I need to try that Subnautica DLC thing at some point
#lounge
foggy path
zinc matrix
there is no justification for eating meat.
foggy path
I wonder how far along are they with it now
light spruce
no idea
I know two things about it: the name, and that there isn't a grapple arm in it
and if I can't be Underwater Robot Spider-Man then I don't even care
foggy path
:D
I clearly need to add a grappling hook to my game
even though it would be 100% out of place to have one
light spruce
It's on the list of essential mechanics.
Every game needs a grappling hook. Every game needs double jumping. Every game needs a stake launcher.
Dubstep gun. Every game needs a dubstep gun.
Nah. Zombies aren't essential. Kinda like wall-running. A staple but not a requirement.
zinc matrix
Dubstep has been criminally underused as a weapon
I mean what else has that kind of offensive power.
foggy path
Biebergun
zinc matrix
See that is more of a status effect item
foggy path
lol
light spruce
It was unnecessarily powerful in Saints Row 4
foggy path
any of you play Moonwalker on Genesis?
You could do a special move in it where MJ would start dancing and all the enemies joined you
and at the end they'd just die
:D
light spruce
I'll do you one better. I also played the arcade one.
zinc matrix
Did it have a DDR style mat where you had to dance like MJ
light spruce
It's probably a good thing that it didn't.
foggy path
I guess you coulda done it on the nintendo activator mat thing?
zinc matrix
Seeing the time it was out in, I would not be surprised if it did
Peripherals back then were wild
foggy path
I don't think any games really used a DDR type pad until... DDR
light spruce
Power Pad. I believe the Activator was the name of that stupid ring thing for the Genesis
light spruce
The flip side of the Power Pad had something for a... I don't think it was a dance game exactly
foggy path
Track & Field?
:D
I actually saw a video recently about playing CSGO on a dance mat
light spruce
Dance Aerobics
foggy path
it seemed to work about as well as one might expect
light spruce
I've seen someone play it with a steering wheel
Dark Souls played with both a guitar controller and some drum pad thing
zinc matrix
Dark souls on a dance mat I have seen
I feel like that sentence is grammatically weird
light spruce
That's fucking stupid. Do you know how hard it is to throw a dance pad across the room?
light spruce
A lot harder than a controller
"Released as Manhattan Police (マンハッタンポリス) in Japan,[16] Street Cop is a game where the player has to chase after criminals while jumping over things and using the club to apprehend the foes. The player has to step on the buttons corresponding to each of the cop's actions, such as moving, jumping and clubbing."
zinc matrix
I don't know, I have never seen a controller either, they do exist here, I have never seen them.
light spruce
do you just live inside an active volcano or something?
light spruce
"Rai Rai! Kyonshis: Baby Kyonshi no Amida Daibōken (来来! キョンシーズ。 ベビーキョンシーのあみだ大冒険, Come come! Fallen Corpses: Baby Fallen Corpse's Amedia Great Adventure) is the tenth and final game released for the Family Trainer series by Bandai, and it was released only in Japan on January 26, 1989." What the fuck?
zinc matrix
Also here, you don't get stuff to game on.
You buy a pc for School and then get the games when sales make them cheap enough
light spruce
South Korea?
zinc matrix
India
light spruce
Practically the same thing.
Korea, India... same number of letters... both end in an A
zinc matrix
Except Gaming is or pretty big in South Korea
light spruce
I think they might still do the "go out and play video games somewhere else" thing
"rent PC time to play League of Legends that would run on your bathroom scale"
zinc matrix
Also for most of my gaming life, I had a potato pc, so I have played titles that people would not think an Indian guy who started gaming in 2016 would have played.
Like Zelda, no one here in India knows Zelda.
light spruce
and here I was hoping it was going to be something like OG XCOM
zinc matrix
I have not played XCOM
I did play Fire emblem though
Which is like XCOM in a lot of aspects
light spruce
Just play nothing but old DOS games until you lose your mind.
Or for thirty minutes. Whichever happens first.
zinc matrix
I have finally started to play some newer games now, so no thank you.
I will use my not potato laptop to game
light spruce
my notebook is a 200 dollar chromebook running Linux.
zinc matrix
I am sad that I don't know if that is cheap or expensive
Rupees and dollars don't work well
light spruce
It's pretty cheap
zinc matrix
Okay I know we have different economies so it makes sense, but 200 dollars straight turned into rupees is a decent amount of money
Like that is the more than the average salary a graduate gets
light spruce
37% of a Glock 19 Gen 5. 40 cups of a small flavored latte at a local coffee shop. 2 353 extra large eggs. 238 liters of Coca-Cola.
foggy path
200 dollars is like less than half of my rent :P that kind of salary would really not work here
it's kind of interesting how that stuff happens tbh since the cost of things doesn't really change by region and yet in some countries it's a lot cheaper
but taxes and exchange rates and all sorts of things just affect it I guess
light spruce
I actually didn't realize how cheap eggs were.
foggy path
I don't even know how much eggs are :X
light spruce
I don't eat them very often. Ate too many of them on keto many moons ago... so most of the time I'd rather eat cardboard
foggy path
heh
I don't really know how much anything costs at the grocery store tbh
I don't really look at the price of food because I know I can afford it and it doesn't matter :P
foggy path
bio?
solid aurora
organic
foggy path
ah
solid aurora
idk how it is in english
foggy path
I think organic :)
solid aurora
unless I'm on the local market, where I known who sells what then it is cheap and organic : D
foggy path
I think there's two varieties of that when it comes to eggs
slightly more free chickens
and a lot more free chickens
:P
solid aurora
and chickens on free air eating whatever they want ;p
light spruce
"cage-free" eggs just mean "there's a billion chickens shitting everywhere in what amounts to an airplane hangar"
solid aurora
that's the one i buy
foggy path
there's a thing here nowadays where you can rent chickens to keep at your house
solid aurora
wait
if I have actuall house
I don't need to rent chickens
I just have them : D
foggy path
well it's kinda like people don't necessarily want to actually become chicken farmers so they might just rent chickens for a month or two during summer holidays or something
that's the idea from what I understand anyway
solid aurora
well yeah, I just never assumed keeping like 5-7 chickens is an issue
but then
my grandpartens had them and we had them for some time
so my idea might be skwed : D
light spruce
no farm animals for me
I'm pretty sure Josh from Let's Game It Out suffered some kind of traumatic brain injury
https://youtu.be/X77MHTOEwXo?t=331 really, what is wrong with this man?
fringe sundial
its super slow couse its rendering all the splides and all of the objects moving on the belts
light spruce
okay, I thought that was crazy... I was wrong. He managed to build something that takes coal 3 hours to travel from the mining site to his base.
fringe sundial
it also shows something. Belts only calculate when you look at them
i would like to see satisfactory codebase,i wonder how exactly do the belts and machines work to achieve scalability
light spruce
all instanced and the objects on the belts aren't actually real, I think
fringe sundial
yeah, thats for sure
they dont exist if you dont look at them
thats important because unreal engine bottlenecks HARD on moving instanced meshes around
obviously each object type is likely not an actor, it would crap too much
maybe even each belt isnt an actor
light spruce
There's a fixed item rate for a particular belt type. There's a minimum of spacing between items. So you could just have it be an array with a timer. If your input rate is lower than the output rate, then you wind up with empty values in the array.
fringe sundial
nope, timers arent enough
for the scalability the guys have
timers are cheap but not that much
maybe it does something similar to factorio with tryhrded data arrays
light spruce
You have to have timing somewhere or you'd never know when it gets there.
fringe sundial
yeah but it probably does it centralized
or maybe one system per "chain" of belts
so if you have a very long belt chain
it actually is only 1 "object"
and that calculates the scrolling on the stuff on it
light spruce
yeah, that's what I was talking about
fringe sundial
factorio goes even one step ahead. It only "scrolls" the first object in a chain of belts
and the other objects are not calculated every frame, just calculated as "offset" from the first
interesting thing, look at the belt weave vs the cone
belt weave doesnt nuke fps
cone does
i think its due to how bottlenecked unreal engine is when moving isntanced meshes
if you do some serious tryharding with niagara you can kinda skip those overheads
but generally its horribly slow because unreal only lets you update instanced meshes 1 at a time
light spruce
oh the belt weave definitely tanks fps with stuff on it
and the update rate on the visuals is absolutely distance dependent
fringe sundial
if i was to make it myself
each belt chain would be one "object"
which keeps an array of stuff in it, ordered
then that gets scrolled every game tick
and if its in view and needs rendering, it gets converted into instanced mesh positions
light spruce
That's what I'm thinking it does. It'd be interesting to see if it performed like total dogshit if you just kept making short belts and splitters.
fringe sundial
each belt section is likely 1 spline mesh, or a few of them
ancient ingot
stop reverse engineering it in real time you making me think im thick lol
light spruce
that's spelled with three c's
ancient ingot
😛
light spruce
At least this game doesn't make you deal with belt sides like Factorio
fringe sundial
but thats the fun part of factorio
everything is more detailed and complex
except you also have stuff like bots
to easily copypaste rigs
in satisfactory, making everything manual is super annoying
sometimes i just want to copy a rig i made for X and change recipes to Y
or i want to create a 20 long chain of smelters
fringe sundial
but having to do everything individually is SUCH a huge pain
light spruce
last time I played, I used a mod that made the arms less dumb
Also made using train cars as buffer boxes slightly less irritating
fringe sundial
im playing with splace exploration
and krastorio
so i have new recipes on stuff and also send stuff to the moons and back
space stations with manufacturing and other fun stuff
fluid bloom
I'm disappointed if the 3000 series GPUs can't handle dynamic/vertex animated stuff in their RTX solver chip
fringe sundial
@fluid bloom not gonna happen
that would need hardware acceleration BVH building
it exists, but its still researchy and not good to plug in gpus
light spruce
never stopped nvidia before from cramming random expensive shit into cards
fluid bloom
<--- proud owner of the first GPU that had hardware transform and lighting
light spruce
I'm proud to have never owned a 3dfx product
solid aurora
3090 seems so overegineered this time that I see only two possibilities
production process is crap
RDNA2 is actually better than we think and nvidia want to make sure they stay on top
light spruce
or just "nvidia"
soft night
nvidia voodoo card owner right here
tulip orbit
stocks: buy high, sell low. right?
light spruce
get high and get low
stiff crystal
everyone prepared for more gigarays now?
ancient ingot
🍿
solid aurora
my credit card is ready
but for real
I'm also waiting to see RDNA2
it's pointless yo buy now if month later there will be AMD new gpu
cold heath
hi
fringe sundial
@solid aurora rumors of big navi put the flagship RDNA 2 gpu at basically the xbox series X but double the cores
such a thing would be an absolute unit of a gpu
given the xbox is around 2080 super level
solid aurora
yeah been looking at it for some time
it seems like RDNA2 might be really monstrous if they put it at 350w of TDP
the Xbox version is basically cut in half
and generate like what 150w ?
that's nothing for PC
and honestly I'd like to get AMD GPU this time around
because of linux drivers
solid aurora
it really titan equivalent
next year there will be something like 3080 super ti with the same amount of cores lower frequences and half memory
this time around
i'm cautiously optimistic
that AMD have something at least very close to actual nvidia flagship killer
especially since games on PC finally started to catch with AMD architecture
ancient ingot
can unreal safely handle a terrain that's 10x10km ?
ebon onyx
Visually, yes. That's playable? No. You run out of transform precision and start sacrificing accuracy after 2km.
But that'll be the case for almost any engine, at least for multiplayer
ebon onyx
You can't shift the server, only the clients. Anything related to gameplay will still have issues
ancient ingot
hmm so i have to find a sweet spot above 2k that works reasonably well? that's gonna be way under a decent landscape size though
fresh heath
fluid bloom
more and more I think we should cordon off USA from the rest of the world 😄
bronze axle
Unfortunately, that's not on Bandcamp.
PayPal is following government regulations, and this is the unfortunate collateral damage. 😦
noble quest
@fluid bloom This is faaaar from just a US thing my friend
fathom wadi
Facebook's new term they are adding. Which won't be exploited in any way at all, no siree bob, not at all.
fluid bloom
US sanctions on Iran, no?
noble quest
Yes? But that's not what I'm talking about. This is an algorithm error
That's what the problem is
noble quest
Ah ok. Sorry that's my bad. I have trouble reading a situation sometimes
rigid shoal
I also wish America was isolated from the rest of the world. 🇺🇸
fluid bloom
we should put USA in a room with China and make some popcorn
soft night
RTX on Fortnite
noble quest
@rigid shoal Is it just me or is your pfp broken?
rigid shoal
@noble quest I guess just you. Looks fine on my end?
faint dock
but also 100W more
solid aurora
whatever
faint dock
250 to 350w
solid aurora
my water cooling is ready
faint dock
same, but it's not as silent anymore
good that i'am smart: replace the 16core TR with a 4900x when it's out
same TDP in the end 🤡
solid aurora
ooo
nvidia io subsystem
knew it they will do it against consoles
damn
it will hard to stop my self
for month from buying it
soft night
partnership with windows too
proud pier
That 3080 though
proud pier
"This is flagship"
It would be sad if so
(But I guess technically it's true for current flagship)
tranquil sonnet
They usually announce the "ti" versions later I think
faint dock
yeah
proud pier
Nice presentation though
solid aurora
rumors were hot with 3090
faint dock
there's a hole between 3080 and 3090
proud pier
I doubt they will do 3090 this year though
solid aurora
especially from third party vendors
faint dock
holy shit
faint dock
is it gold?
proud pier
soft night
its have compacted PCB there
fresh heath
faint dock
look ma, what i cooked up
proud pier
Thermals op
ancient hornet
it looks good at least
faint dock
700?
proud pier
Looks like it
proud pier
I wasn't paying attention... but I guess he annoucned it before that slide?
solid aurora
3090
proud pier
Well, guess he just did
faint dock
that's 850 euro
soft night
its in the slide
faint dock
500
bronze axle
Really impressed with these prices.
proud pier
I have a 1070ti
solid aurora
where is the true 1400$ high end ?
proud pier
boo, $499
faint dock
one more thing TM
proud pier
$499 used to be the XX80 series if you all remember
20-series they secretely switched pricing/model numbers 😉
faint dock
yeah prices are steeper than 20 series
tranquil sonnet
Did they have a new PSU connector too or was that some kind of rumor only?
faint dock
the psu adapter comes with the GPU
proud pier
I guess these are the new prices for xx70 and xx80 series
faint dock
that's what we said 2 years ago lol
proud pier
Aye, I skiped 20 series because of that
faint dock
same
fresh heath
Now it's time to upgrade my 1070
proud pier
Hoped 30-series would have came back down on prices
faint dock
didn't want to get 1st gen RT
proud pier
It's decent pricing, but meh
proud pier
Nope, it's over
faint dock
2nd gen looks way more like it
proud pier
I still don't know if I need RTX, so I'll just wait until next year
faint dock
did they mention VRAM size?
solid aurora
no
bronze axle
Now it's time to upgrade my 1070
@fresh heath Same here. Building a new machine for Black Friday. Since these are at the same price point as the 20 series equivalents, I'm probably going with a 30 series card (unless of course there are glaring issues at launch).
solid aurora
but it doesn't matter really
faint dock
why
solid aurora
they are supporting DirectStorage
soft night
the beast is sitll to come
faint dock
now
solid aurora
finally
faint dock
it comes
solid aurora
my new GPU!
bronze axle
Here comes the beast.
solid aurora
YEAHH
bronze axle
Holy shit.
solid aurora
i can kill someone with it
fresh heath
3090
faint dock
say goodbye to your pcie slots
bronze axle
Very cool, but completely unnecessary for my work.
ancient hornet
so did they drop the Ti system and just up the number? why not
bronze axle
I'll be sticking with a 3080 at most.
ancient hornet
unless they plan a 3090 Ti !
faint dock
8k lol
solid aurora
it doesn't matter if I need it for something
faint dock
@solid aurora nobody's going to take you serious if you don't have a 8k tv too
fluid bloom
mmm fresh from the oven
faint dock
you gonna need that
solid aurora
whatever
faint dock
😛
solid aurora
only thing that matters
is that I have it
along with threadripper
😄
but for real
solid aurora
the numbers are not that much different
fresh heath
I wish AMD stepped up
solid aurora
meh I can wait all my life for new thing
proud pier
And price drops 😉
solid aurora
upgrade from 1080ti is worth it now
soft night
if you want to titan level beast get RTX3090
faint dock
i also guess there;s limited availability at the start anyway
and price scalpers waited 2 years for this
fluid bloom
I might just get nvidia simply due to dlss, anything to get rid of TAA
solid aurora
you won't get rid of TAA
fluid bloom
lies and slander
solid aurora
you can make it sharper ;p
ancient hornet
the NVidia own RTX samples example teach you TAA in like a few steps after the start 😄
faint dock
where we are going, we don't need no TAA
fluid bloom
@faint dock no amount of pixels will help with aliasing
faint dock
your eyes want to have a word with you
faint dock
at some point you just don't see it anymore
faint dock
ok
bronze axle
I'll get a 3080 for my workstation and two 3090s for my workout.
fathom wadi
How many triangles do we even need to render these days? I mean, if UE5 heads up the pixel ratio rendering at 1:1 and we can scale up, do we really need a 3090? The answer is yes. Now give me all your money sound of gun cocking
bronze axle
Unless I start getting very demanding client work in the future, I can't imagine buying a 3090. So far out of my league.
fathom wadi
I don't want it for client work. I just have a fetish for powerful GPUs. My 1080ti is still rocking 4k games at 60hz so I ain't complaining tho.
OLED on the gpu is like putting flowers on the inside of a turd. You ain't ever gonna see it so what's the point?
First thing I did when I got my 1080ti, found out how to turn off all the lights. I mean, sure it's nice in a display case. But mine is under the desk being looked at by my feet
And now for something completely different....
Neural network in a weekend. Have fun.
ancient hornet
I don't see the problem
fluid bloom
can't wait for the module system
getting rid of header files will make it far more enjoyable to write 😄
fathom wadi
I don't see why headers are such an issue. I mean, the code has been using it for what 30 years? You would think if it was such a hinderance then it would have been dealt with by now :/
fluid bloom
I don't want to do the job of a compiler
fathom wadi
what it could use is some algorithmic system that finds missing headers and incorrect headers properly
fluid bloom
module system will make all that way better
fathom wadi
isn't that replacing one caveat with another?
fluid bloom
no?
fathom wadi
Modules still have to be loaded, in the right place, etc, just like headers.
broken sigil
Well if rtx 3090 is $1200, here it's gonna be around $2400...
For the rtx 2080 I payed around $1100 where I live, everything is super overpriced here 😐
fluid bloom
header includes in C/C++ aren't done with some sort of smart system
they're literally copy pastes of text
without any thought
the pre processor just searches the include dirs and then plops the content there
no modules or anything, just a copy paste from some file
fathom wadi
and what does it do with a module?
rich quiver
a header is to store commonly use variables
broken sigil
Well only problem with headers is that it has to pretty much copy the code wherever it's included but I find headers very intuitive to work with
fluid bloom
@fathom wadi I don't know exact details
fathom wadi
me neither. Hence why I asked 😄
fluid bloom
but I mean, with modules you can say which bits of code can be exported and which not for example
ancient hornet
headers bleed a little too much implementation details
fluid bloom
import order independency
fathom wadi
you can do that in a header I think. There are macros for stuff to exclude or use a conditional
fathom wadi
honestly I run pretty straight forward C++ for Unreal so I miss a lot of the technical stuff
fluid bloom
what if someone redefines your macro that excludes part of your header file? 😛
rich quiver
so computer know need dx 9 to dx 12 u because fuck it
fluid bloom
oh god, crusader kings 3 released
broken sigil
I'm guessing modules will just be loaded once and when referencing it it's gonna look up the declarations/definitions from the already loaded one instead of copying everything over, might be wrong but that sounds logical to me 🤷
fathom wadi
@fluid bloom what if someone is a Tudor and beheads your header. Then marries a forward declaration in the CPP. Coding in medieval times was tough.
fluid bloom
@broken sigil yea it's like that afaik
bronze axle
The 30 series landing page is up. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/
junior meteor
you think all children would play games 24/7 left with tech, favorite game and no control?
these days? or only us who end up in developing
median wraith
Well I used to be a children and care about things, but yeah don't think the public in this kind of games care
And tbh personally can say the same as are techs I cannot use for my public
carmine frigate
the 3070 is kinda decent
median wraith
8k the web says
Still can't get proper FPS on 4k
And pretty sure the price conversion will be
1500 dollars to 2000€
ancient hornet
there is a more than x2 between the top two cards XD that's insane
carmine frigate
well 3090 doesnt seem like an actual gamin card
ancient hornet
3090 Ti Super
dense atlas
price is in organs
median wraith
On every generation until 790 I listen, hey the 90 serie isn't for gaming @carmine frigate 😁
Then bf6 releases and the 3080 runs it at 29 fps
dense atlas
I'm only interested in the 3090 for game dev, not at the price though
broken sigil
rtx 3080 seems to be priced reasonably at least but I'm keeping my rtx 2080 for at least another year
junior meteor
@median wraith @you think they waste time playing games?
When BF6 RELEASE?
quiet narwhal
3090 drops on my birthday and it's such a sexy design. I cannot wait to render a sphere in glorius 4k with RTX on
ancient hornet
dense atlas
I'll keep working on verical slice without RTX until I could put this stuf fdown as a business expense
ancient hornet
a 2060 is pretty cheap though
junior meteor
when bought 2080 same year, i got a bug, when any game opens, driver fails, got to restart, no chance unless use afterburner to lower auto OC power
dense atlas
I got a 1080
ancient hornet
would feel a little like a downgrade then 😄
dense atlas
yeah , 🤷♂️
junior meteor
1 year>few times a day, few a night, set manually 50 marks on curve to make it spikeless
haha
median wraith
@ancient hornet well here cost more than what I used to pay for series 80 and 70
broken sigil
I'm more looking forward to new ryzen CPUs than any of this
dense atlas
Yeah CPUs are nice, seems like they've dropped the ball on the Big Navi then
expecting things targeting mid range as usual again now
plucky pagoda
Report a bug effecting paper2D, no targeted fix, same bug gets reported as effecting Niagara and a fix is immediately targeted for next release. Paper2D needs love too.
I love the description "Experience The Ultimate Performance For Gamers & Creators With Unrealistic Advanced Features."
plucky pagoda
It's almost like truth in advertising.
plucky pagoda
Could you use NVENC for streaming already?
proud pier
yes
plucky pagoda
Thought so, the link made me wonder.
proud pier
it's either NVENC or x264
dense atlas
Arn't they realising their own water system? So figured it was to compensate
should be dropping 4.26, if I recall
plucky pagoda
It's at least the second system like that that's been free.
dense atlas
either they'll work well together or the new system will make this redundant
quiet narwhal
could be different use cases as well, the fortnite one is a terrain solution
solid aurora
no
it's infinite plane water
or rivers
or lakes
nothing fortnite specific about it
ancient ingot
@median wraith you about ?
fathom wadi
hey how you doing dude?
ancient ingot
pissed off atm, you ?
austere stream
afternoon
fluid bloom
ancient ingot
😮
fathom wadi
https://i.redd.it/z1rz4l96ekk51.png
@fluid bloom If you unfold that, it turns into a stickman with a massive GPU.
thorny dock
remember when hardware companies were trying to appeal to programmers as their primary audience? Pepperidge Farm remembers...
junior meteor
just wait.. till you sleep, your machine knows what to do
fathom wadi
remember when hardware companies were trying to appeal to programmers as their primary audience? Pepperidge Farm remembers...
@thorny dock PowerVR for life ¬_¬
I wonder how the state of things would be now if they took the lead, or some other brand had it Nvidia's way. Might be playing Crysis right now.
proven thorn
@fathom wadi Probably not much difference.
Would AMD be any different to Intel? Probably not in my opinion.
fathom wadi
not in mine either. I think it's all been done just as it should in a capitalist system really. I like to think of what ifs though. Like what if everyone on Earth simultaneously said Muad'dib whilst pointing at the sky, would the universe explode?
wispy geode
bought it at full price 2 months ago 😢
it's an awesome plugin so i'm glad more people get to use it but damn
that stings
fathom wadi
https://keithclark.github.io/ZzFXM/tracker/?demo (press Play Pattern)
light spruce
I just had a terrible dream that I was drinking a Molson beer
thorny dock
if you want terrible dreams try a mickeys or a hurricane
rigid shoal
How big of a deal is the Nvidia 3xxx series? I don't understand this stuff at all.
ancient hornet
seems like a big deal and not that expensive
broken sigil
seems like more performance per $ than even before
fresh heath
The 2xxx series was worse than the 1xxx and now the 3xxx in this regard
thin storm
I bought a 2070 super last year for around 700 bucks. kinda annoying but lets wait for a toms hardware review. in the past, they often sold new named versions of the same chipsets and technology.
ancient hornet
I bought a rather cheap 2060 not super not too long ago as a bridge gap :D
might be time to upgrade the whole PC though
rigid shoal
Oh yeah, the pricing is better.
ancient hornet
ok that IS strange https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-io-gpu-accelerated-storage-technology/
interesting idea though
seems it REALLY is time for a whole PC upgrade rather than a few part changes
tulip orbit
yeah my system is too old to upgrade any more 😦
fresh heath
My Socket AM3+ system is a dead end
thin storm
I have the same issue, I need new cpu+mainboard. lol
slender sentinel
That's the PC response to the PS5's SSD/IO system basically.
light spruce
I don't need help having terrible dreams.
And in this fucked up dream world, the way to drink a Molson was with a slice of a pepper in it.... and that's horrible enough to believe that someone actually does that.
I remember when Ol' Tom Shardware was a reputable source. I miss those days. Hopefully, they don't still have the "Just buy it" guy running that clown college.
fresh heath
Twitter
dense storm
junior meteor
world is getting fucked while we hide
light spruce
conserving ammo
supple crystal
Hi guys, as i promised in the past, here is Gronions second trailer, my first Indie Game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mURluHjBPU
Gronions Deluxe Edition - available now on Steam, please support!
Gronions is already a pc game, but in therms of other platforms, it´s still a work in progress, this is a fast-pased single-player action shooter, about exploration and it has 3 game modes: campaign, Frenzy (endless invasions) and Odyssey (space battles), i´m updating it regularly, right now version 1.2.3, you can play in first person or third person, and it took about 3 years to develope, please enjoy.
Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1353070/Gronions/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPXzFIdrvY9NhEZJx4lnPYQ
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Gronionsgame
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gleaming hill
@wispy geode idk about UIWS but you can make UIPF following YouTube tutorials. I made my own version which is better and way more performant which I wouldn't have been able to do it I had purchased UIPF as I wouldn't have the prerequisite knowledge. It really is a poor plugin that more or less copies from freely available tutorials
Just saying because you paid for UIWS and wouldn't want you to get ripped off buying UIPF
solid aurora
guys
RTS IO
is just driver for DirectStorage
nothing new
microsoft annouced it along with xbox for windows..
nvidia marketing is stronk ;p
light spruce
I hate realtime strategy games... the last thing I want that for is IO. I'd rather not have my APM affect disk performance
foggy path
well you know if you click on folders in windows explorer slowly and your doubleclicks are weak, of course you won't be taking full advantage of your IO economy
light spruce
You wanna kick me in the nuts too? I mean, I've already been personally held responsible for coronavirus WHY NOT MAKE IT THE DAILY DOUBLE
plucky pagoda
light spruce
checks out
zinc matrix
games increase dopamine which then makes it harder to get it normally
foggy path
that makes no sense
if that was true then every activity which gives you dopamine would also be like that so it wouldn't make sense so single out games :P
zinc matrix
umm
nah man
im certain thats hov it is
anyay i didnt eat yesterday evening nov am too hungry to vork before breakfast
zinc matrix
Everything can lead to a sort of chemical burnout in the body, and that is why breaks are required.
Just let your body go back to normal, before indulging in more.
north torrent
I'm going to build a new PC.
zinc matrix
O.o,are ya using rtx 3090?
foggy path
my 1080 Ti still chugging along just fine
probably not gonna bother upgrading until it stops running games well
wet smelt
north torrent
I've been planning lessons for the next semester of school so I can slack off for the next 3 months.
ancient ingot
dam slacker
north torrent
That's the goal.
ancient ingot
😄
north torrent
I put my desk behind a bookshelf so I can sit back there and work on Blueprints during office hours.
ancient ingot
lol crafty !
zinc matrix
My 1050 ti works fine enough, I might build a proper pc in a year or two
ancient ingot
might upgrade my 2070
north torrent
I have an RTX 2070 half length card that I will be keeping in my ITX rig.
It doesn't look like the RTX 3080 or 3090 are going to be very good ITX cards...
ancient ingot
hmm think you may be right there
north torrent
My RTX 2070 is the single fan design.
It also has no fan...
I plan on using this case... which is probably smaller than the RTX 3090...
ancient ingot
oo a tiny pc, that's cute
wet smelt
I plan on using this case... which is probably smaller than the RTX 3090...
@north torrent send us the link to the case
we demand it
north torrent
It is called the Jonsbo T8.
They are really easy to get here in China, not sure about internationally though. I've never seen them in the US.
Every Jonsbo case I have had has been incredibly sturdy. I actually was using one was a step ladder for a while... When I moved my PC out of it of course.
wet smelt
well ye
but h210 looks neat
but just a consideration tho
either that or the h1
now i have more options
north torrent
This is called the C24. It is slightly bigger.
Now this would actually fit an RTX 3090...
solid aurora
probabaly not
you would have hard time actually cooling it
without some custom water cooling which will sit outside of case
north torrent
I honestly think the idea that having a bunch of unused space is better than having direct airflow from a fan sitting next to a heatsink is kind of silly.
Empty space inside a case does not equal good thermals.
broken sigil
it generally does
More space means it takes longer to heat up all the air inside but it also means you need good airflow to be able to push all the hot air out, if you don't you will quickly get the same thermal performance as with a smaller case
north torrent
But a smaller case makes it much easier to move air in and out in exactly the way that is best for your configuration.
More space equals less air pressure from the fans.
broken sigil
but you have a much smaller volume of air available which means it will heat up much much quicker
mossy nexus
if you are expelling the air, the volume of air is not relevant. Well it is as the larger the volume the greater the fan power needed.
broken sigil
yeah if you have enough air pressure to move the air out of the case fast enough you will get much better performance with bigger volume
I moved from a midi case to full tower a few months ago and the overall max temps dropped by around 20 degrees
C
mossy nexus
I'd argue that it's not the volume of air that did that, more the improved air flow.
Better designed cases are great
north torrent
Generally a GPU sitting next to some sort of grill so it can bring in outside air is going to be much better than the GPU just bringing in air from inside the case.
broken sigil
air volume definitely plays a huge role
mossy nexus
only if you have shit fans or poor case design.
north torrent
I don't believe that air volume is even a minor positive in most circumstances.
mossy nexus
^
broken sigil
well that's your opinion not a fact
north torrent
With only owning a few computers and having seen other people on YouTube benchmark stuff, it certainly is not a fact. But it is a hypothesis based on data.
mossy nexus
The greater the volume of air, the more fan power required to move it. Smaller volumes of air are easier to move, which is a fact. Therefore sufficient fan power + smaller volume of air = better. Fact.
broken sigil
not true
it's a pretty simple fact that more air volume means that it will take longer for the air inside to heat up, you will only get the benefit of more air volume if you have sufficient air pressure
If you have components that produce a lot of heat a small volume of air can heat up before the air can even escape the case, having more volume gives you a "reserve" of "fresh" air, simple really
north torrent
Sounds like what people have been assuming for the past decade, yes.
But I don't think it is true.
My hypothesis is that outside air is always better than inside air.
light spruce
It's true, but given the speed at which the temperature change occurs and the small volume of air you're dealing with, it's completely irrelevant.
and the best case is a test bench
north torrent
A perfect air tunnel might be better than a test bench... just theoretically.
light spruce
I don't know what a perfect air tunnel would be
north torrent
Giant fan on one end, giant fan on the other end, air goes in one end, air goes out the other.
light spruce
so a test bench... but in an HVAC duct
north torrent
Yes.
zinc matrix
I use this https://www.silentiumpc.com/en/product/alea-s35w/
Front has 200mm 700RMP, back 120mm 1200RPM.
RTX3090 is to long. Unless they make one that is 300mm max.
light spruce
I'd like to start my own case line called "a box for your fucking computer parts"
zinc matrix
If I'm gonna build a PC that is not in mini case, it will be custom case, wall mounted. With glass in front, and vacuum inside.
light spruce
being in a vacuum is not thermally efficient
broken sigil
Your components wouldn't be too happy with vacuum lol
zinc matrix
but it's dust efficient 😄
broken sigil
yep, sounds like a fair trade to me
north torrent
Do you mean house?
light spruce
No, that's a fictional character
ancient hornet
it works if you don't turn it on ¯_(ツ)_/¯
zinc matrix
i will never fix this mess. it only gets worse as i invest more and more of time in it.
soft night
did you turn it off and on
gilded lichen
How are things going with the law case?
mild root
do you guys ever participate in other chats?
light spruce
only when I'm drunk
can someone explain to me why you'd need an OLED display on your graphics card that displays the temperature?
light spruce
sounds like a day that ends in y
fresh heath
mild root
It seems like Steam is broken today ?
@median wraith I had some problems 12 hours ago - I suspect webfonts access|cdn issues
median wraith
yeah, seems like you're correct
carmine frigate
hmm that free factory enviroment has a forklift, now i can make stapelfahrer claus 😛
tulip orbit
light spruce
Well... looking for a Captain America ass gif didn't go as planned
tulip orbit
🙂
light spruce
I also really should have bought some beard oil
light spruce
well
if anyone was still holding out hope for the existence of god
I think that I should really just shave
zinc matrix
so did epic vvin ??
fathom wadi
Anyone here every managed to get through to a human at Insomniac Games? I've tried all the social medias, the company website, even abused LinkedIn to try talk to someone. Seems like they hide the corporation behind game support.
median wraith
for job or support ?
median wraith
don't they usually post at Twitter ? can't send dms ?
fathom wadi
they do, it goes to support
I've waited over a week and they ain't replied even though it says "reply in 48h"
median wraith
I tried to contact a company the other day and tried it over 5 times and they gave a shit about an Antivirus tradeemark blocking their css/js files world wide
fine then
nobody can see their web
🤡
tulip orbit
screw it, I'm having an energy drink. Havent gotten anything done all day...
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L93WozIQx-M
Wow.... Avengers is so bad, they had to threaten WorthABuy for reviewing it. Took his video down and then when he complained, he took another video down because he's worried they will come after him again.
I hope this game tanks so bad now.
zinc matrix
Those couple parts I watched looked like a mix of TLOU and LIS with Batman on top.
fathom wadi
I thought it looked ok but then I don't go from looks these days. Even I can make a game look good, but it's not the important part.
dusky shuttle
Game based on movie or movie based on game is usually a recipe for disaster
tulip orbit
bout time
median wraith
Albert Einstein cannot explain this
Because isn't as cool as Bob Ross
Well or that says the news here
fathom wadi
Einstein would have a hard time explaining it. He's been dead for years.
median wraith
That's what you think
zinc matrix
yeah, it's relative theory, not absolute 😄
carmine frigate
what happens when a black hole eats another black hole?
zinc matrix
- + - gives?
gilded lichen
+?
tulip orbit
naw, makes it a double negative
zinc matrix
Photoshop will tell you the TRUTH
carmine frigate
-10 + -10 = -20
median wraith
Maybe is a portal for the alien visit set for December of 2020
or maybe is the 5G
🤖
carmine frigate
5g is just to make bats go crazy so they bite pigs so we get corona
now we pay no attention to all the frogs getting aids
median wraith
Frogs are planning something secretly
thorny dock
all these sheep not realizing that 5G is the frequency that lizard people use to shapeshift into political figures, GET WOKE EARTH
zinc matrix
north torrent
Does anyone here know what this is?
tulip orbit
looks like a code plugin.
rich quiver
@north torrent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVvuHcj_YUc here a free template
north torrent
I don't speak code, so I don't understand code plugins.
I do understand videos and pretty pictures.
And songs, especially sea shanties.
fathom wadi
Indeed. Its just business tho right? 😄 Still, at least its an indicator of where to get a good review.
He's been getting less notification success in my youtube too. I've followed him with all notifications on since forever. I think its probably just a business thing and it's a shame. He's just trying to be a gaming fan first, reviewer second. A lot of corporate reviewers are bound by their contractual terms. Mack is bound by respect for gaming and gamers, and some money. Hence his now paranoid stance and takedown of one of his own videos.
plucky pagoda
I haven't seen anyone say anything good about the game. It's a shame would love to see a really good avengers game.
I've never liked rigging and Houdini has changed that. It's so fast and simple.
They did a really in depth series on how to do it in Houdini though and that helped a lot.
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxUx96-6-dw this was the first review I ever saw of his in 2013. I had just been getting more annoyed with IGN and Gamespot reviews being paid adverts, so this was like a breath of fresh air. The funny thing is, I was playing the game at the time and never noticed some of the things he pointed out. When he did, I realised, I was immersed in my own hype to play it.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I'm a big fan of 4x type games. He tends to like the games I end up liking and hating the same ones too.
rigid shoal
I love 4x games. Too bad they're few and far between.
fathom wadi
he used to give gamepad based games a lot of crap that I thought was OTT but he's since chilled on that. But you can't agree with everyone all the time.
fresh heath
bronze parcel
I think i've seen @hollow zephyr more than my family in the last few days. Yep, watched too many UE4 stream replays..
fallow finch
And can i release a game on Steam and Epic Store at the same time ?? If not why ??
stiff crystal
You assume now that you can release on EGS
it is not open platform to sell on like steam, only limited amount of games get through
light spruce
And what game was it where they got offered an exclusive, declined, and then Epic said, "Well, we really don't want it on the store at all then"?
stiff crystal
Also, apparently Epic doesnt want indies selling on EGS to be on Steam
It is not just one game, there has been bunch
light spruce
I can't keep track of all that shit. I just remember that there was one where it became a big thing
stiff crystal
But getting game on EGS itself is the bigger challenge
light spruce
But I can't remember what it was, probably because it wasn't something that I would ever play.
stiff crystal
You probably cant find a single new indie game on egs that would have had day one release on steam too
They only seem to make exceptions for some bigger publishers and games
So even if they dont publicly admit they have this limitation, it obviously is there
light spruce
I find it kind of interesting that your options would wind up being "If you release it on EGS, you'll have a bunch of people who won't buy it (and probably wouldn't have) because it's not on Steam. Or, you release it on Steam and it's immediately buried under a pile of rotting food and diapers and all those people who will only buy stuff on Steam never see it."
stiff crystal
Yeah it sucks :/
But egs exclusivity is apparently always timed, so ypu could still release on steam year later etc
For some games, year is too long
light spruce
That's the great benefit of Steam being like, "Yeah, sure, we'll sell anything and no one will find any of it because you're just sorting through a sea of trash"
stiff crystal
Well kinda. But if you have a niche genre there really isnt all that much other offerings to hide your game
If it's yet another shooter... Well game over
foggy path
a better question imo is how many games purchases are even done from just browsing randomly like this
stiff crystal
I like steams recommendations, it is a clever system
light spruce
Well someone somewhere needs to see it
stiff crystal
Like it tells what my friends have been playing, what they've wishlisted etc
foggy path
yeah that's a good system but it doesn't really build on the store browsing imo
light spruce
I'm not a good judge here though because I don't work like other people do. And also my tastes for things are so wide that any kind of recommendation system fails catastrophically.
foggy path
how many games etc. have you wishlisted and played based on just browsing steam randomly
for me it's pretty close to 0 :P
stiff crystal
When my steam friends play same genre games mostly, those give me quite relevant discovery
I've discovered bunch myself
light spruce
Easy example is that my autogenerated YouTube music playlist will have eight songs in a row from widely different genres. It's some schizophrenic shit
stiff crystal
Also even if I already knew about the game, having it pop up on these will make me wishlist it asap I see it on the recommendations etc
Without that I might totally miss it
This is something I feel other stores miss the most when comparing to steam
light spruce
I've had a few things that have come up randomly that I've picked up. Fuck knows if I could tell you what games those were.
stiff crystal
That + game specific forums
light spruce
And I don't have friends anymore for recommendations.
foggy path
what the fuck
this has to be a joke lol
stream Chrome from a server to make it faster? seriously...
wheat narwhal
To be fair. Over 85% of the stuff I've seen on Steam feel more like someone's pet project that they thought was fantastic and decided to try and publish as a game. Usually bad UI, unintuitive controls, three different art directions, etc and topped off with a bad PR manager that gives you the impression that it's never going to get better. That stuff that gets hidden is usually buried for a reason.
fluid bloom
someone should make a remake of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCnUH5gqBb8
the game, not the theme that is
wet smelt
stream Chrome from a server to make it faster? seriously...
@foggy path wha
what
thats
wack
light spruce
Makes perfect sense to me. I mean, how else would you make it faster?
foggy path
@fluid bloom of Minebombers? There is one on Steam
foggy path
it's called Gun Bombers
fluid bloom
cool 😄
ancient hornet
the game, not the theme that is
I used to play that in local with my brother 😄 it was pretty neat indeed
light spruce
counter proposal: listening to the Fallout 4 theme for four hours
thorny dock
i'd personally rather listen to you stadium sell me beer and booster card packs for four hours
light spruce
The Fallout 4 theme is excellent
wind oyster
It's the best part of the game
light spruce
Pretty definitely. As a second best though, I really did like the laser musket. Not so much the having to hit reload six times to fully crank it for one shot, but it sounded awesome. And with the slow time while aiming legendary, it was pretty great blowing people's heads off with it.
carmine frigate
epic should also allow exclusives to sell on itch, no1 buys there anyways, its under 30% and now no1 can say its exclusive 😛
ancient hornet
a lot of the exclusives were available on the xbox subscription thing no?
carmine frigate
i have no idea i dont play a lot of games 😛
light spruce
I don't know; I don't follow soccer
ancient hornet
I don't know, Epic has good lawyers experienced in that kind of cases, they probably saw a lot coming
what did you even read anyway?
north torrent
If the new iPad doesn't have an RTX 3090, does it even matter what Apple does?
wet smelt
here's an excerpt:
"If iOS mobile devices constitute the market, Epic will have a much easier time establishing that Apple engages in "anticompetitive conduct" and "monopolizes" the market for three reasons: (1) Apple prevents other companies from setting up their own app stores; (2) Apple prevents other companies from providing their own "payment processing" services in the market; and, of course, (3) Apple imposes an arguably unreasonably high fee upon sales in the market (30%), to the detriment of consumers."
and another one:
"However, if the market consists of all mobile devices, Epic may not be able to prove that Apple has a monopoly. The FTC states that, in antitrust cases, "Courts look at the firm's market share, but typically do not find monopoly power if the firm (or a group of firms acting in concert) has less than 50 percent of the sales of a particular product or service within a certain geographic area. Some courts have required much higher percentages.""
it looks at phones as a whole
not phones from apple or android
so they can't argue apple breaches antitrust in the smartphone market as a whole when there are other markets; amazon's and play store
they could argue it, vs apple if the market is only focused on iOS
light spruce
I'm looking forward to continually hearing about it for the next several years.
wet smelt
yh
ancient hornet
Apple does have more than 50% marketshare in the US though
wet smelt
globally no
ancient hornet
isn't the US what matters mostly for a US court?
Apple has more than 50% of the App Store marketshare in spending too
wet smelt
not really because not all non-americans don't buy in app purchases
While Apple's US market share is around 50%, its global market share is only around 35%.
ancient hornet
I'm sure Epic knows about those details already anyway, it's pretty "basic"
wet smelt
stolen from an article:
"An interesting parallel can be made to the Department of Justice's antitrust suit against Microsoft for its anti-competitive practices. The court defined the market as "operating systems software for IBM-compatible personal computers." Based on that definition, Microsoft's market share was above 90% and, at times, even higher than 95%. The court therefore determined that Microsoft held a monopoly position."
ancient hornet
the spending marketshare is a lot more important and meaningful than the install base spending
heck, the world is full of super low spec androids in poor countries, androids that could never play Fortnite anyway
wet smelt
and then there's china
assume 500 million people have speedy androids that could run fortnite
i'd put it around 200-300
but 500 for the sake of argument
ancient hornet
Fortnite doesn't release in China so not sure it matters
wet smelt
ah
ancient hornet
Fortnite is 2019’s top-grossing game despite making no money in China
Tencent is still waiting for the Chinese government’s permission to monetize the two-year-old battle royale shooter
such ties to CCP Epic has 😄
wet smelt
ccp is some party
"best party"
vs non-existent parties
but then there's the esports nations; japan, south korea, russia, half of europe, parts of SEA
ancient hornet
anyway, Apple has more than 50% of the App Store marketshare in spendings 😛
globally
ancient hornet
in the judge Zoom conf for the restraining order
it was mentioned how the Apple lawyers did as much as they could to completely avoid the monopoly topic/idea
they are scared of that notion no doubt
wet smelt
we could only hope that they're targeting apple for antitrust in the iOS market, which is totally not owned by apple
not the smartphone market as a whole
it was mentioned how the Apple lawyers did as much as they could to completely avoid the monopoly topic/idea
oh wut? dang nice one
well tbf, "50% of the app store"
ancient hornet
the judge said that:
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/1298034978907774976
Twitter
and that one seems to be something Apple will focus on?
Twitter
showing that "people switch all the time"
wet smelt
well tbf, they own like the entire platform; although i agree they could add in other stores
judge got a point doe
but what does judge mean by:
How is the consumer benefiting at all?
light spruce
really wish there was a totally separate channel for "pointless legal discussions"
light spruce
That doesn't change my opinion.
wet smelt
well, i was warned of opinions in the lounge description lmfao
ancient hornet
really wish there was a totally separate channel for "pointless legal discussions"
look at it as an opportunity to get work done instead of procastinating in #lounge like us 😛
lucid walrus
I've seen the idea that Apple has a monopoly on revenue being floated... which is interesting
wet smelt
look at it as an opportunity to get work done instead of procastinating in #lounge like us 😛
@ancient hornet nice one sir
i have taken a hiatus from game dev as of now; homeschooling, although faster, is more intensive
north torrent
RTX 3090 > Apple
ancient ingot
Māo i need you
median wraith
I knew it, you're with Mão now
ancient ingot
he promised me RTX 3090 .........
median wraith
😭
ancient ingot
I'm sorry he's just better than you
north torrent
I promised you it would be released before October, and it will.
median wraith
x2 😭
ancient ingot
omg you promised to buy me one !
light spruce
let's pretend these are totally 2-slot cards
north torrent
It will be out of stock though.
ancient ingot
good point actually lol
median wraith
took almost 30 years to them
to discover you can pull the air out of the computer box in the PCI slot
because there is a hole
Now there is a problem
there are no connectors for the GPU
fluid bloom
ancient ingot
ill stick with my 2070 for a while
fluid bloom
it looks like a 3080 will be something like a 3x-4x jump from my gtx 970
north torrent
That is an RTX 2070 itx length.
fluid bloom
I find that hard to believe
median wraith
well
a 970 vs 2070
isn't even a x2
at all
so maybe the 970 to 3080 is a x3
north torrent
Who gets a 3080 though? Go big or go home.
median wraith
it just cost x3 times more than what I paid
north torrent
RTX 3090 life.
north torrent
But you only have to buy a gpu once.
fluid bloom
😄
median wraith
fun fact
north torrent
A gpu is a business expense for me.
light spruce
I'm staying on my 1060 until I die
median wraith
many markets are collapsed and you cannot buy products since months ago
like the bikes market
due the Asia makers
as make the main frames
the whole europe etc is collapsed due that
north torrent
I wonder how long it will take to get the RTX 3090 in China.
median wraith
but they will release GPUs by next month
and tbh
All modern games don't like the 970GTX on 1440p
surprised me how well F1 works
ancient ingot
@median wraith 22.5x22.5km in how many tiles for UE ? 2048 or 4096 ?
north torrent
I wonder how long it will end up being before Nvidia releases a 3090ti or 3090 Super...
median wraith
@ancient ingot I were using custom solutions so errr no clue tbh
wet smelt
RTX 3090 > Apple
@north torrent wh