lounge

[north torrent]

So the Mass Effect franchise includes two of my favorite games ever. The dialogue wheel in Mass Effect is one of the core things I want to improve upon as a game designer.

However I do see a fatal flaw in the way that Bioware addressed morality in said games.

They did not ask you, "How do you want to solve blah blah blah problem" and let you try to figure out what would be best for everyone or what would create chaos.

They ask you, "do you want to do the good guy thing or the bad guy thing" and then you get to see what the good guy thing or the bad guy thing is.

So you don't have to think about what would be the good guy thing to do if that is your goal. You don't have to weigh the options and figure out what choice is moral.

[plucky pagoda]

yeah , i thought it was funny and that's why I picked that image to paste

[pearl elk]

Dynamic stories are a really tricky thing not many people approach, when they do it tends to be a split linear where the beats are all predefined but you can use different paths to get there.

[north torrent]

For me, making stories that branch isn't really the focus.

It is more making the player think about what he/she needs to do.

[pearl elk]

Well if the player has more control over the character ideally the beats would adjust based on input

[plucky pagoda]

You can have an overall story arc , and mini arcs within it. With a game I don't think everything has to always follow a whole arc either. There's a lot of room for being creative with it.

The mind expects certain patterns, knowing them can help make a game or story more engaging.

[north torrent]

I am not sure if all arcs need to be made up of pre-written dialogue and voice acting.

I like to brainstorm ways to make the player experience a flaw systematically as opposed to relying only on a massive writing team to write ever possible outcome.

[pearl elk]

I want to procedurally generate story arcs 🙂

If its one thing computers are really good at its patterns

[north torrent]

If a character is an alcoholic for example and a game has a mechanic for the character to eat and drink, then you can make the player experience it as opposed to tell it through a story.

[pearl elk]

Well that would be a proper role play then more inline with traditional table top games rather than these spreadsheets pretending to be RPGs 🙂

[north torrent]

But my real focus is on making dialogue that is the mechanic of the game.

Conversations that are just as much strategy as a boss fight.

Moving away from giving the player a "oh, you win without having to play because you have blah blah blah speech statistic" or "Here is the good guy option" and "Here is the bad guy option".

I want to focus the choices I give the player on either being passive, neutral, or aggressive... As well as agree or disagree.

Then the player gets to decide if being aggressive at this time is a good guy or bad guy behavior.

But sticking to those simplistic options isn't the extent, just the skeleton of what I want to do.

And I want to use more body language as it just requires a generic repeatable animation as opposed to needing new voice acting and dialogue. So in any case where I can get away with no talking, I sure as hell will.

The other stuff about dynamic story arcs is a bit beyond my scope.

[pearl elk]

The way I see it every conversation generates a set of data points which can be combined with the gameplays data points to generate the beats based on that data as an input

If a character is aggressive with you or you upset them then obviously no missions should be generated for them in regards to helping them. You could change their mind throughout the course of the game though unlocking missions, the thing is since its dynamic those missions cant be set in stone, they have to match the current act of the game and contribute to the furthering of the story in some way if even minor.

[north torrent]

I think a big part of making more... I guess you would call it 'procedural' type content that actually fits the narrative feel, is having better stats for conversations.

If the npc just has a like/hate meter, that is a bit too limiting to get accurate results.

I think you can enjoy being around a person while also not trusting them on a professional level. So maybe if you have taken actions to become friends with Fred but have shown yourself horrible at completing missions, you will only receive lighter missions such as, go pick up a pizza.

[pearl elk]

this whole idea of main quest and side missions needs to go, sure it works for an arcade game but when attempting to be more grounded each decision the player makes should have an impact. You need it to be dynamic or it'll be so unforgiving to anyone who hasnt played before to know when and where to be

[north torrent]

Or if you a commander shitface but you are damn good at your job, people may hate you and never want to talk to you, but they will certainly come to you when a mission needs done.

[pearl elk]

by the time the player knows when and where to be the game falls flat and is just a boring generic loop theyve played out thousands of times already

[north torrent]

I think you really need 3 different meters. I have however gone back and forth on what those 3 meters should be.

I've also debated on whether or not every character should have the same 3 meters that they judge a player based on, or if those things could mean different things to different people.

In the blueprint I have, it tracks the same 3 stats for every NPC, but during the writing phase I can certainly tweak what those means and what actions will cause that character to gain or lose stats.

But another thing I constantly think about is recycling content. Players will miss at least 50% of a game that has many choices. Some things obviously can't be recycled, but if you just missed blah blah blah because you were busy doing a smoothie delivery mission, then there is no reason you shouldn't be able to recycle that content back in somewhere.

So I have simply been trying to blueprint out a way to have a 'tank' or dialogue that got passed up and can be pulled up later during idol parts of the game.

Not sure if it will work or not, but that's what prototyping is for.

[pearl elk]

Yeah its a tricky one but I noticed that with generated missions you can avoid issues where certain missions get locked away or inaccessible even those walls that say this is a point of no return do you want to continue

The issue then becomes generating interesting story missions that work well, if we are using current game side missions as any bar that shouldnt be too tricky 😛

[zinc matrix]

e

i need to move my ass from sofa

but im so TIRED!!

or rather no dopamine

[soft night]

i am in furious state

[pearl elk]

whys that?

[soft night]

changes what microsoft is making what is directly relate to me and i am totally like not communicated things and I see world going not to smart direction

when also cant do anything and feel more alone than ever so all the fury just made me destroy one of the mirrors in the wall with palm

[pearl elk]

Wow that bad, dont hurt yourself on their account though

[grave sleet]

@soft night I guess it's "Rest in pieces dear mirror" then

[soft night]

i have done that with tempered glass and it went to pieces too

similar fashion back in the day

that time i was late as overslept so going out and door came too fast when it was closed so reaction with palm to door window and that window got smashed

[north torrent]

I watched an episode of Peppa Pig today, so remember that things can always get worse.

[dusky shuttle]

I am looking for a good Bluetooth home speaker, any suggestions?

[zinc matrix]

hey guys

can we be friends?

[north torrent]

I have never had good luck with Windows and Bluetooth... sigh...

Some day my Bluetooth mouth just disappears on me and I simply can't use my computer until I go find another mouse to plug in and fix the issue.

I have to disconnect and reconnect my Bluetooth headphones on average 3 or 4 times a week to get sound.

[thorny dock]

"i bought crumpet toast and never looked back, fuck conventional crumpets"

• some DJ

[north torrent]

Never had a crumpet.

[thorny dock]

also search your mobo and update the bluetooth drivers, I was having all sorts of issues until I updated the intel bluetooth driver

[north torrent]

Can you play the trumpet, Mr. Slim?

[thorny dock]

i've never had crumpets either, so I was taken back for a second when I heard "crumpet toast"

[north torrent]

I was teaching my students about body language in Communications class, and I had them try to make scenes based on just looking at the body language in the picture...

Well, the student playing Donald T Rump and the student playing Putin ended up beating each other with sticks and I had to break up the fight...

[thorny dock]

were you playing as the UK? 😉

also my internet went out at the worst time, because while I can't play the trumpet, I CAN, and did install this morrowind mod, which is just about the same thing

meta from modnexus

[zinc matrix]

guys

[north torrent]

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.07/article/5b4cdad5dda4c82e428b45cc.jpg

[zinc matrix]

was Adam and Ewa siblings?

but they were also a couple

i dont get it

[north torrent]

This was the image they were supposed to analyze.

What the hell are you even talking about, Karol.

Eve was created from Adam's rib in the story.

[zinc matrix]

yes

but their sons and daufthers

were siblings then

but also a couple

[thorny dock]

that video is a deepfake test undoubtedly

something is just weird about it and it's not the resolution

[zinc matrix]

XD lol ponkkis

[north torrent]

It is a story, Karol...

[zinc matrix]

but many people believe it

[north torrent]

Can't help that.

[foggy path]

Manipulated media

lul

s/ironic/idiotic

:P

[north torrent]

Have you ever watched Peppa Pig, Mr. Ponkkis?

I don't recommend it.

[proper raptor]

heya

[foggy path]

seems hard to recommend a children's show like that to adults...

:D

[proper raptor]

Anyone here uses Clip Studio Paint ?

[north torrent]

I just own scissors.

[foggy path]

Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood is the only kids show that I didn't found annoying to watch as an adult lol

[north torrent]

I work in an elementary school, so my life isn't exactly normal.

[zinc matrix]

hmm

yeah kids are awful

[north torrent]

But at least I'm not making an MMO.

[foggy path]

It's understandable why you are sometimes a bit cranky Mao lol

[zinc matrix]

why not?

youre saying like its bad thing to do

[north torrent]

There is a lot more money in teaching than making half assed MMO games.

[thorny dock]

hey now

Peppa Pig has pretty good writing honestly

[zinc matrix]

that depends if that half assed mmo makes money or it doesnt

[foggy path]

I knew a guy on IRC who was always making his own MMO, haven't really heard anything from him in years.. last I heard he had become a trucker :D

[north torrent]

Probably died of corona-virus...

[zinc matrix]

he weak willed

[mossy nexus]

or realised making a MMO as a solo dev is financial suicide.

[foggy path]

yeah I think he had to get a job to have money to not die of starvation :P

I mean if you like making an MMO then great... nothing wrong with working on ambitious projects imo

[north torrent]

Gotta have a job before you focus on your hobby.

[foggy path]

but yeah I definitely wouldn't expect money to come pouring out of that project :)

[north torrent]

Wish I was told that when I was young and stupid.

[zinc matrix]

yeah

[north torrent]

I wish someone would have told me, "Don't give up on your art, but go get a job you sort of like to make money so you don't have to feel stressed where your rent money is coming from and you can focus on said art".

Instead I was fed bullshit about "Make your hobby your career and you will be happy" which is super far from the truth in most cases.

[foggy path]

:P

It kinda depends I guess... yeah making random art probably isn't super likely to pay the bills

But doing art learns skills that could be used in say, graphics design

[north torrent]

Have you worked as a graphic designer?

It is honestly kind of soul crushing...

[foggy path]

I have worked with graphics designers

also - most jobs are soul crushing

:P

[north torrent]

I have had clients disappear owing me thousands of dollars...

Clients just don't understand good art, and when you change things to fit what they want and it bombs you still get blamed.

[foggy path]

those are things you just have to prepare for - payments up front, delivery on payment, payments by milestone on larger things..

of course shit can still happen but either way

[north torrent]

I'm just saying I was happier when I quit.

[foggy path]

well yeah, it was just an example of how a random hobby can teach skills that lead to paying work

[north torrent]

I just think that a skill like welding that isn't your hobby but could be sort of fun would make a much better job than trying to say play the trumpet as a career.

Or being a graphic designer.

[foggy path]

tbh most graphics designers I've worked with seemed to be happy with it :P

[north torrent]

I'm not saying go do a job you hate. For the most part I enjoy working with small humans. Would I do it for free? No. But it isn't bad as a job.

[foggy path]

but then again they were mostly in house designers who didn't have to run after dodgy clients the whole time

[north torrent]

Trying to make my art my job was much more miserable that just doing a job as a job.

[foggy path]

yeah it's not for everyone

[north torrent]

I just wish my school had taught me that there were other paths.

I feel like I was indoctrinated for the first 18 years of my life and then punished for it as soon as I graduated from college like I was told.

[foggy path]

luck of the draw, at least you found something you like

say you had gone out of school to teach kids maybe you would have been wondering if doing graphics design would have been better

[north torrent]

Better to wonder with money in your pocket than to wonder with no money in your pocket.

[pearl elk]

I got some facts to share

In the past 50yrs conservatives have held the leadership in US and Australia considerably longer than their opposition at a ratio of about 60/40

Wonder if it'd be the same in the UK 🙂

[pearl elk]

Oh man The Hobbit died 😦

[mossy nexus]

what hobbit?

[pearl elk]

Ian Holm

[mossy nexus]

Ahh. 88 it's not a bad innings

[pearl elk]

Apparently he's had Parkinson's for awhile, not too shabby

Whos gonna play Corneleoos in the 6th Element tho

[zinc matrix]

https://i.imgur.com/sYdjB8r.png

ngl i luv it

[uncut otter]

my god... i hope the internet doesn't explode on me for making this but cmon its hillarious, and maybe true?

[pearl elk]

I think I know a way to defeat Trump

We have to...

Unite the Karens under one banner

[zinc matrix]

hello

[uncut otter]

hi

[pearl elk]

hi

[tulip orbit]

high

[uncut otter]

nommmsayin

[pearl elk]

aaaaightmane

https://tenor.com/view/wasa-mask-on-the-phone-chat-talking-gif-5466375

[uncut otter]

phone tastes like vanilla ice cream is my assumption

possibly icecream sammich in disguise

[pearl elk]

I lick everything, just to be sure

I accidently preordered a PS5 cuz I thought it was an icecream sandwich 😮

[uncut otter]

i beleive it. but man thats expensive icecream

[pearl elk]

it'll win awards for icecream with the best SSD

The X-Blocks just arnt as popular with their minty flavour

[zinc matrix]

yo monsop

you know what the streets say?

"play johns game"

[uncut otter]

true and the chips are pretty limited in xblocks mint

[pearl elk]

really hope MS gets rid of that silly thing which says you gotta develop for XBO

gonna be crazy if people are trying to support all the things

[fathom wadi]

just create a plugin that adds support and does nothing. Then sell it

[proven thorn]

Sounds like that $1000 app that showed a picture of a diamond

[pearl elk]

Well if an elephant can sell its paintings, anything is possible

[fathom wadi]

hey my ex had a weight problem and her pictures are lovely I'll have you know !

wait can we still make fat jokes these days?

[proven thorn]

Can't joke about anything these days.

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/hx41yXb.jpg

[pearl elk]

Hmm let me ask your mum if we can joke about her weight 😉

I watched Top Secret the other night, man thats so hilarious

[fathom wadi]

I love the bit with Peter Cushing when he's looking through the eyeglass

and the bit where he is painting a scene from the train window and his painting is blurred because hes travelling too fast.

[pearl elk]

I like it when nothing is off limits, if you take the piss out of everyone equally then really no one has the right to complain. Thats what makes Space Balls so great, Mel Brooks even takes the piss out of him being Jewish

[fathom wadi]

yeah mel brooks is the king

zucker abrahams and zucker always had a style that tickled me though. the quick one liners and quips that you can miss if you dont pay attention are brilliant

[pearl elk]

Yeah I think many people cant get past the silliness to really see the comedy genius

[fathom wadi]

well my entire life ethos is based on quips and jokes. Probably why a lot of people tend to think im stupid. I can't let a joke pass

[pearl elk]

Its not always whats most apparent which is the best bit

Theres one bit in Top Secret he says "oh sorry I dont speak German" but earlier in the movie he's taking lessons and speaking it just fine lol

[fathom wadi]

lol

the bit with Peter Cushing where they are speaking backwards is interesting because they actually filmed it backwards and reversed it to play forwards. Pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czuC1LWcPMc

Do you ever see this on your steam friends list and you just know the person is dead?

[pearl elk]

Ive seen people offline longer

[fathom wadi]

me too but when you know the person and you know they don't sit offline for 6 months at a time, you just know they are dead or something. Makes me melancholy

[uncut otter]

Usually a sign if kids

🙂

[fathom wadi]

I have 5 kids, if it wasn't for steam and my games collection, I would have 0 kids and a prison sentence :p

[uncut otter]

I hear that

But I don't think ppl in here are normies 🙂

Also maybe they went console only

A lot of lame ppl in the world

Gamedev keeps me busy and away from my nephews constant questions. When he gets interested in making game then ill be his bff

[fathom wadi]

my kids are into game dev... but they never ask me anything. They just turn up out of the blue with a Blender piece or some manually keyframed animation. So I do what's best for them and tell them they will never make it in AAA, sign them upto a contract that I cannot uphold, make them do overtime they dont get paid for, dont want to do, and then call it "crunch" to make it sound worse than it is.

[pearl elk]

so thats where you get all your IP from

[fathom wadi]

yeah. My best seller "Daddy? Why do you make us work in the dark?" went gold based on the pocket money savings alone

[uncut otter]

That's like saying go be a streamer

🙂

[fathom wadi]

I would be a streamer but I have a personality that either a. makes people laugh or want to bang me, or b. makes people angry and want to bang me out.

[pearl elk]

I cant afford hair dye

[fathom wadi]

my head is so old, I barely need it anymore

[uncut otter]

Kids love the white in my beard

[proud pier]

Heh, not sure if anyone else has a demo or something on the #SteamGameFestival https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/hc2vkh/neko_ghost_jump_steamgamefestival_participant_1/

[uncut otter]

It's like santa

[proud pier]

But here are some random stats

[fathom wadi]

my beard is turning white now. in patches. So I pretend I take facials for a living.

[pearl elk]

Well I suck at that game, everyone died gah

[uncut otter]

Same patch mc patch patch

[pearl elk]

my beard has a day 0 patch

[tough sierra]

Here's why I don't understand double spacing after every function all the dang time like most people would do it.

Because if you're careful, you can group your functions easier by only double endlining when ideal.

[tulip orbit]

I double space (on the rare occasions I do code) for readability, easier to see where functions start/end with the extra space

[tough sierra]

But to me that's not a problem

I can clearly see the }

Doing this makes it easier for me to see how functions relate to eachother.

Which when i'm browsing code that's where most of my time goes, figuring out function relationships to see where I need to look around.

[zinc matrix]

guys

[tough sierra]

That and all the extra endlines make it take longer to browse.

[zinc matrix]

do you like it https://i.imgur.com/m0GhXYN.png

[tulip orbit]

shrugs to each his own I guess, write your code how you want ?

[pearl elk]

I used to compress my code but it made no one want to work with me cuz my code was difficult to read

[tough sierra]

Of course it's not sensible for me to bash anyone about it, some reason it's easy for me to feel... Bothered, because i don't like the idea of having to conform to that eventually.

[pearl elk]

I just stick to the standards now even though I personally dont like em, makes it easier for everyone

These days IDEs are pretty feature rich, you can collapse any pair of braces if the space really bugs you

after moving to a vertical screen I started to care less about scrolling and extra lines. Most functions wont even fill the screen

[tough sierra]

It's more than just that though, avoiding excessive line counts in general, to make it faster to skim code.

Which is where most of one's time goes.

[pearl elk]

if you want to understand code quickly try commenting it

[tough sierra]

Oh god no

It shouldn't be commented excessivly

That's not the issue

I can quickly understand code for the most part.

[pearl elk]

I never said anything about excess

[tough sierra]

I don't like taking forever to find what i'm looking for.

[pearl elk]

seriously I dont think youve posted a single line with a comment here yet

[tough sierra]

Because it's not necessary.

Though the physics engine is hard to organize.

I'd rather make documentation giving the comments.

[pearl elk]

Im just trying to be helpful but obviously youre stuck in your ways

[tough sierra]

I'm grateful though.

[pearl elk]

Not really, you instantly dismiss any criticism

You need to be able to take it or your code wont improve, it'll just sink further into obscurity until youre the only one who can decypher it 🙂

[uncut otter]

Commenting is important, its for your own good to go back to years later if needed or for a colaborator to understand whatever your madness is 🙂

[tough sierra]

I've seen it multiple times, and it seems to be an issue of value systems, an argument about these kinds od debates doesn't settle easy because of deferring values probably.

That's what docs are for.

[uncut otter]

also career wise, if your not doing it, your code will look bad to anyone hiring.

[tough sierra]

That aside a couple here and there is fine.

[pearl elk]

Its got nothing to do with you as a person, your code doesnt define you

[tough sierra]

I'm assuming he means like every function.

[uncut otter]

you can't argue the value to a potential employeer

[pearl elk]

Im all about productivity and youre being counter productive 🙂

[zinc matrix]

youre all about shitposting

[pearl elk]

You think you arnt but statistics prove otherwise, skim reading is the smallest amount of time, bug fixing is the time sink and for that everyone needs to be on the same page

Imagine trying to work with a code base where 4 different programmers each instill these so called values onto their code

then try 40 programmers

There is a really good argument to why these standards exist

[foggy path]

The code he posted earlier looked fairly obvious as to why it's doing what it does though 🤔

[tough sierra]

Sadly yeah you have to keep a uniform code base, which is more important than someone doing their own thing even if ti's better.

[zinc matrix]

what STANDARDS?

[pearl elk]

Yes the code earlier but as I said if the argument is about skim reading a few extra lines means sweet fuck all

[foggy path]

Right

[zinc matrix]

coding my app feels like co-coding with 30 programmurs

[foggy path]

I don't think anyone's saying that commenting code that needs comments is bad

[tough sierra]

Actually that's correct.

[pearl elk]

Well somehow saying to comment code suddenly jumped to COMMENTS ARE EXCESSIVE

[tough sierra]

It's very rare for me to find the situation for it, usually it's for obscure data types.

Yeah i miss represented intention a bit.

[foggy path]

I write a lot of code that needs comments, usually because it ends up doing stuff that isn't obvious as to why it does something

[zinc matrix]

omgy

[pearl elk]

I dont think anything I said is unreasonable, for the sake of efficiency (and saving lines) done here 🙂

[uncut otter]

its cool man, we are all a bit crazy. i'm going full on gitlab /w issues for any implementation and i'm working alone bahaha

[foggy path]

There's always some non obvious reason for a lot of stuff I have to do because ha ha browsers

[tough sierra]

Oof.

C++ land for the most part I think requires a lot less comments overall. Since it's very easy to be explicit in code.

[zinc matrix]

ouoauoauaoauuua

[foggy path]

It isn't really so much about the language imo just about whether when you read the code you can tell why something is being done

[tough sierra]

Most of what'd need to be explained is really just forking example code of use a system/lib.

[uncut otter]

yeah i think thats my biggest thing about comments

[foggy path]

Code being explicit generally does not explain why unless it's doing something that's kind of obvious

[uncut otter]

i can read a statement but genreally wtf and why is never known untill i read everything

[tough sierra]

Hmm fair point. I guess most of what I write is fairly obvious, "maybe" save the custom FlatFlaggedBuffer type.

Weird to think that for engine dev though.

Maybe I got overly butt hurt cause someone mentioned something about me not posting anything with a single comment yet.

Damn that's big.

[foggy path]

we have a lot of stuff like this :P

it's fairly obvious based on names and stuff what it's doing but if you're just looking at the code you'll have no freaking idea why it needs to resize something

[tough sierra]

Ah now that makes sense.

There's data obscurity.

Wouldn't be so bad if you could easily use a "Go to declaration" IDE mechanic, then observe how the data is laid out.

Maybe even comment the data itself at those locations.

If needed.

Representation is a fair bitch to deal with in UI.

// Consider this an array of "IDs" to entities.  Exactly 32 bits large each.
// Therefore no references required.
// Honestly we might not even need this buffer but it might help later on.
entt::entity entities[max_entities];

As an example.

entt::entity is actually a basic id, but when you go to the declared location it looks like a friggin big object at first.

Kind of annoys me.

They could have named the type EntityID

[pearl elk]

Or entitties hehe

[tough sierra]

Oh shit lol

I legit thought I made a misspelling like that when you posted that, had me nervous 😛

[foggy path]

we have so many misspellings that I think one of our devs might actually be slightly dyslexic

[tough sierra]

I have to basically triple check every variable name >.<

Aww. I know someone who's dyslexic actually.

[pearl elk]

yeah I nipple check my variable names too

[tough sierra]

They seem to be about as bad as I am about misspelling variable names.

Hehehe

[fathom wadi]

I saw two spelling errors in the physical animation documentation and I wanted to point it out, but then I thought "perhaps that person has difficulties" and I didn't. I mean, political correctness is all good and well but there are still two spelling errors on the official documentation.

[foggy path]

I'm not really sure if that should factor into it tbh

[tough sierra]

I don't think anyone is perfect about english though.

I'd have pointed it out.

[fathom wadi]

@foggy path ikr

[uncut otter]

i'm so bad at both spelling and typing that spell check works against me

[foggy path]

A spelling mistake is a spelling mistake, just don't be an ass when you bring it up and it really shouldn't matter... if the person writing it was not a native speaker or has dyslexia or whatever it really shouldn't matter :P

[uncut otter]

making words i didn't intent to type - sometimes i want to leave them because its hillarious.

[foggy path]

It's a different matter if you make it sound like "omg what is wrong with you"

[tough sierra]

It's fine to point out flaws, so long as there's no ill intent, which one can assume no till there's a line like "kill yourself"

You'll get better at it with time.

[foggy path]

Yeah pretty much

[uncut otter]

ahh this conversation has lead me to something delightful

[fathom wadi]

i make more mistakes as my eyesight gets worse and my fingers get more arthritic. But when it comes to documentation, you have one job. Output understandable documentation. Some mistakes are understandable so its something and nothing really. The one advantage of the complexity of English language is that even with mistakes, you can generally understand it

[uncut otter]

r/badcode

[tough sierra]

Oh?

[uncut otter]

lol

[foggy path]

Impressive

[tough sierra]

Oh my

Reminds me of the first space invaders clone I did.

My first big program really.

[fathom wadi]

I think of that scene from "Dude where's my car?" when I see that. And theeeeeen?

[tough sierra]

Individual variables for every flipping alien.

[pearl elk]

must be a huge Sudoku

[tough sierra]

Someone looked over my shoulder and was like, "wow i don't know anyone who can just write code like that" and in reality it was hella sloppy >.<

[uncut otter]

this reddit is great

[tough sierra]

Isn't there one for BPs to?

I can't figure how to work with the damn things ;-;

[fathom wadi]

did anyone ever write a lamba based switch?

[uncut otter]

bp interhitently dirty i love it.

i do 99% bp for unreal and no appologies 😉

[tough sierra]

Oof.

[fathom wadi]

what I do is make everything a C++ base class, then cheat and use BP but tell people its a C++ project.. ahem.

[uncut otter]

haha

that reminds me though i should child some of my larger classes early

i know it'll need some c++ later

[fathom wadi]

i do it as habit now from interacting with projects that needed them later.

[uncut otter]

yeah thats a good idea.

[fathom wadi]

In fact, I should write up an editor plugin that lets you create a new blueprint but with a C++ base class at the same time. Save me some setup

[pearl elk]

I do it all in C++ and tell people it was BP and watch them complain about spaghettis for fun

[fathom wadi]

I do it all in C++ but I don't use wordwrap, so it all scrolls to the right like blueprints. What?

I'd have never been able to say that in real life with a straight face

[tough sierra]

Lol

[uncut otter]

😂

[pearl elk]

thats how I write all my javascript, on one long line

saves scrolling 😛

[fathom wadi]

the last time I used a global was when Flash was still king.

[pearl elk]

RIP Flash

[fathom wadi]

its still around. Just exports differently now

the old VM is gone

[uncut otter]

some reason im thinking about realplayer and shockwave now

[tough sierra]

I'm actually curious to write that in asm now. With xor and short jumps and that one jump that works based on if a value is 0 or not.

Just to see "how much" bigger the bytes would end up being.

[pearl elk]

End of this year Flash will be a gonner

[fathom wadi]

the fact you are curious about writing anything in asm makes me wonder what neutropic drugs you take?

[tough sierra]

What kind of drugs are neutropic?

[fathom wadi]

sorry nootropic

I haven't been taking mine 😄

[pearl elk]

pineapple, watermelon

[uncut otter]

its friday

[tough sierra]

All I get occasionally is caffeine as far as I know. Weed once in a blue moon maybe but for the most part I quite that.

[uncut otter]

its time to get your vapes and drinks ready

😉

[fathom wadi]

piracetam is a nootropic. enhances neuronal path building so they use it for things like altzheimers

[tough sierra]

Woah.

I wonder if the body ends up fucking itself up naturally though.

Since there's the one effect where it tries to counterbalance all drug intake.

[fathom wadi]

well it drains a certain set of vitamins so you take supplements with it

[tough sierra]

No withdrawals?

[fathom wadi]

not that im aware of. I didn't take, but a friend did

[tough sierra]

Huh.

I'd not mess with it but that's curious.

[foggy path]

this is how you get into that Akira situation

lol

[fathom wadi]

he knew what he was doing. the guy was already a fkin genius. He was a pioneering coder of his time

[tough sierra]

I don't spend all day every day coding, just a small portion of most days.

I'm sure it comes down to practice.

[fathom wadi]

me too its called burnout :p

[tough sierra]

Well then this burnout has been lasting a couple or more years.

[pearl elk]

I think Im more at ashsmear, burnt out so many times theres nothin left to burn

[fathom wadi]

im playing with "out of my box" stuff atm. Learned Blender, did some Chaos phys, currently making in-editor animations with the control rig at scene scale accuracy. Gonna have to learn a little more with sequencer but its a straight up keyframe and dopesheet like everything else so win/win

[tough sierra]

Same atm.

Doing level design.

But nice that art stuff isn't easy.

[fathom wadi]

I've seen people throw together levels and they look amazing. I spend a week on something that looks like old BSP levels.

[tough sierra]

BSP is fine.

[fathom wadi]

I guess megascans and quixel changes all that tho

[uncut otter]

they cheat. they got assets up the waahoo ready to drop in

[tough sierra]

And part of it's assets.

[uncut otter]

its all just organizing objects and adding lights for some of these ppl they're so good.

[fathom wadi]

No need to add lights now. One light for RTX

[tough sierra]

About all that.

I was recently introduced to two tools you'll want.

Prefabricator which is free, and Dungeon Architect.

[fathom wadi]

I wrote my own infinite dungeon but thats all it does right now. A manager and methods to influence spawnpoints.

[tough sierra]

The latter actually does more than dungeon gen, it's very cutomizable.

Can generate cities to.

[fathom wadi]

yeah figured as much

[tough sierra]

It feels almost cheaty, worst case it gives you an outline to use as a reference so you don't have to figure out what would be a good design.

Or you still do.

But you can pull shit from the ether easier.

Anyone else look at older ps1 games and feel like something about modern art is missing soul?

Maybe nostalgia.

But it's so hard to shake that feeling.

I don't just mean visual art.

Musical and interactive.

That and I guess i'm a sucker for metaphorical stuff and stories with philosophy involved.

[fathom wadi]

if I have the money floating around ill buy that but I wouldn't mind extending my own code really. I also wouldn't mind paying someone else to do it for me. but I need more than £90 for that 😄

[tough sierra]

The pm kinda gave me the source 😛

[fathom wadi]

worth the money just to save time writing the code for a new graph setup tbh

[tough sierra]

It's got a learning curve.

I'd say so/so

Depends how much you got to blow.

[fathom wadi]

imagine the learning curve without it though

[tough sierra]

Hmmmm.

[pearl elk]

imagine a learning curve on a PS1, hella janky 😛

[tough sierra]

I would say "it's easier to figure out how to do it on my own" which it kind of would be, but amking a tool as nice would take a long while.

[fathom wadi]

it would be fun to make, but time consuming. None of it is too complex, just need the information and understand the logic flow of the project. Collectively, I would say at my current rate, it's worth it to save time :p

[tough sierra]

Parasite eve, the first two mgs, hell legend of dragoon.

And i'm not an rpg nut.

As far as raw code/mechanics factorio is a very good modern work that feels to have a soul.

I suppose.

[pearl elk]

spyro, colin mcrae rally, vrally, tony hawks, crash bandicoot, no fear downhill mountain biking

[tough sierra]

I remember most of those.

They didn't leave a lasting impression maybe save crash, somewhat.

[pearl elk]

could go on for yeaaars

[tough sierra]

They were hella nicely designed though I think. Actually I could see spyro being addictive.

[fathom wadi]

jetpac, horace goes skiing, hunchback, atic atac. Just throwing them out there for old time's sake

[pearl elk]

tbh the issue with newer games is that they came after older games

[tough sierra]

I think there was a lot of pioneering at the time, but still it looks like the stuff had blood sweat and tears put into them on every little thing.

[pearl elk]

treading a well worn path never gets you the same recognition unless you do it loads better

[tough sierra]

Huh.

Might be why i'm obsessed with optimizations.

I see massive potential if utilized right.

I don't think anyone's ever done a proper game that scales to the fullest.

[fathom wadi]

Im one of those "optimised enough" people. There are some levels I will step aside and leave it to people like you

[tough sierra]

But then, there's no art, no interesting story that goes over moral choices and all that.

[fathom wadi]

the things you have to watch when you are animating. Wish I had gone into adult games now.

[pearl elk]

Dont remember too many moral choices in MGS

it was mostly, kill boss

[tough sierra]

Ah true.

Wrong wording.

[pearl elk]

ALERT

[tough sierra]

Rather.

[pearl elk]

hides

[tough sierra]

It makes you question morality and your motives.

Weird how I hated the second one as a kid and coming back it's a favorite.

[pearl elk]

It did actually atempt to have a deep story though the mechanics in mgs were always kinda disconnected, its actually a problem Kojima still has to this day

[fathom wadi]

I hated the first one but loved the second one. hated the third but loved the fourth.

[tough sierra]

Weirdly though it's charming.

The story in the second one, the atmosphere, glorious.

[fathom wadi]

@pearl elk its not. we just don't understand him. hes on another level. it makes complete sense to him

😄

[pearl elk]

Really liked Death Strandings mechanics but the story fits really weird, not that its a bad story it just doesnt gel for me

[fathom wadi]

ive not played it yet as im waiting on the pc version and some time to play it through

[tough sierra]

it's not just you.

[fathom wadi]

i hope its some wierd ass shit tho

[tough sierra]

It doesn't gel for a lot of us, but I think that makes it weirdly nice.

Feels like the essence of abstraction almost.

[pearl elk]

I think he could make a really amazing movie, least I wouldnt have to watch Norman Reedus depositing briefcases for 20hrs

[fathom wadi]

I watch Takashi Miike movies. Nothing weirds me out anymore

[tough sierra]

There any interesting movies recently?

[fathom wadi]

nope

[tough sierra]

Best i could find was the last couple avengers for obvious reasons.

Not a one dimension vilen.

[fathom wadi]

movie drought thanks to covid I guess

[pearl elk]

Dont be afraid to give modern games a go, plenty of em have heart and soul... and great graphics too

[fathom wadi]

mind you its subjective of course

[tough sierra]

I mean within the last few years.

Or hell last 6

[fathom wadi]

Man of Steel is an under-rated movie if you ask me.

hard to recommend a movie unless I know your preference tho

[tough sierra]

Something intellectually deep.

[fathom wadi]

you ever see Take Shelter with Michael Shannon?

[tough sierra]

Nope.

[fathom wadi]

if you want to think for an entire movie. that one. the acting is second to none

[uncut otter]

I feel like I watched everything on Netflix is want to watch normally and moved on to lot of foreign shows

Like 3% currently

Is and interesting show

[tough sierra]

I've only liked maybe three animas for example, one would have to be the ghost in the shell franchise save the last one.

[pearl elk]

did you see Cobra Kai, man thats so funny

[uncut otter]

yeah I'm still waiting for next season. Hmph

3%, would make for an interesting game plot

[tough sierra]

If you want a good plot twist in a game.

Play the witch's house, do the real ending where you grab the dagger from the one safe you see at the beginning before leaving, and it'll mind fuck you hard.

Like really hard.

[pearl elk]

Theres one called Cursed coming to netflix, looks good

[uncut otter]

Black Spot was a cool series. Umm there's one about the intelligence base in Australia. Pine gap I think

[fathom wadi]

Mr.Robot killed it for me. Top 3 show in my mind.

[pearl elk]

Yeah I watched some of Pine Gap, got distracted by Lost in Space I think

[tough sierra]

Oh yeah saw a few episodes of Mr.Robot.

The beginning at least was solid.

[uncut otter]

I still haven't watched me robot I keep being told to hmm

[tough sierra]

And even though it's flashy over the top like most movies are about that culture, it actually did shit right.

Which blew my mind.

[pearl elk]

The 100 is alright for a teen drama, good vfx

[fathom wadi]

all of it was imo. the acting was sickeningly good and the storyline was consistent right until the end

[tough sierra]

Nice.

[uncut otter]

I grew up in a Phrack/2600 heyday. I've had difficulty with any Hollywood portraal of that world

[tough sierra]

Looked like they actually had someone on the team that knew wtf an exploit was.

[uncut otter]

Is me robot good like wargames?

[fathom wadi]

its accurate

[uncut otter]

Ok cool

[tough sierra]

Not seen wargames yet actually.

[fathom wadi]

i have a copy of 2600 from around 2000 in my drawer 😄

[uncut otter]

hahaha nice

[fathom wadi]

its got some nice phone boxes from around the world on the back

[tough sierra]

I'm jelly.

[uncut otter]

it fun to think back... teenager. going to the mall

to meet up with strangers for a 2600 meeting

[tough sierra]

Actually meeting people in person in a public place like that >.>

[uncut otter]

RIP malls

[tough sierra]

The malls near me are dying pretty hard.

[uncut otter]

i havnt been inside one in atleast 10 years

[pearl elk]

I love the Dead Mall Enthusiast group on FB

[tough sierra]

There was a lot of asshole teenagers in them when I grew up, but god it felt lively.

[fathom wadi]

I was around when kevin mitnick got arrested so it interested me that the entire phone system was just a hackfest from bedroom coders to NSA blackboxes. Makes you wonder about mobile phones now right? 😄 (I dont use one)

[uncut otter]

Glad i got all my teen misfit days done before 911

because i'm sure thatd not blowover well hookin into ppls land lines, dumpster diving all that haha

[tough sierra]

Actually mobile phones are heavily used in pentesting culture.

If your serious, don't use one though.

[fathom wadi]

not a sniff. I have nothing to hide, but im also not for sale

[uncut otter]

i fell outa the world. decided i don't need the risk for the few things of joy i might get outa doing the things

but def still try and learn

light learning though

[tough sierra]

Few?

[uncut otter]

PG like the modern rouge on youtube

haha

[tough sierra]

I thought the whole thing was exploration 😛

[uncut otter]

yeah but i mean like i'm not gonna go tresspassing ahja

[pearl elk]

We used to be able to hack phone card phonebooths with Mc Donalds straws

[tough sierra]

Holy.

[uncut otter]

haha

[pearl elk]

Fun times

[uncut otter]

so then i take it - you probably saw the movie hackers too - and lolled pretty good when cerial killer, aka emanual goldstein was brought up ;D

group of friends and i all went to the theater to see it when it came out

this small group of teens laughing at the most random things to others

[fathom wadi]

in the UK when they switched away from red phone boxes to the new silver phones, we found out you could put your money in, then kick the mainplate on the front of the phone, and your money would come back out, but then you would have free phone calls. We used to ring premium sex lines and have orgies in the phonebooth for everyone to see. We didn't, but we did use premium phone lines for free.

[pearl elk]

Or the reverse charge trick, if you called from the same provider on mobile they used to give free time. To call another provider you'd divert your phone to the number you wanted to call then ring yourself

[tough sierra]

Lol

[fathom wadi]

I phoned myself once. I wasn't home

Apparently I had gone to hospital because I sat on the floor and fell off.

[tough sierra]

I really wish I could have experienced that honestly >.<

It does seem really charming, i guess it does have to do with unexplored paths being taken.

[fathom wadi]

path of exile about to kick off the new "literally farming whilst farming but please dont call it animal crossing" expansion.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2874544

check out the league mechanic. it's freaking convoluted. Its gonna take a week for a youtuber to make a video explaining it lol

[zinc matrix]

guys

is karol here

[stark rover]

is it normal to be spammed with friend requests in the epic games launcher

17 random ones

[tough sierra]

No it's not.

[covert nebula]

if you play some game that is very popular on the epic launcher that might be where they originate from

otherwise no

[tough sierra]

They'd all have to know you.

Err be all in the same group in some way.

If your making it sound like it happened nearly at once.

If it all happened in say 30 seconds, that's not humans doing that.

[pearl elk]

And Last of Us 2 is getting review bombed

[tough sierra]

As in tanked or did good?

[honest eagle]

well the players give it a 1/10 while literally every official review is perfect 10/10

[chilly igloo]

Guys does anyone use or have in the past ViewSonic VX3211-4K-mhd model?

[fathom wadi]

contrary to popular belief, British people don't enjoy queueing

[pearl elk]

Woohoo Love, Death snd Robots season 2 is on its way

[foggy path]

Oof my spritesheet configurator editor tool is getting complicated as hell...

it takes a custom data asset as a parameter (which defines what kind of animations should be generated), and then it generates and renames sprites and flipbooks...

I'm actually surprised how performant it is because I just did like 340 assets generated and it didn't hitch at all when I ran it :P

[fathom wadi]

nice

[tough sierra]

Ouch

[fathom wadi]

i made some animations with spritesheets and a flipbook that threw coins around my slot machine when you win. Was fairly painless once I had the spritesheet setup

which was painful as I used GIMP

[foggy path]

Yeah the extract sprites function is handy

but we have so freaking many sprites that it became a massive pain to manually make flipbooks out of them :D

[tough sierra]

Processing by the way may help you with making 2D game dev tools.

Easily processes text files I think, easily draws stuff to the window.

Kind of fast to just go in and make a sprite related tool.

Honestly kind of how i started game dev.

[foggy path]

we export spritesheets straight out of aftereffects since they're done based on actual greenscreened photos atm

[fathom wadi]

i did something a bit different. I setup a particle emitter in UE4, then recorded it as images, then use gimp to chromakey out the background so I had transparent images. Then made the spritesheet.

[mossy nexus]

cool. What kind of images?

[foggy path]

That's an interesting method :D

Man, I wish the animation blueprint stuff would work on sprites

the state machine stuff and everything is like yeah I'm just gonna have to reimplement so much of that :D

same with like animnotifies

[atomic barn]

There was an example posted somewhat recently of someone who was using render targets to capture sprites from skeletal meshes which was pretty interesting.

[foggy path]

We were actually testing Daz studio for quick human models lol

Ended up using a Daz face on one of our sprite characters, you can't really tell it's a 3D model because the sprite resolution is low enough to hide it enough :D

(ie. it's an actual real human but we replaced the head with a 3D head to add some variety)

[zinc matrix]

e

[fathom wadi]

@mossy nexus variations of this.

I technically could have used the particle systems but as my slot machine was made for a pure UMG setup, it seemed to defeat the point of that. So I just worked around it with what happens to be a more optimal system anyway

[north torrent]

I'm still not very good at UMG...

I should.

But that takes time.

Time not drinking vodka.

[zinc matrix]

Mao go sleep for your students

[north torrent]

It isn't that UMG is hard or anything, I'm just really good at procrastinating, Mr. Ponkkis.

I can make all sorts of regular menus. It is more when I am trying to make different radial menu designs or make little games inside UMG that I struggle.

Square Menus are so 2019...

[zinc matrix]

kk ty for info

[north torrent]

I wasn't talking to you and your comments are not appreciated, Karol.

My real influence is Mass Effect. Has been since I first wanted to be a game designer...

Who was it that was talking about Green Hell the other day?

I'm thinking about prototyping a backpack like that, just to see how it works in blueprints.

[zinc matrix]

do you go to bed if its late and youre hungry

or do you eat first

[north torrent]

It is 7:00am and I woke up at 6:30am.

It is Saturday.

Go away Karol.

[zinc matrix]

I wasn't talking to you and your comments are not appreciated, Karol.
Go away Karol.

oh no teacher cant behave like that

why all browser games have to be bad

[north torrent]

Anyways, before being rudely interrupted I was saying...

My game doesn't have any sort of crafting or anything complex. But the player is a detective and can pick up clues.

I want to be able to use items in conversation for things such as proof when an NPC lies.

But I wanted to make a way to do that without just having a menu prompt.

[zinc matrix]

but why do you think players want to be detectives

[north torrent]

The backpack is in 3d space.

[zinc matrix]

in cosmos? nice

[north torrent]

What I have to figure out in UMG is how to best open up the backpack so the player can have reference to the clues / be able to use a clue, while also being able to control the UMG for the dialogue user interface.

And I want it to work primarily on a controller.

I think I have too many things I want to do with the dialogue user interface and I need to figure out how to keep the controls incredibly simple...

I guess just toggle between notebook, backpack, and nothing.

Use one joystick to control the dialogue wheel and the other to control the notebook, backpack, or body language when neither of the other two are open.

Having items be of different shapes and sizes is really one of the core elements of a backpack like that.

[zinc matrix]

eae eae?

i see u talking about ur game for long time, but never see screens

mb you havent startedyet

[north torrent]

Just ignore the troll. He is 16 years old...

I think it is the inputs rather than the menus that I struggle with more.

[zinc matrix]

LMAO ponkkis ❤️

[north torrent]

But radial gets a bit more tricky.

[stable escarp]

is that just me or...this blue bar on the top can not be closed?

[sage tendon]

the hypocrisy

[north torrent]

I closed it without any issues, Mr. Mak.

[wet horizon]

My new monitor arrived, but a side of the monitor looks yellowish and the other seems fine ....

[north torrent]

My old new monitor arrived, but the guy who sent it to me forgot the power cable... so it just looks black...

What kind of monitor is it, Mr. Wuuhie?

Unless it is a high dollar art monitor that specifically has the feature to set the color balance differently on the left and right side of the screen (those do exist but are very niche) then it is probably broken.

[sage tendon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ConsumeProduct/comments/hc6rom/discord/

[stable escarp]

@sage tendon makes perfect sense...i've seen around 10 black people during my life

[wet horizon]

It's a samsung LC24F390FHLXZX, it doesn't bother me that much but I'm worried that the difference in color across the screen will turn into a bigger problem in the future

[north torrent]

Did you pay a lot of money for it? If so, return it and get one that isn't broke.

If you are like me and got it for a super cheap price from an unreputable seller, then just roll with it, because that's the price of buying something for half the price it should be.

[wet horizon]

I got it from amazon so I can change it

[sage tendon]

@stable escarp it wont end and only escalate further, there isnt an actual 'goal'

[north torrent]

Do it!

[wet horizon]

my eyes where so used to a 720p resolution, FHD looks weird because of that

[north torrent]

1440 is life.

[stable escarp]

720p =)))

bless your eyes

[wet horizon]

next upgrade will be QHD

[north torrent]

1440 is life.

4k laptops confuse me... Why do they exist?

[tulip orbit]

I want a 4k 12" monitor 🙂

[north torrent]

I want a 4k 50" oled tv with 1000knit hdr.

[tulip orbit]

er wait, not inches, feet.

[stable escarp]

hdr qhd

[north torrent]

Did you know that my 32 inch ultrawide is the exact same width as my 50 inch tv?

Just a whole lot shorter...

[tulip orbit]

one of those dimensions is a lie!

[north torrent]

But only the tv has a power cable... so I use that one...

Damn 1080p...

[north torrent]

The idea the Nvidia is putting a fan on the back of their new Founders Edition GPUs just to look fancy or improve airflow is kind of crazy...

If they are in fact putting a fan on the bottom, then they must be putting some sort of chip on the bottom of the pcb.

Nvidia always keeps it simple with heatsinks and fans, so if they make it more complicated it is because it needs to be more complicated.

Or maybe the fan on the back isn't actually what they are going to do at all, who really knows at this point.

[foggy path]

Or it could just be another Geforce FX flop

[north torrent]

It could be an FM radio...

[covert nebula]

hey guys

and gals

[north torrent]

Do you own an FM radio, Mr. Kaffeine?

[covert nebula]

i can listen to fm radio if that's what you're asking

[north torrent]

That's cool.

[covert nebula]

i can listen to any radio

[north torrent]

So you have at least one ear and/or a microphone that can upload audio signals to your processor brain.

Good to know.

[covert nebula]

lol

no what i mean is that radio frequencies are easy to pick up on and hard to encrypt

so basically i can listen to any radio freqs

[zinc matrix]

4k laptops confuse me... Why do they exist?
@north torrent For the same reason 4K smartphones exist

[covert nebula]

did you know that most up to date devices can decrypt radio freqs by default?

they will just automatically decrypt if you are using any common algorithm

rightfully so

you just have to use common tools to get it to that point

i think that's a feature that was implemented for the people that live in very oppressive countries

but in the end the us revealed itself to be the most oppressive one out there, it's so strange

[sage ermine]

AIGHT

wth is with hiding stuff in the hierarchy in UE4???

[covert nebula]

wait man

[north torrent]

Did you find my sandwich, Mr. Flow?

[covert nebula]

there's no hiding stuff

[sage ermine]

it shows up when you run and the collision is still there in editor

[covert nebula]

""

[north torrent]

I wasn't hiding it, I just dropped it...

[sage ermine]

/giphy big sandwich

[covert nebula]

you have some systems thare are undocumented

but if you want to use them the code is so clean

you don't need docs

seriously

like the ability system

its been in the engine forever

but as soon as you open it you get whatever you were asking for

[thorny dock]

lol

[pearl elk]

lol someone made a Flappy Trump game

[north torrent]

Tweet tweet.

[pearl elk]

first thing I thought too lol, its pretty fitting

[zinc matrix]

Im ultra tired

Need to leave my bed

[north torrent]

You don't have to.

[zinc matrix]

Why not

[pearl elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtQUsaOF5cg

this guy seems to know a thing or two 🙂

[zinc matrix]

bro

yesterday i was sweating so much

i was not sure if i ate too much food or drank too much coffee

but that was some god damn intensive sweat

[pearl elk]

Wow EA are really laying this diversity thing on thick arnt they. Why dont they stop using it as a selling point and just do it

[zinc matrix]

ha unity u go brr

calm down monso

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-cares-noonecares-dontcare-gif-8737514

[zinc matrix]

i made too much food

now i will slowly finish eating then drink coffee..

this is good investment, im hacking my brain into making gamedev and coding interesting

without coffee and ton of food id just play games

[north torrent]

I just realized I can play Frost Punk for free...

[zinc matrix]

but will it fill the void in your heart Mao Sama

[mossy nexus]

Free Punks!

[north torrent]

Probably not.

The dlc isn't free.

[zinc matrix]

Mao KunKunKunKUnKunKun

[north torrent]

• No insults
• No trolling
• No plagiarism
• No bullying
• No harassment
• No innuendos
• No racism
• No sexism```

That's the rules of this Discord.

[zinc matrix]

yes

sounds like reasonable list to me

[north torrent]

Then stop doing that stuff.

[zinc matrix]

what stuff

you call me sexist

omg

[north torrent]

Insults, trolling, bullying, harassment.

[zinc matrix]

no i didnt

[north torrent]

You do not have to speak to me, that is totally ok.

[zinc matrix]

ok i will not speak to you

[north torrent]

But if you are going to keep entering in on my conversations and addressing me, don't do it in a insulting and trolling way.

[zinc matrix]

how is ur name insulting 👀

[north torrent]

Do I need to screenshot it for you?

[foggy path]

🤔

I seem to recall John saying he has no friends

:P

[zinc matrix]

i have

[north torrent]

Seriously, you can talk to Mr. Zomg, you can talk to Mr. Olympus, you can talk to Mr. Moa.D. I will not disturb you from carrying out your business here.

But please stop harassing me and using my name in disrespectful ways.

[zinc matrix]

but i didnt harass u

[foggy path]

you're being a dingus

lol

[zinc matrix]

youre the real harasser https://i.imgur.com/LhTulSD.png

[foggy path]

I mean I'm pretty sure you know exactly what you're doing, I don't think anyone needs to tell you you're being a dingus

[zinc matrix]

i have ton of proof

like this

[north torrent]

Anyways, has anyone played Frost Punk?

[foggy path]

Frostpunk is fun

[north torrent]

I'm debating on whether or not to get the DLC.

[foggy path]

I like the steampunky thing they've got going on in it

[north torrent]

Cats area bug in the universes code...

The Last Autumn looks pretty cool.

The Frost Punk DLC.

[pearl elk]

@north torrent they cant talk to me cuz blocked

[north torrent]

You blocked cats?

[pearl elk]

Frostpunk is a great game, Ive spent many hours in it but boy is it tricky. I wouldnt crank the difficulty up

[north torrent]

I'm going to play it on normal mode like most games. I rarely change difficulty levels.

[foggy path]

Yeah some of the scenarios can be kind of challenging especially on the first try

Easier on the second try when you know what's coming up :D

[north torrent]

Except the game Remember Me... I was changing difficulty levels ever few minutes... Cranking it to the max hard difficulty just to make the levels not boring and easy, then cranking it all the way down to easy for boss fights because they were just stupid... Ended up never finishing the game because I couldn't beat a boss fight on easy mode, even though 90% of the game was too easy.

I played This War of Mine, so I don't expect a game from these developers is going to be very nice to me.

[zinc matrix]

hmm

i would like to say something, but i dont know these games

truth is, i play only multiplayer things, and even not many of them

[north torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2BERgBCKs

[thorny dock]

spent an embarrassing amount of time thinking somewhere my UI or level sequence was causing input to be disabled only for keyboard, turns out event keyboard anykey is defaulted to consume input 🙃

[zinc matrix]

man when i see c#/unity questions from nubs and i answer them in less than microsecond it feels very gut

[sage tendon]

@north torrent i fully agree with you

[north torrent]

About cats?

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/tap-dancing-dance-dance-moves-performance-cats-gif-15595317

[sage tendon]

no, no the trolls from mordor

[pearl elk]

One game engine to rule them all

[north torrent]

The cat outside my apartment was very hungry today. She kept maoing for food the whole time I walked up stairs to get some for her.

Then she didn't want to let me go back inside...

[tulip orbit]

🙂

[north torrent]

Cat doesn't want to go inside, she just wants me to stay outside with here... odd cat...

[pearl elk]

sounds like you have a GF 😛

[north torrent]

I don't know what kind of girls you have been dating that like to stay outside in a tree as opposed to coming indoors...

[pearl elk]

I think its my house, it looks too much like a man cave

I have skulls out front, chop my veggies with a sword

you know man stuff

[north torrent]

Are cats afraid of skulls?

[pearl elk]

no but Im starting to think maybe girls are

[north torrent]

Frostpunk is now downloading.

If you let a girl into your house it might want to stay...

So you should probably avoid that.

[pearl elk]

thats why you dont let the cat in right

[north torrent]

The cat doesn't want to come in.

[pearl elk]

have you tried moving the skulls?

[north torrent]

No.

I'm not trying to get the cat to come in. I was just curious if it would go in the door or not.

I wonder why there are so many empty wine bottles in my apartment... I don't like wine...

Probably the cat...

[pearl elk]

Unless you accidently let a GF in, they tend to live on wine 😛

[delicate lark]

you mean on whine

[north torrent]

Not the kind of girls I let in...

[pearl elk]

are you sure those were girls hehehe

[north torrent]

The only girls I let into my house are digital.

[pearl elk]

I find those are alittle too easy to turn off

[north torrent]

The key is to turn them off.

[delicate lark]

but what is the point if you can just turn them off 🤔

[north torrent]

Is there a point at all?

[delicate lark]

plenty

[north torrent]

I don't see any of it as worth it.

[pearl elk]

cmon who doesnt want alittle pussy\

we are still talking about cats right?

[north torrent]

I like feeding cats that don't like me.

I don't think I would want a cat that was constantly wanting attention and actually wanted me around for something other than food.

[pearl elk]

Try having dogs, I wake up in the morning and get attacked for attention lol

[north torrent]

I used to have a dog. Now I don't.

[tulip orbit]

facepalms

no wonder my baked textures like the ID map was so bad... for some reason it was set to bake a 512 texture, instead of 2048

[north torrent]

Ewww... 512...

I remember when 512 textures were great.

[tulip orbit]

my model would have looked great in those days

[north torrent]

So did mine once...

[pearl elk]

I honestly cant tell the difference between 512 and 2048 since theres so many stylized games now 😛

[tulip orbit]

properly done art, shouldnt be able to tell its "lowres" if it looks good

[north torrent]

I don't like that 'stylized' has become 'low res low poly'...

The vocab in the game industry is really weak compared to things like film.

[tulip orbit]

gotta make those art/film majors cringe 😄

[pearl elk]

thing is in games low res low poly used to be an attempt at hyper realism 😛

[north torrent]

The idea that the style of AAA games is described as 'realistic' is also weak vocabulary in my opinion.

[pearl elk]

Just love being reminded how everyone hated Soldier of Fortune for being too real but the latest Modern Warefare... no worries mate

[north torrent]

It got really bad when everyone was talking about raytracing and the Metro game...

[pearl elk]

I was watching Rango movie that type of stylization is pretty uncanny, they do similar in the The Good Dinosaur

[north torrent]

It is like the general public doesn't understand that good lighting for gameplay and realistic lighting are too totally separate things.

It is like the general public thinks Hollywood style color grading is 'realistic'.

[pearl elk]

You got some textures where its super real but other things are super cartoon

https://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/hdphotos/9860/009860/009860_1269x714_376867_002.jpg

the foliage is clearly different to the dinosaur

Its almost like a claymation

[north torrent]

I want to make high resolution, high ploy, large number of particle effects, too much dynamic lighting, and basically everything that will make your 2080ti struggle.

But I certainly don't want my game to look realistic...

Or I will just throw in a bunch of hi-res Megascans and then throw an anime post process effect on it all...

[pearl elk]

yeah I think there is abit too much weight put on the pursuit of hyperrealism in games, that doesnt mean you have to go to the other extreme though too like many are.

Its totally viable to do a high art comic book style which isnt realistic, it can be more fantastical

[north torrent]

Realistic humans are too hard to animate for one.

[pearl elk]

Very expensive endeavor on a whole so you really have to wonder if its worthwhile

[north torrent]

I will make humans just stylized enough that my generic and mediocre animations don't come off as jarring. Just tossing a marketplace animation on a photorealistic human 3d model is going to usually look very off.

But use the same animation for a robot or a guy in armor or a stylized character and it is fine.

Photorealistic humans are just too hard for a small team.

Probably easier to make photorealistic environments, but does that tell a story?

[pearl elk]

It can do if youre good but an environment without characters is abit empty

[north torrent]

Too realistic with things like lighting and it starts to look like it was shot with by a Network News camera as opposed to looking 'cinematic'.

Imagine a movie like Scarface if it was filmed like a sitcom.

[pearl elk]

I think they call that one Cheers 😛

[north torrent]

Imagine if Alfred Hitchcock had just filmed everything with an iPhone.

[pearl elk]

lol The Birds might actually look decent then 😉

Imagine if Spielberg hadnt used any first person camera in Jaws

[north torrent]

The Birds is just a normal day is Australia though, isn't it?

Imagine if Spielberg had only used first person cameras in Jaws.

[pearl elk]

Yeah cept for the fact we dont use Chinese crap 🙂

Itd be filmed on a Samsung or LG lol

Well he did alot of FP in Schindlers List

Hardcore Henry is all first person

[north torrent]

There is certainly a reason it is rare.

[pearl elk]

Its crazy to me through dashcams cars have a camera like we had in racing games well before dashcams were even thought of

[sage tendon]

o0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UZzu4UQLcI

[sage tendon]

someone responds like being bipolar

[pearl elk]

Lol man I just read the craziest thing just then

Elon Musk denied having a threesome with Amber Heard and Cara Delevingne. What guy wouldnt lie, he's clearly gone mad lol

[sage tendon]

the wife of Johnny Depp that is?

[fathom wadi]

they are both mingers tbh

[sage tendon]

i read that too

(well, ex wife)

[pearl elk]

Yeah Elon Musk was with her for abit too

[north torrent]

I just ordered spicy chicken wings.

I wonder if the cat will want any...

[pearl elk]

Spicy cat wings yum

[north torrent]

Trashcan Mao always liked chicken wings.

But I never gave him spicy wings.

[proven thorn]

Mmm, I could do with some chicken wings right now.

[pearl elk]

Spicy chicken cheesy pizza bread

Side of garlic prawns

[plucky pagoda]

Wow, I thought for sure I was reading lounge until I read Cedric's admonishment for everyone to move to it. It's like a nonstop shit storm lately.

[pearl elk]

Woo drama, which channel?

Jeebus someone actually told someone to shoot themselves, hopefully banhammered

[zinc matrix]

Elon Musk denied having a threesome with Amber Heard and Cara Delevingne. What guy wouldnt lie, he's clearly gone mad lol
@pearl elk I thought Cara wasn't into guys though

Still, I wish I could use AI for something. Struggling with Golang for now.

[pearl elk]

Shes bi like Amber Heard by all accounts

You know how it goes in Hollywood, one relationship is all for show while everything else happens behind the scenes

[zinc matrix]

hayley kiyoko? although i heard she's under fire for using the n-word but the news somehow didn't blow up

i'm pretty sure kiyoko is still pretty gay

[pearl elk]

Never heard of her, Ive heard of noname though

[zinc matrix]

kiyoko is some pop star lesbians happen to really like

[pearl elk]

Lol wtf Gameloft issued a take down on Sonys youtube channel over the Spiderman expansion

[zinc matrix]

copyright gonna copyright

[pearl elk]

They just jelly I rekon

Shame theres no real punishment for false copyright claims

[north torrent]

I thought most of those were automation.

[zinc matrix]

can be but sometimes people can game the system for their benefit

Like false copyright claims against people who own the content they make and release

I want copyright gone in part because of this bullshit

[sage tendon]

Like the Apple vs Samsung patent wars a few years back

[north torrent]

Trademarks and Patents are what keep idiots with no real skill like Mark Zuckerburg filthy rich though.

So as long as he is rich enough to just buy the politicians, this stuff is here to stay.

[sage tendon]

Thomas Edison disagrees with you, however Nicola Tesla agrees fully

[north torrent]

Thomas Edison was basically a mafia boss...

[sage tendon]

The eliphant killer

[zinc matrix]

Trademarks and Patents are what keep idiots with no real skill like Mark Zuckerburg filthy rich though.
@north torrent and copyright is what allows culture to be a cash cow

[north torrent]

If he had gotten his way, then every video every made would be paying royalties to him.

[sage tendon]

Not to mention the transformers every 50 meters

[north torrent]

All of Hollywood would belong to Thomas Edison.

[zinc matrix]

Just fuck capitalism. With a bullet. To its weak points.

[north torrent]

They actually started making movies in California simply to get as far away from Thomas Edison as possible.

The main villain of the story I am writing is based off of Thomas Edison...

[sage tendon]

The AC/DC war time was a strange time but it inspired a great band name though

[north torrent]

You mean corona-virus, Mr. Nicely?

A band that was great for a while and then never evolved and eventually just kept regurgitating the same bad music over and over again...

[sage tendon]

Isnt that the faith of like.. every artist?

Get some hits and become a dancing monkey?

[elder flax]

i need help i have a probleme on the interface can someone dm me pls :c

[north torrent]

Actually, no, Mr. Remco.

Look at Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. Those two bands constantly re-created themselves every decade.

[zinc matrix]

More like TV shows

[pearl elk]

Black Sabbath Season 1 was the best

[zinc matrix]

Music, yes, but sometimes I don't give a shit if they stay the same

I actually hated it when Paramore changed their look and sound

[north torrent]

Have you listened to the album Black Ice by AC/DC?

It is painfully bad...

[fathom wadi]

black sabbath early days always interested me because they never ended a song in a regular way.

[zinc matrix]

AC/DC doesn't really interest me much beyond a superficial level. I like their music but they were before my time and they're not something too special for me

[north torrent]

I like early Black Sabbath but I think Ozzy really brought the whole band down...

I really wish I could find a Ronnie James Dio version of Symptom of the Universe.

[zinc matrix]

Well, as long as there are still classic rock fans. Different story for those who love 2000s music though

[fathom wadi]

AC/DC had some amazing songs, especially live renditions

thunderstruck live.... if you were there, you would be tingling

[north torrent]

Megalomania is really the only Black Sabbath song that I really thought Ozzy was not the weak link of the band.

[pearl elk]

You wont hear new stuff from AC/DC anymore

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0P6XEkI7Y

[pearl elk]

You might get a new Queen album tho

[fathom wadi]

1 year before I was allowed to goto donington 😦

next year it was iron maiden, my first one

[north torrent]

I used to cover TNT with my rock band in highschool...

Killed my voice though... But nobody actually noticed when I didn't talk for a week in school...

We did TNT and Highway to Hell.

[pearl elk]

Who made who is my personal fav

[north torrent]

TNT is the most fun to sing but I never liked the guitar part.

[fathom wadi]

the whole album is the best

Bon Scott's Ride On in particular

[north torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEVsDN84Hc

[fathom wadi]

Maximum Overdrive @zinc matrix

[north torrent]

This is 100x better than anything AC/DC did in the 2000s...

[fathom wadi]

based on the short story Trucks

[pearl elk]

Hells Bells

[fathom wadi]

you shook me all night long

the whole album is classic track after classic track

[pearl elk]

Long way to the shop if ya want a sausage roll

[fathom wadi]

lol

[pearl elk]

Sony owns it all now, even blocked Aussies from the vevo for awhile

Thats why its on Ironman and Spidermsn soundtracks

[fathom wadi]

I thought you guys had churches that played ACDC every saturday night anyway?

[pearl elk]

Lol those are called football stadiums

[north torrent]

Black Sabbath in particular is much better to listen to if you listen through the entire original albums.

Greatest hits albums for Black Sabbath are shit and lose a lot of what made the Ozzy years great.

And by Ozzy years I mean the years where Ozzy dragged down the great writing of Geezer Buttler and Tony Iommi.

[fathom wadi]

yeah was never a fan of ozzy in particular but I did model my bass playing style somewhere between Geezer Butler and Cliff Burton

[mild root]

but what about stoner rock, which varies from modernized black sabbath to spectacular fusion of various rock and metal genres

[north torrent]

Geezer Butler's lyrics were amazing as well, and Tony Iommi knew how to transition from song to song to make an album seem compete.

[fathom wadi]

yeah like I said, the endings on some of the songs are amazing. He completed songs where a lot just fade away

[pearl elk]

Fieldy is best bass :)

[north torrent]

The intro to Symptom of the Universe was gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSbbbginu2I

[mild root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LDDblMxJY

[north torrent]

But this is the ending of Wheels of Confusion.

[mild root]

here it is

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiwjyeR0drI this is the song that influenced my bass playing most of all.

[mild root]

@fathom wadi do you have your stuff somewhere to listen?

[fathom wadi]

not very well recorded stuff. live jamming in a shed

[mild root]

production quality doesn't bother me

[pearl elk]

Aww why does that say remasterin not rammstein

[fathom wadi]

I have a song on itunes and spotify and stuff but I didn't like that quality either

[mild root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsSaMCMUbaw

[north torrent]

I like every Black Sabbath song that isn't on a 'greatest hits album' and only a few of the songs that are on the 'greatest hits' albums.

But I would say I am more influenced by War Pigs if we are talking about bass playing.

That song made me want to quit guitar and be a bassist...

N.I.B. was the other one that I found the bass to inspire me a lot.

I couldn't play that bass line while singing though, so I had to switch back to guitar... The guitar part is easy to play while singing.

[fathom wadi]

I cant sing at all when I play. It bugged me so much that I once wrote a song specifically using chord structures that were easy to just strum to the beat and the vocals had the off beats included.

[north torrent]

I could better than anyone else in my band... though I still wasn't great at it.

The other guitar player wanted to sing but he just fell to shit when trying to do two things at once.

I never really wanted to sing... just got stuck with it...

I was never a fancy guitar player that could do much impressive. I just knew how to play with other people and adjust to the band environment well... As opposed to other guitar players I knew that played crazy stuff by themselves but couldn't sync with other at all.

All I have with me right now though is my midi guitar. My bass is in Arizona and my guitar is in Shenzhen.

[zinc matrix]

omg guys

what are u doing

[foggy path]

Cursing at trying to debug this custom editor script because I need to delete 340 assets every time I run it and it takes ages to delete them

now I made the script delete the existing assets by itself but it's taking super long to run the script as a result of it having to think about whether anything is referencing the asset it's deleting and arrgh...