really
#lounge
soft night
north torrent
I personally just try to make my game world not look so realistic so it isn't such a glaring disconnect.
My goal is to make high quality, super detailed environments that are still clearly stylized and unrealistic.
Not like low poly hand painted stuff though, not my skillset.
zinc matrix
rally3
rotund tundra
stylized is often the better choice, if you can't truly commit to realistic and pull it off well
north torrent
I can. It just isn't my goal.
zinc matrix
mao chan have you sold your game yet
north torrent
What did I say about speaking to me without capitalizing my name?
zinc matrix
Mao Chan*
north torrent
Damn, that girl has really big eyes...
gilded vigil
Mรฃo Has Bread what is wrong with calling you without capitalization?
north torrent
My game won't be finished for at least 9 months.
zinc matrix
muhahahahamuhaha
rotund tundra
..it's not a name, it's a handle..
zinc matrix
Mao Chan's game is not ready
north torrent
In the English language, names are meant to be capitalized. It is a form of respect for other people.
gilded vigil
In the English language, names are meant to be capitalized. It is a form of respect for other people.
@north torrent i know
zinc matrix
its not ready for society
gilded vigil
but like
rain steppe
Can you link your game to check out?
north torrent
I have a timeline for when I complete each part of my game, set goals and set deadlines for everything, Karol.
zinc matrix
why do you keep calling me Karol
north torrent
Because that is your name.
zinc matrix
No
infinite polygons
hmmm
how much is infinite
ps5
in blender when u reach the infinity number u get a crashhh
cause its free software
kek
ue4 free too
ue4 gets money
rotund tundra
unlimited polygons, unlimited textures, no need for optimizations or worrying about memory
zinc matrix
i wonder how many ue4 indie devs make money
gilded vigil
unlimited polygons, unlimited textures, no need for optimizations or worrying about memory
@rotund tundra seems legit to me
zinc matrix
maybe less than 1%
north torrent
Am I the only one who found it a bit unsettling when the girl in the demo faced the camera and her eyes were huge?
I don't know if that is the best artistic choice when you are trying to show off such a realistic environment. But maybe that's just me.
rotund tundra
those were actual words used
gilded vigil
Am I the only one who found it a bit unsettling when the girl in the demo faced the camera and her eyes were huge?
I don't know if that is the best artistic choice when you are trying to show off such a realistic environment. But maybe that's just me.
@north torrent yeah, it felt super awkward that stylised girl in a realistic looking scene
heady marsh
I think the focus was the environment for sure. The character wasn't anything beyond what can currently be done
zinc matrix
anime gurls best
heady marsh
It's a Pixar style. Realistic environments, stylized characters.
but yeah, definitely kinda weird
rotund tundra
@gilded vigil it's not just you, i thought she was out of place.. along with some of the very impressive vfx
heady marsh
it's a tech demo, don't take too much stock in it
it was very cool, can't wait to see more
zinc matrix
@ancient hornet hey, thanks for the link
rotund tundra
"pixar style" .. let's photoscan something becasue it's easier, and let's stylize some chars because it's easier
heady marsh
but I'm not going to think that's what a full finished game will look like year 1. It'll probably take a few years to do what is in this demo to the same quality. Maybe I'm wrong.
ancient hornet
hmm, which one?
north torrent
In the end it is only a tool, so the final look of the games being made will be relying on thousands of other factors to get the look that particular team desires.
solid aurora
i want star citizen in ue5
rotund tundra
when CG industry was jumping ship to ue4 becasue it was real-time .. yeah you didn't have waste time for render, but you had to waste a lot of time to get stuff ready for real time still
this seems more like proper real-time workflows that people were expecting
just take the model from zbrush and go
zinc matrix
yes
solid aurora
well
zinc matrix
thats why ive chosen Unity
solid aurora
the only thing left
zinc matrix
its smaller of a tool than ue4
solid aurora
are characters
zinc matrix
so more suitable for single person
solid aurora
you can hardly skin/animate 1000000000 poly character
but
i read somewhere on udn
they had something in the work for charactrers as well
north torrent
I am interested to see how much optimization still matters in practice.
I would still think that having millions of redundant polygons would not be beneficial to a game.
rotund tundra
i'm sure they do, they aquired and partnered with some of the top people that are pushing the field
solid aurora
it's going to be more about disk space optimization
as the meshes are streamed
not entire meshes
just the parts you can see in frustrum
the mesh can have 2gb
zinc matrix
YES
solid aurora
but only few mb might be loaded at time
north torrent
In the end I don't see it changing my Zbrush workflow too much, but who really knows at this point.
raw rose
WOO!
raw rose
I think we're still going to optimize for the sake of file sizes
rotund tundra
^^ .. and mobile
north torrent
I'm wondering what this means for terrain.
solid aurora
yes, unless there is some super secret and efficient compression scheme
im wonder if we are going to get planetary terrain
they push into this direction for some time
north torrent
The guy from Quadspinner Gaea made a bit of a mysterious comment about it.
raw rose
AI navigation would need an overhaul though
rotund tundra
i can see it changing my zbrush workflow in a profound way
rotund tundra
i couldn't be bothered to work on high poly then work down ..
so i didn't do zbrush .. now i might just make everything there
solid aurora
@north torrent what comment ?
north torrent
There is a lot I want to say - but I can't say YET. ;) But I completely agree - the future is bright!
That's from the creator.
solid aurora
ahh i would say open worlds
north torrent
In response to Unreal 5.
north torrent
Whoa whoa, guys, don't read too much into this. I just can't talk about the stuff we're doing for Gaea 2. I'll explain more later when I can.
gilded vigil
in year 3000 UE90 published still less users than Unity
@zinc matrix lol
north torrent
I've been saying for a while that Gaea seemed like a prime target for Epic Games to buy, after Megascans.
But that is pure speculation and probably me reading too much into what he said.
solid aurora
btw
gilded vigil
what is gaea?
solid aurora
indie surivival games
north torrent
But Dax Pandhi has never really been quiet about future Gaea releases until now.
north torrent
Quadspinner Gaea, the terrain tool.
gilded vigil
oh ok
north torrent
There are VFX friendly things we have planned in Gaea that will now be game friendly too.```whats gaeaeaeae
north torrent
Quadspinner Gaea, the terrain tool.
zinc matrix
crazy
mossy nexus
same thing as Google. Something you don't use.. ๐
gilded vigil
whats their official website
north torrent
gilded vigil
ok
mossy nexus
Mฤo, what kind of bread do you has?
north torrent
Actually, I ate it all...
mossy nexus
The bread is a lie?!
gilded vigil
then Mรฃo doesn't have bread
mossy nexus
For shame!
gilded vigil
i feel scammed
north torrent
Updated.
gilded vigil
lol
north torrent
I wonder if all the Steam fanboys are going to be hating on the new Unreal demo?
I don't think I want to check the YouTube comments...
YouTube comments are hell.
solid aurora
yeap
rich quiver
source 2 is also close to release
solid aurora
just checked /r/pcgaming
gilded vigil
I wonder if all the Steam fanboys are going to be hating on the new Unreal demo?
@north torrent why steam fanboys?
rich quiver
that all
solid aurora
shithole as always
north torrent
They still hate Epic for having exclusive games on their game store.
gilded vigil
They still hate Epic for having exclusive games on their game store.
@north torrent oh ok
north torrent
Gotta be loyal to their corporate overlord Steam.
Gotta keep paying Valve that 30%.
gilded vigil
how much is the egs fee?
ancient hornet
hey some of the posts are actually positive in upvotes ๐ฎ
gilded vigil
in percentage
ancient hornet
12%
solid aurora
12%
gilded vigil
real time generated memes will be the biggest leap in technology ever
fathom wadi
8% if you do a little dance at the Epic office first
north torrent
Memes are hell...
rich quiver
high traffic
fathom wadi
wait what the actual flip? Unreal 5?
rich quiver
north torrent
Was waiting to see how long it took you to notice, Mr. Rogerson.
fathom wadi
now I just woke up, give me a moment ๐
north torrent
It's like Unreal 4, but with real time global illumination and an infinite number of polygons.
fathom wadi
also where do I get on board with the pre-release
north torrent
fathom wadi
meh UE4 has infinite polygons pretty much. Not infinite but more than you can eat
north torrent
Still going to have Niagara and Chaos physics.
gilded vigil
is the global illumination of ue5 ray traced?
fathom wadi
probably. No reason for it not to be when it can be cheaper than raster equivalents
north torrent
I'm sure they have some fancy answer that goes way above my head.
rich quiver
no is normal GI
north torrent
As long as it just works, I'm down.
rich quiver
north torrent
They haven't released any information on the specifics to the best of my knowledge. But I am still looking.
gilded vigil
if it's raster, i think it's impressive for what it can do
but i'm no expert in graphics
zinc matrix
guys can electicity + human fart = make big boom?
@ancient hornet the twitch one
hmm it depends if he drank alcohol i think
gilded vigil
guys can electicity + human fart = make big boom?
@zinc matrix random but ok
gilded vigil
how
fathom wadi
cant even login to the Epic website to read more about it. It sent my 2fa and then said it was wrong. Then wont let me log in now. How about Epic website 5 instead?
gilded vigil
epic website: the sequel
north torrent
But I don't see the jump from 4.29 (or whatever UE4 reaches) to UE5 being huge in regards to most of the features. Seems like they will be using UE4 to keep developing on stuff like Chaos to get it ready for UE5.
fathom wadi
less bloat though
north torrent
That's the idea I think.
fathom wadi
get rid of all the hokey pokey systems still hanging around. Maybe get rid of all the Apple Corp Child Slavery stuff that you have to have installed
north torrent
But when it comes to making particles in Niagara, I expect it to be 99% the same.
median wraith
@rich quiver worst image in wikipedia to describe gi
north torrent
Oh, here is Mr. Hevedy on gloabal illumination.
I was waiting to see what he had to say about Unreal 5.
hasty cargo
BUT WHAT AA METHOD???
median wraith
No Thing
hasty cargo
the real questions
gilded vigil
let's interview Hevedy
fathom wadi
I just need to know where the pre-release people go. Im not waiting until it comes out and being left behind. It would feel like a waste to me
gilded vigil
so Hevedy, what do you think of the new GI on Unreal Engine 5?
median wraith
@hasty cargo TAA check the complete video with water, have fun with the ghosting
median wraith
The only I will say about the realtime GI, I will believe it when I can use it on final version
UE4 had it and was removed post beta
gilded vigil
@median wraith and what's your opinion on infinite poly count?
median wraith
@hasty cargo far aways seems to go non GI at all
goes planar will bet
and there is something strange in the video
gilded vigil
and there is something strange in the video
@median wraith what?
median wraith
the whole cave remains the same color when they move the light
and there is an area that get occlusion
hasty cargo
I could see it doing some amorized recalculation when they adjusted the light position
like LPV does
seems legit
median wraith
and yeah
now double check the video
@worldly ferry the sun GI isn't actually a sun but a spotlight
check the background illumination cause don't move
they faked the cave with 2 lights
hasty cargo
ooo so you're saying it won't exactly be "global" ๐
ancient ingot
๐ฑ
median wraith
gilded vigil
i actually did not notice it
gilded vigil
omg thats true
fathom wadi
There isn't much in that demo you can't do already with a good artist and lighting person. But consider the optimal scenarios, the performance gains of a new system, its a parity with next gen we obviously need
gilded vigil
what a scam
hasty cargo
shit
hasty cargo
hevedy brings the house down again
to be fair that could have been an artistic choice rather than a technical limitation
gilded vigil
yeah, but let's be honest, next gen wont just stop the need to fake stuff
fathom wadi
^^
north torrent
Wait... you put eggs in pudding?
north torrent
My whole life is a lie...
rich quiver
xbox first party showcase we most likely see more ue5 games for xbox series x
or tomorrow ubisoft show
gilded vigil
cuz tbh next gen is mostly ray tracing and some other stuff, won't just eliminate the reason to fake lighting
fathom wadi
well what a day, I go from 18mb/0.7mb internet to 57mb/18mb and Unreal 5 announced on the same day. I'm gonna have a celebratory walk around the garden in honour ยฌ_ยฌ
mild root
Lumen is a fully dynamic global illumination solution that immediately reacts to scene and light changes. The system renders diffuse interreflection with infinite bounces
infinite bounces
infinite bounces in finite frametime, seems legit
hasty cargo
so billion polygon scenes is amazing, simply just dropping a hires mesh in and go, GI looks good, TAA sadly, and I assume it will be screen space reflections
I wonder for forward rendering and MSAA support
even being able to have pure SSAA but not breaking SSAO and SSR would be nice
gilded vigil
but i think it will be a good combination to use that GI with rt reflections, it will stil look good
fathom wadi
@mild root you can do infinite bounces right now. It's not beyond the realm of believability. Its just that it shits after 3 or 4 bounces
rain steppe
What's the difference between real time ray tracing and GI?
fathom wadi
ray tracing is a method of GI.
mild root
GI can be done with different techniques
fathom wadi
or the other way around
gilded vigil
and also of reflections and stuff
mild root
raytracing can be without gi
rain steppe
Does GI contain reflections?
fathom wadi
no
gilded vigil
no
zinc matrix
When UE5 comes out, it means the end for UE4?
fathom wadi
no zero
rain steppe
That's bad, correct?
gilded vigil
@rain steppe not necessarily
median wraith
If you ask me there are dark areas occluders too at the scene cause makes no sense
fathom wadi
Burger: RTX is a combination of different methods. GI, Reflections, AO, etc
rain steppe
Right now I see a lot of crap reflections in games, in RDR2 for example.
north torrent
Why is everyone orange-yellow today?
fathom wadi
Trump trying to make us all racists
mild root
in physics of light, gi is reflection, everything is reflection except emissive surfaces and refractions
north torrent
Or is it yellow-orange... yea... it should be yellow-orange... Epic color fail on my part.
hasty cargo
if they can render triangles so well and reduce draw calls and blahblah, maybe planar reflections can function much better?
fathom wadi
I dont think you even need raytraced reflections tbh. Just need to get better optimal methods for real-time render textures. Not sure why having more than one camera is such a frame killer these days
mild root
but really, this UE5 video and article sound very unbelievable. billion of polygons? how do you render it on ps5? with 60fps?
fathom wadi
billions of polygons isnt an issue
billions of polygons with shaders on, thats where it dies
mild root
yeah
rain steppe
Textures > polycount
zinc matrix
you don't render billions of triangles, you occlude billions to not waste power with hidden triangles
fathom wadi
I hope they made more parity between Blender and UE5. Its the perfect time to drop the mic on that one
imagine being able to path trace with Cycles and move it over to UE with all materials etc. I would shit a brick with a billion polygons
north torrent
Well, I'm just going to go back to finishing my game in Unreal 4 so I can make my next project a year from now in Unreal 5.
zinc matrix
the poly count is probably lower at certain distance, because you don't need to render billions if they are so small that they are the size of a pixel
north torrent
But for now I'll keep optimizing my Zbrush models.
fathom wadi
did you know Blender has a nice sculpting tool? ๐
ancient hornet
they said the engine adapts the polycount so that there's like "one triangle per pixel"
fathom wadi
no its blender I just told you that
north torrent
But Blender is good at being Blender.
ancient hornet
it's totally adaptative/automated lods basically
zinc matrix
is blender the only option for free?
ancient hornet
just like Virtual Textures, it kinda allows you to not worry too much about asset sizes and the engine will just downscale as needed without wasting resources (mostly)
gilded vigil
the thing is, blender is good at being multiple kinds of tools in one, but it's not the best nor it's even CLOSE to being one on an individual tool basis
zinc matrix
having to downscale models by hand just for the sake of lod takes a lot of time
zinc matrix
normap map takes too much time to generate?
hasty cargo
just the process
like complex hard surface stuff
vehicles etc
takes a lot of work
fathom wadi
Just have to point out folks... Epic also just dropped all royalties upto $1m and released the Epic Online Services. Don't be distracted by the aesthetics when you just got paid
north torrent
Gotta finish your game before you get paid.
fathom wadi
well with 5% more cash to do it with....
Ive been waiting for the EOS for ages too.
yeah
gilded vigil
yes
north torrent
I can retire on that.
north torrent
I wonder what happens to all our marketplace assets when they switch to UE5...
dense atlas
delete all normal maps
rain steppe
Reflections in RDR2 are garbage especially when you're close to houses with glass windows
gilded vigil
I wonder what happens to all our marketplace assets when they switch to UE5...
@north torrent pretty sure epic will make something to make the transition of these assets to ue5 easier
fathom wadi
to be fair, most reflections are crap without RTX. It's always been either a performance hit or a quick fix
solid aurora
that making indie games with ue5 will be even easier..
no lods
no need for 3d artist
just mega scans
and if you miss something
go outside scan something
and throw it into engine
dense atlas
The no lods thing is just like WTF? Still trying to process this all.
hasty cargo
can't make an ar-15 out of megascans tho
zinc matrix
wait a minute. From my understanding, you make a model of 10 million polys, then cut down to 500k. Then you take the 10 miilion and bake the normal map over the surface of the lower 500k model?
north torrent
That is one of the most short sighted things I have ever heard anyone say, Mr. Inside.
fathom wadi
The Division 2 has some reflections that are terrible. I caught one that was mapped in reverse also.
hasty cargo
gotta use the kite demo scans since they faded into obscurity since megascans came out, thats the shot
north torrent
I think a lot of people don't quite understand what Quixel Mixer is or how to properly use it...
dense atlas
I'm finding it hard to believe streaming tech is that ๐ฆพ
zinc matrix
that's what they said. In Ue5 you use the high poly model. But what about lower end hardware? The engine generates the lower poly version on the fly?
solid aurora
@fringe sundial would probabaly say something more about it (;
hasty cargo
its not hard to use quixel mixer because there is bareley any controls over the final result ๐
solid aurora
but yes
streaming from Nvme
is crazy fast
you can load entires levels in matter of seconds
dense atlas
Well they claim the demo works on PS5, good enough for me!
solid aurora
I mean huge 400km levels
fringe sundial
in fact, the current Actor system of unreal would overhead so much on the nvme
because loading the memory is much,much faster than actually spawning the actor
solid aurora
that's why they have Valkyrie i guess
dense atlas
yeah except can't stream floating point precision errors
fringe sundial
for optimized stuff on next gen consoles, you want to store "live" memory
north torrent
Quixel Mixer is about taking Quixel assets and fitting them to the art style and color pallet of your project. It can make a scene from Megascans look like it is your own unique art style.
fringe sundial
and just memcopy stamp stuff
solid aurora
they are going to release more technical info this and next week
I DO HOPE it will be something about programming model as well
dense atlas
I'm now waiting for proper multiplayer origin rebasing announcement to wet my panties
fringe sundial
yes, because Actors cant handle the type of loading shown in the demo
north torrent
Far a game Red Dead Redemption 2's reflections are relatively good and accurate.
Fixed that for you, Mr. Gordello.
fringe sundial
just spawning the actors would take more time than loading them
zinc matrix
I didn't quite get the part of normal map. They are still in game no?
solid aurora
then multi step registration
fringe sundial
@solid aurora my static meshes, in my shit vulkan engine, are barely more than a couple bytes
basically just Transform + mesh ID + couple flags
solid aurora
yeah, actor for what it is is huge overhead
it should be strictly limited to gameplay systems
not used for everything that can be on level ; s
dense atlas
I assume those statues are HISM or something
fathom wadi
see that is over-egging the pudding
zinc matrix
I meant, you can use displacement. But, is displacement a replacement for normals? meaning that normals are now obsolete tech?
fathom wadi
Its nice for a tech demo, but who would use a model without normal maps when you can save milliseconds
solid aurora
it's most likely ruynning on their ECS system
north torrent
They didn't have the statues crumble with Chaos though, so there must be some limitation.
solid aurora
Valkyrie
fringe sundial
they are tesellating the fuck out of everything
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix displacement is better than POM but its not a replacement for a normal map
north torrent
If you want to be able to break the statue with physics, I am going to assume 33,000,000 tris isn't going to work.
solid aurora
and EOS imo was well worth the wait
the service unlikle many others
provide what is needed, not what it think you need
dense atlas
Also how will Chaos handle this detail precision, can I walk on these surfaces properly? It seems that's handled my foot IK
solid aurora
there is new animation system
which seems like something akin to distance/motion matching
dense atlas
Yeah, Wizard cheating ๐
solid aurora
(probabaly encapsulated into some anim nodes)
dense atlas
Sounds great though!
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix use phy's voxel engine for snow
dense atlas
I liked the IK positioning on door as well, anims were so tight!
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix https://github.com/Phyronnaz/VoxelPlugin
dense atlas
The big question is if they will share the anim tech, because that's a big deal to me!
zinc matrix
that global illumination is probably Voxel stuff
fathom wadi
they share everything. its open source
dense atlas
Not really
fathom wadi
well not everything. The store isn't, the launcher isn't
dense atlas
Don't get me started on that stuff! ๐
We have the elite next gen graphics, but total rubbish launcher and store! ๐ต
fathom wadi
yeah I was pushing for the download limiter since it released because it would stall my entire home internet when Fortnite was patching. So I went and looked into how to apply it, learned how to, but had no access to the launcher source. So I had to wait. But they added it recently, which is nice because it only took more than a year and was a few lines of code :/
dense atlas
There's just some many things wrong with that part of the eco system people use third party websites.
It's really incomprehensible at this point.
Nope, not going to get started..... ๐
It's obvious!
I thought I was just taking a quick break when I sat down a couple of hours ago! ๐
fathom wadi
its all still in development and if I learned anything from my time with unreal, its that evolution will occur as necessary and (almost) nothing is rushed because they want to be the first
heh there is no point being on Twitter right now as my entire feed is "OMG UNREAL 5" posts
Well its worth it for this post.
Twitter
north torrent
I'll just stick to finishing my current game and worry about Unreal 5 when it comes.
fathom wadi
preparation is key
north torrent
Finishing is key.
fathom wadi
im lucky though that im not locked down into a project right now
speaking of which, I now have fibre internet. Time to download UE 4.25
north torrent
Do it!
zinc matrix
I wonder if a group of some modders could team up and finish UT by themselves. Speaking in term of technical manpower. Take 3 mappers, somebody to script the menu system, challenges, design, game modes and at least you could finish a game with 20 maps or so, 4 game modes
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix nobody will touch that after what happened
not to mention the last version is used was around 4.12 or something. It would take a lot of work to update to the latest version or it would have to sit in the old version. Plus half finished code, assets, etc. It would be better to start from scratch
zinc matrix
what did they do?
fathom wadi
abandoned it for Fortnite. Plus there was drama and elitism
zinc matrix
they just said that want money with fortnite?
north torrent
I think the best way to prepare for Unreal Engine 5 is to get good at Zbrush...
fathom wadi
it cnt hurt
solid aurora
nah
fathom wadi
*cant
zinc matrix
I would take one or two maps from UT, UT3 or UT2k4 and reimagine them
hasty cargo
its not about money its freeing up recources to work on your suddenly record breakingly popular game imo
thats mostly why ut4 collect dust
fathom wadi
its the artists and animators who made that scene look the way it did. Two skills worth learning
north torrent
I am going to assume you are being sarcastic, Mr. Inside.
north torrent
Half, as in the number of assets in a game that even exist in the real world to be scanned?
zinc matrix
there are some other arena shooters but they aren't quite that popular
fathom wadi
@hasty cargo they could have freed up the Epic people helping on the game without taking the rest of the capable team with them. But it shows the fragile nature of community projects. All it takes is one diversion and you lose years of works
north torrent
I'm all for scanning things that can be found in the real world.
But half the stuff if not more in the games I play don't exist to be scanned.
fathom wadi
@solid aurora The Division 2 is coded by idiots. but the artists are magnificent
not that Im bitter or anything ยฌ_ยฌ
north torrent
Or are you going to get a time machine and go back to ancient Egypt to make a game like Assassins Creed Orgins?
fathom wadi
I quit at around 55 after they banned people for their shitty bugs
it was pointless to carry on
the whole thing left a sour taste in my mouth after putting hundreds of hours into both games
hasty cargo
I think their best multiplayer shooter programmers were working on ut4
so it makes sense that losing them would stop the project pretty quick
fathom wadi
not really. The fact it was elitist in who could get to do stuff for it was the kicker. They could have been replaced, but it was a community project that felt like a closed clique
zinc matrix
quake champ isn't the same thing as Q3 days
hasty cargo
it sorta was then there was hero abilities =/
ebon onyx
@hasty cargo Just saw the video, oh my god it's so amazing. This is probably the most significant thing to happen in years
north torrent
Pretty much.
hasty cargo
its pretty amazing, you should suggest things more often ๐
signal citrus
suppose we could look at epic's acquisitions and guess more things on ue5
sage tendon
@zinc matrix the launcher makes a new folder for the newer version, so even though you didnt do it yourself, a backup was made
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix 4.24 was definitely broken in some spots. there was an editor framerate issue that seemed to get fixed in .25
sage tendon
@zinc matrix check the folder where your project folder is located
There should be another now
fathom wadi
Just found the first song I wrote on Spotify. Not weird at all.
sage tendon
@fathom wadi you wrote a song on spotify?
fathom wadi
I wrote a song around 25 years ago and it ended up on a compilation CD. So it gets around. Now it's on spotify.
Never got paid for it tho
not that I think its worth being paid for. But its still an odd feeling
tulip orbit
Country song hit? "Ma dog dont like peanut butter no more" ?
fathom wadi
Death metal called "Dreaming in Limbo"
ignore the clip, the singing is out of context
something the singer decided to do and we didn't want him to, but it was his band...
tulip orbit
yeah, they really speak to me
fathom wadi
we split up not long after this because the singer wanted to play the keyboards, but he couldn't play them at all. It was embarassing
We used to tease him saying when he played, it sounded like Cervantes theme tune from Soul Calibur. He didn't much like that :p
He liked norse culture and would dump a lot of it in the music
mossy nexus
There was a local band way back in the day called "Mrs Gandhi's Mushroom Party" They were as shit as the name. They got booed off every stage, had beer's and other less nice stuff thrown at them
acoustic halo
at 2k for those who want it
zinc matrix
those rocks, you don't sculpt it by hand do you?
broken sigil
photogrammetry
zinc matrix
in low poly games the surface is mostly flat with a rocky texture
but with billions of triangles, nobody would carve microdetail by hand
dusky shuttle
even with photogrammetry this thing is hard to put together
so what is the graphics card equivalent of a ps5?
dusky shuttle
isn't there a big performance difference between the 5700 xt and the 2080?
zinc matrix
1 teraflops in consoles != 1 teraflops in pcs
ppl are comparing the 12 teraflops of xbox to 2080 super, but I don't think it's right to compare teraflops alone
north iris
https://forums.unrealengine.com/filedata/fetch?id=1760202&d=1589394755
@north torrent Yeah wow! That's insane. 12 million triangles
north torrent
If polygons are free, who even needs a gpu?
Nvidia is going to announce their retirement tomorrow.
zinc matrix
no, we are still well behind the first GPU to hit 100 teraflops
fathom wadi
Petaflops is where it's at. Quantum GPUs are where it's at. ยฌ_ยฌ
just think, eventually GPUs will be brain interfaces that simply immerse you through neural manipulation
north torrent
Unreal 5 will make gpus obsolete.
zinc matrix
with HBM3 projecting cards with 64 GB, that should enable realtime fluid simulations on games
fathom wadi
we have that now tho
zinc matrix
games running at 8k should require more than 20GB
median wraith
you got a scene with 35 millions rendenring at time ? @zinc matrix
north torrent
8k would be nice if you were playing games on a 400 inch tv.
median wraith
such an amazing GPU, my 970GTX don't does that
zinc matrix
tommorow
i must be super productive
cus last week i was doing
nothing
can you believe it
fathom wadi
8k isn't required if you ask me. Signed, Mr.Magoo
soft night
this conversation is funny
zinc matrix
8k is like wanting to play on a cinema theather screen
hasty cargo
8k is when you want to lazily UV your models
zinc matrix
that lighting in UE5 techdemo. Can't we already get that with lightmass?
north torrent
All the fps!
dense atlas
@signal citrus Still waiting for 3Lateral modular digital humans.
signal citrus
mhm good memory, i forgot about that
theres also that whole skookum thing
that got panned
dense atlas
Yeah that's cool as well.
signal citrus
i imagine they are hopefully working on javascript implementation for the people who want it and some sort of parsable language runtime
dense atlas
I think it's well canned at this point.
signal citrus
skookum script is canned yeah, but i think they still have the devlopers from it
dense atlas
The 3Lateral thing is more confusing.
With that team we'd never need to piss around with Manny ever again.
Could even just fix that CF of a default rig.
Would be step in the right direction.
Interesting how the Tomb Raiderish skeletal mesh was not very high poly.
hasty cargo
i guess they aren't ready for the big reveal of characters in ue5
dense atlas
Animated and static meshes seem to still be far apart in regards to what's possible with streaming.
hasty cargo
the animation thing they described sounded interesting, some sort of automatic naunce or something
wonder what that will be about
dense atlas
It sounded like Start Citizen IK magic they will probably never grant us plebs to use.
If lucky might do a basic video on technical details, with massive holes in it.
I'm not jaded though, can't give all the tricks away.
I'd be happy if they just did a good stream on the climbing implementation.
hasty cargo
thats 360 degree winning, folks!
dense atlas
I love how honest the man keeps his game.
hasty cargo
if only his pockets were deep enough to keep up the royalties strike against google and steam
dense atlas
That's like pimp hand game, not literal games game. ๐
Epic store I assume is doing okay, need more big name releases, but they've brought people onboard with candy.
I really wanted to buy Predator just to support things but it was kind of meh to me.
I even let my discount voucher expire, that's how little the catalog interests me. Maybe Shenmue 3, but that stuff has had it's day. I'm not preordering Vampire or Cyberpunk, god knows when those will actually hit and if they're worth the sticker shock.
I've played like 2% of the free stuff.
zinc matrix
hey why can i not build my project? everytime i build it never works it just freezez
like on my harddrive?
dense atlas
do you have 32gb memory sticks?
zinc matrix
no i do have a 1 tb external harddrive
dense atlas
If not, that's probably the issue and you need to trim some fat.
Building is a blocking operation.
It will eat eveything.
zinc matrix
i just had to exit the swarm thing and it un froze lol
dense atlas
it will lock you up until it's done.
In the glorious future you will not need lightmaps!
zinc matrix
i hope
dense atlas
me too.
zinc matrix
i keep working on my game too much
i really need to take a break
i think im obsessed with my game
dense atlas
I've not worked on my game at all in 3 months because of RL work and Covid BS. ๐ข
zinc matrix
why, do you have a team?
dense atlas
I've worked alone on this for over 5 years...
dense atlas
I'm making a MMORPG!.... ๐ฑ
zinc matrix
also why did you stop working on it? it's quarantine literally the best time to work on a game
dense atlas
I work like 12 hrs a day, I'm not on some government package. I do my day job and training courses.
Because I'm a programmer I can work remotely...
Mostly DIY stuff has been killing my free time, so that's why.
It's really starting to get to me, but the DIY is almost done.
I'm doing 2 training courses at the same time and currently procrastinating because of alcohol and UE5 announcement. I need to submit one final exam before I sleep and prep for another final exam tomorrow.... ๐ต
Then I might get stuff on track this weekend, maybe. It's not really ideal for all if you want to still get a decent paycheck.
fathom wadi
im a programmer that works from home with 5 kids. I used to work during school time and through the night. Now I have to juggle the family responsibilities and stay on top of my jobs. It's pressure this job does not need.
and noisy
dense atlas
Boss is also getting antsy over me finishing my outstanding projects when I come off these courses next week.
I feel you.
I don't regret not starting a family already right now.
signal citrus
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YGL6FG @bronze axle tr builds add up quick though
stiff crystal
are all TR mobos priced like that ? ๐
signal citrus
nah but the mobo is not something i'd save money on
signal citrus
power delivery for these things is serious
ebon onyx
My TR mobo was $550
signal citrus
afaik theres isn't a better board than that
stiff crystal
pretty sure my last Asus mobo that died had power delivery issues
ebon onyx
So you can get cheaper ones if you don't need everything it has
dense atlas
Uhmmm TR build, that's what I work for! ๐
ebon onyx
dense atlas
I'll save from all this BS in compile times!
stiff crystal
then again, I know some people paid 1k for x570 mobos even
signal citrus
ROG is in a different class of mainboard than asus's other stuff for sure
the rear io on the zenith and 5 nvm slots may be something to consider though
ebon onyx
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Prime-TRX40-Pro/ There's also this but I decided against it in the end
dense atlas
What CPU you looking at and cooling setup?
ebon onyx
Yeah but if you need more NVME slots than the 3 on the ROG board I got, there are always PCI-E adapters. ASUS even makes one that supports 4 more NVME drives
stiff crystal
I mean, I'd rather save on the mobo and get 32 core TR instead
ebon onyx
^
stiff crystal
that's like way more value to me
signal citrus
have you seen any pcie4.0 adapters?
ebon onyx
That was what I did. I got the 3970x instead of the 3960x by getting a slightly cheaper motherboard.
stiff crystal
I mean, it depends on what you want
signal citrus
thats not a bad price at all
ebon onyx
It's really not, especially if you're already in a place where you're about to buy 4 NVME drives
dense atlas
BIgger nvme makes more sense, can offload enough stuff to hybrid/mech drives
I use Hybrid 2tb etc drives and limited NVME for my project and git stuff.
stiff crystal
4TB nvme's have crazy premium price now
dense atlas
Really more interested in clock speed and ram slots.
ebon onyx
For on-device storage, I've moved to entirely SSDs now. Had enough mechanical drive failures the last month.
stiff crystal
you'd almost get that adapter and 4x 2TB at the same price
deep glen
@ebon onyx same, minus two spare backup hdds
signal citrus
at 550+90 though its a 200 dollar price difference about, the io on the zenith is pretty amazing for what it is
but strix is definitely good stuff
stiff crystal
yeah, HDD's do suck
ebon onyx
It is, but when building a new PC, $300 right now (if you don't need the card immediately) is worth another 64gb of ram
So it's worth the tradeoff
dense atlas
I'm all about spending money on distro plate... ๐
and aiming for 5ghz clocks
Stock is delayed, should be proper neat when I get my hands on it.
This build is not TR though.
signal citrus
the 4xxx series should have been announced by now for desktop
dense atlas
YEah only mobile lat I checked.
signal citrus
but the new 3100 and 3300x are welcome
ebon onyx
Probably being held off on for the consoles
signal citrus
mobile 4xxx is desktop 3xxx
consoles are zen2 i think
but yeah competition wise, makes sense i guess
dense atlas
It does look pretty decent on the mobile side.
Boss gave me some Lenovo junk, couldn't even run Unreal if he let me.
My last i7 is toast.
ebon onyx
My last desktop died and took 3 hard drives with it
I finally pushed it one render too far
fathom wadi
Twitter can be the worst place in the world. But it can also be amazing. Sam Esmail replying to me is like a digital Shakespeare stopping to talk to me
north torrent
Nvidia should be announcing something today.
signal citrus
getting kinda late no?
dense storm
ooh sipping on straight chlorine..
im getting a ryzen 4800 laptop next week
those 4 series mobile chips are awesome
whoop intel chips at same price point, and better on power consumption
even in single core!
bronze axle
@signal citrus Yeah that's why I'm looking at the 16-core Ryzen stuff. Way cheaper but still a huge benefit for me.
north torrent
7:00am here.
zinc matrix
you lucky @dense storm
signal citrus
3950x is not a bad choice at all, but the extra +8 cores (+16 threads) you get with the 3960x should be considered too
dense storm
but then does the cost of board and ram
dense storm
thing is chips get outdated so quick
my 3950x whoops 2nd gen threadrippers
which cost way more than my chip
dense storm
im hoping mine lasts a good 2 years
a $1700 gen 2 TR
well it was when it released
signal citrus
that 2990wx might edge you out on some fringe cases though, but yeah the 2990wx is slow
does have twice as many threads though
quiet narwhal
@dense storm I've got an ideapad 5 coming with a 4700u next week, 8 core no threads so super curious how well it will handle UE4
quiet narwhal
none, integrated vega 7
quiet narwhal
its not meant to be a heavy machine
16gb 14", meant for light work so curious on how it will handle UE4. shouldnt be half bad for what it is
quiet narwhal
looks like the asus tuf?
quiet narwhal
yep I was going to get the g14, I want a 14 incher, but for half the cost I got a good compromise I think
I mean if I want to do heavy work I have my desktop
dense storm
mine is just for light work
north torrent
As long as it isn't a 13 inch... those things look like toys...
quiet narwhal
the reports so far put the 4700u at really good performance for 15 watts so I think I will be happy. I used to run UE4 on an intel 4010u with an 840m so I can deal with it
dense storm
once this pandemic has calmed down, would be nice to go chill somewhere and code, and get out of the house
best thing about working for a company as a remote ๐
quiet narwhal
I mainly picked up the laptop so I can do random learning in bed with the wife and the cat lol
dense storm
i was looking at theG15 originally
but i couldn't see the difference to justify the cost difference
quiet narwhal
nope the tuf, if you can live with the screen, is a great value machine
the g14 and 15 are just extra special if you want extra special
dense storm
whats wrong with the screen?
quiet narwhal
nothing "wrong" its just not high color accuracy
but most wont be so its not like its an issue for 90% of the people lol
north torrent
I have a laptop because I am constantly traveling around the world. Never for heavy lifting though.
For my next laptop my main concern is getting a 360 with a decent touch screen with pen compatibility. Means I don't have to travel with my Wacom anymore.
quiet narwhal
yep yep, which is one of the reasons I balked on the G14. it has no home/end/pgup/down keys ๐ฆ
dense storm
the tuf seems to have a better keyboard
over the G15
would be lost without the numpad
quiet narwhal
my desktop has no 10key so I've gotten used to it
quiet narwhal
I wanted to get the swift 3 but it's capped at 8GB ram and I couldnt handle that
I just end up remapping anything I need to other key combinations or break out the usb 10 key
I dont use the 10 key enough for me to care about it in the end and I reallllllly like the 14 inch form factor
but it was so hard to find a 14 inch that had a dGPU
dense storm
https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/asus-tuf-fa706iu-ryzen-7-4800h-16gb-1tb-ssd-geforce-gtx-1660ti-17.3-inch-wi-fa706iu-h7015t/version.asp this has a 17.3 screen
fathom wadi
I need an upgrade. Just built 4.25 and it took 93 minutes.
dense storm
takes me 14mins to build 4.25 ๐
north torrent
15 inch laptops in 2020 are about the size of 14 inch laptops in 2016.
fathom wadi
im still on a 4790k. cant complain tho, had more than a few years out of it
quiet narwhal
My thought were G14 for $1500 or cheaper laptop + 3950X for $1500 and I figured why not
dense storm
3900x is a good chip
quiet narwhal
@north torrent they are but the weight is just not there on the 15 inchers compared to a 14"
dense storm
my co worker has one, and its still fast as feck
its only like 5-6 seconds slower building our game o_0
and cheaper
quiet narwhal
I've got a 2700x now, figured why not just go balls to the wall and get the 3950x
north torrent
Compared to the laptops I generally carry, any laptop in 2020 is incredibly lightweight.
quiet narwhal
yeah once you get to a certain point you have to just figure out whats important to you the most in the laptop and try to get it. I use it in bed on a tray or on the lap and smaller size + weight tends to be the biggest for me. The swift at 2.7 pounds was..... soooo nice but 8GB ram makes a sad panda
north torrent
Even with a laptop I still have to use it at a desk, so it never made much of a difference to me.
quiet narwhal
I did briefly consider ditching the desktop for a laptop, they are really powerful at this point, but then I can't use those strong ones in bed lol.
north torrent
The weight of these older laptops I have however, is more than enough to make a difference when carrying them around airports day after day.
I guess it depends on how close your bed is to your desk...
quiet narwhal
yeah I see 6+ lbs on some of the newer ones and ugh, and those are almost thin and light for gaming laptops
north torrent
I have a USB C touch screen that I can plug into my desktop and basically have a tablet with the power of a PC...
Might work for using in bed, haven't tried it myself.
You would have a cable to worry about.
quiet narwhal
oooh thats nice
not much of a difference compared to a power cord for the laptop if it was on the lap
north torrent
I'm honestly not even sure what I bought this screen for...
quiet narwhal
same reason I have a PS TV sitting in a box outside, it was cool when you saw it
north torrent
I guess for testing games with touch input.
quiet narwhal
that was my justification when I bought my touchscreen laptop, used it for one game and never again lol
north torrent
Second screen for my laptop.
fathom wadi
anyone know if you can use the Lidar Point Cloud component with realtime data?
raw phoenix
north torrent
I wasn't aware Unity users cared about graphics fidelity.
My chicken sandwich is upside down...
hasty cargo
hdrp is very pretty, more pretty for certain things
but wiht ue5 idk anymore haha
I guess getting away from ue4's taa and overly contrasty tonemapping would still be a valid reason to use unity
north torrent
I guess if you want your game to look like a Playstation 2 era game.
hasty cargo
I think ur being a bit extreme
but yeah take older games like i always say dayz, where the lighting and color is much easier on the eyes and less cinematic
I don't think its a bad thing
north torrent
Unity has lighting?
hasty cargo
interesting comparison
ue4 https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/product/Screenshot/18-1920x1080-cd0809c8225b3e2e31cbdd22585f5dfa.jpg
granted he could have done a better job in ue4
but you still get the ahh too bright and ahh too dark noisy contrast
if there was an enemy walking in the background field in the unity shot you'd see them easily, in ue4 they might get lost amongst the noise + having taa blurr the edges
north torrent
I does look very 'gamey' I guess. That artificial look to it.
hasty cargo
yeah, in certain scenes its not an issue, but in some its really hard to beat out
north torrent
Not as hard as finishing an actual game that looks good in Unity...
north torrent
The capacity to make an ugly game doesn't at all prove that even the best of the best can make a pretty game in Unity.
hasty cargo
tarkov would look pretty amazing if it wasn't for whatever it is they are doing with their ambient light
north torrent
Does anyone ever get from start to finishing a game without stumbling across some sort of unfixable major issue in Unity?
hasty cargo
well i mean hearthstone works fine ๐
north torrent
Does it?
bronze axle
People seem to ship good games made with Unity. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
north torrent
Do they?
bronze axle
Yes.
north torrent
Ok.
bronze axle
I don't like Unity, but I recognize its value.
hasty cargo
yeah not a fan either, got some good community tools though. But when I open unity stuff, I can see its not as pretty or cinematic, but my eyes appreciate it, very comfortable
north torrent
I don't like the flat 'easier to shoot people' look though. Like when first person shooters have lights in odd places so the visibility is better for the player.
But in general I just don't care about players, so that's just me.
hasty cargo
if you look at csgo, they manage to maintain the easyness on the eyes, but look pretty, good composition and MSAA is guess
north torrent
Counter Strike is one of the least favorite games I have ever played in my life.
bronze axle
Not my thing, either. I find it boring.
north torrent
If other people like it, then great. Not for me.
bronze axle
Indeed.
hasty cargo
maybe but you can atleast appreciate a good looking piece of art that also considers gameplay
bronze axle
I'm a bit of an old school gamer. I mostly enjoy moody single-player games with puzzles, horror, rich atmosphere, or all of the above.
hasty cargo
not just bzrghgghhaaaa lense flares and lots of contrast!
wowow
the kickstarter trailer engine
north torrent
Lens flares are life...
I really missed the lens flares in the most recent Mass Effect game...
bronze axle
Lens flares can be great when used tastefully.
hasty cargo
pfist are you a stalker fan
bronze axle
I only played a little bit of the first one many years ago, so I haven't followed the series much.
hasty cargo
it got a lot better than the boxed version
also free
can just download it and play it
and its quite awesome if you wanna burn a few hours
can just play in sandbox mode
do missions etc
north torrent
I don't want to try to copy movies in games, but I want to think the way a movie cinematographer would about setting up a scene in the best way to tell a story.
The format might be very different than a movie, but I personally believe the same level of intentional artistic decisions can be.
Just in a way that best shows off what makes games unique. Not in a way that just looks like a cheap knockoff of a Hollywood blockbuster...
hasty cargo
you're totally right which is why ue4's postprocessing can be a nightmare for some who want to achieve a specific look
north torrent
Far easier than any alternative I have ever used.
red pewter
I think UE4 post processing has way too much stuff enabled by default
north torrent
Can't say I've ever worked for Ubisoft or Dice to see how their respective engines work.
raw phoenix
stiff crystal
Unity actually did now similar thing to UE4
HDRP now has bunch of effects enabled by default :/
that being said, people telling Unity graphics look like PS2 era is just uninformed
I also like more neutral look on Unity, it looks more "correct" out of the box for me
also less soft/blurred but that could partly be the UE4's TAA
red pewter
I have always had a huge bone to pick with how shiny everything looks in unreal
I am not sure exactly which parameter effects it, it just really seems off to me
I suppose if I can control it there's no reason to complain. I believe post processing is extensible now?
hasty cargo
set roughness to 1 on most things and just tweak the specular contrast and strength
instantly easier on the eyes
red pewter
Thanks, I'll try that
hasty cargo
but I think ue4's less neutral look is more to do with tonemapping
red pewter
Yep. r.filmictonemapping or something
hasty cargo
you can completley replace the tonemapper with a pp material
rugged storm
hasty cargo
but then none of the PP stuff works
signal citrus
unity is too bright out of the box imo
hasty cargo
unreal engine makes me squint, unity makes me wonder how the hell do I make the viewport flying camera go faster?????
quaint cipher
pearl elk
Pfft UE4 such old tech
Unity gets a bad rep cuz of all the bubblicious games made with it, they woulda been better off implementing a limited palette with only candy colours
signal citrus
That 1m news
I donโt see the purpose of unity lol
You can have fun making games in unity but hard to make fun games
pearl elk
Yeah fun game thats the real trick of it isnt it
I did find it mildly ironic they did the UE5 interview in meatspace considering the amount of talk about virtual worlds there was
signal citrus
Meatspace?
pearl elk
yeah where us big bloodbags live
signal citrus
Oh
pearl elk
as opposed to cyberspace ๐
signal citrus
Ah
pearl elk
Come and grab your Geoff Keighley Fortnite skin free
pearl elk
I did like the stack of binders and print outs behind Sweens though
The streams have been really fantastic lately I must say, lots of great Epic veterans.
Im guessing some of this was meant to be for GDC
signal citrus
What are you watching
pearl elk
UE channel on YouTube
There was one by Hourences about volumetrics, then the one with James Golding about physics. Then theres the one with the sound guys when they went into the soundscapes and reverb
signal citrus
Bet your right, damn gdc would have been good 
winter meteor
Holy fuck I just watched the UE5 teaser
signal citrus
Itโs PlayStation five so donโt get too excited
pearl elk
It must be all the AMD RTX stuff coming online too
Thats why next year
Im guessing UE5 will come with Chaos only too, all the old moldy guts will be stripped ๐
winter meteor
I think it's their own implementation, selling such a feature just to find out it's best on X hardware would be massively disappointing
pearl elk
Sequencer, Niagara, Audio system, theres not much of the old UE left ๐
steel bridge
hey i'm setting up a discord for retro fps multiplayer game matchmaking ... is there a channel on this discord where i could promote it?
pearl elk
Epic had it back in Elemental which I still think looks superior hehe
signal citrus
@steel bridge you must dm an orange name and request before posting
tulip orbit
steel bridge
@signal citrus thanks
pearl elk
Chaos fields will be in UE5 I bet, they said its not all quite there but it'll be interesting to see how volumetrics goes too.
winter meteor
I'm happy with GI alone honestly but nanite is pretty slick
Big time saver for bigger powerhouse studies
Hope vr gets some love too
pearl elk
I wonder if theres parity between Nvidia RTX and AMD in terms of fidelity or if theres shortcuts being taken
signal citrus
pearl elk
Whats even crazier is when you were there to play those games on release, Prey was gonna be the biggest engine ever lol
It was a big step up from Choplifter ๐
tulip orbit
I remember being in awe of how beautiful Unreal was
pearl elk
Mirrors and coronas zomg
tulip orbit
pearl elk
It was the audio too in Unreal though, it sounded so alien
pearl elk
I remember the UT2003 leaks it was some dark bedroom handycam footage lol
spare glade
The UE5 demo def looks raytraced though.
Theres lots of noise around objects in motion if you look carefully.
Its especially noticable when the bats fly around.
signal citrus
Itโs not raytracwd
It does seem like that could be artifacts from the virtualized geometry. Idk though
Could also be the gi being adaptive
spare glade
Mmm
pearl elk
TAA ๐
signal citrus
Or that
spare glade
Jesus i hope thats one thing they get rid of completely or improve.
TAA is terrible.
signal citrus
Taa at 30fps is what it is
pearl elk
RTX does help with the ghosting from SSR, I did notice that which is a bonus for FPS weapons
lol 30fps
Needs more film grain
woo photograms
signal citrus
I think theyโre gonna have a problem on hand if they are using some console specific shared memory thing to do that stuff
But the 1m news makes up for at least one misleading thing potentially
pearl elk
Well maybe on PCs with SSDs they can do similar things but if you tried doing that on a mechanical drive you'll max out the speeds pretty fast
pearl elk
Yeah thats true, wish there wasnt so much bloat
tulip orbit
Even in BL3 I notice the slow speed of my mechanical drive.
Everytime I load a new area, takes about a min or two for all the textures to load, massive lag in the meantime
pearl elk
I wonder if consoles virtualize anything for security like phones and PCs
Epic likes to complain about Google Play but its the same thing on Windows 10 installing a non-signed EXE
Defender will jump on it and grind your PC to a halt before you get a chance to run it
I get abit of texture streaming in for BL3 as well but its fairly fast loading times off an SSD
The new nvme speeds are insane though, I need a 2TB fast one ๐
Mines only like 600s, not 3000+ lol
fluid bloom
why the hell do people constantly ask for C# support?
solid aurora
the DirectStorage API is coming to windows
the only missing part will be hardware decompression
but I guess amd is on it
for next ryzens or the next next ryzens
pearl elk
They gotta test it on Xbox first
fluid bloom
what's that?
pearl elk
I wish Nvidia would do another PC chipset ๐
north torrent
I wish Nvidia would send me free stuff.
last summit
Probably a little premature to ask but was there any mention of epic games releasing the assets in that trailer for ue5? Some of that niagara stuff would be cool to go over
north torrent
They probably will when UE5 is released in 2021.
north torrent
Might not work with the UE4 version of Niagara, even though they will be mostly similar.
north torrent
Niagara is fun. I wish I could work on it more.
But I have a detailed schedule of my development, and particle effects are part of the very last stage, 7 months from now...
So not much Niagara for me right now.
tough sierra
When ue5? ๐
Also got a new pc so might actually jump back into the engine.
Also, any recommended reads on creating instanced mesh systems that deal with extremely high counts? there's a setTransforms method someone told me about a while ago which is pretty sweet. Am wanting to know if there's any projects that properly showcase this.
Or any talks about it.
Any info on projects going the more DOD rout.
Also how does one load in assets at runtime or what's the best way to allow someone to easily modify and add assets as mods?
fluid bloom
looks like next gen standard PC should have an nvme with 4-5 GB/s read speeds
mossy nexus
around ยฃ112 for 500GB NvME with 5000MB/s ... prices really need to come down a bit more
mossy nexus
yeah
mossy nexus
๐
fluid bloom
fucking hell I thought my samsung 840 evo was good enough for a long time
mossy nexus
well for anything today, it is.. ๐
fluid bloom
puny 400-500 MB/s read speeds
honestly the main attraction of SSDs at the time (for me anyways) was the instant seek times compared to HDDs
mossy nexus
Yup, although load times are night and day compared to regular HDD
pearl elk
If you could stream textures straight from SSD to memory be way faster than going through the middle man
tough sierra
Woah what?
fluid bloom
I'd imagine it essentially allows the user to read/write random-ass-bytes however you want
pearl elk
Its probably in both new consoles, theres never been a north/south bridge issue with consoles
fluid bloom
most likely
tough sierra
That's fucking sexy.