live streaming on youtube is so confusing now
#lounge
rugged storm
i started and now i see thsi
and then when I end the live stream it doesn't even save
soft night
all the DMCA things going
rugged storm
and i'm streaming rn and on the stream page it just says waiting for me
it only works for me in the old live dashboard
plucky pagoda
fast abyss
Mike told me to bring this here. So I'll ask here ๐
For Unreal dev, would a 3900x+5600xt or a 10700k+2060 super be better for game dev?
The 3900x is a far superior CPU, but the 2060 is a far superior GPU
ebon onyx
Are you a programmer or artist?
bronze axle
Why not pair the Ryzen CPU with the 2060?
mint onyx
i would say for serious UE4 development go for at least 3950x
analog knoll
alright this might be the right place to talk about getting a new machine for Unreal Engine.
thorny dock
I don't know why linus hasn't quit the youtube industry, he's admitted he's check out, not needed, not great for his family and mental health, not happy, that whole thing seems like hes taking his mistake caused by pent up anger and trying to market a pr stunt off it
not healthy when you have kids man
plucky pagoda
It seemed fairly sincere to me. No idea about the drama, I found it interesting because he attempted to address some of the reasons what the PS5 is doing is exciting.
fast abyss
@bronze axle because theyre preconfigured and can ship tomorrow, versus configuring my own which would ship in 35 days.
analog knoll
Should I buy this machine for unreal engine game development?
or is this machine not powerful enough ?
Dell Precision T3610 Tower Xeon E5-1650 v2 3.5GHz 64GB RAM 512GB SSD +1TB HDD 4GB Nvidia Quadro K2200 DVDยฑRW Windows 10 Pro
It supports 4k 3840 x 2160 graphic resolutions
plucky pagoda
@fast abyss for right now more threads is usually the better choice but it depends on what you're doing.
bronze axle
Ah OK, no wonder. ๐
thorny dock
that gpu only has 4G vram, I would go for at least 8
I was getting vram crashes all the time on my 4gb
analog knoll
ok i look for an 8-16 gb machine
pearl elk
Theres new hardware just on the horizon, are you sure now is a good time to buy?
pearl elk
We got big navi, new Ryzens and 3080s not far off
plucky pagoda
It's not if you can wait. everything's high right now
analog knoll
i know all the old machines are going to be obselete when Unreal Engine 5 comes out.
thorny dock
yeah waiting would definitely be best though, wait for 3080ti to come out and everything is going to drop
analog knoll
i'm tired of my slow pc because of the bad GPU that's in it.
plucky pagoda
Why would they be? It's not like it's going to be overnight you need the top hardware for everything and everyone
analog knoll
its only 2 GB of Vram.
pearl elk
ouch
analog knoll
its a big ouch
thorny dock
if I were you, I would ask a few questions, like are you wanting to get serious about unreal engine today? or is it more worth it to try and upgrade your gpu ( i find hard to believe it's impossible) and buy parts as you catch them on sale
analog knoll
it took 670 seconds for my machine to load up an 8k 20 mile landscape in Unreal Engine, that speed is ....Ridiculous. with a machine that slow in loading I would have to play animated dialog during the loading sequences.
thorny dock
wait for a nice cpu and gpu to come on sale and then you have the options to try almost anything in game development and multimedia fields
but there are some pretty good deals out there now, how is your current pc impossible to upgrade?
analog knoll
because its a HP All In One Desktop PC and they are NOT upgradable. So I can only get up to 16gb of ram, I dunno if the graphics card can be upgraded because I had a terrible 810A Geforce 2 GB graphics card in it, I couldn't upgrade the ram.... The card is the problem, and the machine is slowly packing up as I've had it for years, so I have to get a new one.
pearl elk
Thats a pretty large map
analog knoll
it was one of the alien landscapes from the marketplace. it took ages to load. and it was too slow once it all loaded.
Making the game components separately is fine, but when combining them components all together, performance trouble starts with the card.
thorny dock
Ahh I see, leave it to HP to make custom parts that are next to impossible to upgrade, I thought it would be something like a laptop style board
analog knoll
But the card had no problem at all doingall the diaog data table stuff....
The card runs into trouble with rigged meshes and when you start adding in things like Melee Combat, Inventory, and Interfaces. Then you see slowdown in the game.
No, its a desktop pc. I learnt that HP had closed off the pipeline. So if you want to upgrade, you gotta buy a whole new system instead of upgrading it.
So that's why I can't upgrade the system, i may have to buy a new system with a better graphics card..
analog knoll
hmm there's a machine here that's expandable up to 256 gb of memory.
has 32gb ram already in it, dell precision workstation tower. But its got a Quadro K2400 Graphics Card in it its only 4 GB.
mild root
@fast abyss I have 3700x and this ryzen generation has overkill core performance for all games I played. I found that amount of cores is way more important in unreal engine, be it shader compilation, asset discovery, or lightmass compilation. That's why I advice you to get whatever has more cores.
analog knoll
What about these workstation PC's?
mild root
Workstation is just a pc that was build for a particular set of tasks
If you are talking about quadros and ecc memory - you don't need it
analog knoll
Ok, how many cores, the machine I have has only 4 cores. 16gb ram, 810A geforce video card with only 2GB vram in it which I want to dump. Because 2 GB of video memory is not enough for Unreal Engine.
when you're building a decent sized mass effect like game
mild root
They are for engineering, to keep data integrity and maximum precision
If you get a corrupted bit in game - no big deal
If you get a corrupted bit in plane simulation - plane may crash when built
Ok, how many cores, the machine I have has only 4 cores. 16gb ram, 810A geforce video card with only 2GB vram in it which I want to dump. Because 2 GB of video memory is not enough for Unreal Engine.
@analog knoll unreal may utilise all cores you have, in multithread tasks
I guess it is about price you are ready to pay
Personally, I was happy to switch from quad core 3570k to 16 thread 3700x
analog knoll
what about graphics card and video memory
mild root
I have 2070s and probably it is overkill
I feel I could get away with anything that has 8GiB VRAM
analog knoll
what type of graphic card thre are many out there.
mild root
Both amd and nvidia may do the job. I'd advice to hold back until this year hardware is revealed
wooden dirge
hmm, yes true, though my self i have a 2060 super, they said anything yet on the hardware?
analog knoll
my current machine is running unreal engine like an old mini down the road, I had enough of it, its too slow.... .
i can't put very many things in the level without the engine all slowing down. even when I put together the game components like melee system, and inventory, and so on, I see significant slowdown in the engine.
mild root
If you can wait three to four months, then wait. You can do just programming now
analog knoll
Here' s how I found out. I deleted the combat melee code out of my player character and the engine speed suddenly picked up 70% more faster.
mild root
Did you put everything in tick?
analog knoll
no the player character was not using alot of casts or ticks, it was using interfaces.
to avoid too many hard references with the casts.
plucky pagoda
Go through the learning stuff on the Unreal site. Too many tutorials out there give you bad advice or misinterpret good advice.
foggy path
It's weird people manage to write such poorly performing blueprints even by accident
The only way I've noticed a visible framerate drop is when I wrote a blueprint which spawned a decal on every "on actor hit" event and then spawned like 30-40 objects with that logic on them that bounced around the levels lol
foggy path
lol yep
I gated it so it would only drop a decal once per second at most, per each object, which works pretty well so far
pearl elk
Im def waiting to see what big navi brings to the table
stiff crystal
will see, so far AMD gpu's have played catchup
at least they get DXR finally
and then all your AMD powered games can look like https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/WCCFamdraytracing.jpg
pearl elk
If the price point is right and it hits before 3080 it might not matter how good Nvidias card is
stiff crystal
are radeon drivers decent now?
pearl elk
My main thinking here is that AMD is the one partnering with Sony and MS, they must have known about DXR well in advance. I dont see Nvidia being MS hypeman, I think MS just took what they could get at the time
stiff crystal
I still remember buying a gpu and waiting 6 months for drivers that supported a game I had bought new ๐
also AMD cpu drivers are a mess
like, I do love the perf
but stuff on intel side just works without having to fiddle with power profiles and tons of bios updates
my 3900x probably still BSOD's randomly if I use window's own power saving profile
it's been rock solid on the AMD balanced power plan
but this plan also takes 10W more on desktop use all the time
it's not a big waste but it's still a waste that shouldn't be there
pearl elk
Yeah Ive had issues with AMD drivers in the past, its why I went back to Nvidia
stiff crystal
I've had issues on nvidia side too, but not the constant battle I had with AMD/ATI
pearl elk
That said I constantly download Nvidia updates these days and they dont seem to do anythin
Its almost like Nvidia just hands me a blanket and says heres your update
stiff crystal
most of the nvidia updates are just profile tweaks for new games I think
pearl elk
yeah but 600mb odd for what
I dont like they always install their audio crap by default that I never use
but it is minor things which cause friction, its not major
stiff crystal
I just disable that audio device on device manager
after that it doesn't matter if it puts new audio drivers for it as long as I don't put new monitor the the desktop
pearl elk
I disable it but every driver install if I let it reinstall the audio it comes back on
stiff crystal
(new monitor would show up as new audio device)
hmmm, it's enabled for me too
but then again, I've fiddled with the monitor setup recently
yeah, its bit of a pain, just gotten used to it
bit like the 3D drivers ๐
does nvidia still install those?
pearl elk
I tend to just do a custom install now, it does sometimes not every driver update though
I really wish nvidia would dump the way they do drivers and just update what you need through the experience app
foggy path
oh no
geforce experience is awful
:P
I had so many bizarre problems with that program that I don't even want to install it anymore
analog knoll
I was using 810A geforce and its bad for blueprints.
inner cloud
@foggy path the most comfortable recording you can have
with just drivers and well experience
๐
tulip orbit
no, the void conquers all
storm tree
anyone used ASUS UX534 notebook for ue4 and programming?
tulip orbit
ue4 marketplace seems to be down :/
mossy nexus
nope
tulip orbit
Anyone use OwnIcon ? migrating the textures it created, but they're not showing up in the migrated folder
fast abyss
I just realized there must have been people who've streamed their game development from start to ship.
tulip orbit
you're rich!
foggy path
wonder what's the dogecoin value atm
ohh yes my 100k dogecoins are worth about 200 dollars lol
sage tendon
how much is a DAL worth these days?
sage tendon
no, its the Dallar coin from @late night
foggy path
lol
sage tendon
i think its currently worth 0 as its on no exchange >.<
foggy path
you redeem it for a "get out of prison" on the forums?
sage tendon
it was on digitalprice and altsbit, but both exchanges are no more
soft night
Allar2020
foggy path
I have some bitcoin too but I still haven't decided whether it was a good investment or not
I guess it remains to be seen if it goes up or down
sage tendon
i think that in the end, crypto currency will mostly be used by the underworld
like 500 euro bills, it will be history at some point ๐
foggy path
yeah I don't really see the value besides as a high risk investment
fathom wadi
lets face it. cash is mostly used by the underworld too. And bonds, and stocks, and shares, and invested assets. Doesn't matter what the currency is, it will always be used by criminals. I mean, look at the criminals who create money right now? The bank of england, the federal reserve, etc.
sage tendon
Underworld are the only ones using 500 euro bills, so they got removed from circulation, thats something different than 10 euro bills or a bank of a country ๐
Ofcourse some exchange of value takes place between 2 parties, that will never change. But what can change is the item of value when its only or mostly used by criminal groups
rigid shoal
The Swiss Franc has a $1000 bill. And the Swiss Franc and USD are nearly 1:1.
But crypto is largely used for criminal/shady stuff. Of course other currencies and assets are used too, but crypto's main use has been and is to get around the law.
grave sleet
The 1000 Swiss Franc bill can be "rejected" by shops though. Doesn't really happen often, but if you try to buy some candies with a 1000 Swiss Franc bill it will raise some eyebrows and they will very likely (and very kindly) ask you to pay with a 100 bill or less ๐ Depends on the store and the person though xD
tight panther
Yup, same reason you can forget about paying anything with a fivehundo in Germany basically
Even 200-bills are getting less and less accepted in stores/gas stations et cetera
mild root
We will get rid of cash eventually
Not bad at all
I pay with plastic card and keep just a handful of cash for cases of blackout or internet disconnection problems
Anyway, we have law that forces traders to accept cash if it is not damaged
Re criminals, they will always find ways to pay
Money washing - modern "art" paintings
And others
It is a speculation, yes
But it can be used to inject into legal and transparent cash flow methods
rich quiver
placid thistle
Some real-time goodness in GODOT https://twitter.com/reduzio/status/1270415375692414978
plucky pagoda
Do streamers get money when people buy stuff with their code in item shop for fortnite?
quiet narwhal
If there is a creator code used yes
plucky pagoda
this is some scummy stuff https://youtu.be/TUg-yClt9n4
quiet narwhal
winter zealot
disappears
plucky pagoda
Is there a way to report them?
quiet narwhal
you can report them to youtube but i doubt there is much that will happen
plucky pagoda
Scummy, 4 hour loop asking non stop for people to use item codes. Every now and then he comes in live but it's almost all long loops of audio. Came up in my feed but that kind of scam stuff ticks me off.
Wow, I can't believe this is a thing. He has like ten channels all looping the same thing.
plucky pagoda
I guess if he gets money from it and new people come in and some stupid kid keeps buying something he can stay in that menu until it kicks him.
I'm really surprised something like that is able to get by though. I know very little about fortnite though
It's a bit insidious too. Looking at it he starts a new channel and spams the chat with calls to suscribe and then starts a new stream there. So if the first gets banned it just keeps going.
sage tendon
Reminds me of a very expensive game with almost no content on Steam, its like 250 euros.. its only used to buy the game with gift cards and then refund it
Where there are people and money, there are scammers seeking to make profit
plucky pagoda
It's crazy how much effort he's put into it. He has bots in both channels that the audio responds to.
sage tendon
Almost as crazy as a game developer, just not crazy enough ๐
plucky pagoda
lol
15 year old me would have done something just like it.
I can't find any way to report a creator.
sage tendon
Cant you report the video?
plucky pagoda
yeah, but he'll still get paid from anyone who gets scammed into using the code.
It irks me but I can't waste anymore time on it.
analog knoll
what scammers in the game industry now?
real palm
I feel like you could directly report the code in some way to FN
reporting it on YT seems like a red herring
zinc matrix
I want that others can hear my voice and the youtube music video at the same time in good quality. how to achieve that?
median wraith
lucid walrus
animation masterpiece
zinc matrix
@median wraith i watched it fully. very good
but the music is not fitting..
and it's to silly, what? the visuals are fine. no need for realism @zinc matrix
females fighting each other with swords
in anime
is too secksy
uncut otter
truely i am losing it
this looked like lemonparty in the corner of my eye
๐ฎ
ahh i see why - the brain is so tricky
zinc matrix
Vscode my pal
analog knoll
Look at this Lion King Remake Video, and my verdict is, It maybe good animation work done, but some of the scenes and the dialog thats in it is not acceptable for our young children audiences to watch. The standards are way too low. I would not publish this stuff in my own game to the public.
the standards are too low to show this to young kids. Just what is going on in the game industry, our standards should be more higher than this.... A shame, because it is good animation that was done on it. and I think the voice acting some of it may have been done by speech synthesis. But this is no way near industry standards.
thorny dock
People need to not share that lion king shit. This is literally one of the first videos that come up when a child is letting ANY video run on auto play, 5 videos later you are going to be in the โJohnny Johnny yes papaโ territory, where the audio is made to sound like normal nursery rimes to the parents not watching the screen, but the kids are hitting and stabbing each other. Terrorists are literally making content to try and fuck the minds of todayโs youth, I hate seeing videos like that, google really needs to do something about it. But they wonโt, most they ever did was disable comments and monetization on borderline childporn videos and their communities, but they wonโt remove them or even make a statement about it!
analog knoll
It should be an industry standard concern. because its promoting the darker practices of the adult industry this remake I just seen and we don't want young kids to see this in children video games.
analog knoll
so can a workstation pc run unreal engine and all its game capabilities ?
right, so why do people ask me to buy instead the other pc for more cores and graphic cards and stuff. Here' the specs of this pc I'm looking at.
Dell Precision T3610 Tower Xeon E5-1650 v2 3.5GHz 64GB RAM 512GB SSD +1TB HDD 4GB Nvidia Quadro K2200 DVDยฑRW Windows 10 Pro
only thing i see here is the graphics video card is only 4 gb, otherwise the ram size for the system is plenty.
alpine fern
that would be last generation's low end workstation
analog knoll
I have no knowledge of the workstations, I just want a machine that will allow me to develop a video game in unreal engine and allow me to make decent sized maps without issues of stalling and slowing down. That's why I was looking at a machine with more ram.
because the current machine I have is only 16 gb of ram. Dosen't appear to be enough because I put in 200-300 objects in the map, and already start slowing down the engine. and its not a big map.
alpine fern
16gb is a bit on the low side, but that's much more likely to be the case because your cpu and/or gpu are too slow
analog knoll
Hold on i get system specs for it.
It has an Intel Core i7-4790T CPU 4 Cores. 2.70 GHZ
Ram 16 GB - not upgradable.
Running 64 bit Windows 8.1
Its an HP computer. Not Intel model.
alpine fern
yeah that cpu is a toaster
analog knoll
Whats a toaster? Sounds bad.
alpine fern
your cpu
analog knoll
well that's why I am looking for a better machine, Unreal Engine runs to slow on it.
alpine fern
what you really want is the best gaming pc you can afford
winter zealot
for ue4 I would really use one of the latest ryzen processors yup
I wouldn't say the gpu would be a bottleneck below a gtx1060 imo
analog knoll
why? Can't it use a workstation pc with 32 or 64 GB of Ram?
alpine fern
you also need a good cpu and gpu...
analog knoll
how good ?
alpine fern
as good as you can afford
winter zealot
because if there are tradeoffs to make, even a gtx1080 does wonders
but a good ssd and a high end ryzen are needed to work without too much lag
compiling c++ and loading maps and assets etc
I don't know, that's what i'd do
analog knoll
the game I'm making is in blueprints not C++
winter zealot
but it's highly likely that you're going to have to do c++ at some point, if you're serious about shipping the game
depends of your age and motivation too, but even learning ue4c++ is important imo
analog knoll
whats the ryzen card you need then I need to know the type
winter zealot
blueprint mislead people thinking they're enough to make a game, and someday everything is a 15fps spaghetti mess that can't be optimized
ryzen is a cpu not a card
alpine fern
what's the budget
analog knoll
No, I tell you something that I think is very important. I put the melee combat system code into my player character and found the engine was slowed down.
THEN when I removed the melee combat system code out of my player character, and just left his basic movement code, the engine speed up 70% more faster.
That's blueprints on my machine.
then it comes down to the card that i have in this current machine
because its 810A Geforce. and only has 2GB Video Ram in it.
And Unreal Engine can barely run on that without serious slowdown when developing all the game level.
winter zealot
imo : ryzen gpu, 1to ssd, lots of ram, gtx1080
analog knoll
Ok so you need a gtx 1080 Ryan Card.
What else do you need for the machine?
winter zealot
maybe people have other config ideas too and i'm interested to read them and know why they'd pick other components
analog knoll
because there's a site that allows me to build the machine and pick out the components.
analog knoll
Typo error, Ryzen
alpine fern
here is my setup that I've been upgrading over the years https://geizhals.de/?cat=WL-1032033
analog knoll
This keyboard is wearing out. I am not here to play any games. If I am going to impart money, I need to pick out the correct components needed for unreal engine game development.
tulip orbit
here is my setup that I've been upgrading over the years : https://i.imgur.com/G3Jq9xMg.jpg
analog knoll
ok I'll take a look
alpine fern
potato v5
broken sigil
lol
analog knoll
Do not mock me or you will regret it'
winter zealot
i don't mock nobody
analog knoll
everyone who goes on my site will learn of the experience that I went through and that's why I no time for nonsense.. Because were not here on this planet for a joke.
alpine fern
lmao looks like buying that ssd a few weeks ago was a mistake, should have waited longer
rich quiver
lol
template folder name
and both debug files are in the official release of valorant
alpine fern
someone didn't figure out how to change the project name I see
well, it is very annoying to do
rich quiver
they forgot at some point in development
during the pre production phase
basically the release game have some prototype files form it since nobody care to rename it
https://twitter.com/MisspokenVLT/status/1270506576567246848 they use video files for skins preview ๐คฆ
plucky pagoda
There are many games with that folder. I bet the RPG project is next, it has a lot of good stuff already setup too.
The load screen module in it is pretty good too.
sharp wolf
yeah when i started dev in unreal i learned ARK used that.
i modded for ark and Dark and light for years
plucky pagoda
This is only a few hours from now and looks like it will cover some good stuff. https://epicgames.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_9NdWKW5zRMa47-eLr7IrbQ
analog knoll
and once that new engine comes out it will make all our machines obselete I suppose.
foggy path
I want a webinar on how to make a Brutal Doom clone in UE lol
...maybe I'll just make one myself if we ever get this game finished
rugged storm
i keep getting this message on every website i go to all of a sudden
youtube and discord is some of the only things i can go on with no issues
zinc matrix
MEH my mom
manipulated me into going out of toiler-room when i was there
NOW i heave to leave bed AGAIN and go there
thorny dock
Wow thatโs hilarious. I was just looking into changing a project name and thinking wow this must be tough to do especially with c++, good to know there are some AAA releases out there that couldnโt figure it out either ๐
Guess you better commit to the project name from the start
zinc matrix
NO
fluid bloom
only 28 people hospitalized in Finland due to corona now. I think it's safe to say that was that for now ๐ค
zinc matrix
@fluid bloom why
italy was losing thousands of people daily..
Crazy
but every other cuntry..
safe..
i mean i know that italy had ton of oldies etc
but still
fluid bloom
324 people diagnosed with corona died in Finland so far
currently only 28 hospitalized and only 4 in intensive care
that's why
also I said Finland, not Italy
zinc matrix
@fluid bloom what you said and what not doesnt change what i said
fluid bloom
you said "why"
dumbass
that's what I'm answering to
I'm talking about Finland here ffs ๐
zinc matrix
dear god
i asked why
countries other than italy are not so damaged
by the virus
not to your message
ancient hornet
some might say the country reaction matters but I feel what matters the most is if you had sleeper superspreader events in your country in the first place
foggy path
even in those cases the country's stance matters because then it's a question of effectively tracing it down
ancient hornet
that would require having awareness of the issue before the spread was too widespread
foggy path
well yes, but it's also affected by the overall policy
ancient hornet
since it seems the virus has been circulating for close to a year now (and not starting from November/December in China as originally though) it probably has a lot to do with "bad luck"
foggy path
if there's an overall "let's shut things down" policy in place, it would spread less in general even if it was unknown
ancient hornet
Italy did shut things down
foggy path
and yeah I definitely suspect it's been circulating for a while before anyone realized
ancient hornet
but you aren't shuting down the country for a threat you don't know is present ๐
it probably was close to impossible to shut down Italy soon enough, without seeing into the future :/
zinc matrix
uncut otter
๐
foggy path
joke's on you HTML is hard :p
uncut otter
I mostly just laugh because its ralph
foggy path
yeah it does seem like a very Ralph thing lol
foggy path
it should be a force push which erases the entire history
pearl elk
I heard one of the reasons Italy could have been worse hit is they are one of the touchy countries, greetings and farewells involve high contact and proximity
But if you listen to shamed celebrity chef Pete Evans its a conspiracy, catching the virus means youve been marked for death by the illuminati
tidal ivy
it's because they were ground zero; the infection was already widespread before they had time to react
north Italy and south Germany both got hit pretty hard for that reason
pearl elk
Are there many cruise ships which dock at Italy? Thats were a huge amount of infections came from here, itd been circulating on the ships for ages too
fluid bloom
cue HTML is a markup language and not programming
pearl elk
CSS is a style not a language
friend of mine finally got her chance to move from QA to Dev so I said "You must be getting sick of being stuck with those sweaty cave dwelling QA folk" hehehe
rigid shoal
CSS 4 has programming/scripting, I think.
foggy path
๐ค
You've been able to do some things with it for a while but it hasn't really been a good idea
They are adding variables to it at least, not really sure any other regular programming features
pearl elk
variables were in CSS3 no?
foggy path
probably
pearl elk
Not entirely sure cuz I use Less which has alot of stuff like that anyways
rigid shoal
https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_variables.asp
Yeah, and I'm also not really sure if CSS4 is even a thing.
But I guess that makes it official. CSS is a scripting language.
pearl elk
and you can embed css into html therefore
html is a scripting language ๐
newer versions atleast
woo whats this amazing graphics engine?
pearl elk
I actually like this song, its just the thing needed
tulip orbit
aww, my game isnt featured ๐ฆ
pearl elk
It helps if you use Unreal ๐
tulip orbit
I do use unreal!
pearl elk
Well Im just glad Cobra Kai is leaving YouTube cuz my premium sub is ending soon hehe
tulip orbit
I'm glad I dont follow any youtube personalities. Seems like there's always some sort of drama going on
foggy path
you watch the wrong channels if there's drama
most channels I watch are old dudes talking about retro computing and shit
no drama there lol
tulip orbit
anytime I hear about somebody on youtube, its always about drama of some sort
foggy path
yeah it's just the usual case of you only hear about the bad things
there's just a few morons who are popular :P
tulip orbit
I only use youtube for music playlists, and the occasional tutorial
foggy path
I'm trying to imagine what kind of drama Civvie11 would be involved in on YouTube
I mean maybe John Romero would start a war with him because he didn't like Daikatana?
lol
tulip orbit
he'd have a war with a looot of people if he did that
Romero vs the world!
part deux
pearl elk
I actually saw Jim Sterling taking shots at his younger self, that was quite refreshing to see him exercise self awareness on that scale
fresh heath
foggy path
I don't think so? :D
rich quiver
final fantasy 7 remake have been promoted by epic since 2015
foggy path
someone was saying the 3090 is specced like a 7000 usd Quadro card...
I think I have 11gb RAM in my 1080 Ti and I don't remember ever having any game complain that it wasn't enough
pearl elk
Nvidia would want to be getting their GDDR6X dirt cheap or these cards are gonna be so expensive
I have 8GB on my 1070GTX and Ive never maxed it out in a game, in UE4 I had acouple of crashes complaining of lack of VRAM not sure what that was about
foggy path
the other day someone was saying the VRAM crash is just a general RAM related issue and just badly worded
pearl elk
Yeah thats the impression I got, I had loaded a heap of random assets, more than you would in a game
quiet narwhal
ok so legit question. Replace my 2700x with a 3950x or go with a 3970x. Games are not really an issue, I dont play anything heavy. I mainly want to get faster Engine compile times and in editor speedups for compile heavy tasks like lightmass and shader compiler. Assuming money is and is not an issue is a TR worth the extra cost? We are talking ~$700 for the 3950x versus ~$2300 for the TR since it would need a new mainboard.
rigid shoal
I think the 3950x or even 3900x is very good. I have a 3900x and I am happy enough with it that I consider an upgrade completely unneccessary.
quiet narwhal
yeah I am leaning towards the 3950x. Double what I have now + 1 generation increase. Uses way less power and cooling than the 3970x and should be a noticeable increase in my daily workload.
grave sleet
@quiet narwhal I am running a TR 2950x and it actually only ever really hits 100% during engine compile and Shader Compile (Not sure about lightmass.. Not used in a long time.. But should Speed up significantly too). This would likely get even faster with the newer TR cpus that can reach higher clock on more cores (I run my 2950x at 4ghz all core). Compiling games or even worse Apps (android, etc.) rarely really uses all cores (or actually takes enough time to make a big difference - some 30-50% less time than a i7 4700HQ - Mobile CPU). So.. It depends.. If you do a LOT of Engine Compiles and you can afford it.. Go for it. If not.. well.. depends.. If you are annoyed by waiting and can afford it.. you might spend some minutes less waiting for a compile to finish (and it does add up over time) but it's not really that important in my opinion.
Regarding the TR or not TR Platform.. It depends on what else you are doing with your PC.
So the biggest benefit of TR(4) compared to the "consumer" platform where the 3950x was placed (this time around) is IO, PCIE Lanes and RAM Slots. I'm running 3 nvme ssds, 2080ti and still got enough pcie for yet another 2080ti at full 16x and some additonal cards at 8x if ever needed. Ram is actually only filled with 4x16gb.. so I don't even make use of the 8 slots I got (but higher Ram speeds).
Do I love my System? Sure.. it's awesome (especially 10Gbit Ethernet combined with an actual symmetrical 10gbit Internet connection). But considering you can pretty much get all these with the newer platform with a 3950x. I'm not sure the step-up to TR is really worth it for Game Dev.
If you would run a machine that constantly is used for lightmass (networked) or automated builds, it would probably make sense to go TR (If server parts are not feasible). Personally.. If my PC went up in smoke today, I would probably go with the 3950x and not with the TR platform.
But in the end, that's for you to decide.
quiet narwhal
yep yep thats what I was thinking, It's a home machine so I dont need all the extra stuff from the TR besides the raw power
grave sleet
TBH I also work with Davinci Resolve and some other software that scales somewhat reliable.. So that's a plus too.. But still.. 3950x seems like a sweet deal
quiet narwhal
I've got an x470 now so the 3950x will just drop in. It's not like the optimal platform for it but it would work out of the box with the parts which is a benefit
but yeah daily I do engine compiles, and transcoding of video so pure speed and cores scale well with what I do
grave sleet
If the IO and PCIE Gen difference doesn't bother you, it should work out nicely.
quiet narwhal
maybe 3950x now and next gen TR?
only running 2x m.2 NVME right now at x4 and one 2070 super so yeah no need for the better IO or lanes on the TR
grave sleet
My TR is almost 2 years old, but I don't feel like I need to buy a new CPU in the next 5 years.. So probably next next next Gen TR xD
quiet narwhal
and I am actually going to be pulling out one of those drives for the laptop here on friday so... yeah I barely use any lanes
what do you use to cool your system?
grave sleet
Noctua
I'm all-in on Noctua Fans and CPU Coolers.. really quiet, pleasant sound even at 100%.
And it get's my 2950x to 4ghz all core on air.. So there's that xD
quiet narwhal
awesome, I have a DH15 I plan on putting on this so glad to hear it works well on a harder workload. I assumed it did but you never know
rigid shoal
Do you have a problem with the DH15 size? I went against it because I didn't think it would fit.
grave sleet
Check out noctuas website.. They actually have a compatibility chart that is extremely detailed regarding how well they can cool certain cpus
quiet narwhal
I bought it 3 years ago for my 5820k and it literally fit in the cast as close as it could get. Not using in on the 2700x as I didnt have the brackets. Just got them in but I expect it to be fine unless this board is taller than my old one for some reason
my case has a side window that is popped out like half an inch which helps with the size of the cooler
IT is a big bastard tho but I love it
grave sleet
NH-D15 right? https://noctua.at/de/nh-d15/cpucomp#manuf_8305
sry. .got the german link xD
rigid shoal
But why not just go with liquid cooling? It's easier to install and probably performs about the same.
grave sleet
It even mentions that you will need a Mounting-Kit if bought before 2019 for this platform ๐
quiet narwhal
yeah that one
yep I had to buy the kit but it was like 7 bucks on amazon
and liquid cooling is typically louder than the good noctua coolers is why
plus.. even a 0.05% chance of failure can ruin your day
grave sleet
But why not just go with liquid cooling? It's easier to install and probably performs about the same.
@rigid shoal Sure.. possibilty.. But easier? ah.. not really.. AIO aren't really that great.. They perform pretty much the same.. maybe somewhat better, but Air will never fail.
It's okay for a gaming machine because... well you can just switch to a console for a few days.. But consider using your PC mostly to earn money.. Having to run around and buy new parts takes 1-2 days in which you can easily miss deadlines or simply don't earn money.. That's why professional machines almost never are cooled with liquid.
quiet narwhal
the theory that liquid is better than air is pretty much not true anymore with a real air cooler like the noctua ones
atleast for an AIO, custom loops will of course be better but... money.. time... and... failure pain point
rigid shoal
I never really considered the failure option.
quiet narwhal
most peopl say its fine, you can get it replaced by the AIO manufacturer if it fails but.... failure causes downtime ๐ฆ
at the worst I keep a backup fan or 2 for the air cooler
broken sigil
if it fails I can just go to the store, buy it and replace it within a day, it's really not that big of a deal
quiet narwhal
if an AIO fails and destroys the other equipment, some people can't really just go out and buy a new cpu mainboard or memory especially now. And if we are talking about a 2k part just replacing it at a whim is a pain in the butt
rich quiver
zinc matrix
keepCOPEING
solid aurora
@quiet narwhal well if you want have 1kg of metal attached to your motherboard..
I made full water loop
took me fea hours
few*
I actually got 24 core TR
I would hardly go back to anything less
full engine rebuild under 5 minutes are pretty much worth it
shut ledge
Does anyone know this song? I think it's from a video game, but I haven't been able to find it. Asking for a friend ๐ https://youtu.be/UoPpxj77Vi0?t=679
pearl elk
Theres a tracklist in the comments
pearl elk
Sounds like its mixed, thats not exactly Star Control 2 track either
tight panther
No luck with Shazam either :c
pearl elk
yeah theyve remixed the Star Control 2 track to make it longer
tight panther
Oh is that from SC2?
tight panther
Are you sure? Only kinda sounds like it
shut ledge
it's not Star Control 2 - that's the 3rd song, supposedly. i'm looking for the 4th song, starting at 11:20
tight panther
That's literally "fourth" in Ukranian lol
shut ledge
ัะตัะฒะตััะฐ is Russian Ukrainian for fourth
tight panther
The guy just enumerated the songs literally
@shut ledge Independent from that, I can personally really recommend https://youtu.be/r28ime9wMzM
Lots of ambient mixes out there but this one's truly ambient
And all of HITMAN's OST goes great along coding too, imo
pearl elk
lol @shut ledge nice save
tight panther
LMAO @shut ledge hol' up ๐
shut ledge
yeah, my Russian is a little rusty ๐ thanks @tight panther, i'll check it out
tight panther
@shut ledge Nw! I'm not fluent in cyrilliic either, it's just that the mighty internetz told me
shut ledge
i had six years of Russian in school, but forgot most of it
tight panther
Well, the guy has his mail up as well as a Patreon with "some track lists" if you wanna risk it
You probably remember know than you think you do, it might be just subconscious :)
@shut ledge
pearl elk
its quite a short song tbh
tight panther
Yeah I know right
pearl elk
all trance songs under 2 minutes long... 0 hits lol
tight panther
๐ ๐
vast heron
People hype Cyberpunk 2077 so much i don't know why, just a regular RPG game, I know Game of the year going to be Half-Life Alyx ๐ because of better tech.
plucky pagoda
Ffs, that description. " Ripped directly from the game files. No copy right infringement intended." That's like saying I robbed a bank, no stealing intended.
vast heron
Using place holders better than ripping game assets.
thorny dock
Thatโs almost as bad as the company who ripped off blizzards Chinese game DOTA heroโs, then a company Ucool ripped and cloned the game, then another company, Lilith games, ripped ucools clone and put it on the mobile game store, Lilith games rip was so bad, in the settings, they forgot to remove the copyright from ucool
Blizzard tried to take them both down and failed, just like with Ubisoft and the latest r6 siege clone
pearl elk
Careful now @plucky pagoda you might trigger some Twitch streamers ๐
(RIAA went nuts on Twitch from what I read)
vast heron
I was a source engine user upgrading to unreal engine felt like using bike than upgrading to tesla roadstar
lucid walrus
sigh... why can't data asset object references be saved to data tables? ๐ฆ
I hope that's the wrong question to ask, but I haven't found the right one yet...
fast abyss
On a 32" screen is 1440p too low a PPI to code? will the text be blurry?
I want a big monitor, but am cautious about working on low PPI screens.
quiet narwhal
with windows text smoothing it should be fine
if it's too blurry, code in 4pt font ๐
quiet narwhal
27" 1440p
but I have to drop to 1080 for recording and it doesn't really bother me
quiet narwhal
output logs in UE4, blueprint in UE4. not much visual studio when recording
no way of testing the screen before buying it?
quiet narwhal
gotcha. I can say I wouldnt do 1080 at 32" but 1440p... might be ok but its all personal
quiet narwhal
Im getting old so larger with lower PPI reaaaally is not sounding like a bad idea for me . the eyes are starting to go blurry lol
fast abyss
You saying you wouldn't notice the lower PPI?
pearl elk
It does depend how close to the screen you'll be too, if you need text scaling etc
quiet narwhal
"wouldnt notice" and not really care is different heh
I mean sure a billion PPI is great when you are on a tablet 6" from your face but 3 feet from the monitor.....
pearl elk
90cm doesnt sound too closer for a monitor that size
quiet narwhal
like right now i am about 2 feet from my monitor, 27" 1440p and the text in the output log in UE4 is annoyingly too small to be honest
fast abyss
hmm
Wish I could test it out, but I don't go anywhere I don't have to until this covid stuff is over.
pearl elk
so do you actually get to control like an FPS or is it just pressing the buttons at the right time?
rich quiver
press button on the right time
pearl elk
F
median wraith
Add mine too
Lol
For some reason we all decided to release music based games this year
@fast abyss what kind of games you play?
fast abyss
@median wraith Right now I only play Fortnite and Total War Warhammer 2.
median wraith
Welp these are shooter, since you play fortnite....
fast abyss
It looked like a musical timing game, no aiming or firing or running and jumping.
Just making sure to hit the beat on the note.
median wraith
Oh okay
fast abyss
@median wraith I looked at the trailers on youtube and I'm confused. It looks like it might be a normal FPS, but you shoot to the music?
Which would be like a brand new genre. Would be epic.
median wraith
I have no clue but have seen another one
There are like 3 at least
Mine isn't that at all, but music based
alpine fern
can you use your own music though
median wraith
Where?
median wraith
The shooters I think are fixed music inside the game
On mine are your files on fly
pearl elk
fathom wadi
I got shat on last time I gave my opinion on that topic ๐
pearl elk
I liked this one cuz its pretty balanced, I wont say which side wins it cuz that'll spoil the fun ๐
analog knoll
is the p03 600 orion upgradable to 64 GB ram on the i7 CPU Family or only the I9 CPU Family?
winter zealot
today on " what mr youtuber tells me to think, using his two little sockpuppets "
that's what the slightly civil war talk show looks like
the little sockpuppet from the left or right will make bad arguments on purpose etc
sorry I forgot to add fake laughs to make it more cool ๐
pearl elk
If you are easily manipulated by media please dont blame video games when you murder someone with a sock puppet
fake laugh
winter zealot
at no point did I imply that I was being easily manipulated, I just said that this show is bad
or it's just compiling arguments from a side or another without ever dismissing any bad arguments
pearl elk
yes and you are always so negative, people laugh for fun occasionally you know. Actually nvm you wouldnt get it
winter zealot
i don't think i'm negative in general but I do like to state my opinions for sure
soft night
monsPuppeteers in action
winter zealot
but I like how at first the show is assumed to be good, but then it's like amagad look it's just for fun okayyy can ppl have fun
having said that, it's fine that ppl like shows
pearl elk
@soft night ofcoarse, I love trying to twist everything so everyone becomes my sheeples
If everything is fake, nothing is real and I can project my own reality directly into their brains
and ofcoarse I get so much clout for posting yahtzee, its how I got my last game dev job ๐
winter zealot
one of the guys on this show completely conflates piracy and modding for instance, or piracy and hacking etc
pearl elk
oh is that sirens, yup its the fun police again
winter zealot
yup, the fun police of youtubers telling people what to think with strawman fallacies and such
pearl elk
Yeah I listen to Pillows arguments because they are made of brick
winter zealot
i'm humbly trying to make my arguments out of common sense and I change my mind when they're wrong
pearl elk
Yahtzee has always been about fun, the entire tone is never serious so Im not sure where you got your argument
winter zealot
usually vblanco makes me change my mind a lot on programming ๐ now i've seen codebases other than UE4 using asserts() i'm a little less against them... I understand they can be useful
pearl elk
oh change of topic after I blew the house of straw down
winter zealot
well what I don't like with Yahtzee its that they basically talk a lot of crap that doesn't make sense, then they disguise it as "humor" because they very much know it doesn't
and then bam, that's propaganda basically
pearl elk
They have no motive for propaganda, the only motive they have is to entertain thats where their money is
If they wanted to bias you why bother with two sides of a debate thats not even in the media spotlight
Next on Pillows hot takes
winter zealot
because the two sides are purposely never really debated, it's just a compilation of all the bullshit arguments from one side or another
then they just make a side have more bullshit arguments while not openly dismissing any side
pearl elk
Youre upset cuz piracy isnt moral high ground?
winter zealot
why would I be upset ?
pearl elk
cuz maybe if you were more direct you might get banned right
pearl elk
Somethings obviously got to you since all I did is post a link in passing and youve turned it into holocaust denial
winter zealot
dude i'm just chilling and commenting on what ppl say
pearl elk
No youre not actually, you turned completely innocent fun into grand standing
you got your attention so what is it
what would you like?
winter zealot
I just appreciate discussing what I think is a bogus show
pearl elk
name a show you like
winter zealot
this show is like " but people need to eat ๐ฎ " " but piracy is like modding even tho it's two completely different things ๐ฎ "
winter zealot
godot dev has shown a great lighting demo
the demo is lit
but lots of people prefer godot to unity and it's very fine
pearl elk
Thats got nothing to do with piracy but okay
winter zealot
ah sorry you wanted more about piracy... unfortunately I don't know much about it
pearl elk
You said the arguments were bullshit so I assumed wrongly you had something better to add
winter zealot
I don't want to turn the discord to an argument about piracy or not really
pearl elk
Maybe check yourself before you criticize others on topics you dont know much about. Made that mistake plenty of times myself
pearl elk
Perhaps they didnt want to turn it into a flame war hence the light heartedness but ofcoarse making people happy must have evil ulterior motives
but congrats on turning it into a back and forth anyway
winter zealot
well talking about something involves... talking about something
pearl elk
Im sure Yahtzee would totally dig your well thought out rebuttal
"fake news" woulda been quicker friend ๐
winter zealot
so for instance the guy completely conflates games sold at 70$ with games sold at 30$ and such
pearl elk
Yes well I noticed they didnt mention F2P but I dont really mind cuz I had a laugh, especially at the end there
winter zealot
the guy also makes a point : " but people need to eat ๐ฎ " and the other guy doesn't even adress it, and then say " but piracy is like modding even tho it's two completely different things ๐ฎ "
pearl elk
I guess its because you cant pirate a F2P game so makes sense
winter zealot
it's think like this that i'd "add to the debate", if any
pearl elk
Its because of the format, they each have a response and a rebuttal and the rebuttals are obviously not 100% scripted unlike you know propaganda ๐
winter zealot
I feel that they're very scripted because it's like they're purposely reading a list of arguments, and I don't think propaganda is always scripted
pearl elk
They are reading from notes, their responses are prepared obviously, the rebuttals arnt because they didnt know what the other would say
Even if it is entirely scripted its for entertainment its not the lower house
winter zealot
yeah, so i'm very sorry about that.. i'm gonna have to consider a video titled " is video game piracy ever justified " as a convo about piracy, no matter how entertaining or sloppy
pearl elk
Many of these arguments we would have heard many times over so they are playing the part regardless of their personal views
winter zealot
and for instance we can have a perfectly valid conversation without knowing what the other would say, but they don't have a convo because all that they do is expose bad arguments that could appeal to people
pearl elk
yes and you still have no better arguments than their bullshit, you are attacking the source not the substance
winter zealot
to me it's a non topic
pearl elk
obviously from all these lines of text
winter zealot
to me, the question is more like " are games overpriced " " how can modding be easier "
pearl elk
but whats up, are you okay?
you obviously needed someone to talk to, I worry about you sometimes
I hope you smile
winter zealot
yes i'm fine, sometimes a show or an article makes me wanna react so that's always nice doing that
and you ? is everything ok where you are ?
pearl elk
Youtube has this great feature and most sites have it to, its called comments.
Im not really in a position to discuss the intricacies of Yahtzees production process and whether he is trying to sway people to not pirate games.
winter zealot
well you are an individual and entitled to make your opinion about what you want
pearl elk
I mean really, being in the industry we should support our fellow developers. If a game is bad just wait for the shitstorm because it does hit if a game is bad
winter zealot
i absolutely agree with supporting gamedevs
pearl elk
Then again it must be so difficult for you to find games if you dont trust reviewers
winter zealot
but like, asking questions like " are games overpriced " or " how can modding be easier " would have been as efficient , and really adressing those issues not just making a list of every argument
pearl elk
but to answer your question, Im absolutely brilliant, we havent had barely any virus cases here in ages, everythings opening up and Australia is looking to come out economically sound. I got no worries
pearl elk
Well I do think youre right that modding is out of the scope of piracy, it is a topic many developers skip over now compared to the golden age of modding
winter zealot
yeah now it's like bethesda is relying on modders to do the work for them
or that's what it looks like in my opinion anyways
pearl elk
On the other hand you got games like Minecraft, Roblox etc all soaking up young modding talent
winter zealot
ah yes that too indeed
i don't know if it's the same people tho, maybe... but I always figured out modders as people playing counterstrike and fallout etc
dunno, maybe roblox players would like to mod pc games yup
pearl elk
Modding can be problematic when it comes to anti-cheat in MP which is why so many MP service type games just avoid the topic all together
Fallout 76 had alot of issues with false positives, people cant be messing with the framebuffer and not expect to get hit
To me those sorts of things are closer to hacks than mods
winter zealot
i've no idea about all this, hacks for multiplayer games etc
but yeah that must be anoying
pearl elk
Well in UT I think it was you could have stuff on the client and the server would DL it but that was problematic. In UT2004 we had to run package checkers and have a whitelist of mods which were okay for a more competitive type environment
The two run abit counter to each other, competitive play and highly moddable
Obviously too if content is good enough then the creator should be fairly compensated, some modders simply need enough to keep it going theyre not in it for profit. Now the big companies are on it though they make their own mods, which is essentially what they call seasons, this way they can have their competitive environment while still have that stream of new content.
winter zealot
well i'm glad you say that but thanks to this wonderful show, now newcomer pirates are going to have lots of new arguments that don't make sense
they're going to be " we understand that devs need to pay their rent but pirating is an exploration of security okaythx "
pearl elk
I dont think so, they are simply reiterating what Ive heard in the debate before a heap of times over
And on the topic of security, companies regularly ask for people to try to break their anti-cheat, look at Riot they recently offered a bounty
winter zealot
indeed but piracy and hacking aren't exactly similar ๐
also, about security i'm naively assuming everything would be less hackable if serverside but I don't know anything about that
pearl elk
lol umm actually they are, to get past Denuvo you need to hack
obviously hacking can be cheating or piracy ๐ or something entirely else
winter zealot
indeed but the guys hacking denuvo are not doing to stenghten denuvo, they're doing it to pirace ๐
but yeah you're right to say piracy involves hacking etc
I didn't even know about denuvo
i might have read some kotaku news about it a long time ago
pearl elk
Yeah depends if theyre a white or black hat, some hackers are ethical so I wont get into the morality since thats really a case by case basis. Some hacks can be in regards to modding, I used to hack memory in RPGs to get better stats, totally non malicious for my own fun. If I did that in Fallout 76 though, banhammer
tough sierra
winter zealot
ohcool Koi ! somecode !
tough sierra
That line that says reserve saved my ass so hard.
I hate returning vectors.
Without it i was tanking 3 fps at 50k moving bodies, with it all went smooth as butter again.
winter zealot
what does it do tho reserve ?
pearl elk
does that extra e in size really matter so much?
winter zealot
@pearl elk mons look it's amazing ! Lounge is back to being about code ๐ฎ !
tough sierra
It's to keep consistency with the code base, siz works nicely with pos
spare glade
Must....Condense....All....Code....
tough sierra
^
winter zealot
indeed ๐
pearl elk
you just typed so many for loops man ๐ฎ
tough sierra
if()
{
//
}
head explodes
spare glade
Though that empty line above the 4th last brace is problematic
winter zealot
also, if the returned arrays of vector is always of a similar size and used at several places in the code
tough sierra
Yeah i'm considering using a kind of flat buffer or referenced vector as the return value.
winter zealot
it might be interesting to make it not like a pointer but an object that's only allocated once
indeed yup
tough sierra
It's not really a pointer even as is.
winter zealot
yeah mybad
tough sierra
struct PhysicsEngine {
static constexpr uint32_t max_bodies = 100000;
static constexpr uint32_t unit_size = 1000; //used as a pretend "1" normalized value to emulate decimal
FlatFlaggedBuffer<BodyAABB, max_bodies> bodies = FlatFlaggedBuffer<BodyAABB, max_bodies>();
FlatBuffer<FlatBuffer<BodyID, 100>, max_bodies> overlappingBodyIDs;
SpatialHashTable<300, 300, 64*unit_size> spatialHashTable;
This right here, i've found to be very performant for niche cases. Not dealing with any dynamic memory for physics bodies.
And using indexes instead of pointers.
winter zealot
may I ask if you're using an engine in particular ?
tough sierra
This na it's all from scratch.
Save the rendering this time.
Using Entt this time around though.
winter zealot
noice! so it means that overlappingBodyIDs cannot be bigger than max_bodies ?
or that spatialHashTable is always 300, 300, 64*unit_size ?
tough sierra
For that case yeah. It's unorthadox as a lot would say but if I know that those bounds won't break then it's fine.
Actually 100 is the amount of overlapping bodies every body could have.
Max
max_bodies is the max amount of bodies. It's a nested buffer ehehe >.<
If this was observed in a commercial engine i'm sure someone would get shot.
pearl elk
So why do it?
winter zealot
no it's that i'm not reading it with attention and all, pretty sure it's clearer than I make it to, also good question
tough sierra
It's unorthodox honestly, a lot of people get confused with it being so abnormal.
tough sierra
That's basically what it is, now the exception being "FlatFlaggedBuffer"
That is pretty much the same as a normal flat buffer but it just has another buffer below it which tells you which indexes are valid and which aren't.
pearl elk
Im really curious what you were doing before that was worse
tough sierra
I've failed to get it working with bits yet >.< But even with bytes it's very efficient.
Well.
Not using flags.
I discovered there's an issue where when you remove bodies around, you end up with empty spaces, or you move bodies around, in which case those indexes you handed out become invalid.
Before that attempt.
It was typical "new Body" for every body instance.
Which i guess was alright but wasn't any where near as efficient.
You'd get noticeable lag spikes and the amount of collisions permitted was dramatically reduced.
pearl elk
you mean like a sparse array
tough sierra
I'm actually not sure what the correct name of it is.
Had to kind of reinvent something.
That can be considered unlicensed >.<
If using bits it'd have worked so much better but even this is pretty sweet. Since your able to check 4+ indexes for invalidity with a single instruction.
If it was using bits it'd have been 4x8=32 indexes, or 64 indexes in 64 bit mode.
Because all you have to do is check a large chunk against the value -1
This weird situation also poses an interesting advantage.
"In theory" easy network syncing.
Since this is dealing with indexes not pointers.
And since the engine is not using floats at all it could even be time stepped.
pearl elk
But dont you need to validate the indices on the client or you get desync?
slight bit of packet loss would be bad, you'll end up with a bottleneck if its ordered
tough sierra
Actually that's curious.
I'm lacking sufficient network experience to say, in lockstep that's not a problem since your forced to make sure all packets come in, but with different strategies that's interesting.
In full authoritative i'm not sure what to think, most i've done in that case was just pass in raw rendering data to the client and avoided letting them do physics manually.
Which does have some issues. Depending on the genre.
So in the spirit of curiosity and what you've mentioned so far I should do some tests ^-^
winter zealot
maybe checking the array using a checksum algorithm or something
tough sierra
O . O
winter zealot
or not ? ๐ sorry
tough sierra
No actually.
That might not be a bad idea.
Especially for smaller body counts.
Even larger ones.
abstract haven
tough sierra
It's just basic addition. With flat data.
You can do about 16 MB of additions in a single frame.
winter zealot
yeah I don't know if that'd work but it might
tough sierra
50k bodies is a drop in the bucket really. I think it's worth a try so thank you ^-^
winter zealot
np ^-^ it really was a team effort, I wouldn't have thought about this without you guys
pearl elk
@abstract haven thats alittle odd, I understand what theyre going for but Im not sure they hit the mark with couple of those
50k bodies, not even sure if I want to think about replicating that
tough sierra
Hatred for dumb reasons is just part of being sentient if you consider humanity as a prime example.
We are flawed.
Very much so.
na you'd only replicate some of those not all, unless it's lockstep in which no replication
abstract haven
I dunno @pearl elk mtg used to be very metal, but now it's main story is a bunch of carebear planeswalkers and they keep making LGBT promo sets and writing stuff into the story like "oh this character has autism"
pearl elk
Well they removed the picture for Cleanse, if its because of the text "all black creatures in play are destroyed" its listed right there on the database next to the image
abstract haven
I mean it's way out of context, seems like another company trying to virtue signal and push up the value of some cards to me
pearl elk
in context Im sure black means black cards right, Im sure the players get that. I cant really tell what could be bad about the image. I def get why Jihad and Crusade might offend since thats an ancient blood feud
abstract haven
and wahts next, people censoring all the racist atrocities of the past because they think it's offensive? we are supposed to learn from our mistakes, not hide them
yes, when it says creatures of any color its referring to the cards
tough sierra
I've not messed with mtg much, but hearthstone and wow a bit, there's semi racist tones between different cultures but to me it mimics life. Cultures naturally struggle against each other, sadly.
And it's not all against one it's each with their own flaws picking about each other.
Hella subtle but still.
pearl elk
I really like Mike Pondsmith, I got heaps of respect for that man. When it comes to these topics he's very understanding but at the same time takes a firm stance on the creative license
tough sierra
It's art.
pearl elk
Yeah thats a point, theres not like a card which you can lay down which just wipes the floor, they all have their nuances on when they are used. So art imitating life
I think the worry is like something Pillows said earlier that it can be construed as a message whether intentional or not. That by making a certain card abit weaker it might inadvertently give the impression you want to weaken that culture
pearl elk
lets for instance say Crusade always beats Jihad, that would be taken the wrong way forsure
Its probably easier just to skirt around the issue and remove the cards from play
tough sierra
Fear is a strange self sustaining thing.
pearl elk
I know I have my trigger points too, my card would be Invasion Day
otherwise known as Australia Day
I guess the odd thing is that theyve been making MTG for how long and theyve only just noticed this issue, theyve never made plans to fix it previously and even then it wouldnt be too difficult to come up with replacements that are more sensitive without ruining the essence of what the cards mean when played
zinc matrix
@pearl elk hello
strong kindle
Can't believe I found you again @alpine fern
I was looking at a code solution forum post I had found on google yesterday and realised you were the OP
elfin zinc
sage ermine
devious bastards
now every time you google for free 3d model of such and such...
all the links are too NOT FREE models on their website called www.free3d.com
north torrent
Maybe Tim Sweeny will buy them up.
sage ermine
meh it's not so bad... they got a free category
even there every second item is NOT free
but there is lots of pretty cool stuff that is free
north torrent
I go around to websites that sell Kontakt libraries and download all the free stuff...
zinc matrix
I think I have around 6 Kontakt libs, one drum kit, some more electronic ones and couple pianos. That's all I need.
foggy path
Usually just having the domain for a certain keyword isn't really enough to rank well on google for it... especially if it's a highly competitive keyword like "free 3d models"
(it certainly can help though)
zinc matrix
To be fair I love Korg synth offer. Monologue and latest Wavestate would cover probably 99% of my needs. No more VSTs.
foggy path
Only VSTi you need is the OPL emulator VST lol
also ffs I wish I could go one day without UE crashing on some normal UI action like I dunno changing tabs...
I swear it's become even more crashy since 4.23
wait! it just froze for like 2 minutes!
๐คฆ
north torrent
I am mostly interested is sampled instruments, especially more odd or less common instruments.
carmine frigate
thats all way to fancy for me
i just use beepbox
beep beep
lol more than 2k signs
it auto generated a txt, thats fancy
zinc matrix
it asked about my password and pin when I tried to download it...
carmine frigate
yea thanks for filling that in
all ur data is safe with me, also its for sale
i guess the link size got a lot bigger when they added instruments
foggy path
now that UE has modular synthesis functionality I'm kind of curious to try and see how that works
I'm sure you could do basic beeps and boops at least ๐ค
carmine frigate
yea you can
im not verry good at it tho ๐
but thats also cuz i know nothing about synths and waveforms
its still pretty far away from an endlessawwsomemusicgenerator
stil its kinda fun to play around with
foggy path
oh that's pretty neat yeah
zinc matrix
where can i find technical animation artists
foggy path
you could try posting in #looking-for-talent
zinc matrix
not even sure if i need a "technical" one. if i press w, i want the geese to begin walking slowly and then increase speed until lift off"
carmine frigate
i dont think technical animation artist is a thing ๐
sounds like u just need a blendspace
zinc matrix
is that hard to amke?
carmine frigate
nah, the 3rd person template has 1
zinc matrix
it's a geese, not a human
zinc matrix
and a totally different animation XDD
carmine frigate
yea replace the animation in the blueprint for geese anim
or keep the human it might be fun
zinc matrix
thats it?
carmine frigate
yea thats basically it
carmine frigate
well if you never worked with the 3rd template anim bp it can still take some time
but if you use that as a base its also more easy to get help from other ppl that have used it
zinc matrix
@carmine frigate im thinking of a multipalyer game where you have to fly and form a group with other geese. if you hold the group, you get points.
with https://simul.co/
carmine frigate
Rmouse the 3rd person anim bp, retarget uncheck compatible skeletons, pick the geese and retarget
i have no idea how to picture that ๐
zinc matrix
youve never seen geese flying into clouds? IT IS BEAUTIFUL
it does sound very unrealistic
carmine frigate
it wont do anything unless the bones are named the same
but u can than replace the anims with ur own
idle walk run. jump start and inair
kinda sounds like what u need
tulip orbit
just retexture the crow white and you've got a goose
carmine frigate
a painted crow retargeted to a humanoid skeleton, this thing is goin places
foggy path
I get the feeling they don't really do diffs on files
just push the entire thing again down the pipe :P
tulip orbit
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sage tendon
Something should be done with those insane sizes
Or use geforce now
Downloading a game of 50gb or 100gb is instant ๐
foggy path
I actually tried playing an FPS game using Stadia
it was not as bad as I thought it would be, like.. kind of okay it didn't annoy me too much
but frankly I don't know if I'd want to lol
sage tendon
I played Rust on Geforce Now yesterday and it went totally fine
Black Desert didnt went as smooth, but I guess playing on Ultra is even to much for that
foggy path
something sorta casual and not super twitchy would be okay I guess but I usually play shooters kind of competitively lol
sage tendon
Im gonna try CSGO tonight, I have doubts but testing is the way ๐
foggy path
if you play vs bads it could work lol
assuming you have good aim :P
or maybe you can just buy a negev
negev goes brrrrrrt lol
rigid shoal
You could probably play Overwatch totally fine on Stadia with like half of the heroes. ๐ฆ
carmine frigate
just overwriting the files you changed.. that doesnt even need a programmer
some1 made a lil oopsie i guess
foggy path
somehow I doubt it because they've had other gigantic updates
carmine frigate
some1 made it a while back than ๐
foggy path
lol maybe
sage tendon
the game lib of geforce now is not that big though
i would love the play DOOM or GTA5 on it, but they are not there
only a few games have RTX
foggy path
Don't they allow you to just install random stuff from steam tho?
sage tendon
you can but it wont work
atleast, 2 months ago when I tried that with Doom it didnt work
carmine frigate
nvidia should have grabbed 10k GTAV copies for free on the epic store
sage tendon
they dont have too, when you launch a game, it opens a RDP session where you have to login to your Steam or Epic Games account
carmine frigate
ahh i have no clue about the workings of Gforce now
sage tendon
its like you play on your own computer with your own game library, just on the hardware of nvidia
and if they have the game files of a game, you can actually play it
carmine frigate
ahh cool, mayB install valorant there, so they can deal with the ring 0
sage tendon
i wonder how nvidia deals with that kind of stuff
that Wolfenstein game with RTX also had it, they do have it on geforce now
tho im too greedy to pay 50 euro for a game
fathom wadi
wolfenstein is on xbox game pass for pc for cheap
carmine frigate
nvidia prolly has their own ring ๐
fathom wadi
3.99 a month or something
sage tendon
I hoped that Geforce Now would give you "free access" to the games as long you're a paying member
but I was wrong T_T
tho 5.50 euro per month to use high-end hardware isnt a bad deal either
carmine frigate
how is blender on it?
chilly igloo
Guys, maybe some one are familiar with AMD threadrippers BOX versions. I thinking about buying threadripper box version from personal seller. The processor are unboxed, but i pretty nervous cause it looks like actually those box can be opened without ripping paper. So it can look like never opened but...
carmine frigate
what % wil u save if u buy there?
chilly igloo
what % wil u save if u buy there?
@carmine frigate about 15%. But its not about saving money at all. At ANY local shops all threadrippers what i want are out of stock ๐ฆ
zinc matrix
keep coping
sage tendon
@carmine frigate didnt check if it has Blender yet, i will let you know ^^
(I dont think so, its software rather than a game)
carmine frigate
@sage tendon its on steam ๐
sage tendon
I know, i use it that way, but I mean on Geforce Now
They only support so many games of Steam, not the full assortment
carmine frigate
ahh ok
@chilly igloo mayB ask for a picture or drop by if its not to far
aww, no deal than ๐
chilly igloo
@chilly igloo mayB ask for a picture or drop by if its not to far
@carmine frigate so it looks okay, but... I just never see/touch those amd boxes by myself. At first glance they look secure but... Why they are out of stock? Whyy?! ๐ญ
carmine frigate
i bought used hardware a few times, usuall i pick it up myself
but i have a yakuza subscription, they take care of my warranty and legal problems ๐
chilly igloo
but i have a yakuza subscription, they take care of my warranty and legal problems ๐
@carmine frigate lucky you ๐ฅ
mild root
spatial design is damn so hard
tulip orbit
so is character design >_< currently sculpting in blender and I have no idea what I'm doing
mild root
what is har har?
tough sierra
Lets go deeeeeeper.
Pst, I don't think DRMs are actually effective ๐
Maybe i'm being an ass.
But i'm actually hopeful I'll aggro someone.
Oof yup that's being an ass >.<
real palm
By taking a stance that DRM isn't the most effective means to protect your game?
Or by suggesting everyone should pirate?
tough sierra
Na not taking a stance on anything.
Am curious if the mere subject will get someone's bunches in a knot.
real palm
How are you going to aggro somebody if you aren't even trying?
mossy nexus
DRM isn't really effective. If people what to pirate something they will.
tough sierra
That's part of the experiment.
real palm
I think a lot of people in here are against DRM
tough sierra
I was having an interesting discussion about this a while ago in i think it was Game Dev.net's discord.
There were a couple that assumed it was necessary.
mossy nexus
There are plenty of examples where pirated stuff increase sales too
tough sierra
7 days to die.
I'm a fan of the culture but no clue if it hurts/helps in reality. I'd like it if AAA devs took a step back and evaluated the situation more though.
Basically yeah my past experience was that anything on the market immediately ends up pirated.
It's basically a game.
I like being proven wrong though.
Like honestly.
It's good to question one's assumptions ^-^
Also if it was true that a mod was removing a har har comment (though unlikely) that'd just encourage me to tease the server even more ๐
There's weird moderation in global chat for a videogame called crossout. No one's allowed to cuss apparently.
And.
Itchy
Must scratch.
real palm
Yeah it was removing har har, someone had a self bot spamming it in channels. Not sure how you feel about dev assets, but that's what it was
tough sierra
Ooooh it was spam
real palm
And besides, I think the server could get in trouble with discord