#lounge
zinc matrix
This is what I was missing. Why force China to steal stuff, while we can just give them code directly.
ancient hornet
you can bet Notepad++ won't be available on that one π
foggy path
Inevitable when US-based providers get stuck in stupid policymaking
fluid bloom
there's also bitbucket, but I guess chinese aren't too keen on australians either π
foggy path
a second rate service for second rate users :X
fluid bloom
we tend to use bitbucket at work π€
ancient hornet
I offer my condolences
ancient hornet
I didn't like it much when I used it really, compared to github or gitlab
foggy path
it does the job
the UI is just not as well designed for the features as github's
so if you get used to the UI it doesn't matter I guess
zinc matrix
Guys I'm trying to replace Windows on my old laptop so my mom can use it for teaching her students.
Manjaro or Ubuntu?
Or something else?
OpenSuse
And why you need to replace Windows?
foggy path
You need to start by checking what software she needs to use
because not everything exists on Linux
I don't think the distro matters - you're probably going to be the one who's gonna have to fix it anyway lol
zinc matrix
And why you
needto replace Windows?
@zinc matrix it is a bit too anal-retentive about surveilling my laptop and my disk is giving out.
@foggy path web browser, office suite, at most video editing.
Then replace disk. Still on HDD?
Actually it is still a-okay but the Antimalware process does something extremely weird with it, so bootups have slowed down to a crawl.
File transfers still occur fast enough.
And replacing the HDD is a pain atm
fluid bloom
how the hell do I watch youtube videos with my lock screen on?
I'm trying to listen to a video while doing some cleaning and this is proving impossible
fathom wadi
https://www.rt.com/usa/498606-dorsey-10mn-donation-antiracism/
Dorsey just donated $10m to a guy that thinks if you were racist in your past, even if you redeemed yourself, you should be discriminated against. I guess im screwed then.
zinc matrix
why would you be racist
rigid shoal
@fluid bloom I think you need YouTube Premium (or whatever it's called).
rigid shoal
Yes.
You might like YouTube Premium anyway. No ads and download stuff.
fluid bloom
mobile firefox plays it
nice
apparently not
it stops buffering in lock screen
phones can get fucked
guess I'll just leave the phone on a table and hope the bluetooth range is enough
fathom wadi
https://www.blender.org/press/unity-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-a-patron-member/ one step closer to an industry standard. Go Blender.
zinc matrix
all the game engine channels are abuzz with this lmao
carmine frigate
blender doesnt join any1 tho π
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi
rt
reliable
just another russian fascist mouthpiece to me
fathom wadi
of course thats why I read them
it offsets the neo-capitalist bullshit I read in all the other media
if you follow my comments on RT's facebook page, I'm often calling them out for being propagandists. It's part of the fun.
zinc matrix
ideally i'd read from anarchist and/or non-profit outlets but they don't cover certain issues
fathom wadi
yeah agenda driven bastards
zinc matrix
all commercial news outlets to me benefit from restrictive copyright law
for issues not covered by them i prefer more leftist outlets
fathom wadi
I have no preference really. They all lie for profit. Such is life.
zinc matrix
i should read the news more but it irritates me and i can't do anything about the shit in this world
fathom wadi
you can. Thats the problem. Everyone is lead to believe they can't. The problem is too big. They are too powerful. Thats not true anymore. We have information on our side. And what is knowledge if not power?
Thats why the global elite threw their toys out of the pram, decided to be blatent and open on their deceptions and use plausible deniability and blame shifting to get away with it long-term.
But the tide has changed. Now is the perfect time to change the world. The hippies had their moment but they fucked it up. Let's not do the same by playing their game of "in-fighting for clicks" and get on with shaping the future in the right way for our kids.
zinc matrix
i wish to play my part in taking action but i have to deal with my personal demons first. i should quit complaining about this stuff and quit reading the news until i feel ready
zinc matrix
debian's a decent distro
light spruce
I'm also kicking off Operation: Beach Towel. There are no beaches. Or towels. Shorts. Hawaiian shirt. Ethanol. Surf rock.
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix another way to stem the uprising. Make the individual care more about their own problems than the collective. Distraction is everything to them. It's been how they lasted this long.
zinc matrix
yeah but i do have some legitimately fucked up issues with myself
how do you think this uprising would or should manifest though?
light spruce
Dick Dale and booze. (also debian somehow)
fathom wadi
As peacefully as possible if you ask me. First would be to end the 2 party system. It's too exploitable. There is no system in the world that should divide it's most logical sources of information into two warring parties. That is absolute madness unless you are using it to control the masses through appeasement. ie. 8 years this party, 8 years that party, here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.
Start defunding pointless war machines too. F35's? Useless. You can fly the missiles direct from remote with an xbox pad these days. F35's are shit.
You could list thousands of ideas really to solve issues. It's never going to be one thing, but more of a human traits that leads us to peace. If humanity remains greedy, evil and forced into actions against morality, for profit and power, then it will stay the same. But the majority don't want war. They want to be left alone.
I have to go deal with the kids, but I will leave this and it should sum it up for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMVMbmQBug
light spruce
"I'd rather fund the C130J and give troops hand grenades. It'd be more effective than the F-35"
foggy path
I think part of the problem is that people focus too much on gigantic massive problems
light spruce
foggy path
and then it's like.. "what can I do vs this <huge problem>"
but honestly there's a lot of small things that you can do... simply by just being a good person
calling out shitty behavior online is one super easy thing anyone can do
zinc matrix
some people just don't see certain small problems as problems though
foggy path
Eh, I hang out on discord servers and communities where there's occasionally undesirable behavior and I just call it out if I see it
it doesn't really take any time from me that I'm already not wasting on those servers 
light spruce
As long as you aren't going up against the hivemind that either doesn't care or thinks it's totally okay
Because if you are, you just create a huge shitshow in the process
foggy path
I wouldn't really wanna hang out in those sorts of places anyway :P
fathom wadi
I think its not just enough for us to do something small though. We need a couple of big steps. Like peace treaties, ending of sanctions, resource sharing and economic stability without outside (COUGH SOROS) influence.
zinc matrix
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK SOROS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR?
foggy path
doing something small is better than inaction
light spruce
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rigid shoal
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light spruce
I have a feeling this is going to really harsh my mellow during Operation: Beach Towel
zinc matrix
everyone i've seen complain about that guy has always been either a Nazi or sympathetic to Nazis. yes, he may be a rich guy but his haters are those who have a problem with him for being Jewish and "installing globalism"
rigid shoal
I hate globalism.
light spruce
Literally all I know about him is that 1) He exist 2) He shows up as a reason for "something" in right-wing talking points.
zinc matrix
define globalism, without saying it has something to do with the Jews
light spruce
What he's actually done has never seemed to come up
rigid shoal
The connection/movement of people and economies between countries.
fluid bloom
globalization won when cavemen discovered how to make wheels
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix dude. Are you kidding me? You just likened me to a nazi or being sympathetic to nazis because I called out Soros for messing with economies? It's fuck all to do with him being Jewish. I never even considered it until you just mentioned it.
rigid shoal
Nah, they used the wheel to kill other tribes. That's not globalism.
fluid bloom
pretty black and white eh?
zinc matrix
i say abolish economies, borders and repression. had i not been able to leave my country of birth people would want me to try and be cured of my gender issues and my malcontent with the institutional religion etc.
zinc matrix
i don't think soros is solely responsible for fucking up the economy and blaming it on him alone is really suspicious to me
fluid bloom
I guess I better get rid of these squirrel skins :\
foggy path
I don't think he meant to liken anyone to a nazi, Soros' name just tends to come up with a lot of conspiracies :P
rigid shoal
I was kidding, kind of. But still, as of recent times, globalism really ramped up, obviously.
But particularly the outsourcing of labor. Really hate that.
zinc matrix
granted, i used to watch a lot of these right wing videos until i lost it with them
i didn't know what was going on
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix I guess you haven't read about it properly. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But they don't call him the man who broke the Bank of England for nothing.
light spruce
Don't worry, Marc has the ability to miss any nuance, feel personally attacked, and then totally lose his shit while acting like a complete asshole.
fathom wadi
anyway. im out. Need informed discussion before being called a jew hating nazi thanks.
zinc matrix
I don't think he meant to liken anyone to a nazi, Soros' name just tends to come up with a lot of conspiracies :P
@foggy path this is why i am suspicious about anyone who complains about him. yes, he is a rich man but a lot of people don't take issue to the fact he's rich
rigid shoal
Soros has admitted to trying to build countries and purposely implementing liberal policies, which some may view as a bad thing.
zinc matrix
most complaints i've seen about soros are with regards to his ethnicity
Soros has admitted to trying to build countries and purposely implementing liberal policies, which some may view as a bad thing.
@rigid shoal and this
rigid shoal
He has also done some questionable things when he was young.
Either way, I don't have any feelings one way or another for the guy.
globalism bad tho
zinc matrix
if there's anything i want to see soros do (if he is responsible for breaking nations' economies and politics), i want him to mess with nations like turkey, russia, brazil and many countries across eastern europe. they're well on the path to fascism, forcing religious authoritarianism, persecution of women and ethnic minorities.
foggy path
tbh I don't know why globalism is bad
carmine frigate
its all not that bad when ur raised like that π
foggy path
it seems like a fairly idealistic goal that the entire world would be open and equal in a sense
rigid shoal
It's kind of bad for America. It has its benefits, and it has its cons. I just don't like how everything is produced in China at the cost of the American middle class.
zinc matrix
i see that the arguments against globalism are that there are still groups of people worldwide willing to accept authoritarian and repressive policies maybe
foggy path
that's a problem that could be solved with improved labor rights, education, etc.
we've had a bit of a resurgence of finnish manufactured goods for example
light spruce
When you get into the aspect of manufacture, there are some serious logistics issues that come up
carmine frigate
hmm wird i never see made in finland on any of my products π
rigid shoal
I don't know. Cheap labor is cheap labor. The Chinese can do good work for cheap.
foggy path
They can't afford to keep making stuff for cheap forever
rigid shoal
y not
foggy path
Same reason you can't do shit for equally cheap in the US
carmine frigate
yea china is changing real fast
foggy path
When the people stop being wage slaves and demand better conditions you have to increase prices
light spruce
One thing is that we don't have and won't have a Shenzhen in the states
zinc matrix
i'd say to mitigate the harms of globalism we need to stop worshipping and funding authoritarian regimes. unfortunately that's easier said than done
light spruce
It's a "factory town"
You want to build electronics? everything is available in that area
Even throwing the labor considerations out... just the pure logistics is really hard to beat
carmine frigate
they have entire towns dedicated to 1 product awell
but we also kinda have that here
light spruce
But in the US, you'd be shipping a bunch of shit halfway across the country
And freight ain't fuckin' cheap
rigid shoal
A lot of stuff changes hands a lot between the US and Mexico too. Just goes back and forth.
light spruce
And especially considering that most of it has to happen via trucking
foggy path
It could be if the US rail network didn't suck balls :P
light spruce
That would definitely help but you still run into some issues there too. Sheer geographic size is its own problem
foggy path
that's true
I'm not sure if anything says you couldn't concentrate certain industry in a certain location
light spruce
And you can't go a couple of days without a train wreck or a derailment somewhere
So, trains do have plenty of problems. Especially with the size consideration of how much you'd have to deal with inspecting just for what exists right now let alone if it was expanded.
It's not so much that you couldn't concentrate manufacturing areas so much as it's not a thing that happens because people don't want that... tax incentives... all kinds of shit
Obviously, Detroit was like that for automotive manufacturing for a long time
Something I still find amusing are the people who insist on buying AMERICAN automobiles... that wind up being built in Mexico.... when Japanese manufacturers opened plants here because it became cheaper and more advantageous than overseas production, shipping, and importation fees
But, tl;dr - there are a lot of hard interrelated problems
zinc matrix
oh the next call of duty is back to the 20th century. joy.
light spruce
I don't know if Mike was going to say something and thought better of it, or if he did that thing I do all the time which is have the wrong goddamned window selected. But, hi, Mike!
I'll just casually put another mark on "number of chats killed"
zinc matrix
at least you're not starting flame wars unlike me @light spruce
light spruce
Plenty of people think I'm a dumb piece of shit.
so... I wouldn't really use me as a benchmark
zinc matrix
i just make others angry because of my political bullshit
light spruce
I don't really alt+tab that much.. it's more of an "I'm looking at a different window on a different display and of course it isn't selected"
I'm a socialist that carries a firearm. You wanna talk about inviting some dumb shit because of assumptions and people not knowing what to do with that combo... I'm unfortunately familiar with it.
zinc matrix
my interest in guns has been piqued thanks to first person shooters, but i'm annoyed by especially conservative pro-gun nuts because they complain about game violence and porn as causes of shootings without actually doing anything to address those who feel compelled to shoot innocents. fuck the nra for being instrumental in this, for one
nearly all firearm-related associations to me are just right-wing fucks
i'm off for a while for IRL shit and in case i say more bullshit later
fathom wadi
it seems like a fairly idealistic goal that the entire world would be open and equal in a sense
@foggy path That's how they sold it to me back in school too. But I found out it's a ruse. Case in point π ....
foggy path
wait what lol
fathom wadi
globalism π
foggy path
I don't get it :D
light spruce
@zinc matrix did you fix your nightmare fuel animation?
fathom wadi
with globalism comes a single world government. Then all you need to worry about is who runs that? In our case, it's kind of compartmentalised already minus a few anarchic elements π
foggy path
ah
yeah that's why I use the word "idealistic" because at least the way things are with today's humanity it's pretty fucking idealistic
but I think it's a worthy idea nevertheless
fathom wadi
it wouldn't take much to make life better for everyone. Its just taking the step towards humanity en masse.
foggy path
yeah
this is also why I keep telling people EU is good even if they sometimes goof a little bit
generally EU is a force for the greater good
fathom wadi
If I were dictator, my first law in place would be "If a company does not pay it's taxes, the government can take ownership of the company until the debt is paid". See how many tax returns get filed that day.
light spruce
I'm definitely not interested in having to fight with animation
foggy path
lol
light spruce
though I'm sure I'll "get" to if I continue doing some stuff for someone
I really just want to be bad at systems design instead
foggy path
my big animation problem is I might want to try using IK at some point
I have a pickup animation but it always just points forwards... Ideally I'd like it to actually reach for the item
light spruce
would you also like the moon?
I thought that IK and constraints were supposed to make things like that not awful ... so... what the hell happened?
plucky pagoda
Ik isn't that bad to get working in UE as long as you break it down into basic elements and don't try and just make it monolithic.
fathom wadi
not difficult to add IK really. Just a node. Even easier with a control rig.
foggy path
yeah I've barely just touched any kind of animation :P
fathom wadi
Sorry, we (USA) do not live in a dictatorship
@foggy widget hows that voting by mail going? Trump2020/2024/2028
foggy path
yeah voter suppression is a thing legitimate non-dictatorship countries do π€
fathom wadi
remember when all those dead black folk voted for Jeb Bush in Florida that time?
im talking facts
plucky pagoda
Destroying tax payer funded equipment is a little different than moving a few mail boxes.
foggy path
Oh yeah just go talk to any black folks and ask them about voter suppression not being real lol
fathom wadi
^^
foggy path
yeah making it difficult to vote is perfectly fine
fathom wadi
In the UK we mark our votes with pencils. Seriously. I'm like... do they think the Tories don't have an army of erasers at hand?
π
plucky pagoda
I guess that whole Jim Crow was a hallucination.
foggy path
why are you even assuming this is about Trump :D
Voter suppression is an older concept than that
fathom wadi
you are focusing on people's statements there. That's called "discrediting by proxy"
yeah.
plucky pagoda
There has been systematic voter suppression in the US since the beginning and especially in the south since African-Americans won the right to vote.
fathom wadi
you claim voter fraud or suppression isn't true because two discredited people said so.
well Im not trying to make an argument, just discuss.
yeah that was my point
light spruce
Hm. Blocked message(s). So either someone who continually posts links to Twitter or someone who lives in an alternate universe
plucky pagoda
Lol, pot meet kettle
fathom wadi
here is a historic moment. Can anyone tell me the significance?
foggy path
all you need to do is go to wikipedia and you'd get a lot of examples of it :P
Oh yeah because all those 150 or so credited sources on that page are not real :D
pearl compass
foggy path
lol
fathom wadi
π
pearl compass
its my new album cover. that is the signifigance
plucky pagoda
Not how it works. You made the claim, you support it.
fathom wadi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_13_scandal Here is the story if you are interested. It's interesting as heck.
foggy path
I literally linked you an article with 150 sources
foggy path
it has a 150 sources to non wikipedia sites
zinc matrix
regarding voter suppression - it's claimed to be an issue because in the eyes of those who claim it, the government seem neglectful to even consider the health and lives of minority communities in the first place
light spruce
Guys ... I just want you to know that I am the one who is just here to argue and post history confirmed that.
zinc matrix
living in a place that's less desirable to live and hard to reach and even communicate to and from practically reduces political power
fathom wadi
@foggy widget I just looked up the wiki on biological differences between men and women. And I saw nudes. They looked different to me.
125 sources on that one
lol
what?
fathom wadi
aaaand im out π
foggy path
are you still claiming they are not?
zinc matrix
depends on your definition of man and woman
and government only works for the rich anyway
i wouldn't call it voter suppression as much compared to it being a neglect of the electorate
pearl compass
da fuck is this guy on about? show me an article? The fuck is an article going to prove other than you can read? You can obviously read, but seemingly fail to comprehend. Welcome to ignore.
zinc matrix
then again there's the issue of boomers being more easily able to vote too
plucky pagoda
I want to talk about this conspiracy to hide the fact that the sky is actually fuchsia.
foggy path
it's definitely more credible than some troll clown on discord
light spruce
as it turns out, biological sex and the construct of gender aren't actually the same thing
foggy path
nah Justin
democrat lies
I bet you also would like to let women vote
yeah here in the civilized world we regularly move mailboxes around
infact, we have a whole agency here in Finland dedicated to moving mailboxes
no joke look it up
yeah we move them out of areas where black people live because black people don't use mail
zinc matrix
some places (although a few these days) have different definitions for what constitutes a man, a woman or something else entirely
regarding voter suppression i think it's kind of inaccurate to call it that when government doesn't even bother to pay attention to large swathes of its electorate anyway
foggy path
no no I'm saying it's fact
plucky pagoda
That's an unreasonable request.
zinc matrix
at least in places where voting isn't mandatory, but australia managed to vote in someone who loves fossil fuels
foggy path
our government has done research on it
light spruce
Yeah, I don't know what scares me more... women voting or homosexuals being married. But I'm secure enough in my sexuality to have pearls to clutch either way
foggy path
that's why in finland we require you to mail in your vote three times
you can't fake it if you do it in triplicate
yeah Putin is a great guy, just ask finnish hockey player Esa Tikkanen
Putin is a hell of a hockey player
Esa Tikkanen played with Putin and Lukashenko
plucky pagoda
Those same people who go online and use phrases like "those same people" often ask others to provide facts while providing none themselves.
zinc matrix
the main issue is that others are still viewed as subhuman/heretics/infidels/inferior etc. even if they don't say it. that's one of the main issues in this world, hence those viewed as a liability are neglected. helps to explain religious persecution in the middle east, racism in america, maybe its voter suppression issue and all the bullshit wrong with this world.
plucky pagoda
foggy path
Don't you know it's a common thing in russia to ask for no polonium in your tea
hardy yacht
hahaha
foggy path
It's your own fault if you don't remember to ask for no polonium
light spruce
hahaha shit.. at a distance, I thought that said "poisonium" which was marginally funnier
plucky pagoda
Lol, next provide an article from RT
foggy path
RT is the most reliable news agency in Russia
pearl compass
in putin's russia, you put your own polonium in your own tea.
light spruce
Guys, please don't put poisonium in my tea. I'm allergic and I can't afford an Epipen in the USA
pearl compass
Epipen or Episteinpen
foggy path
Don't worry with the mailboxes moved out of the way the ambulance can get to you better
light spruce
Not when there are speed bumps
zinc matrix
the real question to answer is not whether voter suppression exists or not, but why people claim this is an issue in the first place
and what we need to do to prevent that
light spruce
(speed bumps result in the death of more people than they could ever potentially save as a result of forcing emergency services to slow down for them)
foggy path
We should just let the government choose the leader
No voting, no fraud
No suppression either!
this is why here in Finland we don't actually count any of the votes
It's just a formality
Reading is overrated anyway
hardy yacht
in the end vote doesn't really matter, leaders are drinking non-polonium tea with each other despite the fights they have on tv
foggy path
I only read Breitbart
hardy yacht
enemies on tv, friends behind the scenes
foggy path
on audiobooks
zinc matrix
as i would like to iterate it's claimed to be an issue because of how humanity sees others as inferior and not worth one's attention, especially if they can't make someone money
foggy path
The issue is trolls claiming minorities can't vote, they just have to commute two hours to the voting station no big deal
rigid shoal
We need Voter ID.
light spruce
and take time off work
From one or more jobs
that they need to still live below the poverty line
zinc matrix
it's the responsibility for those in power to exercise it without causing anyone resentment.
fuck the laws, some laws aren't helpful
plucky pagoda
Does this seem like it covers all the technical details? https://youtu.be/SGkFRs6eng4
light spruce
I'm betting that's made out of aluminum which is definitely not tin
zinc matrix
well the people aren't often deciding the laws, only those who are rich and powerful in the firrst place most of the time
like disney being able to potentially extend copyright to as long as they please
foggy path
wrong question
"when was the last time you left your moms basement"
that's the one
light spruce
I'm pretty sure if I was having to read this stupid shit, I'd probably be equal parts confused and infuriated
zinc matrix
i live in the UK so i can't speak for US politics but the time to vote does kind of matter. everyone in the US has to drive around. poor minority communities often live in hovels and work long hour jobs and make almost nothing
light spruce
Missing half the conversation makes it a lot closer to the "amusing" side of things
zinc matrix
the issue is the whole system in the US is rigged against those who aren't white, christian, male and rich. anyone who is black is instantly suspected a criminal
anyone who isn't a christian or rich is instantly suspected of subversion
foggy path
people always think us republicans troll
zinc matrix
societal attitudes take far longer to change
and sometimes don't change at all or even go backwards
light spruce
Like I'm not even sure the Game Grumps tip of "read it in the voice of Dale Gribble from King of the Hill" would help
foggy path
some people still think Barack Hussein Obama was born in america
zinc matrix
reagan's election and the 1979 islamic revolution should be proof enough the world wants to go back to repressive ways
foggy path
that's what's wrong
zinc matrix
oh, and erdogan and putin's reign
carmine frigate
i am 2 out of 4,
foggy path
you actually believe in dinosaurs?
rigid shoal
40 years ago is not that long ago lol.
foggy path
@rigid shoal it is when you're 14
zinc matrix
there are plenty of people worldwide who want to bring those days back
hardy yacht
when obama was president USA had a good vibe. nowadays everything looks messy coming from that direction. I hope things will get better.
carmine frigate
a lot changed in 40 years π
zinc matrix
obama was criticized for nuking innocent civilians though so he is not sinless
light spruce
It's a pretty deep hole to dig out of
foggy path
I find it kinda funny how people are backing Trump just because they hate democrats so much
rigid shoal
Things under Trump have been great. Change my mind.
zinc matrix
and i criticize pretty much every politician since they support repressive copyright law that is almost always voted by the rich.
light spruce
@rigid shoal You're an idiot. What do win?
(I clearly need to win an English course, Jesus)
foggy path
lol
hardy yacht
hey, just an opinion, i don't live in USA. just saying the vibe coming from there was positive.
zinc matrix
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-397-journalism-and-black-communities-scott-thompson-video-game-clones-iceland-s-dna-and-more-1.4733558/maker-of-donut-county-is-shocked-when-a-free-knock-off-beats-his-game-to-the-market-1.4734793
copyright and intellectual property law only benefit the rich. the creators of hole.io are backed by a big bank.
foggy path
the vibe during George W Bush was better than the vibe right now
that says something
:P
carmine frigate
USA has a funny kinda meme vibe with trump tho π
hardy yacht
can't argue more on that, i bet people that live there know better
carmine frigate
i like him π
light spruce
You're right. We know how much worse it is than you're portraying it
zinc matrix
Things under Trump have been great. Change my mind.
@rigid shoal oh it made fascism and authoritarianism more fashionable and legitimate. look at brazil, turkey, russia and poland as a few examples
foggy path
So if given a choice between Trump and any other republican candidate, you would pick Trump?
zinc matrix
the world still looks at the US as a role model even if they wish to avoid influences from outside their nation
rigid shoal
Yeah, Trump's pretty great.
hardy yacht
but just so you know, even people in my country make fun of Trump, and i live far away in Eastern Europe. Obama was much more respected.
carmine frigate
any american president that doesnt burn the world down is good in my book π
light spruce
Obama... a man who could handle not just one coherent sentence.. but several
foggy path
honestly I can appreciate people supporting republicans, but anyone who would rather have Trump than anyone else is just an actual tool.
zinc matrix
i like obama but it would be heinous of me to not criticise him. pretty much every politician still backs the rich ultimately
foggy path
you're not as stupid as you pretend to be lol
you know exactly what you're doing :D
so I'm not even gonna bother
rigid shoal
Just look at the stock market. It is amazing.
light spruce
I don't know; I'm pretty sure he's stupid
zinc matrix
i'm outside of US jurisdiction but he's helped to legitimize hateful attitudes towards certain groups of people. that's why i hate trump's/bolsonaro's/putin's/erdogan's supporters
hardy yacht
@zinc matrix of course. All of them are bad in the end. But if they balance somehow good and bad you get a good politician.
zinc matrix
the LGBT+ community
foggy path
and I challenge anyone to choose between Trump and any other republican candidate
zinc matrix
feminists
atheists
are all targeted by these clowns
basically their attitudes have meant they will fail to neglect these groups of people
and let them die
foggy path
you know what's kinda funny
he's like "give me proof"
he's given proof and says it's not real proof
kek
plucky pagoda
they really need to move that message box away from the note one
foggy path
like honestly lowest effort troll
zinc matrix
ideally we shouldn't have to depend on government to protect us but because murdering anyone is illegal (except for the rich who get away with exploiting the poor in shit working conditions), we have to depend on the government to protect us or just be locked up
foggy path
try harder lol
I have actual republican friends who can manage a more intelligent conversation about US political issues
light spruce
ha.. Trump: We don't need trans people in the military. The actual goddamned military: Really not a problem, bro
zinc matrix
plucky pagoda
Why are we confining ourselves to articles as proof? I think we should consider also including graffiti on rail cars.
light spruce
I don't know.. I take some pretty serious stock in a boxcar that says "BUTTHOLES" on the side
foggy path
yeah I'm sure you won't find some excuse to say it's not a real proof
this guy or Trump?
lol
fathom wadi
it seems to me like this is one of those "Click for profits" discussions. Think of all the sponsors who get paid from any of the links you just posted. Cui bono. And Cher.
zinc matrix
inspired local politicians here in the UK to try and privatize the NHS
i need the NHS for free or else i become more dangerous IRL
foggy path
you still think we're having a conversation with you about this? lol
light spruce
... what the fuck does "cui" mean?
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix I'd be dead without the NHS. Fortunately it's not free. We pay for it in taxes.
rigid shoal
Taxes in the UK are pretty high, just saying.
fathom wadi
I left ages ago @foggy widget but it seems you kept it rolling. Fair play.
zinc matrix
as someone who can't pay for taxes at the moment it's currently free for me
fathom wadi
you still pay taxes because your national insurance is covered.
zinc matrix
i would as soon as my income bracket reaches that point
foggy path
it wasn't even a very good troll Β―_(γ)_/Β―
zinc matrix
i'm practically a NEET at this point in part due to COVID-19
foggy path
too obvious
sage tendon
Taxes in the UK are pretty high, just saying.
@rigid shoal
lauphs in dutch tears
foggy widget
happy friday!
fathom wadi
no not really. mostly we have intelligent discussi........ hahahai couldnt finish that
π
foggy widget
NEVER!
rigid shoal
EAEAEAEAEEAEAEA
carmine frigate
property tax in UK is pretty low
light spruce
Man... as much as I tend to not be for pulling mods into shit.... I'm definitely tempted on that front
foggy widget
BIG SHOUTOUT TO @hollow zephyr
rigid shoal
not cool
foggy widget
cancel culture
sage tendon
Floss = Karol?
foggy path
time to get started o nthe personal attacks next?
zinc matrix
so how do you all think we ought to be more "rational"?
carmine frigate
he is not a mod π
plucky pagoda
Again?
bronze axle
If you want proof of something, look for evidence. Articles are only as good as their sources, and media is only as good as the context it provides.
foggy widget
its friday
zinc matrix
cancel culture
@foggy widget try complaining about a pedophile getting canceled with that. prince of wales and epstein are cancelled because they deserve it
zinc matrix
the people who are being canceled are already in power
and the people trying to cancel them have nothing and will be treated like nothing
fathom wadi
theres a king baby?
carmine frigate
u can ping me into random clusterfucks all u like tho, i dont mind
foggy path
fathom wadi
some call it cancel culture. I call it effectively getting people to stfu. :p
zinc matrix
well those who are being cancelled hold problematic attitudes and those who want to cancel them are being treated like shit because the celebs are inspiring others to treat those affected like shit
fathom wadi
yeah thats the joke
zinc matrix
well they should
foggy path
tbh I rarely see anyone called a nazi without deserving it at least to some degree :p
fathom wadi
sometimes discussions have a terminal point. Most of them do in fact, perhaps eternal questions like "where do the other socks go?" but you have to be wise enough to spot when that is. Otherwise you end up looking the fool. People are strange and diverse tho. We all have issues that nobody knows about.
zinc matrix
if they can be proved they are a nazi consistently and they don't apologize for their repressive views they have to be cancelled. i want to see erdogan cancelled for putting atheists' lives at risk for instance
light spruce
and yet, irrespective of him being a nazi, I think several of us would be better off if he shut up
zinc matrix
i am not of an islamic background but i do not want anti-atheist sentiment to be further legitimized
sage tendon
whats this dicussion about?
carmine frigate
its pretty random
foggy path
it's a discussion about nothing
carmine frigate
u can trow anything in here
zinc matrix
just because someone calls something oppressive or repressive or whatever doesn't make it a fact.
@foggy widget oh so you want all turks to be forced to observe islam?
foggy path
I don't even remember which one that is, was just reminded of it being a "show about nothing" lol
light spruce
It's either a bunch of ignorant raving by someone or abject trolling.. I'm not sure which.
plucky pagoda
A bit of both.
carmine frigate
seinfeld is like crazy rich
bronze axle
Guys, I see a lot of straw men and bad faith assumptions here. You're talking past each other.
sage tendon
that were a lot of words to say simply nothing
rigid shoal
Elon Musk is one rich boi now.
zinc matrix
i'm gonna take a break from this server too. i've had enough of people supporting repressive ideas
carmine frigate
i seen his house on some program, it was crazy
id trade my house for his toilet
put my pc there and bam
fathom wadi
I'm calling him "Rogue Nasa" from now on.
rigid shoal
I got a Purple pillow recently. It's actually pretty fucking cool.
fathom wadi
did you see the article I posted about the new brain infusion substance for Neurosity and such devices?
carmine frigate
u can marry ur pillow if u like it that much π
and you wouldnt be the first to do it
fathom wadi
that is some real stuff right there.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30978001/ here is a paper from last year. But yeah. They had a breakthrough
plucky pagoda
The Friday streams have been great too.
light spruce
I don't watch streams of any kind. Should I?
rigid shoal
Brian-implant tech scary. π¦
light spruce
DON'T IMPLANT BRIAN
carmine frigate
often the docs are better π
light spruce
YOU CAN'T TRUST BRIAN INSIDE YOU
plucky pagoda
There's been some in depth streams from a few people on Fridays. Dan Reynolds has some stuff on audio that I've found really good too.
rigid shoal
I take it back. I love brain-implant tech.
I'm just kind of afraid of people becoming robots... reading minds, etc.
light spruce
streams feel like a time commitment
plucky pagoda
I rarely watch them live anymore.
rigid shoal
I kind of wish they just wrote articles/tutorials instead of Livestreams.
Livestreams are too slow. They could be edited down.
carmine frigate
i think unreal learning has a load of new updated stuff
plucky pagoda
Not much, but have a digital piano I hook up to one sometimes
carmine frigate
yea i listen to music on my pc sometimes
light spruce
Not anymore. Can't write. Brain damage.
uncut otter
I'm looking for some software that might be cheap or free that uses a usb midi kb.. I kinda wanna teach my nephew how to play junk like happy bday and shit
carmine frigate
plucky pagoda
There's some good ipad apps that can work with one.
rigid shoal
You can ask Mao. He does what you're talking about.
uncut otter
nice thanks for the info i'll check it out
plucky pagoda
I think the one I have upstairs connects to the Ipad with usb.
There's an app that tells you what keys to press and then moves the sheet music along with it.
plucky pagoda
Any cheap prebuilt PCs? I need something for my 4 year old to use for some of her school stuff. Not sure if building one is worth it if I can find a cheap ready to go one.
rigid shoal
What about those mini-PCs?
plucky pagoda
Thinking around $600, but maybe more
carmine frigate
dont 4 year olds just chew on the keyboard?
light spruce
what does it even need to do? I spent like.. just over 200 on a chromebook that I put linux on
solid aurora
Marvel: Avengers
I expected it to be crap
and I'm still disapointed
how low can you fall ?
plucky pagoda
No, she can use a computer and I have apps that help her with numbers and reading.
plucky pagoda
Just run educational apps, and play games. Thinking a ryzen 5 or 7
placid thistle
solid aurora
that "new" avenger
is literraly the worst part of it
who the fuck what to play it ?
why I can't play Iron Man from start in god damn Avengers game ?
light spruce
oh. that thing
strange radish
hah just read that article @placid thistle
light spruce
so.. it's still 2020 π¦
plucky pagoda
Ms. Marvel
light spruce
welcome to ponkkis fetish chat
sage tendon
π
rich quiver
light spruce
Sometimes... you want some .... deformation
rigid shoal
The way it's titled makes it sound way more sinister than it is.
Apple says that if Epic were to remove the payment mechanism it introduced, it would allow Fortnite to return to the App Store, and would not disable Epic's developer account.
I wonder what Epic intends to accomplish with this lawsuit.
light spruce
yum. old guitar strings. now my fingers smell like pennies
Blunts. Just smoking the biggest blunts
rigid shoal
dont do drugs
tulip orbit
dont do drugs, smoke them
light spruce
You don't
tulip orbit
figure it out π
light spruce
you vape it
rigid shoal
Vaping is not smoking.
plucky pagoda
rigid shoal
450W is kinda low.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, maybe. I just threw stuff together pretty quick.
rigid shoal
No CPU cooler either?
plucky pagoda
Stock works fine with 2700x
light spruce
kinda depends on the rest of the build which I haven't looked at
rich quiver
Twitter
light spruce
that's the round AMD one, yeah?
rich quiver
plucky pagoda
Yeah round with LED ring
light spruce
it's an okay cooler, as I recall
rich quiver
a lot of twits again calling tim hypocrite for this
plucky pagoda
I've had no issues with it
light spruce
Not what I'd run on one, but different use case and all
thorny dock
you can actually inhale the vapor from a fresh cracked beer, it was something that doctors needed to make public statements for people to stop
turns out you can absorb alcohol through the lungs, but it's extremely toxic
rigid shoal
You can vaporize a beer by pressurizing it with a tire pump.
It's not that bad. It's only bad if you get too much alcohol in you, in which you cannot expel it as you normally would.
light spruce
True story: whenever I pop the cap off a beer bottle, I always blow that co2 out of the top
whether I'm going to drink it out of the bottle or pour it
thorny dock
thats honestly a good idea, if your a frequent drinker of packaged beer, who knows how much vapor you inhale accidently as you take that first sip, I'm sure that adds up
light spruce
no prices available for that 2700X
plucky pagoda
222
light spruce
feels kinda overkill for just a kiddo comp
rigid shoal
You could probably get a used 2700X for cheap.
plucky pagoda
I'd likely give it to my 8yr and give her current one to the 4yr
I use it on my main desktop and it runs fine with Unity, UE, Photoshop, Blender and others all open. Compile times are fast enough. It's a sweet spot between price and power.
light spruce
1700x for me
plucky pagoda
Definitely.
light spruce
I have a bunch of scrap parts
a 1700 and a board and a PSU... but I don't know if the board and/or the PSU is bad
it's like how I have a pile of random parts for an i5 4 something .. that if I knew what did and didn't work, I could upgrade one of my VM hosts that's still running a 2500
the only problem with it is being an itx board that has only two RAM slots... so it's running a whole 8 gigs in it. So the only VM guest I have running on it at this point is my router
And I've got four 4GB DDR3 sticks in a drawer where I know where they are. I'm sure I've got at least another 8 somewhere
lucid walrus
anyone know why Epic sued in the US and not the EU, btw? isn't EU more anti-trust aggro?
I guess the MS case Epic leans on was a US case, though...
uncut otter
So whats epic gonna do when someone release a F2P unreal 4 games with cosmetics and try to not pay epic royalties? π due to some.... i dunno creative language
or you have a free MP game, and the online MM is a 3rd party service users can opt to pay for outside of the game to be able to find matches
lucid walrus
if Unreal would get an effective 3D engine business monopoly, then I guess someone would also sue, yes...
mossy nexus
Cosmetics are not part of the revenue share I believe.
uncut otter
thats where staem comes in and takes your money
π
but i got no bones to pick, i can't make my own platform or want to so whatevs
just curious about the question
how far can you get away with things with just words right?
rich quiver
apple can use the EGS on there counter claim in the lawsuit
you sue use for a wall garden why you have a wall garden
basically
so expect not getting the Ios and MacOs License for the developer since this likely will take years to end
light spruce
you can get pretty far with annoying the shit out of people with just words.. that much I know
zinc matrix
is things apple vs epic in court already solved?
bronze axle
No.
median wraith
Twitter is on fire
light spruce
well, yeah, it's a dumpster. Of course it's on fire
hasty cargo
it doesn't really change the antitrust side of it
apple and google have created monopolies with their devices / os
you have to pay the toll troll
zinc matrix
Lets talk about good feelings ok?
Its fun when it happens. Ok enough of that thanks and proceed ->
median wraith
how are you doing ? @hasty cargo see you over the lands but never talk at all
plucky pagoda
I'm already tired of hearing about it and completely disinterested until there is some sort of court ruling or other substantial change.
light spruce
What, you don't like the constant circle jerkery and twitter copypasta?
desert copper
hey yall
my wife just found this https://thangs.com/search
maybe you already know, maybe you don't but can be great if you just want to prototype your game or whitebox etc π
zinc matrix
wow thats a neat little place!
desert copper
yes
I think it's fairly new
but yea its the google of 3d assets by the looks of it
I'm not ashamed to admit the first thing I downloaded was starship voyager xD
i regret nothing
literally been watching this entire series on netflix through this pandemic
zinc matrix
so you only read the subtitles?
desert copper
haha well now that you mention it
zinc matrix
xD sorry just had to say it
desert copper
my wife is spanish so we always have subtitles
plucky pagoda
Not as bad as the guy who was promoting his steam game by replying to his own posts and saying how cool it looked.
hasty cargo
@median wraith hey man, yeah been a while doing well have not posted for a while π
plucky pagoda
Yeah, sorry wasn't trying to imply that.
desert copper
haha no worries
but like i might think like I need a lamp for this room
then go into blender and come back 2 hiours later with a lamp
with this I think I can maybe cheat
zinc matrix
whats wrong with self promotion :/(?
desert copper
at least just for whiteboxing
zinc matrix
I rather have selfpromotion than promotion by proxy π
plucky pagoda
Just be careful about licensing even with modifying a model. Probably fine if they look different but something to be aware of.
light spruce
desert copper
yes I'm very careful with that
I mean I've got a a LOOONG way to go learning this engine before I'll be ready to release a game
but I will use all my own assest in the end
actually the game I want to make will have very simple graphics
zinc matrix
Could someone make a model of cube and put a strict license and then ... u know.. π
desert copper
omg haha
zinc matrix
sue everyone
plucky pagoda
too bad the whole sites behind a login wall, no way to really see what it's about without signing up first
desert copper
i see you're using the default cube there...
zinc matrix
no login needed?
light spruce
Mike only uses sphere cubes
desert copper
no login
zinc matrix
yep
zinc matrix
or mike is referencing some other site...
light spruce
(No. I won't forget it. It's a curse)
plucky pagoda
I click on anything and I get a login prompt
plucky pagoda
Maybe it's using a cookie or universal sign in or someone already signed in on yours?
zinc matrix
I think we have better internet
plucky pagoda
π
zinc matrix
desert copper
the search bar at the top of the screen
ignore the sign in, just type there i think
zinc matrix
what you think of a game situated in a disabled peoples care home?
and making heavy fun of them?
plucky pagoda
yeah, no
desert copper
i think that no topic is off limits when it comes to comedy
zinc matrix
yeah me too
desert copper
but you gotta make sure the jokes are on point
if they come off as tasteless
it will make / break it
zinc matrix
I think its a good time for it
the world has gone so PC
and freaking southpark can do it so why not.
remember when cartman went to do the disabled people paralympics or whatever
desert copper
stuff like this is great
zinc matrix
::::::::::::::::D
desert copper
southpark also plays all sides of the field
like they'll have cartmen taking advantage of people
but then kyle going behind him saying that its wrong
i dunno it can definitely be done
not everyone is PC but..
yea twitter is a...
zinc matrix
from russia with love
desert copper
xD
zinc matrix
I want to make sure that the message in the end is that everyone is a human being and the cards dealt to people when born are not the same
but jesus christ everybody likes humor π
plucky pagoda
I think that website works for this, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3768842
thorny dock
come on, a dickosaurus artist needs to make a living somehow...
light spruce
if I had my tablet plugged in and I gave a shit, I'd draw a bin chicken on fire as a twitter logo
zinc matrix
:DD ahhaha
light spruce
a site where you get lit on grog, fuck a barrel, and get murdered by a giant squid
(I want 5% when someone turns that into a video game)
zinc matrix
i didnt know this is a thing
are these kinds of stuff for those people who play the porn games?
light spruce
people do some ... interesting things
thorny dock
when you refer to "porn games" I think of the GTA san andreas "hot coffee" scandal. Whatever is happening with dickosaurs and dicky turtles, I can happily live the rest of my life not knowing what those will be used for
especially if someone is able to make a living off of it
zinc matrix
i have no problem with anything that dont hurt people
thorny dock
it will hurt me, it will hurt me a lot
zinc matrix
===D u dirty old dog
thorny dock
zinc matrix
aint that cute
thorny dock
+on cults3d
light spruce
Yeah... I'm really not comfortable describing myself with rabbit terminology
Unrelated: I'm watching a jackfrags video on Hyperscape and I'm pretty sure I would hate this game
zinc matrix
speaking of games i hate...
I bought this unnamed dark souls copy from epic for 30euro...
light spruce
it literally doesn't have a name?
zinc matrix
And they have the audacity to say the game is finished and normally released...
I dont want to mention it
light spruce
just <product string>?
zinc matrix
the fanboys might wake up and come defend
light spruce
Iron Pineapple plays all the souls-like games that you've never heard of
zinc matrix
ye saw them
light spruce
and that's how I wound up with Unworthy, and my god am I awful at it
zinc matrix
thats a neat game
light spruce
just feels too weird for me
zinc matrix
thats a sign of good stuff
light spruce
the only skyrim video anyone needs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bifmj1O3D24
zinc matrix
just if the guards would start dancing..
light spruce
YEE-AH
the fucking delay is what does it for me
"If jack struggled winning I might as well just throw my pc out the window" Yeah, that game definitely seems to be for some kind of bio-engineered people
cold jay
The worst bugs are the ones that only show up in packaged builds :/
Takes forever to repack, re-run, change something, etc
zinc matrix
e
zinc matrix
You doing good @zinc matrix. That's the spirit. Couple more years and you will speak whole sentences.
But for now lets focus on something simpler. Try to say Mama, Papa... Guys...
light spruce
@plucky pagoda Solution to computer problems: You just need a Monorail from 1996
light spruce
AGP is one of those things I routinely forget that existed
bronze axle
Important new context for the Epic v Apple case. https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21396313/apple-fortnite-lawsuit-emails-app-store-ban-epic
zinc matrix
Rip last email
rich quiver
all this emails will be use in the counter claim
and every tweet from tim sweeney
someone will eventually tell him to stop tweeting from epic or his lawyer
https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/ie911w/the_fazbear_fanverse_initiative/ some FNAF fan games will become official games
rigid shoal
some FNAF fan games will become official games
That's really interesting. Has any other studio/dev done something like that before?
sage ermine
So... there's no blur/smooth in vertex painting?
rich quiver
@rigid shoal Capcom
plucky pagoda
@bronze axle I can't see how apple didn't jump at the opportunity "Please confirm within two weeks if Apple agrees in principle to allow Epic to provide a competing appstore and competing payment processing"
It's weird that he would type Android , when he meant IOS in something of such importance as well.
bronze axle
Yeah. It looks like a copy-paste, honestly.
plucky pagoda
It doesn't inspire confidence.
plucky pagoda
yeah
"If Apple chooses instead to take punitive action by blocking consumer access toFortnite or forthcoming updates, then Epic will, regrettably, be in conflict withApple on a multitude of fronts - creative, technical, business, and legal - for solong as it takes to bring about change, if necessary for many years."
bronze axle
No it doesnβt. The emails are not a good look at this point. π
plucky pagoda
That's going to send most IOS devs running from UE.
bronze axle
If Unreal devs lose access to the platform because of this, theyβre going to feel like Epic gambled with their businesses.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, it makes it seem risky to work with UE.
I'm a little shocked at the emails. I have always had an impression of him that those do not match.
plucky pagoda
Only if you consider opening "A competing Epic Games Store app available through the iOS App Store and through direct installation that has equal access to underlying operating system features for software installation and update as the iOS App Store itself has, including the ability to install and update software as seamlessly as the iOS App Store experience." as special treatment.
bronze axle
Yeah. Itβs hard to read those emails as βWe want you to be more open to all developers.β
plucky pagoda
I don't want to say how bad I think it looks. I really am more than a bit shocked.
bronze axle
Yeah. Iβm surprised by this.
The email that really got me was the one where they explicitly told Apple they were going to break the rules because they didnβt get what they wanted.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I don't know what to think of that one. Any rational person would know they would do exactly what they did in response to it.
bronze axle
Obviously Epic planned on it, given the #FreeFortnite campaign.
bronze axle
Itβs not impossible that Epic made that video quickly, but I doubt it.
plucky pagoda
I mean they announced the video only a few minutes after they were kicked from the store.
bronze axle
Yeah. And knowing the pipeline they have in place, Iβm guessing it was a weeks-long project.
plucky pagoda
If you want to write off mobile this is certainly one way to do it.
I just don't see it. I mean it could be a deep seated belief in the action and that it's the right thing to do, but the end result is still likely to be UE is no longer on IOS for the foreseeable future.
bronze axle
Did you see the WordPress thing today? Not a good look for Apple but the timing seems awfully convenient.
plucky pagoda
Just the headline in a retweet of Sweeney's.
plucky pagoda
I'm a little confused on the details of that. I get the gist of it though.
bronze axle
If the story is true, they could have a coercion case on their hands.
Iβm off to play DDR and darts.
Not at the same time, of course. π
plucky pagoda
have a good night. Going to work on some character sketches
solid aurora
@plucky pagoda How it is risky to work with UE ?
becuase.. apple retaliated on by banning it ?
that's beyond ridiculous
they was running nucelar option
plucky pagoda
It represents instability. Business relies on stability.
solid aurora
don't believe that
I mean they knew it might happen and they calculated it is wortj a risk
since apple is probabaly marginal profit for them
plucky pagoda
It's not ridiculous. Your comment reveals a lack of understanding of the situation. Epic demanded that Apple give them their own App store.
plucky pagoda
No, that's not what they asked for.
solid aurora
it doesn't matter
plucky pagoda
I have no interest in this conversation.
solid aurora
the end result would be the same
thorny dock
you should really read the emails, my entire perspective was flipped, and then you too won't have the energy to try and bring people who didn't bother to understand the situation up to speed
light spruce
it's almost like I knew what the hell I was talking about when people gave me shit about it
thin storm
but leaking/publishing private emails wont make you look trustworthy. like never.
bronze axle
They werenβt leaked. They were submitted as evidence.
wet smelt
It's not ridiculous. Your comment reveals a lack of understanding of the situation. Epic demanded that Apple give them their own App store.
@plucky pagoda nah epic demanded that they allow them to funnel money from in app purchases straight through epic
thereby not allowing apple a cut of the profits
which is a breach of TOS
google also has done the same
thin storm
okay yeah I have no idea about the us-legal system, I should keep my mouth shut. lol
plucky pagoda
@wet smelt ummm he literally said that they needed to give Epic "A competing Epic Games Store app available through the iOS App Store and through direct installation that has equal access to underlying operating system features for software installation and update as the iOS App Store itself has, including the ability to install and update software as seamlessly as the iOS App Store experience." and that they had two weeks to agree to do so. That is exactly a demand for an Epic app store.
Beyond that it's a direct undermining of the very thing that gives iOS its value. There is no way Apple could have said yes to that.
lucid walrus
when Epic loses, I wonder how many years it will take for them to get their developer licenses back... Steve Jobs had a very long memory (and Nvidia still isn't back even though he's dead)... now sure how Tim is...
foggy path
I doubt he's as petty as Steve lol
plucky pagoda
I don't.
foggy path
considering they already said that Epic could come back if they drop the suit
wet smelt
@wet smelt ummm he literally said that they needed to give Epic "A competing Epic Games Store app available through the iOS App Store and through direct installation that has equal access to underlying operating system features for software installation and update as the iOS App Store itself has, including the ability to install and update software as seamlessly as the iOS App Store experience." and that they had two weeks to agree to do so. That is exactly a demand for an Epic app store.
@plucky pagoda ahhh
didnt see that part
but i hope epic loses
the lawsuit is fr dumb
and p flimsy
foggy path
and even if it was flimsy how is it dumb? :P
it seems pretty nuts for apple to get 30% of everything basically for doing very little
(and all the other things they can do)
foggy path
and that's why google is also sued :P
foggy path
they sued google too...
foggy path
because google is not as hot as apple
foggy path
if you have an android phone, it's not a "google phone"
it's OnePlus, HTC, Samsung, Sony, whatever
wet smelt
if you search something, you "google" it
dont know anything about music theory? google
foggy path
yeah but you don't associate google the search with android the operating system
foggy path
it's not about techies who know about it
wet smelt
funny you should say that
foggy path
it's about your average fortnite consumer :P
the average fortnite consumer doesn't know anything in comparison to you and me
foggy path
you can never take these marketing campaigns at face value, if you actually want to understand what's happening you have to consider it on a deeper level.
wet smelt
epic games is rallying its stans to shit on apple and google lmfao
epic games also takes a p shitty percentage out of games on EGS
yet ppl dont bat an eye
foggy path
EGS takes 12%
wet smelt
no one gave a shit about apple's 30% till epic games decided to sue apple with the dumbest lawsuit of the year
foggy path
which is significantly less
wet smelt
like shouldnt steam also be sued for taking 30%?
which is why this whole argument is dumb hot shit, and no one will win
foggy path
right, so if apple and google are forced to reduce the %, it counts as "no one winning"
foggy path
the lawsuit isn't about the 30% fee
wet smelt
cant imagine suing someone for taking action against a breach of TOS
foggy path
but you would know if you actually bothered to look into it instead of meming on discord about it
wet smelt
cant imagine suing someone for taking action against a breach of TOS
which is why epic games is acting like bluehole did back in 2018
making dumb lawsuits
if u breach a company's TOS, idc what u did, ur getting the boot
what epic did puts them in the wrong side of things
im guessing epic games is funneling their own in app purchases right under apple's system because of "capitalism"
well
mhmm
exclusives, cough cough
yea sure most companies sign exvlusives
and its bad 'capitalist' practice
but they dont call someone out for doing "capitalistic" practices
unlike Epic Games here
"defying apple's monopoly" my ass
what if the companies you signed exclusivity contracts with decided to defy the epic monopoly?
and just like that
he folded
lmfao
cant really fight against solid points eh
wet smelt
but you would know if you actually bothered to look into it instead of meming on discord about it :zomgmoFace:
@foggy path i would like to return this sentence to you
Why you left gdl
@zinc matrix nah i got banned for pinging a mod too many times; someone was trolling
and the mod didnt give a single shit
foggy path
oh darn are you getting bored because you're highlighting me for no reason now? :p
zinc matrix
taggable did you make game
zinc matrix
oh ok
wet smelt
although i invest a lil bit of time into it
foggy path
maybe if you spent less time meming on discord you would have time
zinc matrix
less time discussing Germany
wet smelt
maybe if u spend less time trying to debunk points then maybe you could actually research on what im talking about
sigh
foggy path
lol good try
zinc matrix
so what wil happen to epic now?
foggy path
5/7 for effort
foggy path
@zinc matrix probably nothing tbh
wet smelt
so what wil happen to epic now?
@zinc matrix depends; if the judge is dogshit and forrest gump dumb then maybe epic will get away with it, if not, then epic would be forced to mend its ties with google and apple
wet smelt
wet smelt
dead chat
zinc matrix
cope
solid aurora
imagine
solid aurora
microsoft say
zinc matrix
what a mess
solid aurora
you can't have other stores on windows than microsoft store
and they do it
guess what happens ?
and if internet was as it is now when Bill was still CEO
they would go all in for it
@wet smelt following you logic Microsoft should take away all windows from market, put it';s own store on it, and then ban every software which is not from their store
including other stores
that would lead to instant anti trust lawsuit
(and they have been sude for similiar shit in the past)
wet smelt
thats
what im pointing to
but
why would u break the TOS of a storefront
just to save 30%
dumb innit
solid aurora
because in civilized countries
some ToS cannot override logic and law of country
Apple have effective monopoly
on utility software
just like windows is not just Microsoft operating system anymore
it's utility
which is not for law suits
could hold hostage PC market to their whim
*if not for law suits
yes there are alternatives.. linux bla bla, but it doesn't change anything in reality
solid aurora
if microsoft had 30% cut on every software sold on windows
and would ban all other stores
solid aurora
they would effecitly control PC market top bottom
zinc matrix
taggable when losing argument "im wacked rn"
taggable when winning argument "lmao cant believe u r pussying out from taht"
carmine frigate
30% is a lot when multiple parties start taking it π
wet smelt
yes actually
solid aurora
no
wet smelt
cuz
solid aurora
NO
solid aurora
nobody goes from windows to mac
wet smelt
at the same time
solid aurora
becuase
wet smelt
quite far
solid aurora
software
wet smelt
fair enough
solid aurora
and nobody is going from one walled garden to the other
the point
the only reason
carmine frigate
if epic would ask 30% for the engine, u pay epic 30%, steam 30% and taxes 30% π