Yeah, done with Adobe. Everytime I install CC my whole PC starts acting like I'm having hardware failure. Just compeltly cleaned it out from the registery and everywhere else and everythings running smooth again.
#lounge
plucky pagoda
fathom wadi
pearl elk
I think something might have gone wrong
fathom wadi
fathom wadi
Twitter
pearl elk
umm, why?
alpine fern
so players can share our spaghetti torture
pearl elk
if they are writing BP are they really players?
alpine fern
playvelopers
fathom wadi
runtime blueprints sounds useful to me for my polymorphic gameplay idea I call "atypical cross-infecting virus during gameplay"
hack the game, during the game, with the game. Sounds great
pearl elk
devers
alpine fern
runtime blueprints seems like "so preoccupied with whether we could, that we forgot to think about whether we should" thing
fathom wadi
story of my life :d
pearl elk
Its really difficult to close down the game and click on another exe
fringe sundial
thats actually super useful
and it doesnt depend much on ue4 so you can slap it into unity for MAXIMUM heresy
wonder if implementing that into my own engine could be useful
iuts not "actually" blueprints
pearl elk
Why not implement something better rather than piss farting around copying BP
alpine fern
cos that requires scary things like UX research and is much more difficult
pearl elk
requires some actual talent, ahhh gotcha
Itd be better to have larger building blocks you click together rather than making it an electronics engineers wet dream
but alas you still need to code the building blocks, no way around that unfortunately
alpine fern
just build your own scripting engine from scratch
pearl elk
yeah a small scripting language might be more efficient, requires less graphical overhead. That said every time Ive tried to write a generic gameplay system I always come up with a game mechanic which isnt supported
You get to a point and youre just gonna download and boot one of the many free game editors out there
pearl elk
powered by unreal engine, made with unreal engine
*game is not actual editor
all this is in engine, in realtime, dynamic, no smoke and mirrors
it just works
I cant wait till we have raytraced BP nodes, oh baby they will look so sexy all glassed up
BP Man the adventures of a lost developer
mortal smelt
Hey everyone, im looking to get a Laptop for 3D art and general Game Development with ue4. Any recommendation's under 1600€ ?
deep glen
my recommendation is to not get a laptop :p
mortal smelt
Well but what if you need to work on the go ?/need a mobile workstation
deep glen
hmm in that case wait for someone who has more knowledge than me when it comes to laptops :p
pearl elk
You wont really get a mobile workstation but you can get a desktop replacement
Workstations tend to be not just powerful machines but monitors, peripherals etc all the stuff that comes with a fixed office space
plucky pagoda
For that amount of money you can get a killer workstation or a barely adequate laptop.
deep glen
https://tweakers.net/laptops/vergelijken/#filter:q1bKL0pJLXLLTM1JUbJSKk7OL0pV0oEIBhekJnsCRXUNdZQKEtNTgzOrUpWsDA0MgNyizORU38QKINcMwc_MA_JNjExrAQ dutch, but has a list of laptops in your range.
plucky pagoda
One of the big problems with dev work and laptops is heat. I've had to replace GPUs on every single one I've used for heavy work.
pearl elk
Mines still going alright after 3yrs or so
wary fox
Which one you have ?
pearl elk
I have it sitting on a fan base when its docked though and the battery is useless lol
Mines custom, its not a major brand
they did put really good thermal paste on it for me
halcyon lake
what up y'all
pearl elk
If portability is your concern then weight is what you want to look at, how many cells is the battery, how large is the chassis, the power brick etc
median wraith
@fathom wadi proper food finally https://twitter.com/_PolaaK_/status/1236023553780301825
fathom wadi
I hope the drink refills are free
I just signed up this new OnlyFans site for narcissists. It's costing me a fortune in subs.
bronze axle
Funny coincidence from the live stream that just happened: Marcus's auto exposure triggered right when he talked about auto exposure. 😂
https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverSolidWoodpeckerDansGame
median wraith
XD
zinc matrix
plucky pagoda
It will be nice to see things like that being doable without plugins.
Yeah.
That was a mesh right?
You can also do stuff like that with some of the voxel plugins.
But what they're showing there looks a whole lot easier.
Just about to watch it all now. There's a thing that happens daily at 2 that keeps me busy.
4.25 might be one I switch to on day one.
There's a few things in it I've been waiting for.
fathom wadi
4.24 is still buggy. Been waiting on 4.25 to get those bugs fixed (because im too lazy to grab the commits seperately)
plucky pagoda
The only thing I've really had a problem with is origin rebasing.
fathom wadi
yeah here's hoping it's a bump for world composition.
median wraith
@plucky pagoda well that isn't related with voxel 🤔 there is a plug in to edit meshes directly
fluid bloom
thesis = submitted
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I mentioned it because you can achieve similiar things with both.
@fathom wadi Yeah, I'm using world comp in a multiplayer setup right now. Still digging through it a bit to get eveything laid out right but it's working.
bronze axle
I'm definitely switching to 4.25 on day one, if nothing else for the audio features.
I'm working on some audio visualization stuff, and 4.25 brings Niagara data interfaces for audio. ❤️
fathom wadi
Im about to start a new prototype for a pitch, and I'm not doing it in 4.25, so I just told them I'm taking an extra week to wait for it. 😄
now im bored tho
bronze axle
I can't comprehend the idea of being bored right now. I have endless things to do.
Very close to finishing our new bot and some other stuff for Unreal Slackers, plus I have two clients and my Guild Wars 2 guild is spinning back up.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, the stream keeps glitching on me but even just the ik nodes I saw have me ready to load it up.
fathom wadi
Im still waiting for GiveawayBot to give something away 😄
@plucky pagoda I was looking at the custom rig thing, and although it seems great, Im not sure I would switch it for external yet. I'll look into it more, but I dunno. I would prefer to do my anims externally unless I could bring my rigs in from Blender
bronze axle
Maybe I could give something away when the update launches. 🤔
fathom wadi
A pair of Hololens? Thats awfully kind of you 🙂
bronze axle
lol
I don't have anything fancy.
I do have a gift for a free month of Nitro, though. Been saving it for a giveaway.
fathom wadi
11k people in here. Im sure some corporate marketing machine would get involved
bronze axle
Sounds more appropriate for our 5-year anniversary.
Which is less than a month away, actually.
fathom wadi
awesome
bronze axle
Yeah. I honestly can't believe we've already been around for 5 years.
And we're approaching 40K members.
median wraith
Yeah I can't believe was here for 5 years and didn't release a single commercial game 🤖
bronze axle
Right there with ya. 😅
fathom wadi
I've only had 2 in the past 5 years. I expected more tbh
plucky pagoda
AllRightRig lets you build an ik rig in the editor but honeslty it takes so long to setup I rarely use it.
fathom wadi
on the upside, we have had 5 years of chatting in here and I only got banned once :p
@plucky pagoda I like doing it manually. Its a pretty zen process. Plus you know exactly what you have/need to make things work
median wraith
At least evolved and now got more resources
plucky pagoda
I hate animating.
median wraith
Still don't own the duck from the market
plucky pagoda
Wasn't there a chart somewhere that went over the process when a player connects? like this is called, then this then postlogin then find player start then this...
bronze axle
I'm surprised at the relatively low number of bans we've had over the years. The community's been quite good, by and large.
fluid bloom
is there a TL;DW of the stream?
alpine fern
"bunch of cool stuff coming soon"
fluid bloom
😄
fathom wadi
aye thats part of the reason I stuck around. I like the people here. Most social media I clash with people. In here, if I clash with people, at least it stays generally polite or a limit myself out of respect. That means a lot to me. When I did take the temp ban, I was gutted. Genuinely gutted.
bronze axle
I do my best to foster a respectful environment.
I think it's important that people can have disagreements without losing their marbles.
median wraith
You cannot lost the marbles if don't have any 😎
fathom wadi
Im a tolerant person, but some things enrage me when it comes to helping people who won't help themselves. Probably why im not an evangelist (that and I probably dont have the skills to back it up 😄 )
mossy nexus
The dynamic sculpting is fun to play with. Didn't realise it was in 4.25
fathom wadi
wait.. sculpting meshes in UE?
fathom wadi
that is a sick advancement
mossy nexus
It's early days of course, but yeah it's there, kind of fun to use and even potentially useful as it is.
bronze axle
Depending on how stable it is, I think it'll be a hit for game jams.
mossy nexus
oh yes, indeed
bronze axle
GDC Summer is going to be all digital. Just announced, but no event details yet.
fathom wadi
that makes me wonder if you could finally have non-animated pressure to affect meshes for things like gripping an arm and having it depress. Or dynamic bone fracturing effects for when you punch someone in the face.
mossy nexus
Behold the monstrosity that was a simple cube...
red pewter
There are auto LOD tools, right?
mossy nexus
Yeah, there is remeshing but like I said earlier it's early days. It's not replacing a DCC soon.
fathom wadi
always said if I didn't make it in my chosen career by the time I hit 40, I would become a politician, but between saying that and hitting 40, I realised... I couldn't be one. I tell the truth.
mossy nexus
I had the opportunity once to venture into the vile field of politics. I'm glad I didn't.
fathom wadi
I would either get A. Shot, B. Setup with a crime or C. become hated so badly that they call me Jacob-Rees Marc
mossy nexus
Remember Jim Murphy Scottish Labour Leader? I knew him before he made his way into politics. He was a Cockwomble then too
fathom wadi
Nope I try keep out of Scottish politics as last time it increased my cholesterol and I got a smack habit :p
mossy nexus
you deep fried yourself didn't you?
fathom wadi
I did. It was an accident. I went to a chippy to buy a pasty dinner and only had a scottish quid note :p
mossy nexus
😄
Bunch of guys went to a bowling place in Carlisle I think, ordered a massive round and handed over a Scottish £20 with a big grin. seeing as all the drinks were already in their hands and being drunk (the drinks not the people.. yet) they didn't have much of a choice 😄
raw rose
When does 4.25 release?
fathom wadi
I once went to a pub in Belfast with my friends. One of them said "You go get the drinks in". So I walk to the bar and say "5 pints please" and he stops and stares at me intensely. He said "Are you British?" and I said "Aye". He replied "We don't serve British in here" and I froze. I could feel myself turning white. I turned around all my mates were trying not to laugh. Then the barman said "Sorry your mates told me to say that" and everyone pissed it laughing 😄
plucky pagoda
A release is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to.
fathom wadi
@raw rose
bronze axle
To get people excited about it, like they always do.
raw rose
I HATE that
bronze axle
Why?
bronze axle
I see. So I guess you'd rather they shadow drop it?
raw rose
Yes please
fathom wadi
preparation is key. Knowing a new feature is coming gives me ideas everytime
raw rose
When it's done, just drop it and then get me excited
bronze axle
Yeah, I think it's different here because the target audience is developers.
Developers generally like to know what new features are on the horizon so they can prepare if they're interested.
As for not communicating release dates, it's become a pretty common practice in software development, and even product development more broadly in some cases.
plucky pagoda
You can always download it now. All the people breaking it now means it will be less buggy when it does get here.
bronze axle
Indeed. The more people download and break preview releases, the better launch will be.
fathom wadi
No way I can do that. Its a full day of dealing with it and my home internet is saturated right now 😦
bronze axle
😦
fathom wadi
Still on release day, the internet is mine !
bronze axle
Man, databases aren't as bad to deal with as they used to be.
raw rose
What did they change?
mossy nexus
lots of stuff, but why spoil the surprise.
mild root
@fathom wadi re your redline topology suggestion, isn't it better to stick to quads?
raw rose
The engine likes tris
bronze axle
@raw rose I'm using something called an ORM that basically translates my regular JS into a variety of supported backends. As someone who doesn't regularly deal with databases, I find it super handy.
I can just write regular JS to establish connections and write queries. The ORM handles translation for me (in this case Postgres).
raw rose
So it's better at converting code now
fathom wadi
@mild root Work in quads all day in a DCC. But in terms of in-engine topo, it has to be tris
plucky pagoda
Ugh, finnaly bashed keys until I managed to get the clients to not spawn a pawn until the streaming level is loaded.
Probably did it in about the crudest hamfisted way possible
mild root
@mild root Work in quads all day in a DCC. But in terms of in-engine topo, it has to be tris
@fathom wadi yeah, you can triangulate mesh during export
fathom wadi
aye
junior meteor
@fathom wadi you are right we got our nature that evloved us, but there is one thing that is in common, is further development. i got no problem with nature or its ways, i got my ways, but the only thing that matters is future of mankind, as we see it now, its getting fd, only ignorant will deny our harm to earth, so its again these who are smart enough to see further then theyselves and try to guide others..u are right its not important, we will live anyway and evolve, but its a matter of personal choices and visions within.. all i see is a lot of wasted time as a result of bad education and fast development.. all i need is a server, only managed local, if any know any good guide or ready to advise let me know, project Cyberspace will soon be online and so the mankind
fathom wadi
man you should have quoted me in there. I can't recall what I was answering. I've been chatting shit all day 😄
time to go chill with some movie or something. Have fun
junior meteor
haha, something like that
azure chasm
i take back everything i said
ive been nothing but thankful and positive about everything
and awesome results have started to appear
🧲
also
ctrl-alt
for box selection in ue4
tell me im not the only one who didnt know about it
junior meteor
any1 uses Smite?
azure chasm
@plucky pagoda if you set the default pawn to none
on the game mode
it will only load your pawn when you tell it to
i.e. on event post login
plucky pagoda
I just have it load a spectator pawn until I'm ready for the game pawn.
azure chasm
ah
plucky pagoda
The issue was getting the level to have a method I could use in any level to let the controller know it was okay to spawn the game pawn.
azure chasm
event post login
on the game mode
gives you the controller reference as it comes into the world
plucky pagoda
But I just let the level set a value in the GameState when it's okay to spawn the player and the controller will check for that value before spawning.
plucky pagoda
Post login is too early
plucky pagoda
Yeah, in one of the game modes or states but it's not quite what I need here. This is setup so players can jump in and out at any time.
azure chasm
is this still for that side scroller?
plucky pagoda
I'm using world compisition so I need to make sure that the proper level is loaded on the client and listen-server before the pawn is spawned.
No.
plucky pagoda
This is only like 16km^2 but setting it up so I can change that or use other maps
Keeping it at 4 tiles while I work out all the kinks.
azure chasm
set global time dilation to 0.1 and add a bunch of motion blur so players think they moving really fast... only moved like 1 meter
plucky pagoda
lol.
zinc matrix
hi everyone!
novel latch
🎵 I'm just🏃♂️IN THE 90s 🎵
novel latch
that stuff is 150 bpm 2 slow
the lightshow is amazing though
life's 2 short for calm songs 🙃
"You are as old as you think you are" - Muhammad Ali
plucky pagoda
The pain of holding in the smart ass comments, it grows.
novel latch
why would you hold in a smart but comment?
fathom wadi
comfortably numb is my favourite song of all time
heard it live 3 times now. once by pink floyd and twice by Rogers Waters.
he's improved his guitar solo on that pompeii version. For a time he did a couple of things in the second solo that didn't work too well, it changed tempo and things. But that was really fkin good
if you ever get the chance to go see Dave or Roger play live. Do it. The best day of my life was when I saw Pink Floyd live. (sorry to my kids but they will understand one day)
during that concert (The Wall), they built a wall up during the concert, then knocked it down at the end. It was magnificent
last time I saw Roger, they played the Animals album and related all the anti-establishment stuff towards Trump.
tawdry urchin
So... uh, I started defragmenting my hard drive and it seems like i'm LOSING space
north torrent
Is that even a thing in 2020?
I think the last time I defragmented a drive was in the 90s.
north torrent
I have no idea what I am looking at...
signal citrus
they still do defrag?
north torrent
This guy keeps shooting the floor...
signal citrus
shooting the floor makes you go up
pearl elk
its called a rocket jump
north torrent
Did you ever play Detroit, Mr. Olympus?
pearl elk
yeah I got it on PS4
north torrent
I just downloaded it for when I finish Mass Effect Andromeda.
signal citrus
defrag is still its own physics seperate of q3 right?
pearl elk
Does that shirtless guy keep wanting to netflix and chill with ya in Andromeda?
north torrent
Mass Effect Andromeda
Detroit Become Human
Disco Elysium
Vampyr
Life is Strange 2
I'm going to see if I can finish them all in the next 2 weeks.
pearl elk
I didnt like how all the AI get XP together that was abit lame tbh
north torrent
He finally put his shirt back on.
I'm mostly curious to see how the interface has evolved since Beyond Two Souls.
pearl elk
It went backwards abit tbh
but its slicker, the dialog feels better and the story fits the interactivity bit better
north torrent
I didn't find Beyond Two Soul's dialogue user interface to be all that practical.
I still feel bad about accidentally shooting that guy in the face in Heavy Rain...
pearl elk
I really liked the fight sequence in Beyond Two Souls
but I played with motion controls
north torrent
It was more the dialogue part that I found a bit impractical. Not too bad though.
pearl elk
Theres alot more dialog in Detroit
north torrent
I saw that from the trailer.
Do you prefer dialogue options being assigned to face buttons on a controller, or to use the analog joystick to select an option and then press the same button to enter in the choice each time?
pearl elk
Not sure tbh, been awhile since I played em. It depends if its time based I suppose, having a button press and be quicker
north torrent
I personally think that a majority of dialogue choices shouldn't be time based. I think having them all time based takes away the impact of when you actually do have a time based choice that needs to be time based.
But I think I am actually quicker with a dialogue wheel than a button press. I always have to think about the controller for a fraction of a second to make sure I am hitting the right button... But that's just me.
pearl elk
yeah depends on which controller I suppose
north torrent
X used to always trip me up for a fraction of a second, because I used to play Playstation 2 games before I got into doing PC stuff... And the X on Playstation is the A on an Xbox Controller, which is generally what PC games with controller support map to.
pearl elk
for accessibility having the stick makes more sense, I can never do the conversions from Xbox to PS controller in my head
some games do only properly support one or the other even though it works with either which can be annoying.
north torrent
I have several games that I played on PC without controller support that I custom mapped things for.
pearl elk
Its even worse in the VR space, UE4 has so many different input mappings now and its like wtf guys you couldnt decide that L Trigger just means L Trigger for all
north torrent
So for Mass Effect, I actually had the conversations using the right analog stick and pressed down on the analog stick to select a choice, so I used no buttons.
pearl elk
L Trigger Xbox, L Trigger PS, L Trigger Oculus Touch, L Trigger Daydream, L Trigger Vive, L Trigger L Trigger
north torrent
The Super Nintendo controller was the first to introduce the + shaped face buttons. It however labeled them backwards from the current standard.
Sega used 3 across which then got a second row. So you had XYZ on top of ABC. Once the chopped off the Z and the C that became the standard layout with Xbox and the way I have seen it on PC games.
pearl elk
could be why I still get A and B mixed up
north torrent
So since I am using a Super Nintendo controller, it I were to look at my controller (which I never do) I would have to press B to do an A button action on the game.
Isn't confusing because who actually looks at what the buttons say, right?
pearl elk
I just tell myself B is circle
north torrent
I find it interesting that Nintendo didn't really look at it as a + shape, but as two layers of two buttons.
You can even see from the spacing, it isn't quite a +
pearl elk
Theres no standard for the colours either making it worse
north torrent
And the Y and the X are concave, which is my favorite thing about this controller.
north torrent
If you go outside the US controller, you don't see the other elements grouping the buttons on the SNES controller though. Just the background color of the plastic.
All four buttons were convex like modern controllers, and the colors were all 4 different.
In this case I like the US version much better.
pearl elk
Actually the PS4, Super NES and Xbox One all share the same red button position
I think the functionality tends to be similar regardless of the name or colour though as it has more to do with positioning
Red button tends to be cancel, back out
pearl elk
lol thats technically 2 dpads
north torrent
The red is the 'start' button...
north torrent
I wish we had more standardized button names, but less standardized shapes...
pearl elk
dual sticks are pretty standard
but you cant rely on grip trigger buttons, they are awesome though
north torrent
I've been using this just because it is easy to carry with me when I am traveling.
I'm not sure why controllers today are so big.
north torrent
I wish someone would bring back the three across layout...
I like the version without the XYZ
I want my game to only need 1 face button though...
pearl elk
north torrent
Early days of 3d navigation.
I remember when people were complaining that using two analog sticks on a first person shooter was too complicated to play.
signal citrus
north torrent
I've never used one.
signal citrus
Bad
north torrent
I wanted to try one at the store and they wouldn't let me. So it was either pay $50 for something that might be horrible, or just keep using my Xbox controller.
north torrent
I could throw it at someone.
north torrent
Why?
pearl elk
jk thats Xiaomi
north torrent
Isn't that a Wii controller?
pearl elk
nah its smart phone controller
north torrent
To control your text messages?
pearl elk
To do the tiny bit of input mobile casinos require
north torrent
That sounds illegal.
pearl elk
I do wish controllers came with more adjustable grips though
This is how you play an FPS game for the millionth time 🙂
in this game you have feet, there is no translocation
north torrent
Feet Person Shooter?
pearl elk
I suppose it depends if you'd give a guy a foot massage or not
north torrent
Depends on how smelly his feet are and how much money I'm being paid.
idle rivet
Hey Guys... I think i had a little error when trying to import... https://gyazo.com/e1ef936a4199f550a3a90f48485665fa
pearl elk
Nice location for a package there
north torrent
So, in your modern AAA open world game, how much of the gameplay do you think consists of just following Waypoints on a radar or compass?
I'm thinking somewhere between 60%-80%.
signal citrus
That can be fun though
north torrent
I think world maps that give you an omnipresent view of the game world and compass waypoints are one of the biggest problems in modern open world games.
Pause Game - Go to Mission Log - Click on mission you want to do - Follow the waypoint on your compass till you get there - Do the thing - Follow another waypoint on your compass - Do another thing - Follow another waypoint on your compass - Do the last thing - Finish mission - Pause Game - Go to Mission Log...
And lets take a game like Red Dead Redemption 2 for example. You have that games version of 1900s New Orleans and is is packed full of buildings and allies and all sorts of detail.
And yes, when I first go to the city the map is blank because I have never seen the city before.
But if I hop on my horse and sprint through the city at top speed, boom! the whole map gets uncovered and now I know where every room and every back ally and every little detail are, even though I was just sprinting a horse down the street and not looking at anything.
north torrent
Only if you park them under a tree.
pearl elk
But horses die
@signal citrus Thats why I have a quadbike
north torrent
I have punched my horse several times on accident.
pearl elk
Have you punched a cow?
north torrent
Accidental button pressing has been a problem of mine in Assassins Creed, Red Dead Redemption, and Mass Effect Andromeda...
And that time I accidentally shot a guy in the face in Heavy Rain...
Maybe I suck at videogames...
Or maybe they just have too many buttons that are not consistent to their context...
pearl elk
I accidently punched the Sherif in Fallout 3
signal citrus
“We can’t just disable horse punching”
north torrent
You sure that was an accident, Mr. Olympus?
pearl elk
Yeah it was, I rolled with it but ran out of ammo since I used every bit, merchants never restocked
north torrent
Being able to punch a horse is good. But having the buttons change to weird things based on the direction your character is looking is confusing.
pearl elk
horses would kick back tbh
signal citrus
Yeah I just imagine at some point during development, someone accidentally punched a horse as everyone will
north torrent
I died from a horse kicking me in the jaw once.
north torrent
I've just been trying to study which buttons are the most natural for people to use for certain things, just by habbit.
I was stealing something out of the horses saddle, but at a bad angle I guess.
pearl elk
I like the pet dog in Postal 2
signal citrus
Postal 4 oof
north torrent
Anyways, I think I got off the topic I was talking about.
I think most games anymore are designed in a way that it would take an insanely obnoxious time to try to do anything without waypoints and a world map that always showed you exactly where to go.
I don't think there are many games, or any at all in the AAA space where you can turn off the compass map thing and still complete the game in a timely manner.
I guess you could eventually wander to the right spot if you played for some 500 hours.
signal citrus
6
north torrent
6 games?
signal citrus
Hours
north torrent
6 hours of wandering just to find where you need to park the wagon to get the next cutscene.
signal citrus
Yeah
It’s not unusual for that game to focus on not fun stuff
Like permadeathhorse
north torrent
I want to start thinking about how to let the player find his/her way around the game world without relying on looking at a magical radar or map or horse gps.
Towns that have a layout that are easy to remember, with houses that look a certain way in certain parts so you can orient yourself to where you are.
signal citrus
Ask button
north torrent
Large mountains that are on a particular side so you know which way is West or whatever.
Street signs.
Do you remember these books, Mr. Soulless Pat?
signal citrus
Yeah
north torrent
Can searching for things be a fun dynamic for people in 2020?
signal citrus
Magic eye and where’s Waldo we’re better tbh
north torrent
There is a whole genre of games outside of our 'normal' game industry about this kind of thing.
zinc matrix
how big is UE 4.24 to download?
zinc matrix
WHAT!!! You know where he is! Please tell me lol
pearl elk
Whos Waldo?
north torrent
Hidden Object Games are certainly videogames but don't seem to be included in the game industry. Not really sure how that works.
signal citrus
north torrent
But my point is... what is more fun?
Simon Says or Where's Waldo?
north torrent
Or in the case of Red Dead Redemption 2 'Dutch Says'.
zinc matrix
wat se die Nederlanders
zinc matrix
lol i got it, it was just a bit of a cross language joke
can you change the download order in epic games
north torrent
Anyways, let's just hypothetically say that it takes the exact same amount of time either way. Would you rather...
Be told to go somewhere and then just follow a waypoint on a map till you get to that spot?
or
Have to search an area to find a person that matches the description of the one you have to meet?
zinc matrix
second one it sounds more engaging
pearl elk
Is this a trick question or a puzzle?
north torrent
I'm just curious.
I'm just contemplating the nature of gaming.
What is a game?
Are games even real?
Is life just a big game?
zinc matrix
bro send me your dealers nmr please
north torrent
Do you have WeChat?
pearl elk
my dealers mmr is better than mine
zinc matrix
so i take it you cant change the download order lol
north torrent
Probably not, but I only have one game, so I wouldn't know.
So anyways, Mr. DeathMoon. Out of the two options I talked about above, which one do you think would require a bigger game world?
Which one would require a more detailed game world?
sage bobcat
Hi there, looking to learn 3d modelling! watched this video and thought it was so insanely cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi7A6D0TDfQ
i have done like literally nothing in 3d modelling or programming except basic python/html (I dont think either are useful here) and i just want to get started. does anyone have some video tutorials of some sort?
north torrent
Go the the official Unreal YouTube channel.
sage bobcat
will check it out, thanks 🙂
north torrent
They have a wide variety available.
Have you decided what area of game design you are most interested in?
sage bobcat
perhaps not gonna design games just yet, the video i linked was a remake of a map and im just looking to remake some maps or perhaps make some maps
zinc matrix
@sage bobcat if you want i may be starting a game dev channel tonight for YT but there are many reasources to learn unreal and blender
sage bobcat
ooooh
north torrent
Doing level design and environment art doesn't really require any programming knowledge or the ability to 3d model.
zinc matrix
damn i wanna check how large is ue 4.24 cause i may wanna download that instead of my missing 4.22 files
sage bobcat
oh
north torrent
If you get deep into Environment art you will probably want to learn 3d modeling.
sage bobcat
is 3d modelling characters or people?
north torrent
Though generally on a team the Environment artist gets assets from the 3d modelers and doesn't 3d model too much for him or herself.
3d modelling could be people, animals, rocks, trees, buildings, modular walls, a mailbox, guns, or whatever else.
sage bobcat
ohh so environment is just making boxes and adding textures, while 3d modelling is making stuff for myself?
north torrent
Basically the 3d modeler is making the blocks and handing them over to the Environment Artist. The Environment Artist then builds with the blocks to make it look pretty.
Level Designers make the level play fun and work with the gameplay. Different discipline than Environment Art.
zinc matrix
3d modeling is basically all the 3D graphics you see in games or movies they then have 2D artists make the 2D graphics and they put that onto the 3D model
north torrent
With the amount of stuff available for free in Unreal, including Megascans and such, you can get started as an Environment Artist without having to make all your own stuff.
Now if you want to make and sell games, then we get into the idea of not wanting to look like an asset flip, but I won't ramble about that today.
zinc matrix
hahahaha epic is telling me UE 4.24 is 3.74mb to download
north torrent
It isn't.
zinc matrix
i know it should be like 8/9gbs i think
north torrent
I need to buy milk...
sage bobcat
Might just stick to remaking maps or something like that quixel video
game design when i can think of an idea maybe
zinc matrix
i need to buy cigarettes but it's illegal lol
sage bobcat
and also learn c++
north torrent
Not sure what you would need C++ for.
zinc matrix
its a goood skill to have
north torrent
Not really useful for a beginner environment artist though.
Super useful for some people.
broken sigil
all artists need to know about C++ is how to compile it and that's it
north torrent
I'm not cutting down C++, just saying it doesn't seem to fit the scenario mentioned above.
How do you compile it, Mr. Man?
broken sigil
you open VS and click build 😐
Been using C++ for around 5 years, for anything programming related C++ is almost always better than BPs but for artists it doesn't make much sense to spend months trying to understand it
north torrent
What if I don't have Visual Studio installed?
I would be willing to bet that there are many industry level Environment Artists who don't know how to compile C++ or even install Visual Studio.
sage bobcat
what is visual studio
north torrent
It is a programming tool.
Made by Microsoft.
It is used by many different things, including the Unreal Engine if you want to do C++ programming.
sage bobcat
ah
north torrent
But as an environment artist I have never needed to install it.
If you want to learn C++ for other reasons, then go for it.
I just don't think it is relevant to doing Environment Art specifically.
sage bobcat
oka
broken sigil
Pretty sure you have to have the C++ toolchain installed, without it there is no way to compile it
Yeah most of them don't know but it is pretty straight forward to install it, when working on C++ ue4 projects programmers usually push the compiled binaries as well for artists so they don't have to compile anything or we make guides how to install VS and compile.... That's at least been my experience so far
north torrent
I have it on one computer and I don't on my other.
But I don't work on a team at the moment.
sage bobcat
UE4 on an SSD or HDD? is there any noticeable bonuses from running it off an SSD
broken sigil
SSD always if you can
north torrent
Ooooo... They have Milch at my favorite store.
broken sigil
there is a huge difference if you are loading large assets
north torrent
Do they still make HDDs in 2020?
sage bobcat
my space is a little limited but might just move GTA to HDD and have tons of space extra
@north torrent yeah they do, just very cheap
2tb for like £31
broken sigil
and in general the editor will start up much faster on an ssd
north torrent
This is the kind of thing that happens in 3rd world countries.
They probably bought those guns with the $1,200 the government sent them.
fluid bloom
the neckbeards really sell the look
north torrent
I grew a bit of a neckbeard when I was in government quarantine and didn't have a razor. It gets itchy having hair on your neck...
fluid bloom
yea
north torrent
Someday I will take that hair from my neck and transplant it to the top of my head... Is that even possible in 2020? I should look into that.
If it isn't, it will be someday.
ancient ingot
@north torrent !!
north torrent
Did you bring my bread?
ancient ingot
yes, i did hold on let me get it out of the oven
north torrent
Do you want to answer the question of the day?
north torrent
So, in your modern AAA open world game, how much of the gameplay do you think consists of just following Waypoints on a radar or compass?
Got to this point, not go to this point, not go to this point.
ancient ingot
hmm id say less than 30%
pearl elk
so you just eat the crust?
ancient ingot
hmm have reactions been turned off ?
pearl elk
turtle bread shield activated!
ancient ingot
it was discord being a cock
north torrent
What did you do to piss of Discord?
ancient ingot
i gave it money 😐
ancient ingot
lol sure how much ?
north torrent
Well, the US government doesn't even like me, and they sent me $1,200. So you should send me at least twice that, since you are my biggest fan and all.
ancient ingot
hahaha ok, ill send you $10
north torrent
Good.
soft night
they send you money with trump sing?
north torrent
No, direst deposit.
Sent it to me in China, and I used it to pay rent in China and buy beer in China and buy multiple Nintendo Switches in China.
ancient ingot
😮
north torrent
I also bought Mr. XOXIXOXIXOXIXO a new gaming mouse.
soft night
you are lucky you have money
north torrent
That's all money really comes down to. Some people are lucky, some people aren't.
soft night
me broke for a few years straight
north torrent
Maybe 2% of the wealthy people are that way because they worked hard, and maybe 2% of the poor people are poor because they are just short sighted people.
But for the other 96% of us it is really just about luck.
rigid shoal
I think a lot of white collar people can get pretty wealthy, especially with a bit of luck.
Which I mention because that demographic represents more than 2%.
mossy nexus
Oh Unreal Godz, why do you freeze my editor while it saves. You just like messing with me, don't you....
mossy nexus
Accurate, bar the movement. Looks like a reboot is needed as even task manager can't handle the cold it seems
north torrent
Like I said, Mr. Floss, it takes luck.
Or rich parents.
I think I need to study more point and click adventure games.
pearl elk
north torrent
Do you ever see food in a videogame and it makes you hungry, Mr. Olympus?
I was playing Detroit and I walked past this hot dog stand, and this guy started yelling at me, and it made me want hot dogs. Then I saw a place on the other side of the part that had Chicago style hotdogs... But I can't get those in China...
Or can I...
I'll have to research that...
north torrent
Chicago style hot dogs are not just any hot dogs though.
north torrent
I don't think they have bamboo this far north.
azure chasm
Oh you on the dark side
north torrent
The dark side of what?
azure chasm
The side with more pollution
Lol might as well be the moon
How are things over there
Is everything "normal"
Again
north torrent
Well, being by the ocean does help a bit with the polution.
School hasn't started back, but the stores are open again.
I don't care if school never starts back though, I'm happy only working a few hours a day to teach online classes.
azure chasm
Increased Online life/work is an interesting effect of all this
north torrent
I don't go outside much anyways. I want to live a boring life for the next couple of years, so I am happy just staying home.
azure chasm
well im terrified of sending my kid to school anyways , and i live in the u.s.
north torrent
First month in a decade with no school shootings.
fathom wadi
I stopped my kids going to school before this kicked off
azure chasm
all these parents that dont love their kids, and it dissipates into these souls, and they are all packed together in a classroom
north torrent
Though there are people with guns storming into state capital buildings... so I'm not sure if the US is considered a 3rd world country yet or not.
I think I'm going to start pretending to be Canadian.
azure chasm
theres ignorance all over the world
the u.s. is just a big country
so theres more of it LOL
no country is immune to it tho
north torrent
It is the hesitation they have to squash the idiot uprisings that annoy me.
rigid shoal
Ngl, I feel like all schools in America are pretty screwed.
north torrent
Sucks to be a teacher there.
rigid shoal
Oh, god, definitely. I forgot you were a teacher.
north torrent
That's why I live in China.
azure chasm
being an american in another country is like being a pop-star
rigid shoal
But that's like another extreme, in the complete opposite direction.
Those kids in Asia take education wayyy too seriously. Wouldn't want my kids borderline suicidal from school stress.
north torrent
If you called being turned away from hotels, apartment complexes, and restaurants being a pop-star...
azure chasm
for real?
north torrent
It all depends on the school in China, they vary a lot.
azure chasm
idk, i think the discipline is important
i would have loved to learn some kung fu
as a kid
north torrent
But I wouldn't send my kid to 95% of Chinese schools.
In most cases I would rather send my kid to a school in the States. If I had a kid that is, but I don't, because I'm not an idiot.
north torrent
I would rather not send my hypothetical kid to either though. Both systems are hardcore about indoctrinating the children with lies about the country to create artificial patriotism through lies.
But China treats teachers better, the US treats students better and relies on the teachers being passionate enough about future generations to make big sacrifices.
rigid shoal
I wouldn't say the US treats students better... even if true. They're just both not really cared for, imo.
azure chasm
definitely the same in Brazil, low wages for teachers.... and it is very ridiculous cause these are the people that are taking care of and nurturing our kids brains
north torrent
My current private school has actually adopted a Westernized way of teaching and doesn't like teaching pure memorization for the national tests.
But it is the exception, not the norm.
fathom wadi
education in the UK is all about how many thick headed shits you can produce to keep the rich in place
we used to have the most respected education system in the world. And they dismantled it piece by piece
north torrent
Parts of the US still teach that evolution isn't real, global warming isn't real, and that the Civil War was about 'State's rights' not slavery.
So it gets pretty bad, depending on the district. But the US education system is very diverse and different every city you go to.
azure chasm
i cant complain about the knowledge I had in Miami, Florida, it was pretty advanced. But the overcrowded schools, having to trek across these gigantic structures
that was pretty daunting to me as a kid... maybe i was just a punk 😆
north torrent
If you are in a good district you can get a great education in the United States.
azure chasm
the future is online teaching
imagine not being limited
to the place you are born
being able to chooose
freely
what you want to learn
"or what your parents want you to learn"
north torrent
I have studied a bit into the statistics, and the US is generally on par with the top education systems in the world until you count in the bottom students.
The US has a huge bottom tier that brings down their averages hardcore and puts the US behind most of Europe and Asia in scores.
The US has entire districts that go un-funded. Cities that are in shambles or states that refuse to tax their people...
rigid shoal
I don't believe it's a funding issue. I think it's a cultural issue. There are lots of places where the kids hate the learning and overall schooling part.
north torrent
And states that want to indoctrinate students with 'Feedom!' and lies about how the Confederacy wasn't a bunch of slave owning traitors and cowards.
Well, that is another issue, Mr. Floss, but I don't think that is what is really bringing the numbers down. But fixing that issue would certainly bring the numbers up a lot.
But there are parts of Detroit that literally don't have books.
And places like Oklahoma have many districts only having school 4 days a week. Not because they have some great idea that less school time gets better results, but because they can't afford to pay the teachers for 5 days a week.
azure chasm
but yet we had these billions of dollars just lying around
waiting for coronavirus to happen
north torrent
Cities with high income inequality and rural areas that don't tax.
rigid shoal
Speaking of schools with a lack of funds. I've heard, in my local school district, that the district takes money away from the poor schools and diverts them to the richer schools.
north torrent
I was lucky and grew up in a good school district that has since been destroyed by extremists who will do anything to keep tax rates unsustainably low, even after seeing the disasterous results.
zinc matrix
mao are your students making fun of u on lunch breaks
and call you the "weird" teacher
i mean i dont know for sure
just heard so
north torrent
In Arizona, where my US home is, the teachers had to go on strike last year to get a portion of the money they were owed. The tax payers voted to raise taxes to pay for education and then the governor stole it all and not a penny went to the teachers or education.
azure chasm
it seems like the higher the overall Grade of the school
the more funding it receives
north torrent
Don't talk to me if you aren't going to capitalize my name, Karol.
north torrent
You can call me Bread.
rigid shoal
The unfortunate fact is that the better schools probably utilize the money better.
So, unless the district really wants to fund the poor-er places, those places will never get the funds, regardless of taxes collected.
north torrent
From my experience the better schools are from the areas with richer residence.
I grew up in a small town that had a successful school district because the rich people in the nearby city would move into the suburbs to get into the small town's school district.
They didn't want to send their kids to an inner city school.
plucky pagoda
Because in most places it is determined by taxes at the local level.
north torrent
So the money they got from the rich people paid for my education, even though I was just a lower-middle class kid living in the small town.
They wouldn't let me take the bus though, only the rich kids got that. So I walked.
rigid shoal
Yeah, that is by the school district (and maybe a bit controlled by the city). And within that district will usually be several schools of varying wealth levels.
north torrent
Going to a rich kid school has its perks though.
plucky pagoda
The way schools are funded has already been found unconsititutional here in Ohio, but they still haven't changed it.
north torrent
Since when have politicians cares about the constitution?
plucky pagoda
Because of the way it focuses most of the money into a few districts.
north torrent
That's just a tool they throw at their opponents when they want to argue.
plucky pagoda
I mean the case was in 1997 and they still haven't fixed it.
north torrent
The key to giving your kids a good education in the US is to have money and move to a place with good schools.
plucky pagoda
rigid shoal
If they really wanted to do funny stuff. They would make the rich place its own municipality and its own school district. Then the rich people money would only go to the schools in their area.
azure chasm
sounds like a plan Mao
plucky pagoda
I mean that's what we did even when we were broke. Found a cheap apartment on the edge of the richest school district.
azure chasm
but for real, when we moved to our new home, we looked at the school ratings for sure... it was 10, and then like a year or 2 passed now its all down to 5 /6 as it gets overcrowded
north torrent
I will share with you the greatest secret ever told, Mr. ImagineGames.
If you want to live a successful life, be born to rich parents. Follow this advice and you can't lose.
plucky pagoda
When we bought a house and moved the difference between the shcools was extreme. We started homeschooling a few months after moving.
azure chasm
alright so all we have to do
is invent a time machine
go back in time
into a ball sack
and boom
plucky pagoda
For the majority of people the ecomic status of their parents will determine their oppurtunities for most of their lives.
north torrent
I don't recommend trying to enter a ball sack at your current size, Mr. Imagine Games...
But in 2020 a lot of these low tax states are starving out the schools in rich people areas as well, because of tax cuts to the rich.
plucky pagoda
Property taxes are the primary way schools are funded.
azure chasm
too late
plucky pagoda
You should really see a doctor.
north torrent
There is only one low tax state that seems to have had any sort of success with it. I bet Mr. Floss can guess which one it is.
rigid shoal
Texas is the best.
north torrent
The best low tax state, yes.
rigid shoal
Nah, it's the best.
north torrent
But that is sort of like being the best swimmer out of a bunch of rocks.
plucky pagoda
Whatch what happens this year though with the massive drop in oil related tax revenues.
north torrent
Texas actually supplies more renewable energy than any state in the US.
rigid shoal
Hmm, I had not considered that. But, all states are probably going to suffer all around. And Texas is very diversified.
And the Fed did say they were going to ... supply money to certain sized cities or something along those lines.
north torrent
Don't be fooled by the people that represent them in the Senate, Texas has many local leaders that have jumped on the solar and wind trains. They saw the economic future for it and were willing to invest in delayed gratification rather than short term gains.
north torrent
That's not what Texas said.
rigid shoal
I doubt any state or country has said such a thing.
plucky pagoda
Solar is a growing industry.
rigid shoal
But it's a million times more expensive than oil. Oil is cheap and probably just overall "better" to use all around. If not for the pollution.
north torrent
Most major industrial countries are in a race to make better renewable energy tech. China is all about trying to make better solar and wind tech.
rigid shoal
Maybe, but 1. Texas produces oil. 2. Nothing will ever be cheaper than oil.
north torrent
If you took away the government subsidies oil isn't all that cheap.
rigid shoal
I'm not so sure about that.
north torrent
Well, as you are not my student, I am not going to tutor you on it.
plucky pagoda
It was never a great idea to structure our entire society around what's cheapest.
rigid shoal
How can oil be not that cheap? Oil in America is in general cheap. And the oil that Texas produces is even cheaper. Not to mention, it's right there. And there's still really no alternative.
north torrent
I'll keep driving my 2006 gasoline powered car. But I sure as hell want my tax money to go to the next big technology, not a relic of the past.
Not that I have paid taxes in 3 years...
The sun is free.
plucky pagoda
Do you get a credit on your income taxes for taxes paid in China or something?
north torrent
And it is right there.
rigid shoal
Electric cars may be good, but you would still probably produce that electricity from gasoline.
And those oil companies that you hate so much, they also do quite a decent amount in renewables.
north torrent
As long as I don't make more that $125,000 I don't have to pay taxes in the US. I generally don't even file, but I did this time so I could get the $1,200 I was owed.
rigid shoal
Wait, don't you have had to have filed in 2018 to get that $1200?
north torrent
There is always room for the old technology while we transition for the next handful of decades. I don't expect to see oil become obsolete in my lifetime.
plucky pagoda
No, you can still just give them your deposit info.
north torrent
But I want to live in a country that is on the cutting edge of technology, not lagging behind.
rigid shoal
Wait, Mao, are you getting more than $1200? I've heard some places, the total unemployment package is like... ~4.4k/month.
plucky pagoda
Different things.
north torrent
You actually don't have to file at all to get the $1,200. But I filed anyways, since it always comes out to $0.
plucky pagoda
One is a tax credit, one is a supplement to unemployement.
north torrent
I don't file for unemployment. That would be kind of sleazy of me to file for unemployment while working in another country.
I could do it, but even I am not that morally low.
rigid shoal
I thought that $1200 was just straight cash every month for 4 months. I didn't really pay attention.
plucky pagoda
Unemployeement is supplemented with an additional $600/week
rigid shoal
Just file the unemployment, Mao. It's quite good money. Assuming it's legal.
plucky pagoda
Put I doubt it will actually get paid to everyone. It doesn't look like the money is enough.
north torrent
It surely isn't enough if you lost your job.
rigid shoal
I've seen articles about PPP (and other loan programs) and unemployment running out of money and being just recklessly thrown around.
plucky pagoda
I meant the funding to pay it out, but yeah $600 for a few weeks is nothing in the long run.
north torrent
I didn't need it, but I will take it and try to solidify my financial security and the financial security of my family.
I'm giving most of the check to my mom.
The PPP loan has gotten ridiculous.
The $1,200 stimulation was done rather simply by government standards. If you are a US citizen, you get the money.
plucky pagoda
I'm happy to take the money but the "stimulus" payment was not a well thought out or well done solution.
The people that need it most still don't have it in most cases.
and it won't keep them afloat long.
rigid shoal
I just want the stock market to get obliterated. Please.
north torrent
I don't agree with any of it, but I will take the money. The government has ripped me off enough times in my life I don't feel bad about taking money I don't need from them.
The stock market isn't real, Mr. Floss.
rigid shoal
Money isn't real either. But I still want more of it.
plucky pagoda
The stock market is a game. It doesn't matter which way it goes people make money and others lose it.
rigid shoal
Nah, stock market down means 99.9% of people lose.
plucky pagoda
That's always the case though.
north torrent
I don't even know how to begin to count the percentage of businesses closed, but I do know over 20% of people are unemployed now and most people are trying not to spend money.
But still the stock market can go up because the Fed can give away an infinite amount of free money and zero interest loans.
The stock market isn't connected to reality and doesn't hurt any real people when it goes down.
rigid shoal
I don't know, there's a real argument to be made for the stock market to go up.
Particularly, that being, no other place to put money, dollar deflation, and the quarantining just being temporary.
plucky pagoda
Before 401Ks the stock market meant nothing to most people.
Not really, most of the prices on the stock market reflect speculation and greed and have very little to do with reality.
Short term moves in the stock market are driven by emotion, perception, greed etc...
rigid shoal
Really hard to be greedy and bullish when companies start reporting extremely poor quarters.
north torrent
401ks are a just a rumor whispered among people of my economic class, something we have heard the rich people have for their future.
rigid shoal
I would not consider 401k's to be an instrument of the super rich. White collar professions, sure.
plucky pagoda
Bullish maybe, but it's not hard to be greedy. There's ways to make money whether it's a bull market or bear market.
rigid shoal
Very little people try to make money in a bear market. It's just too hard.
plucky pagoda
They should be illegal. It's insane to invest nearly the entire retirment of most of the working class in stocks.
north torrent
I thought about just taking this $1,200 and putting it into stocks, but things are way too high right now.
rigid shoal
And most (big) entities aren't even capable or allowed to assume a bearish position.
plucky pagoda
There are bear funds.
north torrent
Invest in oil tankers for all the oil people aren't using.
rigid shoal
but things are way too high right now.
That mentality has screwed lots of people from gains. People have been saying that for a long time now.
Personally, I have missed out from gains made from 2018 - 2020 and it feelsbadman.
fathom wadi
north torrent
The gains have to be pretty damn high for me to set aside my morals and invest in the stock market.
I expect a second large dip in the stock market very soon.
plucky pagoda
The market has been overpriced for a long while, it keeps going up because that's what people want. People want to believe it will keep going up and so it does. Right up until something shakes confidence and everyone sells in a panic.
north torrent
When was the last time the Fed didn't have super low interest rates?
I think Jimmy Carter was president.
rigid shoal
It was highest during Carter/Reagan times.
fathom wadi
Do you think there is a problem if somehow, I keep forgetting to type words in sentences? Im starting to get worried that I'm losing my marbles
sometimes I type completely different words
north torrent
I think you have just been on the computer too long.
plucky pagoda
Maybe. I tend to leave out nouns and pronouns and always have.
north torrent
Sometimes I type the completely wrong word.
rigid shoal
For the past 4 years, I've started to become dyslexic. I'm not just imagining it either.
north torrent
Maybe your about to die...
rigid shoal
I would have liked to release at least one god damn game before I die. Jesus. 😦
north torrent
Well, get to work.
I can't die, I have a particular person I must outlive and desecrate his/her grave.
plucky pagoda
Life goals.
Make a list of the resources you have and the mechanics you can make yourself in a few days. Create a game out of those.
fathom wadi
@north torrent we are all about to die, that doesn't bother me. It's how I represent myself whilst I am alive that does. When I am talking to people in text and missing entire words, I feel like it demeans their confidence in me. I have nothing but my textual representation so it's vital I get it right. I dunno. If I am losing my mind, them perhaps I should just find a new career where I can drift into dementia without much effect on others.
north torrent
Or you could just step away from the computer and catch a break.
fathom wadi
to go where? Im under lockdown
north torrent
Do you multi-task a lot?
fathom wadi
and I have to work
fathom wadi
I multi-task about as much as anyone else. I'm more trying to ignore the noise so I can concentrate tbh. But with 5 kids and a wife in the same room, it's tough
north torrent
Build a bird house that no bird can get into.
plucky pagoda
Can relate, getting a bit stir crazy.
north torrent
That's probably the real difference, Mr. Rogerson, having too many people around while you work.
plucky pagoda
It keeps raining or the weather keeps changing back to cold temps.
Tiny house, too many people.
north torrent
Might not have a fix to that, but at least you can know you aren't losing your brain, you are just stuck with people who usually are out doing other stuff and things.
I have a large apartment all to myself. You can sleep on my couch, but China probably wouldn't let you in.
fathom wadi
certainly not after my criticism of the organ harvesting scandal
Always wanted to visit tho in all honesty
north torrent
They aren't letting anyone in at the moment.
Two teachers at my school are stuck in the US and can't come back.
Both have lived here for a few years and have work visas and a job here.
They put the ban in place 6 days after I got back. I was still in government quarantine.
So anyways, I don't think any of you guys were here earlier when I asked the question of the day.
Who wants to hear the question of the day?
plucky pagoda
idk, sounds kind of like who wants to enter the mountains of madness?
fathom wadi
le quiz de jour
north torrent
It is just the random thing I was thinking about in game design...
I spend too much time thinking about high level stuff about the purpose of when I design, and not enough time actually building shit...
fathom wadi
preparation is key
north torrent
Anyways... here it is...
So, in your modern AAA open world game, how much of the gameplay do you think consists of just following Waypoints on a radar or compass?
plucky pagoda
Way too much.
I hate that.
I hate how everything is just follow this dot to this dot, pick this up and bring it here.
Reskin, retitle, new game same crap.
north torrent
What would you rather play, Simon Says or Where's Waldo?
fathom wadi
thats would presume I played all the open world games. Can't really answer it. But in terms of GTA games, it's definitely something required at first. Although once you know the area well enough, its easy to switch off. Unless the quest is random locations
plucky pagoda
Hmm...
fathom wadi
To be fair, in reality, how many drivers don't use a map/GPS for unknown long journeys. So its kind of realistic
plucky pagoda
our Govener has been acting like he was going to open the state up, he just extended the stay at home order another 29 days.
north torrent
Would you rather have to search for a location or character in a small area, or run a long distance to get to a character marked on your radar?
fathom wadi
marked all the time
plucky pagoda
Still opening up some bussinesses though. I think it's a mistake. People don't understand nuiance.
fathom wadi
I hate being stuck in a loop of trying to find something in a small location. only to end up googling it
north torrent
The reason to open up businesses is to kick people of unemployment benefits. It is purely malicious.
plucky pagoda
It depends. Poorly done systems rely on the ever present marker. It's harder to make an engaging more organic flow.
fathom wadi
The Division 2 had that setup, it was weak sauce. You have to find these lockboxes to get an Exotic sniper rifle. But they were hidden in the most fuckhole of areas.
plucky pagoda
They don't have the money to pay the unemployement.
fathom wadi
and social credit was created...
plucky pagoda
Even at current numbers it's way too much for most states to manage.
north torrent
I think that if you design an environment in a logical way, and you give logical instructions that can be followed using your eyes, not a map, and you hide the object in a logical spot, that it can be more engaging.
But I am just getting opinions of other people, not trying to convince anyone of anything.
inner cloud
if updating project gives problems and errors its better to update them step by step right ?
like between some versions
of engine
north torrent
I think waypoints are required to find items only when the initial design wasn't thought out to begin with, and the developers were just lazy and plopped the thing down in a random location to make you run to.
plucky pagoda
Maybe. It depends on the issues. But some of the versions made big changes.
fathom wadi
@inner cloud yeah. Unless you can find the deprecated code via the patch notes and alter it that way
plucky pagoda
oh man, having one of those Marc moments. Can't remeber the word I'm looking for.
Literal? is that the word I'm looking for.
Avoid literals?
fathom wadi
good to know im now synonymous with forgetting shit. 😉
fortunately I shall forget this ever happen in 5,6,4,2,8...... bingo off
plucky pagoda
I forgot why I'm in a room about 10 times a day.
fathom wadi
https://twitter.com/jessicaramos/status/1256239286908837889?s=20 this is one town, in one state, in one country. Imagine the rest.
I guess I picked the wrong week to quit being depressed
limber breach
Should I make one Blender file that houses all my 3D models or a new blender file per 3D model?
fathom wadi
new per model. Then if you want to collate, import to scene
limber breach
I never thought about that, thanks! :)
plucky pagoda
mild root
Should I make one Blender file that houses all my 3D models or a new blender file per 3D model?
@limber breach it will be better if you make one file per asset. download demo project from blender.org and take a look at its structure https://download.blender.org/demo/test/classroom.zip
fathom wadi
it's disgusting. The interest skimmed off the profits for mid-COVID periods in the top 1% could feed the world, nevermind the country
mild root
besides, keeping everything in separate files makes it easier to control versions
also it prevents you from loosing everything if storage gets error
if one file corrupted, you loose just one asset
fathom wadi
May 1st and the anarchists can't go out smashing up businesses, even though they were the first to walk around with masks on . The irony.
mild root
we have national holiday on may 1st here
fathom wadi
we have bank holidays. Because apparently, banks need a day off
probably so the fatcats can swim in the money like Scrooge McDuck
mild root
¯_(ツ)_/¯
north torrent
May 1st - 5th is labor day holiday here.
fathom wadi
when is child labor holiday? My friend's at Apple need to know
friend's? wtf did I put an apostrophe in there for?
starts in 15 minutes on youtube
2mins
excited face
fathom wadi
oh wtf. I thought this pink floyd thing was a live jam, but its an old replay. FML
plucky pagoda
Yeah.
limber breach
@mild root Thank you!
fathom wadi
Well screw the Floyd (seen that performance many times already) Time for some Wumpscut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8WPr5gA5TU
deleted that last post tbh. It's not right for here
plucky pagoda
It's more of a Wumpscut day anyway.
halcyon lake
what up y'all
mossy nexus
The sky.
halcyon lake
fathom wadi
Twitter
plucky pagoda
oops thought I was in lounge.
fathom wadi
oh man I just cringed myself out
replied to my main account with my alt account.
context... it's from a song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6qOuw8oXRs I like music with humour involved.
real palm
noice
carmine frigate
damn that wumpscut vid is dope
fathom wadi
indeed it is
fathom wadi
so there was this douche, called GamesNosh on twitter. Had 8k+ followers, but is an absolute right wing cocktard who is both homophobic and generally a bully to other people. I don't get how people get followers like that.
plucky pagoda
Spent the last 45 minutes googling modules trying to figure out why my module wouldn't compile and then as I'm about to take a break realized the mouse has been hovering over the problem for most of that time.
Was so focused on the code that I failed to notice I gave it a mispelled name in the IMPLEMENT line
But now have a working BP callable asynch loading screen
fathom wadi
a solved problem is a lesson learned. So gg
plucky pagoda
It's hard switching back and forth from C++ mental mode. Part of it is being able to do so much without C++ that I forget a lot by the time I have to get back into the code.
fathom wadi
yeah I get that a lot. I've been off for a month now and I expect I will have forgotten a lot by the time I get back to it :p
voting for Trump I understand considering he was up against Hillary Clinton. A known criminal who gets away with it because her friends own the FBI
I dont get why people follow peon nasties on twitter tho. They really are vile in the way they act
some obviously left wing people follow him too
well democracy was bought and sold before Bernie came along so he had no real chance
plucky pagoda
The system for voting in the US is broken in many ways. It will never get better without a runoff ballot or something similiar being used for all elections.
fathom wadi
heheh my nickname for one of my kids was runoff
plucky pagoda
It's too easy to split the vote with thirdparty candidates. It punishes any diversity of candidates by giving the election to the one who is most disimiliar to the others.
fathom wadi
its as crazy as people voting conservative in the UK. They were responsible for over 100k deaths through austerity measures, we had a candidate that was almost perfect, but because he said he was going to have another referendum about the EU, people didn't like that. So they voted Tory. Then cried when they had their money reduced or stopped etc.
plucky pagoda
People are stupid.
fathom wadi
The strange thing is, my town voted Tory... but I have never met anyone who admits to voting tory. How can that happen?
the Tory MP in my town is disabled, and voted to cut disability benefits
thats how much of a twat he is
plucky pagoda
That pretty much exemplifies the average voter.
pastel tiger
Anyone has an idea how to make a good "Camera whiskers" system?
My current idea is to trace along the optimal camera position.
But what if an obstacle is found? should the camera get closer or should i try to find a camera position next to the optimal camera position?
I dont want to get infinitely near the player unless there is really no space
dense storm
yeah it is @signal citrus
errant mulch
Can you access learn.unrealengine.com ?
errant mulch
Yup. It's down for 40 mins for me
thorny dock
strange I was just watching courses, I definitely loaded another page at least 10 minutes ago, just went down for me
do you think there is somewhere to report this?
errant mulch
I don't know what I think they probably know of this
north torrent
Gotta download more Nvidia drivers...
azure chasm
I think that if you design an environment in a logical way, and you give logical instructions that can be followed using your eyes, not a map, and you hide the object in a logical spot, that it can be more engaging.
But I am just getting opinions of other people, not trying to convince anyone of anything.
@north torrent you can design it as such, have the most beautiful well thought out intelligently created bio illuminated trail path
and the effing player
goes the other way
north torrent
Well, there are two kinds of gamers. The kind that sees a clear way to go and goes that way, and the kind that sees a clear way to go and wants to go every other way out of curiosity.
azure chasm
but im also referring to humans, and what you may perceive as obvious
others may not
north torrent
I don't see that as a problem. It is only really a problem when a player can't find the right way to go when he or she is finally done looking at every random corner.
azure chasm
especially as a developer
you will have a bias
having seen something
or especially designed it
but thats what play testing is for right
getting people's feedback and seeing how they play
north torrent
I've been playing Detroit Become Human, and you can hold RB and it highlights the parts of the room you need to look at.
It is helpful, but in a way it makes you instantly know where to walk to and check out without having a reason the even look at the environment on the side of the room with no yellow markers...
azure chasm
Detroit become human is very well made
not into slow games or so i say but its one of the good ones
north torrent
But I think the other key to this might be to get away from the idea that there is one solution to a mission.
Maybe it is the idea that the player needs to get 'this specific thing in this specific spot or you can't progress' that is the problem.
If the mission is to get a weapon, then why can't there be multiple weapons in multiple spots. Each well hidden, but also logical. Each one being a different solution to the problem so that people who view the problem from a different mindset still get to 'a' solution as opposed to 'the' solution.
Get away from the idea that the player needs to beat the game 'my way' and embrace that the player can beat the game 'his/her way'.
azure chasm
wasnt detroit become human like that? i didnt play more than like 3 hours
but the first mission seemed a lot like that
that you could "pass" the level
kinda however you wanted
i didnt let thehostage die
so idk if "losing" would have impacted it
north torrent
Or if it is a person, and you can't just have multiple copies of the same person, but you can have following one logical path that isn't 'the' logical path lead you to follow up clues that point you more directly to the person.
Such as you don't find the person at the restaurant, but the waiter tells you he just left and went down the street to the left.
He was wearing a blue jacket.
Detroit Become Human has several branching paths on some missions, so even if you don't do one thing the game can still continue.
I think one way to do the first mission keeps the Android from being killed, but I haven't replayed it and tried.
But then a game like Red Dead Redemption, that is supposed to be an open world sandbox, you have to hide the wagon at this specific location because there is no way any other spot on this entire giant map could ever be considered hidden.
So you can't win the mission until you hide it where Rockstar wants you to hide it.
So you 100% need a waypoint on your map, so you can do what you are told and put the wagon where Rockstar wants it, as opposed to using your brain to think about 'If I was a wagon, where would I hide?'
azure chasm
Good points @north torrent def think rockstar failed on that 1. Havent really been a fan of anything they've done recently, rdr2 included... the whole " open world" definitely feels misused if you have to go to these specific waypiints
To complete something as simple as hiding a wagon
If i was a wagon 😁
north torrent
I played the hell out of Red Dead Redemption 2, but I'm the kind of person who will play games simply because they are beautiful or have an interesting story.
And I don't think that having waypoints makes a game bad.
But I find it to be my duty as a designer to try to think of different ways to make something.
Doing things different doesn't always mean better or worse, but more variety is generally a good thing for the industry.
As small or solo developers people like us can't just compete with Assassin's Creed or Red Dead Redemption by just brute force making a bigger, better game playing by their rules. So I think it is important to not do what they do.
If I can make a game that is better to a niche audience but worse to the general public, then I feel like I succeeded.
azure chasm
rdr2 threw me off when they made me trek thru this snow at like 5mph
got me thru this shootout
and then they're like
open your menu to replenish your health
like we've been here for too long for you to throw tutorials at me now
north torrent
I think large games like that sometimes get an identity crisis. At one point they are trying to be one kind of game, but then this other section made by a different team is trying to be something else.
I'm debating on whether I want to deep clean my new apartment, or just pay someone to deep clean my new apartment...
north torrent
Hmmm... Walmart doesn't have any Nintendo Switches...
north torrent
I wonder if it will work if I buy one from China or Japan...
north torrent
They aren't region locked, but I can't read Chinese.
plucky pagoda
Ah, Should be able to change the language.
north torrent
In theory.
north torrent
I was going to play Mario Kart with my mom. But I need to find two Nintendo Switches first.
plucky pagoda
Yeah there's a few games I'd like to play.
About to crash, been working on a loading screen thing all day and just got it all working.
north torrent
I just want to play the new versions of old SNES games. With my SNES controller.
plucky pagoda
It's not much but it's asynchronous. Copied most of it from the RPG sample project.
Yeah, that'd be nice. There's always emulators.
tulip orbit
Oooh, never been able to get loading screens to work
north torrent
I mean like Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze and such.
My mom doesn't like new videogames, but was always really good at Donkey Kong Country.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, there's a few games I'd like to play.
rigid shoal
Your mom might like Animal Crossing.
Personally, I think Mario Kart is mega trash.