You really mean, straight from disk to gpu?
#lounge
tough sierra
pearl elk
Ive seen SSDs which run pretty fast through PCIE, if you do it through the x1 channel on the newer standard you get far more bandwith
pearl elk
have SLI/Crossfire with a pluggable SSD to go between em ๐
fluid bloom
DirectStorage โ DirectStorage is an all new I/O system designed specifically for gaming to unleash the full performance of the SSD and hardware decompression. It is one of the components that comprise the Xbox Velocity Architecture. Modern games perform asset streaming in the background to continuously load the next parts of the world while you play, and DirectStorage can reduce the CPU overhead for these I/O operations from multiple cores to taking just a small fraction of a single core; thereby freeing considerable CPU power for the game to spend on areas like better physics or more NPCs in a scene. This newest member of the DirectX family is being introduced with Xbox Series X and we plan to bring it to Windows as well.
tough sierra
"or more npc's in a scene"
And you all say you don't give a shit about that.
Sexy stuff though.
pearl elk
Well I mean CPU cant be doing all the physics on its own ๐
Its really about getting data to the proper processor faster, CPU has its uses but its mostly a coprocessor in a gaming device
tough sierra
Game logic. If you want to simulate a lot of mechanics.
pearl elk
Curious to see if that demo could actually be scaled to mobile and what sort of fidelity could be achieved. UE5 is perhaps aimed at more high end devices
tough sierra
With a license like that, intuition feels the same way.
pearl elk
It makes sense, when I started out with UE4 there was kinda this list of what Epic wanted to upgrade and most of those things are done. Its insane to think whats on the roadmap ahead
north torrent
And the number of people purchasing Zbrush subscriptions is up 35% after that demo...
pearl elk
lol Im not sure I could even run a model with that many polys
north torrent
Zbrush is pretty much all cpu bound.
Back in 2011 I was able to get up to 6,000,000 polygons.
Never did I expect 500 statues at 33,000,000 a piece with dynamic real time lighting.
mossy nexus
@pearl elk according to the devs, UE5 takes all those Hi def meshes and can scale them down to mobile.
pearl elk
those are static instances though right, thats the trick
fluid bloom
north torrent
None of the statues had any sort of Chaos destruction going on.
pearl elk
could the entire view frustum be a big texture?
north torrent
So that makes me think it is still a good practice to optimize your 3d models so you can destroy them later.
pearl elk
Im not doin the UVs ๐
north torrent
You do the UVs at the lowest subdivision level.
ancient ingot
fucking hayfever ๐ก
tough sierra
It's meant for consoles, we fucking better get a big decrease in disk prices.
I refuse to install warzone cause of the disk space required, even if it's only 80GB.
That's 7 or 6 copies of 7d2d right there.
All the artists are probably excited as hell though lol.
"we get to infect the world with our high poly works of ART"
ancient ingot
dont install Destiny 2 then ๐
pearl elk
8K textures, per channel pfft, its only 200GB per scene
fluid bloom
I don't understand why there aren't capsules against hayfever
tough sierra
I feel bad for game artists, everyone has a hate love relationship with them.
fluid bloom
only annoying take-one-each-day-pills
proven thorn
Hello everyone, it's been a very long time since I interacted with the Unreal community. But, hey, it's nice to be back.
ancient ingot
Welcome back
tough sierra
meow
median wraith
If Kite Demo took me to open 2-3H will bet UE5 demo scene takes 5 days to open
pearl elk
lol compiling UE5 takes twice as long ๐
tough sierra
The system reminds me of those voxel projects, the ones that would trim down smaller details until you got closer to the object.
pearl elk
I bet it'll be slicker though, I remember with UE4 it was quite small in the early builds
north torrent
As of late a lot of work as a game artist involves going into things like substance painter and editing normal maps and such procedurally.
So do artists really want to just Zbrush something and stick it into the engine without going through the normal map process? I don't really know.
tough sierra
If you think compiling ue4 takes a while, try compiling an android OS.
pearl elk
They might take the chance to move some of that stuff out to plugins that needs to be
proven thorn
Artists on my team are very excited about not having to make low polygon versions, cages and then normal map baking.
Half the time, they complain about normal maps not being baked properly.
north torrent
But in a lot of cases I think they will still be needed.
tough sierra
They could use a flipping program to make low poly versions if it doesn't need to be animated.
it's super easy.
proven thorn
Yes you can with things like Simplygon but it's kind of really poor quality.
north torrent
I don't think we are going to be getting 33,000,000 tri skinned, rigged, and animated characters for example.
proven thorn
We use that a lot for things like LODs, although we still hand make LODs at the lowest level.
tough sierra
To the average person or to an artist maybe. Am too blind to notice much a difference.
north torrent
Or physics or destructible objects.
tough sierra
Characters hell no that has to be done by hand.
pearl elk
I put a more than 1mil poly Mars into UE4 once, that actually ran alright with dynamic lighting lol
proven thorn
Sometimes the results are pretty garbage, with weird texture stretching.
tough sierra
The artists seem as nit picky about visual quality as I am about optimized game mechanics.
north torrent
Having more options with the technology is always good, but I think it will take some time for artists to adjust to the new concepts.
tough sierra
We better be getting low poly stuff anyway to conserve disk space.... Pretty please.
2K textures for example.
With 100k tries at most.
pearl elk
yeah actually 8K on its own isnt too bad without all the mipmaps
tough sierra
As an optional download.
north torrent
Polygon count and texture size are too totally different things.
proven thorn
The real win is not having to figure out the requirements right at the start of the project. Which hopefully can reduce headaches down the line.
proven thorn
I would say that the demo also used virtualized texturing.
tough sierra
For the gamers, as with software consumers, there's a price to be paid.
pearl elk
Yeah they said it was virtual texturing
proven thorn
So it isn't really 2K textures, but rather it will be whatever resolution artists want.
tough sierra
I want the ability to download the game with 8th the quality.
To conserve disk space.
proven thorn
Also with a 100% dynamically lit scene, it will be the end of seeing "LIGHTING NEEDS TO BE REBUILT"
north torrent
I personally just want more Chaos physics and destruction features.
pearl elk
Just think of all the weird annoying graphics bugs youre yet to discover
tough sierra
A static scene might not need the dynamic lights.
north torrent
The lighting stuff will make a big difference for destructible environments.
proven thorn
A static scene will still benefit from dynamic lighting, as it removes a whole bunch of work.
Not having the make light map UVs...
pearl elk
We need HevLight 5.0
tough sierra
Could just swap to static before shipping.
Ez pz
You don't make an int x when you could make a #define X or at least a constexpr int x
median wraith
dynamic light don't means you don't need a lightmap UV
proven thorn
@median wraith ha ha.
median wraith
and from the demo is seems is using these to a pre pase
proven thorn
Oh? What would you need it for?
tough sierra
Don't stationary lights use something like that?
I thought they did a weird hack where they were almost optimized like static lights.
Noticed it helped a lot with an APU pc a while ago.
proven thorn
I do believe the goal of Lumen is to be 100% dynamic with no preprocessing. A lot like the original goals of UE4's SVOGI.
soft night
those are stationary lightsource so if dynamic lightsource come it kinda blend in
stanionar can be pointlight
tough sierra
If there's options to help optimize for the final product, am for it.
proven thorn
In a lot of the open world games i helped build in UE4, they were 100% dynamic because there was no way to effectively to any light map baking.
fluid bloom
JS can burn in hell
median wraith
there are threads on Twitter about light, anyway we will see soon probably
pearl elk
Did anyone mention VR yet?
tough sierra
Has vr gotten much cheaper?
north torrent
Either way, best get to finishing the games you guys are working on now so you will be ready to play with Unreal 5 next year.
soft night
well thing about how raytracing have changed the industry is making VR better for quality
and it also affect AR as well
as dynamic light from enviroment
tough sierra
Meaning i'm going to need a new full PC upgrade soon ;-;
north torrent
Use your stimulus check...
Not really, don't ever listen to me.
On anything actually.
tough sierra
That's getting put into stocks and investments.
median wraith
@proven thorn I mean dynamic won't be the only solution, plus you can use right now whole dynamic light
proven thorn
Yes.
north torrent
Sounds like a good plan to do the exact opposite of staying in the green...
tough sierra
I'm not sitting on the income, i'm betting on inflation, so am putting into stocks while they dropped.
soft night
making PBR textures is worth it
north torrent
In the US?
They dropped, then recovered back up to levels that aren't going to last. They are going to drop back to March numbers soon enough.
tough sierra
That'll be the ideal time to drop into them then.
north torrent
Like the Dow Jones for example is 23,000 right now, which is super high compared to the 18,500 it dropped to on March 23.
proven thorn
Also, the royalty waiver is nuts.
tough sierra
Oh dude there's been way more insane examples.
north torrent
If you invest at 23 and then it drops to 18 you aren't winning, Mr. Koi.
tough sierra
Bitcoin for a day was like a tenth of it's value.
north torrent
I am intentionally choosing the most stable example that I know.
tough sierra
I'm planning on keeping value into them for a few years though.
Not invested juuuuust yet.
north torrent
Wait till it drops back again.
tough sierra
For sure ^-^
tough sierra
Makes sense.
Yeah economy is having spasms.
People are about to go buy crazy I've a feeling.
As far as food.
north torrent
I spent a good amount of my day ordering food online today.
Stocking up for a second wave of outbreaks and quarantines.
north torrent
I'm not so sure about here.
There was never really a first outbreak here. But that doesn't mean they won't stick me under quarantine for another few weeks just to make sure.
Here they will beat you with sticks if you break quarantine. Not like in the US where they say, "stay home and don't be around people... unless you don't want to... then go do what you want."
median wraith
@proven thorn to be more clear there on before topic, given they use now VT, if the light uses that then you need a lightmap for
proven thorn
I personally don't think the US is going to see a W shaped economy. I am quite certain it will be an L shaped one.
median wraith
tbh can be auto generated so whatever
mossy nexus
The Uk isn't much better for quarantine advice.
proven thorn
@median wraith Ah. Hopefully we can get rid of light map UVs!
tough sierra
We arrested people for breaking it here if they were known to be sick.
But that's about it so far.
north torrent
Well, if we are going by Dow Jones numbers I don't expect things to be getting back up to 29,000 anytime in the next decade. Things should have never been that high so start with, it was unsustainable.
mossy nexus
Our government deliberately did not start lockdown early, as they thought we could work through it to take advantage of countries under lockdown..
tough sierra
They didn't really explain why either.
Just saying "hurd immunity"
From what I heaerd.
north torrent
That's what different states are trying to do, get the advantage over each other with jobs by being open when the others aren't.
Nobody is working together, just trying to stab each other in the back.
mossy nexus
basically yes, they also said that sacrifices were necessary ie let the poor workers die as long as the fat cats make money
Thankfully the devolved parliaments have better sense than Westminster
north torrent
I still find it crazy that the US thinks that the fat cats are the 'Job Creators' and that somehow the working class owes them everything for letting them work.
Most crazy indoctrination I have seen other than North Korea.
tough sierra
Depends on perspective, someone has to ship products, maintain the blood lines, and maintain production so we don't starve.
mossy nexus
The US is very weird
proven thorn
The US stock market makes no sense.
The divide between Wall and Main street is massivr
north torrent
One of my 7 year old students gave a speech this morning about the oppression of capitalism and the rights of workers.
She didn't even know how to pronounce oppression, but I am still proud of her.
Eat the rich!
mossy nexus
๐
north torrent
The stock market is kept propped up by the Fed and unsustainable government policies that won't allow the growth to have a natural resting point.
It is like if someone lived on RedBull as opposed to sleeping.
proven thorn
I love capitalism, but what is happening in the US isn't capitalism. Capitalism would have let those companies fail.
north torrent
Just keep downing another RedBull every time you feel slow.
mossy nexus
A lot of people in US think they have it good, and have better rights etc than the rest of the 1st world countries. It's indoctrination and brainwashing at its finest.
north torrent
Well, the topic this morning was about Labor Day and why it started.
So the idea was more that the ability to unionize and go on strike keeps the oppressive nature of capitalism in check.
Because we just had the Labor Day holiday from May 1st to May 5th
mossy nexus
Labor laws in the US are pitiful
proven thorn
New Zealand used to be heavily unionized in the past and it lead to horrible outcomes where doing anything cost so much money that it was cheaper to out source anything in the end.
north torrent
There is in theory supposed to be a balance between the Government, the Corporations, and the Unions.
A 3 legged stool.
mossy nexus
Scotland lost most of its shipyards due to over zealous Unions in the 70's
north torrent
If the Government gives too much power to one of the other legs, then the stool falls over.
tough sierra
We could live without restaurants but we can't live without stores, or truckers, or people in the production sector. Those are super vital. As is energy and utilities.
And software dev.
And your right about that.
north torrent
We could live without the CEOs.
tough sierra
Any really big entity tends to fuck up and get corrupt.
Someone has to start and manage the company direction though.
north torrent
But if you remove the CEO someone else just as good will rise up and take the position.
For less pay.
tough sierra
My counter argument is that the gov isn't any different than a business. They are just bigger scale. With internally conflicting interests.
tough sierra
But then they are the new CEO
north torrent
But if we can get rid of the CEO making 1000x and replace him with a CEO making 200x, then that's a victory.
tough sierra
How much experience have they acquired to be at that point? How do you measure who's ideal for the job?
The ones making a shit ton, unless i'm mistaken, are the larger companies that absolutely do need to get trimmed down.
sage tendon
Imagine founding a company and suddenly its not yours anymore
tough sierra
Basically that.
I'd never get into business.
That aside though.
It's sad that it's hard to find the right balance that's fair.
proven thorn
That's the problem with making it public.
north torrent
The world simply doesn't need Mark Zuckerburgs to keep on turning.
proven thorn
If you never go public that doesnt happen.
sage tendon
The problem is the core of capitalism, the greed comes only natrual
tough sierra
There's more people than that in the world who do business though.
north torrent
They are very replaceable, not special talents that make anything a better place.
proven thorn
Depends on the origins of the CEO and so forth
tough sierra
And how long they been in it, and their goals.
proven thorn
I guess I am the CEO of my own studio for example. I came from modding for 25 years till noe
I talk with some other studios and a lot of them came from non gaming backgrounds
north torrent
Anyways, because of the extremely messed up nature of US politics and the indoctrination factor, if I want to discuss the US economic system I always start from the most extreme view that I can reasonably defend.
Otherwise you get the standard US pattern of a moderate and a far right extremist compromise and make the middle right the new norm.
proven thorn
But you can still be a good CEO regardless, you just have to care more about the company and its people more than your own wallet
tough sierra
I've not bothered trying to understand what those terminologies mean, there's just a cause/effect and balance to things that takes a lot of work to figure out, may never be fully achievable either.
north torrent
In the end a lot of the problems could be solved by 3 simple steps.
- No more stock buybacks for corporations. 2. No more rich people funding political candidates and buying politicians and 3. Actually enforce the laws that are already in place on the rich people who have been too rich to need to follow them.
tough sierra
Honestly, if i can make a company that has less workers required to do the same task i'll do it, not just for the extra income, but the productivity involved, people are more valuable than machines anyway.
What is a stock buyback?
Point two i absolutely agree with
north torrent
The #1 problem with the United States.
tough sierra
I think most of us here agree with that one.
north torrent
I will link you to a video, because I want to eat my noodles.
soft night
when real time raytracing become new hottness
tough sierra
If anything people in positions of power need more legal eyeballing and restraints since they are more responsible for lives than we are.
That includes the gov.
And all it's officials.
north torrent
This is a left leaning source, so just be aware. I have a more neutral source but it doesn't explain it as well.
tough sierra
I think we both do actually.
north torrent
tough sierra
Honestly i don't understand the point of stocks.
I'd never want to give ownership of my company partially to anyone.
Unless i know them personally.
proven thorn
Stock buy backs used to be illegal.
north torrent
Well, that would take me too long to explain...
proven thorn
Stocks are a useful tool, when they are used correctly.
north torrent
Yes, stock buybacks being illegal is the 'American Way' but Ronald Reagan changed that to jump start the economy.
I don't think it was ever meant as a long term solution though.
I think it was like a short term shot of RedBull because you are feeling sluggish.
But the US hasn't got off the RedBull in over 30 years.
proven thorn
QE was meant to be short term... Ha ha ha ha
north torrent
So I don't even 100% disagree with Ronald Reagan's decision. I don't agree with it either, but I can certainly see the logic.
ancient ingot
sooooooooooo................ does Red Bull REALLY give you wings?!
north torrent
No.
tough sierra
Lol
north torrent
It gives you heart problems.
tough sierra
Could be metaphorical ๐
tough sierra
Ok so stock buybacks is an easy source of corruption oof.
tough sierra
I've seen school admins spend fuckloads on shit we didn't need, one for sure got caught pocketing money.
Then complain we didn't have enough for books.
I wish there was a better way to catch them.
A school building isn't supposed to be a business.
north torrent
My more moderate approach to fix things is to just simply enforce the laws we already have or already had before Reagan got rid of them.
proven thorn
Ain't going to get that with Trump
north torrent
Even if he didn't stand for everything corrupt about America, he is far too mentally inadequate to do anything about real problems.
tough sierra
I'm not sure we've ever had anyone in office that was really worthy of the job.
It's complex shit.
north torrent
I'm pretty sure every single one in my lifetime was at least competent at reading... until now.
This soup is really spicy.
tough sierra
Anyone know of articles or such that describe working with UE4 using DOD techniques?
Mostly just using it as a rendering engine maybe.
soft night
add PBR textures and you get UE5 right
north torrent
Potato Based Rendering
foggy kestrel
Someone said something about gta 5 being epics mystery game? What does that mean?
soft night
next gen consoles had to be step of the game
north torrent
Epic is giving out a Mystery Game sometime today.
median wraith
@foggy kestrel they give it for free today at the store
foggy kestrel
Is gta confirmed?
north torrent
It must be something bigger than usually, because they never usually make a big deal about it.
I haven't heard anything confirmed.
I personally would doubt it.
I think Rockstar is trying to promote their own launcher.
3 hours and we will find out though.
My money is on Borderlands 3.
gilded vigil
Epic is giving out a Mystery Game sometime today.
@north torrent in 3 hours
foggy kestrel
Im still a huge fan of the online mode and id love a second account but we will see i suppose
soft night
I added unity digital human from heretic short film to my packages for unity dev in tuesday as I was checking they stuff for free and yesterday they released blog post about it before epic games came to ue5
gilded vigil
soft night
Paragon assets could be huge improvements in UE5 for sure
foggy kestrel
Btw epic giving away so many games plus raising the royalty cap of unreal 4 and buying megascans to release them for free is insanely generous
north torrent
They actually like us.
soft night
using megascans on ue is great
gilded vigil
Btw epic giving away so many games plus raising the royalty cap of unreal 4 and buying megascans to release them for free is insanely generous
@foggy kestrel ikr
soft night
what is seen in ue5 tech demo
north torrent
Which is more than I can say for the people who play videogames... they all hate game developers with a passion.
gilded vigil
too bad importing megascans assets to ue4 takes a long time (probally just my pc but for me at least it takes a while)
north torrent
Which LOD are you importing?
soft night
mesh shaders is so great right now
north torrent
One of the secrets to successfully using Megascans in a project is to use QixMix to edit the assets to have a uniform art style and a color pallet that fits your level.
If you make a few small changes with QixMix you can make the asset look like your own.
mossy nexus
QixMix? You mean Mixer2020?
mossy nexus
Mixer is certainly powerful, but it has annoying things
tough sierra
Got fucking spammed hard by a ton of bots.
north torrent
It is a nice fast tool for taking Megascan assets and making them fit your project, even if it is just for sketching out what you want to do.
It isn't the kind of thing I would replace Substance with for the 'hero' assets in my scene, but if I just want a pile of firewood behind a shed, then QixMix is the way to go.
Every second I'm not spending on firewood, I can be designing better characters or making more story paths or adding my Niagara particles.
mossy nexus
Yeah, it's got a long way to go yet, but that's why it's only a Beta release. It's the orbit/rotation controls that bug me the most. They aren't independent of the meshes orientation, so if you import an object for UE4 use with z up... it messes with it. ๐
north torrent
I assume Game Design will always be filled with things like that though...
But maybe I'm just old...
mossy nexus
I mainly use it for creating custom textures, not mesh dependent textures though.
How old is old?
mossy nexus
When I first went to college, C was brand new and exciting. COBOL was still popular and the world was still black and white, colourisation came later lol
north torrent
I don't speak programmer.
mossy nexus
Photoshop didn't exist then
north torrent
Did paper exist?
mossy nexus
papyrus scrolls, with charcoal pencils
pearl elk
charcoal wouldnt last very long
north torrent
But it tastes good.
pearl elk
north torrent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4B3FHHt_k8
@mossy nexus
fathom wadi
When you pull the race card on a tech demo....
mossy nexus
really?
mossy nexus
Damn. Dark mode should be in everything imo
north torrent
It is, just behind a pay wall.
Or at least it was.
Haven't used Unity in over a year.
So maybe things have changed.
tough sierra
I could have probably gotten free money by bitching about it, but meh that's not moral.
fathom wadi
That person works in gamedev. You would presume they know a few things about global illumination. Or... look in the mirror and see how the light bounces off their own face. It's the same thing.
north torrent
Light is light.
fathom wadi
some people just want the attention
tough sierra
Light be bright, light make things pretty.
north torrent
Except for when it doesn't.
fathom wadi
I bet if they re-released the tech demo and made the character black, they would complain that Epic used blackface. You can't win
north torrent
That's always the catch.
If I as a white dude got rich off making games that were specifically about what it is like to be black, that would be pretty horrible and people would come after me for culture appropriation.
And if I voice acted the characters because I'm too poor to afford more that 4 voice actors for my project, then that would be 'digital blackface'.
fathom wadi
Im all for inclusion and all that.... but sometimes people just talk to hear their own voice and have minions clap excitedly because "that game dev I follow said something, quick lets agree!"
median wraith
should ship this as is
north torrent
I think helping more people of different backgrounds get into the industry and make their dreams is a great idea.
I don't want the game industry to just be a bunch of white dudes.
But I don't think there is anything wrong with having a bunch of white people in a videogame either. People should tell the stories they are trying to tell and not be pressured to change it.
ancient ingot
pmsl @ that tweet
north torrent
Twitter is hell.
ancient ingot
humanitys cesspit
fathom wadi
the games industry has always been diverse as it wanted to be. Ever since forever I have known it to be the first bastion of rights for anyone with the skills to do the job
ancient ingot
yup
fathom wadi
its getting the push over the past few years and its good.... but it's also see-through at times. People making their own name from shouting "inequality!" around
north torrent
Well, if you see the world through the eyes of a hammer everything looks like a nail.
If you see the world through the eyes of Twitter everything looks like outrage.
It really is amazing how much more unfair and polarized the world looks to Twitter users than the rest of us.
alpine fern
I don't use twitter for anything besides following tech people and news, so I rarely ever see any outrage
fathom wadi
@alpine fern this was from a narrative designer at Ubisoft... which was liked by someone I follow. So even though I only follow game devs and a few celebs I wanted to talk to, I still get the crap flowing through
alpine fern
sounds like you have one follow too many
north torrent
Well of course Ubisoft would talk shit about Epic. They are jealous.
fathom wadi
believe me I don't enjoy twitter but its useful to keep upto date
north torrent
I'm 8 years out of date.
fathom wadi
https://twitter.com/Hevedy/status/1260855758821957632?s=20 interesting read.
north torrent
That guy look familiar...
north torrent
You're a triangle.
gilded vigil
we are all triangles
fluid bloom
@median wraith you ruined the GI tech with your twitter post ๐
fathom wadi
Everyone keeps talking about normal maps being a thing of the past and I can't help but think.... no it's not. Just no.
north torrent
I can't see normal maps going away.
In a lot of cases with things like Substance it is easier to edit with normal maps than trying to sculpt something.
deep glen
I dont see them going away, but I do think their usecase might change
fathom wadi
unless we have a better system for face traversal to get normal data, it's always going to be required in some form
north torrent
There will certainly be a lot of changes to the workflow of artists. But it won't be eliminating anything completely.
fathom wadi
as the saying goes "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". Now I should apply this to some of the jokes I make.... but in game dev terms, you wouldn't use 30 billion polygons when you can imposter it, optimise it, cull it down to 30 million or even less etc.
north torrent
Gotta optimize so you can make every single item in the level destructible.
median wraith
@fluid bloom zanks
fathom wadi
imagine if they had fractured the entire scene where they had the 30 billion polys. It would have gone from 30fps to 3fps.
pearl elk
you only need enough polys for the amount of pixels on the screen
north torrent
4
fathom wadi
at the final render sure. But for calculative purposes in terms of physics etc... you need ALL the polys ๐
zinc matrix
fuck billions of polygons, I want to use n-gons everywhere
fathom wadi
yeah its been time since they were made.
imagine if we could use quads in a game engine too. Even that would be a huge leap
fathom wadi
saying that... Mesh Shaders are on the way and you could say that the underlying triangles are irrelevant at that point, and that the mesh shader will be the N-Gon of game dev
deep glen
ancient ingot
no
zinc matrix
JFU Mr.Mao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFUp4lFc1cA
fathom wadi
i hate when they call it the impossible triangle. Its right there. Its not impossible.
north torrent
You want to know what is impossible?
Making an Assassin's Creed game that doesn't feel like... well... an Assassin's Creed game...
north torrent
30,000,000 of them.
north torrent
Learn Zbrush...
median wraith
move to level design
fathom wadi
Learn Blender too
north torrent
People still design levels in 2020?
Doesn't seem like it from the games I've played...
median wraith
These games you played where made by people never made a level then
north torrent
Probably.
fathom wadi
let's face it. The quality of all games has always been in graphical updates. Why? Because gamers are aesthetically orientated first. Gameplay and design second.
@median wraith Blender had a better one, and a 2d tool, and a video sequencer, and more.
zinc matrix
still no GI illuminati
median wraith
no GI ? are you sure ?
zinc matrix
I can give you link to good twitter post debunking GI illuminati myths
fathom wadi
all the hype about the latest Epic free game, and its a 6 year old game I bought 3 copies of on 3 platforms already ๐ฆ
median wraith
How you feel now Marc ?
fathom wadi
with my hands. I just reach out and see what it is
soft night
GTA 6 took 6TB of storage from you
north torrent
And the world ends...
fathom wadi
the GTA online is where its at. But that costs you two things. Either A. Shark card money or B. Your entire life as its a job not a game.
north torrent
I think the last online game I played was Halo 3...
Actually no, I did play a few games of Civ 6 online, but that got old very fast.
fathom wadi
Destiny 2 for me. But I ran solo which is dull really
north torrent
I thought about doing Red Dead Online, but then figured I would rather finish my videogame than dedicate time to grinding for a better horse and hat...
fathom wadi
I got my internet upgrade yesterday so I got to download 4.25 and compile it. It took longer to compile than to download ๐
those pesky Unity devs... ๐
fathom wadi
as long as its still easy to start making a game with it, it will remain.
north torrent
Easy to start, hard to finish.
median wraith
are these even devs ?
fathom wadi
there is a bit of a scene coming up atm for old home computer coders. Spectrum, C64 etc.
@median wraith thats unfair. I wasn't insulting them, just pointing out they have delusions of grandure sometimes ๐
soft night
old demo in 16K ground truth is so awesome from unreal engine
check Nvidia GTC 2020 playlist to see awesome of Nvidia RTX
is it bad that i got hype from Nvidia RTX server than that ue5 demo
fathom wadi
yeah
get out
Im actually hyped for Epic Online Systems. Consider that its going cross-compatible, it's going to be more important than Steamworks as an online subsystem unless Steam does something to match it
soft night
well robots and AI is just close to my heart so its obvious
fathom wadi
naah im only joking ๐ get hyped from whatever you can. In this day and age, we need all the hype we can get
soft night
the ue5 is what was coming for awhile
pearl elk
So now I can just sit back and relax and wait for UE5 ๐
Finally, Make My Game Button will be real
fathom wadi
I must hire him for my team of slackers. I have several projects he could work on.
soft night
funny thing that all game engines are walking to that thing so from ue4 to ue5 it was logical step when real time raytracing came
soft night
raytraced unreal engine?
pearl elk
Valkyrie
fathom wadi
If they add a webpage with a filter for plugins and modules on the base engine, I would be more hyped about that
pearl elk
They might take this chance to do API breaking things
abstract haven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค
fathom wadi
well I should apply at Epic now then, as I can break the API on a regular basis
pearl elk
I doubt everyone at Epic has even tried UE5 lol
fathom wadi
Why would someone laugh at that? I was being serious ยฌ_ยฌ
I mean, he was asking in a UE4 group and all
plucky pagoda
Has anyone looked at the stuff that's accessible in EOS lately? Like the identity provider stuff?
gray vortex
gilded vigil
lol true
plucky pagoda
EOS has settings for setting up crossplay now.
fathom wadi
I wouldn't even read that trash. Games journalism is just opinionated arseholes who get paid for it
I mean... wheres my money !
fluid bloom
Tom Senior seems to not understand anything about the video ๐ค
soft night
seems like some who can talk similar about RTX as well when it came
plucky pagoda
I think a lot of people don't understand how much easier it's become to make the higher rez more realistic stuff and just how much a simplified workflow will mean.
fluid bloom
that headline must be really embarrassing for pc gamer ๐
plucky pagoda
Wow. EOS really has crossplay for every service you would care about.
fathom wadi
yeah Ive been hyped about that for months
rich quiver
yes
plucky pagoda
Everytime I log in there's something new
fathom wadi
So I installed Xboxb Game Pass, and it decided to put my games in locations I didn't want. So I went to move them or see where they were, and the folder won't let me in. The fucking thing had more permissions than my admin account. Now I am pissed
gilded vigil
So I installed Xboxb Game Pass, and it decided to put my games in locations I didn't want. So I went to move them or see where they were, and the folder won't let me in. The fucking thing had more permissions than my admin account. Now I am pissed
@fathom wadi you need trusted installer permissions
there's a way to get in by changing the permissions
fathom wadi
I need Windows to know Im the boss
soft night
there is always the default location what need to customize
fathom wadi
I can change the permissions, but its annoying
gilded vigil
I can change the permissions, but its annoying
@fathom wadi ikr
fathom wadi
there should be no apps ever installed that have more rights than my account.
actually when I get to the permissions, it wont let me change them.
that is ridiculous
gilded vigil
actually when I get to the permissions, it wont let me change them.
@fathom wadi i don't remember how, but i know that there IS a way to get in there
fathom wadi
yeah Ill brute force it in the reg
pearl elk
All my stuff is too low poly now lol
median wraith
@gray vortex seems valid point to me
plucky pagoda
Yeah, wow. If you haven't setup EOS access yet, it's time to do it.
fathom wadi
wow this is bullshit. I took ownership of the folder and all subobjects.
delicate lark
lol that pcgamer article wth did I just read
fathom wadi
plucky pagoda
Yeah, window permissions are a nightmare.
fathom wadi
Microsoft are shit
plucky pagoda
IF you don't have pro it's impossible to mange them
gilded vigil
pcgamer should really pay attention to what their journalists are saying
fathom wadi
Can be move Unreal Engine and all related apps to Vulkan so I can dump this horseshit operating system?
*we
pearl elk
https://puu.sh/FKl1S/2512ebb927.jpg Need to add a few more hundred million polys
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda I have pro. And I paid for it.
plucky pagoda
So in that case, it's only grueling, excruciating and nearly impossible to mange.
soft night
Twitter
fathom wadi
I think I will just cancel it. Nobody holds my PC to ransom, especially in games when you need to do stuff like edit configs
plucky pagoda
I know I moved them to another drive at one point but no idea how.
I mean, installed to not moved after.
That article is trash. " Beautiful uneven surfaces are lovely to look at, but imagine having to animate a character to navigate them realistically. "
We already have IK and responsive movement. They even showed an example of it in the demo.
fathom wadi
they didn't listen to the video them. It told you how
what a mickey mouse "journalist"
winter zealot
yeah I mean there are ton of awesome realistic games not using GI but that's still nice
pearl elk
Yeah but this is just from their perspective right, like the gamer all they see is a formula for a familiar style of game seen in Sony exclusives. As developers all we see is the tech and how we can use that for our own purposes
plucky pagoda
Animation is moving towards a combination of poses and procedural motions. More and more of it will be done on the fly.
fathom wadi
finally got into the folder. What a ballache that was
plucky pagoda
Adobe is doing something that hides files from explorer even with hidden files set to show.
fathom wadi
who are Adobe?
plucky pagoda
Their stupid adobe genuine service that Creative cloud uses
pearl elk
But Officer I thought CC meant it was creative commons ๐
plucky pagoda
I had to deep dive into it and hobble half of it to keep it from messing up stuff in windows. So far everything's working together again.
rich quiver
yesterday
pearl elk
UE5 wasnt announced, what you talkin bout
plucky pagoda
Um....
plucky pagoda
I think if I post another link to The UE5 post we'll reach max saturation
pearl elk
I wonder if even the spaghetti is 3d in UE5 ๐ฎ
pearl elk
I like how they make it sound as if game dev is easy as an asset flip
fathom wadi
I guess it is if you don't care about your craft and want to scam people.
pearl elk
Quixel does need some more type of rocks too, I hope theyre still out there scanning places
fathom wadi
Don't be fooled by the rocks that they got, they are still Quixel from the block.
pearl elk
I need my milkshake to bring all the boys to the yard
fluid bloom
you can even request quixel to do scans of stuff you want if you pay them
fathom wadi
you can do it yourself now with an Apple child slave machine
pearl elk
I wish I had some scanning gear, lasers are fun
fathom wadi
i wish I had soft body physics that was good.
pearl elk
all the physics
fluid bloom
I think quixel's gear is more sophisticated than a laser scanner
fathom wadi
niagara + chaos can probably do it fairly well tbh. I haven't had time to try some things tho
speaking of which. stuff to do. bbiab
fluid bloom
afaik they have some sort of rig that captures roughness too
a light right I guess
pearl elk
They need one mounted to a quadbike ๐
plucky pagoda
I sort of want to take it personally when right after buying a bunch of high fidelity large assets the launcher tells me bandwidth might be limited due to high demand.
wet stratus
What do you guys think it is?
gilded vigil
its gonna be gta v
wet stratus
bruh
rich quiver
gta
plucky pagoda
Idk, gta 5 rumor is a good shot it hits all the things on the list of what I'd expect
wet stratus
if i get gta v one more time, i wont be able to resist to replay it again
gilded vigil
i'd be disappointed if it was gta v
plucky pagoda
Did they already do Just Cause 5?
gilded vigil
tbh
rich quiver
the trailer was posted in there twitter before they delete it
gilded vigil
Did they already do Just Cause 5?
@plucky pagoda 5? dont u mean 4
they did the 4th game
plucky pagoda
Maybe, I have no idea
wet stratus
damn ive been missing out
gilded vigil
i played it and i hated it
wet stratus
these guys outh ere giving us AAA for free
yeah everythign after jc2 sucks
but hey they tried
rich quiver
very expensive game for free
plucky pagoda
It'll be something like that or an indie project that's way above the norm in quality.
rich quiver
epic spent alot for gta for free
gilded vigil
just have to wait 3 minutes
wet stratus
yeah idk what the business model behind that is
like what would rockstar or any other aaa studio get from giving the game for free?
rich quiver
inb4 10+ million for gta to be free on the store
plucky pagoda
A lot.
They likely get some revenue. They also get a lot of hype for an upcoming sequel and expand userbase to a new platform
wet stratus
bruh
userbase would already be there in like two weeks without it being free
and an upcoming sequel?
you sure?
plucky pagoda
It's been free on other platforms. Just not permanently.
rich quiver
they want revenue before the real revenue is 2k we are talking about
gilded vigil
1 minute...
devout atlas
guys is anyone getting swarmed by friend invites?
wet stratus
why is no one talking about this though?
rich quiver
they have to the marketing
devout atlas
got like 230 pending wtf
rich quiver
epic doesnt give company free marketing the company have to the marketing
solid aurora
store just exploded
deep glen
https://twitter.com/Luos_83/status/1260947823631179776 share the love!
wet stratus
lol
solid aurora
guess that's why it was mystery game ๐
pearl elk
My Launcher started speaking Chinese then died
wet stratus
no one getting it
plucky pagoda
I just bought a ton of models I'm trying to import. Time to go take a vacation I guess.
rich quiver
second time this weak epic crash ๐
wet stratus
its fortnite ๐
wet stratus
im holding on
pearl elk
I suppose its a good thing Im on a Substance and Max night ๐
ancient hornet
so it WAS GTA V, and next week game is also a mystery one
gilded vigil
so it WAS GTA V, and next week game is also a mystery one
@ancient hornet gtx vi
wet stratus
lol
rich quiver
witcher 3
wet stratus
bro i hope they give us gta sa
solid aurora
I don't see any free game
ancient hornet
I want to see HalfLife 2 ๐
solid aurora
just next mystery ๐
rich quiver
witcher 3 is next weak
pearl elk
Free game is Unreal ๐
rich quiver
solid aurora
now I see
thin storm
half life 3 is the free game
rich quiver
unreal gold
thin storm
lol
gilded vigil
epic games servers just died lol
ancient hornet
wet stratus
BLIQTTTT
gilded vigil
free game next week is gonna be half life 3
plucky pagoda
It died so hard it forgot english
wet stratus
lol
gilded vigil
for me it was in english while it was meant to be in portuguese
plucky pagoda
lol
pearl elk
Thats what mine did, 500 in every different language
solid aurora
and you can only exit app, because well web page with no buttons xD
pearl elk
This reminds me of the old Steam sales
ancient hornet
rich quiver
steam sales still crashes steam
ancient hornet
working fine ๐ฅ
pearl elk
Arnt they meant to have fancy elastic interweebs
ancient hornet
well they do but what happens when you let go of the wrong end of the elastic first? it hits you in the face!
pearl elk
Amazon is like nope Epic you still owe us 0.15c for that last server you rented
ancient hornet
also, Discord is a little slow here ๐
plucky pagoda
Turning off the game library at least got the sidebar to load
rich quiver
since yesterday @ancient hornet
plucky pagoda
Epic probably just forced half the backbone servers and routers in the world to reboot.
pearl elk
routed rooters
ancient hornet
looks portuguese
wet stratus
dude this reminds me on what happens to a walmart on a black friday
ancient hornet
or spanish
plucky pagoda
My assets are downloading again and the speeds not too bad now.
gilded vigil
at least the launcher got the language right for me this time
pearl elk
foggy kestrel
yup they crashed it lmao
plucky pagoda
I've still got just a sidebar and a 404 but assets are getting 14MB/s which isn't too bad.
pearl elk
Its a language game, Epic are just promoting diversity in the workplace
plucky pagoda
They just make it pick a random language from a local file. Add some Klingon and Lord of the Rings stuff in there.
wet stratus
uuuh
pearl elk
I see Epic doesnt know Kung Fu yet
thin storm
free game or riot
pearl elk
How to get to free game
gilded vigil
thats why the game shouldn't be gta
plucky pagoda
Grab lunch, it'll be fine in a bit.
All the added traffic and users from everything they're doing at once will pay off for everyone.
ancient hornet
patch day no play
thin storm
hope its not gta. I already have that, like probably everyone else.
ancient hornet
it is gta V
gilded vigil
hope its not gta. I already have that, like probably everyone else.
@thin storm it is
the premium edition
well, epic games launcher will take longer to load than a full engine build
ancient hornet
Unreal Engine section still works at least ๐
pearl elk
So the mystery game was to steal all our games? ๐
gilded vigil
i cant even open the launcher
plucky pagoda
Disabling the game library got it working for me.
ancient hornet
zinc matrix
@pearl elk U R from Poland?
ancient hornet
I'm in France and got Russian, I know someone one France that got Chinese ๐
mossy nexus
it appears to be random.. had them all so far ๐
stiff crystal
all the UE devs enjoy now that EGS is part of the same launcher
we've kept telling it's stupid
but I don't think they'll ever decouple unreal from the game launcher
ancient hornet
the engine part works for me
you can turn off the "games" part if you want too I guess
alpine fern
once you click the games tab, you can't get back
ancient hornet
right click the launcher icon => Unreal Engine
I'm not letting a piece of software get the better of me!
deep glen
@wet stratus i kindly suggest you to change your name.
soft night
its Alan Wake game 10years
stiff crystal
@ancient hornet you mean if you turn off the games tab, it somehow fixes the issue that it can't even log people in? ๐
ancient hornet
I haven't had that issue I must say ๐
stiff crystal
either way, it's not going to help anyone as it doesn't even load the page where you can set it
ancient hornet
well you don't need to log in for most editor operations
ancient hornet
I quit/restart the launcher during the problems
stiff crystal
they should have kept ue launcher separate
ancient hornet
and I had no issue getting reconnected
stiff crystal
I just really dislike that they coupled dev accounts with game accounts
ancient hornet
well Steam does the same ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
stiff crystal
in past devs had their accounts locked because people tried to hack the accounts in hopes of fortnite access
well, I'd agree on that if they actually marketed source engine and sold content for it there ๐
plucky pagoda
2 factor fixes that
ancient hornet
Steamworks admin/SDK access works through Steam accounts
stiff crystal
better wait fo few hours really
or till tomorrow
@ancient hornet not through same launcher :p
ancient hornet
same auth servers anyway
stiff crystal
but yeah, the same accounts work
ancient hornet
if they are down, launcher or not you can't access the features
soft night
https://thisgengaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Alan-Wake-728x409.jpg this game 10 years now
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix I have 3 copies already
stiff crystal
you can access your steam library just fine even if the store is down
this is totally related to EGS now
zinc matrix
rip epic games servers
wet stratus
@deep glen Didn't see it, sorry.
deep glen
might want to change your name to something you like, just keep it nice :)
wet stratus
It's kinda racist to say that the previous one isn't nice though.
north torrent
I guess I was wrong, it actually was Grand Theft Auto... Rockstar surprises me again.
plucky pagoda
That has to be one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen.
pearl elk
no way Rockstar will make any money off mtx
sharp turtle
@wet stratus don't push it
north torrent
I have no idea what Rockstar is going for with this...
pearl elk
They are going for the milk your current games so you dont have to make more angle
mossy nexus
In game purchases
north torrent
Oh, the Valve approach.
pearl elk
yeah or Bethesda
wet stratus
Uhhh
pearl elk
my favourite Bethesda game is Future Shock, they all sucked after that hehe
ancient hornet
wet stratus
lol
north torrent
They discovered Red Dead Redemption 2...
If I am not mistaken that was the largest budget game to ever be made.
Other than that Star Citizen scam.
pearl elk
Only large budget cuz of the music licenses ๐
north torrent
Not the 1,000 person team?
pearl elk
I wonder if that includes the cleaners and the translators accountant
zinc matrix
yo whats wrong with the foliage tool?
north torrent
Well, the credits are usually bloated with non game-dev staff, but mostly corporate money grabbers, not cleaning staff.
zinc matrix
it doesn't draw on if it's a big brush size
pearl elk
Thanks Strauss Zelnick for all your help, for the support and making this game available to all
zinc matrix
and sometimes it draws underground
north torrent
What happens if it isn't at the largest size?
pearl elk
theres no such thing as small
zinc matrix
if it's bigger then like 50 then it doesn't draw any foliage on
north torrent
That's what she said.
zinc matrix
and sometimes puts foliage underground
pearl elk
Did you ever hear someone pitch a game with a small world thats not open, well there, see what I mean ๐
Bigger = Better
north torrent
My game is all about using the limited size to its advantage...
But I don't have to pitch it to anyone or care if people hate it or me.
pearl elk
You always gotta pitch it to get people onboard ๐
north torrent
I got on board without pitching it.
Who else do I need? Doorstep Mฤo?
Doorstep Mฤo ran away. I saw her the other day and went upstairs to get her a bratwurst. Then I went back downstairs and she was gone...
So then I was just a weird guy standing downstairs with a bratwurst in my hand and no hungry cat...
I ran out of tuna.
north torrent
Yes.
north torrent
La Mฤo
zinc matrix
guys
my problem is
i have very not many things to add to my game
BUT
ive already made them once and lost, and theyre most boring ever (to make)
butt when i finishthem... then i can finally release gaemya...
butbut
north torrent
You have two choices.
a) make game
b) don't make game
pearl elk
c) make 5 games
zinc matrix
ok
north torrent
d) drink beer and cry
gilded vigil
e)make incomplete game that everyone will hate (cough cough fallout 76)
zinc matrix
bruh
fallout 76 is much better and morecomplete than my game but i will release
anyway
because i believe theres audience for my game
north torrent
Is it an MMO where everyone is a cat?
north torrent
Space Cats!
gilded vigil
gilded vigil
yes
gilded vigil
still better than fallout 76
zinc matrix
You need more race diversity. Currently it very racist.
soft night
Allan Wake is coming to Xbox Game Pass and Game Pass ultimate
zinc matrix
i will add black color for premum players
see, first mistake, afro-american color, not black
fathom wadi
Xbox Game Pass, or as I call it now... that shit that owns my computer
north torrent
Unity Dark Theme...
soft night
fathom wadi
anyone good with UV unwrapping complex models with Blender? Im having a nightmare with a piece of work and its not my forte. Spent hours on it now and can't get a decent layout that re-uses space
north torrent
I'm still adjusting to UVs in Blender.
Doesn't everyone already have Alan Wake from when Epic gave it away for free?
zinc matrix
Any recommendations for a VR-centric (Oculus) UE 4.25 tutorial series? I've got the gist of working in Unity, but I'm a complete just-downloaded Unreal Engine beginner.
VR MMO !
fathom wadi
Theres not much to know. There is a documentation page that covers the setup perfectly. The rest is just the same. Avoid screenspace when you can, use forward rendering/MSAA etc
rain steppe
What is wrong with UVs? This is a good uv coverage.
fathom wadi
thats not a good UV coverage at all. Look how much repetition is involved. Considering its an array modified mesh (duplicated), it should share UV space for re-use across duplicated objects.
also I would need an 8k texture to get any detail
I figured it out with a little help anyway. But I still hate UV work.
it still sucks
fluid bloom
do you need to use non-tiling textures?
zinc matrix
@north torrent but if you finish game then you can make money and not work full time job
fathom wadi
nope I shouldn't think so
zinc matrix
if its good
signal citrus
is weird how good auto uving has got
fathom wadi
yeah I've relied on it for years. I avoid UV work like the plague
signal citrus
idk about blender i mean
yeah uving is something i've always liked to do for some weird reason
fathom wadi
this is better than 3dsmax's version if you ask me but what do I know... I avoid it :p
fathom wadi
set margins, press button. win or lose.
I hate seeing duplicated objects taking up too much space tho. Some of those pieces will use the same material/colours/paints etc
this is the ref image
carmine frigate
you can also just offset and overlap stuff
fluid bloom
you could just model one piece of that, unwrap it and then duplicate it
fathom wadi
I did. Thats how I got it down to the second image
I guess I need to go back to the start and do it per beam etc
The funny thing is, the model only took a few hours. The UV work has taken 3 times as long
fathom wadi
yeah Im not a modeller usually. Only picked it up around 3 months ago. Before then I had made a total of 3 models
carmine frigate
mirror and array?
fathom wadi
the planning is where I probably fail the most in this case. I can see now that I should have been on the UV's from the start
yeah thats what I used
median wraith
@fathom wadi the end is a kind of door or whats that ?
fathom wadi
yeah sliding doors
median wraith
nice
north torrent
I was a 3d modeler once... a long time ago...
I'm thinking about getting back into it more. Not sure.
fathom wadi
I enjoy doing the modelling part. In blender is a joy. But then you try make it game ready and you have to jump through hoops
north torrent
I kind of enjoyed the technical side back in the day, but I am out of date on most of this stuff.
carmine frigate
a corridoor like that is game rdy pretty fast ๐
fathom wadi
geometry wise its fine. with all pieces its under 5k poly. But until im happy with this UV, its not game ready
carmine frigate
unwrap and hit the array modifier again ๐
north torrent
But I think your problem comes from not thinking ahead. Would have worked better to unwrap as you go before you started copying pieces over and using symmetry.
fathom wadi
I did. That duplicated the UV for the array modified pieces. I have to go further back in the design though as I array modified the vertical beams too and they could save space if I did the same thing with those. But I applied that many version ago ๐
north torrent
Thus is life.
fathom wadi
yeah c'est la vie
carmine frigate
grab pieces from what u have now and modifier em ๐
fathom wadi
yeah i'm on it. Nothing started gets finished without the grind I guess
erm
that didnt make sense
north torrent
Sounds like something Boe Jiden would say.
fathom wadi
now it does
mild root
I want to make levels similar to half-life 1
north torrent
I'm trying to decide what time to wake up in the morning.
fathom wadi
well.. I shall prevail because thats what dev work is right?
carmine frigate
thats looking pretty good
median wraith
Reminds me of Cube 2 engine
fathom wadi
@carmine frigate upside of it is, I kept collections of each piece before I started combining them. So I have the pieces all separate anyway. Just got to redo the work. Lesson learned
north torrent
That's how we learn.
fathom wadi
Yeah. If it was coding, I would be happy about it. But in this case, my own years of ignorance towards UV work has lead me down the path of self-loathing
aaaaand imposter syndrome hits me again
placid thistle
@mild root try Trenchbroom 2020
btw, yesterday it was "wow, look at UE5 amazingness"... Today, PCGamer: "UE5 demo shows nothing that will move games forward"...
signal citrus
was the essence: graphics don't matter, look at how good wii was?
ancient hornet
except what it showed was basically the promise it'll be easier to make those kind of games
north torrent
Tools for artists to do what artists do.
fathom wadi
@signal citrus they talked about how hard it would be to manually animate characters realistically with such high levels of geometry. Without hearing the section of the video that stated exactly what improvements were made to animation to handle it. Of all the stuff in that video, the animation impressed me the most.
signal citrus
they must be unity users
north torrent
Ubisoft investors.
fathom wadi
or games journalists. useless people at best
raw phoenix
It's funny how there are Unity users who now switched to UE, due to the announcement. lol
fathom wadi
If they aren't being paid to hype a game, they are flat out not doing their job
signal citrus
ubisoft probably uses unreal somewhere right?
north torrent
Are game journalists horrible because game players are horrible?
Or are game players horrible because game journalists are horrible?
fathom wadi
@signal citrus from what I understand yes
signal citrus
i still kind of am confused to hell how respawn gets to use ue4 but everyone else in ea family is stuck with frostbite
north torrent
Doesn't mean they don't want to shit on the competition.
fathom wadi
I know ubisoft devs who know unreal also so its a presumption really
carmine frigate
@fathom wadi did u try that multires bake?
fathom wadi
not yet
north torrent
You have to ride the wave of being successful without being too successful, Mr. Soulless Pat.
carmine frigate
its really fast
fathom wadi
Don't respawn use Source? I mean, Apex Legends is source right?
tough sierra
I've asked a couple times already but anyone know if there's work related to using the engine with DOD techniques? I have a few ideas for how to get that done.
fathom wadi
DOD?
signal citrus
north torrent
Bioware always used Unreal, but then EA forced them over to Frostbite that was very ill equipped for the kind of game they were making.
tough sierra
Data oriented design.
fathom wadi
well thats a broad scope. What kind of data?
tough sierra
All the data ๐
Most times game devs use ECS for this.
Or at least all the data which matters.
mild root
@placid thistle thanks, technically for me blender is enough, I want to practice more hl1 level layout concepts
fathom wadi
Hardcore Oldschool Low Poly map-pack. That is all.
https://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=3191 convert to UE4 :p
placid thistle
@mild root Blender doesn't really allow for HL1-like mapping..
@mild root Blender doesn't really allow for HL1-like mapping..
tough sierra
I know UE4 doesn't have any ECS engine under the hood, so i'm considering if it's possible to store and hand manage a flat array of game objects, or if i need to make my own UObject somehow... Or what. Maybe find a way to use UE4 as more a rendering API and handle all the work myself using hisms under the hood and using setTransforms.
mild root
@placid thistle level design concepts
fathom wadi
isn't there an ECS in the Epic version of UE4?
tough sierra
In the what?
fathom wadi
their custom version. That they would use for Fortnite
tough sierra
Hmmmmm~
fathom wadi
I heard someone saying they used an ECS for it. I dunno. Rumours
tough sierra
The talk i've seen didn't make it look that way but am now curious.
Someone did use an ECS engine of their own, wrote an article about it to.
The only one I found.
He even talked in discord here a while ago.
Basically used ue4 to just draw the meshes at the transforms he gave.
I "guess" using an ISM with the setTransforms method.
Not clear on the details actually.
But am asking incase anyone knows of other sources and leads.
rain steppe
I am bored
fathom wadi
slide yourself between two buns
tough sierra
Meow