As small or solo developers people like us can't just compete with Assassin's Creed or Red Dead Redemption
But should we? You don't need to aim for AAA scale to make cool stuff. One of the most recent games I completed, was Dusk. It was great. I'd rather play it again, instead of playing rdr2. Dusk is great in many ways, it is fun, and shows how good design and intent can do without AAA production value. Although graphics imo might be a bit better
#lounge
mild root
plucky pagoda
If you're a solo dev and trying to make Red Dead REdemption 2 you should block out 50 years to work on it.
north torrent
The next sentence I typed after that was "So I think it is important to not do what they do."
rigid shoal
Why not just Ebay/Amazon?
mild root
If you're a solo dev and trying to make Red Dead REdemption 2 you should block out 50 years to work on it.
@plucky pagoda probably you didn't get me. I was trying to say that you don't have to aim for that scale, but focus on smaller and isolated concept.
north torrent
But for what I personally am doing, which is not really meant to be marketable, is to not sacrifice on graphics but to sacrifice on scale.
I truly believe that I can make a small slice of a game that is just as beautiful as a Red Dead Redemption or Assassin's Creed game.
I would never be able to do a giant open world with dozens of towns and thousands on NPCs and a few hundred unique buildings and 50 hours of gameplay.
But If I am making a little isolated village, I can compete with the production value of a AAA studio.
mild root
Maybe that is too much work, but anyway it is possible to make cool things quickly, like Ian Hubert's methodics
elfin zinc
RDR and AC have own engines, you can't make engine by small group. but games itself is not so complicated
north torrent
But you could make Assassin's Creed or Red Dead Redemption in Unreal, if you had 500 people working for you.
mild root
RDR and AC have own engines, you can't make engine by small group. but games itself is not so complicated
@elfin zinc I've heard there are ready for use engines, however I am not sure where to find one of them 🤪
north torrent
The availability of tools like Megascans it is a bit easier to reach a level of realism or detail that wasn't very obtainable by a small team years ago.
More of a library than a tool I guess, but whatever.
rigid shoal
What about the things not covered by Megascans? Particularly characters.
Because I have been debating whether or not to use Megascans because I'm not entirely sure if I can match the character quality.
mild root
Substance painter with its stock materials
north torrent
Zbrush.
elfin zinc
it is not, @mild root . RDR using RAGE (Rockstar Advanced Game Engine) engine, AC using Anvil Engine from Ubisoft
mild root
🛩️
elfin zinc
😸
north torrent
As someone who is not going for realistic, I wouldn't just throw Megascans into my game. But having the basic assets to work with makes it a lot faster for me to create my own style of assets.
Like say I want to build a log cabin in Zbrush. Having photo scanned logs to work with is a time saver, even if I don't keep them in their original form.
A lot of the time I keep the normal maps but denoise them a bit, and then simplify the colors.
Some Megascans just make good alpha brushes for sculpting surfaces.
rigid shoal
Hmm, alright. I haven't yet tried, but I've been pretty much stuck on art stuff for awhile now.
It's just seems to god damn difficult.
north torrent
I want to start on art stuff, but that has to wait.
Only art stuff I am doing at the moment is putting my terrain together, as it is hard to greybox a level without having the terrain in place.
Well, all the tools available in 2020 doesn't eliminate the need for an understanding of art fundamentals such as color theory or anatomy.
And being able to emulate the real world is a very different skill than being able to tell a story.
Damn... Megascans has a mine cart... It is like they are trying to make my job easier...
I think I also have way too many credits from the Substance Designer store thing...
Substance Source, I forgot what it was called for a second, had to open it up to see.
fluid bloom
has anyone thought about what happened to "serious" games?
for example Rainbow Six
thematically it's completely different to its originals
nowadays pretty much all games are heavily... gamified if you can say that 😄
north torrent
Gamified in what way?
fluid bloom
it's hard to describe
north torrent
Thus is life.
fluid bloom
for example rainbow six nowadays has a ton of UI elements that tell you if people died and how many are in the match
maybe it's just that game that has distorted my view 😄
north torrent
I personally feel that most games in 2020 have way too many UI elements. At least AAA games.
Assassin's Creed especially.
fluid bloom
I blame zoomers
fluid bloom
imagine that you're a 30 year old millennial and you have a 10-15 years younger annoying little brother. That brother is a zoomer.
north torrent
I don't think children make videogames, but I could be wrong.
The Fed wants to give the people stimulus checks every month for a year so that people will keep spending money and save the rich people who need them to spend.
Gotta keep the rich people making money at all costs, no matter how much money you need to print.
median wraith
Well 23 years old get hired don't ? @north torrent
north torrent
I don't think they do. Not in this economy.
median wraith
XD
median wraith
Yeah you don't even get hired even with 27 can confirm
7 shipped titles to work 5 months and get fired
north torrent
In the US you are better off on unemployment at the moment.
Seems like over half the fabrics on Substance Source are for the car industry.
ancient ingot
@north torrent i want your bread!
soft night
Bread of coffee
CoffeeBread
you can always make your own materials and publish there
north torrent
No.
soft night
making snow and I checked snow thing to cloth it was surreal
fathom wadi
naah you just need to do one flake then instance it 17,000,000,000,000 times
ancient ingot
lol
soft night
one flake and then the area what it cover and it transform when it mix with other flakes
fathom wadi
https://www.facebook.com/notes/marc-rogerson/an-insight-into-bullying/10157115372611629/ can someone let me know if they can read this? I made it public but Im not sure
thanks
rigid shoal
Damn, Marc, that's some sad stuff. 😦
fathom wadi
yeah. picking out the article about my friend really brought it back
I thank you for reading it. I hope if anyone ever wonders why I go off at bullies sometimes, it's because of this. And that isn't the half of it. I could have written a small book on the other things. I picked out the defining parts though
mossy nexus
That was a.. decent read? I mean that obviously took courage to write, explain. Life sure can be cruel at times, at least you've come through it with a greater understanding of yourself. Hmm. This obviously isn't meant to sound demeaning or the likes.
fathom wadi
naah I know what you mean. I saw a link on twitter asking why you were bullied and I thought it was an odd question. So I thought I would write a little piece
mossy nexus
Luckily I wasn't bullied to that degree when I was younger, although there was one ring leader the local tough guy who took pleasure in the usual crap. He had a gang of 15 or so hunt the streets for me one night. That was probably the scariest bit. I did laugh when he and his mate thought to jump 2 US Marines one night... that didn't work out for the two local lads like they thought it would. Met him years later, he's obviously grown up a bit since then but... I wouldn't shed a tear if he dropped dead some day.
north torrent
I taught my students about cyberbullying.
mossy nexus
One thing I learned was never back down, never give them an inch. Even if I knew I was in over my head I would challenge anyone who tried something. One time going to a mates late one Friday night midnight or later, two guys passed me asking for a cig. I said not got any. They stopped and adopted "that" stance and voice. I turned around, stubbed out my rollie. Told them that was my last one. Took two steps towards them asking if there was a problem. Now the thing about these two guys - one I knew and he was a psychopath. Him and his brother have got away with murder, and I was bricking it. But no way was I letting them think that. It worked they were well known and must have thought "if he's willing to go ahead with two of us..." . I was lucky. I would have been mince meat.
north torrent
Have you thought about moving?
mossy nexus
lol the second one was in a different town. That town even had a TV series made in it showing a particularly bad street in The Scheme.
north torrent
Sounds like the kind of place I avoid.
fathom wadi
I'll give you a happy story I should have added but I didn't because it is more of a brag than anything else. I was once heading to my girlfriends with £600 in my pocket for a weekend of debauchery. I stopped off to get some chips and gravy. It was way too hot that I couldn't eat them immediately. So I was stood at the bus stop and a lad and his friend came over. I knew one of them because he had beat me up after school one day. He said "gimme a quid" and I said "I don't have any money". He then said "I could hit you" and his friend said "naah hes towering over you" (I was 6ft2 at this point). But this guy thought I was soft and wouldn't fight back.
So as I held my chips and gravy, he took a swing, so I dropped my forehead and he hit me on the hard part of my skull.
I immediately rammed the boiling hot chips and gravy into his face, then punched the tray to smash it into his face harder.
Then I looked at his friend because I knew what was coming, 2 vs 1. I parried a couple of punches and timed a perfect jab to put him on his arse. Just as I did this, the other guy stood up. So I punched him into a bus stop.
As if I was juggling them, I then boxed the other guy, who couldn't hit me, until he was on his arse. I went backward and forwards knocking them both down one at a time.
Then they both came at me at the same time, so I shuffled backwards to avoid being hit, but I tripped and fell down. I covered my head as the feet came flying in. Someone walking past said "He's had enough" and they stopped.
The "gravy guy" sat with his head in his hands on a step and the other one (skinhead built like a brick shithouse) said "You wanna keep going?" and I looked him dead in the eye with evil intent and said "You better fkin leave it pal". He knew what was up at that point.
As I walked away the skinhead shouted "You're a hard man you are" and I turned around and shook my head at him.
mossy nexus
The town wasn't like that, it just had some places you really had to keep your eyes open.
I have a few stories but... this probably isn't the place for them 😄
north torrent
But you lost your food... so that's a very sad story...
mossy nexus
yup, food is the really loser there 😦
north torrent
Poor gravy...
fathom wadi
I saw that guy again one time and he had some little minions with him. He said "why did you do that?" and I said "duh you hit me" and he said "I could hit you again" so I just walked away. He didnt follow
mossy nexus
One of the many reason I generally dislike people
north torrent
Can't say I have ever heard of people getting in fights over here.
fathom wadi
I came from a fighting town tbh. This was normal.
Unfortunately it killed another friend from school, who got in a fight one New Years eve, slipped and cracked his head.
north torrent
I'll fist fight you if I have a knife. I'll knife fight you if I have a gun. I'll gun fight you if I have a tank.
fathom wadi
I'll wilfully fight in a dojo, but never on the street. I am always defending myself, trying to end it without dying
north torrent
If there is a 50/50 shot I'm going to lose, then that doesn't seem worth it to me.
90/10, I'll take those odds.
fathom wadi
whats worse these days is bullies are learning martial arts because they are meatheads. I know the dojo I trained at wouldn't take you on if they saw you as a meathead. They give you a verbal test first.
north torrent
Sounds like society is collapsing in on itself.
Good to see Sony and Naughty Dog are going after everyone with copyright claims.
Hopefully YouTube takes their side.
fathom wadi
north torrent
I don't Twitter. They support Donald Rump the ultimate cyberbully so I won't visit the site.
fathom wadi
this is true
I was banned for defending someone from a bully
I see so much passive aggressive bullying on that site it makes me sick. It's one of the reasons I don't align myself with the left (nor right btw). The right wing are outwardly vile, but the left are insidiously vile.
north torrent
Sounds like a lazy and self destructive choice to me. But I am not your father so I won't lecture you on it.
fathom wadi
it's not lazy but it is self-destructive because people who presume you ain't left, presume you are right wing. I use logic to decide which is best and that comes with no alignment.
north torrent
When you are given the choice to be punched in the arm or punched in the balls, making a choice is clearly better than not.
That's all there really is to it.
fathom wadi
given that choice, I kick them in the balls and run
north torrent
Not saying you want to be punched at all though, but if you let someone else decide... well, you get the idea.
fathom wadi
There are many people in my position. They want to be aligned with the left, and definitely sway that way, myself included, but being that division is the best way to conquer, it's all working well for the people they are both fighting again. It's a mugs game. Truth is truth, no matter the political alignment.
I think of it as a constant.
north torrent
You have no power to change either side if you don't make a choice and put some effort into it.
So you can take a 50/50 shot of being punched in the balls, or you can take your punch to the arm and then try to reason with the guy to not punch you again.
fathom wadi
you have no power to change either side at all. What do you think this is? A democracy?
mossy nexus
Tony Blair said this when he first started in politics "You enter politics wanting to make changes, to make things better. You quickly learn that in order to do that you have to play the political game, and soon all you do is play that game and nothing gets done" Probably the only true thing he said... 😄
fathom wadi
"Never be under the illusion that the global elite will allow you to vote away their wealth"
north torrent
You simply have to go down to the grass roots level and start building from the ground up. Every local election from the dog catcher to the city treasurer to the state level senate.
If you put in better choices for your party from the ground level up, in 10 years there will be better choices at the higher levels.
I'm not a defeatists. I know I can win, it will just take a lifetime. But the next generation will be better off for my efforts.
fathom wadi
we live in a corporate meritocracy if you like. We are the product. They own us from the day we get that serial number and are registered into the system.
north torrent
That's only because people in your country are apathetic about politics and don't have any will to fight.
fathom wadi
thats not true in recent years. More people are waking up since the internet. Everyone has a beef politically now. Still can't do anything about it. I mean, have you read the history of political parties of the UK? It's scary how long the Conservatives have ruled.
yet nobody likes them
north torrent
That just shows that the people of the UK are politically lazy.
fathom wadi
not really. Some are. Some don't want to deal with the horror of thinking about it. I get that. I was apathetic for most of my life. I only got interested in politics in 2006 after someone showed me Building 7. I wish I had remained ignorant.
north torrent
My opinion on the UK still stands, but doesn't really matter to me.
fathom wadi
north torrent
Not my tax dollars.
fathom wadi
north torrent
I wish I had a chip in my brain.
alpine fern
remote control chip
fathom wadi
Im pretty good at adding chips to heads :p
north torrent
With gravy?
fathom wadi
of course.
Why on earth is Red Dead Redemption 2 still £54.99? The game has an MTX system. They need to drop that price by now surely?
carmine frigate
not worth 2$ if u ask me
biggest time waste ever, sit 30 hours on a horse and find some cans of beans
carmine frigate
its not the reward thats bad, its the journey
turns off auto horse every corner so u can watch the pretty grass or something
super stupid
might aswell load up kite demo and walk around in there
you might find actual items there u can use 😛
fathom wadi
Im kind of interested in the multiplayer too. I like a good gunfight at the 'tis okay corral
carmine frigate
do u like pay to win, get killed by 1000 damage guns by ppl with no job, than this is the multiplayer game for you 🙂
and sharkcards
bring ur credit card
otherwize ur horse is 10% slower
carmine frigate
just go watch 4 of these old westerns, they are way cooler
fathom wadi
I've probably seen them all. I like a good western
carmine frigate
well its not a super old1
fathom wadi
there is a really old one thats a classic
fathom wadi
Yeah that was good too. I like Ben Foster in things. He's a superb actor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyuwBW9lNa8 one of the greatest scenes in western history 😄
carmine frigate
🙂
red dead got non of this vibe
well mayB later in the game, but it has like a 40 hour tutorial or something
its promoted as openworld, (kinda hate those) but every time i went off the path i had mission failed 😛
fathom wadi
think I will wait on it to be like £20 or so in a sale. Might check out Gears Tactics instead
north torrent
I like Red Dead Redemption 2. Haven't tried online though, I'm not really into online stuff.
signal citrus
https://youtu.be/GtRxJDb3vlw harmonica is cool
carmine frigate
my old neighbour bought an old police station to turn into a house,. it had 3 cells in there so i bought him a harmonica 😛
fathom wadi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/news/comedy-galton-and-simpson-bursary-april-2020 I was thinking perhaps the coders on The Division 2 would like to apply for this seeing as their work is a complete joke 😄
context for that btw, I bought the game it was broken. I bought the expansion knowing it was going to broken, and it was broken. They fixed was what broken, by making it broken somewhere else. Then banned people for accidentally using the broken mechanics. So yeah... bit pissed. It's still broken. Entire gear set was broken last time I checked.
did I forget to mention they added a season pass into the price of the expansion, with the intention to charge on a seasonal basis, so now its broken for an extra fee too?
sage tendon
¿
fathom wadi
I want Worse Discord. Every second word is replaced with an emoji of a sadface. really bring people down.
halcyon lake
Look at the pinned messages
bronze axle
Better Discord is a third party client of questionable quality that is prohibited by the Terms of Service.
plucky pagoda
I didn't know about that client but I've wanted to try making a few client side bots in the past. It's just not worth getting banned for something like that (even if it's easily avoided).
fathom wadi
Finally just upgraded to Fibre broadband. 75mb/18mb. Better than my 18mb/0.7mb
plucky pagoda
and I've no interest in running alts.
Nice.
Aren't those low speeds for fiber though?
fathom wadi
yeah there is a 145mb package but its not in my area yet
plucky pagoda
Still seems low for fiber, unless my brain's misfiring here. What did you have before?
I'm curious what the speeds are there.
fathom wadi
ADSL2
plucky pagoda
Oh, wow. yeah welcome to speed then.
fathom wadi
Virgin has a 1gb fibre package but Im not using that beardy twat's services
plucky pagoda
ah.
fathom wadi
it seems pointless too unless you have a gb network setup
plucky pagoda
I have about 100/20 on cable but it's like $70/month
alpine fern
damn I wish 1gb fiber was available here..
fathom wadi
Im actually getting this fibre for £5 cheaper a month, which confuses me
plucky pagoda
We're supposed to be getting it here soon. To be honest I'm surprised any one was willing to build it out here.
Nice.
Yeah, most of the time they try to offer a base package that's cheaper than the other service and still beats it a bit.
at least that's how it works here.
fathom wadi
I get it next week, so if Epic want to release 4.25 on the 9th of May, I'll send roses 😄
plucky pagoda
Like the cable company offers a slightly better than DSL package at a loss.
alpine fern
they will release it one day earlier just because
plucky pagoda
You know anything about the movie player loading screen stuff?
or multithreading with UE?
carmine frigate
hmm the fiber guys actually came by this week but they couldnt connect, bunch of concrete in the way
like i dunno there is plenty of cables comin into the house
i dont live in a WW2 bunker
think they were just lazy
plucky pagoda
Debating putting in the new garage door today.
I've got a French Door that needs to be put in to replace an old aluminum sliding door and a new garage door sitting in the garage.
Garage door seems like the easier of the two.
@carmine frigate Most installers are barely compentent and know how to do the average install and that's it.
fathom wadi
@carmine frigate Dont have to install anything for mine. They just send me a new hub and it's good to go
carmine frigate
replace installers with humans 😛
plucky pagoda
That's strange.
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda I did a website for a Garage Door company once. It was great. I learned a bit about garage doors. But the guy refused to pay me more than £60 for it even though we agreed more. It worked out at something like £1.30 an hour. So I went into the office and said I wanted paying properly. He refused. Then tried to get me to give him the website. I said not until he paid. He then said "Thats unprofessional of you". I could have spat on him for the hypocrisy there.
that was the last time I took a paid website job in fact, he never got his site.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, a lot of shaddy people everywhere.
rich quiver
so the 9th is UE4.25 release and free marketplace of the month update 🤔
bronze axle
They haven't shared a release date that I'm aware of.
They never do.
But it's pretty likely to come out next week.
That's weird. Where are they getting it from?
Probably speculation that they'll release 4.25 on the same day as the monthly Marketplace drop.
Ah, drive cleanup.
I think I enjoy that more than I should. lol
twilit sapphire
Hey all, not sure where to ask this but was thinking of starting a sort of "stickman" themed game. Im curious to know would the stickman character be copy righted ? I cant find anything conclusive on the web
pallid gust
I don't know anything about a stickman character specifically but I've found that if I even think something might be protected by copyright or intellectual property it definitely is 😂
twilit sapphire
hmm fair point 😅 should probably play it safe i guess
twilit sapphire
oh crap, you appear to be better at searching than me XD thank you man
pallid gust
Oh wow it's actually trademarked
sage tendon
Np :)
bronze axle
Man, I just ordered a gyro for lunch and there's so much meat I can barely hold the pita.
lol
sage tendon
A lot is trademarked, but you also have to consider the american and europe continents are seperate entities
What is registered in America can be free in Europe and vice versa
tulip orbit
@bronze axle Having troublle holding your meat eh?
twilit sapphire
ok, i think ill look into it a bit more, thanks again
plucky pagoda
As long as there's plenty of tzatziki
bronze axle
I can't tell. All I see is meat.
plucky pagoda
dammit, now I want a Gyro.
bronze axle
OK yeah, it's drowning in tzaziki and feta. ❤️
real palm
Fantastic
plucky pagoda
oh....
sage tendon
@twilit sapphire else call it "Stick person" 😅
plucky pagoda
Lockdown, food is the new kink. Resturants will have to be purused in private browsing.
bronze axle
@real palm Sorry. Making people hungry is one of my uh.. quirks.
plucky pagoda
Dieing for some great take out.
plucky pagoda
I'm going to have to order some lamb and pitas
bronze axle
I'm honestly thinking of taking out some of this meat and setting it aside for later. It's insane.
bronze axle
@twilit sapphire Use a pun to get around trademark issues. Call your game something like "Stick To It" or "Sticking Out" etc.
Ok here it is.
plucky pagoda
Messaged it to my wife. I give it 3 minutes before she tells me to order some.
bronze axle
😂
real palm
must ... resist ...
bronze axle
I love gyros. My girlfriend and I were craving Greek food after our apartment owners called a gyro truck here yesterday and we missed it.
real palm
By the gods!
bronze axle
Our owners have been really cool during the quarantine. They ordered us all free Jersey Mikes last week, and they've had a new food truck here every Tuesday and Friday. Feeling quite spoiled.
plucky pagoda
I use to work next door to this little greek resturant that made steak subs and gyros. It was run by this father and daughter team. and they would hook me up.
Oh man it's still there.
plucky pagoda
oh, they added a drive thru.
bronze axle
👀
carmine frigate
well think im gunna grab something to eat
plucky pagoda
Omg....
Maybe I can get my wife's work to have them cater their lunches. Then she'll bring me some home. They bring in lunch every day.
I'm seriously starving now. Going to go make food.
north torrent
I have over 1tb of free space now that I cleaned up some of my files.
bronze axle
I think I have years ago, but not in recent memory!
And... I love pastries.
And I love baking, so if I like it I'm probably going to try making my own.
plucky pagoda
Fresh baklava is amazing. It's a light pastry with this honey glaze throughout.
plucky pagoda
bronze axle
Also sounds like I'd eat too many. 😂
plucky pagoda
It has this really fine crumble of walnuts or pistachos mixed with honey between the layers. There's nothing else quite like it.
errant mulch
Oh my grandmother bakes baklava from time to time. It's awesome
fathom wadi
When I was kid, our school used to serve us Hungarian Goulash. When I left school, I never ate it again and always wondered why. I loved it.
zinc matrix
fathom wadi
TFW you look for a tutorial and end up on this page. https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/announcements-and-releases/1745504-a-new-community-hosted-unreal-engine-wiki
I think the community wiki POM'd this image. The irony 😄
TFW when you use S as the shortcut to a scalar param, and it decides you rename it automatically for you 😄
frigid moon
oh so locations are locations and rotations are rotations...
fathom wadi
there is some really whacky focus issues for using shortcuts and renaming things in mat editor.
Just a thought, but with Parallax Occlusion Mapping tutorial, it seems like the setup is the same each time (I guess im a noob with mats). So why doesn't it just reduce the nodes and have that done automatically?
https://www.ue4community.wiki/images/3/32/POM_MatFunction_Input.PNG see this seems like you would have to do this each time. Kind of a ballache to remember for starters.
sand gust
is ryzen 5 3600 worth upgrading to some ryzen 7 ?
fathom wadi
im still on an i7-4790k so I would be the wrong person to ask
fathom wadi
it's lasted me since the GTX 970 gpu days so it's doing well. Got a 1080ti in my system atm and its only just starting to feel like I need an upgrade
fathom wadi
This was the first thing I wanted when they added the level editor version. MORE OF THEM !
broken sigil
doing editor extensions for ue4 is a massive pain in the a**
plucky pagoda
I want something that's a hyrbrid between discord and a forum.
median wraith
So a forum
raw rose
plucky pagoda
omg, I may have underestimated how much work putting in this garage door was going to be. I forgot I had to replace all the outer trim. I also had thought I'd reuse the old rails, and that's a nope.
It's not really a lot of work, but I'm out of shape .
novel latch
how the f can you write a bot on youtube that spams the same message on a huge amount of videos without being detected as spam bot? 🤔
mild root
I want something that's a hyrbrid between discord and a forum.
@plucky pagoda slack has threads
alpine fern
why couldn't you moderate from home just fine
novel latch
no vpn, no access to mod power
I'm still surprised it doesn't get automatically detected
jovial talon
I was wondering that too Zeb
probably some kind of privacy thing
At home they can't check what they do with the data
north torrent
It is nice to wake up, turn on my computer, and see a clean desktop and over a TB of free ssd space to work with.
tough sierra
Maybe someone here will know the answer.
Anyone have any idea how to learn math in a way that explains the "why" of things and involves agency? I can program 2D convex physics but writing it into "math" syntax seems impossible.
tough sierra
I can play music by ear but never learned sheet music, this feels a similar problem.
You mean rgb stuff?
tough sierra
Interesting ^-^
north torrent
RGB is one aspect of color theory.
tough sierra
Oh yeah we talked about how you were doing character design right?
Unless i got names mixed up again.
north torrent
Color theory involves not only the science of the human eye and the science of computer display technology, but also the more psychological and artistic impact those choices make.
It is used in different ways in cinematography, costume design, advertising, and all sorts of different fields.
tough sierra
As someone who's been through some drastic perception shifts in his life though I can understand that music and perhaps art in general gives a different impression based on the personality.
Though there's generalities.
north torrent
Some elements are universal, while others are not.
Sometimes within your game or other medium you can create connections with colors that don't exist outside of that context.
tough sierra
Also sorry for any spelling errors my font changed and spellcheck no longer works since the pc restarted.
I totally agree with you.
Games are an artform.
north torrent
I think it is important to recognize when you are using each of the 3.
None of this stuff is about having an answer or knowing what will work with 100% of people.
It is more just about being conscious about what each decision you make means and trying to use it to tell a story.
Or being able to observe other media and have the language and understanding to analyze those choices.
The difference between really liking a movie but not knowing why, and really liking a movie and being able to explain why then using what you learned to help you in your own art.
tough sierra
Mhm it's somewhat an empathy thing ^-^
Low level programmers seem to have a tendancy to like games that are sandboxy in nature since there's ways to relate I think.
Especially when you're exploring a high possibility space by the interconnectidness of the building blocks your given.
north torrent
The higher the possibilities, the more work for the developer. Always something to consider.
tough sierra
Not exactly true but maybe generally.
Though i do tend to underestimate bug and balance fixes that'd be required.
Actually yeah building the founation to make it interesting is hard.
north torrent
I guess a lot of it has to do with whether or not you want to add context to those wide range of sandbox activities. Tie it into other elements of the media like music, story, visuals.
If it is something that just exists on a gameplay level then it is not as much of an expansion in workload.
tough sierra
Very interesting point.
Speaking of which.
Ever played doom 2016?
I go back to it occasionally, prefer brutal doom most times but the one thing I love about the game is how the music plays into the gameplay. Or reflects it rather.
Even if not perfectly.
I suspect something like that would be perfect to add more depth in such a genre.
north torrent
Too much shoot shoot stuff for me.
tough sierra
It's more on the gore/rage/adrenaline side of things.
It's a hard feeling to describe.
It feels relatable to some metal music actually.
north torrent
I like games with cute animals.
tough sierra
Understandable.
On an interesting note, i'm normally one to be cautous of emotions such as anger and fear. Since I believe them to almost never if not ever be useful.
north torrent
My goal is to allow the play to approach problems using his or her own mind and ideas. Not play a pre-chosen linear path.
But at the same time not sacrificing the fidelity of the story, the uniquely chosen music for the moments, and the feeling that the world reacts to you.
tough sierra
Yup that means a high possibility space; you have to let them build the path.
north torrent
I'm the kind of person who will build a giant amazing city in Civ 6 and then get annoyed that none of the other characters in the game recognize its greatness.
I want the player to do what he or she wants but I want the game to recognize that with the art.
That means making sacrifices in each area.
tough sierra
Reminds me of fallout new vegas a bit if you consider build archtypes.
north torrent
Though by sacrificing scale I hope I can keep the sacrifices to the art side of things and the infinite sandbox things to a minimum.
tough sierra
It's super hard to want to play a dumb character that kills everyone though.
north torrent
One of my theories is to have less mechanics but more freedom to use said mechanics to solve problems.
I think modern AAA open world games give you tons and tons of tools, and it is hard to develop creative problem solving solutions for 20 different tools.
tough sierra
Tons of tools?
north torrent
So you have a lake that is a kilometer wide and 10 centimeters deep.
tough sierra
Huh tons of weapons, yeah you have a good point.
They don't often seem very creative oriented though.
north torrent
You can shoot things, you can use stealth and stab things, you can use your bird to scope out the area, you can climb things, you can craft things, you can drive cars... The more different things you add the harder it is to develop for all of them equally.
I saw a video on this before, actually.
tough sierra
Honestly i agree because they aren't exactly building blocks.
north torrent
tough sierra
Ah fallout 4, i think it'd have been tons better if they took out level scaling. it felt horrible at endgame because of that.
Fallout nv was jarring due to not having it, but it felt a lot better on replays.
north torrent
I really like Fallout 4, but it certainly has a lot of flaws.
But I expect flaws from all large open world games, whether than be Red Dead 2 or Mass Effect Andromeda or Assassin's Creed.
median wraith
go and try Generation Zero lmao
tough sierra
Already did actually.
It's pretty interesting for an indie title.
They cut back crafting a crapton to be super basic, your mostly just grinding with the same ish enemies, it's more atmosphere focused. Huh reminds me of the first three resident evil games.
And savage lands.
He's right you should try it.
north torrent
Maybe someday.
median wraith
oh nice
Didn't know Avalanche Studios was indie lmao
such as Just Cause another indie title
north torrent
Maybe anything that isn't a company flagship game is now Indie.
tough sierra
Looks like he's talking about skinner box a bit.
Err not exactly.
But some techniques used to exploit it relate, using flashy stuff.
Wait it's not indie?
I just assumed it was because of the quality on the product and it's approach.
median wraith
Do you think a indie studio could have the Avalanche engine ?
is a sub company of the Just Cause studio
tough sierra
Either i never looked into it or it's the one engine you have to pay for that's very uncommon for anyone to use.
median wraith
aka will bet its a copy paste from the hunt game
have the same menu, same graphics even same textures
The Hunter Call of the Wild
tough sierra
The weird ass quirks of this game though...
It's surprising to think it's not indie.
tough sierra
And a lot of it's assets being reused, though the level design being somewhat good.
Yeah like they lost gas.
median wraith
isn't balanced in any way
tough sierra
For reference i only got as far as the first bunker in it.
median wraith
like at first make sense use weapons
later was playing with a friend and at middle of the peninsula nothing makes sense
you expect at first to find something like a better version of sir your being hunt
tough sierra
Some of my buds said they blew a boss 10 feet or higher into the air with a radio trap but it shrugged it off like nothing.
median wraith
but you find call of duty with water weapons
we spend 1000 bullets each one
to kill a single bot
median wraith
desync of enemies like
I see enemies my friend don't see
I read that before of the comments but until I didn't see it on my own well
In other hand as core decent point compared to any other open world game on earth
tough sierra
It's happened to us.
median wraith
the enemies system in decent compared to the rest on the basis you run away etc and the bodies keep there and the killed enemies don't respawn and its like a permanent world while the sesion keeps alive
tough sierra
Two of them fell through the terrain as there's a tiny crack in it, for some weird reason.
median wraith
My friend see the big mechs bodies fly after I loot them
so he cannot take their loot
XD
median wraith
but we had a good laugh yesterday with all the bugs and no sense things
flying with the bikes and random things with these
tough sierra
Ever played legend of legaia? It reminds me of that. Good interesting mechanics, but lacked thorough sensible implementation.
median wraith
there is desync with bikes too, and each one see the other in a 3m distance error
nope but my friend name some game
called scum ?
tough sierra
That might be because they travel faster.
Honestly i'm not very well versed on newer stuff.
median wraith
yeah and then
the fast travel, the respawn without penalty, the bikes in a world with mechs
tough sierra
Where it was safer and more quiet to travel with bikes than it is to sprint.
median wraith
makes of the game a no sense sandbox
tough sierra
It looked like an added feature to solve the logistics problem later in dev.
median wraith
they added crafting
there are like 6 different materials
and you can only craft clothes
north torrent
So, Mr. Koi, do you think you could design a sandbox game that only consists of one single room in a building?
median wraith
@north torrent its called Gmod
tough sierra
Hmm. If yo uwent heavy on building mechanics sure. There's examples.
That and there's factory styled games that involve only one room.
Gmod is honestly dope, building a bilista looks fun. It reminds me of the "forge" from the halo series.
We need something like that which lets you add scripted and custom AI characters.
So you can build and level design scenes and battles with other players for fun.
I always wanted the ability to spawn the cov in the halo series in the forge editor >.<
Ah just incase, anyone happen to know an interactive and agency oriented way to learn math especially in it's written form?
north torrent
Mr. Hevedy likes math.
north torrent
I like duck pizza.
tough sierra
I need a way to expiroment though.
A way to test theories.
I've built convex physics before.
But figuring out how to write the shit down in a way that translates into "math" syntax is the painful part.
That's what makes programming so much easier.
I want two things, to learn the "why" and to find some way to ineractively learn or at least apply it to the real world to solve something interesting.
north torrent
I've never taken a high level math class in my life.
tough sierra
Basic geometry by chance?
north torrent
I got behind in math in High School and just sort of guessed my way through most of it. I am good at taking tests, even on subject I don't know anything about... it is an odd skill.
I did like geometry.
But that was decades ago.
One time I had to calculate the correct curve for a Gothic era pointed arch to build a tool in 3ds max. I figured it out somehow.
tough sierra
The video you linked reminds me of 7 days to die.
Death has real consequences.
Seems we can relate somewhat.
north torrent
I probably could have been good at math if I had grown up in a different education system.
I actually think I have more aptitude for things like that than I ever have for art.
But I find art more fun.
ancient ingot
@north torrent give me bread!
north torrent
@ancient ingot https://youtu.be/qphUrncWitg?t=73
tough sierra
BronevCURSE part of the fun is spending hours reloading a save over and over so that you can pickpocket some cool looking necklace out of a random shop-keep, or finally being alone in a house so you can have the pure joy of spamming picking up items as you run around
Best item: Scroll of Icarian Flight
-Game: Morowind
1. Introduced with a character screaming loudly and falling in front of you.
2. Gives you 3, so you just have to try it out.
3. Awesome effect of flying across map in one move.
4. DEATH
That video is blocked for me.
Youtube can fuck off >.<
Sorry.
Meh might be a good reason. I just remember being blocked from some videos for absolutely no sane reason.
north torrent
You can't block Guan Yu...
But the video was for Mr. MXMXMXIXMXIOXOXIOXMXO anyways.
ancient ingot
haha he shot me !!
tough sierra
7d2d allows players to tweek specific difficulty settings instead of just one list of easy through hard.
Which is amazing honestly.
You might want something like that.
north torrent
I want an OLED monitor with HDR1000, but they don't exist yet.
ancient ingot
i'll take 2 😄
tough sierra
Yes.
north torrent
What if you just made a game that was really, really hard for anyone without the best of the best hardware to run. A game with just one level and no depth, but people would buy it just to see if their computer would run it.
Get people on YouTube to use it as a benchmark when testing out hardware on their channels.
fluid bloom
samsung is apparently shutting down their LCD manufacturing lines
and converting them into OLED manufacturing lines
ancient ingot
@north torrent that's why we have crysis 😉
median wraith
Add to partner system?
This will allow Game Jolt Partners to be able to download the game for free, and give them a 10% cut of sales they refer to your game.
LOL
So, not only give them what you made for free but a 10% cot of every sale
🤖
ancient ingot
🤣 makes sense right...........
north torrent
Benchmark Tournament 4
ancient ingot
🤣
tough sierra
Anyone know of a good budget gaming laptop? Would like to get my niece something for that and 3D art dev since that'd be her thing.
fathom wadi
gaming on a laptop is for mentalists and people who have $2k+ for a laptop :p
tough sierra
Well i'd get her a proper pc.
But she has sisters.
And something for school would help.
Actually fuck it a pc it is.
She's got her own room and I don't think her rowdy ass sisters are allowed in.
fathom wadi
you can't go wrong with a gaming PC these days. Cheap as chips. Maybe laptops are now too tbh. I dunno, I never use them
fluid bloom
the problem with laptops is their size
they can't effectively vent the heat due to the form factor
which throttles them quite a bit
I mean, for example my 14" work laptop can run its CPU at 3.6 GHz but after ten seconds or so it throttles all cores down to 2.4 GHz since they heat up too much
tough sierra
Someone forked me this.
Oof.
And graphics drivers i hear is a bitch to deal with.
One laptop had trouble running wow without switching to integrated graphics.
Last one I got was having issues since i installed graphics drivers >.<
Screw it gaming PC it is.
fathom wadi
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1256712647388598278?s=20 Youtube censoring opinions and thoughts now.
Twitter
people calling for him to be banned on social media are fucking dangerous people.
I think he's half a lunatic myself, but to censor his opinions is a milestone towards censoring everyone.
The video service, owned by Google, told the BBC: "YouTube has clear policies prohibiting any content that disputes the existence and transmission of Covid-19 as described by the WHO and the NHS."
hey are backed by the Centre for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) WTF?
I was 8 in 1984. Im 43 and it's still 1984
bold fulcrum
Is it a surprise for you ?
fathom wadi
it's surprising they get away with it and people are clapping like it's a good thing.
it's all good until they censor you right?
ancient ingot
im glad it was done to stop people being hurt by the virus, but should he further be censored, no, likewise i think hes a total cock, but we cannot start censoring people for no reason, virus or no virus.
fluid bloom
free speech doesn't apply to youtube
you can get banned from here too for example
if you act like an idiot
ancient ingot
free speech always comes at a cost
fluid bloom
people also seem to think that freedom of speech somehow means freedom from consequences
fathom wadi
@ancient ingot anyone who takes Icke's advice seriously isn't going to be helped by silencing him.
@fluid bloom he wasn't attacking anyone, he was conveying his thoughts and opinions. That is the point of free speech entirely. To be allowed to think and speak freely. Consequences are one thing, censorship is another.
You could have told Hitler he was a bellend, and there were consequences but does it make them right?
fluid bloom
yeah, youtube is a privately owned thing and they can choose what kind of content gets on it
fathom wadi
a privately owned company that uses child labour
fathom wadi
that ok?
not the first time either
maybe we should silence the newspapers next for talking about it.
fluid bloom
you're one of those people that think someone is guilty until proven innocent?
I'm just gonna wait until there's a verdict
north torrent
Multi-billion dollar corporations are always guilty. Otherwise they would have multi-billions of dollars.
zinc matrix
Uhm
Yeah I'd say that it depends on whose running the shitshow
It might be that they're backing it, but it's the managers in scene that are responsible depending on circumstances like the financing of safety measures
north torrent
Either way, something illegal is going on if a company has that much money. People don't just legally become billionaires.
fathom wadi
@fluid bloom nice sidestep. Dude they have been caught before.
north torrent
$20,000,000 off of hard work... maybe... $2,000,000,000 off of hard work, I don't believe for a second.
fathom wadi
anyway, contrarians aside,
ask a billionaire if they have on their tax return. Lies will ensue 😄
north torrent
I honestly think that the law should require all news articles in any media to write out numbers like The $2 trillion stimulus bill as $2,000,000,000,000 just so people are forced to think about how crazy the number is.
I think that alone would create a better world.
north torrent
Well, they can be exempt from the law if they ever get a newspaper.
fathom wadi
Daily Star in the UK, 50p. Daily Star in Zimbabwe, 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 ^e
north torrent
You assume they have a Daily Star...
Should I eat pizza, chicken, or bbq?
Or bbq chicken pizza?
Ooooo... the Muslim place sells beer, that's a new one.
fathom wadi
why? I know several muslim places here that sell beer
Pretty sure selling it isn't the issue
I might be ignorant of that but its a presumption based on UK life
north torrent
Alcoholic beer isn't covered in Halal.
But no reason they have to follow Halal just because they make the style off food eaten in the Muslim regions.
It is just a bit interesting.
fathom wadi
one of the best and worst things about filing a tax return in a year you earned £0, is that it takes 2 minutes but you earned nothing. 😦
north torrent
It took me a lot more than 2 minutes to file for $0...
But I had to submit my Chinese working information to the US IRS.
People in China don't even understand the concept of filing a tax return. I tried to explain it once, didn't go well.
fathom wadi
how much tax I owe for a £0 year. I shall send them a Tally Stick instead.
north torrent
That's a lot of money.
fathom wadi
it is when you just ran out of savings and now have to go pimp yourself to get it
north torrent
Should I translate the Chinese or the Arabic off this menu?
fathom wadi
depends which way your head is angled
sage tendon
A platoon of sheeps
north torrent
Sounds tasty.
sage tendon
I dont think bacon is made of sheep
north torrent
You might be able to make sheep bacon. I haven't tried.
tough sierra
Why not?
north torrent
The bbq place delivered me warm beer... Did they not think I was going to drink the beer with my bbq?
Or do they just want me to drink warm beer?
tough sierra
@fathom wadi Since you brought up the subject, what's your perspective of companies pushing to make 2fa mandatory?
Not exactly the same but relatable.
north torrent
What is 2fa, a type of beer?
tough sierra
2 factor authentification.
sage tendon
I think its better, in current days world, to onlt use the sheep for wool
The lambs however..
tough sierra
Basically using a phone as a secondary auth source to log into something.
north torrent
That's a pain in the ass and generally means I won't be able to use said service.
tough sierra
What about the morality of ti though? The fact it'd be "mandatory" "for the user's own good"
sage tendon
With 2FA it doesnt matter if your password gets leaked
tough sierra
Reminds me of seat belt laws >.>
north torrent
People who travel are totally screwed with that. If you have your Google account set up in the US, but you are in Japan, you are screwed trying to get that text message.
sage tendon
So its saver to use it than not
tough sierra
No no no this isn't about it being optional. The mandatory part i personally have an axe to grind about.
And yeah somewhat true, people have lost their accounts because of that crap.
Rarely but it happens.
north torrent
If I can use my email, I am fine with that.
But not a phone number that is locked to a particular country.
Do you drink warm beer?
I bet Mr. Rogerson drinks warm beer.
tough sierra
I'm very biased, and i've talked about this in here before, because as with twitch for example, i can no longer stream because I don't own a phone. There's no way around it to deal with it. And for ebt (used to be called food stamps) as of now you need to deal with 2fa to check how much is on the card online. As far as signing up i'm not sure.
Warm apple cider booze is nice.
fathom wadi
@tough sierra 2fa being mandatory is a good thing if you have access to the device they sent the authentication to. When you don't, you are fubared, so it needs an adequate fallback.
tough sierra
The 2fa thing for twitch is to cover their own ass since they had their front page littered with porn.
There is no fallback either.
north torrent
I often have the device, but no phone signal to said device, because I am literally on the opposite side of the globe drinking warm beer.
tough sierra
Here's my other question about it.
What's to stop any company from taking advantage of mandatory 2fa? Say for example doing stuff like adding spyware to the app that'd be required to install on one's phone.
Who would even care or find out?
tough sierra
Does steam and twitch allow it by chance?
fathom wadi
steam does, not sure about twitch
tough sierra
Back got dc'd
I spent months trying to figure out how
There was complaints all over the place about steam not allowing voip numbers.
sage tendon
Dc'd?
tough sierra
Modem reset.
mossy nexus
Twitch has a desktop app 2fa
tough sierra
Interesting.
I tried everything back when the shit first started.
The desktop app required a phone number.
Unless they are doing something new.
mossy nexus
ah, yes it's still asking for a phone number.
mind you, could be a landline number I suppose
tough sierra
VOIP doesn't work though.
Sucks cause textnow is what i use to make phone calls since didn't want to spend monthly to talk to people through voice/text.
Which seems redonculus.
And that aside doesn't feel right giving them a phone number when there's no reason for it.
That's too close to someone's personal identity.
Now if it was for reasons related to recieving income from ads that's understandable.
Now all this aside.
Why on earth, is it not bothering anyone else when something becomes mandatory "for your own good".
north torrent
Maybe they are too busy worrying about the fact that they can't get healthcare.
tough sierra
Dang i'm an idealist mixed with a realist and am so confused about the world.
I don't remember hearing those complaints in the US at least before healthcare was mandatory.
fathom wadi
me 2
tough sierra
Which again, really pissed me off from the start.
fathom wadi
I like how the world is ran by paedophiles. That really makes my day sit well. But nothing will be done about it. Even the Epstein case has sunk into virtual obscurity
north torrent
Just because you didn't hear the people's deaths doesn't make them any less dead.
tough sierra
Everyone's got flws though.
It's hard to get perfect people to do everything.
See that might be true.
north torrent
Just have to kill the ones who aren't perfect and you will eventually find the perfect ones.
tough sierra
There's that idealist part of me that's used to the old ways where families were responsible for building their wealth for emergencies and future generations. Hospitals weren't supposed to turn down patients you'd just get slapped with a bill.
north torrent
People going bankrupt from seeing a doctor was never ok.
tough sierra
Now compare it to these days. From my perspective at least people are using healthcare more than necessary when it doesn't cost them personally (adds cost), the fact it's mandatory means that prices might be easier to minipulate and obscure (maybe i'm wrong here), and docters are encouraged to give expensive treatments for money's sake without much consequence. What does anyone care if they aren't personally picking up the tab? Honestly the big thing that's specifically getting to me is the pharmacy related stuff. Medications perscribed for all kinds of shit now and so many people I know taking all kinds of scary shit. There is no such thing as free healthcare someone has to pick up the tab. This coming from someone who's got free healthcare since am legally blind and take a gov check eery month. There should be help for people that need it but this doesn't feel the way.
Also.
It takes people to manage all that money, your paying someone to hold your money for you in the long term just incase you take injury assuming your paying for said insurance.
Since you can't say no.
What's to stop them from jacking up the price?
It'd have been better to just add some extra tax and put in programs for people that needed the emergency assistance.
north torrent
Sounds like something someone who has only lived in the United States and is indoctrinated by the United States would say.
tough sierra
Possibly.
It's weird coming from someone who survives currently on social security, but has a capatilist set of ideals.
north torrent
But every other industrialized nation in the world has healthcare that is about half as cheap as the US with less waiting times and happier patients.
The US pays the most for not optimal service.
fathom wadi
We have free medical care in the UK but the waiting lists are huge
north torrent
I am sure there are multiple ways to fix the US healthcare system. But if you think it isn't broke you are just dead wrong and you opinion is invalid.
tough sierra
I think it should be free and managed for those that need it to survive or live at all healthy, but it's forcing everyone to take healthcare which puts the responsibility in the company's hands to pay for everything, so they want people to abuse the system.
north torrent
The waiting lists in the UK are about the same as the US, just they are free and long as opposed to expensive and long.
tough sierra
It's for sure not working ideally.
fathom wadi
Also, the general practitioners in this country are useless from my experience. It takes years for them to take you seriously. Also they don't even google a problem when they don;t know. I went with an issue with my foot, that was perfectly described on the NHS website. It took3 years to get diagnosed with a Morton's Neuroma. Then they injected it with a steroid and made it worse.
tough sierra
I'm apoosed to it being forced on people that don't want it mostly. If your saving up for yourself there's no need to be paying for shit you don't need, now if your paying for others, doing so through tax and letting it being managed directly by gov programs makes more sense to me since there's less wiggle room for corruption.
We get that issue here to but it depends where you live.
THe US is a very big place.
fathom wadi
The hospitals here are top notch tho for a free service
north torrent
The idea of having a private for profit healthcare system isn't going to work.
It isn't the same rules as the capitalism of buying a new TV.
If a TV is too expensive you just don't buy it and go somewhere else to spend your money.
If life saving medicine is too expensive, it doesn't matter, you have to do into debt to get it anyways. That or just die.
solid aurora
you know what is the best system for health care in general ?
tough sierra
That' sjust it you used to have choices between providers and yo ucould just say fuck it and not use any.
solid aurora
you pay as long as you are healthy
tough sierra
They changed that to where yo u"have" to use someone and the choices seem limited.
solid aurora
it's best exploitation of human nature
neon iris
It’s a problem everywhere Marc. Usually they’ll nod their head then give you a pregnancy test 😜
tough sierra
Honestly being a proper docter is hard shit.
north torrent
If the young and healthy people all just chose to not pay into the healthcare, then the prices for the old and the sick would be astronomical and a large amount of them would die.
Then when those young people get cancer or get old and need care, and the prices are too high to afford now, because they were out using that money of gaming PCs before, then that previously young and healthy person now dies.
tough sierra
And the irs bills for not having healthcare is friggin insane >.>
I somewhat agree but not entirely.
Why not have taxes cover some of it?
Cut out the middle man.
north torrent
There is a reason we have a society. Better for us all to just pay a little bit throughout our lives and care for the community as a whole, then to have astronomical charges that surprise us or hit us in old age when we are most vulnerable.
The young help out the old.
I am happy to pay money to the collective society so old people don't have to live in fear.
neon iris
Found one insurance that had a 8500 deductible. It covered nothing. Literally nothing. What is the point of it?
solid aurora
it's only reason to get you think you are heatly so you pay again
north torrent
That's the end goal, Mr. Koi.
If you think the current plan is the end game, then I will be honest with you and say that you might want to pay more attention to current events before commenting on them.
The current Affordable Healthcare Act was just the first step toward something different. And a lot of the times change causes a lot of pain until things slowly start to adapt.
Those are just a scam you pay for to have 'proof' of insurance without actually having insurance, Mr. Tide.
neon iris
I noticed
tough sierra
Would have just been easier to put in programs specifically designed to pay for healthcare that's outside of people's income rate. I don't trust gov in general but when they aren't personally benifiting it's at least safer.
neon iris
Not a mr.
This whole system is a scam.
north torrent
I don't trust the government, but I trust them a lot more than private corporations with CEOs who make their money off stock buybacks.
tough sierra
That's the point we both agree on.
north torrent
So I would have the government run my healthcare any day over private for profit companies and corporations who are only loyal to the stock holders.
tough sierra
Which that makes sense.
north torrent
But just because you said it would be easier doesn't make it so.
People in the US don't want to pay taxes, so raising taxes is a very difficult thing to do in the US legislative system.
tough sierra
Though would be nicer to target it more specifically and optimize so that not everyone gets the full range of crap if they can afford not to have it, or maybe that's a bit too strict.
So in other words it was a trick to make them buy into it since it gave the promise of being "free"?
north torrent
Look at the US government like you have a brother who loves to spend money and buy expensive things, but he doesn't want to ever work and earn money.
The US government earns money through taxes, but they don't want to earn, they don't want to cut down on spending, they just want to spend money without earning.
tough sierra
Which doesn't exist >.<
neon iris
The high medical expenses is due to health insurance itself. They try to get a discount for you. In response, medical industry raised the price across the board. There’s your coveted discount.
north torrent
Private insurance needs to go.
tough sierra
That's my point, it's an unecessary middle man if healthcare is supposed to be more managed.
north torrent
Beyond that I don't know how to fix things, but I'm sure someone will figure it out.
tough sierra
You'd be amazed the prices for medications i've seen, for stuff like depression and adhd.
And I swear a lot of people are taking them when they really aught not to be.
north torrent
You would be amazed in the opposite direction if you saw the amount I can walk into a pharmacy and buy it for without using insurance.
neon iris
Would like a tax deductible medical account at least. Like HSA but accessible to everyone
north torrent
Stuff that costs thousands in the US I can get for about $10.
neon iris
There’s a common adhd medicine that cost anywhere from 300-900 per month
north torrent
Some you need a prescription for, some you don't. But I can see a doctor for about $15. Just walk in, talk to her, maybe get a blood test or something, and then get my prescription.
I have health insurance but I don't know how to use it. It would probably be cheaper with that.
tough sierra
Do they still use strong stimulents similar to speed or was it cocane in those pills?
neon iris
Seems like it
north torrent
When I had an ulcer I saw a doctor, got a blood test, got an ultrasound, all for $15 and it took less than an hour.
Then I got my medicine for $4.
tough sierra
The reason they work is that they burn you out super fast, basically fries your brain.
neon iris
People complain about high resting heart rate and paranoia
tough sierra
Damn nice, though i'm not sure hoe expensive that is where yo ulive at.
Yeah speaking of which...
north torrent
Even if you pay $400 a month for health insurance through your full time job in the US, you still have to pay $150 copay to get that same doctor visit I got for $15.
tough sierra
Th eone i'm helping through college I Can't tell if he's just having panic attacks or other issues, he's always complaining about heart rate and being dizzy/disoriented and generally feeling like shit.
neon iris
More like $30 for general doctor
tough sierra
Or having trouble breathing when it got bad.
Jeeze hopefully i won't need insurance when I get out of social security income >.<
north torrent
But China doesn't have universal healthcare. The hospitals are just owned by China and not a private for profit company needing to pay for the CEOs third yacht.
So the hospital doesn't need to make a profit. China pays for the building and the employees so you just pay for what the medicine actually costs.
neon iris
Can only say this with confidence because I’ve been shopping for a new health insurance. Such a joy
north torrent
And China has a lot less money with 4x as many people as the US, but they can take care of the sick better.
tough sierra
But then, does it actually manage them well? If there's no competititon things can get stale.
north torrent
Sounds like United States indoctrination talking again.
tough sierra
The issue we have here is when either through some bs law or by lack of care taken against forming monopolies, a couple big companies fuck everything over when they grow sufficiently.
north torrent
You will never hear anyone from any other part of the world say a sentence like that.
tough sierra
I think a balance is required honestly.
For profit for some things does make sense if it's just a bunch of small fish trying to actually put out quality because they have to by law of nature. Since people have some choice. A couple big fish seem to ruin it all though.
north torrent
Healthcare is a different thing.
tough sierra
Very agreed.
north torrent
I am not advocating Communism for your gaming computer or the clothes you wear or the food you eat.
Just saying the government should pay for police, fire services, and hospitals.
And roads.
Maybe public transportation.
Take all those coal miners that are out of work and on unemployment and have them help dig some subway tunnels so we can have public transportation in the US.
I'm sure those guys like digging.
tough sierra
I've mostly lived in smaller populated areas. We used to have a lot of little clinics to pick from. If one docter sucked he got less patients. Since the bigger hospitals moved in, and since they got taken over by a monopoly that moved in from out of state (and effectively shut down all the small clinics in this part of the state) shit got horrible.
north torrent
Capitalism is not good for competition any more than letting people cheat at a videogame is good for competition.
The level of competition doesn't rise when you let people cheat, it just makes people get good at cheating and not the game itself.
fathom wadi
I'm sure there are many theories about how to run the world but they are all pipe dreams. The world is a business. It is ran by those who are the shittiest, most despicable people in the world, who live in secret societies and plot against the uprising of equality and parity in lifestyles and financial securities. In order for them to be there, they must exploit. And they will not, ever, relinquish that control.
neon iris
It’s devious to extort people for their ability to live
north torrent
Corporation Stock Buybacks for example are a way for corporations to manipulate stock value without having to actually get better products or services.
tough sierra
I dont' think it's always the awful people that obtian power it's just the ones that stick out the most.
north torrent
Well... I could make a better phone to sell... or I could just buy back my own stocks...
Let's just stick with a bad phone and buyback stocks.
tough sierra
Honestly the whole stock market makes no sense to me. Not sure why a compnay would even want to lease part of it's ownership.
north torrent
Money.
fathom wadi
When someone like Zuckerberg earns billions, and gives a measly $25million that fell out of his pocket that day, to COVID, you know these scum are against us. It was a publicity stunt no more. Jack Dorsey gave 24% of his entire wealth to help with COVID and he's one of the biggest deceivers on the face of the planet.
tough sierra
Can't business owners fork themselve swhatever salary they want?
I might be wrong in that assumption.
north torrent
No offense, but I'm not going to teach a whole class on how the stock market works.
I do still want to make a videogame where the core mechanic is being a trader.
rich quiver
most big corporations wont survive after the outbreak ends
north torrent
Going from town to town and trading goods, doing currency exchanges, avoiding towns that manipulate the currency by melting down the silver coins to be smaller amounts of silver, getting loans to buy more items and hoping to make a big profit but then getting robbed and being in debt.
dark cape
Hey guys, what's going on
north torrent
I actually have a lot of hope for the future right now, Mr. 4, which is something I haven't felt in at least 3 years.
fathom wadi
Here is how stock market trading works. If you are up in the echelons / top tier of trading firms, you wait for knowledge to land on your desk that is almost a dead cert. The rest of us gamble. Thats why they are the top companies and we are all sifting through the penny stocks.
north torrent
So if a game has a large map, and up in the northern part you can get furs from trappers and hunters, but they don't have a wide variety of fruit. You could sell the fruit you got from the south in a village in the north for a lot of money, then you can buy furs for $12. Travel down south and sell those for $45.
tough sierra
I don't think it's so bad if you know what technologies are going to be trending.
Ah
That reminds me of... What was it...
"Big muther trucker"
Lol it's an old game cube game that's a bit wacky but has such an economy.
Different goods had different prices in different areas as they made it seem like some areas produce more of some things and need different things than others.
north torrent
I don't have the resources to make a large map though, so I am just rambling. Maybe someday.
fathom wadi
of course you do
tough sierra
Hey the dream is important.
fathom wadi
the amount of free assets I have is enough for 10 games with large maps
tough sierra
I'll feel like a dick for it but i might yonk the assets off ue4's free giveaways, pretty sure that's allowed. To use in custom engines.
Not even animating but just setting up animations is a bitch >.<
fathom wadi
you cant
north torrent
Pretty sure that is not allowed.
Pretty sure you will literally get sued for that.
fathom wadi
all assets for free are licensed to UE4
tough sierra
Huh i could swear I read somewhere you were allwed to export them and use elsewhere.
fathom wadi
nope
tough sierra
The art assets to?
fathom wadi
everything
north torrent
You can export them to Blender or something to edit and put back into Unreal.
fathom wadi
if you buy something on the marketplace, you can use that anywhere I believe
north torrent
They don't stop you from exporting, but that is different that the legal right to use them in your own engine.
fathom wadi
doing a 2d game?
tough sierra
Hopefully a fun 2D rts.
north torrent
Why would anyone want to not use Unreal anyways? Doesn't make sense.
fathom wadi
because its not the best option for all cases
tough sierra
Am dicking around unigine right now and havn't decided on 3d vs 2d but even if i have to use 3D models maybe for something like that I'll have the skill to make my own assets anyway.
fathom wadi
if I was doing a 2d game, I'd be using Adobe (spit) Animate
tough sierra
It's absolutely not the best option for a large scale rts.
fathom wadi
Not a fan of Uniengine's pricing myself. Seems excessive
north torrent
If you can't make it in Unreal, why make it?
tough sierra
Unigine makes a super nice rendering engine though if you treat it as such.
fathom wadi
because game dev being limited to one engine limits game dev
north torrent
Is that a bad thing?
fathom wadi
yes
tough sierra
That's the only reason i'm using that engine honestly, they have nice mesh instancing that doesn't take a ton of work to use.
It's bad depending on the goals.
fathom wadi
HISM is great
tough sierra
They are.
Getting around actors though.
A nightmare.
I was doing some testing a while ago. I think you already heard the story no?
fathom wadi
nope dont think so
tough sierra
Well to be honest i was doing things a bit too conventional in a way, wanted to make BP's work as a way of doing high level logic.
Well.
Basically i ended up with 4k individual grass actors, I wanted each of them to have a grass mesh that could be destoryed/burned or whatever else at runtime. That requires a lot of "instances"
Well i did two main tests.
First conventionally, letting it spawn in a unique static mesh as per normal, the engine didn't really optimize for this obviously.
The fps was 20
Or less.
I had to make a custom hism manager that would act as a tmap of mesh types that was searched by fnames.
So that each actor just had a single instance of said mesh, they'd just need to supply the name.
Might be slightly wrong in that detail.
Wait i am.
fathom wadi
you should try find a whitepaper or the person who made the system for Ubisoft. I actually wanted to do that myself a couple of years ago but with the current foliage system in UE4, it was a case of spoofing so much of it
tough sierra
No it was a tmap of meshes which held a collection of instances or something like that, but this upped the fps from 20 to 90+
See the thing is
I needed to avoid the foliage system.
Because I wanted this to be a crafting game.
7 days to die style for example.
fathom wadi
yeah then you have to create a new foliage system that accounts for it. Which isn't a simple task in performant terms
tough sierra
Meaning i needed some way to type every single type of block, foliage, whatever else in the world and add unique behaviour based on that.
Correct.
So i figured out how to get it to perform ideally. Worked with BPs to.
fathom wadi
so a TMAP hashed array of HISM entry based structs was how you went about it?
tough sierra
But fucking hell spent weeks and there was a bug that would cause the editor to crash every time you ended a game instance.
Something like that.
Might still have the project.
fathom wadi
sounds like the right approach to me. I mean, if I were starting out with it. But as everyone who has done something pioneering knows, you often find the most obvious way is the worst way possible :p
tough sierra
IEventually i got annoyed with the bug causing those crashes, and that every time i had to change a header file, which was a lot, i'd have to wait a long time to open the editor, to test the game yet again.
Thought about breaking out of the actor situation entirely.
With something ECS like.
Maybe even ignore most of the engine stuff and use a custom physics engine or an imported one that was fine tuned for fun.
I'm not even sure how possible it is to do that and multithread stuff related to meshes though.
fathom wadi
tough sierra
Now ue4 has a lot of awesome uses but it's honestly too heavy weight and that felt reason enough to not be worth for my specific niche.
"unless" i can find a way to get around the iteration time sucking so hard.
LOL nice
fathom wadi
too heavyweight is true. But its also modular so you can switch off the useless stuff
tough sierra
If i can switch off the actor system and the physics and most everything except rendering that'd be perfect.
Get rid of the gc to.
Or get around it.
fathom wadi
you would probably not use Unreal at that point, but it is possible. Not easy, but possible
why would you want to get around the GC btw? Also, you can get around it by not making a UObject or UPROPERTY based object/var
tough sierra
Tis exactly my line of thought. Though. Ogre isn't as cross platform, and am having issues getting it to compile into an sdk even.
fathom wadi
use javascript. They have some decent 3d engine stuff now
fathom wadi
im not sure. I wouldn't presume it does. I could be wrong.
tough sierra
I might be wrong honestly.
fathom wadi
no it sounds logical, but presumption is the mother of all Unity projects.
tough sierra
Ahahaha where did you get that from?
fathom wadi
sorry Unity folks. Slip of the DebugLog
tough sierra
Ahahahaha
Tempted to build my own engine ontop of this engine.
It does at least have a navmesh.... Wait that's relient on actors.
Though it does render nicely and compile to a lot of stuff.
That's like the two amazing pluses that's so hard to find.
tough sierra
Woah never seen this before.
fathom wadi
you can also get the GCC to ignore an object by using MyObject->AddToRoot() which will essentially keep it in memory until you delete it manually
objects that are not UPROPERTYs can be best served with a TWeakObjectPtr
part of me is screaming "rebuild objects" too. Rather than rely on the original object, just rebuild a version of it as a UObject of sorts
tough sierra
Ah that addToRoot thing is what i used for the one TMap i believe.
fathom wadi
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/API/Runtime/CoreUObject/UObject/UObject/index.html lots of functionality for molesting objects into UObject here I guess
being that UObject is a subclass of the base class. You might need to traverse up a little
fathom wadi
I've seen things man..... terrible things.
tough sierra
Ehehehe i bet.
fathom wadi
I made a method to add new properties to classes, without editing the original class, just so I could avoid editing the engine source but extend it. I entered the rabbit hole and I dont think I came out right in the head.
tough sierra
Nice.
Well they have a component system of sorts.
In "theory" it should work ok.
But i suspect they have some compile time assumptions.
With packaged games.
fathom wadi
i have to go. My download is done so I need to go cry into the editor for a bit
tough sierra
Oof.
I need to rest.
Dude it's always entertaining and educational talking with ya.
See you later then o/
fathom wadi
-9223372036854775808.0 this was the number that broke my editor when adjusting texture height on a POM setup 😄
just to point out, I was trying to see how trippy I could get it to go. It flattened out here and my editor decided it would take a second behind each movement to recognise mouseover on slate elements 😄
plucky pagoda
Forgot that the offset in world comp is for tiles and did the math to offset them by UE units.
So added an offset of 1,600,000 tiles when importing the tiled landscape.
256 neatly stacked landscapes
tame fractal
is this where i can ask for general starting tips or is there a different channel for that?
dusky shuttle
plucky pagoda
Any keyboard and mouse suggestions? Mine are about dead.
alpine fern
g502 hero
never though about how cool a button to free the scroll wheel is until I had it
plucky pagoda
Yeah, it's a must have.
fathom wadi
Roccat Kone EMP is great if you have large hands.
alpine fern
yeah
fully customizable with their software too
so you can change what levels the buttons will switch to
plucky pagoda
I was pissed when I bought the triathalon. I was use to having a button for 3 DPIs and it's a button for switching between different computers in the same place and numbered 1 to 3.
different computers?
plucky pagoda
Yeah, it stores different connection settings for their universal connection thing
sage tendon
I have a machanical clickity keyboard from razor, but after a few years I must admit: the keys are too heavy when you type a lot and the clicks do get annoying at some point
but I prefer wired mouse and keyboard (no battery nonsense to deal with nor getting it to connect)
thats my 2 cents
alpine fern
get both a wired mouse for working and a wireless mouse for the couch 
plucky pagoda
I think I'm going to get another wave keyboard and the G602
sage tendon
i use a laptop to RDP to my PC to enable streaming to my Chromecast thats connected on my TV
😛
fathom wadi
No tengo entendimiento
plucky pagoda
carmine frigate
guy on the internet might be right tho
when u think ur good at something , some1 else is allways better
there is a few billion ppl out there
sage tendon
Well, can't argue against a 1 worded statement, so he must be right
carmine frigate
might not be an actual quote
also he doesnt say if he checked his work for bullshit after 😛
sage tendon
But thats the beauty of science, everyone can have an opinion about it!
fluid bloom
meanwhile me: study 10 years for masters
carmine frigate
guy i know does painting for a living, hes really good, studied it, he would be nothing on artstation 😛
fathom wadi
Remember ! Gotta get that gambling hit kids!
deep glen
lol
carmine frigate
soccer is so booring, why do they keep makin that same game over and over 😛
deep glen
make some new faces, add 1 new polygon, tweak magnetic settings on ball. new fifa
fathom wadi
its a brilliant game if you cut out the slot machine element. I played it since the Megadrive days, each year. Until 2016 when it hammered me for £300 in two weeks.
bold fulcrum
They should make a physics-based football game.
deep glen
rocket league minus cars?