probably work in future, in UE5 or something, lol.
Why not actually optimizing it though?
fresh heath
Apparently UE5's Nanite is only for static meshes, raw dyntopo-sculpted characters are out of luck lol
cold mason
I'm anal about great optimization, so at least I'm not in trouble, lol.
cold mason
I don't put anything in ArtStation, which isn't a fully done portfolio piece. I only put specific stuff I wan't my potential employers to see and hire me for.
mossy nexus
But how do you art without a station?
cold mason
It's a best porftolio form there is.
mossy nexus
Not bad... just misunderstood π
foggy path
lol
broken sigil
but how do you station without art π€
foggy path
I have been told people enjoy my bad MS Paint scribbles
like this one 
But yeah I'm a coder not an artist although I do enjoy pretending I know how to art
just never got very good at it :D
mossy nexus
There is a woman who runs a highly successful tattoo business - she is awful at art, and that's why people go to her. π
cold mason
My portfolio isn't greatest either. Hopefully I can get at least two of my bigger character projects done this year.
broken sigil
I'm mainly a programmer but I do have some experience in art π
foggy path
nice
cold mason
Not bad, from a programmer. :D
foggy path
I find 3D easier than other forms of art tbh
cold mason
Same.
cold mason
Here's my portfolio: https://www.artstation.com/fourtynights
I'll probably delete the last two when more projects come soon.
broken sigil
oh nice π
I never managed to make good looking character models, I mainly did hard surface modeling, that was while I was still unsure if I want to do programming or 3d modelling
cold mason
Thanks, even though my upcoming projects are improving many things on the anatomy, clothing, hair etc.
Also, I'm adding a whole little environment for one of the projects. To have better lighting.
broken sigil
nice
cold mason
Yep, every project teaches us to do things better in next ones.
Thanks. (:
Yeah, not the greatest skin texturing and eye shading. Was my first realistic character.
foggy path
windows has a built in night light mode nowadays btw
don't need f.lux for that anymore
cold mason
Oh, right. Wait, yeah. :D:D Now I see your nickname in a different light, lol.
No perkele sentÀÀ.
foggy path
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fading mesa
Arrays start at 0 in c++ π³
plucky pagoda
Isn't non-zero based the exception?
broken sigil
starts at 0 because the array's data pointer always points to the first element in the array
So when you do Array[1] it internally does DataPtr + 1 which is accessing the second element since DataPtr already points at the first element
jovial quail
Apparently UE5's Nanite is only for static meshes, raw dyntopo-sculpted characters are out of luck lol
@fresh heath Where are you getting that from?
fresh heath
@jovial quail I don't remember exactly but it was in Epic's official materials somewhere
As far as I remember, Epic didn't rule out skeletal meshes completely, but those won't be supported by Nanite on launch
jovial quail
So characters and moving meshes won't be supported soon
kind of disappointing
let's hope lumen delivers, at least one cmon...
mint onyx
it is possible to attach static Nanite meshes to characters though
so you'd have high res equipments π
moving meshes are supported
Deformables are the real problem
fresh heath
A bunch of my animations somehow got imported from Blender to Unreal with the frame rate listed at 1920 fps, wtf
jovial quail
moving meshes are supported
Deformables are the real problem
@mint onyx oh that's cool
fresh heath
Nanite reminds me of MegaTexture for some reason
Remember that one?
Interesting
So they are all downsampled to 30 fps internally?
jovial quail
I think the standard is 30fps and going above that isn't somethings the developers though of so it's not going to benefit you
mint onyx
Nanite reminds me of MegaTexture for some reason
reasonable connection, as Virtual Texturing (Mega Texture) does share some ideas with Virtual Geometry (Nanite) @fresh heath
light spruce
That kind of texturing is the answer to "how do I skip draw calls?"
There's a lot of static shit that makes their terrain stuff work now which is why you can't deform it in realtime.. so it's not super surprising seeing that going forward with other objects
hoary imp
I wonder how many people in the world are capable of harnessing the power of unreal
lone grail
ποΈ
Gotta straddle it like a bull
It can get crazy and out of hand sometimes, but only the strong can hold tight
light spruce
Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
lone grail
I dunno
Oh I'm gonna start focusing solely on my portfolio and put my game on the back burner for a bit, so pretty excited to get back into just art, also a back up if no studio wants me, I can sell my models on different marketplaces, back up plans π
real palm
Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
@light spruce LAAAAAANAAAAA
pearl compass
fluid bloom
why doesn't EGS use system locale settings for displaying dates? π€
Sale ends 10/15/2020 at 6:00 PM
light spruce
because the only thing dumber than putting the day before the month is not using the ISO standard
cursive crypt
coz frontend never heard of else, let be happy physics engine is not workin in stones and lb
jovial quail
lmao
foggy path
I don't get it either lol
median wraith
Question here, if you got a train game lets say, and it moves and generates random world where just spawn a 1km area around but can move forward indefinitely and where the player can walk outside of the train for some meters, what could be the best solution to solve this ?
World Rebasing is a thing but someone have any idea about what could be the best solution for this ?
foggy path
you could even move the assets instead of the player :D
sounds like rebasing would be a simple way to go about it though
median wraith
well as named isn't a solution
as the player can walk around
what you named work for cases ala linear moving things etc lets say Metro Exodus between maps the train is static and the background moves
here I need something ala Raft game
or minecraft, but without store the world
foggy path
I've not used world rebasing so not sure if it has some limitations but it sounds like a good way to do it
otherwise you'd have to manually move everything around or use some kind of other tricks to teleport the player and the world around from time to time
median wraith
the problem is on world rebasing the distance keeps don't ?
foggy path
what do you mean?
median wraith
if the train moves with rebasing at 5km you will get the 5000 meters
but the world origin moved isn't ?
I would want to get the relative to the world origin
π€
not sure at all how it works I have to check
cursive crypt
zinc matrix
Oh. That's a good one:
When i was a filthy corpsebreath ππ₯©βοΈ i used to think meat tasted incredible. Turns out the chicken enchilladas and chili con carne only tasted good because of the spices and oils i drowned the meat in. Raw chicken tastes fucking awful, a well-spiced vegetable curry tastes sooooooo much better.
whoops sorry π₯° i meant mmmm baconπ₯π₯π
@zinc matrix read the text again... you didnt see it
the meat is also spiced up .
XD
foggy path
Can you make chicken sushi
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix why do you need to drown your meat to spices? to make them taste better? π€
median wraith
Well I think then you only need spices
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix i do. you don't
median wraith
@foggy path no, cuz the chicken is called Caroline
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix why choose animal agriculture with spices if you can choose plants agriculture with spices with same taste.
that is the main point
median wraith
Well I thought Minecraft teach that from start you shouldn't eat things without cook them before
is the man with glasses the same one that used to be called vegan no idea what ?
that's like when you got a friend that want to turn you gay each time he can and have the chance
zinc matrix
I am not that guy. whoever that is?
zinc matrix
fuck
@zinc matrix ok so but seriously now. why do you choose meat over tofu ?
if both taste great with spices
why do you choose killing an animal over killing a plant?
ancient ingot
@median wraith help!!
zinc matrix
no you don't. duh.
foggy path
an animal once insulted me when I was a child
and it has caused me so much trauma and stress
every time I see an animal
so now my revenge will be to eat them
light spruce
I immediately turn them into tacos
zinc matrix
then you should eat that animal. its called a human.
foggy path
What's wrong with you
foggy path
why would you eat humans are you wrong in the head
zinc matrix
cause you eat meat? hello?
foggy path
humans aren't made of meat
foggy path
we have skin, bones and muscles and things
zinc matrix
how dreadful
foggy path
that's not meat is it now
zinc matrix
that youre not consistent
i thought only dogs are inconsistent
seems like you're too
foggy path
yeah I need to have some drugs to help with my inconsistency
cursive crypt
... πΏ
foggy path
helps me be more regular in the toilet
north torrent
Any animal that eats an animal with the same kind of DNA is at risk of many diseases that are not associated with eating an animal of a different species.
ancient ingot
@north torrent I am sick :(
north torrent
They probably still get diseases from it. They just reproduce so fast their deaths from said diseases don't end up mattering.
There are certain brain diseases in humans that come from eating human meat, and I guess if a rat got a brain disease nobody would notice.
light spruce
you'll never take my bat wing jerky from me
foggy path
I forgot some reindeer jerky into my old car when I sold it
it was in a really hidden cubby hole
I sometimes wonder if the new owner ever found it... :D
north torrent
I'm trying to figure out how to vacuum seal juice...
Do you have a vacuum Mr. Zomg?
foggy path
of course
north torrent
Do you use it on juice?
foggy path
I don't think that would work π€
foggy path
I have some carpets but it's not like american style whole-floor-is-carpet thing
it's still a lot easier to vacuum the floors than having to sweep or something :D
probably just use a cloth to wipe it off :P
light spruce
no one else is wondering about the presence of a fresh-squeezed seal?
north torrent
light spruce
I want a jelly doughnut... but filled with gravy
median wraith
@foggy path yeah help!!
foggy path
Not sure, maybe you can somehow choose what material is used with it? Then you should be able to make a material with that behavior I think
fucking owned^
foggy path
Oh damn did you not get a response from him so you had to tag him?
it's so freaking obvious what you're doing it's not even funny
lone grail
Ooooh damn
zinc matrix
@foggy path why would i make jokes about how to not support killing of animals?
how disgusting is it to make jokes about that?
"hey leets make jokes about people who dont want animals to die for humans"
luuul
π₯
north torrent
I'm a banana.
foggy path
I'm allergic to bananas please don't
north torrent
Then don't touch me.
foggy path
lol
north torrent
I bought a miniature subwoofer that I can wear on my wrist...
Don't ask me why, because I don't know.
north torrent
No.
zinc matrix
WHY NOT
foggy path
Oh now he just completely gave up
not even pretending to be serious about the topic anymore
:D
light spruce
China is fucking weird, bro