you swim by tappin the tail button?
#lounge
carmine frigate
signal citrus
propulsion is tapping right now yeah, but if you wag the tail you can get momentum too thanks to the viscous force of the water
zinc matrix
i really wanna learn more about unreal but the tutorials put me straight to sleep i wish there was a more fun way of doing it
soft night
I was like could it be alex on education ue streams
pearl elk
Okay so I wasnt expecting a dolphin game, thats interesting
tulip orbit
by dolphins, for dolphins
pearl elk
do they use paddle controllers?
tulip orbit
really big keyboard they boop with their nose
pearl elk
Rudolphin the red nosed...
tulip orbit
... cocaine addict.
pearl elk
Im not sure rock cocaine pickups will get past censors
tulip orbit
Dont worry. I sent sharks to take care of the censors
pearl elk
Maybe start with the critics first then the censors π
tulip orbit
covid will take care of them
pearl elk
So all I have to do is sit back and do nothing, excellent!
pearl elk
Okay so I worked out what I need! I need a make array node which lets me pass elements as pointers to an array reference
Pass by value isnt going to work for me
signal citrus
you want to pass an array by ref?
tulip orbit
pass the potatoes instead
pearl elk
It has to be in BP cuz not all properties are define in C++
I can pass the array by ref its the elements, they have to be pointers
a reference to a set of copied values does nothing for me
signal citrus
your limited in what scenarios you can pass by ref anything
and a lot of the time you still get hidden copies
like it'll do
copy_of(that)
run_blueprint(copy_of)
that=copy_of
pearl elk
Ive traced the code, like I have it working in C++ all the way back to the copy in BP, its 1 step away from the actual reference I need
signal citrus
but yeah you can't pass ref to things like event handlers, or interfaces iirc
pearl elk
I cant pass pointers in a UFunction
pearl elk
yeah so the elements get copied even if the array is a reference
signal citrus
but again, that'll not work everywhere
internally yeah, but mechanically no.
like if you pass a member array as a ref to some bp land thing and it modifies it then calls back to native before returning the member array wont be modified at all
it modifies the in after return
pearl elk
error : Inappropriate '*' on variable of type 'float', cannot have an exposed pointer to this type. this is what happens with UPARAM(ref) TArray<float*>& NewProperties
signal citrus
ah yeah
pearl elk
if I use a struct its a copy
signal citrus
only uobject pointers work there
if you really really want to get into some messed up stuff
hide a tsharedptr in a struct
pearl elk
thing is internally I swear BP must do it with the UFloatProperty
pearl elk
Yeah that shouldnt hurt me at all, object/struct is interchangable
pearl elk
I know why theres no pointer type in BP but I kinda want to use it in a literal so its not really an object
signal citrus
You can have references to structs
just not pointers in arrays yeah
UFUNCTION(BlueprintPure=false,BlueprintCallable=true,Category=Example)
bool ReadDataToArray(UPARAM(ref) TArray<float>&Destination) const;```I mean ideally an array of references would be sweet but I can cheat using a BP Macro if I can get the required type, then I just have individual refs being passed to a pointer array in BP
signal citrus
ye
pearl elk
I bet its an inherent issue with the pins themselves, cuz they are pointers
signal citrus
believe its more about not allowing that sort of thing because its dangerous
if you pass a pointer to .X off a vector inside a uobject and it gets garbage collected etc
signal citrus
pointers aren't safe, the only real exception are uobject types because they are locked to the one thread blueprints run on. that said its not perfect, you can still do nutty stuff. FKey (input key/action thing) is really a dangerous mess
it comes up as a enum in editor but they are natively TSharedPtrs to some struct
they are kind of a testimate to the ability of blueprints to actually properly call the right copy constructor lol
though there is a slight modification to the thing to make that happen
pearl elk
Ahh yeah I know the one, thats like double delegator
signal citrus
yeah, i really wonder if they test wildcard use against these types of things lol
i assume they do though
pearl elk
I mean really it was more a cosmetic fix so the BP didnt have 1000s of setters and instead using a list. I can pass a single float ref easy as
signal citrus
well, the generated body stuff is where the pudding is
wouldn't call the way it works as efficient
pearl elk
Generated Fat more like it π
signal citrus
when its running blueprints its just kind of like function pointer invocation after function pointer invocation with type ids and general halicination
north torrent
Did somebody say pudding?
signal citrus
gross code pudding
north torrent
I want banana pudding.
pearl elk
I can make a heap of functions with different numbers of float ref inputs lol
signal citrus
rip compile times lol
pearl elk
void AddMe(float& FloatA, float& FloatB, float& FloatC... RIP
unfortunately the largest list I can think it might be is up near 10, maybe more, if it were 3 I wouldnt care
Thats 10 chunky function nodes in a row, unless I find a way to set the pointers via a class-name map
I'll have to put a note on that node too, say do not use an array to set these values, it has to be a raw float value so the pointers are valid
north torrent
So no banana pudding?
tulip orbit
that wasnt banana pudding?
north torrent
What was it?
north torrent
The IRS wont send my stimulus check to China... I wonder why.
north torrent
I can use my Bank of America card.
I just wanted to see if they would send my money to China so I could invest it in the Chinese stock market.
tulip orbit
and now you're stuck investing in the US stock market
quite frankly, you're better off sending it to me
north torrent
I can send money to China pretty easily, actually. I just wanted to see if the IRS would do it.
north torrent
But I need booze and hotpot.
tulip orbit
I need smokes and pizza
north torrent
I can't smoke anything, it makes me cough, and then I get quarantined again every time I cough.
tulip orbit
I just get tired after a smoke for some reason
take today for instance, got up, breakfast, smoke, nap. wake up, smoke, nap. aaand repeat
2-3hr naps
north torrent
I actually don't know what I would use the money for if they sent me the money... I just know I'm going to have to pay it back in my taxes eventually, so might as well take it.
I guess I could buy a new monitor since my usual monitor is still locked away.
tulip orbit
could be good
tulip orbit
porn.
north torrent
I don't watch porn very often.
tulip orbit
dont have to with a screen that big
north torrent
Everything needs to update on my computer...
broken sigil
if rumors are true ryzen 4000 series is gonna be interesting
north torrent
I'm planning on buying a Ryzen 4700 unless something big changes in the industry.
I'm saving up money to build a top dollar rig whenever I see what the next generation of tech is. Certainly going to be waiting till I see the next GPUs available.
broken sigil
yeah I'm waiting for 4000 series to come out, gonna get 4950x for my main PC (if intel doesn't come out with something better) and move the current i9 9900k to the second PC which is currently running an i7 6700k (still holding on surprisingly well)
north torrent
My current PC is meant to be my mini-ITX travel pc, so I compromise performance for size sometimes.
In the next year or so I will be making a full size PC meant for raw power.
I'm still not buying into anything with more than 8 cores though.
stiff crystal
you don't work with UE4?
UE4 loves those extra cores for shader and code crunching
broken sigil
yeah I see possible advantages of having a small PC you can take if you are traveling or something
stiff crystal
mini pc's are great if you need to showcase your content live anywhere outside of your offices I suppose π
north torrent
If I can do all my stuff on 4 cores, I'm not sold on needing to get 16 cores.
stiff crystal
I'm still bummed I didn't get the 16c one
still bit sour at AMD pushing 3950x release π
north torrent
My use case is a bit niche, but having a PC that I can take on an airplane with me is pretty much essential to my lifestyle.
broken sigil
well I hope ryzen 4x can match or even have better single threaded performance than intel, that's the thing that will get me to switch to ryzen
north torrent
I will go 8 cores and the best single thread performance.
broken sigil
that's the I9 at the moment, we'll see when ryzen 4 releases
I'm curious
north torrent
But I am more interested in what will happen with PCIE 4.0 in the coming generation.
If I was buying a processor today it would be the Ryzen 3700x to go into my Mini-ITX.
broken sigil
also apparently we might get ddr5 ram this year
north torrent
Going any higher seems to be adding heat and taking more power with no returns from it.
Not worth it when you are working with small form factor power supplies and trying to keep the heat down in something small.
broken sigil
depends what you are using it for, there are definitely things that can properly utilize all threads
Games still aren't there quite yet, most don't use more than 8
My biggest issue with my i9 is that it takes around 220W at full load...
pearl elk
broken sigil
dim ruin
omg. I tried that autodesk character generator. That thing is hot garbage. look at this shit lol
this is supposed to be a semi-buff military type dude according to their crap
it has some pretty over-pronounced moobs
this thing:
https://charactergenerator.autodesk.com/
pearl elk
its a genderless military drone
dim ruin
its a dumpster fire
pearl elk
tactical boobs for espionage deployment
dim ruin
apparently people pay $65 a year for access to that trash lol
tough sierra
Does ue4 have a MeshCluster of sorts that allows one to swap out the entire transform buffer of meshes within said cluster?
pearl elk
Doesnt HLOD do that kinda thing as well?
alpine fern
no, hlod is just more meshes
with an external hlod tree for hiding more detailed meshes as the bigger ones become relevant
it does no further rendering optimizations
if you set up hlod wrong (i.e. without reduction) it'll just run slower than without
tough sierra
It doesn't work exactly like that.
Unless it's able to let you update all instances with a single transform buffer with one draw call.
Which to my mind would have so much potential.
I was struggling for a long time trying to find a way to control the transforms of all the meshes manually. Using a hism manager, if it gives me that kind of control, fuck it i'd come back.
That'd make it possible to use ue4 mostly as a rendering framework like de dream~
mild root
@dim ruin try mb-lab for blender.
alpine fern
an instanced static mesh literally has a transform buffer, so yes it works like that
tough sierra
O.O
north torrent
I turned my second bedroom into an office.
tough sierra
Now i'm jelly.
north torrent
I put in two different kinds of blackout curtains. One is 99% and one in 90%.
Sometimes having it too dark during the day is disorienting in a way.
tough sierra
Dang i'm not the only one who avoids excess sunlight.
Doing stuff like this in any engine, especially async, opens a world of possibilities.
north torrent
It's bad for seeing your computer screen.
Or in my case, my broken TV...
That stuff exists in a whole different world than I, Mr. Koi.
tough sierra
It's performance related functionality.
I should have spent more time learning graphics programming to really accomplish what I wanted it seems.
north torrent
I would probably have more money right now if I studied that.
tough sierra
Not exactly true.
Unless a studio hires you.
It's a bit like engine dev, very hardcore. I'm not sure how far you need to be before getting hired.
north torrent
There are generally a lot more jobs in that than doing what I do.
But I generally avoid the game industry.
I'm downloading Mass Effect Andromeda...
mint onyx
if you set up hlod wrong (i.e. without reduction) it'll just run slower than without
@alpine fern π€ where do you see the increased cost? GPU? or CPU?
tough sierra
What is hlod?
alpine fern
I haven't actually used it myself, so idk 
vblanco was talking about how on his game hlod with no reduction ran significantly slower than letting the new auto instancing do the work
a while ago
tough sierra
Ooooh i think i just figured out why auto instancing didn't do well on my test.
It's probably not meant for insanely high counts. If it just piles all meshes onscreen into a single instanced group every frame.
Since i had thousands of actors on screen.
That'd be a lot of redone calculations, and a large buffer to sent to the gpu.
Even if it's not sending every individual mesh.
It makes sense now.
It's an improvement, but not a cure all.
pearl elk
The auto instancing should do a good job but you still have to be mindful of performance from an art asset perspective, unique materials typically wont be batched
plucky pagoda
tough sierra
It wasn't the art
I tested with my own custom hism manager.
It outperformed it by absolute miles. 20 fps all the way to 90+
pearl elk
what meshes though, simply saying thousands of actors means nothing to me
tough sierra
Each actor was basically a grass mesh, had it's own swaying animation that seemed dependent on the position of the mesh to simulate wind... Hmm maybe it was a material thing.
pearl elk
if youre trying to replicate an RTS for example there will be unit types so a material channel per unit unless you batch them
tough sierra
I absolutely needed each mesh to be an actor at the time, or a game object in some sense, since they were supposed to be interactable.
pearl elk
so you were using the individual world location of every mesh in the scene and wondering why it was slow?
tough sierra
That project was for a 7 days to die style clone somewhat. Open world crafting.
Each actor at first had it's own mesh.
That proved awful.
So using a custom hism manager fixed it easily.
It was basically static for the most part save the animation effect. Same mesh settings in both cases.
GPU wasn't pushed to it's limits at all.
pearl elk
well if youre talking just display you need to account for gameplay ontop
tough sierra
The new system had an index wrapper for each actor, so they knew their instance.
It was just display, no tick or anything going on.
Literally just starting the game, looking at the grass, that's it.
There was a physics body but same settings with both tests.
So no i call some measure of bullshit on the new instancing system being a cure all.
Hell i gave video proof a while ago.
pearl elk
you cant just spawn meshes for years though, it'll never be performant without culling and lodding
tough sierra
Now that may be a point, maybe the auto instancing system doesn't do LODs and such right like a hism would.
pearl elk
It just sounds like your specific scenarios are breaking the instances in which these tools work, the space in which a majority of us work. Ofcoarse Epic wont support outliers
tough sierra
That's actually about correct.
The outliers are openworld crafting, and rts, or anything with high numbers of dynamic "game objects"
In some sense or another.
pearl elk
Like for instance many people would have modular static meshes used around a map, its not all dynamic or subject to change so they can be batched more easily
tough sierra
Correct, i don't believe auto instancing does a good job for static meshes.
Dynamic ones it would.
pearl elk
I think you should look into having a static system which switches on dynamics when you need them rather than trying to run a full simulation all the time.
tough sierra
Err ones that move nearly every frame.
For that use case it was pretty much static all the time. Grass doesn't change positions after all. Though it can disappear or catch fire in that instance.
pearl elk
Ive seen plenty of big ideas when it comes to open world crafting but in practice their performance tends to suck because they do everything all the time
tough sierra
You'd not get anywhere doing that ouch.
Maybe it's a miscommunication, when people said that the auto instancing does the job, i assumed that included static meshes as well.
Non dynamic ones.
lost bison
^can't prove security flaws if you don't have a copy of the game 
pearl elk
you need to work in a way in which the system will still apply rather than creating a scenario in which is breaks, work with the engine than against it
I need it done X way cuz open world crafting is not a really valid technical argument in my opinion
tough sierra
Sorry this is related to something from the past. When i showed off the hism manager and it's use case and the performance improvements everyone assumed that it wasn't actually helping performance at all. Or the ones that responded at least.
pearl elk
Yes Ive seen the conversations on the topic, Im just not seeing any systems design in terms of gameplay. Having a technically superior solution is great, if I cant already design around it using existing engine features wisely
pearl elk
In my experience its a design problem not a technical one
7 Days to Die is probably one of the worst open world crafting games Ive ever played
but maybe thats because they decided to spend time on technical stuff instead of gameplay π
tough sierra
It's so that each entity/block/terrain piece can be dynamically destroyed/burned/changed in some way (one at a time) and offer some dynamics to the crafting system and gameplay.
The technical stuff fed into the gameplay a lot.
pearl elk
The Forest on the other hand, very engaging, not really open world but the game design and story are fun without needing dynamic objects and thousands of bats in every cave
pearl elk
They knew the limitations and worked within them
yeah the same stick and rock, wonder why that is aye... Unity mesh batching perhaps
tough sierra
They could go with more types of vegetation or such, or if your a fan of minecraft it's basically all about batching static data but in a very dynamic way.
pearl elk
Not to say you cant be ambitious, just that thousands of moving meshes on screen always makes me hurt inside. Thats coming from a FPS shooter background where even with all that action in a small arena theres not thousands of actors on screen moving π
tough sierra
I had an issue with the typical solution that was, detecting the type of mesh and perform your actions based on that, an actor isn't really better, but it allowed one to more easily give a type/entity to every foliage piece so you got more wiggle room to do what you want.
Assuming one went the way of using the foliage tool.
pearl elk
Visually people tend to want reduced noise in these games not more, clarity can help you manage goals rather than just having a blur which extends to your brain
Obviously there might be scenarios when its called for but an expanse of nothing can drive emotion and player engagement just as much as a full space if used right
You can see it alot in the stylized games which are popular in the action market, something like Anthem is just too noisy and hurts peoples heads
tough sierra
The stuff i'm rather fond of is something like warzone 2100, 7d2d, factorio, things that actually push the hardware mechanically in a way that gives extra depth.
pearl elk
Even the voxel games you mention, heavily stylized which makes the visual noise less. Im seeing Minecraft get better graphics all the time but I'll bet it sticks with the big cubes instead of going with zillions of tiny ones because of clarity over quantity
tough sierra
For sure.
It could use much more optimizations though, would be nice to have better support for factory mods.
Not to say it's exactly bad even as is though.
pearl elk
As a designer it tends to be my job to cut things as well as create so if I can see a way of merging 3 monsters into a single boss or merging sections of levels or missions I'll go with that. Sometimes I find with games its like why did they add this needlessly when they could do X and get a better experience so that tends to be where my goals are
I love in Rollercoaster Tycoon how you can edit every little facet of things, I got right down there a few times but the truth is not many people both building walls individually if theres a template system.
tough sierra
Which is useful, a programmer's job is to give the tools necessary to push the hardware to enable more creative flexibility.
pearl elk
I just wouldnt assume because you have the tools that theres more creativity there, it could just be more performance chewed up on fat
If your game is good and runs like crap then you optimize it might be that it ends up better since you worked within tighter constraints
tough sierra
That's somewhat so/so
You can't change large systems.
Without a refactor at least.
That means doing it all over.
But in that same way, at least you test mechanics.
pearl elk
Yes which is why they become difficult to manage without tools ontop of that, like you can have a system which supports thousands of units on screen but actually interacting with them in meaningful ways thats another thing all together.
Using old style RTS controls for instance wont give you a good experience
tough sierra
That's not really a thing that's a concern for a DOD programmer that mostly deals with engine and scale related issues. That's more a separate thing that doesn't even interfere.
pearl elk
Theyve actually done some tests and very few people actually notice the entire screen at once, usually youre focused on one area which is why adaptive resolution scaling based on the center of the screen is a thing
tough sierra
It's not about what you see, it's mechanical depth most times... Though then again warzone is fun to play in with 3v3v3 especially toward the end when one side is launching hundreds of rockets at every enemy base. Kind of a satisfying ending.
pearl elk
I think youre confusing depth with visual fidelity, going back to Minecraft its all big blocks and people love its depth
tough sierra
It's mechanical depth is due to a lot of performance tricks, voxels aren't easy to make.
It does seem to use a component system and "some" elements of DOD.
Even graphically speaking there was a lot of work put in.
pearl elk
As someone whos tried coding gameplay systems for this mechanical depth you speak I know its difficult. I hope you have some systems apart from just rendering thousands of meshes
north torrent
For something like a first person shoot shoot game, I think the idea of just scaling it up to a larger 2k or 4k screen doesn't work all that well.
I think it would make more sense to keep the main stuff going on in the middle of the screen, and then use the rest of the outside space just for prereferral vision and immersive feeling.
But having the hud in the corners doesn't always work, depending on how far you are sitting from said screen.
tough sierra
There is planetside 2.
pearl elk
If I can add depth and you cant even notice, thats when I succeed π
tough sierra
Which is more an MMO fps.
Occasionally you get into battles with hundreds of players in viewable range.
And it's kind of nice.
That's actually pretty much why it's the only FPS game i even touch anymore.
You might call it fluff but it really does add an insane amount of depth since there's mechanics built around this. Gives a very different feeling.
pearl elk
I like that kinda scenario but I dont like the one where youre a solo player running for miles across uninteresting landscape to get somewhere either
pearl elk
So youve programming a mechanical system to control people?
tough sierra
Lot of strategy depth with armored cullums to, mixing sundys and tanks just right.
pearl elk
The experience is too inconsistent, it requires a huge investment from the player which not everyone has time for
tough sierra
At the time it was a system to make most static entities in the world destructable, and have additional properties like flammable depth, maybe even being conductive who knows. And giving them all different amounts of different kinds of mats to drop when destroyed.
Exactly it's a niche.
A very passionate one.
pearl elk
Doesnt make it a well designed experience I guess is what Im saying no matter how technically amazing π
I think some people can just let things slide more than others, Ive just never played an open world game which didnt bore me. Like not a single one
I guess its like going to Mc Donalds and trying to eat through everything on the menu
north torrent
What is the difference between an open world game and a sandbox game?
tough sierra
Honestly there might be different perspectives on the terminology.
hasty cargo
open world is pretty broad
pearl elk
sandbox gives the player unlimited agency, open world tends to be story driven, they can be both
signal citrus
Pronunciation
tough sierra
If we are going with that definition then i'm referring to sandbox.
But of a large scale.
Ideally with some good multiplayer.
hasty cargo
i wonder where stalker falls into in the categories
pearl elk
open world sandbox with multiplayer, the bane of my existence
Im sure it can be done amazingly but people are too focused on scale not experience
signal citrus
Team bondi weβre probably the only people who could do non sandbox open world
north torrent
I've always wondered if my game was considered to be open world, or just a small sandbox.
I am certainly pushing for the non-linear approach of letting the player approach goals at his or her own pace or way of exploring, but the scale being incredibly small is an important aspect of what I want in the game. It is a feature, and not just a compromise because of my small team.
tough sierra
Trove?
pearl elk
Showing my age here but Second Life is about as sandbox as they come
north torrent
Does the amount of choices matter?
pearl elk
its not about choice, its about agency, if you force the player down a route thats not agency
you could have hundreds of choices but if they are all predefined theres no agency
pearl elk
You can do things like split linear narratives
tough sierra
But really it's more about content, there's different flavors and different people like different things. Some may enjoy something with less agency.
pearl elk
thing with sandbox games is youre assuming the player has creative potential, not everyone does, some people want to be spoonfed
tough sierra
^ case in point.
pearl elk
have you ever seen a movie which was like here film it yourself then watch?
tough sierra
A game is an interactive medium. Though there are movies with some interactivity.
pearl elk
you can play games inside a sandbox, a sandbox might even be gamified by I dont believe they are inherently game π
an open world can be just that, a virtual worlds where you walk around and do nothing
tough sierra
You'd be amazed how many hours my younger sister sank into "sims" games and I never understood why.
north torrent
I don't like it when games are so open ended about letting the player do anything, that there ends up being no story.
Nothing wrong with that, but it isn't what I look to buy.
pearl elk
I put that down to lazy design myself
tough sierra
If we are having this conversation to make points, not everyone wants the same things, there are for sure games which need technical depth and optimizations even from the very start. That's my niche.
pearl elk
First thing you should do with design is put in some constraints, if all your constraints say no constraints, youve got a problem
north torrent
For example, I like to play games live Civilization, but I always feel a bit disappointed in the lack of story that comes from the gameplay, if that makes any sense.
I guess what I mean is I like to see reactions to the things I do.
tough sierra
Due to not building up enough tools to last incoming mobs.
Created through the world around the player.
tough sierra
I'm for sure not a great designer, and i do have weird tastes like some, and I realize this.
It works being solo though.
pearl elk
Im not trying to criticize, you obviously enjoy the types of games you play most.
north torrent
I view myself more as a storyteller. That's what I have put years of study into, using the technology available to me to tell a story. Gameplay is just one tool that can be used for my goal.
tough sierra
You remind me of the perspective i have on popular music, i dislike the lack of depth and variance. It all sounds the same. Though there's times I wonder if it's perspective.
pearl elk
I just feel that limitations are where innovations happen, because people are forced to work with what they have infront of them
tough sierra
To a programmer obsessed with simulation based works and optimizations, it's the same. It's hardware limitations though. Same as the 3D game boom in the ps1 era.
pearl elk
It mirrors my view on sandboxes actually, if you give me all the tools upfront I get bored and just mess around. If you give me constraints and ask me to build something my mind is challenged and I have to use my technical prowess to achieve that goal
tough sierra
You could make something unique by doing something in a way that's better than everyone else.
north torrent
I would rather have simple popular music that tells a story and creates an emotion than some very complex and masterfully played jazz that only really tells the story of 'look how technically skilled I am'.
But that's just me.
tough sierra
I honestly don't think modern music even tells a story. The popular stuff at least.
It's all sex.
pearl elk
Ive seen some really amazing producers who cant make music for crap, what they do make sounds top quality though, its this really odd thing like opposite of lofi, Id call it hifi but thats confusing
north torrent
I wasn't claiming that it did.
tough sierra
It's for sure not an easy thing to measure.
And i feel like a hypocrite because i listen to hundreds of touhou remixes.
Though there's hundreds of game tracks to begin with.
pearl elk
So what would be the musical equivalent of thousands of units on screen attacking you? Goa?
moombahthon?
Melodic thrash death core?
tough sierra
An exaggeration, though more mechanical depth might be compared to more instruments played at once. Though I like a varied and strong melody to begin with.
north torrent
I am not experienced with making game music. For my current project I focus on taking high quality sound libraries and playing simple things that doesn't muddy the great sounds I am using.
Then I just use my complex system I came up with to help me find fitting music for different parts of the game.
pearl elk
I dunno I cant think of anything musically with more mechanical depth than a symphony
tough sierra
Funny you mention that, from what i'm told a lot of modern popular music supposedly actually remixes and reuses a lot of the same assets.
Not saying that's exactly bad.
north torrent
I have intentionally stayed away from orchestra in my game.
pearl elk
but you have the conductor who controls which instruments play when, they dont all play at once, some even add very little technically but still offer a great impact emotionally on the listener
tough sierra
Games of scale do reuse a lot of the same things, instanced meshes for example. Modularity works about the same.
pearl elk
Sometimes its the absence of sound not the sounds which matter, the timing, the cadence. Thats how you create tensions, if Hitchcock threw everything at you it'd be boring instead he spaces it out and drip feeds the audience
tough sierra
Of course when you get down to it it's all about balance.
A person's existence is partially or maybe largely based on nothing.
Both physically and sentience wise.
north torrent
pearl elk
As I said earlier as someone who comes from full on action games having alot of things happening on screen can loose its appeal without those other moments to build it up. Its difficult to do that without narrative, there are games which attempt narrative MMO like things but they arnt sandboxes
north torrent
This is one of my favorite libraries that I bought for my music. I try not to do too much with the music, and just let the sound of the instrument linger there.
pearl elk
Its important to have constraints, everything games are easy to design and impossible to make
tough sierra
That track's not bad.
north torrent
Each instrument represents a character or concept in the story, and I keep the number of instruments limited to keep it clear in the player's mind.
Then I try to represent locations or events with different riffs in the music.
Locations play more into the percussion side of things.
pearl elk
yeah those associations are important so people remember things intuitively rather than having to carry around a big pad they been writing in for years
north torrent
I use systems to do things that most artists do intuitively without thinking about it.
But I do odd things like chart out characters on a color wheel to make sure I have a good balance for a project, deliberately choosing which parts of the color wheel I want to leave out.
And that doesn't just go for the character designs, but all the way to the post process volumes I use to limit certain colors.
But the instruments and the shapes and the colors and many other things all have to come together to build up the characters.
I have yet to bring cinematography into the loop of individual characters in a story, however. I'm not sure if I will or not, or just focus the cinematography on the plot without emphasis on individuals.
tough sierra
That reminds me a bit of zun's character design.
He doesn't give a lot of "direct" character depth.
He uses artistic and story elements to allow the consumer to make their own feelings/assumptions about it.
north torrent
What do you mean by 'character depth'?
tough sierra
Somehow that made touhou a rather very big fandom with an absolute fuckton of fan art/music/videos/games/everything.
Well the characters don't have a real ton of dialog.
You don't see them have a lot of direct character archs either. No story to drive and influence their future behavior.
Well not exctly true...
It's like...
Ever played final fantasy 12? The fandom hated it because it's not character driven plot.
It's event driven plot and the characters are along for the ride.
Personally I loved it.
north torrent
I played just over half of Final Fantasy 12.
tough sierra
Oh dang that's rare to know someone who has.
north torrent
I got further into 12 than I ever did 13.
tough sierra
See you don't get a lot of those moments in touhou where a character changes their mind/perspective. They seem a wee bit one dimensional when taken at face value.
Same.
It broke the formula but I really loved the direction.
And the gambit system.
Was like a sneaky way to get the audience to actually program their own mechanics.
north torrent
Everything I do is pretty dialogue based though, as I enjoy writing dialogue and dialogue wheels.
tough sierra
See in the touhou fandom a lot of the dialog comes from the manga and fan made stuff.
Like they take the rough blueprint, and do their own spin on it.
With their own depth.
And it's self perpetuating.
north torrent
I think giving players something to 'share' or something that makes them feel like they are adding something to the community is a key aspect of going viral.
Or at least having a cult following.
tough sierra
That's basically it yeah.
Kind of the same for chili's community. The one who made a bunch of C++ game programming tutorials.
north torrent
So for one, a character should be simple enough that a 6 year old could draw it and people would know it is that character.
So elements of the shapes and color should be recognizable instantly even if the fan art is done by a small child.
tough sierra
The touhou series does this by having specific clothing and things attached to the characters, for example my avatar is Koishi from the series actually >.< Purple looking third eye makes it easy to stand out.
north torrent
Undertale and Sonic are examples of not so great character design becoming a cult obsession with fan art people, because it was easy for them to draw, or draw themselves as a character in it.
My Little Pony is another one. Bad character design that is simple enough that it became a cult obsession of sorts.
tough sierra
I only watched a couple episodes, the story was surprisingly interesting despite lack of character depth.
Was somewhat funny to watch to.
north torrent
My goal is to have recognizable shapes and colors without having to resort to low poly low fidelity art assets.
tough sierra
Look at the touhou series then, the fighting games specifically since the normal bullet hells done by zun have low res character portraits, and his art wasn't exactly... Fleshed out.
north torrent
But I will generally start by looking to repeat a shape throughout the character's silhouette.
tough sierra
Not a bad idea.
tough sierra
Keep at it please. I think you could make something interesting if your able to stay ontop of it.
north torrent
So that's when I start trying to incorporate the shape language into the silhouette without any other detail or color.
Both the color and the shape should be instantly recognizable apart just as much as they should work together.
pearl elk
lol Pat the miner
median wraith
Didn't know Pat was on that
north torrent
I actually named Pat the Miner after an old lady I used to work with. Her name was Patricia but we called her Pat.
ancient ingot
arse!
median wraith
Oh no
north torrent
She was super short, so I named the biggest, strongest character after her.
median wraith
XD
Short it's better cannot be catch
That's why they find me always at hitman
Imagine if Hitman were 150
north torrent
Well, Pat the Miner isn't a hitman... he is a miner... he carries ore out of a mine...
A copper and nickel mine to be exact.
He looks something like that.
median wraith
Nice
pearl elk
thats his C++ shovel
deep glen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0RX59G2jaA
meanwhile when I moved, the movers pushed it all in the truck, left it at our home, and went off. hehe
soft night
fast movers like effects
median wraith
@fathom wadi that was really kind from your side
fathom wadi
just what you deserve tbh. They say hard work pays off eventually, well time is running out. Some people around here need paying off
median wraith
well tbh you was one of the ones if no "the one" that posted more things from my or helped me on the spot light the most
fathom wadi
thats the easy bit. You are the one doing the hard work
fathom wadi
oof. Been scraping social media looking for jobs to share that I feel are legit, and came here to check LFT and bar one, they are all royalty scams π¦
deep glen
I would not call it a scam, but more a "no other means of paying, and we dont want to say "work for us for free" so yea"
pearl elk
Yeah but I feel like things were better when people admitted they were working for nothing, in the mod community people really advertised their project better because your interest was the deciding factor not the paycheck
Ive seen mod recruitment posts that were better than kickstarters lol
fathom wadi
@deep glen I've never been paid a dime from any royalty offers I've taken. I stopped taking them a couple of years ago and now I seem to have grown a resentment to them.
deep glen
if I did not have to care about income, I'd think it be fun to take on a free/royalty fee job and just go nuts on vfx. but well... not the world we live in.
And because I sorta share that sentiment, I kinda feel like I shouldnt ask other people for help (for free)to get a vert-slice/mockup of gameideas going.
fathom wadi
I guess its ok if you are starting out and just want the portfolio (main reason I did it) but there comes a time when some of these things earn money, and you still don't see anything.
its all "ahh well we had to pay taxes and marketing costs and we put some back into the company and we need to keep the investor we never told you about happy (who are probably getting your share now) etc"
pearl elk
Royalties shouldnt be offered as full payment, they should only be a bonus ontop of payment in my opinion. Id rather someone just admit they are paying me nothing and treat me like an equal rather than pretending to hold imaginary money over me
deep glen
^
I'd make it one of my main priorities in such case to pay/gift those who helped me along the way. (minus initial tax/cost deductions ofcourse)
fathom wadi
yeah I'd prefer that too
stray hill
Obviously you need to be incredibly judicious with your time. Still possible to find some good projects though.
fathom wadi
We should have a token fee for portfolio driven work. Perhaps just enough to buy a pizza, you know. Keep the electricity running for a month
pearl elk
DevCoin, ICO going out now
stray hill
@pearl elk definitely man. We have seen that many times. Especially the young leader who thinks they need to choke hold people to make then work
fathom wadi
Im in
north torrent
I think there is a difference between working for someone and working with someone on something you both decided on.
stray hill
Did anyone here work with the dino vs human project? David prassel
fathom wadi
@stray hill Yep I was told to finish a bugfix in a day once. I said "I will try" and they said "If it's not fixed I will have to find someone else". So I quit because who the fudge even says that to someone working for free
stray hill
Wooo eeee. He was a piece of work
deep glen
its also odd to expect someone to work on your project for free indefinitely. I'd rather have them ask people for small aspects. not only means that you dont/cant rely on such a person for a longer period of time, you also wont wear them out as much.
stray hill
@fathom wadi exactly.. i see that stuff pretty often
pearl elk
There are people who are more manager types and thats fine, every project needs all types of people but coming from modding I found mutual respect to be very important. It also helps to breed a better level of communication which can benefit the project, if you cant tell it like it is from day one youre in trouble.
stray hill
And have a plan
fathom wadi
As GW Bush once immaculately stated "I don't care if we live in a dictatorship, as long as I am the dictator". This sums me up in game dev these days :p
north torrent
When I was doing modding, I would run into guys that were like, "I've always wanted to make music for games and blah blah blah" so I would just send them some stuff about what I was working on and say, "Hey, if you want to make some music for this, we can work together".
But I would never expect anything from that person.
stray hill
Good strategy yeah
fathom wadi
I wouldn't take free work really. It's usually sub-par and is someone's learning experience. So why would it be right first time? I've been doing this for years and I refactor almost everything I do :p
stray hill
Well. We started offworld industries on sweat equity.. 100% the first year
About 6-7 modders
north torrent
When I worked in modding it was more about finding out what each person enjoyed doing and finding a way they could find success within the project as a whole. Let them use the project as a stepping stone for his or her own goals.
pearl elk
When I have to manage people working for free I always give them some agency, try to make sure they actually want to be doing the task so I give them options and check in. If I were paying someone I would expect them to be much more proactive but its not always the case π
I mean ideally people set their own tasks cuz they know exactly what to do already and you just nod
north torrent
If someone isn't getting paid, then that person is part of the team and should be in on the discussion of what the group as a whole wants to do.
fathom wadi
When I employ people for free, I usually presume they are desperate and naive so I exploit them to the max, until they are all used up, then I throw them away. But then that goes back to my motto.... EA, it's in the game.
stray hill
Till you get about 10-15 people then it becomes constant unsolicited advice
Hehe
Lolo
north torrent
If you have that many people then it is time to start earning some money, Mr. Taxi.
fathom wadi
yeah 10-15 people, you can shift about 25kg of coke a week if they all have a car
stray hill
Haha
north torrent
But who has that many free people actually working on a project?
Usually stuff like that is 3 or 4 people who care about it.
stray hill
We definitely had 12 by time we did our kick starter
But it had gained some momentumn at that point i guess
But i would think it would be unusual
pearl elk
lol 10-15 people, you mean 7 people, 2 need a baby sitter, 1 is MIA and the others have no idea what theyre doing π
median wraith
@pearl elk thank you
fathom wadi
I saw someone with a team of 15 people working free last month. I didn't trust them as far as I could throw them (I know it can be legit) but someone he said didn't add up.
stray hill
Some mods though project reality was over 40 at one point
fathom wadi
project reality was the original name of the N64
pearl elk
We gotta start celebrating the annual Hevedy Engine launch
fathom wadi
Hengine
north torrent
Anymore I would rather just do things myself. Works better when you aren't working with modding an existing franchise with a built in fanbase.
stray hill
π
pearl elk
Im tryin the solo dev thing atm
fathom wadi
yeah I like to do it myself, but then I also don't have the money to order others to do it. Because I would if I had the money
north torrent
Being a solo developer makes me happy. I got tired of organizing other people.
fathom wadi
yeah but then you have all the pressure to complete
pearl elk
but that responsibility helps, knowing its all on you and you cant blame anyone else
fathom wadi
I have an attention span of around 80% when I work solo. I get through about 80% of the work, then I start getting bored with the grind and want to do something else.
pearl elk
when I work with other people I spend 50% of my time doing their job
fathom wadi
heh yeah that happened to me in webdev and continued
fathom wadi
yeah but 40% to investors, 20% to the taxman and sorry no royalties left :p
pearl elk
together we can almost have the power of one person
stray hill
Exactly think of the possibilities!!!!
pearl elk
we should make a better minecraft in rust
fathom wadi
sings The Beatle's All Together Now
stray hill
fathom wadi
We should all do a secret project, called Real Competition. It's like Unreal Tournament but we finish it Β¬_Β¬
pearl elk
Fictitious Contest
north torrent
False Bracket
fathom wadi
Unbelievable scuffle
pearl elk
Illusory Clash
north torrent
Unusual Sporting Event
fathom wadi
I really wanted them to finish that game, but I had the impression it was not a good idea to do a community thing
fathom wadi
lol the only game mode with a refractory period between rounds.
well the jobs look dry today, so I shall slink away and play some games. Stay safe folks
north torrent
I started playing Mass Effect Andromeda.
pearl elk
I got bored of that one, the environments look great but the place spaces are abit dud
Plus I upset one of my alien gfs
bool Dashing; this should default to true right, cuz we're all very dashing π
swift flame
so I have steamvr installed, is there any way to prevent it from launching every single time I open up the unreal editor?
north torrent
I found a new cat. I gave it a can of my favorite tuna.
median wraith
lmao
north torrent
I've seen that somewhere before.
mild root
I'm wondering why people mad at apple for 700$ wheels for their pc case
because it is price for 4 wheels, not 1 wheel
north torrent
That's only $175 a wheel! That's a bargain.
mild root
apple just cares about safety of your macpro
north torrent
So how much for wheels on my RTX 2080ti?
soft night
https://clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessHardTeaMVGame I found a dog yesterday
mild root
swift flame
the mac pro isn't designed for you
swift flame
higher end ones
mild root
just buy product
north torrent
Is the Mac pro designed for anything other than being pretentious?
mild root
and get exited about next products
swift flame
no, it's mostly for studios who need a lot of rendering or computing power
soft night
you want MacChair?
mild root
don't they use linux servers?
no, it's mostly for studios who need a lot of rendering or computing power
@swift flame
swift flame
beats me
that's up to the studio
but it's designed to house xeon processors, which are high core count, lots of ram, etc
and have them in a nice convenient package
lucid walrus
so unreal is a bit like the mac pro... mostly for hollywood studios these days π
mild root
amd epuk
heh'
but it's designed to house xeon processors, which are high core count, lots of ram, etc
@swift flame im sure it's irony
north torrent
mild root
but handling cooling and picking parts is tedious
swift flame
I have a 2nd gen threadripper with 12 cores :v
north torrent
mild root
I have a 2nd gen threadripper with 12 cores :v
@swift flame what frequency does it have?
north torrent
I can't afford Autodesk, so I had to switch to Blender.
mild root
hmmm
mild root
@north torrent blender is fine, especially if you don't do complex simulations in it or particle systems
swift flame
I need to learn blender and zbrush
north torrent
Why would I do that, Mr. Bay?
swift flame
simulations are useful for baking down
mild root
so, while maya users are here, does it have modifier stack?
north torrent
I use Zbrush as my primary modeling tool, I will pay big money for that. But my secondary more traditional modeling tool only gets used about 10% of the time.
swift flame
like making a trash particle system and throwing trash around
north torrent
So even though I spent most of my career doing 3ds Max, I am not using Blender.
swift flame
then baking down
north torrent
I do all particle effects in Unreal.
mild root
something simple is simple, but when you try to do some specific stuff, blender particles may become inconsistent. weird mesh orientations, etc.
north torrent
Doesn't sound like something I need to do to make a game.
mild root
when I mentioned complex simulations, I meant scale, like millions of particles
or erosion simulation for landscapes, in blender it is too slow
north torrent
I use Gaea for that.
mild root
or even landscape generation. blender generates grid mesh, which takes gigabyte of disk space. While heightmap for that landscape may take only 10MB
north torrent
I'm going to get this later this year when I start working on my characters.
zinc matrix
Halo 2 Anniversary on max settings at 5860x1080 :))
tough sierra
moving companies even exist? sounds expensive.
zinc matrix
Hey guys anyone interested in helping me devlope a game. IM willing to give a 20 Percent cut for all profits made
tough sierra
personally, i'm done with indie royalty based projects.
if you ask in the forums someone'll bite though.
for the most part it's going to be armatures probably at least that's my experience working with teams like that. which isn't a bad thing, just if that's what your going for it'd be best to keep the scope extremely small. like a tower defense game.
or a super basic platformer without advanced ai.
if i met someone with a history of releasing games i'd be happy to work for a royalty.
this coming from someone who's spent 8 years of his life doing various game prototypes. none of which got put on the market yet.
also helps if you mention the position your looking for. if you want someone with multiple skills that's extra royalty they'll want.
signal citrus
@kind bone @novel sparrow you can get huge gains from fast storage with anything
but measured
if these workstations have people using them, go for nvm
novel sparrow
@signal citrus @kind bone Thanks, though I keep getting differing opinions on this and it's hard to parse, perhaps different use cases people have. Have you had experience with the improvement from SATA to NVME in say, project opening speed, lightmass builds, or compilation times?
Also, any UE4 experience with Intel's Optane?
signal citrus
all of the above
novel sparrow
Great, good to know!
kind bone
Honestly I didn't consider how long it normally takes for UE4 to open a new project -- even having NVMe over SSD would probably make measurable improvement there. I'm on the 3d modeling and asset creation side of things so most programs I open are pretty quick regardless
novel sparrow
That's still helpful, thanks for the info Mold
Does anyone split UE4 engine install folder and the project between different SSDs? I've heard some people say that helps speed things up as well
If that's the case I might pick up two drives for the machines
signal citrus
you can check youtube for all kinds of misleading data on different bottlenecks
its possible to have some other hardware impede storage performance/demand
to where sata is somehow in the same category as nvm
but generally, many times faster, especially if pcie4.0 is an option
and yeah splitting up helps io
i put engine source on one ssd when i have mutliple and it can help cpp compile times
novel sparrow
I see, makes sense. Yeah I'm going with PCIE 4.0, though I wish the 7 Gbps controllers were out already
kind bone
NVMe > SSD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HDD
signal citrus
recenlty went with a 10gbps switch and dang those are expensive
NVMe >>> SSD >>>>> HDD
is more realistic
azure chasm
@kind bone it depends on the project though
some projects open very quickly
those are called blank projects
signal citrus
lol π
the starting map determines the speed of start up a lot
as well as your game mode
how many things it can possibly reference
azure chasm
i think thats exactly it actually
if you set your startup map to one with not many assets
signal citrus
if it references all the things you win
signal citrus
yeah
novel sparrow
Aright, 2x 5Gbps NVMEs it is!
signal citrus
which ryzen are you going with?
signal citrus
3950x is great, getting 2 5gbps and nvmes and graphics might be at the limit of what can be had with the lanes
but yeah a step up to 3960x or 3970x, you have to start buying quad channel memory and way more spendy boards
3950x is a great call
novel sparrow
Speaking of, I'm looking for memory to feed it, I'd like to have 64GB (2x32GB), there's none on the motherboard's QVL (Asus Tuf X570), but I've found RAM makers like G.Skill that have that motherboard on their QVL. I'm corssing my fingers it'll all work out
signal citrus
I've recently used a lot of 32gb dimms
have been flawless, was a concern for me too
on the TUF series, it might be a problem
but asus kinda led the way with 32gb dimms so hopefully not
if there are dollars of difference to go to the strix, would do that though
i got a 256gb kit and a 128gb kit with all 32gb dimms and these both clock as advertised to 3200
but psuhing them to 3600, they aren't stable
these were corsair dimms though
i got bad draw on these i suppose
novel sparrow
Yeah the strix is a bit pricey. My hope is to source the RAM from somewhere with no restocking fee in case it all doesn't work. I'm looking at 3200 as well, I don't dare get the 3600s in case one or both of the 3950s we get don't scale 1:1, even if a bit unlikely
3600mhz* and 3950x*
signal citrus
3600mhz is the perfect timing for ryzen third gen
3950x's that don't scale are sold as non 3950x s so it should be okay
manufacturing quality more or less determines what kind of sku is to be branded to the chip
novel sparrow
I saw someone on reddit not being able to boot with 3600mhz sticks and it scared me, but I guess it could've been something else
signal citrus
but yeah 3200mhz is the next best, and more widely available
nah before jumping to 256gb i was on 64gb of 3600
had no issues, its a 3970x though
one work station is a 3950x and it got my old ram, haven't had issues on it. but have not stressed it, it boots
umbral pollen
CuriousPotato why do u need such a balling rig?
novel sparrow
It's time to upgrade (6 year old machines) and we're starting an open world co-op project which I expect will need some oomph
umbral pollen
i'm doing all my work on a 1 060 and 7700k It is not best but.....
oh your are getting multiple?
signal citrus
I predict quad cores really becoming obsolete soon
umbral pollen
Yeah ik
signal citrus
we've had like a decade of quad cores lol
umbral pollen
I am planning to upgrade cuz it is also a laptop
signal citrus
nice
umbral pollen
wait CuriousPotato how many machines and whats the budget?
novel sparrow
2 machines, around $3500 Canadian each, so that's like five USD π
signal citrus
prices have raised a lot recently
umbral pollen
they have? I havent looked at prices recently
signal citrus
availability has dropped as well
umbral pollen
2080 ti still goes for 1.2k
signal citrus
specifically for the high end
umbral pollen
I would say for about 5k you can get 64gb ram 3900k 2080ti
novel sparrow
I figure, over a 3 year project, the productivity gains will make up for it
novel sparrow
Sorry when I said five USD, I meant five bucks π
Canadian dollar is really weak right now
umbral pollen
oh
signal citrus
oof.
novel sparrow
In actuality it comes out to $2500 USD
umbral pollen
oh yeah so u got around 2.5k per machine
signal citrus
yea hi was gonna say 3,500 seemed high
umbral pollen
yeah
novel sparrow
I've got a couple of good ones here so I haven't. Though they are 6 years old
One is 1200W+, the other 750W
signal citrus
i just had the 1250w delivered to me today yeetukus (amazon)
they shipped it in retail box and the thing wasn't even sealed lol
novel sparrow
Cheers, thanks for all the advice guys, very helpful
signal citrus
lemme know how it goes
novel sparrow
will do
plucky pagoda
What are thoughts on whether or not a twin stick shooter needs any kind of crosshair?
or line of fire indicator.
Bah, I don't like it anyway. Going to just get rid of it.
novel latch
well, if you cater for casuals, stay with indicator
if you make games for the big bois and gurls, def. remove it
north torrent
I guess I should do some work today...
Maybe...
I found a new cat, but I guess that doesn't count as work.
crimson egret
add a gui option for it
north torrent
The cat needs a user interface?
It would make it easier to understand.... cats are confusing...
pearl elk
I thought humans were a cats user interface
north torrent
This cat is nicer than Trashcan MΔo.
crimson egret
i was talking about the line of fire indicator but yeah add a couple widgets to the cat as well
north torrent
I put hot sauce on this Sichuan egg dish, and it made it less spicy.
north torrent
My tongue is now numb...
fluid bloom
@plucky pagoda depends π
zomboid for example has nothing to indicate direction I think
but it has more of a chance/skill based aiming system?
fluid bloom
bought an "archviz" pack because it contained nice looking assets
half of the textures in it are not in power of two resolution
which means no mipmaps or anything
sigh
wooden crown
Can't believe epic store launcher can't fix partially downloaded games. Like can they really not do a file integrity check and see what files have already been downloaded, then download the ones needed? Steam has this.. smh
pearl elk
The launcher can do it, it just doesnt for whatever reason
wooden crown
What do you mean it "can do it"? @pearl elk
pearl elk
If you hit install on UE4 for example, close the launcher before it downloads, delete the temp folder, copy/paster in UE4 it will verify the files are all intact. The functionality seems to be there its just not well supported
Bit like how Steams Library feature is much more handy than the Backup one yet its more prominent in the UI for whatever reason
wooden crown
So ue4 download will work but not downloading games for the sameish thing?
Cuz I have a 10gb partial which took me many hours
Like I try and turn off my PC when I don't use it
And downloading a 49gb game takes soo long and its kinda wasteful to just have my PC on when all its doing is downloading files, something a much much lower power device could do just as easily
pearl elk
Yeah I dont think theres a way to hack it into working, it should recover though tbh
wooden crown
Just sucks cuz my internet is lame slow and I do other things on my PC that require restarts
And steam works because it can stop abruptly and fix itself without any issues
Maybe those launcher devs have gigabit at home (unlike me which I can't even get 100mbit where I live) and don't see the issue
fathom wadi
@wooden crown when it comes to download utility, I hate downloading on the Epic Launcher. I've complained many times about there not being a Download Limiter. Which is a really easy fix. So when any game has to update, and it's installed on several computers in the house, it's jamming up the connection so you can't use the internet at all. It's stupid and should have been sorted by now. I'd have done it myself if the launcher source was available
fathom wadi
yes
north torrent
I wonder how many bugs I could put in my game before it would be too much to run...
fathom wadi
depends how you set them up. Anim-sharing, imposters, crowd agents, lods, etc. Probably tens of thousands
north torrent
I should probably save up some budget for a bunch of random animated animals, because I'm not about to animate them all myself.
median wraith
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): fatal error C1047: The object or library file 'Plugins\Media\WebMMedia\Source\ThirdParty\libWebM\libvpx\lib\Win64\VS2015\vpxmd.lib' was created with an older compiler than other objects; rebuild old objects and libraries
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): LINK : fatal error LNK1257: code generation failed
are you serious
north torrent
I have no idea what any of that means.
fathom wadi
@median wraith I think that is because vpxmd.lib was created with an older compiler than other objects. You should rebuild old objects and libraries.
π
or update the lib
fathom wadi
yeah you wouldn't need to. Did you update the engine or any tools though?
fathom wadi
and did it use the lib?
the thing is, if you have the original source for the vpxmd.lib you can always compile it out with 2017 then update your paths
median wraith
@fathom wadi well I will be pissed if is a thing of the tinyfile lib XD
I don't say that indirectly for you, but I compiled the lib myself the other day
but on VS it compiles fine mmm
median wraith
fak was the lib, had to change the VS build settings
fathom wadi
believe I compiled that tinyfile lib in 2017. I cant really remember. I did stuff, it worked, I moved on π
only did an x64 build of it too.
median wraith
na I'm not using yours, made a project myself, probably post it there
just I'm about use probably the logics of your functions callers
dense storm
you can tell quarantine is in operation π
abstract haven
dense storm
Burn the 5G Towers!!!
idiotic people in this world..
those are the type that believes the earth is flat π
abstract haven
my brother is convinced bill gates made the virus
dense storm
I mean it could have been lab made, but i highly doubt it was Bill Gates..
just because they did a epidemic simulation..
abstract haven
he is straight up retarded
Bill Gates warned everyone we were unprepared for an epidemic, ergo he made it, smh
dense storm
It either came from animals, or was lab made. Knowing how idiotic humans can be it could be either π
abstract haven
eh, viruses mutate and break our immune systems, its been happening for millenia, this one is especially bad, but Not as bad as the spanish flu
some people Just cant wrap their head around it, they victimize themselves to feel a sense of entitlement
dense storm
yeah but scientists can force mutations
abstract haven
its possible it was made in a lab yeah
but I mean, there were viral outbreaks every few decades, before we had the technology to do that, this is probably Just another one
soft night
well accidentals happen when study the weakened sars and it got loose
zinc matrix
hey Guys, what magazines (paper or digital) and or ezines, forums etc do you regularly read in regard to 3d and general PC Tech?
tulip orbit
I just use this discord π
deep glen
there is also "experiencepoints"
signal citrus
@sharp vigil if it works it wonβt be a great quality of life
sharp vigil
it works but its slow and i dont know how ue4 runs on a good computer
signal citrus
Itβs a ten year old cpu
sharp vigil
i can buy a new cpu and gpu but everything is old in my pc i need to buy a completely new one
signal citrus
Yeah thatβs correct, youβd need new everything.
sharp vigil
the only thing i can buy is an ssd
signal citrus
Gpu will carry over
If thatβs the case you could try and find an i7 that fits the socket
But still, itβs not going to be fast
signal citrus
Even if you can grab it for 70 bucks you might be better getting a first gen ryzen even
450w should be enough for what you have there
Wouldnβt go below 750w on a new one
sharp vigil
i want a 2200g but i need a new motherboard for that and ddr4 ram i already have 10gb ddr3 ram
signal citrus
2200g would be an upgrade but I think that 1050 gpu would be about par to the onboard gpu of the 2200g
So perhaps you should be looking at a ryzen 5 or something with more power rather than integrated graphics
But yeah your talking in the realm of 400-600 dollars
sharp vigil
i think i should buy a newer motherboard that supports ddr3 and buy a cpu fits with these
thanks for everything
signal citrus
Itβs the thing everyone wants to do
Thus why these are not a good deal
The price on the top end of a generation is often what makes it not worthy
Because of that lure
fluid bloom
goddamn, my display said POP and then I smelled burnt electronics
signal citrus
But yeah if you can go with something like a 2600 and 80 dollars of ddr4 youβd be pretty set
Good ol capacitors
signal citrus
Thatβs about the life span of most caps
I recapped my tube on arcade cab and that was not fun
But it can be done, people do it
fluid bloom
it tripped one of the line circuit breakers too
suddenly power went out in 1/3rd of the apartment π
signal citrus
Went out with a pop π
It should be obvious then which cap needs replacement
But replace them all if you can, if you do that is
(Itβll be the one busted and oozing)
median wraith
@signal citrus the dialogs π€ https://github.com/Hevedy/HevedyDialogs based on the awesome @fathom wadi https://github.com/Doublezer0/TinyFileDialogsUE4 implementation
signal citrus
Nice
median wraith
I'm having an intersting day
curClass = "Launcher";
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( HardwareScore, "HardwareScore", curClass, curFile, 5, 0, 10 );
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( UserProfileIndex, "ActiveUser", curClass, curFile, -1, -1, 5 );
curClass = "Video";
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( VideoResolutionIndex, "ResolutionIndex", curClass, curFile, -1, -2, 30 ); // -1 Native
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( VideoResolutionX, "ResolutionY", curClass, curFile, 1280, 640, 99999 ); // Get current
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( VideoResolutionY, "ResolutionY", curClass, curFile, 720, 480, 99999 );
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( outputValue, "RenderScale", curClass, curFile, 100, 25, 100 );
VideoRenderScale = (float)outputValue / 100;
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( VideoWindowMode, "WindowMode", curClass, curFile, 1, 0, 2 );
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( VideoQuality, "Quality", curClass, curFile, 2, 0, 4 );
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( VideoQualityEffects, "QualityEffects", curClass, curFile, 1, 0, 2 );
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( VideoFPSLimit, "FPSLimit", curClass, curFile, -1, -1, 1000 );
curClass = "Audio";
UHEVLibrarySettings::ReadWriteINI( AudioQuality, "Quality", curClass, curFile, 2, 0, 4 );
π€
fluid bloom
@signal citrus I'll just get a new display
it's been on my list for a while now
want to get a 27" 2560x1440
signal citrus
360hz?
fluid bloom
I'm pretty sure such displays don't exist
signal citrus
Me too lol
Just in 1080p afaik
But yeah Iβve got an old dell myself. It kicks out better colors than my new monitors somehow
median wraith
wait
the throbber thing in UE4 wasn't able to be circular but in a single line ?
ala hitman ?
zinc matrix
how do i post in the #looking-for-talent
median wraith
check the pin message at top right
shadow sparrow
zinc matrix
Translation:
Daughter: Mother, who is my father?
Mother: I don't know. He was in a mask.
Lol
plucky pagoda
ok, it's about to get rough over here:
They cancelled all the soda on our pick up order.
Wonder if I can trade TP for caffeine?
mild root
just make some tea
neon iris
My kidney hurts just reading that
signal citrus
TP is good cure for kidney pain too, also yeah there should be a TP exchange rate somewhere
neon iris
More tp, less problems
pearl elk
I got 99 problems and a lack of TP aint one
signal citrus
excessive tp doesn't exist
pearl elk
so thats what they mean when they say theyre gassed up
signal citrus
tpfuel
north torrent
Some people will make a crisis out of every opportunity.
tough sierra
This is the deadest i've seen the community recently.
Usually it's super active every hour.
median wraith
idk who manages the account of made with UE4
but there goes the unfollow because its publishing the same ones mediocre game since 5 months in row without filter day after day
alpine fern
maybe the guy who made that game is running that twitter then
median wraith
I will bet its just a bot that gets the tags or so
but that guy is posting on his accounts days after day in 3 different accounts his mediocre game made exclusive of marketplace assets
naive ether
Hello everyone, sorry if I come to you like this but I think you are the best people for my request. I would like to create a game but not a small project ^^ '. I would like to make a game inspired by subnautica. This is why I would like to surround myself with competent people for this project. At this point, we already have a 3D designer, a music creator and I who am a 3D designer and map creator. We are very attentive to everyone because it is a group project. If you are interested let me know by private message. Have a lovely day everybody.
north torrent
No.
tulip orbit
he said have a lovely day. π‘
north torrent
Today is a very mediocre day, and that is totally ok.
naive ether
be polite the next time
median wraith
lmao
mossy nexus
ancient ingot
πΏ
pearl elk
lol where did all those blocked messages go
median wraith
Must missed something
median wraith
@ancient ingot You're pregnant !?
median wraith
lmao xd
pearl elk
Im not paying child support
median wraith
what a bad dad
signal citrus
@π₯ππβπππ₯#8059 impolite to advertise to peers here. Definitely read rules if nothing else
median wraith
seems like leaved
signal citrus
Advertisement and leave, spammy
median wraith
Probably is a politician
fluid bloom
sooo I have an IPS panel display now as a temp monitor
and my god the IPS glow is fucking annoying
tested half life 2 and all darker colours hue shift into blueish and the detail gets lost immediately if I don't view the pixels head-on
I miss my dell already π
swift flame
waiting for mled
fluid bloom
I wish I could π
signal citrus
VA has gotten nice
tulip marsh
what does it mean:
arithemetic between types float 4 and float 4 are undefined
pls help
fluid bloom
also what on earth is the deal with these curved displays
aaaargh
"I herd you liek a display with no ability to display parallel lines"
signal citrus
Thereβs no denying a curved display looks futuristic tho
But yeah Iβve never bothered trying one
fluid bloom
gimmicks for leet gamers