it's really not that complicated to do
#lounge
mossy nexus
The other woman would be come your "step parent" ๐
wet smelt
@fluid bloom yeah I just mean, if is your actual mother then don't say in law, and just use it on the case they split and for example your real father is with other woman that woman is your mother in law, I think spanish describes it better
@median wraith my confusion went from 0 to 100
you can for example get payment processing from Stripe pretty easily
@foggy path "from scratch"
median wraith
@mossy nexus the animal documentals animalhub makes sense now
fluid bloom
in finnish I'd just say appi(ukko) or anoppi
wet smelt
Thatd a preexisting pipeline
fluid bloom
๐
foggy path
@wet smelt ah okay, well if you want to build your very own credit card system with your very own credit cards that you issue, be my guest :p
ancient hornet
Humble Bundle does payment processing for you for very very generous fees too if you want
wet smelt
@wet smelt ah okay, well if you want to build your very own credit card system with your very own credit cards that you issue, be my guest :p
@foggy path payment pipeline u fuckwit not a payment system
Pipeline as in
wet smelt
"I take ur cash, then i send u product withing microseconds"
mossy nexus
Yarp, the levels of sarcasm and pedanticness in this channel are high ๐
wet smelt
Idk wut to expect from lounge tbh
foggy path
I'd be happy to explain the intricacies of credit card processing because I've actually build systems that deal with this
But frankly I don't think you want to really hear about it
:P
foggy path
maybe don't be such a difficult person to have a conversation with then eh
wet smelt
Obviously one wouldnt make the next goldman and ballsachs or MasterCunt just to let people buy games from u
maybe don't be such a difficult person to have a conversation with then eh
@foggy path idk i dont take kindness to sharp sarcasm
But
foggy path
considering you're constantly deflecting and misdirecting conversation when it doesn't fit your specific narrative I wouldn't talk about that
wet smelt
Ill take a breather; and well talk
median wraith
@wet smelt okay nevermind what I named is stepmother or whatever
wet smelt
considering you're constantly deflecting and misdirecting conversation when it doesn't fit your specific narrative I wouldn't talk about that
@foggy path that was some time ago; i wouldnt wanna revisit it
agile egret
I don't like where this is going, you guys need to talk about apple and steam taking 30% of our profits.
foggy path
yeah it was literally minutes ago lol
ancient hornet
I don't like where this is going, you guys need to talk about apple and steam taking 30% of our profits.
you can switch it around and talk how they increase games/apps prices by 40%!
wet smelt
@wet smelt Oh, im sorry bud. I meant weapons, not that. You'll be fine. ๐
@zinc matrix :((
I don't like where this is going, you guys need to talk about apple and steam taking 30% of our profits.
@agile egret idk just sell in itch io or sumn
agile egret
lol
The thing is, if they acted like any other "real" store, you buy the product from the devs, and then mark it up. I want to see them try to mark up the prices 30%. Watch their customers revolt
ancient hornet
they mark up the prices by 40% ๐ not 30%
anyway, that App Store business only really works because Apple makes plenty of restrictions to keep their customers ignorant
foggy path
You mean stops them from sideloading anything onto their devices :P
ancient hornet
there's plenty of "ignorance" restrictions
without that, app makers could just say "fuck it, they won't buy from the store at all", or they could expose how much Apple takes
zinc matrix
sword i made for lvl 1 https://i.imgur.com/VoIsB8j.png
which means tier 20 sword will have to look 20 times better ๐ RIP me
agile egret
Steam is next
foggy path
if you think that some rando iPhone user gives two fucks about that...
:D
iirc I heard that on MacOS a large part of app sales actually just come from the developer's own sites since on MacOS there's no restriction to the Mac Store thing
ancient hornet
the Mac Store is described as an empty wasteland or so ๐
if you expose the "real" price
then it becomes easier to jack up the prices by 40% on the in app version
and have your users understand and look for the web version to buy VBucks
if you don't, users will see your IAP as super expensive and it'll discourage the from buying them
this is why it's pernicious and why many devs just "take the hit"
if they raise correctly the Apple prices, users will stop buying their IAP altogether because they are too expensive
because users cannot be informed how it's Apple's fault and how they could sidestep that
foggy path
The problem still is that users just don't give a shit
You'd literally have to scream it at them at every opportunity
And even then a lot of them would just ignore you and moan about it being more expensive
because that's just how the average user is when they've been educated to expect apps to cost 0.99 dollars
ancient hornet
if users don't give a shit, but you sell the stuff clearly with the Apple tax added
then whatever I guess ๐
hmm, well they still probably would tend to buy less I suppose
foggy path
they just don't read is the problem
like, you can put a big big disclaimer there saying this is why it's more expensive
but they'll just ignore it
finnish.swf
tulip orbit
a little bird flew into my window with a loud bonk, been a half hour, its still really zoned out ๐ฆ
ancient hornet
are you like, trying to nurse it back in shape or something?
tulip orbit
well, i checked on it a bit, not gonna bring it inside or anything
only thing I could actually do is put him on a soft blanket or something, but pff
zinc matrix
hello
fathom wadi
Looks like I got banned from the UE4 dev community because someone said COVID was fake so I told them to fuck off. That's rather disappointing because I will always tell people who say it's fake to fuck off. Whoever banned me for that can fuck off too.
median wraith
oh look the news from COVID
Well that's bad and absurd @fathom wadi
hahahaa
And fak the whole of them
Who is the mod there =?
fathom wadi
yeah whats next? I get shot for telling a holocaust denier to foff?
fathom wadi
removing it is fine. Banning me for it. Thats just trying to be a cockend
median wraith
I mean, if you remove faults and errors and all
we will live in a flower power world with animals singing and everybody dancing
or don't work like that ?
fathom wadi
when the world is an ideal place, my job here will be done. Until then, I tell covid deniers to fuck off.
its called catharsis
median wraith
turns out the COVID vaccine will do nothing as they just proof in Asia
Like people getting re infected
But don't tell the people that get each year a cold
We are evaded from the world and we need to keep as is in our dream
ancient hornet
turns out the COVID vaccine will do nothing as they just proof in Asia
the vaccines we don't have that were tried in Asia didn't work?
shocking
ancient hornet
there isn't really proof of that
it could just be they stopped getting detected in the tests
median wraith
Well there is a proof from what they said today
ancient hornet
the tests could be wrong too
fathom wadi
don't forget. You can't make a vaccine for a "fake pandemic where 100's of thousands of people have died". According to some plebs.
median wraith
median wraith
re infections
zinc matrix
do you know if there is a bot in discord that bans anyone that joins? or maybe anyone that matches a certain nick or something similar?
median wraith
I mean the virus can mutate all the time, free loot boxes for everybody
@zinc matrix you got bots made from users you can use on your own servers bet there are ones with locked or banned words
fathom wadi
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/heroin-prescription-treatment-middlesbrough-hat-results-crime-homelessness-drugs-a9680551.html Hey look. It turns out prescribing heroin does actually reduce crime. Been saying that for 20+ years. I hope the government/councils dont go back on this one. It's the right thing to do for some.
median wraith
Actually a guy from Asia
came to Spain
and were infected in spain another time
by the branch in spain of the virus
ancient hornet
doesn't mean that much yet either
antibodies aren't 100% foolproof anyway, reinfections exist for many other viruses
having found one reinfection doesn't mean either that they are useless
median wraith
here the people working on hospitals are getting infected
ancient hornet
also in his second infection he's counted as asymptomatic so he got a much milder case
median wraith
but aren't getting infected because the new hospital cases
are getting infected by the weekends hard parties
hospitals workers people here is will know for be like the 50% of Tinder apps population etc (big brain)
foggy path
@fathom wadi afaik Portugal's been seeing very positive results with their drug related legislation which basically decriminalizes it
fathom wadi
yeah I saw a documentary on that a few years ago. It was really inspiring which is why I think the UK government tested this eventually.
rigid shoal
I understand why people say it's fake. People in America seem to not care about the virus.
Not sure how it is else where. But, if you look at traffic on the road, my area never really changed.
median wraith
If we need all the illegal things to turn legal by law and the people can't control themselves, something wrong is going on
fathom wadi
@rigid shoal I can see how people think it's fake. They are retarded humans. There is no proof it's fake at all, yet all the proof it's real. These people are trolls and deserve what they get.
โTrue peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.โ ~MLK
thats my little bit of justice...
foggy path
yeah they deserve what they get but sadly in this case when they get what they deserve, they often cause problems for other people as a result
fathom wadi
Think what it's like for someone who knows a person who died from it to see someone spouting shit like that
median wraith
@fathom wadi as someone said back in the days, stupids don't have natural predator, that's why each day opinions are more open and absurd and accepted without even think about what they claim
agile egret
I got it, it has it effects. But overall as long as you are healthy to begin with you should be mostly alright. (So far my long term >2 months issues are: Some lost of taste and smell, generally tired, headaches)
fathom wadi
I don't mind stupid people, I do mind people who are stupid on purpose. like those who deny a blatent pandemic. Or those who refuse to look at evidence then tell you that you are wrong. They are not worth 1% of my patience.
In other news. People I have all the time in the world for. The Nooner. https://twitter.com/AlanNoon/status/1297774377547845632?s=20
median wraith
I don't even know what to expect this days
rigid shoal
Has anyone noticed there have been more impressive gamedev related stuff recently?
fathom wadi
yeah
rigid shoal
Makes me feel smol. ๐ฆ
median wraith
USA accepted as valid something created in forums 3 years ago from the ground without any logical base and now semi forces to be removed in every game @fathom wadi not sure if you know what I mean but
fathom wadi
I have seen a lot of really cool Blender stuff too recently. The money flows and the creativity shows.
@median wraith nope not sure what you mean
median wraith
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-removes-ok-gesture-over-concerns-of-it-being-used-as-hate-symbol-8577111.html#:~:text=The 'OK' gesture was popular,'&text=Developers%20of%20Call%20of%20Duty,it%20as%20a%20hate%20symbol.
fathom wadi
ahh right
alpine fern
ok gesture?
median wraith
That came from four chan from the nowhere
they trolled all social media
as result now public authorities collect is as valid
and the population don't even ask
ancient hornet
๐
fathom wadi
I can live with them removing the gesture. I don't use it anyway and if you use it at me, you better be from another culture where they use it regular, because you will look silly to me otherwise. I mean, who makes an OK sign these days unless they are trolling with the white power usage?
fringe sundial
@fathom wadi very common bruh
rich quiver
@median wraith same thing they did with the Qanon thing
fringe sundial
the thing is that its not really white power to begin with
this is just dumb 4chan stuff
like the clowns too
the trick is to just ignore it
and the symbol will be ignored once 4chan stops their idea
fathom wadi
yeah I know. The swastika wasn't a nazi symbol until they took it
rich quiver
4chan like to make dumb thing racist
fringe sundial
some randoms pushing it and media gettting tricked != official government symbols
median wraith
@fathom wadi well exactly, you basically give a shit, as every body gives a shit of others at the end then the problem is from the president rather than us, isn't it
fringe sundial
the thing is that 4chan can convert anything into a "hate symbol"
literally anything
fathom wadi
yeah. Except Betty White
fringe sundial
quite a few times they have succeeded on completely random stuff
because media picks it, they start asking for bans, and then it "becomes" a hate symbol with no one using it to begin with
rigid shoal
It's the media's fault.
fathom wadi
The nazis converted a lot of stuff along the way. Threw banners up like they were handing out party hats and such. But it don't mean we have to sit back and wait until it gets out of hand.
fringe sundial
we are talking about a symbol where 99.99% of the uses is good stuff
only some basement dwelers decide to "call" it a hate symbol
fathom wadi
I use it to mean "large arsehole" ;p
ancient hornet
right now 4chan is trying to manipulate us all into boycotting that new Netflix movie ๐
fringe sundial
it means nothing bruh. THats the whole thing
fathom wadi
I do make it wink and say "50p/20p/50p/20p"
fringe sundial
no one uses it, its just media getting manipulated like idiots
median wraith
But let's be honest Germany did it first, if some bad person in the history used a symbol then that symbol cannot be used anymore cause represents he/she/they/them
And return to the first point, we live in a perfect world there is no hole for that
fringe sundial
like the time they converted clown emoji into a hate symbol
rich quiver
media gettting tricked by 4chan
fringe sundial
which is exactly as stupid as it sounds
fathom wadi
@median wraith Its been a while since I met someone called Adolph. Kinda killed that name ๐
fringe sundial
the thing is that nazis used the symbols
the svastica is a hate symbol because the nazis put it everywhere
rigid shoal
Pepefrog is a hate symbol now too.
fringe sundial
it superseeded the original symbol
lets say original symbol. Sun symbol, was used X times
and known by people X times
svasticas then were used 10x more
minimum
rich quiver
pepefrog artist sue 4chan for it @rigid shoal
fathom wadi
thats all im saying vblanco. It can superseed the original meaning. But really... its not a symbol I cared for anyway
fringe sundial
and became known by everyone as a nazi symbol
@fathom wadi the thing is that by banning it, they just fell into the trolling part
and they help into making it become a hate symbol
if it just gets ignored, it never becomes a hate symbol
which is much more effective than "birthing" a new hate symbol
fathom wadi
Well the media over-reacts to most things and under-reacts to the important stuff. So I don't go by what they say :p
fringe sundial
symbols have the power that people believe they have
comparing with svasticas, a svastica, by basically anyone in the west, means nazis
maybe for some buddists in tibet it doesnt mean nazis
but for euros it absolutely does
fathom wadi
I could turn the Unity symbol into a hate figure by waiting a month until everyone is used to the dark theme, then removing it again due to "license issues" :p
fringe sundial
the media creating a hate symbol out of nowhere is what spreads it
the real way to fight all of these hate symbols is to make them not have hate-symbol meaning
then the symbol stops being a hate symbol
lets say that a ONG, who helps people in need, uses a svastica as part of their logo (and didnt remove it)
fathom wadi
A picture of Donald Trump can never stop being a hate symbol :p
fringe sundial
and their deeds are known as a symbol of peace
then the svastica might go back to be a symbol of peace, not a symbol of war
and then nazi symbol stops existing
fathom wadi
I see two swastikas myself. The fascist one and the Indian one. The variance is important there.
rich quiver
hindu
fringe sundial
thats the thing. But the nazi one became the dominant symbol
fathom wadi
Sometimes I look at the U.N logo and think "move this line here and this one here and you have a swastika"
fringe sundial
as i was saying, if there was an india/tibet peace ONG, or peace movement
and they were super popular
even with the svastica symbol
they might remove the power the svastica symbol has for nazis
fathom wadi
#FreeFortnite #TibetCanWait
rigid shoal
It's Hong Kong now.
fathom wadi
hmm I would be interesting in reading a book on that theory vblanco. Cases in history that offensive symbols have been "socially repaired"
rigid shoal
Japanese use the swastika a lot. Their "manji". Most Japanese don't even know about the Nazi swastika.
fathom wadi
looks familiar
cerulean nimbus
I thought it was like the Hinduism swatikas
fringe sundial
its still svastica-ish
fathom wadi
seems odd to change it really. I mean, its not in context of nazis, and was in what.. Edo period? Seems like they could get away with it
rich quiver
japan have in isolation for years that why @rigid shoal
fringe sundial
but not as clear
@fathom wadi the symbol thing is also an idea of "ideas" and concepts
ideas and concepts change meaning through history constantly
median wraith
Now lets back to the real topic:
Spain: The police comes again you because you don't wear the mask and is a must.
So you drop yourself to the floor start walking and acting as a dog and your friend claim you're a dog that don't need mask @fathom wadi
https://www.elcomercio.es/asturias/oriente/video-hombres-cangas-onis-fingen-ser-perros-mascarilla-no-usar-asturias-20200823133732-nt.html
fringe sundial
@fathom wadi as an example, you can see stuff like the latin language
on the roman empire, it was the empire language
after it, no one cared much, but it was still a sort of lingua franca
later, becuase most religious texts (bibles) were in latin, latin became "holy" of sort
now, no one gives even the slightest fuck about it
but the "holy" meaning still remains somewhere. How many magic spells or exorcisms do you see around that are changed in fake-latin?
fathom wadi
@median wraith I just give people a dirty look from behind my mask and mumble "stupid stupid spreaders". If the police tried to make me do that, I'd be suing them.
fringe sundial
another great example is the N word and its versions. "Negro" literally means black in spanish
its not even slightly despective as a word
but it was used in a despective way
median wraith
By law you must use the mask here
fringe sundial
and became a shit word
hilariously enough, we call black people "colored" in spain
median wraith
they don't even allow you smoke in public by law at some points
fringe sundial
so in spain, we have "white people" and "colored people", which is even more stupid than just doing white vs black
but it comes on a way because calling black people "negro", even if in spain that word is fine, can be iffy, due to the international context the americans gave it
fathom wadi
@median wraith by law we must in shops here, but we don't make people walk on all fours like animals. That is anti-human and akin to a Paolo Passolini movie scene.
rich quiver
most spanish countries sign by law to wear a mask or get find or 6 months of jail
median wraith
@fathom wadi you got me wrong, the guy drop himself to claim is a dog that way the police can't tell he to wear the mask
fathom wadi
I can't saw I use the word negro ever. I mean, it has the extreme connotation of segregation to me. It has no context in my life to make it a usable word.
*say
oh except for that usage. Thats the only one :p
fringe sundial
thats exactly the thing lol. I literally have paints that just put "negro" on them
because its means black in spanish
but in spain we still dont use negro for race, as its kinda despective-ish. about mid level. Rude, but not very bad
fathom wadi
@median wraith sorry it was in Spanish so I didn't read it properly. Mi Espanol es poo poo
median wraith
actually seems like we will need to change a lot of things because, in spanish you can name you have a negro to write your book
rich quiver
amarillo also became racist against asians
median wraith
negro can be the guy that wrote a book for you too
fathom wadi
like a ghost writer?
median wraith
yeah is amarillo what you mean
fringe sundial
but literally never heard orange in a race conjtext other than for trump
rigid shoal
The term "oriental" is thought to be a slur, but it never was a slur and is a more descriptive term than "asian".
fathom wadi
we used Tango as an insult to the bleach blonde girls who got a tan back in the 1990's.
fathom wadi
It started with this advert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV8zGNe7Ebg
median wraith
wtf
median wraith
lol
fathom wadi
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1297643152615014400?s=20 heheh he played in the tourney. Good man.
fathom wadi
it's kinda tough for me to see Fortnite stuff becaause it used to be the game I played with my son when I had him over for visits. Haven't played it since he last left.
foggy path
the animation tools in UE are really lacking if you're not using skeletons :\
wanted to animate something my first person char is holding but the only option that doesn't involved just inputting raw vectors into interp nodes seems to be the actor sequence component which seems buggy as hell..
median wraith
yeah that's a reminder there Marc
rich quiver
Twitter
fathom wadi
@foggy path that is animating tho
foggy path
...huh?
rich quiver
fathom wadi
@foggy path moving vectors. Even a bone/skeleton is just a vector in space. Sequencer ain't bad for animating but if you want complete control, the old methods are the best. That being said, what is the specific issue? Just lack of tools to automate tweening?
foggy path
lack of visual tools to make it not a massive pain in the ass to animate something so it looks nice yes :D
rigid shoal
Anyone going to invest in Unity?
foggy path
I can certainly just keep feeding it vectors into interp nodes but that's just gonna take ages to tweak it to look like anything useful
rich quiver
@rigid shoal gambling companies
fathom wadi
@foggy path control rig then. Simply apply a rig in engine.
rich quiver
there number one userbase @rigid shoal
foggy path
How do I control rig something that isn't a skeleton?
fathom wadi
I made a slot machine. I keep meaning to release it for sale.
@foggy path dummy bones
I guess it would be a bit crap but it would work for static stuff.
foggy path
yeah I guess it's worth a try if I can't get the actor sequence thinger working :D
fathom wadi
its the weighting that would be the issue with that tho. So like I say, just static things.
rigid shoal
Those gambling companies make an ass load of money.
fathom wadi
You wouldn't believe how much a good slot machine algorithm will make you. Im taking hundreds of millions.
Big Time Gaming went from a bunch of game developers to making one of the biggest slot companies in the world in under 5 years, even beating NetEnt and PlayNGo.
Just with one algorithm. The Megaways system.
rigid shoal
Is the algorithm really that important for slot machines? Or complex?
Just seems like it's ... win slightly more than half the time.
fathom wadi
absolutely. It had to work in a way that pays an exact percentage over time.
and be fun
rigid shoal
Anyway, I think I'll throw some money into Unity. The money from mobile P2W gambling games is well known to be astronomically ridiculous.
fathom wadi
Something Megaways did that was rare. They offered 10,000x + wins. Most slots tends to float their volatility around 1000x wins. But BTG went the extra mile. So NetEnt countered with Dead or Alive 2, which can pay (and has) 111,111x your stake.
btw. I am a slot addict. Just putting that out there in case you wondered how I get this info :p
foggy path
I guess the complexity in that algorithm is that there are different amounts of money it could pay out
it would be pretty trivial if it was just a plain you win or you don't win thing
fathom wadi
different money, how often they pay, total amount of spins to meet requirements etc.
fringe sundial
the thing is that it isnt random
fathom wadi
some games deadspin for 20 or 30 spins before paying 0.5x your stake, then will suddenly pay 5000x out of nowhere. But some will pay 0.5x your stake every 2 or 3 spins and pay 1000x after 250,000 spins. Its all variable.
fathom wadi
random enough is the way we say it
fringe sundial
what you want for a slot machine is not to be random
is to trick the guy into paying more
if you for example make him win 2x stake every 5 times
fathom wadi
no we tried that in the UK with AwP slots. They are criminal if you ask me
fringe sundial
you still get great profit
fathom wadi
random enough is the better options because you can quit. A predictable slot can be made to tease and abuse the gambler into staying because "it will pay soon". You don't find that with "random enoughs". People just accept it's a punt.
Fixed Odds Betting Terminals (FOBT) in the UK are under extreme scrutinization for this because they caused more problems than casino gamblers, who were looked after by the casino usually. The betting shops literally scammed people out of thousands. ยฃ2 bet for a max ยฃ500 jackpot. It disgusts me. I have won more than ยฃ500 on the original Dead or Alive slot from a 0.18p bet.
this was an earlier win, but still. over 4000x win.
foggy path
well the actor sequence kinda works and it looks nice but it has one major flaw
whenever the sequence resets, the component's position gets moved to some completely random location
outside the entire level area lol
plucky pagoda
I think Unity going public is a stupid move. I can't see how it will in any way benefit developers using it. More likely, if its valuation ends up being what's predicted, they get consumed by bigger fish.
fathom wadi
if it's a stupid move, they can always just revert. Thanks Source Control !
rigid shoal
It's probably going to be shit for Unity devs.
I.e. I'm glad Unreal is private.
foggy path
Oh boy the bugs that I'm seeing in the actor sequence have been around at least since 2017... I guess this component is abandoned :P
fathom wadi
I wouldn't have thought so. But perhaps its got a jira floating around to check
I always see sequencer updates in the patch notes tho, so I never felt it was left alone in any way
fluid bloom
Epic is recruiting quite a bit in Helsinki ๐ค
foggy path
It's possible these issues only affect the actor sequence component itself
because some of these things are pretty bad if it was in the main sequencer tooling
fluid bloom
Senior UX designer, full stack web engineer, technical account manager (janitor?), devops engineer
fathom wadi
I'd move to Helsinki in a heartbeat
rigid shoal
What is a technical account manager?
fathom wadi
they manage the technical accounts :p
fluid bloom
too bad their web dev stack is nodejs
foggy path
they should be recruiting engineers to fix EGS lol
fathom wadi
whats wrong with it?
foggy path
that it's laggier than uplay mainly I guess
oh and it's still maxing out one of my cores unless I specifically press the minimize button to minimize it every time I tab into it..
fathom wadi
my launcher is uber laggy yeah, but its not the EGS. Its the launcher
foggy path
yeah I'm talking about the launcher
fathom wadi
yeah you said EGS and I split them into store and launcher so I got confused ๐
rich quiver
Unreal part is slate
fathom wadi
the launcher was laggybefore EGS appeared too
rich quiver
the EGS part is HTML
gilded lichen
What does IPO mean?
fluid bloom
initial public offer(ing?)
fathom wadi
Inverted Penis Orifice
fluid bloom
basically some accounting firm combs over a company and values it and then shares are released at the valued price
or so
fathom wadi
I had some accountants do that for my firm. They said "this company is worth a used comb"
fluid bloom
the one IPO I've been part of had a scheme where all employees had the chance to buy a portion of the shares at a discount price
fathom wadi
https://twitter.com/Stu_FX/status/1297830179289608192?s=20 heheh called it.
Twitter
gilded lichen
I am not an animator, and I heard that Maya is the gold standard for animating. But when I ask why - there are no clear answers.
Freaking amateurs
plucky pagoda
Who wants to bet that within a year of its IPO Unity moves to a royalty system?
rigid shoal
I... actually thought it was royalty already. Oops.
But yeah, I would bet that. Surprised it isn't already.
fathom wadi
@gilded lichen Animation is the same across the board. As long as you have a fully featured Dope Sheet and use the standards, then if you know one app, you know most of them. Blender is amazing for animation. The dope sheet is so dope, I rolled up my copy of Blender and smoke that shit to the sounds of Cypress Hill.
plucky pagoda
I didn't realize that capital investment firms had such a high stake in Unity already.
fathom wadi
with what 30% of the games market at stake, you would presume more would.
fluid bloom
when are they going public? ๐ค
plucky pagoda
I don't see the numbers in that file linked from the sec as all that attractive.
fluid bloom
or is it still just a rumour?
plucky pagoda
Not a rumor.
foggy path
Conan is best because it has dickรฉphysics
No idea tbh I've only seen a couple videos that were hilarious as a result of the physics features lol
like you can spam crouch and.. you can imagine the rest
plucky pagoda
Wow, revenue is up 39% and yet they are still showing a net loss.
As a game dev them going public sucks. As a market speculator, I'm going to buy hard first chance. I think they'll go to a royalty system in the first year.
fathom wadi
if I had money to burn I'd put some into Unity shares
plucky pagoda
I've long suspected they weren't making enough money with their subscriptions. That sec filling confirms it.
Moving to royalties wouldn't cost them much in adoption and would dramatically increase their revenue. Looking at their key stockholders I can't imagine they won't push for it.
fathom wadi
Too many people try to re-invent the wheel whilst the successful ones adjust the wheel that is already there to make it better.
plucky pagoda
What do other people use for their game designs and plans? Evernote?
foggy path
the only two games I've actually designed to any degree instead of just doing , one I used google docs and other I just slap things into github issues
zinc matrix
I use Github Projects. Free, can setup as companies (or some global name) organization and manage there repos, issues and projects.
Gitlab has a little nicer and more flexible system, but it's more complicated so I prefer Github.
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda most of my planned out stuff ends up somewhere between HackNPlan, Dundoc and Draw.io/diagrams.net
plucky pagoda
Nice, I was not familiar with those first two.
Seriously thanks. those look great.
fathom wadi
Ive used them for years now so there may be better. I never much liked Trello back in the day, but I appreciate it more now
zinc matrix
Microsoft To-Do is also good for some things. I'm doing short video tutorials now and it's good to fast check which ones are done and add notes what should be improved/re-recorder etc.
plucky pagoda
Trello is great for what it does , but it's not enough for designing.
thorny dock
Check out clickup, direct competitor of trello, everything on trello premium is free on clickup
cerulean shale
First day back at college and I get put as lead programmer for our semester class working with 2 art classes. So much work... 
thorny dock
A friend of mine got his entire office to switch to clickup from some other paid software, they have been able to collaborate for free successfully
foggy path
I use OneNote for Windows 10 a lot for just random notes
it's pretty handy for that sorta stuff
thorny dock
Same, it's nice to have my notes on every platform, and to be able to slap pictures in there and quickly draw on things. I do wish OneNote had support for gifs, file uploads, and easier formatting options
fathom wadi
also. Worksies on a precious game https://twitter.com/GameJobs24/status/1297959570493575168?s=20
Twitter
foggy path
Daedalic always reminds me of this stupid game
solid aurora
alpine fern
fathom wadi
hope it works out. The more the merrier
fringe sundial
as i posted on industrychat
We have a history of losses and may not achieve or sustain profitability in the future.
We have experienced net losses in each period since inception
there must be something to adhere to going public tho. At least a plan.
finite lark
who is edgar btw
thorny dock
Conspiracy theory: facebook was on the fence about buying unity in 2019, but didn't because they wanted to wait for them to go public because it would be cheaper to invest in the long run
fathom wadi
You would think they would come up with their own engine specific for it. I mean, its nice having interfaces but if you are talking about getting 16k per eye, it might be worth starting to build it now before we can afford to buy the kit.
agile egret
Because it never gets old:https://twitter.com/i/status/1257417526126002180
foggy path
wtf :D
light spruce
that's not terribly surprising
Not being embraced by a huge developer is something that's always going to hurt. And it's even worse whenever you consider the reputation it got for shovelware asset flips. Thankfully, we have competition from UE4 in that segment now.
honest eagle
hello, can someone tell me what's so bad about using assets in your ready made game?
I get that its not unique and can take you out of the game, but do you really want to model every grass and flower and rock by yourself, when its going to look the same as assets anyways?
honest eagle
because of using assets?
rich quiver
bad working conditions and mikez own problems affect the team
fathom wadi
@honest eagle gameplay is king. I don't care if it looks like re-used toilet paper. If it's good gameplay I can live with re-used art. I mean, if Ubisoft can re-use assets in AAA, there is no shame in it for indie. Use what you can to make your game.
honest eagle
but what if they use the assets when fully finished?
the gameplay could be also from asset
ancient hornet
using ready assets is fine
as long as it doesn't feel like you are doing that ๐
you just need a good mix of ready use + custom or trickery to make them feel unique
fathom wadi
Imagine if you were prototyping a game.
Would you use different box models to flesh out levels everytime? Or use the same ones because gameplay is king?
If you re-use assets and can make them look different somehow, all power to you, but most of your audience won't even recognise the art.
honest eagle
by asset I meant by buying everything from ue4 market place and calling it your game
fathom wadi
yeah so was I
you paid for those assets. Nobody has the right to tell you what to do with them. You bought them for the game. ๐
honest eagle
I can enjoy bad gameplay if I love just walking around in the world, but I guess thats then the gameplay
fathom wadi
I feel no shame in using any assets that Epic gave me. I'm not a studio. I can't afford 12 staff to order around. I still have to get my stuff done tho.
honest eagle
yeah I agree
honest eagle
I wonder if they were just memeing
fathom wadi
maybe it was an advert for the pack
honest eagle
thats big brain markering
proven thorn
I wished I used more asset packs sometimes.
But consider it from a marketing point of view.
If your key / hero assets are an asset store piece, it isn't likely going to resonate well if it is used in other places.
honest eagle
you could think the other games as part of the same game series, same guy in a different adventure
proven thorn
Characters are also one aspect of a game you can additionally trademark and be another source of revenue
fathom wadi
true. I worked on a game where the main character asset was bought and I saw it on another game cover. It was slightly modified but it was the same model. I thought that was off, asked the guy who ran the project. He said yeah he bought it. I felt bad for him in a way
light spruce
what you're looking for here is "Art Direction"
proven thorn
Art direction / cohesion is hard to maintain with art assets, unless you just go for photogrammetry.
fathom wadi
its 2077 hours until Cyberpunk 2077 is released.
light spruce
Yeah. That's precisely the point. It's why you have to be selective about it and/or be able to adequately modify parts of it to fit your needs.
proven thorn
Our shark model constantly gets stolen and reused by a lot of people
In some ways it is flattery when your shark model kind of becomes the defacto shark model that people use all the time
light spruce
Ha. Yeah. There's that situation too.
proven thorn
We can't trademark it though, as it is just a great white.
But it is hilarious to see it pop up in the weirdest places
Such as music videos by big name artists
light spruce
You'd probably burst into flames trying to actually track it all down at this point too.
proven thorn
But hey, let's not forget that the original Doom was an asset flip when it comes to sound
Most of the sounds came from the SFX libraries
With some slight modifications here and there
And no one seems to care
honest eagle
most games from that era uses libraries for sounds
light spruce
"that era"
honest eagle
you mean they still do?
light spruce
There's still extensive sound library use in game development, film, and tv
honest eagle
pretty sure I've heard the spyro chickens in breaking bad
light spruce
Every time I hear that one door sound that has the push bar disengage and the squeak... it takes another three days off my life
I promise that unless you are deaf, you've heard it a hundred times
honest eagle
I think I know which one you mean, because I feel something like that has been burned into my mind
I really dont care for the wilhelm scream or others, just takes me out of the movie
foggy path
I checked what that sound library costs which is used in doom and a lot of other older games
it was about 500 usd iirc
light spruce
If I ever actually release something again, I will do 100% of the foley
bird sounds? fucking foley
honest eagle
you need a good recorded and polishing the files, but its fun and doable
or if its indie and experimental, weird noisy files can work too
proven thorn
We are currently making a lot of sounds for our new game.
It is quite a noticeable difference
As there is less approximations
Or fatigue from hearing the same thud / thunk sounds
But we also pick our battles
light spruce
Yeah, it's a non-zero time investment
Now that I'm thinking about it, I might actually make sure I have a place to store bins for a foley pit in the new booth
foggy path
I made a crouch-slide sound effect for my other game project by sliding an empty plastic soda bottle on my desk lol
I pitched it down and it sounded pretty good :P
light spruce
As much as I like sliding in games... that should probably sound like "KRRHSHRf FUCK!"
zinc matrix
honest eagle
I hear even monster pcs cant play it at max settings
zinc matrix
foggy path
Wait people struggle to run Flight Sim?
I run it on max settings on my 6900K and GTX 1080 Ti and it ran perfectly smooth lol
I was surprised how smooth it ran...
Granted I wasn't looking at the framerate so I don't really know what the exact number was, but it ran smooth enough for me to not think about it
Oh, yeah maybe that'd do it ๐ค
Don't even have that option on a 1080 lol
Yeah I haven't gotten super into it tbh but just wanted to give it a spin
It's on the xbox pass so you can get it for like 4 eur if you subscribe just for a month
it's pretty easy to get in, I haven't really played a lot of flight sims
light spruce
I haven't played a flight sim since Microsoft Flight Simulator 95
foggy path
yeah I remember playing FS98 at my friend's house when I was a kid lol
honest eagle
I like pointless roaming and exploring, but this just feels like it'd get old quick for me, but not sure
foggy path
I think if you've never used the xbox subscription service, you can get a trial for a month for 1 eur or so
honest eagle
I think it has free camera too that you can use to fly around and check the stuff closer, I like that
foggy path
worth it I'd say if you're even mildly curious :)
honest eagle
I only have 1050 ti, I wonder if itd look good enough
foggy path
Here's a challenge: Spot the bug
This is supposed to delete all actors that overlap with the despawn area... but it doesn't
nope, that is valid syntax with some nodes including Destroy Actor
no, some nodes will automatically loop an array for you when used as inputs like this.. so no, that's not the bug :)
this version works
the problem is that it loops the array.. but because of how const-nodes in BP's work, it recalculates the overlapping actors every single iteration
but it doesn't correctly account for the array length changing mid-iteration... so it only ever deletes half of the overlaps :P
this same feature has caused so many random strange problems for me... :D
you can also connect multiple things into some of the nodes in addition to arrays :)
it can be pretty handy in some cases
rigid shoal
All this sounds evil.
broken sigil
it looks like something that shouldn't be a thing
plucky pagoda
Bad things happen in BP if you remove indices from an array that is being iterated over.
foggy path
@zinc matrix iirc it should, there's also a test that you can use to check whether the point is reachable via navigating
plucky pagoda
IIRc, after it finishes someone comes into your home and kicks your dog, if you don't have one they kick your neighbor's dog.
foggy path
lol
light spruce
what do they do if the police already shot the dog?
foggy path
yeah, it's just one of those things that you don't expect to happen when you're not even iterating it yourself
plucky pagoda
they still kick the dog
light spruce
fair enough
zinc matrix
Sons
foggy path
like you'd think the loop would make its own ref to the array instead of just recalculating it every time, like what possible use case is there even where it shouldn't do that
rigid shoal
As you said, all the pure nodes do that... kind of.
light spruce
I like how nothing in the ufunction macro suggests that it takes an array
mossy nexus
I would have thought that you'd just ensure the EQS search range is the same as your invokers?
rigid shoal
It does though. I remember seeing it as some meta specifier. I don't remember it very well, though.
mossy nexus
Unfortunately I have zero experience with invokers ๐ I was just spit balling.
but if you need something much farther away, not so much?
light spruce
they might have it in some weird-ass place, but just at the actor level, it certainly appears like it only handles the one.
light spruce
Why do today what you can not do at all?
tulip orbit
joins ponkkis
#lounge #depressed .... same thing aint it?
whats sad is that the job market in my area hasnt recovered from the pandemic, I'm part of the 16% unemployment rate, and the mortgage deferral that has saved my bacon is maxed out as of end of september
so if I'm not employed in a good job by then, I start to go about $1500/mo in the hole a month
tulip orbit
I'm an electrician by trade. so remote isnt really possible
foggy path
ah, but since you're here I'd imagine you can do programming or something as well, no?
tulip orbit
yeah, but not well enough to be employable. I'm mostly just good at blueprints
foggy path
ah I see, yeah might be bit tricky then
tulip orbit
I can take partial blame, cause I havent been looking very hard all this time
foggy path
lol
junior meteor
hi, i am to release an app, on phone.. android, can i get an advise on how to profit from it?
tulip orbit
finished my playthrough of factorio this afternoon, so yeah need to get back into being productive
junior meteor
CyberSpace Never Sleeps
tulip orbit
I sleep lots
light spruce
Shit. Remote electrician would be boss as hell. Fuck attics.
light spruce
My favorite times have always been whenever I find something that has three top plates and inevitably breaking a hole bit that had to be put on an extension.
that's because it does have to check references for aaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllll of it
foggy path
Yeah it just ended up crashing after churning for a while :P
light spruce
oh, yeah. I'm sure that project is totally fine now
foggy path
None of the assets in the folder were referenced from anywhere so I think it's fine... :P
light spruce
hell, I would have just deleted it at the filesystem level instead then
light spruce
ha ha.. did you pretend that the content browser was a real thing?
foggy path
This is software used by professionals to make million dollar productions
You would think a basic feature like deleting stuff would work
...but considering things like adding variables randomly causes the editor to bug out and open new tabs and then complain about "unknown tab", I'm not sure why I'd expect anything else from it
light spruce
It's almost like the state of "professional tools" is really kind of appalling.
foggy path
Something something I never had any problems in Unity cough
light spruce
the coughing being code for lying
foggy path
haha, not really tbh but I don't know if I really did anything particularly complex in it ever :P
then again I can remember unreal crashing on me completely at random and I don't remember a single time Unity crashed so I don't know... :D
light spruce
why I really can't wrap my head around people who champion stuff... because it's pretty clear that every software package varies between "awful" and "fucking awful"
light spruce
It's like saying, "Well my ecological disaster only took 8 years to clean up and only ruined 17 million lives"
It's not just a code problem. It's a system problem. The more complex the system, the more points of failure, and the harder it is for anyone to understand the entire scope.
foggy path
I could even compare this to cars!
light spruce
It's why I'm not looking forward to the day of plasma rifles. I'll have no idea how to put one of those back together.
foggy path
I had basically exactly the same car before my current car... except it had significantly less power
Now I have the same one except with a bigger engine... and man it's been so much trouble lol
light spruce
Variable valve timing for more power and efficiency? Oh, god, how the fuck does this work? No distributor? Coil on plug? What the fuck? Wait, why the fuck does this look like it has an electrical outlet? HOW DO I PUT FUEL IN THIS HELP
foggy path
lol
mossy nexus
It's why I'm not looking forward to the day of plasma rifles. I'll have no idea how to put one of those back together.
@light spruce is that the phased plasma rifle in the 40w range?
foggy path
tbh I don't think it's any more efficient... it just has higher displacement
light spruce
I prefer to drop to a 28W continuous. Less pure power, the heat efficiency is terrible, but you can cleanly cut dick shapes out of the wall.
I just want an AWD car that doesn't have fuel economy straight out of 1988
foggy path
so buy something made in the past 10-20 years instead :p
light spruce
I don't even know who really makes any at this point other than Subaru. And a WRX is what... 23? Not sure if Honda still has that AWD Acura...TL?
foggy path
I'm sure there's plenty of smaller SUV's or something
foggy path
Audi and Mercedes makes AWD although depends on your price range I guess :P
Good luck affording any of those tho unless you're pretty well off lol
you can get a 4Matic Mercedes for not-a-ridiculous sum of money
heh
light spruce
hard pass on a Tesla anyway
foggy path
they're kinda interesting but range is still meh for road trips :P
light spruce
You also never really know what will or won't be bolted down in the car
foggy path
@zinc matrix that's not even enough to drive to Helsinki from here lol
..not that I'd want to drive to Helsinki tbh
light spruce
And there's a greater than zero chance that if it is bolted down... it's not torqued to spec
of course, I might be making a huge assumption with Tesla that they have a torque spec
Or you live in the United States.
foggy path
well I have driven >500km in a single day on a few occasions so it's not out of the question
light spruce
Because if you don't stick to a smaller geographic area...not gonna work. Pretty ideal for two-car households. Not so much as a solo car.
foggy path
Last time some years ago I drove about 1000km in one evening because I felt like returning a book I had borrowed from a friend who lives in another city lol
and yeah, I've been eyeing a plug-in hybrid
that'd be ideal imo in the sense that you could easily drive quick local trips under electric power only
but you'd still have the petrol in there
light spruce
I used to drive ~1200km one way twice a year
Yeah. I'd need about 300k of range
for round trip
Not so much currently. Currently I'd probably be fine with about 20.
I haven't even gone out for some backroads, kill myself, rally times in months.
psh. rather have the Challenger
I don't know shit about carburetors though
fresh heath
dense storm
rich quiver
so unreal is safe for now
wet smelt
bruh momentus
light spruce
tl;dr my nards
wet smelt
lmao
light spruce
"Real Italian espresso, diluted with tasteless American water."
wet smelt
"for $49"
gilded lichen
๐ฉ
light spruce
it doesn't matter
gilded lichen
Why?
light spruce
because it's a legal matter and people talking about it incessantly doesn't mean anything
cursive crypt
Anyone knowing what were the consequences of that Epic Launcher research that was done recently? Or is still on going, or was it recently? Kinda out of the loop, lol.
dim ruin
@cursive crypt Epic Launcher research?
it wasn't another clueless shithead trying to use fiddler to "security audit" the launcher traffic was it? Those are always cute
cursive crypt
Survey! Not research, but survey. I think it came from the Launcher itself. My memory is fuzzy.
@dim ruin It was from epicgames.questionpro.com, seemed legit.
dim ruin
ah kewl. figured you meant another one of those stupid reddit threads lol
cursive crypt
Ah, no. So it was beginning of this month. I guess nothing came out yet as a report.
dim ruin
Just looking on the Epic Games reviews on trustpilot.com . They got review bombed hard by shithead little kids fanboying for steam and crying about fortnite lol
cursive crypt
Review on what?
dim ruin
reported it to be investigated for suspicious recent trends in reviews
trustpilot.com its a review site that grades the "trustworthiness" of sites or companies based on reviews
cursive crypt
Well, I see then at least 2 points of failure. That site worthiness as well the reviewers one ๐
dim ruin
pretty much. bangup job verifying these 12 year olds
cursive crypt
Yeah, does not sound fun. After the 10 opinion say.
zinc matrix
huh bro
zinc matrix
orb huh
cursive crypt
huh rob
soft night
you will do john job 3:14
thin storm
define almost done.
but if you not think about the whole, think more about the parts you want do finish step by step. helps me alot.
thin storm
yeah you have this stickman guys, you hardly can sell skins for that.
soft night
@zinc matrix thenyou sell millions of copies
zinc matrix
commit EA business and you get a hell lotta profit
soft night
using EGS in everywhere as business model and lots of profit even in applestore?
zinc matrix
well you can sell skins
light spruce
scrubs. all I need to do is stop trying to kill myself with tainted dolphin meat and I'll be shipping.
zinc matrix
burgers eat dolphins?
jovial quail
It would be nice to see an Epic Launcher overhaul along with the UE5 release
sage ermine
whats wrong with having everything you've ever bought all lumped into one massive long unorganised list?
zinc matrix
hey guys what you think of the cancel culture / group shaming stuff whats been going on here?
light spruce
I think as soon as I see "cancel culture" I assume I'm no longer interested.
foggy path
^ also when the user is brand new and has not posted anything else except the obvious flamebait :p
fluid bloom
we'll cancel you @zinc matrix ๐
light spruce
It's a pretty clear irrelevance flag along with "Crapple" and "M$"
light spruce
He's not wrong. They definitely don't fall into the category of "mess"
My Summer Car had too many bolt sizes
But I did chain those two "street racers" together. And while one of them was sitting there looking like an asshole, I proceeded to urinate directly into his face.
foggy path
:D
light spruce
And I don't know what was harder.... driving the motorcycle or getting it started
foggy path
Starting it won't kill you at least
light spruce
the startup procedure was basically an exam to see if you were allowed to immediately break all of your limbs
foggy path
There's actually a feature on it that I don't think most players are even aware of
The fuel toggle has a third setting for backup fuel reservoir
so you can actually run it out of fuel, flip it on the backup and continue
light spruce
... bullshit
foggy path
nah it's real, the actual Suzuki PV had that so of course the game has to have it too :D
light spruce
It's a thing you would actually have on an old motorcycle, but I refuse to believe it
I was just amazed that I managed to get the car running and timed properly... right up until I developed the two-piece rod system for cylinder #3
foggy path
the dev's made it a shitton more complicated nowadays
depending on when was the last time you played
light spruce
I played it pretty early when it came out
foggy path
ah
yeah you have to wire the electrics now, adjust the timing shaft, get spark plugs, etc.
light spruce
Modern wire loom simulator 2024
foggy path
thankfully you can't do the wiring wrong, it'll only allow you to connect them in the correct way
:D
(you can still electrocute yourself and burn down the car tho)
light spruce
what I'm hearing is "Stop walking around on the ocean floor in a giant robot punching fish and go set a car on fire after you pump raw sewage into the local store"
I actually can't remember what weird thing I did with the septic truck. I do know that I fell to my death because the developer(s) evidently mistook "septic tank" for "sinkhole to the core of the planet"
foggy path
:D
people actually do die from falling into those tanks IRL sometimes :p
But yeah there's a vandalism job, not sure if it was in the earlier versions.. you get a discount from the mechanic if you dump sewage at the car inspection place
oh yeah, that's a thing too in the current version of the game... you have to inspect your car every couple ingame weeks or the cops will fine you for driving an uninspected car lol
light spruce
not if I use the tow rope to drag them to the dump and then ride away on my motorcycle
foggy path
lol
median wraith
Oh
Why Epic accept and give devgrants to studios under investers
Well I don't even know why ask but ๐
soft night
hevedy should get 10K devgrant?
devout berry
I think 5k is the minimum
but you can ask for less if you want
don't know why you would do that but hey
gilded lichen
Is Epic a good company?
devout berry
companies are amoral. They exist to make money. Not sure you can consider a company good
devout berry
not sure you can consider them good or bad either. You could consider the people behind those companies though
wet smelt
any company thats nonprofit
always have good intentions
so long as it isnt a ponzi scheme for donations or sumn
ancient hornet
companies are only as moral as their dictators are
devout berry
not true.You can have non profit organizations focused on furthering any cause
good or bad
foggy path
I don't know if there's such a thing as a "non profit company"
the whole purpose of a company is to generate profit
ancient hornet
capitalism purpose is that companies fight with each other eating up their margins and inventing new ways to beat back those margins again to further the tech and customer benefits
profits is the driving factor behind capitalism, the red herring companies chase
gilded lichen
I bought a glass plate that shaped as a fish today.
mossy nexus
What will it be shaped like tomorrow?
light spruce
the end of eternity
mossy nexus
Sounds like my ex
tulip orbit
the fish thing or the eternity thing
gilded lichen
I think that Epic is great.
zinc matrix
yes
โค๏ธ epik !!
but they cant submit game to browsers can they
yeah
unity can
foggy path
Wonder if you could just compile an UE based game into WebAssembly :P
zinc matrix
Hes obviously trapping u guys lmao
Why would he set his own payment pipeline up
Too much work
they said the same when I wanted to make my MMOU but they dont say it anymore X_D
foggy path
how far up did you scroll for that
zinc matrix
actually i awnted to go for patreon first but they take fee so i go with own subscription system
wintry cliff
Wonder if you could just compile an UE based game into WebAssembly :P
@foggy path I know that there's an html5 exporter but I believe it left support and is now maintained on the source separately.
foggy path
yeah, that's probably how the exporter worked I'd imagine
wintry cliff
Yeah
foggy path
@zinc matrix you'll always have someone taking a cut, but I guess if you work directly with a payment processor the cut might be smaller than something like Patreon would take
zinc matrix
yeah
but honestly it only matters if you make money
which is veri hard
its task from another world !!!
foggy path
it's not terribly difficult to set up through something like Stripe as I was saying the other day before it devolved into trolling
:P
zinc matrix
I got stripe installed
with Ghost
but it uses node
and its painful to edit
its not intuitive
foggy path
well yeah you'd have to know how to write a backend to handle something like that
foggy path
if you don't know how to do that then I guess it might not be quite as easy :P
zinc matrix
but don tknow how
actually i chcnaged it a bit it could work tbh but couldnt be bothered to check
ancient hornet
there's some official handling of EGS in GoG Galaxy 2.0?
where you can launch/install EGS apps from the GoG launcher?
interesting
junior meteor
CyberRace Online
i made app for phone, which displays my artworks, user can observw them.. any way to make small profit from it?
foggy path
Make it cost money to DL, put ads into it, or add a donation button into it
That's probably the most straightforward options
You could also advertise art commissions in the app
ancient hornet
I'm pretty sure Apply will ask 30% of those commissions then
foggy path
As long as you don't directly sell commissions in the app probably not
If it's like "I'm available for commissions, go to this website" or whatever
junior meteor
i dont want to clutter it with adds...
fathom wadi
Apparently I've been cancelled by someone who works at Insomnia ๐
this pathetic cow is trying to get me cancelled because the age of consent differs from country to country. Like it's my fault.
junior meteor
I am an artist, in both worlds.. i do fluid artworks and designed an app to view it.. but i dont know how to profit from any of that... lol
foggy path
Marc you're a real drama hound lol
foggy path
as an artist you just gotta put it out there that you do commissions
junior meteor
because our minds are not from the world of men
junior meteor
@foggy path out where>?
foggy path
Well I guess in this case you'd put it into the app
Post it in your social media, etc.
junior meteor
np
1 men army
haha
btw, this app.. I have a lot of features that I dont know how to add.. it will be Fuk$$$ but i cant evolve it.. any1 wants to make money? its a 1 out of 100 step plan
haha
ancient hornet
If it's like "I'm available for commissions, go to this website" or whatever
@foggy path not allowed ๐
foggy path
Oh really, they specifically say you can't advertise that you're an artist?
junior meteor
I take a blame for Zomg
foggy path
That seems pretty fucking bizarre if you can't say that "I'm a person who can be employed"
lol
foggy path
junior meteor
i will give u a slight pointer to right direction
we are still using 2D planes and stare at the grey empty screen filled with tricoded linguistical garbage
come one humans Evolve
lol
in which group I can write my ideas and connect with people who share it?
where can I find those CRAZY UE4 people
who keep pushing forward
foggy path
everyone here except John, he's one of those Unity weirdos
foggy path
I'm working on a vhs tape rental store management/survival simulation lol
zinc matrix
eaea ea ea e a e a ea e ae
is the answer
who keep pushing forward
we keep grindin this lonely and rough indiedev worrld
for teh muney
zinc matrix
edge has no way to logout from single site without cleaning cookie for all sites
So stupid..
junior meteor
any Psychologists and TopLVL bored of life programmers? LF
ancient hornet
you can't have any hint about "going outside the App to get paid"
ancient hornet
foggy path
But you could probably state "hey I'm an artist, do you like my work? I'll do some art for you, go here"
there's no suggestion of money in that sort of phrasing
ancient hornet
they talk about the pains of getting their app on the App Store and how they have to gut more and more features to get it pass
seems you aren't allowed to have a way to unsubscribe from the app too ๐
foggy path
yeah I mean I've heard it's pretty much up to luck if you get a competent reviewer or not and the reviewer pretty much can do whatever with your app
ancient hornet
they couldn't have links in their app for the FAQ or Help pages
foggy path
that's pretty terrible
ancient hornet
because the site with those allowed you to subscribe outside the App Store
they have to flat out hide any extra content you could buy outside, like pretend it doesn't even exist etc...
anyway, they were clearly bitter about the whole experience ๐
zinc matrix
my dad is so annoying
ancient hornet
broken sigil
๐
ancient hornet
what? it would work perfectly!
gilded lichen
Hm... What the difference between a swine and a pig?
cursive crypt
You are considering to rename yourself?
fathom wadi
I use the term swine based on the Hunter S. Thompson usage in Fear and Loathing. "Don't take no guff from them swine". That particular line always stuck with me.
solar summit
hey, does anyone know any reliable subreddits to scout out and find other team members for game jams?
sage tendon
As rialiabe as any stranger you will ever meet
Like shrodingers cat, its dead and alive at the same time until you open the box
junior meteor
@solar summit game jam is party or test?
sage tendon
@fathom wadi for some reason I prefer the Depp movies from that period
junior meteor
ill employ any1 who passes this test
foggy path
"employ" implies a salary :p
junior meteor
BrotherThen
fathom wadi
just give me the adrenachrome and let me create
junior meteor
ImChewingTheLastOne
sage tendon
Pff thats a normal day for me
junior meteor
but is the day for you?
sage tendon
Stuff only gets crazy when the cafeine kicks in
sage tendon
No but I think the monsters are about to attack now
fathom wadi
maybe we should be spending more on nootropics and getting those left/right hemispheres firing in sync more often.
the guy who is testing Neurosity is taking supplements but not nootropics. He said it was a natural product. Forget the name.
*training
junior meteor
Chinese Tea, Chinese Herbs, Cardio, Yoga, Stretching @fathom wadi
chilly igloo
Some friend show me code where he using WorldAlignedTexture with complitely white texture. I ask him - why you texture are white? He says what this is exactly what he need.
So... WorldAlignedTexture instead of just add or multiply by float1.
How about this Elon Musk?! ๐คฃ
plucky pagoda
Umm... not the game I was looking for, 
fathom wadi
heh
zinc matrix
huh
damn i didnt poop in 2 days
i will clog the pipes again
and they will call the hydraulics
thin storm
haha
zinc matrix
im taking medicine and special tea to do it more often but it stopped working
rich quiver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VKdaMAMWj4 someone is making a animation material export ๐
foggy path
Apparently Unity already does Blender animations just fine
Which would be very handy
Bones work I guess but it's a bit of a hassle sometimes :D
solar summit
@junior meteor its a real game jam. im trying to find a good way of getting some decent artists and designers
junior meteor
@solar summit I am building a world for you to join me in
foggy path
any kind of game jam communities and such maybe? I think jams often have their own communities where people looking for a team can post
But do keep in mind that you tend to get equal returns to what you bring to the table... if you're a beginner, don't expect to get much interest from experts (it can certainly happen, but just don't go into it expecting that)
solar summit
thank you for the heads up @foggy path . ill keep this in mind
junior meteor
got it
inner cloud
zinc matrix
what's facebook?
fathom wadi
social wing of the military. It used to be called The First Earth Battalion but they lost credibility when the General leading it was found to be trying to walk through a wall. A solid wall.
zinc matrix
Oh, I heard about it. Hollywood made a movie about him https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TimelyBitterHedgehog-size_restricted.gif
i mean if he ran against door it owuld be the same cus its closed
cute
I like the blood splat after the bunny died... like 5 seconds before ๐
Tenet.
maybe he didn't die from bite, maybe it was heart attack
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix yeah. The men who stare at goats. I read the book, its a lot better but the movie is fun. Is takes a lot from the book.
zinc matrix
unity is adding visual scripting
do you think unreal is scared???
idk
but unreal must be very scared now
chilly igloo
didnt they just recently bought something and after awhile removed it?
@zinc matrix i hear what they have some internal visual scripting tool but it has some restrictions. Now they buy visual scripting plugin from one of they marketplace developer.
quiet narwhal
Unity was making a DOTS based Visual Scripting system, and still is according to them but in the meantime they purchased and bundled in BOLT with all versions of unity. It's a very good Blueprint like system with the benefit it compiles down to C# native scripts
quiet narwhal
but its not like VS has not been available for Unity for years now, nothing new
quiet narwhal
runtime debugging?
it does yep https://youtu.be/DMBNticfUkg?t=280
it's very comparable to Blueprints at this point
zinc matrix
rugged storm
please help is there a good way to reduce the heat from my pc making the room hot
even with a fan it doesn't help
fathom wadi
play at 800x600 resolution
fathom wadi
try 320x240
chilly igloo
Air conditioner?
rugged storm
yeah i have an air conditioner on right now
chilly igloo
And you room are still too warm? o0
rugged storm
yes
chilly igloo
From what planet you are?
rugged storm
prob the gpu doing that
fathom wadi
my gpu is a pure radiator when I play in 4K
rugged storm
time to check temps
rugged storm
i have to have it on to make the room slightly colder
ancient hornet
position the fan so that hot air exits through a window maybe
fathom wadi
I set my fans to max when it goes over 60deg because I know it's going to get used at that point.