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foggy path
This would be a lot faster if I could just ask it "oh the asset exists? replace it with all this stuff" but that's not something you can do as far as I can tell, and there's literally zero documentation on how the editor scripting stuff works
fathom wadi
@foggy path wouldn't active class redirectors handle that?
foggy path
I have no idea what that is :D
foggy path
I mean I guess but even if nothing is referencing the assets I can't just overwrite it
I'm debugging some issues with the sprite rename/flipbook generate tool and it just spits out hundreds of assets when you run it, and I have to keep running it to see whether my changes fixed it or not lol
I suspect in the C++ side of things I could probably just be sneaky and memcpy the asset or something equally Safe โข๏ธ
zinc matrix
@foggy path do u like it https://i.imgur.com/gHVgf28.png
foggy path
needs more blood and guts 
Really, if I want to completely replace a uasset like a flipbook, I actually can't just copy and put a new one in its place :X
Why is this so complicated...
solar sigil
i need help badly
pearl elk
you should call your doctor
solar sigil
pls help my camera in game only goes left and right not up and down and my character wont walk straight
no ive been trying for hours
sage tendon
You have been trying to drink for hours?
pearl elk
click the character walk straight checkbox
zinc matrix
ill use ESP in arma 3
zinc matrix
REMMMYY
median wraith
Esp?
wet horizon
I just discovered you can bring a window to the front in windows with windows key + number in taskbar of the program, but it's hard if you use programmer dvorak keyboard
remote brook
If the game is in windowed or borderless mode, then yes.
wet horizon
I'm searching how to change the keys for it
remote brook
It doesn't just bring the window to the front, it actually simulates clicking that taskbar shortcut.
So it will open the shortcut if it isn't already.
wet horizon
you can also set shortcut keys accessing an icon's properties and assigning the shotcut
wet horizon
apparently I have to make a autohotkey script to change the windows key + number shortcut
zinc matrix
I stopped playing games 8 years ago for that reason
games dont make sense to me anymore
median wraith
@remote brook welp each time a game collapses I cannot even use the task manager or the bar to close it xd
rigid shoal
I tried learning AHK, but the language is really, really not friendly.
fathom wadi
indeed. its like you need to read a book to do anything basic.
wet horizon
I like it, most of the things I've done with it is use it on games
rigid shoal
I don't understand why it needs to be that way, though.
I'm pretty sure they could have just used Javascript/Python as the language and supplied an AHK API for it.
If I had time... it's not a bad idea.
What games have you used it on, btw?
wet horizon
I can agree that scripting with it feels horrible, I just force myself to ignore that
rich quiver
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wet horizon
I used it on tibia as a "bot" (more like a routine) and on path of exile to drop items from inventory quickly
also on a world of warcraft as quality of life mail deletion
rigid shoal
Yeah, I would use it in Maplestory as a bot a long time ago.
It was like my favorite thing in the world.
Nowadays, lots of MMORPGs, I think, somehow search your computer to see if you have AutoHotkey running.
foggy path
lol
I remember using some kind of macro software back in the day in Ultima Online on the custom shard I was playing on
UO shards had these bot/macro check windows which would pop up and ask you some random question
which is probably a lot more effective and less intrusive than using ring0 anticheats to detect AHK
north torrent
Anyone heard of this new free game 'Pathway'?
north torrent
From studying the color grading of film and more 'cinematic' movies vs more natural looking movies, I think green is one of the most important colors to pay attention to.
There just seems to be a large difference in the way green is shown in movies or TV shows that take more artistic license with their cinematography vs what you would see if you saw the same scene with your eyes or if it was shot with a high end cellphone camera.
Green always seems to be more on the blue side or the yellow side in film...
north torrent
The Matrix falls into one of two main categories that I was thinking of.
There are a lot of films in that kind of darker action genre that will use an overall sense of green to create a more 'sick' or 'unnatural' look to put a bit of unease in the audience.
The other category is when you see movies that have a lot of nature. Lots of trees, lots of grass, big open landscapes. A lot of the time they will tone down how saturated the green is. The green-ness of the scene is still powerful, but they let the colors around the green or lack there of really show off the green as opposed to just bombarding the eye with a lot of saturated greens.
Movies usually limit color pallets a lot compared to reality.
Have you seen Vertigo by Alfred Hitchcock?
I think with art it is important to know how to look at something with a critical eye. Understand what the 'rules' are so you can look at how other people used them and come to conclusions of why that was used.
I don't think rules are meant to be followed. But I think it is important to know the language to explain why you like the lighting of a film or game vs why you don't like it.
To a fan you can just say, 'the lighting made me feel the emotions' but as an artist that is too vague if you really want to learn from others and use those tools in your own work.
There are no right or wrong answers, but there is a difference between just throwing in something to be fancy and throwing in something to tell a story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scmHVYYZZ3w @tough sierra
plucky pagoda
Some of it goes back to film where you only had a certain range to work with .
north torrent
That's why I have filled up my ssd with films going way back to the beginning. Hard to find things before 1920 though... for obvious reasons.
I think there are a lot of amazing things that were created because of the limitations of the medium at the time. I like to see how the limitations forced creativity and some masterpieces were created.
I want to take inspiration from the way cinematographers had to work before everything became so much easier.
And I like to look at how things changed when new technology was introduced. Most of the best movies are the ones that took the new technology and tried something new with it as opposed to just 'porting' the same kind of ideas they would have had with the previous generation of technology.
plucky pagoda
I'm a firm believer that limitations can feed creativity
north torrent
I think that teaching art is really about teaching the students the vocabulary and techniques to look for, and then letting them go out and see.
A blank white piece of paper is hard to just 'come up with something'.
But give a person something to start with and it becomes much easier.
Like if I am teaching improvisation in music, I don't just have a student 'go improvise something' out of nowhere.
I will start them with a basic rhythm, then give them a simple one word prompt such as 'comfort' or 'fire' or 'horse' and then have them improvise from that simple word and rhythm.
You get much better results that way.
It is easier than me actually lecturing to them... I can go take a nap while they explore new learning.
north torrent
So if we simplify things down to the core, what is gameplay?
It is basically some sort of conflict.
Now if we have a story driven game with a character. This character has a personality, past experiences, and certain skills. Even in games where the player gets to choose some or a lot of these, the main character in a story driven game still has these things.
So what is it called when the player wants to do one thing, and the story or the personality of the character wants to do another?
That is called... wait for it... a conflict.
So what I want to do is use that conflict as gameplay. Have choices, have a defined player character with a personality, and if you want to overcome the weaknesses of said personality you have to overcome the challenge/puzzle to beat that conflict.
mild root
Dispelling apophenia is very ungrateful move. Someone spends a lot of time in n overanalyzing stuff and building theories, then another one comes in and says "all of it is bullshit and makes no sense", and this oneliner makes you look either a dick or a stupid, just because you don't want to follow someone's logic step by step and point at all logic errors.
north torrent
For what I am working on I try to make a clear difference between the character the player is playing as, and the player.
You are not the character, you are the player. You can guide that character, help him/her make good choices, try to protect him/her or make him/her do crazy things.
But you are the voice inside the character's head, that character's conscience.
I want the player to feel like he/she is taking a walk in the shoes of someone else, facing problems the way this character would. The character is not you, the character is the character.
Are you referring to apophenia in media specifically, Mr. HxE?
mild root
Apophenia is everywhere
north torrent
But was your comment aimed at media specifically or a general comment?
I'm just trying to figure out where you are going with this.
I think there are times where it can be dangerous if people are allowed to keep going down that path without being corrected.
Conspiracy theorists and flat earthers and the like. If taken too far it can cause real lasting harm.
mild root
I'm a firm believer that limitations can feed creativity
Nonsense
north torrent
In media however I can see no harm in someone connecting story elements in a way that is 'different'.
This week I gave my students the task of building a paper spaceship to take people to Mars.
These are just 2nd graders so it was nothing complex.
I could give them an infinite amount of paper to make said spaceship. But if I give them only two colors of paper, that is a limitation. However I found that giving them less colors to choose from and a limited supply of paper makes them make more creative choices with the paper they have.
mild root
This statement contradicts experimental data, therefore it is wrong
The experiment - training neural network for synthesis of images.
It requries certain amount of data input.
The more data we pass to the network - the better results will be.
Let's put limitation on training dataset size. It will damage training quality. With further decreasing dataset size we will get worse results. This tendency remains true for all domain of the dataset factor.
north torrent
Data is not Resources.
mild root
Wrong
north torrent
Film makers in the 1930s had limited resources, they didn't have the technology available to them.
That lack of technology created the context of many creative ideas that would not have come about without the limitations of that technology.
Just like if you give someone a puzzle and say, 'You only have 5 moves to solve this' they have to be a lot more creative with how to solve the puzzle.
mild root
And where are those 1930s masterpieces
north torrent
On my ssd.
mild root
While modern movies show us unbelievable worlds and distorded dimensions, and creative guys are busy mostly with creation of good stories, old moviemakers spent time thinking how to stitch two film pieces together. They spent manhours on techical routines and not creative process
pearl elk
the limitations are the inputs not the size of the data set
north torrent
All you have to do is go back and watch these films to see that many are far superior in creativity than many modern films.
pearl elk
in this case in regards to design we call them pillars
without those you have no structure and any trained data will be a glob of nothin
north torrent
Learning how to do more with less is a key to being a good game designer.
north torrent
Out of the box ways to tell a story may not be for everyone, but using tools such as untraditional aspect ratios and monochromatic scenes can shape a niche product.
Not everyone is going to like it if you make a 4:3 aspect ration game. But there will be people out there who appreciate it.
There is a reason why movies and games will choose to limit color pallets. Less is more a lot of the time.
If character customization screens limited the range of colors you could use on a custom character, then generally the character people created would look better. Assuming the colors you limited said player to were from a strong color pallet.
mild root
a limiting condition; restrictive weakness; lack of capacity; inability or handicap:
Without limitation you can do more. It is that simple
north torrent
The limits of a radio drama meant the the medium had to tell a story that could only be sensed through your ears. This pushed the voice actors to do better work so they could convey the emotions through the limits of the medium.
mild root
I understand affinity towards poetic contradictions, but nonsense is nonsense
Limitation helps creativity in the same way as knee on the neck helps breathing
pearl elk
Jaws wouldnt have been as good without the limitations of the time tbh
north torrent
I think you have very clearly lost this debate, so I will not keep rubbing it in.
pearl elk
The Meg threw high budget at a shark movie and it wasnt nearly as good
limitations can lead to coming up with innovative solutions you wouldnt have otherwise thought of
mild root
I think you have very clearly lost this debate, so I will not keep rubbing it in.
Sure you won. A bucket full of helpful limitations.
mild root
I don't wear glasses
north torrent
People in garages built Microsoft and Apple, which are two of the biggest companies in the world.
Probably a handful of other large 1990s startups that now are worth 100s of billions...
zinc matrix
nah most people in garages just tinker with stuff but dont build anything significant
they dont make the whole product usually
north torrent
Do you have a garage, Mr. Olympus?
pearl elk
yeah actually we have acouple
pearl elk
this news is kinda funny, apparently some kids on tiktok got together and decided to troll Trump by signing up and reserving seats at his rally then not going
north torrent
There were plenty of seats left over anyways.
In the end I think it gave him an excuse...
pearl elk
His polling numbers are way down, even amongst Republicans
I think he forgot most of his audience is over 50s so Covid response was important
north torrent
Not down enough for me to have any faith left in the United States...
pearl elk
But your buddy Boe Jinden is gonna win
infact the Republicans are worried the Dems will win in a landslide and get the senate to boot
north torrent
It would be hard to run a business in the United States knowing that 1 out of ever 4 or 5 customers was a nasty enough human to support someone like tRump.
pearl elk
Predictions are it'll be like another George Bush just Dems this time
north torrent
I don't know if I would be ok ordering food knowing that the guy who flips burgers at McDonalds has a 1 in 4 chance of being an utterly broken and disgusting human being who support's tRump.
The weird thing about the Republicans being worried that Boe Jiden will in is the Boe Jiden is basically a Republican...
It is so hard to tell the difference between a centrist Democrat like Boe Jiden and a never-tRumper Republican like Ritt Momney...
zinc matrix
north torrent
Mohn JcCain was a Republican, and Boe Jiden was a Democrat but they basically had the same views on everything.
pearl elk
Nothing wrong with being closer to the center line, better than the extremes
atleast when you have people like that you can come to bipartisan agreements instead of spending your whole term undoing what the last mob did
north torrent
I'm just saying I don't understand why Republicans are afraid of Boe Jiden, when he is basically almost one of them.
pearl elk
people are just generally scared of change, the Dems have been labelled libbers even though either side could be a libber
north torrent
If they vote for tRump it isn't because of policy, but because they enjoy his raunchiness and his racism.
Boe Jiden is far closer to a Reagan - 2012 era Republican than tRump ever was.
mild root
Relax, US will be fine
north torrent
Teddy Roosevelt was the true progressive in US history.
That guy was a badass. He is basically an anime protagonist.
pearl elk
yes well getting a proper progressive into the presidency at this stage would be near impossible Id say
north torrent
A Teddy Roosevelt game is on my list of games I would someday like to make... but almost certainly never will.
No progressives for 2020. That's already been decided, we've moved past that months ago, Mr. Olympus.
pearl elk
Yeah I mean the political climate in general, progressives are too easy to label as the bad guy
north torrent
I just find it funny that the most manly Republican president ever was politically almost identical to Elizabeth Warren.
pearl elk
"they'll take your freedom" n all that
north torrent
It was very close to happening this year but fell apart at the end.
north torrent
Elizabeth Sanders / Bernie Warren?
He will be too old to come back again. His age is was a big disadvantage this time around.
pearl elk
Need to wait for Ocasio-Cortez to get old enough now ๐
zinc matrix
GUYS
north torrent
But the real thing that stopped his movement from growing past the size it got to was the bitterness of his supporters who couldn't get over 2016.
They were gatekeeping anyone who supported Hillary in 2016 from being part of their movement, they secluded themselves from more voters.
In an election based on people's votes you can't just turn away voters from your cause because they aren't
'pure' enough for you.
pearl elk
Hillary never had a chance tbh, she was a good poster child but not what people wanted
north torrent
Then how did she win by 4 million votes in the popular vote?
mild root
US has no democracy, it is that simple
pearl elk
Like I said she was a good poster child but not what people wanted, you have to win seats
north torrent
She won. By 4 million votes in the popular vote. That means people wanted her more. So you can't just say, "she was not what people wanted".
pearl elk
Then why isnt she President?
north torrent
Because the system isn't fair.
But that's different than what the people want.
In the US the people don't just get what they want.
pearl elk
If a majority of people wanted her so bad Trump wouldnt have lasted his full term
zinc matrix
my mom locked herself in toilet and i cant wash teeth now
pearl elk
She lost on family values
north torrent
A majority of people in the US want more gun control, but that isn't going to happen. It doesn't matter in 80% of the people want it.
pearl elk
husband got a blowie in the oval office, that doesnt sound like a lady in charge of much ๐
mild root
Gun control is wrong. We need to force all citizen without criminal record to wear a gun
pearl elk
the fact she was a women helped her campaign but people wernt ready to just vote in any woman it has to be the right one
lol she was, dunno if she still is one ๐
pearl elk
I think if she didnt wear expensive suits while talking about homelessness it would have gone a long way. Dont feel like the lock her up crap really had an impact, people ignore most of what Trump says even now he's President ๐
north torrent
Obama and Bush 2.0 will still be alive decades after tRump is in the grave.
But Clintons, tRump, Biden, Bernie Sanders... they will all be gone soon and new players will have to come to the stage.
pearl elk
Unfotunately many people will get the wrong idea about Obama cuz of all the smear campaign the entire time he was in. Then it happens to Trump in the same way and out comes the violins
north torrent
I personally believe that the smear campaigns about the 'email server' and 'Benghazi' were the only reason Clinton lost in key electoral college states.
I personally don't believe it was any reason other than these people followed a story they knew next to nothing about and used it as a reason to hate Hillary Clinton.
The kind of rednecks that want to see Hillary Clinton locked up usually can't tell you the first thing about why she is so bad beyond "emails!" and "Benghazi".
pearl elk
Well thats it if people are going to believe what they want they dont really need much of a push, all they want is that confirmation. Most are oblivious to their own bias
north torrent
I would still execute Julian Assange if it was up to me.
north torrent
For what he has done there needs to be punishment.
pearl elk
You dont think being locked up for all these years is a punishment?
north torrent
He destroyed a nation...
pearl elk
sure an embassy might be slightly nicer than a prison but he still couldnt get daylight
he's in proper prison now anyways
wikileaks recently ran ads talking about how badly he's being treated, I was kinda like meh
north torrent
If it was in my power I would storm the embassy and execute him for treason.
pearl elk
you cant do that
north torrent
The United States.
north torrent
I'm not worry about the specifics, as long as he is pulled out of the embassy and killed by some government. I don't care what government it is.
pearl elk
he's been out of the embassy for ages, the poms got him
north torrent
Well, until he is dead I can't go take a piss on his grave.
mild root
What is nation worth if one man can destroy it
north torrent
When it is your only passport and home it is worth a whole lot.
pearl elk
you should see recent photos of him, he looks in worse shape than Bernie Sanders
north torrent
I guess if you have dual citizenship it isn't such a big deal.
It just means loosing all your property you have obtained over your lifetime.
No big deal, right?
pearl elk
Skase was the real idiot, Id piss on his grave
north torrent
Damn... people are still using the same ridiculous arguments about Fallout 4's player character in 2020... And those arguments haven't aged to be any better today...
pearl elk
welcome to 2020 the year of the recycled argument ๐
north torrent
People saying that Fallout 4's player character doesn't make sense because he or she didn't hop directly out of the vault to go save Shaun from the Institute...
mild root
Because there are no characters there
Talking heads
People saying that Fallout 4's player character doesn't make sense because he or she didn't hop directly out of the vault to go save Shaun from the Institute...
Pretty valid complain, but it is just a symptom of bigger problem
False urgency
pearl elk
Bethesderr
mild root
Good story should fit gameplay
north torrent
I guess if your character was Liam Neeson with his special set of skills, maybe it would make sense to directly go save his son from the Institute.
But when you character was a lawyer who just woke up in a world of anarchy and Raiders, running straight to the Institute and fighting an army of Synths (that you don't even know what they are) is totally not the logical move.
The only thing a character can do is make connections, get allies, get information, load up on supplies, and become Liam Neeson through the plot of the game.
There are a lot of flaws with Fallout 4's story. But it would make zero sense for anyone who isn't Keanu Reeves or Liam Neeson to go straight for saving his son without first building connections with allies in this strange new world.
Insult Fallout 4 for the things it does do wrong, don't make up dumb logic to insult it for the thing it actually does right...
mild root
Then character should act calmer, without yelling "WHERE IS MY BABY" on every occasion
north torrent
Like I said the other day. You don't have to make up a story about Ted Bundy taking a dump in public restrooms and not flushing to make him look like a bad person. You don't have to make up a story about China hiding corona-virus to make the government look shady. There are plenty of real problems without making stuff up.
mild root
Not a big deal for me anyway
I don't care for that game very much
It is just too stupid to care
Especially when railroad was introduced
Minutemen are quite silly too, but I get it as a reference to anerican history
Railroad just doesn't fit into post-apocalyptic anarchy genre
Not selfish enough
I don't believe in this Disney land
That's why I like Gothic 1 in particular
zinc matrix
need to train..
north torrent
I'm just studying the middle ground between have a 'Create a Character' and having a 'Set Protagonist', and this guy I was listening to used that same old fallacy of an argument to say how Fallout 4 failed in that regard...
But in reality Fallout 4 failed in that regard because they were was too stuck with there A means this B means this X means this Y means this dialogue system and always forcing there to be 4 choices when it wasn't appropriate.
That and having the NPCs reaction to the player being too generalized to fit every scenario that they ended up just feeling bland.
mild root
1 choice, rarily 2, not 4
north torrent
They always forced it to be 4 dialogue options even when it shouldn't have been.
mild root
Joke, more info, yes, and yes but later
north torrent
Where Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 would often just have 2 options to click.
And sometimes 10.
And sometimes 3.
Being stuck to always being 4 was just very bad for writing.
mild root
*2
north torrent
Especially since it was super easy to only have two available options in that game. I was able to mod conversations like that into the game easily back when I was doing Fallout modding.
mild root
I am not trying to be salty, but two options - question and joke, most of the time were not desicion options
north torrent
When I say option I mean the number of things that you can click.
And you can always click 4 things.
They might all 4 lead to one response, which is part of the problem.
mild root
Anyway, dialogue system there is too limited
north torrent
The way Bethesda used it was too limited.
There were a lot of different tools you could use under the hood that could have been incredible.
proven thorn
I don't know why they would change that even. I mean New Vegas did it pretty well already.
mild root
Why are gunners hostile?
proven thorn
Why change a system that already worked pretty well.
mild root
Why are raiders hostile?
north torrent
The New Vegas dialogue user interface looks so incredibly dated it makes me cringe...
mild root
Why outfit doesn't give a disguise
north torrent
If you open up the modding tools of Fallout 4 you can make all of the above work without too much trouble.
mild root
In Gothic 2 bandit armor effectively joined you with bandit faction, so you couldn't even show up in the city in it
proven thorn
Sure, it might look outdated, but at least it allowed you to role play.
Sometimes the options in FO4 were so vague and inconsequential it really felt like the same option worded four different ways
north torrent
That's because they literally were, Mr. Tan.
It didn't just feel that way, it was that way.
mild root
In Gothic 2 members of your faction won't talk with you if you didn't wear their armor
proven thorn
Yeah, I had hoped for more endings than just two options. There were definitely more nuanced ways of ending that storyline.
But no, you just get two nuclear options.
north torrent
The point I was trying to make, Mr. Tan is that Fallout New Vegas is a dated system with better writing.
Fallout 4 had a much better system that was totally misused and has a lot of poor writing.
But the dialogue user interface system isn't the core of the problem.
north torrent
In the hands of Obsidian the Fallout 4 system would have been a very different experience. I think the guy that designed the tool they use for dialogue did a good job and the writers did a bad job of using it.
mild root
It cannot be better then unlimited list
north torrent
It isn't hardcoded as 4. I was able to have 2 or 3 options within hours of opening up the modding tools. Wasn't even a challenge.
proven thorn
Agreed about writing.
north torrent
Well, I personally think that having more that 6 on screen at a time is very poor planning by the writers.
mild root
How can it be better then a list of 10 responses?
north torrent
So working with 4 is fine for me.
Having 10 responses and you can only choose 1 is a whole lot worse than branching things.
Exponentially worse.
mild root
My reaction to extensive list is "wow, so many things to say"
Limiting player to 4 responses is clear questioning of player's intelligence
north torrent
A good writer should have more choices throughout a conversation.
2 options here, 3 options here, 2 more options here, 4 options here.
That is good writing for pace and not wasting 9 lines of dialogue.
mild root
And that's where games go
That's where fallout 4 went - it tries to be as simple, so even (insert an insult here) can play it
Try Elex
Few wrong dialogue choices here and there - and that's it, you failed a quest of joining a faction
To proceed in story, you now have to consider joining other factions. And travel through the hostile world, low leveled and unequipped
Choices and consequences
north torrent
The one on the right is what happens when you have 10 dialogue options all at once. It is bad.
The one on the left is how dialogue choices should be spread through a conversation by a good writer.
north torrent
Paths can link back in to each other, paths can loop, and you don't just waste all the ones not chosen.
You can do both. But you are a bad writer if you do the right one.
mild root
Unlimited lists can do both, okay
north torrent
But you have every right and ability to be a bad writer if you so choose.
mild root
Bad writer is another problem
And you said that fallout 4 writers misused the 4 choice system
You said it is not panacea
north torrent
Unlimited lists give you the option to write bad at the expense of having a nice looking dialogue user interface.
That I agree on.
In my opinion it isn't worth the trade off of having a dated looking interface visually. That is my opinion and if you disagree that is totally ok.
I personally hold the visual look of my interface as very important.
mild root
What is fancy, is subjective
north torrent
Not everyone does.
pearl elk
Thats why I like Until Dawn and games like that, I feel like I have alot more impact over how things go rather than just being fooled into thinking I have more
north torrent
I personally have gone as far to design many different interfaces to visually represent different kinds of choices. Some even require a different kind of input so that the player has a tactile feedback with the way he/she chooses something.
Some only have two buttons on them. Some have 6 buttons. Some have 4.
Some go left to right, some go up and down, some are squares, some are circles.
I'm not familiar with Until Dawn, Mr. Olympus. I do want to take a bit different approach by not trying to fool anyone but having one of the core parts of how my story is told being an understanding that the player isn't in complete control.
A separation that the player character is not you and you are not the player character. This is a person who is who he/she is and you can try to guide them.
If what you want conflicts with what the character wants then you must resolve that struggle through gameplay in the user interface. This is part of what I am currently prototyping.
One of the simple example is if you tell a jerk character to go say something nice he might refuse. You will click that dialogue option, but the button will move to run away from you. Then you can try to click it again but it will evade you.
It is like a mini puzzle trying to figure out hot to press the button based on the movement patterns.
I want the struggle of the player to hit the button to reinforce how hard it is for that person to try to be nice.
mild root
Some even require a different kind of input so that the player has a tactile feedback with the way he/she chooses something.
north torrent
I would redesign the controller if that was something I had the resources to do.
But until then we are stuck with this...
And I really just have the two analogs to work with in dialogue.
mild root
I want the struggle of the player to hit the button to reinforce how hard it is for that person to try to be nice.
I am not crossfit survivalist, but sometimes I feel like I am way more capable than characters under my control. I don't think it is a good idea to turn input map into a challenge
north torrent
Left has to be what is used to control select so that the player if free to hit the select button with his/her right hand.
So the right joystick is regulated to controlling either the notebook, inventory, or body language which will have to be toggled by another button.
mild root
lets get doom eternal as example
inputs are responsive
I don't struggle
but it is hard on nightmare mode
because the gameplay is intense
want player to sweat?
make hard gameplay
north torrent
The idea is more that if I have a choice that is all about the level of enthusiasm of the character.
So the bottom option is 'ehhh... it's ok'
The middle option is 'Oh, that's cool'
And the third option is 'I'm excited! Let's go!'
I could use spinning the left joystick to bring the meter up. So no spin would be 'ehhh... it's ok'
One spin would be 'Oh, that's cool'
And two spins would be the excited option. The meter would slowly fall.
So I am going more for tactile feedback that gameplay challenge.
You have to physically do something to get the player excited, even if it is only 2 or 3 spins of an analog stick.
mild root
it won't pass playtests
north torrent
It is all still in prototyping, so things will certainly change when I get to testing.
That's a very naive and arrogant thing to say, Mr. HxE.
mild root
there is a reason why adults don't play "bop it"
north torrent
You don't know until you test, and assuming it will fail before testing is just a defeatist attitude.
You assume adults don't play bop it...
You really should test some of your theories before sharing them with others.
mild root
ok
pearl elk
bop it is my main game, I love it so much omg
north torrent
I figured you would.
mossy nexus
bop it is a fun party game, although not played it for like 20 years
tulip orbit
zinc matrix
guys
they dont believe in my mmo
but
someone defended me from them
and this was nice feeling
north torrent
If you were nicer to people I think more people would defend you.
zinc matrix
i am nice to all
north torrent
I'm pretty sure most people would disagree.
zinc matrix
damn i spotted my neigjbours looking at me
north torrent
Look back.
zinc matrix
they mad cause i leech on parents
but thats not true. theyre making investment in me and my game
north torrent
A 16 year old leeching off parents is none of their business.
zinc matrix
exactly
and even if hes older
oof i have to start this day producctively.. first (daily) gamedev step is the hardest
pastel tiger
I've played the last of us 2.
Holy shit.
It is not a "masterpiece" or a "10/10".
It's a 5 at best.
pearl elk
its only leechin if you dont contribute anything to the household
zinc matrix
its only leechin if youre not currently working on a huge project
north torrent
He contributes adolescent snark.
pearl elk
It is a naughty dog game so if you expected more than stuck in a box until you can find the box you might have expected too much
pastel tiger
it is a game from late 2000s with fancy graphics.
zinc matrix
ithink my neighbour saw me walking in circle and talking to myself waving my hands
damn
pearl elk
so like everything else on the market then ๐
north torrent
I heard it had too many cutscenes and linear story. Then I remembered it was a Naughty Dog game and I wondered what the reviewer was smoking buying a Naughty Dog game and expecting something different than a Naughty Dog game.
pearl elk
oh except for the games from the 1990s with fancy graphics
pastel tiger
there are certainly good games on the market, especially in the recent years.
pearl elk
but please no spoilers bout Last of Us 2, Ive managed to avoid them
pastel tiger
i wonder what ND smoked when they greenlit such a game
north torrent
I haven't played it, so I can't really say anything.
pearl elk
I just figure its along the lines of their last games that Ive played
Uncharted 4 was mostly the brother pointing out the obvious, oh you can climb here
Uncharted 2 has to be my favourite
pastel tiger
yeah, you can definitively see the underlying system is exactly the same. the formula is even the same.
north torrent
I have very low expectations for AAA games, so I rarely feel disappointed.
pastel tiger
thats a good stance i guess
north torrent
Having a lot of money on the line people would rather follow the 'formula' than risk making a 'game'.
pearl elk
Uncharted The Lost Legacy made some questionable decisions too but the story was decent, same with the voice acting
The bit at the end where you have to babysit 2 NPCs was murder, its bad enough with one in your ear all the time
zinc matrix
oMg
mossy nexus
we should ditch the term "AAA" it means nothing these days. Stick to saying something like Large company with tens of thousands of employees make another average game. ๐
north torrent
It mean Always Apparently Average...
mossy nexus
lol
pearl elk
Megacorp\
north torrent
I still want to make a game called Electroni Carts.
pearl elk
Can I be Maccaroni Andretti?
north torrent
If you want.
mossy nexus
Your cart game would need to be full of microtransactions though ๐
sage tendon
"Ah Another Atrocity"-game
pearl elk
$100 for a purple shell
north torrent
Speaking of EA, I need to go take my trash to the curb.
sage tendon
Full game included, except the main menu which is a DLC on release
pearl elk
nextgen EA... everything we did last gen just more shine
mossy nexus
I've always liked the idea of making a game where every single item in only available via microtransactions. Just to really mock the whole thing.
Ran out of ammo? Only $0.50 a bullet.
pearl elk
I always wanted to make a game where you have to buy the quit button
inner cloud
@pastel tiger I watched some of the stream of last of us
and well story was a bit boring to be honest ๐
and they destroy beloved characters from first game
north torrent
Watching streams of a game sounds boring by nature though...
inner cloud
ye watched 1 hour out of 16/17
cause its kinda boring ๐
some games are fun to watch and some not
some are fun to play and not fun to watch
or the other way
zinc matrix
i wonder why my parents always argue when they have weekend
wise harbor
@zinc matrix what kind of answer do you want? lol
wise harbor
I was thinking along the lines of "how realistic and brutally honest do you want us to be"
pearl elk
I was born with a problem, its called nofilter disease
wise harbor
lmao
north torrent
Something in my trash smells really bad...
pearl elk
I think that might be left overs from someones MMO
inner cloud
@zinc matrix oh maybe you told them you are working on moba or mmorpg
and now they are worried
I remember when told my family 10 years ago I was working on a game
they werent too supporting ๐
north torrent
My mom never cared that I was working on games as long as I had a real job.
Then I got a job in the game industry.
Then I quit the game industry.
inner cloud
I dont want to quit game industry, but well perhaps switch to my own project instead of jobs
because working in other studios and depending on someone elses business isnt too nice
pearl elk
I never had a real job, Ive lived at home for the past 39yrs
Its really cool cuz I get free food, dont have any bills, get all my clothes washed and ironed
I feel like a real rich person almost
north torrent
I'm happier out of the game industry, but that's just me.
zinc matrix
@pearl elk really?
pearl elk
this one time my mum tried to make me ham steaks for dinner so I fired her
zinc matrix
how do you contribute
inner cloud
he has many game ideas
foggy path
he provides the memes
inner cloud
contributing with them
pearl elk
I contribute with my aura of pure awesomeness
everyone is better just for being around me
inner cloud
actually parents are like that
pastel tiger
TIL you pronounce "Thames" like "Tems" ๐ง
pearl elk
some days I emanate so much awesome that MMOs just appear asking me to release em
zinc matrix
monsiur
north torrent
My job is telling people who know how to make games what they should add to their games to make them good.
pearl elk
some might call it a gift but I'll tell you now its a curse
foggy path
you should put Danny Trejo in your game
I've heard he does student film appearances for like 100 bucks
man, I'm finding myself doing some larger changes by just duplicating actors or functions because the undo system is so bad in UE :P
sage tendon
I always thought that the undo system was made do be some what of a punishment for messing up
pearl elk
Good you need to scrub that smell of noob off your ass
north torrent
Moooo
covert nebula
lol
pearl elk
Man these dash cam videos give me little faith in humanity
zinc matrix
Has anyone else also ever though about constexpr blueprint functions? The return value would act as a compile-time constant...
Then just strictly limit your possible usable nodes to nodes that can be evaluated at compile time inside a function like that.
foggy path
does the BP compiler actually do that advanced analysis?
it it doesn't it seems like it would be a fairly major task to implement
zinc matrix
Basic calculation things aside (like float + float), for user defined functions, it could just be a flag like pureness.
foggy path
Does the pure flag actually do something else than make the function evaluate for every output connection?
at least that was my understanding that it doesn't actually do anything else
foggy path
yeah so adding another flag which also needs to do compile time evaluation seems a bit more complex to implement
zinc matrix
If it's worth impementing is debatable. Feels like the run-time performance loss is not really concerning. For performance critical things, c++ would be the way anyway. But it would still be a nice feature
pearl elk
Thought about it but forgot about it cuz I can simply compile a C++ plugin with a BP function pointing to a constexpr
fathom wadi
Twitter
that link is worth checking btw. It's one of the greatest video enhancements in history.
foggy path
The joke is that they can't even upload a video that doesn't buffer the whole time on their website and yet they're working on some fucking magic like that
Oh actually it might be just Chrome being shit because it works fine as long as it isn't fullscreened...
fathom wadi
I imagined that tech when I was a kid. I specifically remember thinking about it whilst I was playing with Deluxe Paint III on my Amiga. Not sure what sparked the idea but it always seemed like 3d video would be some sliced affair. I just never imagined it would be AI driven with sliced procedurally generated meshes. Amazing.
pearl elk
I dont get it
foggy path
I mean it seems to map video into 3D surfaces
Which allows at least some free movement in 3D, unlike the typical stereoscopic video which only allows head rotation
fathom wadi
yeah you can zoom into a video and still rotate it without temporal aliasing. It's insane really. Perhaps a one-trick pony, but adapated into apps and phones, it can be amazing. Especially when you take it to another level with multiple cameras. Increase the range and scope of movement and rotation in a video. I remember putting it with an idea of using video capture to create scenes for games. Probably inspired by things like Mad Dog McCree and the other VCD arcade games.
foggy path
Well if it is I'm glad something good came out of those garbage fire FMV games lol
fathom wadi
I liked mad dog mccree tbh. It did what it said on the tin. Let you shoot people. There was an FMV hologram game by SEGA once that was a real 10p stealer. Hologram Time Traveller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI6h0Sg73yw
foggy path
lol that looks pretty goofy
How does that even play, it's kind of hard to tell from the video
I guess it's kinda like QTE's?
fathom wadi
yeah. You had a joystick and two buttons iirc. You had to do a kind of Space Ace / Dragon's Lair type QTE
foggy path
There's a couple kinda decent FMV adventure games I guess
Tex Murphy used them and Harvester
But a lot of the more heavily FMV based ones were pretty bad, like The Daedalus Encounter, or Star Trek Borg
although to be fair Borg was nowhere near as bad as Daedalus lol
pearl elk
Aww cmon Frankenstein: Through the Eyes of the Monster was a masterpiece
What about 7th Guest or Phantasmagoria
foggy path
I haven't played either of those but I watched a friend play through them... or at least attempt to
He got super fucking frustrated with 7th Guest because of the puzzles lol
pearl elk
7th Guest is difficult lol
foggy path
It's funny because a lot of people seem to say 7th Guest is good but he hates it with a passion :D
pearl elk
11th Hour was alittle bit easier
Well if you dont like puzzles you wont like most of the FMV games
foggy path
Harvester is pretty much the one I'd suggest folks to check out tho, it's just so bizarre
It gets even weirder because the guy who plays the main character in it actually went to prison for child porn or something like this... in context of the kind of role he plays in Harvester it's kinda like... wait he really was a weirdo like that? :D
pearl elk
Must be friends with Randy ๐ฎ
wet horizon
what the actual f*** someone logged into my google account
pearl elk
oh yeah sorry bout that, was an accident
foggy path
Time to turn on 2FA
pearl elk
I guess Netball is the sport of the future since its got social distancing in the rules ๐
sage tendon
no
zinc matrix
@sage tendon all is done
except map
map is less than a day of work
i also have to register
domain
make discord
twitter fb
that crap
you wanna join me in my kingdom???
sage tendon
no
zinc matrix
why not
pearl elk
You need to buy another enter key cuz you dont use the one you have enough
sage tendon
its a empty kingdom
zinc matrix
what if it will be full of people
pearl elk
Its a MO
zinc matrix
MORPG
pearl elk
but you cant use that cuz its my initials
sage tendon
massive online rpg?
sage tendon
multiplayer online rpg?
zinc matrix
yes
pearl elk
TMOG
sage tendon
what about quests, classes, raids and items?
pearl elk
Tiny Multiplayer Online Game
zinc matrix
@sage tendon donthave these
pearl elk
pffft who needs raids when you have an economy
zinc matrix
have items though
pearl elk
I just log in to use the auction house
pearl elk
Yeah its 2020, we have vision
sage tendon
so... what to do without quests?
pearl elk
You get XP for hitting enter obviously
sage tendon
what do you use for db?
zinc matrix
oh i tried mongodb but it was annoying
long syntax to retrieve
simple
data
so i store
it all
on HDD
pearl elk
He uses a stack of enter keys
sage tendon
like in txt files?
zinc matrix
in json
remco
now, now, theres no need to be jealous
truth be told
not everyone was destined to be successful
pearl elk
some are destined to blow out their enter button instead
zinc matrix
yes
zinc matrix
no
pearl elk
Maybe... but no
sage tendon
@zinc matrix im using mariadb
soft night
using EF core
pearl elk
Hows things @soft night, feeling better today?
soft night
i was release the steam on cottage
pearl elk
Its not like you to get heated over MS things, thats my job ๐
soft night
Mons: i get heated from them time to time recently
pearl elk
Hope its nothing too serious, stress can have a real impact which is why Im so zen now oooohhhmm
zinc matrix
ohm
pearl elk
Id imagine some channels can be like the wild west in comparison to here, this place is pretty well structured
You dont really want the KKK using discord for their meetings aye
I doubt they'll be spying on direct messages
kinda ruins their ethical stance
sage tendon
imho, its more of an attack on language than freespeech
pearl elk
free speech only goes so far
sage tendon
language is the foundation of expressing yourself, from large circles to your most private circles, freespeech is a public thing
pearl elk
slander, libel, hate speech and some others arnt protected even if you try to say its parody
sage tendon
there is a difference in that
pearl elk
Im sure by racial slurs they mean good and proper insults not just petty stuff
sage tendon
try the n-word as a white person on stage and do it as a black person
there will be a big difference
pearl elk
If you cant do comedy without racial slurs then youre not very good
sage tendon
thats difference on language and freedom of speech
pearl elk
who said you cant be an asshole? you just cant be a racist asshole ๐
foggy path
You think you have privacy when you're using the services provided by a for profit company? :P
pearl elk
the difference is the fucking
sage tendon
its the difference of respectful and disrespectful
foggy path
Why do people take these things so personally?
It's like "I'm not a racist but I want people to be able to use the n word"
?????
I don't understand
:P
So your friends are racists?
sage tendon
my stance is, all words should be usable by everyone
pearl elk
Its not just the n word, us Aussies have a slang for every different type of human
foggy path
Are you 13? lol
pearl elk
some more offensive than others, I wont say for obvious reasons
pom and yank are pretty timid
there are slurs for jewish peoples, all sorts of asian slurs etc
foggy path
How would you know?
sage tendon
i think that every area have words to call people from different areas
foggy path
Honestly I still don't understand why you are so upset about this Koi... you really want to use the n word that much?
I'm pretty sure it's because of racist fuckers using discord
pearl elk
seriously what have you lost in all of this?
sage tendon
@foggy path well, to give a depth to the topic, what about this situation: https://youtu.be/KEcugkqcHO8
sage tendon
zinc matrix
NOTHINK
foggy path
@sage tendon well that's his own fucking stupidity for writing those lyrics in the first place if he doesn't want folks imitating it
pearl elk
Its not always a slippery slope, cuz your parents stopped you swearing as a kid did it really have a big impact over time?
sage tendon
not to be specific on "want to use", but in the broad sense of generic use of such words that invoke public responses that like
foggy path
I wonder what those greater consequences you're so worried about are
That people stop using the n word?
That would be a pretty great consequence
pearl elk
We learn that words have more impact when used sparsely anyways so most of what will happen is young kids will get ban hammered for being idiots and not knowing what theyre saying
foggy path
So you're afraid that if you completely by accident use the n word
You'll be labeled?
No it doesn't lol
Unless you're a fucking moron
It's 6 keystrokes it doesn't just happen by accident
pearl elk
autocomplete aaarghh hehe jk
foggy path
Well if it's used by intention then you're an idiot also
pearl elk
I was trying to type nigeria
foggy path
I'm pretty fine labeling people as idiots if they behave like idiots
Not really, it's feeding the cycle of showing people that being an idiot is not okay
sage tendon
lets see what the colonization of mars will do for mankind
pearl elk
*humankind
foggy path
tee he
sage tendon
ah yes, sorry, didnt want to exclude
foggy path
Increasing tensions of who?
tensions of idiots and non idiots?
Because they use racist slurs
That's pretty obvious lol
Are you still suggesting that you accidentally will type a six letter word?
pearl elk
We have had a whole big conversation about racial slurs without saying one ๐
sage tendon
if people want to use words to hurt an other person, they should just wish them diseases like any sane Dutch person would do
foggy path
In a way I agree with you Koi
You should be able to say whatever the fuck you please as long as you're not saying it with intention of hurting someone with it
But sadly the world is not such a simple place
if you think the word means nothing, then why do you insist on using it
sage tendon
@tough sierra Some words have more symbolic values than just words, like statues represents something else than just stone
foggy path
If it's a meaningless word, then using something else should be pretty easy
pearl elk
Because its just a word doesnt mean you can just throw it around
deep glen
byeee
foggy path
RIP
I definitely saw that coming, I was debating on warning him that it might not be a good idea
But I suspect he wouldn't have changed anything :P
pearl elk
Shame, they were quite a productive member for awhile
sage tendon
we missed you
deep glen
I miss you all too, but I need an afk-moment hehe
sage tendon
thats ok, just take your mouse and screen with you
deep glen
oh im at the computer, just playing games mostly
pearl elk
Not my fault... for a change ๐
deep glen
offensive stuff like that could --in the near future-- get your discord channel removed if you dont do anything against such people.
sage tendon
age thing?
foggy path
There's an age limit of I think 13 to use Discord
If you admit to being under the age limit on a server, the server could get into trouble
sage tendon
isnt that because of that child protection act?
foggy path
Unless you throw you out
sage tendon
damn
foggy path
Yeah I mean I don't know the source of the age limit but either way the servers can get into trouble for not acting on such knowledge from what I understand
Seen some admins on other servers talk about it on a couple occasions
foggy path
Well without mentioning any ages just make sure to inform him to not disclose his age on any servers lol
sage tendon
aye
pearl elk
Not just child protection, anyone under that age cant legally enter the contracts put forward by companies such as Discord etc
zinc matrix
i would be a bad dad
sage tendon
there is this wide button your keyboard, its called a spacebar
zinc matrix
yeah sorry its just coffe effects on me
sage tendon
you can use it to add space between words
when you formed a sentence, then press enter
sage tendon
well, do your best
zinc matrix
remco
but
i have toadd
things for premium playes
mhmhm
i dont liek it
what can I add..
spaceships? cosmos?
id rather make it not pay2win
pearl elk
cone to you, to you and you
sage tendon
Some exp bonus maybe?
pearl elk
set mounts, you have to collect pieces ๐
but ofcoarse I dont want to beat a dead horse
zinc matrix
can that mount
be human?
i would do that
but have no horse
animations
btw...
butthen
theyire tied to horse model iirc
wut
impossible
pearl elk
Lych horse
zinc matrix
just ordered these bumper stickers for my parents as late Mother and Father's Day gifts
north torrent
Not Decepticons?
foggy path
I was thinking about ordering a good ol' Turbo badge
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H23a9908334c94ae8a406a032fcdfe69ag.jpg can get one of these for like two bucks from aliexpress lol
Needless to say, my car does not have a turbo
viscid solstice
G'day, new to the server and UE4 in general, and I wanna do Modding on a game gonna be out soon but I am a rookie in every sense of the word, anyone wanna share some sage advice?
Game is Dead Matter and I wanna make a Metro 2033 mod...
zinc matrix
i need to do pushups of shame daily routine.....
im bored
how do you guys
not feel
bored
when being nerds
north torrent
By building videogames.
zinc matrix
true
but theres time when ur sad
and bored
and its before i drink coffee/when it stops working (evening)
north torrent
I like cute anime with fluffy animals and nice people learning wholesome life lessons.
viscid solstice
Ugh. Slice of lifer... not just that a cheesy one too. Lol ๐
@north torrent Then I'd suggest Beastars if you haven't seen it...
https://youtu.be/qU46kgtDExo
It's like Zootopia only more grit
north torrent
I also like Disney movies.
north torrent
My English name, no.
north torrent
I want a sing along number in my game...
zinc matrix
i have bad jeans and theyre itching me when i sit
El Mao
now that i write your name correctly
are we friends
north torrent
There is nothing inappropriate about removing uncomfortable clothing.
Nobody is going to watch you.
zinc matrix
yeah but you said that in commanding manner. i have good news for you though
that
in two days
maximum... will be the BIG day
do you know what day is it
north torrent
The manner that you assume I said something has no bearing on me.
north torrent
It isn't payday, so it isn't a big day for me.
zinc matrix
big day in my life
zinc matrix
honestly, not, I will not celebrate
I will just try to come up with new plan
which will be either.. eXPANsION... or.. reCREATIon...
or both in same time
north torrent
Adding core mechanics?
zinc matrix
core mechanics are there though
north torrent
Walking around is not a core mechanic.
zinc matrix
by expansion i mean things like adding more mechanics to game, spaceships and the like and some premium content.
by recreation i mean recreating whole game from scratch but doing it better for performance and readability. however im not sure I know c#,unity and frameworks I use well enough to write a proper clean recreation
worst case scenario i rewrite everything but with poor style
sage tendon
so you havent released the game yet, but you already speak of the recreating whole game from scratch remastering?
zinc matrix
Y.E.S
well, I have to do something
I guess then Ill just keep adding things
to game
sage tendon
classic karol
sage tendon
maybe, just a wild idea, fix issues like performance before releasing it in the first place
north torrent
He made a prototype.
Which would be much easier to praise if he didn't think he made an entire MMO...
Finishing a prototype and being able to put it out for testing is a great thing and something one can be proud of.
But then he opens his mouth again... and you realize he doesn't understand what he has made...
sage tendon
i know, i know, its unheard of
well, if you make a MMO but store the data in json files instead of a normal database, well...
zinc matrix
in json is just matter of System.IO.File.Read("path)
sage tendon
yea but no pooling
if the file is open, nothing else can access it
so good luck updating 1000 rows in 1 file in 1 second
zinc matrix
hmm
north torrent
What flavor of Cheetos should I eat, Mr. Remco. Chicken flavored or Steak flavored?
sage tendon
or your mmo supports only 1 player, which is basically just a single player game
Mr Mao, Cheetos are an abomination of the salty snacks and sincerely urge to choose Nibbits instead
north torrent
Don't think they have those in China.
I have beef stew flavored Lays potato chips.
sage tendon
๐ค why does google ask if I ment Rabbits instead of Nibbits?
north torrent
You can buy rabbits in China, but I don't recommend it.
sage tendon
I heard that there is a rabbit specie that produces an excellent fabric for clothes
sage tendon
I tried, but after wearing them for a few minutes they revert back to their previous states (basically just pieces of cloth)
zinc matrix
hi
carmine frigate
Json isnt that bad if u structure things proper
if it gets pretty big u also have to store things double
real time database is prolly better tho
zinc matrix
he laughs who laughs last
come on buddy boyyo
this is the TIME.. of mmo.. sponsored by JSON...
sage tendon
he laughs who laughs last
is the slowest to get it?
carmine frigate
i got those blocked ๐
north torrent
I want chocolate...
sage tendon
razor software is getting annoying, wanting to be more of a social media than just software to lit my keyboard -.-
zinc matrix
lol remco
sage tendon
Mr @north torrent I recommend Milka Alpine Milk
pearl elk
social keyboard lighting
zinc matrix
social keyboard
social buttons
social enter
i need to
get to coding
or level design
rather
but
sage tendon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubHSQ-wu7hw amazing performance
inner cloud
@sage tendon the dude on the right looks like connor mcgregor
pearl elk
so thats what he's been doing since he retired from UFC
man imagine if fantasy games had soundtracks like this
inner cloud
well many games have better soundtrack
I mean Howard Shore is amazing
but its hobbit not lotr ๐
pearl elk
Its technically incorrect though, shouldnt he be singing in dwarf language ๐
inner cloud
cant remember the hobbit
they might have singed it in english
from what I remember
pearl elk
Possible, I know they have their own language but they dont share it
inner cloud
ye they did sing it at bilbo house too
north torrent
Oboe solo.
inner cloud
so they used common tongue ๐
since hobbits did use it as well
hobbits did have their own thing in the past as well
but they adjusted to hoomans too
despite not having much in common with them ๐
pearl elk
funny how they all speak the kings english isnt it
even the humans have their own tribes yet there is very few slang terms or local dialects to seperate em, unlike the elves
north torrent
Unless your day job is a linguist I don't see adding multiple languages to a fantasy world as a benefit.
pearl elk
well Tolkien's specialty was language
north torrent
That's why he is the exception.
pearl elk
I certainly appreciate that Game of Thrones is entirely in English, it makes it easier to consume but not sure if it hurts the world building. Id perhaps say yes, in comparison to LOTR it seems thin
Its like a burger, you can use cheap mince but once you had that sweet wagyu you know what youre missing out on
north torrent
I think if George RR Martin had tried to make a language however, it wouldn't work well.
pearl elk
lol imagine how long it woulda taken him to finish a book ๐
pearl elk
I cant remember any english lines from Excalibur off the top of my head but I can recite the charm of making
zinc matrix
fluid bloom
airs in an hour or so
for those that have no idea what: it's a documentary about ww2 and it follows the events on a week by week basis
so it has been going on for two years now ๐
north torrent
Looks like Montana.
No.
The big empty state with lots of cows and snow.
It is like the Star Citizen of states. Very big and very empty.
How is that different than normal Jesus?
zinc matrix
John?
sage tendon
@north torrent the Jesus Moose cant convert water to wine
pearl elk
The Moose told you it was water
@zinc matrix nice map seam
exactly just build a wall over the seam, problem solvered
proven thorn
Hey Mons
pearl elk
Sup @proven thorn ๐
proven thorn
Late night dinner before bed, you?
pearl elk
Just settling in for a night of typing a 1500 word essay on business management yay
proven thorn
That sounds like a lot of fun.
fluid bloom
no more essays for me since my master's thesis was accepted
pearl elk
lol well its not as bad as it sounds, its about effective workplace relationships so its a good learning experience. Thankfully Im past all the legal stuff
proven thorn
I've recently been integrating a new UI system into UE3. Times like this I wish I could just back port UMG to UE3.
pearl elk
You still working on uWindows then hehe
pearl elk
So why UE3, Im guessing theres some constraint there otherwise you'd be using UE4
proven thorn
Depth is still selling.
pearl elk
ahh fair enough, least youre not working with scaleform I suppose ๐
proven thorn
That's what we are replacing.
Players have been complaining about hitches for a long time.
pearl elk
I cant believe BL3 implemented Scaleform in UE4 instead of replacing it
proven thorn
We thought it was memory, GPU and so forth
But profiling, and it was just Scaleform
pearl elk
It'll be the DOM, its just too heavy
proven thorn
Doing simple things like button hovers would spike our game thread time to 80ms
pearl elk
so basically like Epic Launcher ๐
pearl elk
I think its brilliant youre going to fix it up though rather than simply saying oh here buy Depth 2 its bigger badder etc
proven thorn
I would love to do a Depth 2, but Depth has a lot of content these days
And a lot of us having been working on that game for ages now.
I think I have worked on it for almost a decade now.
We can probably improve stuff like add in PBR into UE3. That'd be fun to do.
pearl elk
Its a good thing though, much better than just kicking it out the door and calling it quits after a year. It shows you guys are invested just as much in the game as the players, thats a nice peace of mind for them.