mad sax man
#lounge
pearl elk
silk monolith
anyone else dealing with forearm pain from overwork & have some suggestions?
tulip orbit
masturbate less?
pearl elk
standing push ups
tulip orbit
I got carpal tunnel in my mouse arm from a trackball mouse. Now I've modified my desk so that the mouse and my whole forearm is supported on a flat surface. No more carpal tunnel.
also a non trackball mouse
foggy path
yeah I had a mouse where I had to use my fingers to sometimes grip it kind of hard from the sides, that seemed to cause that sorta problems for me as well
more ergonomic shaped mice like the G502 and such are better for me in that regard
pearl elk
I find most of the issues are solved by actually using muscles to their capabilities more
foggy path
lies 
tulip orbit
In the last few months of unemployment, I've replaced all my muscles with fat
pearl elk
lol if you think using a mouse is hardcore for your forearm you probably dont have a forearm left ๐
never overwork without exercise breaks and stretching
foggy path
well usually if mice cause it it's not because of having to use the muscles, it's more about using them in kind of unnatural ways
babbys first substance
pearl elk
thats why using them natural is a perfect solution
I have a dodgy knee that really only plays up when I dont use it
foggy path
that's supposed to be pixelated low res but I'm getting pretty terrible aliasing from it without texture filtering ๐คฆ
silk monolith
Ya Iโve been fine my whole life but now at nearly 30, and 5+ years of 60hrs a week on a comp.. my forearms are constantly tight and in varying degrees of pain
ebon onyx
Fix your bad posture
foggy path
I'm 32 and I never really had any issues tbh and my posture is terrible lol
silk monolith
Been doing stretches, standing desk, trying to work on posture, got a vertical mouse, and I work out regularly.
foggy path
I mean I don't constantly hunch or anything but I don't exactly sit in a good posture either, I just change between different weird postures lol
ebon onyx
Make sure your arm/wrist isn't below mouse level, sit up straight, etc.
pearl elk
no amount of good posture can help, sitting is not a natural position which is why standing desks became a fad. 60hrs a week is a hell of a long time to be infront of a computer especially if youre not taking enough breaks
foggy path
I attribute my lack of back pain to my poor posture
because if you sit in the same posture all the time yeah that'll cause problems :p
silk monolith
Ya I mean overwork is the biggest issue, but now even things like texting or drawing bothers my arms in any position -_-
foggy path
best to see a doc or physical therapist or something like this, they should be able to give you the right guidance
pearl elk
yeah physios are great, mine helped me heaps
silk monolith
Yaa makes sense. Probably the best bet
pearl elk
just be sure to tell em its wankers cramp ๐
zinc matrix
i see just fire?
zinc matrix
so your loading screen burns snowfrom trees
and takes more computations than loading the game itself
topkek
am camping noobs on spawn in my own game
jfl
real palm
force grant them an object that propels them towards you
can't run if the game pulls you in
zinc matrix
Does anybody know a good place to start on the community wiki? There's just so many places to go
Oh wait there's a wiki discord, oops my bad
Idk man
lucid apex
Anyone got a good budget laptop recommendation? I tried out an Acer but I returned it cuz the keyboard was broken on arrival.....
Might just get another ASUS idk
thorny dock
is there any indication anywhere how long it took/what methods epic used for their lidar point scan example they keep showing on youtube?
rain tree
north torrent
KFC now has a chicken Big Mac.
undone wharf
tender lily
you know, im browsing ebuyer right now and they have finance available on a geforce rtx 2080 super at like ยฃ18 a month. im wondering why they havent taken that a step further, and offered a system where you can lease your gaming hardware like the same way people lease cars on PCH/PCP.
So, someone would pay say ยฃ20 a month to get the latest greatest top of the range graphics card, pay for a year or two, and at the end of the lease they could pay off the difference and keep it, or send it back, agree to another 2 years, and so long as the card they used isnt damaged they get the next latest and greatest, etc etc... i bet a lot of people who need the latest and greatest e.g. streamers and competitive gamers would do something like that.
Then, all the old cards that were 1-2 years old they could sell on the used market for a tidy profit, they wouldnt be worth anywhere near their brand new price, but still worth it. Those slightly older cards still go like hotcakes on amazon and ebay.
the graphics card companies would win both ways, in the interest charged on the 'rental' of the hardware, and also the resale of returned older cards
undone wharf
thats a nice idea @tender lily
tender lily
tbh, i'd use a deal like that, i never have the money for a top of the range card
foggy path
yeah that's a good question
large amounts of computers used in business are already leased
tender lily
theres a lot of up front risk to the manufacturer though or whoever offers it
if someone doesnt pay, they have to send bailiffs around to reposess what... graphics cards?
yeah generally high end servers are leased on the same kind of conditions
with support contracts rolled in too
foggy path
Laptops and such as well
tender lily
yeah, its how we do ours in the office
undone wharf
tender lily
meh, just call your variables var1, var2 etc
i mean whats the worst that can happen
north torrent
Looks like I have no work to do until August...
I should probably organize and clean everything, especially my computer files and my brain.
tender lily
the opposite is true for me, ive not managed to stop, take a deep breath and do some gamedev since march
work has gone mental
north torrent
My job was crazy the month of June because it was our first month back in real school and last month back in real school at the same time.
So I was doing all the corona-virus measures while setting up my new classes while at the same time writing report cards and grading final tests.
But school ended already, so I am free until August when school starts again, probably around the 20th.
fluid bloom
@tender lily does the financing option have any interest or is it basically just a flat monthly payment?
tender lily
the one that i saw on ebuyer? yeah 14.5%
but as for the idea i had, i guess the company would charge interest at a reasonable amount to make a profit and cover damages to stock
im not really a finance/accounts person so have no idea what that reasonable amount would be ๐
i wonder if they'd also have to have modified firmwares that prevent overclocking, to stop people breaking the cards that theyre technically loaning
im not the first person to ask this
north torrent
What if everyone was rich and we didn't have to worry about it?
tender lily
....lol
what crazy idea is this, you communist ๐ ๐ ๐
but if everyone was rich, would there be such a thing as rich?
or would we be in a post scarcity society
north torrent
I think creating a false scarcity is the more crazy sociopathic thing.
But you are correct, the only reason we have scarcity is because the people at the top wouldn't feel good about themselves if they weren't beating out people at the bottom. If there weren't loosers who were suffering, they wouldn't feel much like winners.
tender lily
hah, you know, right now im watching a playthrough of the outer worlds
its scary that i could imagine this being the future if we left corporations like tesla to colonise space with no oversight
the road to hell is always paved with good intention
its funny how the whole message in that game is that of the privileged few at the top beating down the masses below
tulip orbit
the real problem with the whole thing, is that I'm not one of the rich people at the top.
uncut otter
who wants to join me on an agenda to get the current generation be known as the baby shark gen
i want to stop a kid and say " shut up baby shark "
go home baby shark
๐
hazy delta
yeah bullying small children always gets you the popularity vote
uncut otter
hmph!
pearl elk
lol bullying small children cuz youre not smart enough to dominate them intellectually ๐
undone wharf
fathom wadi
if only the iphone wasn't made by corporate whores who use child labour. I'd give it a go ๐
tulip orbit
why they have no love for android?
fathom wadi
too variant on the hardware perhaps? I really don't know.
mind you, Google/Alphabet were instigated in that child labour lawsuit too so they can suck a struck rock too for all I care ๐
tulip orbit
gotta keep those kids busy somehow
north torrent
My job is to bully children...
I was actually quarantined across the street from one of the sweat shops that was making iPhones in one of those big court cases. I could look out the window and see all the depressed sweat shop workers returning to work...
That's about like assuming that name brand clothes are more expensive because they use higher quality fabric and stitching.
uncut otter
Kids need a bully
How can you grow up to be a hero if you have no monster to battle with
fathom wadi
@north torrent the lawsuit I saw was specific to cobalt mines in the Congo. Your eyesight must be epic ๐
pearl elk
So wait, Apple is the bully?
fathom wadi
we had BBC micros
uncut otter
apple 2c ๐
north torrent
I was saying 'one of those big court cases' to reference one of the many court cases that was covered by the mainstream media.
fathom wadi
I worked on an Apple Mac once when I worked with disabled people. I thought the "one mouse button" thing was for disabled people. Turns out I was right.
pearl elk
First Apple Macs were overrated tbh
uncut otter
apple 2c is what got me started with programming haha
fathom wadi
@north torrent I was joking. I really should do voice chat sometime with you. Might understand why half of what I say is a joke ๐
uncut otter
10 print "your mom"
20 goto 10
Run
fathom wadi
10 print "your mom"
20 goto 10
Error. Erroneus Run command. Still banging mom.
uncut otter
Syntax Error!
north torrent
I never assume connotation with text.
fathom wadi
basic was a literal procedural language tho. Assumptions were always appropriate
I used to know the language quite well and when I went to college and did some Pascal I was in heaven. Then they switched to Visual Basic and everything went out of the window. It was going from using a blank piece of paper to make art, to being given a colouring book and crayons.
north torrent
I have crayons.
pearl elk
Im so glad Trump is sendin all yo asses back to school ๐
fathom wadi
I don't like that guy. He keeps putting up the same tweet every day. "This tweet is unavailable". Im getting bored of it. Might unfollow.
north torrent
I have never lived in the US under the tRump regime. I've visited but never stayed long.
I don't see how that is funny honestly.
Maybe I am just old and don't understand internet humor...
fathom wadi
really? Its fkin hilarious. I mean... think about it. Kanye, who admittedly trolls everyone, runs for president.
north torrent
After Ugandan Knuckles meme culture has been totally beyond me.
pearl elk
Kayne will win it yeezy
ebon kestrel
Most of what comes out as memes is just paid content
The essence of a meme was always that individual folks changed the original and rebroadcast it, people don't really do that anymore.
pearl elk
and you still failed that ๐
foggy path
Lounge business. Move along.
tulip orbit
lulz. my pancake syrup had a best before of 2013
calm bolt
Yo does anyone know how the fuck King crimson works
tulip orbit
calm bolt
The stand
tulip orbit
by Stephen King?
calm bolt
from JoJo
tulip orbit
the singer?
calm bolt
Yes
calm bolt
haha so random and quirky
tulip orbit
no, just hungry
tulip orbit
Nope, after eating I'm gonna load up Satisfactory
tulip orbit
I'm hungry, not that hungry
calm bolt
Ill eat ur then
tulip orbit
I lost my ass in the war
now you're a different type of ass? ๐
Hope it was an upgrade ๐
median wraith
wtf
pearl elk
Im the phatest type of ass
zinc matrix
my game is on 4th page on google for "stickman mmorpg" EAEAEA
pearl elk
not big enough ๐
foggy path
is stickman mmorpg a search phrase that people actually use? :P
pearl elk
stickman might be confused with...
median wraith
whyyyyy
fluid bloom
Halo 2 ended quite... abruptly
though I liked that it had somewhat less bullshit flood parts ๐
pearl elk
I know which game has the worst ending ๐
foggy path
Rebranded to ENGINE by KOJIMA
pearl elk
They have lots of stakeholders, Disney is in there too but since Epics worth heaps now $250mil is a pretty tiny stake
rich quiver
there alot stakeholders for only unreal engine
calm bolt
as long as epic keep giving me free games im downj
pearl elk
From what I heard Epic is worth about $17bil
foggy path
Are you a time traveler from the dark future of 2021 when the seas have turned black and the remaining humanity fights over japanese fish farmed tuna?
calm bolt
No
pearl elk
I only eat dolphin, none of this tuna crap
tulip orbit
Fukishima Tuna ?
foggy path
I don't even look at prices when I buy food so I have no idea how much any of it costs :P
calm bolt
Thats bad practice
pearl elk
I guess its cuz the prices dont have a pickup shimmer on em ๐
foggy path
I mean I don't spend like crazy either but with food I just buy what I want to buy because I know it's not gonna send me to the poor house :D
pearl elk
gonna stop buying that tuna with gold leaf
lifes too short to waste money on such extravagances
calm bolt
i dont think thats how he works
pearl elk
You should buy a yatch with the money you save or sommit ๐
calm bolt
nobody knows how king crimson works
foggy path
except Dio
calm bolt
Why would Dio
foggy path
Why wouldn't Dio?
pearl elk
Who wouldnt Dio?
fluid bloom
can we all agree that nvidia's geforce experience application needs to die?
at least the need to login to download drivers via it
pearl elk
when was the last time you referred to an Nvidia GPU as a geforce? ๐
For me I think it was a cold winter morning alittle over a decade ago
fluid bloom
it sucks ass
foggy path
Only reason you'd wanna install it I guess is if you wanted to use Shadowplay
fluid bloom
too bad the driver downloads off nvidia.com include the shitty app these days too
foggy path
no other reason imo
fluid bloom
yup
foggy path
you don't have to install it even if the driver installer offers it though
foggy path
afaik the driver is so huge because of DLSS profiles
pearl elk
driver includes every nvidia driver in existence for your selected OS
foggy path
and that
pearl elk
why not a white case
undone wharf
why not a pink case
pearl elk
PS5 doesnt come in pink.... yet
they better do a pink one with fox ears on the top and gooey glitter insides
maybe like a lava lamp the glittery goo can swirl around when it gets hot
rich quiver
will this Sony use more UE since Microsoft have alot of releases with the engine
undone wharf
it depend on sony 1st party studios
rich quiver
and japan studios
pearl elk
It could just be a peace of mind thing, invest in Epic to make sure the console gets the best support it needs in UE5
If you have a stake you can press abit more than just politely asking for Epic to get to it some day ๐
carmine frigate
they prolly made 250mil on ps4 fortnite and thought why not
pearl elk
factory foilale
foggy path
Foxconn the videogame
fluid bloom
I wonder if Tim's "PS 5 is god-like-level hardware engineering jewel" statements had anything to do with coaxing Sony to invest ๐ค
maybe I'm just too cynical ๐
pearl elk
Epic have had a pretty good relationship with Sony going back awhile
fluid bloom
yea I know
thorny dock
Tim never said that about the ps5, he said the ps5 will be "best in it's class" this is why linus tried and failed to chew him out about it online
fluid bloom
I didn't mean it to come out like it was a direct quote, sorry
pearl elk
@median wraith you probably want to be recycling those components rather than destroying them
Least thats what I think of when I hear the word pool
pearl elk
So why is there no code for the use case ๐
pearl elk
No I mean, all you added was a bool to fix an issue with your pool code, Im not sure if the issue was Epics code or yours without seeing the use case
pearl elk
Im not seeing that here, all I see is that its not updating the component when stop simulating is called
median wraith
Then you see wrong xd
pearl elk
The owning actor will hold a reference to any movement components, if youre objects are getting GC'd I think the issue is in your code not Epics
median wraith
There is set a null
pearl elk
UpdateComponent isnt a destroy call
mossy nexus
When I think of the word 'pool' I imagine a beautiful tropical island with lakes and pools of emerald heaven.
median wraith
Well when the parent is called with a null
It set the whole component to nothing
Aka destroy it on call
Now inside a bool for optional purposes
mossy nexus
Naa. Mines better. I'm sticking with lakes n stuff.
pearl elk
I think I'll go with the big chunky charlie too
median wraith
De wat
pearl elk
and I just noticed a mistake with the joint, the ash grows when he passes it over lol
Its like in the Shawshank Redemption the other day, Im sitting there watching it like why is this black dude sitting in the middle of the bus that aint accurate. Then Im like wait hang on, why is he even allowed to mix with the white folk ๐
but its one of the highest rated movies on IMDB so we'll just ignore it for plot sake hehe
exotic compass
Can someone explain to me, what serves the purpose of hating a specific way you are coding your game? I.E, you are using blueprinting to create your game, but some feel that you are being pure lazy and I should learn Proper code by doing C++.
Am I lazy for being a complete newb and feel that visual scripting helps me out a lot more to understand how stuff works, and get less muddled up doing that way than scripting normally in C# or C++?
pearl elk
Programmers are an extremely clicky bunch, do what suits you best and I do mean review your productivity and try to constantly improve, dont just pick something and stick with it just cuz ๐
If you ask what are peoples favourite languages there will not be a consensus, we've had this discussion in this channel. Its like asking artists what is the best DCC tool, there really isnt a silver bullet and there wont ever be. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise has an agenda and their bias will show through, very few people argue these points from a pure objective point of view.
If more did maybe software wouldnt be so shit overall ๐ฅ
exotic compass
Aye, that I understand. I am more focused about getting the work done, you know? I thought, At the end of the day, if either way of doing it, may it be BP or C++, can do what I am telling it to do, what's the problem, right? As long as they serve the purpose and do what I am trying to make, it's all that I am really fussed about. Like, I've been informed that BP is possibly just as limitless as designing a game via C++. I am just picking BP because as I said, visually it helps me, it's slightly less confuddling for my brain [I can be easily confused, and for me if I tried to read scripting language in Lua, or C# my brain just shuts off because it's like trying to read hieroglyphics.] and it helps me build that confidence a little in coding.
Never saw the reason to attack people for using a different method, as long as people learn from the ways they do it and can try out new things. That'll do.
pearl elk
Learning is never a bad thing but you do have to pick your battles, many people I know who like C++ and are good at it use it almost exclusively and its like that with any language or tool. Certainly try to use C++ and get better with it as you may need it but if youre not productive with it just stick with BP until you can use both.
carmine frigate
BPs are great for unreal, if unreal doesnt work out ur learned skill is useless tho
pearl elk
Its like that with unreals C++ API though, Ive never done C++ outside of UE4 cuz its not just useful for me.
carmine frigate
linux will allways work out
exotic compass
Aye, that's fair enough. To be fair Programming isn't my main skill, it's mostly Music and Hard-surface modelling. So Blueprinting is my best suited role in just making my own stuff. So if shit ever hits the fan, yeah of course I'll try and practice a little with new code. But if not, I'll go back to my other fields.
So it's not much of a lost cause, if you get what I mean.
carmine frigate
if not at least ur OS is free ๐
pearl elk
I have written small games in Java, C# and Javascript though.
Yeah if you dont plan on being a full-time programmer dont waste your time, perhaps try to find someone to help your project with C++ who is one.
exotic compass
Aye, I mean chances are I'll probably dabble into C++ if there is a major requirement in a specific thing. But with the current project I am doing, I can create it fully with BP, there's a few things that may need to be adjusted, but otherwise it'll work.
But that's how you learn these days.
carmine frigate
c++ isnt hard, unreal c++ get kinda crazy tho ๐
pearl elk
It depends on the complexity of your projects, C++ programmers have their uses but not every project needs to make heavy use of them.
carmine frigate
cuz its like 100 gigs of it
exotic compass
Well with the RTS project I am doing, from what I've seen and heard by others, i can work it via Blueprinting.
I just have to make sure I optimise stuff properly and make sure that I don't have many Event Ticks, as they can seriously clog stuff up.
carmine frigate
well if ur real good at hard surface u might just wunna make enough $$ with that and pay some1 to BP for u ๐
pearl elk
Or pay a C++ programmer ๐
exotic compass
Nah I am medicore at best with hard Surface.
carmine frigate
there is allways work in hard surf if ur skills are good enough
exotic compass
Like, Real medicor.
Mediocre? However you spell it.
Wa>? NOoo.
Blender.
Modelling wise I'll just use Blender.
carmine frigate
its a start ๐
exotic compass
It's that, or the knockoff Protoss Nexus.
Nah but I am learning with BP, it's helping me keep my unwanted darkness supressed. That and the game doesn't need to be super detailed. Maybe in the final version.
pearl elk
Those models arnt bad at all
exotic compass
Yeah I am trying to get back into it, but Low-poly is where it's at for the time being.
carmine frigate
models are allright, kinda depends on the time spend
but u wil get faster if u do it a lot
exotic compass
Yeah, but I ain't no expert. Just a guy doing a bit of everything for a few years. Trying to improve my music side of things.
carmine frigate
some ppl can just pull high detail models out of nuthing in no time ๐
i do a lil blender, but i dont think im one of those ppl ๐
exotic compass
Aye, though most did it for a decade. I've studied Games Design for 3 years. another year with a mixed result. But I am still at that newb level. And due to personal reasons I haven't touched much of anything from 2016 till 2018. So that's a few years wasted. I only just started to get back into the swing of things earlier this year. And because of the lack stuff I did in those missing years, I've been pushing harder to get shit going now.
zinc matrix
hello
who in here is a professional in knowing about game laws
ok, can u help me out with a tough question about if this is legal or not
tulip orbit
I'm not professional, I know nothing, and am not game laws
zinc matrix
ok so basically, if a game allows you to edit the plugins of the game to where the original game allows you to edit the code and you edit the code to where you increase the cars speed and the map size, is this illegal or not?
like even though you are not using a program to edit these features and your just editing the map plugin code that the game offers you to change, would this still be illegal or not?
pearl elk
Are we talking about a specific game or a game you intend to make?
zinc matrix
a specific game
the new trackmania game
so basically
the game allows u to create code like this
when u click create
this pops up
pearl elk
Why would it be illegal if they offer you tools to edit the script?
zinc matrix
well basically what if it is still doing a hack to the game
like if u make the map bigger or make the car have unlimited speed
median wraith
These are mod tools like shoot mania
These only affect mods
The server host mods you cannot
pearl elk
yeah Id imagine the competitive parts of the game are walled off from modification
zinc matrix
so with this if I edit the car speed or the map size, would this be illegal or not
like with just using this compiler the game offers
zinc matrix
so like for something to be illegal it would have to be something that is outside of what the game offers?
pearl elk
Even then it depends on the license
Maybe try reading the EULA it should cover the mod tools
zinc matrix
does trackmania license say that it is illegal to change the car speed or map size in the new game?
median wraith
How we will know
I mean what's the whole problem?
You won't get it when play
Only the people with same mod same server can
pearl elk
illegal refers mostly to criminal law, even if its against the terms of the license agreement no cops are gonna arrest you and throw you in the slammer lol
zinc matrix
this is a tough legal question
tulip orbit
Do it, if you get arrested, tell 'em Hevedy said it was ok. ๐
pearl elk
Yeah tell em its Hevedys Birthday so you cant be arrested
median wraith
I didn't said that lol
zinc matrix
if a game allows you to edit the code, than does that mean it can still be illegal to change the map size or car speed
median wraith
Read eulas are included
pearl elk
Ubisoft has a forum for the game Im sure
zinc matrix
like I think this is just a grey area of legality
pearl elk
its not, it'll be stated in the EULA, the thing you clicked right past without reading
zinc matrix
I mean even if it is not illegal I could still get sued though
pearl elk
yeah well, consult a lawyer if youre really that worried
technically none of us can give proper legal advice or we could get sued
median wraith
Bet if their system is properly made works as their old games if you change game play mechanics only affects to mods
And the mods can only be executed by the server
So if you change the model or the speed only works if the server have that mod
pearl elk
Nah youre not allowed to, you might get sued ๐
zinc matrix
are u trolling me lol
pearl elk
Im not, you cant use any real cars unless youre prepared for the worst
pearl elk
Cars are copyrighted like guns ๐
zinc matrix
what if u use fake car names
or make it to where there names are like sd90fj or g8fhd
pearl elk
Find a publisher who has so much money car companies won bother sueing
zinc matrix
but if I make a racing game and use car names like f8fs0 or gs0g8 than how can I
still get sued?
pearl elk
But you still cant do a VW or a Ferrari
zinc matrix
I mean I dont think the name really matters though
pearl elk
You can use a Ford Pinto
zinc matrix
like why would it matter
zinc matrix
what if u make the cars look like gocarts
pearl elk
go karts also have manufacturers ๐
zinc matrix
basically like what if u draw the car yourself
pearl elk
VW will still come after you if it sounds anything like their car, they actually copyrighted the audio of their cars lol
zinc matrix
what if u make your own audio sound of the car
pearl elk
Yeah some companies will come after you for anythin
Brrrrrmmmm
skkrrrtttt
Designing your own cars is no worries
You can even base it on other cars as long as its not too accurate
pearl elk
Rockstar has a big publisher backing em, early GTAs cars only mildly resembled their real life counterparts wasnt till GTA 4 did they start using more real names
proven thorn
I think it might be trademark infringement vs copyright infringement in this case.
pearl elk
Many of the car games you see have licensing agreements with the manufacturers, some of those have exclusive deals, its why you didnt see Ferrari in Need For Speed for ages cuz it was secured for Project Gotham
zinc matrix
ok so basically, why do companies sue for others just using the same names or cars?
proven thorn
Because those names are often trademarked.
zinc matrix
why do others dont want for games to use the car names
proven thorn
And with registered trademarks, you have to contest people attempting to use it or you lose it.
pearl elk
Its not just the names and badges, sometimes they will sue for design, you cant mistake certain cars for another. The badges are trademark infringement forsure unless you use a defunct brand but even then someone might hold the rights still
proven thorn
You lose registered trademark usage if the other side can prove that you aren't protecting it.
zinc matrix
but how will companies lose revenue if it is just a racing video game that is using the same car and name.
proven thorn
Registered trademarks cost money to get.
And you may portray their brand in a way they don't like.
zinc matrix
what do u mean by portray
proven thorn
Racing car games sometimes don't portray damage to cars.
Because manufacturers don't want to see their cars in less than perfect conditions.
pearl elk
Its pretty hard to go up against the heavy hitters in the car game biz, Microsoft threw so much money at Forza to get it off the ground
proven thorn
Let's say you make a game about an evil company, and you call it Nintendo. Nintendo isn't going to like that.
zinc matrix
so basically companies can sue because if a car name and design gets popular in a racing game that you smash cars a lot, than they can feel like ur making the brand name look bad?
proven thorn
Trademarks have to be actively contested or they can be lost.
pearl elk
Well Trackmania kinda skips over alot of problems by having custom car designs
zinc matrix
ok so what if I make car names that are random like sdf0 fgm0 and basically the car design doesnt look like any other real life cars?
proven thorn
For example, I own the trademark for Depth in the video game space. If I see another shark game use Depth (only) as their title, I have to contest or risk losing that trademark.
pearl elk
What if its a deep sea fishing game? ๐
proven thorn
That's probably fine, but you might have to fight.
If people might confused their Depth with my Depth then yes.
zinc matrix
what category of a video game that someone decides to make has the least chances of geting sued?
pearl elk
Chess clone
proven thorn
Racing games can work, just make it about racing hover bikes
zinc matrix
so why would chess clone have the least chances of getting sued
proven thorn
Chess is considered public domain.
pearl elk
You could do a marble racing game
proven thorn
Lots of things are public domain, such as music and art work.
Yes. They become public domain.
pearl elk
Love Me Do by the Beatles is public domain
so you could make a game about bad hair cuts and a band breakup over experimental music ๐
You'll be waiting awhile
zinc matrix
what type of car designs is considered public domain?
pearl elk
All of them really but its best not to copy too closely, I mean unless its some sort of historic game
dense storm
pearl elk
I think the main thing is even if you are in the right big companies have the resources to tie you up in court for far longer than you can afford
tulip orbit
wuh? hernias arent fun? this is news to me...
pearl elk
hernias are illegal ๐
zinc matrix
so if I design a car, there will be a risk the car could look like another car that has a manufacture?
pearl elk
Its far less risky than copying an existing car directly
zinc matrix
so if I put a like chess piece or marble with wheels, and make a game like that, would that still be a risk of getting sued or no because marbles and chess are public domains?
pearl elk
Put it this way, there have been actors who have sued companies because a character looked similar to them even though it wasnt intentional. Hence the disclaimer about all characters and likeness being similar to someone in reality is purely coincidence
zinc matrix
so like can i get sued by a chess company or marble company or no because those are public domains?
pearl elk
yup, well no one can copyright a sphere and a material type
but there are companies with copyrights on colours, they typically dont enforce though those ๐
its more to do with the chemical composition than the colour itself
zinc matrix
like even if there are existing games to where there are marbles or chess pieces with wheels, if I do the same thing with different colors than I cant get sued because those are public domains?
or does this depend
pearl elk
It always depends
zinc matrix
like if I do the same thing not with a mean or evil intent to copy that persons game but to create a game that is in that you know category
ok so if I make a racing game to where there is a square with wheels, for sure I guess I cant get sued for that
Ellie looked Ellen Page, that's a fact. It WAS intentional Mons.
pearl elk
๐ฎ
Ellen Page was in that other game though
The one with that dude actor who isnt as good as Troy Baker ๐
zinc matrix
so if I make a game with a square with wheels, and lets just say some other game company that did the same thing wants to sue me, will the process not go through because a square shape is a pure public domain?
pearl elk
If you do it first maybe you can sue them
zinc matrix
it is stupid for anyone to sue someone for accidentally copying someone elses ideas but with a non bad/evil intent.
pearl elk
Willem Dafoe thats the nobody dudes name, jeez he wishes he was as good as an actor as Troy Baker ๐คฃ
zinc matrix
if I found out someone used my ideas I would not get mad and sue them that would be mean/evil because it could be with a accidental intent and not a mean/evil intent.
pearl elk
zinc matrix
even if someone took my ideas, in life we must always do the right thing and not evil.
what if it's a big company that simply uses your ideas to make money and they simply use their position to monetize your ideas and also claim that they invented them?
I do not believe in revenge, basically you can say I am a Christian.
pearl elk
I think itd be cool if someone took my car designs and actually made em
cuz then we'd had flying cars ๐
pearl elk
plucky pagoda
What's a good thing to use for a conference call where I need to share a high quality live view of a desktop?
I thought about discord but I think it's lower quality on screen sharing?
zinc matrix
zoom is good but it's chinese
plucky pagoda
is it secure?
plucky pagoda
I know with servers at least the quality is not great
Thanks Mons, microsoft teams might work
zinc matrix
Last time I tried Zoom > Discord by a long shoot.
plucky pagoda
Looks like you can use OBS with MS Teams which means I can set it to capture specific monitors and apps easily.
zinc matrix
Decade ago TeamViewer was all rage. They are still good but didn't used them lately.
pearl elk
tbh none of em are going to be secure
I know for a fact MS eavesdrops
Theres just too much incentive and not enough ways to police it
plucky pagoda
I'm more worried about NDA or IP leaks for this. Personally privacy might be important but with this its more about CYA
zinc matrix
Webex is similar to Zoom. Made by Cisco https://www.webex.com/
pearl elk
Fair enough, Cisco might be a good option its what our military uses
plucky pagoda
Last time I worked with something from Cisco was on an Air Force Base.
pearl elk
I just wouldnt use Cisco to stream CS:Go "Terrorists have planted the bomb!"... knock knock
zinc matrix
TeamViewer was best for remote control. Even with shitty ping you could work remote comfortably, something that was no possible with other solutions.
plucky pagoda
Something like teams seems more suited to use for creative meetings and collaboration.
pearl elk
the most important thing, does it allow you to draw dongs ๐
zinc matrix
with Tencent behind, of course Zoom ๐
pearl elk
What, no TikTok
zinc matrix
zinc matrix
honest sapphire
plucky pagoda
Yeah, thanks. MS Teams seems to work. I can select app windows or monitors to share right from the app.
pearl elk
Not like me to recommend MS stuff either lol
plucky pagoda
Yeah, not a huge fan either but whatever works.
IMO MS is one of the worst things to happen to operating systems.
Monopiles have their benefits. Innovation isn't one of them.
zinc matrix
if I make a game, the better the gpu and cpu I have will the game look better when it is finished?
I thought the better the gpu the better the graphics of the game when it is created
so the games graphics is based off of the game engine that is used?
pearl compass
no
pearl elk
So I guess I gotta go to acting classes to use this iphone mocap stuff ๐
Nice and cheap, such democracy
median wraith
Well is one of the best actors
zinc matrix
Eae hebedy
Saw my game?
Hebussss
@median wraith
Is the shaver expensive
In italy
hardy yacht
then you'll miss the days you didn't have one ๐
north torrent
You are too young to have a wife.
elfin zinc
median cape
why is p4merge such a honking piece of shit
that is all
north torrent
16 is too young.
zinc matrix
will be known.. worldwide...
north torrent
Might be too much pressure for a 16 year old to handle.
zinc matrix
true
but you dont have kids so they will never know
but even if you had... would they make a big product? eae
fluid bloom
fucking photobucket ๐
it's keeping my stuff hostage, it doesn't allow you to bulk download stuff away
and at the same time they keep spamming me "your album is over limits"
direct links to images are a "pro" feature
fuck that shit ๐
zinc matrix
joni bro
i think im stalked
konkkischan
how do i convince other pppls to advertise my game
foggy path
make a game that people enjoy playing :P
zinc matrix
They need either money or a stake in the possible profit
foggy path
well yeah, if you want someone to literally advertise your game for you then that is generally how it works - you pay them
But you can get a lot of free advertising by word of mouth if your game is actually good
people like talking about stuff they enjoy :D
hashtag GameDevLifeHacks
zinc matrix
am tired and hungry
thin storm
then sleep and eat something. lol
zinc matrix
Mentazzzz
hi
damn unity
lights dont work
so sad!!
i could be working on my spaceships rn..
north torrent
A game like Minecraft, people advertise it for free every time they build something they want to share with friends.
A game like Red Dead Redemption 2, people advertise it for free every time they screenshot or capture on video a weird or unique experience in the open world and they just have to share it with friends.
A game like Star Citizen, people advertise it for free every time they want to share the space antics their crew gets up to in whatever new ship they are piloting.
Or for single person games...
A game like Stardew Valley, people advertise it for free every time they just have to share their crazy huge or crazy optimized or just plane crazy farm with their friends.
A game like Undertale, people advertise it for free every time they decide to upload a cover of the music or put fan art of the characters on their social media.
Make a game that is good, but also make a game that is shareable.
If people want to share an experience they will put it on social media and advertise for you for free.
What are the shareable moments of your proof of concept prototype, Karol?
I have moments planned that I hope will turn out that way in my game, but I also expect to be surprised by what fans actually find shareable and don't.
zinc matrix
thanks for long answer to my question
but you didnt reply to the message about kids
well in my game you can build space ships EAEAE
of course its not implemented yet
but its main feature eae
foggy path
alternatively make a game that's terrible, like TekWar, and then in 20 years retro gamers will be playing it
zinc matrix
damn
this feature is so good
im not worthy to implement it to my game
im not worthy of this code
thin storm
how is your mmo going?
zinc matrix
good
thin storm
nice
zinc matrix
bro
you either finish or you no finish
so what is the truth..
you know i do gamedev cus i have no oher things to do but its very time consuming hobby
if i had busy lifestyle - id never make a game
im sure notch was jobless bum
livin in mum basement
like me
thin storm
the word nothing contains no. lol yeah thats very true. so much time goes into it.
thin storm
Idk, ue usually works well. but its best hobby you can have. nothing physical that takes up space, you dont get dirt.
zinc matrix
depends
if it makes money then yes
otherwise its just you being manipulated by this hobby
foggy path
"manipulated by this hobby" wait what
you do realize that people have hobbies for fun, not for money lol
thin storm
hm hobby ends when you start to get money for it.
north torrent
I ignore 90% of what you say Karol, because I generally don't see you as a person worth conversing with.
But if you want my opinion on actual game development topics I can certainly share.
zinc matrix
here he goes ego preservation EAEAE
@thin storm
hm hobby ends when you start to get money for it.
unless you go full party mode and stop doing your hobby id say thats when the hobby starts giving the most pleasure
gilded lichen
Ok
zinc matrix
oh
north torrent
Anyone know a good gaming headset?
zinc matrix
dont hide your beautiful face in headsets mao...
I read it as handset and was wandering why you need one ๐
my game is no gut mate
I no like da menu
da colors..
EAE
soft night
yesterday John Park from Adafruit industries showed how to make custom cable coil
foggy path
oh wow major screwup from epic...
both Killing Floor 2 and Escapist 2 are multiplayer coop games
multiplayer does NOT WORK in either of them ๐คฆ
foggy path
no no, coop as in chicken coop
zinc matrix
poop u mean
north torrent
I bought bratwursts.
north torrent
I thought your game was finished and already being marketed.
zinc matrix
it is marketed indeed
it is waiting for sausages
but they never come
not boiled enuf
soft night
this year is totally crazy https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html
zinc matrix
nahman
these articles
dont believe them
they just want u to click on em
by makingg up addiitional viruses
soft night
well china got it first then this was like defending
zinc matrix
I stopped at Chinese officials
i dont know why nubs instantly leave my game after i kill them or when i almost kill them? why they join open world pvp game in the first place
atomic barn
probably because being instantly killed by the admin isn't what most people consider 'fun'
zinc matrix
yea but i was disguised as user
hardy yacht
maybe it's a signal you have to improve something there
probably it frustrates players, and you can't see it because you made it
zinc matrix
this year is totally crazy https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html
@soft night If this is real then CNN is doing a good job of paying attention to international affairs which is why my parents watch it (BBC News and Sky News focus largely on UK issues and my parents kind of use that only for UK issues). If it's not then I kind of think it's used to get back at Americans who aren't taking the pandemic seriously. Unlike BBC News, CNN's reporting on the coronavirus is much more pessimistic
worldly stirrup
heyo
zinc matrix
hi
hardy yacht
right
ebon onyx
<@&213101288538374145>
pearl elk
Wooo what did I miss
tall plume
a discord invite
pearl elk
Aww that all, I was hoping for some juicy hate speech or somethin ๐
tall plume
there is nothing good about hate speech
pearl elk
Theres plenty good about jokes though
fathom wadi
there are exceptions. I hate Trump and the UK Tories. And I am allowed by morality to do so :p
pearl elk
God included too many funny bones when he made me
fathom wadi
me too. Shame he skipped the important bone. happily average sadface
pearl elk
Oh noes, I think I might have offended someone ๐
When someone asks you if youre a God you say YES
Good to see that movie still smashing it at the box office
Ive been getting this odd bug in the lastest UE4 version where slate widgets become unresponsive, not all of them but most. It seems to be caused by the toast overlay thingos
Even the big X to close UE4 doesnt work
rancid nexus
Does anyone else start working on something, get about 1-2 hours into the process, look at the not-so-great results so far and just want to give up? ๐
pearl elk
1-2 hours wow, I usually dont even get that far
its like 10 mins into brainstorming, hmm how much will this cost to make... bin it!
bronze axle
I spent years working that way and have a heap of unfinished side projects as a result. I'm working to change that this year.
For me, it only led to more anxiety and less confidence.
pearl elk
I will be your cheerleader, you can do it ๐ง๐ผโโ๏ธ
fathom wadi
@rancid nexus could be worse. I got 6 months into a project and scrapped it
north torrent
I've got 99 problems, but thinking my work isn't great ain't one.
tulip orbit
glad you dont have a problem with thinking your work isnt great
I've been playing satisfactory all day ๐ฆ
bronze axle
4 days until Unreal Fest Online, aka new UE5 info. ๐
Anyone else in the western US getting up early to watch?
bronze axle
I don't blame you. I'm on Pacific Time and I have to wake up before 5:00AM to watch it. ๐
tulip orbit
its not the timing, just too lazy to watch. I'd rather just skim a TLDR
bronze axle
I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I enjoy being there and soaking in every detail.
tulip orbit
most of the details go fwoosh over my head ๐ I just wanna know when I can convert my RPG to UE5 and have better real time lighting
and if I'm gonna need a better computer.
and if the better lighting will also require better computers on the user end
radiant kiln
You guys got any work music you swear by for working in unreal engine?
300 listens of the katamari theme is quite enough
bronze axle
I tend to favor music without vocals, particularly ambient/chillout or trance.
Spotify has some reliable playlists, like Deep Focus and Floating Through Space.
tulip orbit
I mix it up, some days metal, other days rock, right now is cyberpunk electronic type music
bronze axle
Same. Depends on my mood and the work I'm doing.
radiant kiln
That's what I've been going for recently but I feel like I want more energy, something to compliment the caffeine im injecting into my veins
quiet narwhal
lots and lots of enya... nothing but enya....
radiant kiln
There was about a week I was extremely productive listening to nightcore, and now I have immense shame related to the problem and do not wish to talk about it
Hmmmmmmm, Enya
That's a good idea
quiet narwhal
I've actually started listening to UE4 tutorials in the background while working. it works well at this point as I have heard most things but occasionally I hear something new and it gives me a chance to break from what I am doing
radiant kiln
I do that from time to time as well
It's nice, kind of like... a very topical podcast
quiet narwhal
yep. even if you know it all you can still learn stuff is my thought
radiant kiln
Yeeeee
quiet narwhal
if I need to concentrate on work I actually throw on Gemini Syndrome or NiN radio on google play and let it go. about an hour in most of the time it turns into some nice mellow music right about the time I get into the groove
radiant kiln
I flip back and fourth, a usually have one of those study and chill livestreams bookmarked on youtube, but sometimes I just need high energy
bronze axle
Actually, I just remembered an old go-to of mine that is super reliable if you want decent energy and pacing that's good for staying in the zone.
The Mirror's Edge Catalyst soundtrack. It's over 5 hours long and has such a great energy and consistency to it.
quiet narwhal
I found a good headset actually makes more of a difference than what I am listening to. just immerse in the audio and everything else is zoned out
radiant kiln
Hmmm, I haven't listened to the new mirror's edge soundtrack
radiant kiln
I know a lot of people use "Girl Talk - All Day" as work music, and I really really like it
bronze axle
It's great work music. The mood drifts between ambient and high-energy very seamlessly. And since it's over 5 hours, it's easy to just press play and go.
radiant kiln
quiet narwhal
gah.. if i had a 5 hour playlist I would never take a break lol
radiant kiln
ahahhaa
bronze axle
lol
quiet narwhal
it's usually when I notice the music stopped that I remember to break
bronze axle
I also make playlists specific to my game projects, particularly for story writing and level design. I need to get in the right headspace for that work, and it has to match the vision for the game.
radiant kiln
Yes
I had to work on a fantasy project recently and I just put on the hobbit/lotr soundtracks to try to get me in the zone
bronze axle
So I'm writing a story for a small horror game, for example. When I do that, I put on dark ambient on Spotify and an hours-long video of a forest snowstorm on my second display.
radiant kiln
I started listening to the mirrors edge catalyst playlist and it really made me want to listen to 2112 by Rush so THERE WE GO
Thanks guys, ahhaha
zinc matrix
damn. idk if i want to pay attention to mirror's edge. only played the first one on console part way
i envy faith, i don't want to get back into that game too because i'll be hit with the nostalgia bullet
because of the theme song in part
bronze axle
It's a classic for sure.
zinc matrix
i doubt i'd even want to get into catalyst even if EA were not behind the game for the same reason although catalyst is 2010s crap
bronze axle
I enjoyed Catalyst a lot. It has flaws just like the first game did, but the combat and movement feel very good.
I want to buy them again now that they're finally on Steam, but the Pure Time Trial DLC for Mirror's Edge isn't there, which bums me out. Huge component of the first game for me.
analog bone
Is it evil to price indie game like pricy
like 20 euros
Yeah, im the kinda guy that wont be showing any bad things. like i cant release a half finished project
so i think it is worth the 20 euros
but then, i should maybe listen to somebody other than me
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I think i will just release the game when i think it is "ready"
And then start adding new maps and stuff with the updates
I think early acces games are just unfinished games, I know its not true but there is just something about that early acces text on steam pages ๐ฌ
well, big companies can publish anything they want and get away with it
Yeah, and the ones that are early acces arent marked as one in steam
I like purchasing just bad games and testing them out
none of those are marked as early acces
I wish that the steam greenlight would come back
xd
I looked the games released today
and found this
Like why
yeah
zinc matrix
But kkonki
zinc matrix
dam boys i was advertising like CRAZY...
analog bone
@zinc matrix What did you do? xd
foggy path
That shape war could make that 100 bucks back on the meme potential :P
if they sell it for like 1 usd or something and it isn't complete garbage
:D
pearl elk
On the topic of early access, I totally dont mind when they hike the price up after it launches. I think that is fair even though its typically considered bad form to raise prices. To me early adopters have to put up with alot of crap the launch players dont and thats worth somethin
foggy path
I'm not sure how it's bad form to increase price especially if a clear milestone like that is achieved
Reducing the price on the other hand can cause a negative reaction from those who bought at the higher price
pearl elk
Well its a retail thing in regards to price not so much directly related to the games industry or digital distribution models
foggy path
yeah it sort of depends on the value of what you're selling I guess
I know a lot of folks who do educational products and stuff and a lot of them increase prices as a normal part of how they do their marketing
especially in cases where they add more content into the product
pearl elk
Yeah I know NMS has steadily gone up in price as they added new content
Just have to be careful as the companies reputation is on the line too not just the product, if you try to gouge people thats a good way to lose peoples interest fast.
bleak flicker
hi guys; can anyone tell me quicly what the lounge is actually for?
chilln, i get it; but huh? its a bit unambigious and I don't wanna break rules; even tho this is probably where all the cool kids hang out ๐
I WANNA BE ONE OF THE KOOL KIDZ
pearl elk
lounge is for anything which doesnt fit in the other channels, so we discuss mostly narratives, business and legal stuffs ๐
We also provide free housing for the trolls as part of our public service arm
bleak flicker
trolls? oh good, im home.
๐ dank meme bro
@pearl elk thanks, tho. honestly I'm mostly interested in the way games are marketed.
I wanted to say, 'the way games market themselves'. but they don't if the 'do' it was an intellegent design funciton built in by someone, that's (almost) never a fluke.
the marketing of games.. well the marketing of ANYTHING, really , fascinates me.
yeah. im too old for that to be funny and i think the concept of dank memes is a meme within itself.
pearl elk
Yeah we dont really have any channels for that sort of stuff so in here is a good place to discuss it
bleak flicker
like; but the time a meme is dank, it's already dunk.
pearl elk
Dad jokes are very in vogue
pearl elk
Latin
pearl elk
yup, its from Olympus Mons, I just flipped it. Theres a story actually, when I signed up for a hotmail many moons ago I got a weird account creation error on OlympusMons
so I just flipped it and it stuck
bleak flicker
oh kk my name is similar; i was doing matrices in high school and hotmatrixx at hotmail just seemed cool
you know; the transformation kind that no one understood? I liked that.
i waz smart (ass)
at least its not like 'soccermom69'
BTW i'd do that.
๐
oh shit tha'ts a real account and i totally wouldnt do that.
bleak flicker
AHAHAHA LOL u get me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im so drunk
i should be doing mu UDEMY UE4 course RN
pearl elk
I would recommend doing it sober
bleak flicker
i like you;
like, subscribe, obey!
bleak flicker
im doing "how to move assets'"
its brain dead. I'm fine.
oh fuck me if you were a gril I'd so internet hit on u RN
MOZE
how the fuck does BL3 get a BL2 emote and still remain relevant
tulip orbit
bleak flicker
also, BL3 made me love robots and irish men
um maniaclal robots 'with a taste for murder' and irish men.
please tell me you get that
pearl elk
I cant believe they got away with the casino dlc, its such a pot shot at lootcrates
bleak flicker
okok the irish dude in BL3 was so good that i actually forgive conner mcgregor for being such a self obsessed dickweed
full disclosure; I havent tried the DLC.
i really should.
FUX I SHOULD BE LEARNING I PAID MONEY FOR THIS SHIT
tulip orbit
I havent played any of the BL3 dlc, but I've completed the main game 5 times.
bleak flicker
dude i like you
who'd you play 2x as and which one was as TVH
i'm actually interested; is TVH worth it?
pearl elk
Casino DLC is just a money run, so much dosh
tulip orbit
completed 5 times? hm, no, 4, almost 5.
tulip orbit
5th time was the hunter. just cause I was bored. TVH?
bleak flicker
new game +. hardmode once you complete the story on normie. True Vault Hunter
pearl elk
true vault hunter
bleak flicker
BL veteran here
pearl elk
I love that mayhem mode shit, I always got that turned up now
bleak flicker
5000h in BL2 but only did bL3 2x
tulip orbit
oh, maybe 20min of it, 30min of mayhem mode... I suck too much to last long ๐ฆ
bleak flicker
i guess there is such a thing as too much of a good thing
north torrent
I didn't eat lunch today...
pearl elk
lol yeah I die more in mayhem mode but thats why I like it
north torrent
I don't do code.
bleak flicker
i dunno. i mean i did normal as fl4k and irishdude and that was it i was done
pearl elk
Its tricky when you get to enemies where you have to use all the damage types to win
bleak flicker
in solo
north torrent
I like games where I die a lot but it spawns me back quick so I can try again.
pearl elk
I played mostly as Moze, I really liked her
bleak flicker
mayhem they respawn with full health it can hurt if youre not intimate with the systems
hey new guy
north torrent
I get frustrated with games that punish you for death. Games that make you go back and re-do a bunch of stuff or whatever.
bleak flicker
@north torrent what u du then
pearl elk
Shame Mechromancer didnt come back or have Tina as playable
bleak flicker
@north torrent i appreciate that, but in saying that, some games are designed around you gitn gud
lol
yeah TT would have been better as a class than an NPC with 3 mins of screentime
Fuck i miss her from BL2 WAY EASY my fav character.
I'd do that (she was 13? wait wot? this is pandora there are no rules)
north torrent
To me that is just bad design. But if other people like it then all the more power to them.
bleak flicker
space, on the subject of design, i know where you come from, but it depends on your goals. you might be right, you might be wrong. that's a deep ass topic
in BL3 solo its a bad design. in Dark souls, it's the whole point.
north torrent
Not all games are made for people like me. I like a lot of stuff other people certainly don't like.
pearl elk
I like me some deep ass
bleak flicker
it depends on the mechanics of the boss; if everythign is telegraphed and avoidable, then its actually fair.
fuck someone needs to hire me to design games. i know too much.
north torrent
I prefer to just go crazy on bosses and retry fights until I get the right perfect frenzy of luck to beat a challenge.
I don't want to bother being good at a game. If I wanted to spend time getting good at something I would learn to play the piano or something.
tulip orbit
maybe TT will be a playble in a DLC? hope so. Also, she's near or past 20 in BL3
bleak flicker
yeah you're no good for Dark souls.
tulip orbit
there's also a section where you see more of her and the rest of B-team as some sidequests
north torrent
I never even imagined buying Dark Souls. Though I'm glad it exists to make other people happy.
bleak flicker
@tulip orbit bang on.
She was 13 in BL2 and it's 7 years later.
that's why (spoilers)
She's able to make that joke about getting her explosives comp mixed up with her adult film show
tulip orbit
I dont remember that joke ๐ฆ
bleak flicker
she says about going to both expos and mixing up her demonstrations
north torrent
Anyways, to answer your question from earlier, I'm a game artist, certainly not a programmer. But that's sort of a bad word around here, so don't tell anybody.
pearl elk
no, game ๐
bleak flicker
fuck off boi
north torrent
Don't say the 'A' word, Mr. Knifd.
bleak flicker
realtalk
fuck off
we cant exsist without you.
they are idiots send em my way i'll fucking ruin their day
pearl elk
"procedural"... banned ๐
bleak flicker
lol
not if it's done right
Deep Rock Galactic is proof.
the truth is those words are bandied about and people use em as an excuse.
lemme say this. you're not an artist until you've spent 1000h doing it.
harsh, but unless you're weirdly gifted, true.
same with Dev tho
most devgs fucking suck at their craft. if they didnt i wouldnt be here proving they all suck
"they all mostly"
and TBF most devs are forced to compromise because of something. that's really sad.
i think of CoD when I say that.
north torrent
Game artists don't need to be good at art though.
pearl elk
Just use indie as a shield for poor art ๐
bleak flicker
fuck off.
if you're no good, you dont get paid, in my thingking. Or at least, if i dont like your style, you don't get paid.
fuck. off.
altho true, @pearl elk
pearl elk
I'll go play with my 8 bits
zinc matrix
i hate guys on reddit, they stalked my acc and reported all my 100 posts on different subs and even the ones with 30 upvotes got deleted
bleak flicker
space. honestly, if you're talented, NO skilled, and its what I want, I'll buy it/pay for it.
everyone wants somethign for nothing.
I am an artist in the real space. artists in digital space are severely underated. HOWEVER turning that talent into money is a real challnege
north torrent
Game art is more about making good decisions than it is about being good at creating art. You have to be good at seeing the principles of art more than you have to be good at making art in any one particular form.
Recognizing what is adding to your project and what is taking away from your project. The would be for games that are both focused on gameplay and games that are focused on storytelling.
bleak flicker
heang on i have to dissect that to understand it
gimme a tick
ok so i see it from a different perspective so its gonna take me a moment to get onside with you
...
north torrent
There is next to no crossover between doing illustrations to please your social media followers and being a game artist.
bleak flicker
I'm a gameplay guy so please forgive me I'll catch up because I somehow can tell that you're right or have a valid point in your arena; but not in mine... wait...
ok fuck social media for a moment there is no money there, that's a popularity contest and honestly, there is no exposure; the people that care about good art are not going to follow you.
pearl elk
I do game art to please my social media followers
zinc matrix
aaeaeaeaea
pearl elk
but I get more likes on my bad cosplays
north torrent
If you are an artist working on a game that has no storytelling, then your main job is to make art that a)tells a story on its own and b)communicates to the player what the gameplay needs.
zinc matrix
monso eaeaeaeae??
bleak flicker
cozplay is cool but im not gonna spend money on you unless you are BALLS TO THE WALL amazing and your aethetic advances my brand
he's cute
that's sweet
zinc matrix
guys how to make sail im bad at moving clothy objects
for this reason all my clothes are armors hehe
bleak flicker
@north torrent if you want my money, the easiest way to get it is to make assets for games. assets that I want and recognise as
- better than what i can make
- relevant to my game.
zinc matrix
EAE
north torrent
I don't want your money.
bleak flicker
oh and 3. will fit my aesthetic
zinc matrix
e;a;e
pearl elk
I'll take free money
bleak flicker
well not me specifically, sure; i'm just saying that if your goal is to make moeny as an artist you want to provide value, and that is the value that I am looking for
bleak flicker
its' a personal view nto an unconditional world view
north torrent
If my goal was to make money I would just pick up extra hours at a real job. Maybe go work at a bank.
bleak flicker
@zinc matrix hi john havent had a chance to address you yet; please explain?