if someone installed aids into your blood whilst you slept, you would be angry too
#lounge
fathom wadi
foggy path
Comparing a browser to aids is a bit disingenuous :P
fathom wadi
my computer is my lifeforce
seriously though.... i switched it off. They switched it on, and installed something. That isn't scary?
foggy path
It was part of the recent windows 10 update as far as I can tell
fathom wadi
I got that update last week. This happened last night tho
foggy path
Yeah not sure if it was a separate update, I had to restart twice to install two separate updates recently and it installed that with the second one
grave sleet
Everytime someone complains about edge this image pops into my mind.. I just canโt feel anything but sorry xD
foggy path
lol
Yeah I don't really know why people get so.. I don't want to say upset... maybe agitated? frustrated? with it
Definitely seems a bit weird if it just pops back in after you uninstall it... but I get a feeling that there's no official uninstallation method for it :P
so it might pop back because of that
fathom wadi
I used to be a web developer. I have lost count of the amount of times I had to rewrite bits of javascript for cross-browser compatibility. It got to the point that I ditched Internet Explorer entirely. People would have to pay me twice to do the extra work. So when Edge came along I had no faith in it. As my life goes on without microsoft browsers (entirely unnecessary browser) it just makes it less and less important or useful.
The only time I would actually use it is in a fresh install of Win10, and I would use it to install firefox and chrome.
part of my wants to be petty and just download it via command line
mossy nexus
I installed Win 10 Pro the other day. I was surprised on how painless the install process is now.
fathom wadi
I installed it when they released it and its never failed me. Only once before today has it been a pain in my arse. And that was when I was compiling and it decided to install a windows update. Its never had memory issues, its only crashed once in what, 6 years? and I leave it on sleep mode usually which can leave you open to issues but its been perfect.
of course I paid for my copy. Not on the free beta tested versions of windows that came from hacked versions of win7 :p
mossy nexus
lol, I upgraded from 10 home. I had no issues with 10 home other than when I reinstalled it to my new m.2 last week it refused to activate.
Microsoft support were about as helpful as a wet paper bag in a storm
lucid walrus
that Microsoft has its own browser built into Windows 10 is logical... that they, one of the largest software companies in the world, gave up own their own browser development and just switched to using Google's crap, it just unbelievable
old Edge fine, new Edge gets powershell killed by me as well.
proven thorn
I guess Microsoft just picks its battles. It can't win them all.
sage tendon
Chrome is great, just the software_reporter_tool.exe it downloada daily without user input and executes it is just horrible
foggy path
tbh all crashing I've had in windows has always been driver or software or hardware issues outside of windows itself being at fault
Debugging the crashes is pretty fucking complicated though which is a pain
north torrent
I'm frustrated that it is 2020 and Bluetooth still isn't reliable in Windows...
chilly igloo
lol, I upgraded from 10 home. I had no issues with 10 home other than when I reinstalled it to my new m.2 last week it refused to activate.
@mossy nexus what was the reason to upgrade from home to pro? Some security features of pro ver. or?
fathom wadi
home has virtually zero policy stuff. So you end up clamped by the limitation of it.
foggy path
Are you using the policy stuff in Pro for something? I'm on Home and never really thought about needing something else
(I mean it makes sense in a corporate network type environment for better control)
quasi maple
because of the recent discussions that have been going about rust, may unreal replace c++ with rust in the upcoming years?
sage tendon
Wouldnt that fit the character design?
sage tendon
Didnt they look like coming out of that totally accurate battleground game?
zinc matrix
i dunno
sage tendon
Like this
sour shuttle
UE4 has certainly spoiled me. It's been a while since I've attempted to code something that doesn't exist within the UE4 system so here I am wondering why I can't find any info on tag tables in c# or c++
Is this something you have to build out yourself normally?
@quasi maple what?
where's that happening
fathom wadi
@foggy path I barely touch it anymore. I've got a lazy network at home, but I do make sure wireless can't interact with lan connections without permissions from network admins. Just in case. Thinking about getting a pfSense setup so I can do a bit more. Windows networking without servers is a hinderance.
foggy path
ah
quasi maple
@sour shuttle https://thenewstack.io/microsoft-rust-is-the-industrys-best-chance-at-safe-systems-programming/
Rust is faster and safer than C++
The syntax shouldn't be a problem for C++ programmers too
fathom wadi
for low-low system work
fathom wadi
yeah
quasi maple
I myself have started learning rust hehe
foggy path
can I talk about how Haskell is amazing and has nice syntax? lol
you can also infuriate your friends by talking about confusing things like monads, monoids and functors
or semigroups if you want to get real technical
fathom wadi
I talk about mynads all the time
alpine fern
I haven't yet had an excuse to actually spend time learning rust
since it would be useless for unreal
foggy path
seriously tho I do recommend trying Haskell if you're a programmer and wanna try something that's completely different
fathom wadi
thats the thing. I want to learn Frostbite and Dunia engines. But its not Unreal... so meh :p
foggy path
took me fucking ages to grok it despite having a lot of experience in procedural and oop langs
but I feel like I write better code even in other languages now
fathom wadi
I read some tweets from Haskell people and its gibberish to me. But then again, so was C++ (still is cough)
foggy path
Yeah it can be kind of opaque if you don't know anything about it
But the typesafety features are really cool, and it's really expressive
fathom wadi
heh Visual studio downloaded an update. Told me it was fully downloaded. So I thought... why not and installed it. But it downloaded it again, then told me to reboot. I feel abused.
type safety issues and cleaning them up has its benefits but isn't it also a waste of time as the programmer should be ensuring it somehow? I don't mean ignore all libs and core functions that deal with it, but simplification for the user is often overhead for the sake of "ease of use".
foggy path
I mean Haskell is kinda like "if it compiles, it probably works" thanks to the type system
you can even write something like SQL or HTML using an embedded DSL in a compile time typesafe manner, it's literally not possible to write invalid SQL for example because the program simply won't compile if you do
fathom wadi
sounds cool
I like the idea of embedding other code. Reuse of code from external platforms and such makes sense
well biting the bullet for a reboot. fades away
foggy path
Something I regularly miss with other languages is how you can use monads for chaining things
A fairly common thing to do for example is to run several function calls and check the result from each before running the next one, and stop if it failed
so typically it'd be like result = a(); if(!result) { return error; } result_b = b(); if(!result_b) { return error }...
in haskell you just do a >>= b , and you can just keep it going, a >>= b >>= c >>= d
foggy path
Possibly, not sure how flexible or typesafe it would be though
fathom wadi
custom operator then perhaps
foggy path
>>= is just an operator on monads so it works for a bunch of other things too besides chaining like that
fathom wadi
next time im travelling ill pick up a basic book and check it out.
quasi maple
I mean Haskell is kinda like "if it compiles, it probably works" thanks to the type system
Yup Rust is that way too
Thanks to its amazing prevention of runtime errors
fathom wadi
I only get runtime errors when I code bad with C++. Which happens more often that I would like ;p
foggy path
What does Rust do if you attempt to parseInt("hello") or something?
quasi maple
I haven't dived deep in rust yet, but I guess it's going to be ParseIntError?
foggy path
Yeah so if you just have like x = parseInt("blah"); x = x + 1; how's it going to not crash on that?
or does it have some kind of type system shenanigans where it won't let you do x + 1 unless you first check it's not an error?
quasi maple
the compiler aborts when it reads this line
parseInt("blah");
how does it know at compile time that "blah" is not a valid int?
quasi maple
strings are a huge subject in rust
fathom wadi
there is a typed parse_int function apparently
foggy path
so it's basically the kind of type system shenanigans as I suspected
fathom wadi
or parse_string
foggy path
looks like it's pretty much exactly the same way as Haskell handles it
foggy path
it won't give you the value directly, you have to explicitly "unwrap" the value
so if you unwrap it without checking if it's an error, well that's on you then
fathom wadi
yeah lots of assert functions in rust
quasi maple
when rust finds a whitespace while parsing it can also throw the parseinterror
fathom wadi
the whole "let" thing makes me chuckle. let string s = "blah"'; better yet. let string him = "who hath understand reckon the number of the beast";
foggy path
lol
Haskell uses let to declare variables as well :P
although I guess they're not really variables in Haskell since you can't mutate them
quasi maple
filestream in rust is pretty good
fathom wadi
i bet the UE5 one just got a boost after the PS5 ssd bugs
quasi maple
Anyway I'll go, bye.
median wraith
what game is that ?
sage tendon
Take A Hike Simulator(TM)
dusky shuttle
zinc matrix
@proper raptor LMAO
carmine frigate
aww man just when i got good at this social distancing thing, we got this goin ๐
foggy path
I don't really know why some people are throwing hissy fits over some trivial naming change
I mean honestly who cares what they're called ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
carmine frigate
depends on how much u have to change ๐
foggy path
On the other hand, I just see white people pushing for this - I've not seen a single black person talk about this
I tried looking at some of the links in that article to see but all comments I saw were basically just caucasian looking people
carmine frigate
imma stay out of this ๐
foggy path
I'm just curious, I don't really care either way
carmine frigate
let them fix racism, im fine with that ๐
romans had slaves B4 america tho, had nothing to do with race
foggy path
I dunno tbh, pretty sure a lot of the slaves in the roman empire came from conquered lands so it kind of had something to do with it
carmine frigate
mostly europeans
foggy path
although I think poor roman citizens could also have been slaves, or criminals
foggy path
Exclusivity period ended probably?
foggy path
Satisfactory's exclusivity period also ended earlier this month
or I guess we don't really know when the exclusivity period ended specifically, but at least they're on steam now
rich quiver
satisfactory is a year and half later came to steam
carmine frigate
me and a friend got civ6 free on egs. played a bunch of games online, another friend wanted to join, but it was 65 on egs and 15 on steam
thats kind of messed up if u ask me
foggy path
I don't think a lot of games come out of EA in just a year
rich quiver
Hades lack of feedback it end up in early access on steam
Griftlands maybe the same
zinc matrix
i need to figure out how to record hd videos with sound
proper raptor
btw
if this is making headlines
you really missed it a while back
when Python 3 removed all instances of master slave etc...
foggy path
I hadn't even heard of that
Pretty clear that nobody actually thinks it's a bad thing once the switch is done :P
proper raptor
it's not about being bad or good
it's like mixing religion with the state
religion and politics should steer away from business
humans really have a short term memory
zinc matrix
check my game out ladies https://youtu.be/LEiM2rj0IW8
foggy path
tbh I don't see what being a decent human being has to do with religion, politics or business :P
proper raptor
who said anything about decency
foggy path
Then I'm not really understanding what the point is you're making
proper raptor
I mean what i've said, religion politics shouldn't be mixed with business
simple as that
foggy path
Fair enough, just wasn't sure how it connected to what we were talking about :)
proper raptor
I think we were all commenting on this Github removing words nonsense ?
foggy path
ya
sage tendon
@proper raptor politics and business went very well together for the Netherlands during their Golden Age
Even brought forward the stock exchange
And boats, awesome cool boats
zinc matrix
true remco
foggy path
and I was debating on trying to figure out how to modify the lighting setup in the engine in general
because I just cannot figure out if there's a way to get sprites to light up from any direction otherwise :D
proper raptor
Laigter is good if you're working with 2D
foggy path
Yeah it's more like Doom :) So normal maps won't help ie. if the light is behind the sprite, and the sprite is in front of you, it won't really get any light on its front side then
I might try to use a custom light sphere thing where it just applies a tint on the sprite material, that might be easier than having to figure out how the lighting works in the engine level :P
Would just be much more convenient if the builtin lighting "just worked"
(I don't really know much on how the light is applied on the material level anyway so maybe there's some solution that I'm not thinking of)
rain steppe
Hello
Is there a way to export 3d model from UE4 to Blender or .fbx/.obj ? I want to inspect a model, but can't figure out how to rip it
foggy path
I think if you right click the mesh in the content browser it should have like export or something?
eager chasm
Guys, I need a bit of a general advice and I really wanna see your opinions based on your experience of learning UE.
I've been more of a networking guy for the most part of my life, but I really want to learn UE4 and maybe, sometime in the future, create something that looks like a game and doesn't suck in every possible way. So, I've got an idea: what if I could team up with few folks that are also kinda new in UE4 (and game dev in general) to create a small collaborative project?
The benefit of doing so (as I see it at least) is we could learn UE4 by creating a playable game, not for the purpose of creating an actual game but rather learning the thing while doing so, and getting more familiar with engine and development process.
Do you think this is a good idea for people that are completely new in UE4, or it's better to just learn alone until you get more familiar with it, and start doing some multi-people project after that? Obviously, I'm not asking for "that's right that's wrong" kind of advice, but rather about you experiences getting in this whole UE4 infrastructure. Do you think this is even a good idea?
Is there a way to export 3d model from UE4 to Blender or .fbx/.obj ? I want to inspect a model, but can't figure out how to rip it
@rain steppe right click on mesh > Asset action > export
And you good to go
proper raptor
as a general advice not exclusive to UE
whenever you can get your hands to work with other people
do it
as long as it doesn't hinder their progress, everything will be fine
eager chasm
@proper raptor thanks, I also think the same. Now just need to get my hands to any people. ๐ None of my frends are interested in tech at all. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
rain steppe
I want to export Boris from paragon to inspect how he was made
I want geo with textures...
Please help me out...
proper raptor
open up meshes
you'll find a skeletal mesh there
right click, asset actions, export
@eager chasm if you can't find a project you can collaborate on
simply roll one yourself
it's not a given to learn via collaboration/working with other people
that's why i told you, if you can get your hands on that, do it
valuable experience
otherwise, just like most of us, you'll be riding solo, at least for the first while
eager chasm
@proper raptor I probably will anyway, if I won't be able to get my friends into it. Which is unfortunate, since I've already got kind of exited about the idea. ๐
@rain steppe fbx is not particularly amazing in any way besides compatibility, so it could mess up everything at any moment. Could be just some incompat between different versions of fbx.
rain steppe
How to export textures? I don't have the option
@eager chasm what is the best extension then?
eager chasm
you can try .obj, but I'm not sure Blender supports it. Everything I do in UE4 I do with 3dsmax (2021 right now), and in general it works fine
rain steppe
but I'm not sure Blender supports it is, kind of stupid assumption.
I used to work in 3dsmax and it's the worst dcc software I've used.
eager chasm
I used to work in 3dsmax and it's the worst dcc software I've used.
@rain steppe It's really close to complete garbage, but I have 10 years of experience with it... So, I'm kinda the garbage truck driver enjoying my work i guess. ๐
but I'm not sure Blender supportsit is, kind of stupid assumption.
@rain steppe these opensource\free software guys... As much as I like them, sometimes they could totally ignore a good peace of valuable software just because they think it's not ethical enough. So, from that point... Not as much of a stupid assumption. ๐
@zinc matrix I was surprised recently. I have a laptop that runs Fedora, and after a clean install I forgot to remove Gnome Software (I usually do it in the second, because it eats up 200+megs of RAM ALL the time and it's just annoys the hell out of me), which is basically a built-in store for open source software. And I was surprised to see quite a few opensource games under GPL license. They look like trash and play exactly on par, but they exists!
To be perfectly honest tho, even compared to Microsoft Store (!) these stores look like Blender + few useful tools and 1000+ pieces of trash. ๐
@zinc matrix not 'some', actually. I was able to run like 80% of my entire library via Proton, and it works perfectly. There is even an ACO compiler that speeds up shader compiling process by a lot on AMD GCN hardware. Valve is actually doing a surprisingly good job of making Linux platforms more suitable for games. I haven't been able to run RDR2 tho, but it barely works even on Windows, so...
chilly igloo
Guys is there someone who build PC for Zbrush, UE4 and other related software on cheap Dual Xeon motherboards?
tough sierra
I post for non paid work once, and holy moly did I get spammed.
Funny thing is.
Damn near everyone, wanted help with royalty based projects.
All but one who was just looking for level optimizations for a scene, who offered paid work after the fact "maybe". Just. Big difference in responses and variety compared to posting on the forums.
torn scaffold
good for going along with ur coding = NF
rain steppe
@eager chasm I was always amazed by people, whom didn't even run some software but made false public assumptions like this software is shit. BUT if someone who uses the software says this is not true - then he is a cultist and must shut up. Good job.
abstract haven
foggy path
I wonder if those people have ever seen RoboCop
:D
I can get behind changing master/slave but renaming projects that have the word "cop" in them? I mean come on...
Just because american cops are corrupt nutjobs lol
tough sierra
The dev
Friggin apologized.
It'd have been better to ignore it.
Wait i didn't even read the dialog before posting that
The heck?
Is this humble bundle thing really causing this much crap?
Honestly i'm venting a bit because it bothers me, and it bothers me because I don't ever want to have to be put in the position that these devs were in. Let alone have consequences for refusing or ignoring such requests.
I'm not ever going to change something because it even remotely references historical events, especially when there was no malice intent and/or the meaning was different than the end user somehow assumes.
That culture has to stop.
It's going to put everyone on the chopping block over any random petty thing.
foggy path
Isn't it kind of petty also to not change some words that are effectively meaningless to you?
foggy path
How would you know :P
tough sierra
The reasoning behind the logic isn't even bound to reality.
foggy path
It is though...
Without further context than what you posted above - it's hard to say tbh
Depending on context it may very much be bound to reality
tough sierra
Should I have someone change any reference to whitey or white lightning or such? Which I was sure as shit picked on a lot for being albino.
Fair point
You really shouldn't have something changed out of context because it reminds you of something painful.
I've my fair share of that shit.
It just makes you weaker to try and change the world that way.
foggy path
And yes if someone is using whitey, white lighting, whatever, as a racial slur then yes they should change it depending on context.
pearl elk
everyone knows whiteys arnt fast enough to be lighting ๐
foggy path
It really isn't about "reminding you of something painful", it's more about the cultural idea that "it's okay to own slaves"
tough sierra
It was a nickname given since I basically ran from class to class, kind of had to with the insane schedules.
foggy path
Most of us know that obviously it isn't okay to own slaves, and we understand that
foggy path
Yes, we understand that
because we are sane non racist people
and this is why all this shit seems to fucking bizarre to us
tough sierra
foggy path
sad fact is... it's not obvious to everyone and not everyone understands it
tough sierra
Sorry for reposting that
But come on.
And it's not just this example i've found.
I'm seeing a lot of this stuff recently.
foggy path
Yeah and like I said it's not about us normal people who understand this stuff is wrong
I'm sure the recent events show you that there's a fuckton of people who think it's fine to murder black people
tough sierra
No that's not it.
foggy path
The language needs to be changed for them
tough sierra
At least with the examples i've seen there isn't really evidence of that.
foggy path
How would you show evidence of that?
tough sierra
How do you assume guilt otherwise?
foggy path
Like, why would they want to change it because a regular normal guy plays the game?
pearl elk
there are plenty of Pulitzer prize winning novels with racist tones, no one is complaining about those ๐
foggy path
Yeah because of the context
pearl elk
I think half the high school curriculum would need to be changed
foggy path
I'm just saying that yeah this stuff feels really weird to see because we're reasonable people who get that this stuff is bad, and we can understand the context and usage in games and other media
but there's people who don't understand it, and when they see it, they take it as "oh okay it's cool to have slaves then" (or something along those lines)
tough sierra
There's no way
foggy path
you don't believe that?
pearl elk
Did you guys see the one about the PS5 game getting in trouble over its visual styling?
tough sierra
Not a single person would really think that the term slave driver refers to that.
It'd have to be such a bizzar situation for that to mean such.
foggy path
oh really, have you watched any news from the US recently lol
pearl elk
pearl elk
that does totally look like a Rasta with a joint lol
tough sierra
Oh come on
foggy path
Ku-Klux Klan is still active
it's not considered a criminal organization
how's that for "not reasonable" :P
pearl elk
since the Stop ERA times the Klan has used the confederate battle flag which is why its being banned
foggy path
I should note that america has good parts too, I'm generalizing somewhat
north torrent
I think I just walked into something I shouldn't have.
tough sierra
It's criminal when there's criminal activity ordered, or maybe when even done to a fair extent? Come to think of it a lot of organizations might be considered criminal.
north torrent
Walmart.
foggy path
Yeah, I'm just saying that in a country where the KKK is still allowed and there's still crazies who support it, maybe some of them do take the word slave driver to mean exactly that
tough sierra
As long as they don't actually "do" anything, the law can't interfere.
Nor should.
When they do, it should.
foggy path
You should look into the org if you think they don't do anything like that lol
tough sierra
As far as being publically accepted that's another matter.
I hear rumors of other organizations claiming to be holy doing all sorts of crap while being really dirty, but i've not the actual knowledge to really say what should be done.
foggy path
Yeah, I'm just saying that for normal reasonable people changing words seems like it's pretty nuts, but really there is a reason for it in some cases
rancid nymph
I think pc goes too far at some point ....racists are idiots and will always be idiots
foggy path
It's just a very complicated topic
north torrent
Do you think the world with built for smart people, Mr. CraigB?
tough sierra
Smart is relative.
rancid nymph
I don't but you can't fix stupid
tough sierra
There's always variance.
I don't think i'm really that smart, more average though.
But it still seems like an overall struggle.
rancid nymph
Yeah but you are not a moron
north torrent
I think people that can think rationally are the minority, so most things in this world are set up for the other 75% who don't know what is going on.
tough sierra
At first I disagreed with that but..
Come to think of it schooling is set that way.
north torrent
So when the government makes rules to keep the stupid people from hurting themselves, I just assume those rules weren't set up with me in mind, and I don't bother getting offended.
tough sierra
It's not a place for learning it's a place for being disciplined.
north torrent
The US has no consistency with education so I find any blanket statement about the US education system to be false.
tough sierra
Maybe my perspective wouldn't have the best outcome but i assume that if you don't make things idiot proof they would eventually learn.
Actually fair point.
Somewhat.
north torrent
Most is controlled at a very local level with a lot of the standardized testing being at the state level. Very little standards or guidelines happen on a federal level.
tough sierra
I just remember ungodly amounts of homework which made it harder to actually learn.
north torrent
I actually almost never give homework.
tough sierra
The homework here counts for the vast majority of the grade btw.
tough sierra
Over here it does vary by state.
north torrent
The kids with homework are the ones who were screwing around in class and didn't finish in the reasonable amount of time I gave them.
tough sierra
Ah
I did end up having that to, but at the same time I can't see the board or the books very well. So actually it's not easy to generalize then.
Still, it's the most traumatizing experience I had, even above nearly being killed.
north torrent
Sometimes I literally gave all the answers in class, just straight up standing in front of the whole class saying, "The answer to number 1 is 'cowbell'.
And the students with homework is because they simply didn't write down the answers I gave them...
rancid nymph
I did ok in school with teachers that made their lessons interesting
foggy path
I had a history teacher who really liked Hitler's speeches
lol
Not for their content mind you, he just thought he was a very effective speaker
tough sierra
How many of you would say a lot of the material you had to process was based on relative learning?
Instead of raw memorization?
Oh wow a meta thinker.
rancid nymph
well Hitler convinced the German people
north torrent
I would never send a kid into the Chinese public education system. It is pure memorization and learning how to pass standardized tests.
tough sierra
I still wonder if he really did that or just became a puppet to the people, or maybe a bit of both.
foggy path
Yeah I don't think there's doubt about the fact he was a very effective speaker to work the crowds of the time
Probably one of the few good things that can be said about him lol
I guess his painting didn't totally suck?
tough sierra
The lecture i saw, the psychology teacher mentioned that asian education systems are overly memorization based, which fuck would have for sure caused me to commit suicide >.<
rancid nymph
His hair and tache certainly did
foggy path
lol
north torrent
He did save the economy before he brought the country into an unwinnable war, killed a bunch of Jews, and then committed suicide.
foggy path
Yeah I've heard the same about the japanese education system, don't really know about the rest
tough sierra
I wonder if ambition begets anger.
rancid nymph
I think power just goes to their heads
tough sierra
Funny how you simply explained the obvious that I somehow keep forgetting.
Though.
I used to be overly ambitious and spiteful, but very unproductive(toward the end).
north torrent
I've had students struggle when I ask them to just come up with something on their own.
Something simple like, "The __________ went to the moon on a rocket ship".
I'm like, "Just give me a noun" and the kid can do all the noun homework, but just doesn't know what to do when the answer isn't in the book.
north torrent
Write down octopus, write down cow, write down chair for all I care... Just choose a noun for yourself...
tough sierra
Part of it's that it feels scary.
north torrent
I make my students do creative writing, but at my old school it would take a full semester to get them able to.
My new school is quite a bit different. My students are making paper space ships and colonizing paper Mars.
One of my students brought two paper nuclear reactors and then 3 students went to the north pole of Mars and melted it.
Nobody brought a boat however, so all 3 of them are now stranded in Mars' new ocean...
tough sierra
Oh nice.
north torrent
Then another student started a war in space... sigh...
rancid nymph
"The CraigB went to the moon on a rocket ship".
@north torrent
north torrent
But at least they are being creative with what they learned, even if the human race dies because of them...
tough sierra
You really seem passionate about teaching though.
It was only a few years ago I could really appreciate the difficulty of trying to teach anything really. You have to give some form of agency, accounting for a variety of people is hard.
It's a lot of work.
The only thing that really freed me to have agency, was learning programming. After that seeking out knowledge and really finding my purpose was so much easier.
north torrent
Especially when you are making a guided story with the class and you make a character, then you ask the class, "So What is Princess Mango Minder Madness going to do next?" and everyone just blurts out. "She dies!"
It's the freaken first page of the story... slams head on desk
north torrent
Teaching students to research on their own is one of the core elements of my new school.
tough sierra
The more creative freedom you give even.
Oh hell nice.
That's going to be a lot harder to do.
But the rewards to them is a lot greater.
north torrent
A lot of the time I'm like, "Ok, if you don't want to do what I suggested that is totally fine, just go research how much blah blah blah you are going to need to sustain a population of turtles on Mars..."
tough sierra
Takes a bit too much time to keep things in order?
Wish there was a bunch of learning mediums like programming, something you can give to them that they'd play with on their own time, that'd give them immediate feedback but that they could use to perpetuate them toward new things.
I guess that's easier when you're an adult and your goals/personality really starts to set in.
tough sierra
Ehehe
I found it beautiful that when programming, I'd know if my logic/assumptions where right or not. It was like the gateway into reality that never existed before hand. Was what birthed my personality and sense of agency really.
north torrent
I'm going to teach a class in Unreal this summer if anyone signs up for it.
tough sierra
O . O
tough sierra
If you highlight the words "making games" i'm sure you'll get lots of interested students.
Highschool for sure.
north torrent
Actually, I was told to highlight the non-game parts because the parents are the ones signing up...
north torrent
A lot of parents in China don't want their kids playing videogames.
tough sierra
Yeah, i bet they feel similar about creative passions in general, or even scientific stuff to some extent if it'd not pay well.
Even if you don't go into those things for a living though.
I think people need to experience variety and have fun.
Just to stay healthy and sane.
I admire ya though, you're trying ^-^
north torrent
I wish the world as a whole had more of an emphasis on adults having hobbies... But that's sort of a vague abstract thing...
tough sierra
Fair point.
If it was just me taking care of myself honestly i'm happy being piss poor for a while so long as i've people to love and have the freedom to explore the world through hobbies.
north torrent
I wish when I was in highschool my teachers had never told me to pursue my hobby as a career.
I wish I had pursued a job as a job and my hobby as my hobby.
tough sierra
Awww
north torrent
But it seems like humans are expected to give up their hobbies as soon as they graduate and no longer have the big playoff game or the big band concert to look forward to.
I think the world would be better off if more trumpet players kept playing trumpet even though their jobs are in office buildings.
tough sierra
Awwww
Hell the introduction i got into music in schooling, though I felt scared to keep practicing, ended up being why I got back into it a few years ago maybe.
I play the violin, acoustic guitar, and piano just for myself.
Lucky to have a neighbor who's deaf. (asked her multiple times if she ever heard anything)
And it's one of the must fulfilling things ever.
north torrent
And she just answered, "What did you say? Did I fear the red ring?"
tough sierra
Ehehe
Na part of me wonders if she was honest about it.
Might have a hearing aid, I tend to be more active at night >.>
Still.
north torrent
The only one of those that would require a reasonable neighbor is the violin.
tough sierra
That's the one I started on at first actually.
Oh god it was hard but fun.
I still can't read notes.
So playing by ear with that one as a starter was probably best, focused on singular notes, and gies variety for pitch.
What I really mean is, I agree with you.
I wish people could experience the kind of joys I've found in life and the peace i'm aiming for, without having to rely on being distracted by having their own families and kids before they figure themselves out enough to make the best of it.
There'd be a lot less pain in theory.
north torrent
I'm watching a chinchilla run through a cardboard Minecraft maze...
tough sierra
I wonder why they thought to do that.
north torrent
I don't know, but the small humans like it.
tough sierra
Ah hehe
north torrent
Small humans are easily amused.
tough sierra
Very.
Maybe that's somewhat a good trait.
God I love the internet.
It's not even just the tons of articles and material I get to learn from, talking with people like this is just so amazing and informative and constructive.
north torrent
Well, I'm going to go walk home now. Gotta see if my monitor was delivered while I was at school.
tough sierra
Oh fun.
Be safe o/
I'm sorry to everyone for starting that rant and appreciate the civility.
foggy path
I have some difficulties believing Mao actually would want to teach anyone anything... last time I tried to ask him a question about a topic I assume he knew about he just threw a fit
Maybe he was just having a bad day ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
tough sierra
Could be fatigue ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
foggy path
I just noticed what I said above about Mao has a bit of a snarky tone - that is unintentional :)
north torrent
It is a common tactic for people on the internet to take a subject like 'global warming' for and then just keep asking disingenuous questions until the person who is defending global warming gets tired of explaining. Then the person on the right uses that as 'evidence' that he won the debate and global warming isn't real because blah blah blah can't explain every little detail.
It isn't that global warming isn't clearly documented by science, but nobody has the time to explain every last detail to someone on the right who isn't even seriously asking questions, but is just trying to find a 'gotcha' moment in the person's explanation.
So when people ask me questions in a way to try to trip me up as opposed to wanting to learn, I just shut down the conversation right there. I don't care about 'winning' debates because nobody ever wins anything on the internet.
The facts are the facts and if people don't want to believe in the facts that isn't my problem.
I view it more like, "hey I will play basketball with you" but then once people start cheating at basketball or having a debate, then I might as well just stop playing.
north torrent
I don't understand.
wet egret
Some guy in the server sent this
foggy path
@north torrent honestly I don't know why you have such a hard time believing that I was just genuinely interested... I have better things to do than troll on a discord like this :P
It's not like you've never seen me here before so you should know that I'm not some rando who just talks shit
north torrent
Baseless China blaming is a common trope in 2020.
foggy path
I do apologize that I may have gotten a bit frustrated with the way the conversation was going at the time
It's honestly just an interesting topic particularly because it's hard to get different views on topics like that
I have a friend who works in the games industry who often travels to china on business and he often has interesting things to say about it which you never really hear anyone talk about
pearl elk
I however am a rando who just talks shit
foggy path
lol
pearl elk
but its big shit, like dinosaur shit so its impressive ๐
north torrent
I like to discuss the pros and cons of China or the US. I am not particularly loyal or a fan of either overall.
But I don't particularly feel like I need to defend China against baseless claims that they were hiding the corona virus.
China is certainly not above hiding things from the world. They are hiding tons of stuff.
But like I said, China doesn't care about Wuhan and China cares a whole damn lot about Beijing and Shanghai. As a result, if China had known even an hour sooner, they would have shut down Wuhan an hour sooner.
Does that make China good people? Probably not... being willing to sacrifice poor people to save your economic centers isn't something to be proud of.
foggy path
yeah I was watching a stream yesterday and the streamer was walking outside and literally just zooming into piles of shit
"Oh look cow shit!"
"I didn't know there are cows here"
north torrent
But in this case, there is no logical reason to think China would try to hide a virus and risk it spreading to the economic centers. Any argument that China was hiding the virus requires China to be working against their own best interests.
And generally an argument that requires people to go against their own best interest isn't valid. I am sure there are exceptions, but not a lot.
pearl elk
With a population the size of Chinas I do believe its possible for an epidemic like Corona to be missed for awhile. Its not like Italy was hiding it either, they didnt even know what it was, they called it unknown pneumonia
north torrent
There were without a doubt people in Wuhan that were hiding it. They didn't want the wrath of the Chinese government coming down upon them.
There were people in Wuhan who knew they screwed up and didn't want anyone knowing about it.
But that was a crime against China. The Chinese government were the people they were hiding things from, not the people hiding the things.
foggy path
So I'm still trying to understand how the government officials in wuhan, put in place by the state, to govern Wuhan, are not part of the larger whole of chinese government
I mean obviously they're not the same as the people who give the orders in Beijing
and local politics are different than country-wide politics
foggy path
by definition being the one in charge?
pearl elk
Our travel restrictions from China didnt even come into play till like mid march and even then they were lax
north torrent
If you are some dude in Wuhan who messed up your job and let a virus spread, then you covered it up and liked to Xi Jinping, then you are a criminal against China, not a part of the Chinese government.
pearl elk
China might have been slow but so were most of the worlds other governments
The WHO certainly arnt covering for China
north torrent
China is not a grassroots government. Things aren't structured from the ground up.
zinc matrix
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post your ones here
north torrent
The United States has local elections, those people end up moving up into state level representatives. Those people then join the discussion as part of the federal level congress.
Xi Jingping was not put into power by being chosen by leaders from different provinces.
It is a top down structure.
If the officials in Shenzhen were to go against the Communist Party then they would be no different than if you hired a house cleaner and he/she stole money from you. You aren't to blame for stealing for yourself.
You might be to blame for not running a background check. But you can't be guilty of stealing from yourself.
In the same way, you can't be guilty of withholding information from yourself.
pearl elk
We have a similar thing here, Australia is a federation of states, the state governments have control over certain things and need to ask assistance from the Feds
foggy path
Right, so if the leadership (or whatever you'd call it) in Shenzen or Wuhan are not part of the collective "chinese government", then what should they be called as a group?
pearl elk
They are the state/district government
north torrent
They are people hired to run local level red tape.
foggy path
yeah that's the thing, those kinds of people are generally called "government" which is what's confusing me :P
Maybe they don't have any power outside of their local state but still
pearl elk
Thats a mistake many voters make is they blame the federal government for the issues of state or vice versa
north torrent
Well either way, you can't be guilty of withholding information from yourself.
So whatever semantics you want to argue, it is just semantics to push an illogical point.
foggy path
well I'm just trying to understand the perspective
pearl elk
If you were to say Australian Government for instance you are referring solely to the Feds, who dont actually have any jurisdiction in the States that isnt given to them by the State Governments. Pretty sure most countries have a similar structure, like the US, all states have to ratify certain laws for them to become federal
foggy path
because from the perspective of westerners who call local leadership part of their government, that perspective would point to the chinese government being at fault
that doesn't mean that it removes the possibility of internal issues like what you said about Wuhan local goverment hiding information
pearl elk
I have never heard anyone call the Government of Idaho the US Government ๐
north torrent
But to blame China for withholding critical virus information is a very disingenuous way of twisting and perverting the fact that the criminals in Wuhan were on the payroll of the Chinese government.
foggy path
we don't have so much local government in here anyway I guess, cities make decisions about certain things but generally the big strokes come down from the top
north torrent
You can twist the semantics if you want, but it is a perversion of the reality.
But how is the Prime Minister elected? By a majority of the parliament, right?
I may be wrong on that, I don't know European politics well.
But that was my understanding about the difference between a president who is elected by an election and a Prime Minister.
pearl elk
surely you dont blame the entire Union for the actions of a single country in Europe?
foggy path
I'm not sure if that comparison makes sense because EU is not a country
Comparing state vs union level in the US would probably be more apt
it sounds similar to how china manages it I guess at least to some degree
north torrent
The difference between a US State and a Chinese Province is that the US is build from the ground up. China is built from the top down.
If the US was like China, Washington DC would have priority over everyone else. They would not have to answer to what Minnesota or Oklahoma or Florida wants.
But the US is quite the opposite. If tRump for example angers Michigan, then he loses the next election without their votes.
If he angers Utah, he could lose that valuable majority he has in the Senate.
Washington DC is no more or less important than any other city when it comes to how the US spends its money. China isn't like that.
China is a huge country, and there are really two Chinas... maybe three...
China has become 'rich' in certain uses of the word. But if you took all the money China has and equally distributed it you would see that China per person is about on the same wealth level as Mexico.
But in Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, there is a huge upper class of people driving around in Ferrari and Lamborghini, buying 70 floor apartment complexes, not homes to rent out...
It is two separate worlds, between these first tier cities and what they refer to as 'the village'.
My paycheck in Shanghai is about 12x what the average person in 'the village' earns a month.
pearl elk
We see a similar sort of wealth distribution is most countries
So while we fight amongst ourselves the rich just keep getting richer
Look at UE though, free for everyone, small amount of tax to pay but because its a company no one gets accused of communism hehe
north torrent
I don't think it is so clearly divided on the government level as in China though.
Hong Kong clearly has a much larger gap in income between the rich and the poor.
It just seems more ingrained into the governing system in the Chinese government.
In the US for example the gap between the rich and the poor just keeps growing, but people are indoctrinated to believe all sorts of crazy stuff like, "We should be thankful for the job creators for letting us work" or that "People who work the hardest disserve more, and obviously Jeff Beezo put in 20,000,000 times more hours at work than you".
So it isn't the wealth gap that is unique about China's system, just the way it is addressed.
pearl elk
I love how some of my friends arguing for the police atm are also against taxation, its like duuuh how do you think the cops get paid
north torrent
Hmmmm... cheeseburger or pizza....
Oh, I forgot to tell you, my students dropped a comet on paper Australia on paper Earth...
I put the comet there because it has NH4 aka Ammonia on it. And it will break down to give paper Mars some much needed Nitrogen in the atmosphere...
But no... they dropped it on Australia, not paper Mars...
pearl elk
Are they upset over the beef tariff? That wasnt our doing
north torrent
No, that was the first regret they had, they didn't know where else to get beef.
One of my students said, "Well, we can get beef from this part of China, but it doesn't taste good like Australian beef..."
pearl elk
To be fair I would pick Australia too since its low population and plenty of empty space
north torrent
I would just not drop the comet and let it keep flying...
It wasn't bothering anyone, just floating through space.
pearl elk
Wheres the fun in that
north torrent
Well, like I said, Mars need Nitrogen.
pearl elk
No good movie ever came out of a comet flying past Earth
north torrent
Three of my students used a nuclear power plant to melt the north pole of Mars. Now they are stuck in the middle of the ocean because nobody brought a boat to Mars.
pearl elk
surfs up dude
north torrent
I don't even know how an ocean would work with next to no atmosphere and Mars having no magnetosphere protection from the sun...
pearl elk
Well if the melting of that much water doesnt make an atmosphere it would probably just freeze again at night time
Id say your students are fossilized ๐
snow peas, cabbage and cheese
Im gonna have Wagyu burgers tomorrow night ๐
north torrent
I tried a new burger place.
It's called 'Angry Burger' and I got the 'Super Jumbo Hamburge' typo and all.
foggy path
Sounds promising
north torrent
There is an egg on it.
And bacon... But it is Chinese... so probably not bacon bacon...
pearl elk
now Im curious as to what human bacon tastes like
I did watch Silence of the Lambs last night after all
foggy path
I've heard human meat tastes like chicken lol
north torrent
Pork is the cheapest meat in China, so it is certainly from a Pig. They just don't generally have the same cuts so the bacon is thicker and doesn't get crispy like in the US.
pearl elk
Or maybe human bacon isnt as crispy ๐
awww damn those new curvy Samsung monitors are expensive
north torrent
I just got my curved ultrawide in the mail today.
I would be more excited, but the guy who shipped it to me didn't send the power brick...
So I can't use it.
That's actually cheaper than the monitor I want, Mr. Olympus.
Maybe being that curved would make 32:9 actually usable without inducing claustrophobia... Maybe...
I'll have to try it once they are on showroom floors.
pearl elk
oh thats right I did see an article about a VR dev who is blaming the headsets for his vision problems
Thats an interesting development, there is some research to suggest VR isnt an issue but its not like its been around long enough to really have a large sample base or extensive tests
north torrent
I'm not hopping on the VR bandwagon anytime soon.
foggy path
Yeah that thing with your eye focus being weird in VR has been something I've wondered about as well
Effectively everything is also at the same distance as far as your eyes are concerned, like if you look at something up close, and then something far, your eyes don't adjust focus
mossy nexus
Use passthrough, and never take off the HMD. Problem Solvedโข
foggy path
connect eyes directly to GPU
just stick a DP cable into each eyesocket
I'm sure there's a body horror film with something like that
mossy nexus
No doubt. Sounds like something Saw would have.
foggy path
feels more like something in the style of Tetsuo :D
mossy nexus
Not familiar with that, well nor Saw really never watched any of them ๐
tulip orbit
you never saw saw? I've also never seen saw
north torrent
I've been on a see saw...
mossy nexus
I have several saws, even owned a few chainsaws but never saw Saw.
What do blind people call see-saws? ๐ค
tulip orbit
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naive ether
sage tendon
i saw saw once, but when i noticed it wasnt about saws I disliked it
zinc matrix
Better Call Saw
fluid bloom
curved monitors.... smh....
fathom wadi
Anyone read any advanced physical animation tutorials worth a read? The UE4 method is straight forward blending, but in the UE5 demo it seemed one step beyond. Like it had attractors for bones/anims when certain scenery was near. ie. sliding through the crack in the cave wall, the hands were very reactive.
pearl elk
If youre gonna watch Saw just watch the first one
Its got some cool cinematography tricks in it
tulip orbit
I got my character mesh ingame, on the ue4 skeleton.... I'm so freaking happy
now to make the high-res mesh, and prep it for baking/texturing
tulip orbit
3d realms is still a thing?
plucky pagoda
@fathom wadi You could probably do all the reactive animation that they showed now using a combination or traces or collision volumes, base poses or data, and IK. There's a lot of data driven animation stuff going on too. If you've not seen some of the quadruped demos (I forget who did the ones I'm thinking of) they're something worth checking out.
fathom wadi
yeah Ive got an idea how to go about it but I wanted to do it right. I figured some interfaced objects with collision could trigger a pose anim of some kind. Not sure if there are some better options these days. I've noticed a few things advancing the tech from siggraph and other places
plucky pagoda
No idea how the pros do it but I use custom collision channels with traces and volumes.
I have a channel for anything that should react to the visible mesh like its hand or foot. That way the actual movement collision can differ from what the rendered mesh responds to.
Yeah, there's some next level stuff going on now. It's way over my head.
fathom wadi
same. this is a grab from the talk im watching lol
plucky pagoda
There was a really insane demo using a dog or something not long ago. IIRC they used intermediate poses and data to blend between them.
fathom wadi
yeah the siggraph demo with the neural ai determining the spline
plucky pagoda
Yeah, anytime I start seeing calculus and deltas I hope for a way to just plug it in and pretend it's magic
fathom wadi
fathom wadi
yeah thats what started me on the idea of doing some phys anim work
not neural network but something a bit more gamified
plucky pagoda
The most I've done is use change in rotation, ground slope, and vertical surfaces to move with IK or drive animations in blends.
Imagine a point where we can just plug something like that in for bipeds or quadrupeds.
fathom wadi
can probably do something with the control rig and the ik setups with that. I mean you can write entirely new unit nodes for it, so if you can code it, you can use it
plucky pagoda
I'm getting ready to dive into control rig now. I've been learning Zbrush since character creation and animation have been my biggest roadblocks. Idk, I can't imagine I'll ever like animating but I'm going to give it a shot.
fathom wadi
im using it atm to create scale matched animations in my scenes. It's pretty damn good
plucky pagoda
Cool, I never really liked using All Right Rig. The only work flow I ever did manage to find ok was using Maya but the LT version didn't have the tools I used.
fathom wadi
you can create a pose asset from the rig at any point too. So if you like procedural animation, just slam out some poses, interp between, job done. Also you can retarget the pose asset so you keep your mannequin and control rig entirely seperate from your characters
plucky pagoda
Most of the time I don't need much. I'm either making a transition animation or cleaning something up.
Nice.
That spiderman thing that's been going around, he shared the project and it's almost all static poses selected by state
fathom wadi
I did a dynamic fighting system with pose assets and some intermediate anims. All driven with a combo system to flow naturally between moves. Its a really handy tool
plucky pagoda
Watching the gam jam play throughs and the over abundance of the same assets and animations increased my motivation to make my own.
Cool, I'm going to make a charater in Zbrush, rig it and then animate with control rig to see how it goes.
Blender 2.8 has been a big help too
With that, Zbrush price coming down and control rig I think it might be a good setup.
I bought Auto-Rig Pro for blender and it automates most of the skinning and gives you an ik rig in blender.
cerulean moss
Hey! Does anyone know of a free/cheap graphic organizer software to use with a team? (For graphically representing game mechanics/world/content etc.)
I don't even know if that's what they're called. ๐
plucky pagoda
Like vizio? Evernote, openoffice draw, There's a few free UML tools out there too
cerulean moss
Yes! Apparently, like visio yes ๐ I need it to share/freely edit with my (otherwise small - 3 ppl) team various game design/ideas/world tree with levels & content - you know, and apparently, complicated tables is a bad idea when things get ....complicated ๐
versed thicket
There's also Trello if you'd like to do it in a bit of a "card" format.
plucky pagoda
Idr the names but there's a few free or low cost blackboard/whitboard web based tools out there. Trello might not be quite right for graphing functionality or structure but it does a good job for tasks.
cerulean moss
There's also Trello if you'd like to do it in a bit of a "card" format.
@versed thicket just looked at it and it's linear - won't do, but thank you for ur hlp ๐
versed thicket
Gotcha, Sure thing! ๐๐พ
cerulean moss
Well thanks alot for your help guys, found draw.io - apparently it works with google drive which is great, and what I was looking for are called flowcharts apparently ๐ Thanks for getting me on track @plucky pagoda ๐
azure chasm
ummm
fake right?
somebody take this $%# down
@hollow zephyr
at the top of the video it says give us BTC and we will double it for you
as if it was epic games...
plucky pagoda
just hit the flag button and report but another one will be up in 30 seconds
hollow zephyr
@azure chasm Thanks for the report. This is not legit.
azure chasm
i almost fell for it lol.. but then i was like what. im gonna make some bitcoins, then what do i even do with that
plucky pagoda
There's a whole bunch of them right now. Mostly it looks like compromised YouTube accounts. They're using BitCoin and fortnite store codes.
zinc matrix
if you almost fell for that then it was almost natural selection
azure chasm
you are a bored man john
zinc matrix
no
soft night
earlier there was elon musk thing
soft night
i dont have beird anymore either
zinc matrix
not sure what is beird, i mean head hair
on the roof
if you are bald can you polish your head with wax or something so it shines like 100% metallic material
plucky pagoda
The bit coin one seems smarter. Might get more people to fall for the Fortnite one but there at least there's a chance Epic might stop them from receiving anything.
soft night
strange how when cut hair the hair on top feels and when hair grows that top head it not grow so well
chilly igloo
just hit the flag button and report but another one will be up in 30 seconds
@plucky pagoda probably yes but its not a reason for just pass by.
chilly igloo
Never said it was. I reported it too.,
@plucky pagoda probably i took it as something like "meh, just pass by, fighting with this is useless". Sorry, my bad then ๐ฌ
plucky pagoda
I can't do anything about how you interpret words that aren't there
warm swallow
north torrent
8tb...
Sounds like someone needs a new motherboard.
Maybe a new keyboard?
Desk?
Mousepad?
tulip orbit
House?
north torrent
Horse?
Do you like blueberry pancakes, Mr. Ponkkis?
Will you grow pancakes?
I'm making a little prototype of a farm to table type farming game. The focus is on making finished meals and such with just the stuff you grow.
But since it is a prototype I am using the absolute minimum amount of things you can grow.
You get wheat, bumblebees, and a goose...
It may or may not go anywhere. Just something I was trying. I have a windmill in my game, so I figures I could use it to mill wheat into flour or something.
I find that every farming/growing game on the market shoots for quantity over quality. So if I were to keep working on this brainstorming prototype thing, I would certainly be focused on small scale high quality.
north torrent
Life isn't meant to be easy.
tulip orbit
if its not easy, then whats the point?
plucky pagoda
Wow, Zremesher has come a long way.
Just went from over a million points to under 10k and still looks good.
tulip orbit
I sculpted my character in blender, and retoplogised by hand :/
Uhhh.... I dunno? that would be awesome if it did
plucky pagoda
idk, last time i used either I still needed to do a lot by hand. This is usable as is.
tulip orbit
hm. the built in one doesnt follow edges and such
plucky pagoda
I'm trying to make some stylized characters for a 3D platformer. I'm pretty happy with it. There is one spot that needs touched up but the sculpt was sloppy there.
Went from this :
to this with with the click of a button.
tulip orbit
nice
plucky pagoda
I suspect using a drawing tablet is the big difference
tulip orbit
I really enjoyed sculpting in blender, just need practice
plucky pagoda
I jsut started working through the flipped normals tutorials today
Blender to me seemed too unresponsive
with sculpting
tulip orbit
I was up to about 250k for the whole char, worked pretty good
plucky pagoda
cool.
Zbrush is under $40 a month now so I'm on a trial. I think I'm going to keep using it afterward.
I've been looking at some of the texure painting you can do in Zbrush.
tulip orbit
I should have spent more time on the sculpt of my model, its really rough
But it turned out ok
the head sucks tho, I need to redo it
plucky pagoda
That's decent. The legs are good.
Legs and arms look just as good as some of the stuff on the market.
tulip orbit
For my first sculpt/character, I'm pretty happy
plucky pagoda
same. Technically that's my second since I made an abomination starfish once before
It seems like Zbrush has really come a long way
tulip orbit
the sculpting let me rough out the shapes, try things, easily and quickly
plucky pagoda
I'm using a cheap Huion one that was about $50
I want to get the XPPen pro display one
tulip orbit
alll mouse baby
plucky pagoda
Buy a cheap tablet. The pen makes a huge difference with sculpting, painting, etc..
tulip orbit
one day when I have some money
plucky pagoda
I'm in awe. I can't belive how easy it was to get decent topology.
Next I guess to see how well it does with stuff that needs to deform
Maybe, I think you can likely set it up to not need to do much. I just fixed some sculpting and then remeshed again and it was better. Idk, about to work through some of the turorials.
sharp wolf
sighhhh. Nothing like loosing 20 hours of work. :/
i was in a migration of our NPC system, so i couldnt submit with it 1/2 broken. Then i didnt submit once integrated... and began to rip out the old system.... which corrupted everything.
๐ its been quite a while since something like this happened.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, wow. That's a lot of work between submits.
drowsy bison
meager sorrel
hi
rare sparrow
pearl elk
Wheres Google recommending a post from 2001 ๐
Also, would anyone here call Epic Games Inc a startup?
pearl elk
Yeah I mean I guess technically it is but I feel like its abit part the start ๐
foggy path
wait
even the fucking article says so...
Epic Games, which was founded in 1991
The article literally says this
:D
pearl elk
if its 30yrs to start imagine how long it'll take to finish hehe
but wait theres more
tough sierra
Eh it's half true.
you will for sure take the mask off before it'd kill you, if it even could.
There is for sure a build up and I notice it hinder my ability to think when working heavily.
pearl elk
Please dont
If a neurosurgeon can do their job with a mask on for hours Im sure you'll be fine
foggy path
I think the difference there is working heavily
if you do sports then I could see it affecting your breathing since it does obscure it more than not having a mask
but if you're not exerting yourself then it shouldn't really matter
tough sierra
when you have to move around a fair bit and breath heavier to keep up, it's noticeable.
pearl elk
that has nothing to do with carbon dioxide
foggy path
true, it's just about oxygen :P
for it to be about carbon dioxide you would actually have to breathe in carbon dioxide
pearl elk
people literally think wearing a mask is akin to putting a car exhaust in your mouth atm
tough sierra
whatever it is exactly it does hinder, hell if you ever sleep with the cover over your head you'll notice that there's a difference depending on your heart rate as to how comfortable it feels.
pearl elk
and Forbes felt they needed to print this because of all the hysteria and misinformation
tough sierra
na it's not that bad.
pearl elk
Its great but think about who Forbes audience is
foggy path
I always assumed it was a business / finance magazine
pearl elk
its not people who read the rags, its people with business sense, leaders and the like
foggy path
it doesn't make them immune to misinformation
tough sierra
actually that might be intentional then, there's a fair bit of employees that fight against wearing them.
pearl elk
so if they felt the need to print it these conspiracies are pretty prolific
foggy path
ah
tough sierra
cause frankly it is for sure hindering productivity to some degree and being annoying.
pearl elk
America... duuuh yeah
foggy path
lol
I don't think employees are fighting against wearing them
If anything, the employer would be the one fighting against it because they don't give a shit about employee health
pearl elk
but maybe youre right, perhaps this is an attempt to give business managers etc tools to fight the conspiracy theories coming from workers
foggy path
:P
tough sierra
not openly but subconsciously, at least at the place i'm working at, i complain about it but i'm the last one to take it off.
rest give up half way through the day.
foggy path
sure griping about something is different about not wanting to wear it, it's like wearing clumsy safety equipment :D
pearl elk
I can certainly see masks being uncomfortable, Im lucky I havent been forced to wear one. I think our states been almost virus free for a few weeks
foggy path
also that Tesla factory thing where Elon Musk threw a fit? Apparently there's now a whole bunch of corona infections there... who knew!
tough sierra
i work at a pizza hut, and our entire food chain is supposed to be making heavy use of them. we got a ton shipped to us and we might get in trouble if caught without, when your moving lots of stuff around, hell even dish washing like I do there's a lot of focus and mobility required. in order to keep up with the insane demand and actually clean decently.
what happened?
foggy path
Musk basically threatened the state with a bunch of shit if they didn't let him reopen the factory
so they reopened... and now there's a lot of corona infections amongst the workers :P
I have a couple of friends who were the biggest Elon Musk fanboys, they've been slowly discovering that he's kind of a dbag lol
tough sierra
i could understand the salt, it's not a food business.
hopefully it can't exactly spread through the product further into society.
honestly am hoping we never have to close down.
finally got a bit in the green recently with savings, don't want to be in the red again.
pearl elk
yeah Im on the fence about Elon, one hand he does some fantastic stuff on the other he's a child
tough sierra
everyone's flawed if you look hard enough. maybe more so than we realize. or am guessing.
i'm probably just as guilty of it but something about callout culture just seems counter productive, we'd all be on the chopping block.
pearl elk
Its not so much about being flawed is his lack of self awareness online, someone like me I can blurt out crap all I want cuz very few people are watching
tough sierra
about that.
i suspect one quirk required to succeed is to not care about appearing perfect. being able to admit flaws openly.
foggy path
Probably but it's also about being able to adjust
pearl elk
Thats not it though, he's perfect in his mind much like how Trump acts
tough sierra
or in general people are too fearful to expose themselves to try new things.
foggy path
And blurting stupid shit is kind of.. yeah I dunno
:D
There's tons of successful people who don't say stupid shit so I don't think that's the case
tough sierra
hmm you've a point i don't have that figured out right yet.
pearl elk
If he'd actually come out and say you know what I fucked up, but he's really only done that once and thats when he was threatened with being replaced as CEO
tough sierra
anyone i hear about that seems popular though ends up having lots of bad press.
though
tough sierra
i'm not exposed too much, having lived in a cave.
pearl elk
Bill Gates is a tricky one because he's not the man that took on Apple anymore
foggy path
Yeah, but his sort of controversies were always more about business practices
pearl elk
Young Bill is surely more head strong than old Bill
foggy path
I don't think he ever really had people problems
tough sierra
if you read john carmack's post about his experience talking with him, it's all the more weird.
foggy path
at least not in public
tough sierra
he is supposedly really intelligent even still.
i'm not sure what he puts his attention toward though.
pearl elk
Philanthropy mostly these days, trying to bring clean water to every corner of the globe
tough sierra
sounds as spread thin in ambitions as i am.
maybe.
i wish i could understand what the life of someone like that is like, what they think and go through.
honestly i want to be more productive and hopefully find ways to bring something nice to the world.
foggy path
Read some books on those topics
I can't recommend any off the top of my head, but I'm fairly sure there are biographies of successful people that I've heard of, and books on productivity and psychology
tough sierra
the latter two things i've picked up bits and pieces, and it's helped, but it's not perfect yet, i'm still lacking experience and discipline. but appreciate those references.
supposedly for the most part.
with a bit of luck, making the right habits, and influencing the subconscious through the environment are strong methods to shape one's mind toward being productive.
example i watched a lecture that recommended using something like a desk lamp if your stuck in one room to work/eat/sleep in like a lot of college students are.
something that you only use when you study.
foggy path
Oh yeah like building a habit for it?
I've heard of some people using methods like that to sort of go into a "mode" for work or study
pearl elk
I find biographies interesting actually, theres been a few really good ones done on film lately. Tolkien was brilliant I thought, same with Theory of Everything
tough sierra
yeah, our time is spent on distractions, which are based on impulses more than anything, it's not fully internal, there's external triggers.
foggy path
with remote working the typical suggestion is to dress up like you'd be at work
tough sierra
yeah that's it.
pearl elk
The Genius series by NatGeo, those are good too
tough sierra
Tolkien? Isn't that some author of some mythology or fiction?
pearl elk
Yeah Lord of the Rings
pearl elk
Its not long, unfortunately its a feature film so its not as indepth as the Genius ones about Picasso and Einstein but they did a really good job to focus on the most prominent bits
foggy path
I've heard Arnold Schwarzenegger's memoir is quite good as well
tough sierra
Einstein from the impression I had, was more just a deep thinker that was lucky enough to have the luxury to get away from the world for the most part. and found a cool niche in doing so.
wait for a movie actor really?
foggy path
I mean he's a bit more than just an actor
tough sierra
hmm not kept up with his history.
foggy path
I mean he was an extremely successful bodybuilder, immigrated into the US, became perhaps the biggest movie star of the 90s, and became a very successful politician
tough sierra
i wonder if that's in large because of an outgoing personality.
it's hard to describe.
foggy path
All of those seem like they require a crazy amount of perseverence though
Arnold's first movie was frankly trash :D
tough sierra
honestly.
foggy path
They overdubbed him because his accent was too hard to understand lol
tough sierra
having done game dev i wonder if everyone else failed as much as i have to some degree before getting where they want.
you have to fail.
in order to really get anywhere.
foggy path
Probably
I don't consider much of what I've done as failure tbh
I've just never really finished any of the game stuff in particular lol
tough sierra
i think if i had not scrapped all those old projects, but advertised them a bit, and put them all in a portfolio instead, i'd be working the dream job about now.
even making blogs about how they failed and why.
foggy path
Who says you can't do that now though
foggy path
Well at least the portfolio part, or writing about them, that's doable
tough sierra
huh i could still write about the projects even without source yeah.
there's something heart warming about people being open about their experiences.
pearl elk
Arnold and Dwayne Johnson have alot in common, their fitness backgrounds gave them a strong work ethic, probably why they landed so many roles
Actors are known for being difficult and flakey especially when theyre super famous
foggy path
Yeah that's possible, that background probably teaches perseverance as well
tough sierra
see that i wonder about sometimes, if being physically disciplined well enough allows one to be outgoing enough.
and more path oriented rather than getting caught up on petty stuff.
foggy path
Terry Crews also seems to be another successful example
I don't think the physically disciplined aspect is the key tho - it's more like a result of it
tough sierra
surprised to see others that are curious about people and psychology like that.
foggy path
because bodybuilding requires the kind of repetitive boring mundane shit on repeat
tough sierra
being physically active used to be a distraction for me, a better anti depressant than videogames.
foggy path
if you can keep doing that it probably says something about your mentality
tough sierra
yeah that's it.
it's easy to get caught up in petty shit.
and i'm very guilty of that.
Wait that's not the whole picture.
damn this isn't easy.
pearl elk
need to get the blood pumping to the brain
tough sierra
thank you two for the discussion.
honestly it's nice having the internet for stuff like this.
pearl elk
No problemo
foggy path
one of the things I've heard some people suggest is to try to surround yourself with successful people
which can be difficult, but I've noticed it seems to ring true to some degree at least
I have some friends who are often kind of miserable and angry... and I see them having friends who are the same, and they often share that sorta stuff on social media, and just get angry at stuff that doesn't matter
they surround themselves with that shit, which in turn makes them more miserable
tough sierra
that used to confuse me but rethinking that it's probably related to why you should watch a speedrunner for a videogame like factorio if you want to progress faster.
some people get lucky faster.
it's good to share knowledge.
to be honest i was guilty of the same for a very long time, had some pretty intense depression for probably about a decade.
pearl elk
Id rather be lonely than surrounded by the wrong people
tough sierra
the strange thing is, i feel tempted all the time to fall back into it's embrace.
like an addiction.
foggy path
you can be lazy without being depressed lol
I suspect it's the do-nothing you miss, not the depression
pearl elk
Yeah dont let people make you feel bad for doing your thing, youre not on anyone elses time but your own
tough sierra
my depression stemmed from not having agency, being overly empathic, and having self loathing issues, with pretty much no one recognizing the problem enough to help, well there was a couple but they didn't have the time, ma never understood till after i got over it.
pearl elk
Ive seen people who work hard constantly blaming others but maybe if they took some time off to laze around and actually think it through they might actually be able to solve some of their problems.
tough sierra
that aside, i kept blaming the world, kept trying to act stubborn and thinking of "if it could change then i could live in peace, or maybe i'm the one who's fucked up and not meant for it". had to do some pretty dramatic mental rework and repress those tendencies a bit to gain perspective.
pearl elk
Yeah unfortunately you do have to disconnect from things you have no control over otherwise you will go mad
tough sierra
that's the new perspetive.
if you can't do anything about the situation, it's not worth the energy to feel upset about it.
pearl elk
they call it locus of control
tough sierra
when i see people pointing fingers at some other culture for their life situation, it reminds me of my own flaws, so that's what started the idea that maybe anger itself might have no use, but that perhaps isn't entirely true. either way. maybe there's a good chance people'll have the experience to get along with each other and themselves with time. am droning on a bit too much.
but yeah appreciate the dialog, need to rest though.
foggy path
I would recommend reading some of the stuff Ramit Sethi has written if you're interested in self development, psychology and business
tough sierra
very actually.
foggy path
his website has a super cheesy name but he talks the real talk
pearl elk
anger can definitely be put to good use, its just a matter of directing it
Being able to do that certainly helps from it exploding in the wrong direction ๐
tough sierra
hmmmm. repression, vs disinterest, or forced disinterest, where is the illusion or the difference i wonder.
but yes i do need to sleep, you two take care o/
pearl elk
No worries
pearl elk
oh yay Walker Texas Ranger reboot, just what the world was waiting for
foggy path
with or without Chuck Norris
pearl elk
He may make a cameo appearance but he's not Walker anymore
maybe they'll do a father/son thing
pearl elk
lol I actually thought that was abit of a laugh, not the biggest Hoff fan
Knight Rider is all about KITT for me
cerulean moss
Had a backpack with KITT in 1st grade - wore it with great pride lol
pearl elk
I got a photo of me in the original KITT ๐
cerulean moss
Damn! you win! ๐
pearl elk
I still remember because it had Neighbors on the screen inside
cerulean moss
However, I can't help still being amazed at how Hollywood is lacking talent/inspiration/real artists. They are in a downwards spiral for about 5 years now? Remakes of remakes and just throwing particle effects at everything - not my cup of tea at all. I still miss many early 2000's movies. Some were amazing for me ๐
zinc matrix
What? They are in downwards spiral for like 20 years now. I think last decade of really great movies was 90's. After that (2000 and up) special effects shit show followed and can't stop.
pearl elk
I think alot of the talent gets pushed out by having to take crappy gigs, there are some movies Im just sitting there the entire time wondering how it got funded let alone the cast it has. Too focused on making money not enough focus on the craft but you have to appeal to the money men if you want to get anything made. After the counter culture movement in the 70s it was easier to get a smaller budget movie pushed through but its far more rare these days, Joker did it but thats abit of an odd ball and does copy well known movies from the 70s so thats probably why
cerulean moss
@zinc matrix I can agree with that, yea, confused 90s movies with 80s really since I watched them on telly where they came in pretty late in Europe at least. So, for me, 90s movies were mostly mid-end 80s with lots of pointless shooting and guns' and same recipe: girl, money, some bang bang, guy walks out with both girl & money - meh.
@pearl elk And it's the same with the gaming industry at the top if you ask me. I was a blizzard fan back in their glorious days. D2, SC1 & Warcraft. Then, they got mixd up in shit with $$$ with Activision and all that, then the brains behind those games left, and only spineless "artists" and copy-paste "visionaries" have stayed. That's how you get D3 & now D4, heartstone and other crap like that.
pearl elk
John Travolta is a great example his last 4 or 5 movies have a 0% Rotten Tomatos score yet he's in some of the most critically acclaimed movies from the past
foggy path
y'all should watch some Godfrey Ho films
it'll make you appreciate things in a new light
lol
Godfrey Ho = genius.
pearl elk
I cant go past a good Uwe Boll flick
cerulean moss
Nah, I don't even "read-up" critics since this newtalk, "mental illness is cool" heavy advertising stuff started. They just make no sense
foggy path
Uwe Boll is underappreciated imo
I liked his films I've seen, Postal, Assault on Wall Street and Rampage, maybe some others I forget
cerulean moss
I'd just fund the brits some more, many of the best films came from Britain ๐
foggy path
...but then again, I like Godfrey Ho's films as well so my taste in movies is probably not very high brow
pearl elk
yeah Assault on Wall Street is surprisingly good, Id put it up against John Q any day
foggy path
Uwe apparently has a restaurant in Vancouver if you're ever visiting Canada lol
One of my coworkers mentioned he's been meaning to go but apparently it's a bit pricey
pearl elk
Theres still some great British talent around but its mostly in TV not film
I think after Anthony Hopkins most people gave up ๐
I like Lydia Wilson, man her character in Flack is brilliant
Unfortunately I dont think she'll get any big screen roles before she becomes "too old" for Hollywood
fathom wadi
@pearl elk Tilda Swinton is the best british actor imo. Does both film and tv, music videos and stuff. But omg every performance is a masterclass.
chilly igloo
Guys i guess here a lot of users with Ryzen 9200x/3950x. How well it performs in situations like when we start to build lighting/packaging project/compiling shaders and still want to use PC for task like modeling/texturing?
Just reading this: https://gpuopen.com/learn/threadripper-for-gamedev-ue4/
And people there are sitting on pretty much the same PC in terms of cores and threads if we speak about 3950x but threadripper instead of general ryzen.
And i just dont know is that just about cores/threads in general, or threadrippers architecture are so different what they allow multi-tasking better than general ryzen processors?
pearl elk
@fathom wadi I liked her in Constantine though that was a good one
fathom wadi
Ive yet to see her in anything I haven't enjoyed her in. Specifically though, Snowpiercer (the movie not the new series) blew me away. She nailed it
faint dock
foggy path
I wonder what the BT for that would look like