Well, yesterday it wasn't up yet, so that means it might just have too many people using it today.
#lounge
north torrent
If you aren't about to die from lack of money, I would just wait a day or two and try again.
quiet narwhal
I might actually financially be better off now than before the virus at this point even without the check
north torrent
It messed me up big time, but over a month before everyone else, as I was working in China.
By the time the US was hit I was back to making money again... Gotta rebuild my savings though.
quiet narwhal
yeah its definitely hitting some people hard, got a friend out of work completely him and his girl
north torrent
My whole family is working.
quiet narwhal
I never have to worry about rebuilding my savings, I have none lol
north torrent
Might die from working...
But working none the less.
I had some savings, not anymore.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I feel for people. There's been plenty of times in my life this would have meant no food with how tight our money was.
Definitely feeling lucky right now.
quiet narwhal
we never saved, wife never thought we could as we never had enough money. Now she is seeing that we actually can so hoping when this passes it will stay that way
plucky pagoda
We're spending way more on groceries than ever before but spending much less overall.
quiet narwhal
having money always meant buy more shit. now that w cant go out and do that... miraculously money is in the bank
plucky pagoda
Not counting what I'm spending on remodeling the house
north torrent
I just moved into a new apartment with most of my stuff still locked away in another city, so I've had to spend almost all my money.
But I can save back a lot of money every month.
plucky pagoda
Anybody watch FutureMan?
quiet narwhal
not yet, Its on my list tho
plucky pagoda
Oh, Yeah it's good mindless fun.
There's a thing Seth Rogan does in the show that crossed with Mad Show is the game I want to mess with.
quiet narwhal
i can see that
bronze axle
I'm going to wait a day or two before checking the IRS website again.
I checked today and got locked out for 24 hours because my information "did not match their records."
plucky pagoda
Sounds about right. Yeah giving up for now too.
about to make some mindless blowing stuff up mechanics
bronze axle
Nice. Sounds satisfying.
plucky pagoda
It is. I need it too.
bronze axle
I was just watching an anime where someone was testing their explosion magic on a huge castle, and my first thought was "Dude... I want to explore that castle."
And now I want to make an explorable old spooky castle, just for the hell of it.
plucky pagoda
There's some great assets for that in some of the free content
bronze axle
There's so much good stuff in the free collection, it's kind of mind blowing.
Perfect for little personal projects.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, It'd take more than a lifetime just to make all the ideas I've got from just the free content.
bronze axle
A smart solo indie dev could handily treat the Marketplace as their art department at this point, with enough discretion.
plucky pagoda
I've been buying anything on sale for years from a few of the stores and the amount of assets I've accumulated is staggering. Anyone could do it.
bronze axle
Yeah. Between the sales and monthly free content drops, there's a lot at our disposal.
If only the vault had better UX. ๐
plucky pagoda
I've bought most of those from the Unity store and some of the other sites. I usually look for ones that include the psd files. Humble bundle has some cheep ones too
Unreal is catching up though
plucky pagoda
Thanks, going to give some bots a few guns and then blow them up
I read UI.
Being able to add tags and sort/filter would go a long way.
bronze axle
No joke.
Not to mention an easier way to visually separate packs that are installed, not installed, and have updates available.
plucky pagoda
Oh yes. I'm sitting looking for some particles and have no idea which I've installed to the project already.
bronze axle
I feel like the vault deserves its own tab at this point.
plucky pagoda
or its own browser
carmine frigate
marketplace art stuff is too unorganized
you need to DL a 2 gig pack to get 1 texture from it
rose tulip
Anyone have any suggestions for a decently powerful alternative to a Microsoft Surface? Ideally I'd like to just get a surface but I hear they have hardware issues. Looking into Lenovo and HP atm
manic summit
test
looks good, first time using discord, much better than slack tbh. beautiful!
after 5 years of WebDev getting into GameDev, finally feel at home, suits me much better than basic CRUD web apps
anyways, I don't know who am I writing this to haha
happy to be here!
carmine frigate
welcome ๐
north torrent
I have returned from the depths of IKEA.
HP Spectre 15 inch. The new one coming out with the smaller bezels and the GTX 1650. @rose tulip
north torrent
There is a current version available, but they are doing a refresh.
The new version that I haven't seen in stores yet has smaller bezels, so you get the same 15 inch screen in a smaller laptop.
It will also have newer hardware.
I think you can get the RTX 1650 now or the OLED now, but I don't think you can get both. But I may be wrong about that.
That video shows the difference between the new and old model.
rose tulip
Cool, thanks for the info
north torrent
I also like Lenovo's high end 360 and the Dell XPS 360 15 inch.
But the Spectre just looks better and has all the features I want for the best price.
Does anyone here know anything about projectors?
lucid walrus
I had a momentary lapse of reason last night and began implementing my 2D array struct in C++ rather than Blueprints. Luckily, I accidentally powered my PC off, and when I went to start Unreal, the C++ classes didn't show up, and after I'd deleted them from the folder Unreal asked me to "recompile from source" in order to even open my project, so I just reverted to the previous day, and will now never touch C++ again! ๐
lucid walrus
Game & UI input mode causes too much problems, so need to implement my own menu navigation for grid based menus
for gamepad & keyboard
bold fulcrum
Ye... but I mean what 2D array can offer you that 1D cannot ?
lucid walrus
well, since it's blueprints, it's a 1D array faked into 2D... made it so I can jump to the next and previous column easy
bold fulcrum
There are ones, which are not faked ?
lucid walrus
well, I haven't coded in 20+ years, but last time I learned C, you were allowed to do array[x][y]
fathom wadi
@bold fulcrum the point of having a 2d array is when you don't have a struct type setup really. You have have properties on a property in that case. With Unreal being a strictly typed engine though, it makes more sense to use structs or TMAP etc.
@lucid walrus This is a funny nugget of dead sea scroll information, but you can do this in Flash Actionscript, and it's not typed at all. So you can have arr[Int][String][SomethingElseCompletely].property
fathom wadi
it is bad. debugging actionscript was a pain. AS3.0 did some steps towards keeping it strict, but it was still a loose language
fluid bloom
I can imagine
it's funny how web-dev industry quickly jumped over to nodejs and everyone was like "aww yiss javascript we can do stuff so fast"
then few years down the line almost everyone is "we made a huge mistake" and people start migrating to typescript
fathom wadi
yeah I quit webdev when all that started really. I had no will to relearn a dozen things to get going in an industry that is boring as hell, and annoying.
fluid bloom
the cynic in me thinks that the only reason for why it became popular is that there were a ton of frontend devs who only knew javascript
lots of cheap labour
fathom wadi
honestly most of the devs I met along the way were pissing in the wind on a daily basis. I was helping out more coders who were stationed above me, than helping myself on my own work
fluid bloom
@lucid walrus btw there is a simple grid implementation under AI module that you might want to use instead of creating your own https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/blob/release/Engine/Source/Runtime/AIModule/Public/SimpleCellGrid.h
AI module is a bit weird place for that tbh ๐ค
soft night
now there is this thing called WebAssembly
lucid walrus
@fluid bloom thanks, I'll look into that
rotund tundra
meh.. you can only apply via twitter
fathom wadi
for $500 I would apply by shouting down a fluglehorn
rotund tundra
if THAT was an option, sure.. but another site to register, no thanks..
fathom wadi
a game dev not on twitter? ๐ฎ I thought it was where we all went to advertise for cheap these days
rotund tundra
i know i'm missing out not having linkedin, twitter, artstation, fb, and all that jazz.. but just can't be bother with so many platforms
fathom wadi
I wonder what the odds are that you can make a plugin for adding Bendy Bone support to UE4. I think it would be a nice addition, but I'm not sure if it would work
rotund tundra
why wouldn't it work? didn't some big games already implement that ?
I think conan exiles used some flappy bits
fathom wadi
honestly Ive not tried importing them but I hear they don't work. They turn into a slinky or something. I dunno. I have a Bender model that uses it but I can't see it just importing in correctly. I mean, its bad enough trying to get a normal rig in without adjustments ๐
rotund tundra
i see what you're saying now.. this might be a good question for the next blender to ue4 live stream
fathom wadi
They have too much on their plate with what they have tbh. I wouldn't want to add to their misery ๐
median wraith
@fathom wadi 500 for something you spend about 100?
Aka 400 gain, there is a platform of proffesional video creator that you give the music and recorded samples and already cost 500 to make it
100$ for a importer where there is already an importer seems excessive to me
fathom wadi
huh?
you get the plugin for free if you take up the opportunity. $500 on top of that. Plus some exposure from their end. It's a good thing.
mild root
carmine frigate
you should do a lighter in the shape of a gun ๐
signal citrus
@rotund tundra how many more live streams until we get a plugin lol
tulip orbit
atleast 5 more
quiet narwhal
well if it helps I think you are right
midnight sluice
Has anyone seen a product that's essentially a simple widget game? I have a widget loading screen and want a little 2d game for the players to play while the levels load.
plucky pagoda
"Loading Screen System"@midnight sluice
or maybe not. I thought it had a game in it that was all UMG.
midnight sluice
@plucky pagoda I think you're right. It has interactive loading screens, not sure if they are widgets or not though. I already own it but the system itself only works for SP so I'm not using it, will check to see if they are in fact widgets.
deep glen
signal citrus
lol ๐
deep glen
feels kinda true though
signal citrus
I still managed to drop that socket protector.. in the socket
ye its true
the one exception is the front panel connections lol
but thats pretty straight forward now too with those adapter things
plucky pagoda
Oh, he's going to be talking about fluid sims with Houdini in the stream.
signal citrus
got my attention
i hope they push out the new houdini engine plugin sooner than later
quiet narwhal
later based on the stream
tulip orbit
I want the blender tools plugin
lucid walrus
I want a unified behavior on all plugins... Datasmith is wildly different from USD which is wildly different from FBX which is going to be wildly different from the Blender plugin, etc. etc.
yet they all result in either static meshes, skeletal meshes, animations and materials
different Epic teams are reinventing the wheel in parallel, which seems crazy
like, the Datasmith/Dataprep team is currently reinventing the exact same UI that Niagara has already invented
signal citrus
Its frustrating because i'd like to start special treating things in the plugin but that feeling of having to redo it all overrides
gentle widget
Anyone here know whether you are allowed to upload a game where you collect toilet paper as like a joke on those stockpiling on the playstore?
pearl elk
๐คฏ
zinc matrix
I think I see myself somewhere on this picture ๐
I got one more but it's NSFW. But of course no one works now so shouldn't be a problem ๐
tulip orbit
but now people are at home with their kids
dim ruin
need to find the correct place to tell humble bundle to pound their god damned captcha verifications
this is a pretty neat bundle though
https://www.humblebundle.com/games/2ks-game-together?hmb_source=receipt_page&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=mosaic_section_1_layout_index_1_layout_type_threes_tile_index_2_c_2ksgametogether_bundle
pearl elk
woah Brian Dennehy died
pearl elk
nah, he was 81 so I guess just got the end of his run
pearl elk
I rewatched Cocoon recently
pearl elk
Yeah not many of the cast of that one left lol
dim ruin
lol
pearl elk
Back when people knew who Steve Guttenberg was
dim ruin
I kinda want to tear up every time I see jean-claude van damme now
pearl elk
He's super fit for his age but my god those new Kickboxer movies are bad
dim ruin
Was watching Bloodsport and Lionheart the other night for the billionth time and then I seen his instagram and was like Nooooo!
seen his daughter? omg
pearl elk
Lionheart is one of my all time favourite fighting movies, they call it Wrong Bet here
this is her right? ๐
dim ruin
lol nah his daughters pretty hot and mad fit. she's a very skilled martial artist too. same fight style as pops
pearl elk
Classical ballet style? ๐คฃ
dim ruin
lol
pearl elk
or as we like to call it in the biz, hissy cat
dim ruin
Van Damme had all the makings of a world champ. Hollywood lured him away though
pearl elk
Maybe his daughter will land some roles Lionheart 2
dim ruin
Bolo Yeung was another awesome one from that era. I would have probably shit my pants getting in the ring with him back in the day
pearl elk
lol there are lots of great fighters out there, Id probably get my arse kicked by Lucy Liu
dim ruin
Oh she was awesome in Kill Bill
pearl elk
Undisputed is a pretty decent series of fight films, bit low budget but it works
median wraith
Well when someone merge your pull request and they tell you they are hiring
thats new
interesting fascinating new
pearl elk
Sounds like you're hired
lucid walrus
oh, my god... the mindset of game (engine) developers is so entrenched it's incredible
I tried to give an Epic staff member a user experience improvement suggestion and he gave me the technical explanation as to why things were as they were
I then explained my improvement again using different words, and he again told me the technical explanation using his different words ๐
like... no, there's literally no way that anyone would want to improve the Ux of this engine ๐
pearl elk
Its pretty clear Epic has more technical minded people, you can see it in the code design too
lucid walrus
it's like, they're so entrenched in "workaround" mode and adding features mode, that improvement to existing features doesn't even enter their mind
like, I was able to reach some of the Datasmith team in the beginning, but those poor bastards are almost too far gone now as well
pearl elk
They will add features but its got to be on the approved list of things technical minded people care about
carmine frigate
@median wraith say ur company is for sale ๐
lucid walrus
@median wraith please don't apply to them... apparently the company culture will make you want to stop improving existing features ๐
carmine frigate
start ur own and say its for sale ๐
pearl elk
Was this a public discussion @lucid walrus ? Id like to see this exchange
lucid walrus
no UDN, and I'm not going to divulge my name and workplace here ๐
pearl elk
All good, thought it might have been on a github PR
signal citrus
@deep glen has your computer started locking up recently?
Been getting that similar lockup we had before
mossy nexus
He can't answer is it's locked up.
carmine frigate
my b450 board has a tad long post time but thats been from the start
median wraith
oh just cause for free
signal citrus
I got a glance at task manager and while no apps use it, Iโve got no memory left (of 256gb)
mossy nexus
ouch
signal citrus
Iโm thinking itโs some goofy service cause nothing showed as using that much
just have to restart when i feel it starting but yeah idk what it is
mossy nexus
My boot times have recently gone from 20ish seconds to over a minute. No idea why. Virtually everything I can switch off has been.
median wraith
ITS WINDOWS!
signal citrus
its messed up because things just start dying left and right so i can't really detect the cause by going through event viewer
cortana and anythign com related seems to be in a panic
lucid walrus
Oh, I take back everything I said earlier... I submitted a second round of feedback and they're apparently aware of all I said and hope to improve it in the future! ๐
quasi bluff
I joined this server to get quick help, if that's not too ambitious. Can anyone tell me if there is a specific chat for that? I'm too blind
mossy nexus
erm. yeah. All the channels are listed on the left <<<
zinc matrix
how rude of you, of course they are listed on the right >>>
all 10 thousand of them ๐
signal citrus
quasi bluff
How did I miss that... thank you!
plucky pagoda
quiet narwhal
I was trying it and all textures are black for me lol ๐ฆ
zinc matrix
Since Thursday in Poland we need to cover face with mask or something similar. I'm gonna go visit my bank next week :Dhttps://image.freepik.com/darmowe-zdjecie/przestepcy-nosza-czarna-maske-i-utrzymuja-ciemnosc-na-szaro_1150-15143.jpg
I wonder if amount of people who would be shoot in USA would grow because of masks.
I got another conspiracy theory. We are prepared for...
and masks are the first step.
plucky pagoda
@quiet narwhal I don't have the hardware for it. Not going to even try.
quiet narwhal
I do, I did, it failed ๐ฆ I sad
signal citrus
drivers up to date?
quiet narwhal
nope on purpose which I think is the issue
signal citrus
seems like its always the case with rtx
north torrent
Actually March was the first month is over a decade where the US didn't have a school shooting.
A few more years of this and maybe we can fix global warming.
tulip orbit
"fix" or .. "fix"
north torrent
Anyone here ever owned a projector?
signal citrus
I have one
north torrent
How much did it cost?
signal citrus
Too much but in realm of projectors it was a deal
north torrent
I haven't really looked into projectors at all, not looking for a great one or anything. I just was thinking that instead of getting a 50 inch TV to just get a projector, that way I could bring it back to the States with me when I leave China.
100% just because of the fact that TVs are big and hard to carry. But then again, projectors are usually pretty damn heavy from my expereince, and the screens are usually a fair bit of the money spent.
So maybe it was a bad idea to begin with. Just a random thing that went through my head yesterday.
signal citrus
You pay for brightness and then resolution
All the cheap ones, even ones with 1080p, these are so dim itโs not worth it
Unless you have a dark room
Would not recommend
north torrent
I heard you really need to get the proper screen, and that is going to be the part that is hardest to move.
So I'll probably just stick with the cheap TV and give it away when I leave China.
signal citrus
Screen/throw quality depends on brightness too. The dimmer the projector the better screen youโll need
north torrent
I don't think the shipping cost on a 50 inch TV is going to be worth it.
I'll pay $200 to ship a $700 monitor back to the US. I don't think I'll pay $200 to ship a $250 tv back to the US.
I just saw this thing in my YouTube recommendations and though it looked relatively cheap. But it is only 1080p.
signal citrus
going higher than 1080p is not likely going to happen, for less than a grand at least
signal citrus
projectors make little sense
they are for when you want a 100+ inch picture, and that's their market
north torrent
I am more looking for just a secondary cheap screen, not an actual investment in money.
signal citrus
the 50 inch turned out being a lie right?
north torrent
So there isn't really a market for portable projectors in 2020? Maybe in 2030...
signal citrus
there is but your talking SD
like: plug this into my phone and project things for fun
north torrent
The 50 inch isn't bad, but it doesn't do 4k.
I might just keep it, because it was still a good price for a 1080p monitor. But they will refund my money if I send it back. So I was just exploring other options.
I don't think I can get a 2k monitor for the same price.
signal citrus
i'd swap it for something a quarter of the surface area at 1080p
north torrent
I already have a 27 inch 1080p. Though it is in my office in Shenzhen...
It is not a lot of money, but I would rather buy something different with it.
signal citrus
i imagine all you see is square pixels on it though sitting close?
signal citrus
i know your not in the states but i imagine these brands and models are something you could find a deal on over there too
(monitors are on last page)
north torrent
Maybe I should just borrow two 1080p monitors from my new school's computer lab...
School is still closed and all...
signal citrus
that hp LD4312 looked like a good deal
tulip orbit
Looks lilke I gotta save up some money for a new PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYa1yCfG0RY
from kotaku https://kotaku.com/crysis-remaster-appears-to-be-coming-to-major-platforms-1842898679 It features the original campaign enhanced with high-quality textures, an HD texture pack, improved art assets, temporal anti-aliasing, SSDO, SVOGI, state-of-the-art depth fields, new light settings, motion blur, parallax occlusion mapping, and particle effects.The release also lists advanced features like software-based ray-tracing and volumetric fog.
tulip orbit
I hope they do push things
quiet narwhal
"The release also lists advanced features like software-based ray-tracing and volumetric fog."
spare glade
You know, the Crysis remaster, might actually save Crytek from financial ruin ๐
haha
tough sierra
AHAHAHAHAHA
Honestly by now people are going to expect that it be as painful to run as before.
"software based ray tracing" though sounds pretty fucking insane.
Not sure that's good or bad.
spare glade
If they focus on pushing the limits like the original, it could be a good seller.
tough sierra
Agreed.
Personally i'm a fan of games that push hardware, with some work put into optimizations at least.
Speaking of which, i found an engine recently that was advertised to have ecs.
And i see this... And ... It's better than vtables.
Hope there's a way around it though.
tulip orbit
if you really wanna see an engine that pushes the limits, is the flappy bird clone I made in java the last two days
tough sierra
Maybe I should say intelligently pushes the limits.
tulip orbit
Ah. Yeah, not my game then.
tough sierra
Java though, oof that's not easy to optimize for.
I've tried. At least it's not bad for stuff like that.
If your having lag spikes, look into object pools.
tulip orbit
There is no optimisation in my project. Its really basic, first game actually "completed"
tulip orbit
Yeah, I've never completed a game in the 4-5yrs I've been using ue4
my thing is taking on too big a project
flappy bird was nice and easy
tough sierra
Same. And honestly i gave the engine too much shit forgetting it's not meant for large scale projects.
But seriously kudo to you for that.
tulip orbit
Thanks ๐
tough sierra
I did hear recently someone got to compiling C++ code by using a static lib, so they'd just recompile that and link it in, not sure if that could be hot reloaded easier or not.
Since normally changing headers breaks it.
tulip orbit
oh is it just the headers?
my last project used some c++, and I closed/reloaded every change..
north torrent
I just got done teaching my online classes about why cyberbullying is bad.
tough sierra
It's mostly just the headers yeah. Since those contain the symbols that the level editor and blueprints need to work with.
Oh hey it's been a while.
zinc matrix
did you used yourself as an example Mr. Mao?
solar nebula
Counterpoint: it's not cyberbullying that's bad, it's the online classes that are bad
north torrent
I cyberbullied my students to show them what it feels like...
Not really, it isn't good to make kids cry this early in the morning.
north torrent
This is a Shenzhen company, @signal citrus
https://electronics.woot.com/offers/anker-nebula-capsule-mini-projector-14?ref=w_cnt_lnd_cat_pc_5_11
Well, Mr. Interitus, since they are doing online classes, if I make them cry the parents have to deal with it. Then the parents complain to the school...
tulip orbit
even better, you dont have to deal with it directly ๐
north torrent
The difference between a public and private school is that I have to keep the parents happy...
I also get paid twice as much. So I don't think I want to go back public.
Gotta get that RTX 3080ti.
tulip orbit
inserts a witty comment
north torrent
Do you have a job, Mr. Interitus?
tulip orbit
no I do not ๐ฆ
north torrent
Are you a human, Mr. Fox?
solar nebula
Yes I am human, with my human limbs and human eyes and the human spleen
north torrent
What does a spleen do?
tulip orbit
are they attached to you? or just in a bag?
solar nebula
My spleen makes human fluids
tulip orbit
thats why I removed mine
north torrent
I wonder if I can shove a projector inside of an ITX computer...
tulip orbit
if you shove it in hard enough ๐
north torrent
Maybe in the future we can just have ITX desktops with projectors on the side projecting a 55 inch picture... Get rid of laptops completely.
Just my daily stupid idea. I realize how impractical it is.
scarlet tartan
If any of you guys are bored my friend Mercurius FM is doing a live quarantine DJ set right now with video game remixes and dance music. https://www.youtube.com/mercuriusfm
pearl elk
@scarlet tartan Youre not really meant to advertise here, its against the rules
bronze axle
Oh man. I'm worried that Trello is going to be phased out.
Earlier today when I logged into Trello, I was prompted to make an Atlassian account (it was optional so I skipped it).
And later in the evening, I saw a prompt under my boards basically telling me I should switch to Jira.
signal citrus
Panic
bronze axle
The language used here is terrible. Notice the use of "will" instead of "can" or "may".
Atlassian? More like Orwellian.
(Not really, I just wanted to make a terrible joke.)
quiet narwhal
@north torrent well Lenovo has the 610s which is a desktop with a projector on top
pearl elk
Well thats gonna suck for me since my trello account isnt my atlassian account
north torrent
Lenovo beat me to my bad idea...
I was thinking more like drilling a hole in the front of one of these and sticking the projector in, then hooking it up to the same power supply.
tough sierra
These all move randomly, some dude got this up to 30 fps on his machine, mine's a quad so does a bit less.
It's cpu based.
This is the kind of thing I want to see in ue4.
Lets see 900 per box... Looks like 8x8 blocks which is...
north torrent
Why?
fluid bloom
yeah good luck rewriting the gameplay framework ๐
tough sierra
That's my point.
It's so damn locked down.
If there was a way to have functionality closer to ogre3d or openFrameworks this would be easy.
tough sierra
That alone won't solve it, we need lower level access.
This engine seems to have ecs as well but i noticed it has calback functions for every entity type.
Better than vtables sure.
But not real ecs.
Though i think it's possible to make my own ecs in that engine and not have as much headache as ue4.
Or use theirs and run through it with custom functions maybe.
tough sierra
And i'm not tryign to shit on the engine, I want to see the possibility of ue4 actually giving the right things to us so we can scale our worlds and object counts.
solid aurora
there is coming new framework
tough sierra
Yes need.
tough sierra
That whole "ue4 automatically does a perfect job managing HISMs in the background" failed at least on my machine and use case.
solid aurora
beacause it doesnt
tough sierra
Something to peal back the abstractions is all we'd really need.
solid aurora
ever update in ue4 is cache miss
red pewter
I'm praying so hard that valkyrie really is something ECS related
tough sierra
The test i did with grass actors, had 4k of them I think? When they were left be it was less than 20 fps, using my own custom hism manager system where each actor would have a mesh index, the fps went up to 90+
fluid bloom
valkyrie?
solid aurora
we bit speculate
but im 99% sure
it is ECS for unreal
rewriting component system to be data oriented
tough sierra
Thank god but really hope they loosen up on the abstractions.
fluid bloom
did someone pick that up from git commits or where did you get the name? ๐
red pewter
@fluid bloom This commit message referring to unannounced features (or even a new game) https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commit/207271a4bfa513d4f54795234ed0b1719e3d3b41#diff-d469ebf81888a31bf8f7f82df9d371f5
solid aurora
it was accidently pushed to dev-rendering
tough sierra
Lol.
fluid bloom
๐
red pewter
I heard Fortnite BR got leaked a similar way
alpine fern
it is quite the long jump to go from this message to assuming they are doing anything ECS related
red pewter
True, but I can pray
tough sierra
Seriously if they give low level access rts would be possible enough that i'd hop back on. Maybe. If I could find a way to hot reload more often and not have to relaunch the editor.
fluid bloom
well the fact that they refer to actor components as "old" actor components tells quite a bit
solid aurora
I don't think gameplay framework as is will be dropped
(although there is plan to move it to plugin)
fluid bloom
concurrent game data access would be nice
solid aurora
are rarerly bottleneck that show on profiler
red pewter
The new NetworkPrediction plugin in master is one thing I guess
solid aurora
but
the problem starts when you want to update more actors at once
or do thousand of traces
tough sierra
How much of the community wants this? It's a personal requirement of mine.
solid aurora
it doesnt matter
carmine frigate
niagara is sort of ECS i think
solid aurora
Epic does not update engine for community nor licensees
tough sierra
It's for their own stuff?
tough sierra
Oooooooooooh
solid aurora
(like 100 mln dollars up)
tough sierra
Honestly that's fair.
red pewter
Start the gofundme lads
tough sierra
It's business.
solid aurora
that
and when they have game which uses featre
it is actually productino tested
unlike Unity which is only theory/demo tested
red pewter
I think Fortnite being a 100 player battle royale that runs on phones and the switch is just about the most extreme usecase possible
fluid bloom
Fortnite save the world with millions of monster pawns yes please
replicated flocking, yes please
tough sierra
^ that's better.
tough sierra
Honestly the world war z game impressed me with how the engine is.
tough sierra
It does use cheap tricks yes.
solid aurora
it might literraly 10' mln of saving in server costs
carmine frigate
basically 30 40ish zombies at a time
tough sierra
It's obvious they had to work around limitations and cut back a lot of stuff. And flock a specific weird way, and cheap out on zed kills when they are in massive groups. But still.
solid aurora
but epic does
tough sierra
Honestly that's true.
solid aurora
thus why ECS : D
alpine fern
not using amazon web scam would also save on costs 
tough sierra
^
solid aurora
not realy
fluid bloom
web-dev: "hey let's make this hugely popular API with node and express"
fluid bloom
cue server instances pegged to 100%
carmine frigate
from what i see controll has way more goin on on screen than world war Z
tough sierra
Nice.
Personally I wanted to make an rts game with tens of thousands of moving game objects per frame, or a crafting openworld game with just as many moving parts, with destructible foliage and such that can be broken to mats.
Though maybe the latter could be smaller scale a bit
red pewter
I just love the idea of components and 0 cost instantiation
solid aurora
well i just want have right abstractions for right things
tough sierra
Or make it optional.
tough sierra
Actors are kind of nice but the fact they are required to do anything is beyond annoying.
solid aurora
i don't want to shove everything into virtual ticks because it is also pointless
its really old architecture
from ue1 (;
red pewter
Sweeney had a reddit comment of his thoughts on it: https://old.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/aezhdv/it_seems_people_at_epic_are_considering_adding/
pearl elk
I heard this saying once, "quality over quantity"
tough sierra
This oughta be funny.
carmine frigate
well if you want to make something that has never been done B4 and you expect it to be included in the engine..
red pewter
Woops, I might have linked the wrong section
tough sierra
To be fair quantity can increase quality due to experience.
That's carmacks perspective. Ah thanks for the update.
pearl elk
I disagree, quantity doesnt always equate to greater quality by default
its why (speaking of Carmack) Quake 3 has a small weapon set
solid aurora
alpine fern
I like how that scripting language never happened
solid aurora
i hope it will burn Ampere on release: D
tough sierra
It doesn't always correct.
red pewter
I agree with sweeney's apprehensiveness to making yet another specific game engine only scripting language
pearl elk
Tbh C++ doesnt do everything Epic wants either otherwise they wouldnt have rewritten half the core of the language ๐
tough sierra
I was there for that.
red pewter
And that got dropped in favor of BP I suppose (from kismet? I think)
alpine fern
probably because std sucks
tough sierra
UEscript was more like the C++ of our engine, but scripted.
solid aurora
it is simply to generic for some specific purposes
tough sierra
kismet was repalced with bp basically
Std has issues yes, even doom 3 supposedly doesn't use it.
pearl elk
I mean the fact they can rewrite it shows how great C++ is so dont get me wrong, its just the fact they had to rewrite it also shows how weak C++ is too ๐
solid aurora
but you are talking about std
tough sierra
That's more a standard thing than the lang itself.
solid aurora
not languague ; p
red pewter
I would hate C++ less if it wasn't for header files. I hate headers so much.
alpine fern
they should release the unreal containers and memory library for other projects so we aren't stuck using ๐ฎ::vector and others outside of unreal
tough sierra
If you come from a java/C# backgruond i could see the hatred for that.
C++ is based on c which is base don asm.
That deals with compilation units.
It needs headers.
solid aurora
not anymore (;
tough sierra
Oh yeah the module update, not looked into that.
Not sure how i feel about it, would prefer it the way it is now.
alpine fern
headers would be fine if they were compiled in a sensible way rather than copy-pasting and re-processing from scratch for every file for no reason
red pewter
I am a pretty layman c++ user and headers just feel like extra work flipping open files to define classes to me
pearl elk
I love me some managed language
alpine fern
there is no actual reason for them to be
other than "this is how we compiled c++ in the past 50 years"
pearl elk
I understand why C++ does alot of things the way it does but at the level I work alot of those verbose things dont matter to me
tough sierra
Doing it differently wouldn't hurt performance or make compiling C/asm harder?
It's primary goal was control, meant for os dev. Or c was at least.
pearl elk
C++ is essentially a scripting language from where Im sitting, Im sure some people would hate me saying that but its true, most of the "good stuff" of C++ isnt useful.
tough sierra
Hmm i might misunderstand your perspective.
pearl elk
Its my perspective, I dont stuff around creating languages, messing with memory, spending ages in template world
I work mostly ontop of Unreal Engine, I dont use many of C++ propers features apart from basic operators and types
tough sierra
Honestly mostly the same. Most of what i use from std is maps actually.
Not even vectors anymore.
Though things like operator overloading are super nice when they are needed. It's like... Those tiny things don't often happen but when they do it's potentially really nice. But yeah you have the right idea I think. C++ is an abstraction over C mostly. Like a set of advanced macros almost, but somewhat unpredictable at the hardware level.
pearl elk
Most of the time Im actually directed by UE4 not to use those types because they arnt compatible with UTHINGS()
tough sierra
In ue4? Yeah std is to be avoided at all costs.
The language works well for the engine mostly because... Well same reason any other game engine is built ontop of c/c++
pearl elk
I get why people would need C++ access, just for me it adds more work because Im constantly having to type parser safe macros to work around the languages short comings
tough sierra
This lang being more shortcoming than? What lisp?
pearl elk
so yeah sure the list of things Epic wanted to do in UnrealScript ended up being a list of things you can do in C++ but maybe they shouldnt have been trying to make a scripting language fully blown to begin with. Maybe it wasnt a language problem but a logic one
alpine fern
why would you use std map
tough sierra
It is in my book, the design of the engine isn't something "i" like, but I think a lot of OOP type of programmers might appreciate it, and i can't think of a better way to do what they did.
unordered_map rather.
Cause didn't feel like importing a lib for that.
alpine fern
TMap is far superior to that thing
pearl elk
Epics types are generally pretty damn good and the smart pointers are handy
tough sierra
I actually stole their FName idea and did my own thing with it.
It's a really handy tool.
pearl elk
It would be nice to have a short hand though like being able to use C++s standard operators but with Epics magic in place of it
tough sierra
Operator overloading?
alpine fern
but having a much more sensible api than std is part of what makes unreal containers so good
pearl elk
Then Im not constantly whispering weird parser safe code to VS
alpine fern
none of this horrible iterator garbage
tough sierra
for( auto& a: actorList)
Pretty sure this is rarely used.... Not having an index or pointer to the actual buffer sucks.
pearl elk
If someone could make a clean language for UE4 I can transpile to ugly C++ I would love you forevers
tough sierra
Hm let me think a sec.
alpine fern
blueprints 
tough sierra
Na not those.
alpine fern
kinda the opposite of clean though
pearl elk
lol they solve a different problem though
tough sierra
There's scripted langs that actually compile to binary.
As in actual cpu instructions.
I can't remember if angelscript does it... Crystal does but i doubt it's sanity... There might be others.
pearl elk
I want a scripting language which compiles to C++ so I dont deal with interop, I want the speed and the slick syntax and I can have both as long as we trim the fat from C++. For people who need C++ they can just work on classes which arnt ran through the transpiler ๐
Hell I mean UBT already does this right
tough sierra
Personally for my C++ projects i rarely touch classes.
But i'm a DOD kind of guy for now at least.
pearl elk
Not like Epics code is legit C++ before it hits UBT
tough sierra
Who mixes some json magic in with his C style code ๐
alpine fern
classes are useful even then to organize stuff, you don't have to use oop with virtual methods
tough sierra
flicks dust โจ magic โจ
pearl elk
We can call the new language Black Mamba
tough sierra
Yeah that's correct, the need for them goes way down when your mostly using structs and functions.
pearl elk
cuz its slicker than python and more venomous than C++
tough sierra
Your not the first person to want something like that.
I don't know what kind of language features you'd want, javascript stuff?
pearl elk
Im totally incapable of doing it myself, thats the issue so I just mouth off about it in lounge in the hopes some big brain will do it
The language features are all there, just need to tidy the syntax
tough sierra
Get a list of things you find annoying maybe, someone might look at them and give fixes to the engine. Can't blame ya for feeling that way.
If it's container related functionality that your wanting hell i might send a pull request.
pearl elk
I can just use C++, just have to put up and shut up really
tough sierra
Apologies for all the times i've bitched in lounge myself, i'm more hopeful that ue4 can give us some low level access to do like what I had in the image above. I'd die of joy and come crawling back.
pearl elk
I have need for an array of references shrugs
pearl elk
Yup for data driven design, not to be confused with data-oriented design
tough sierra
Might want to ask in the cpp channel. I'm not even sure if that's possible or what the tradeoffs are.
I usually touch pointers, unique pointers, or the actual object.
signal citrus
TArray<FVector&>?
pearl elk
I did have some success with pointers but issue is with UThings() not accepting what Im tryin to give em
signal citrus
UHT sucks though, not c++ issue
pearl elk
is that a reference to the vector or the floats within it?
tough sierra
See now that could be something one of us makes a pull request for.
signal citrus
They could be using llvm parsing instead of reading it like a weakling
pearl elk
I'll give vector a shot if this doesnt pan out
signal citrus
TArray<FVector&> probably wonโt work
pearl elk
so far I got the reference going all the way back to everything except the float I feed in
signal citrus
But ye regular would be fine
I tend to be reference heavy in nature too
RESTRICT Is important
pearl elk
If I could be stuffed and had the skills Id just add this under upropertys
alpine fern
is RESTRICT actually important though?
pearl elk
but as it is its just tacked ontop so Im not even defining some of these variables Im wanting to modify
signal citrus
Yea zeb
pearl elk
basically mutators on steriods
alpine fern
I haven't seen a case where adding it actually made the code faster rather than just making it look cooler
pearl elk
Im not rewriting Character Movement Component le sigh
signal citrus
If you want fast code assuming your passing it non overlapping data it makes less branching
alpine fern
why would there be any branches
alpine fern
pls no
signal citrus
void Add(int&, const int&, const int&)
alpine fern
rust is a mistake
alpine fern
rust is overcomplicated alien syntax like "modern c++"
fluid bloom
nope
signal citrus
You could have all Parmaโs be the same ref there and the compiler checks if they are before it optimized for them not being such
Night lounge
alpine fern
but with the difference that unlike c++, the subset of the language that lets you do most things without touching that does not exist
fluid bloom
rust's syntax is pretty simple
oddest thing is turbofish
let even_numbers = numbers
.into_iter()
.filter(|n| n % 2 == 0)
.collect::<Vec<_>(); <--- ::<> turbofish
plucky pagoda
alpine fern
people also seems to rely a stupid amount on the optimizer
how do you know what you just wrote will work by adding 2 every iteration, rather than looping over all numbers and checking the condition on each?
fluid bloom
you just have to
alpine fern
have to hope for the best?
fluid bloom
how can you be sure that your for loop is written into correct machine code?
you just have to trust the compiler
tough sierra
You could test and check the asm.
And repeat and see it's habits.
Compilers have habits.
But they are unpredictable shits to.
It helps if you hand hold them.
alpine fern
translating a for loop into code directly stills results in something much better than when optimization of one of those filters fails
fluid bloom
not necessarily
tough sierra
If it's a really small loop there really shouldn't be a loop.
fluid bloom
optimizations or rust are done on LLVM IR level
alpine fern
I guess I haven't used rust much but everything I've seen so far has scared me
at least rust takes the record for being able to construct a type more horrifying than modern C++:
fluid bloom
where's that from? ๐
alpine fern
this api router
fluid bloom
I've only used rocket and it seemed to have better errors
and an overall system
I think there is an open ticket on github about imroving nested types like that
haven't really paid attention
btw, for loop version:
https://rust.godbolt.org/z/EsLWj3
iterator version:
https://rust.godbolt.org/z/EpKpC8
alpine fern
this asm is too big to be able to see anything lol
fluid bloom
ah true
alpine fern
I mean something like for (int32 i = 0; i < Blah; i += 2)
fluid bloom
I don't think there are C-style for loops
alpine fern
epic fail if you can't make a normal loop
fluid bloom
for i in (0..Blah).step_by(2) {
// Do stuff
}
fringe sundial
@alpine fern those high level optimizations is why rust debug mode is unusable
and why rust compile is slow
fluid bloom
cranelift seems promising
fringe sundial
it doesnt optimize shit, to LLVM is hit with a huuuuuuuuuuuuge amount of generated code and callstacks 20 deep
fringe sundial
with a x100 increase in runtime
so yeah, you cant
on my tests
i made a breakout game with an ecs + a 2d renderer lib
breakout
ran at 5 fps in debug mode
fluid bloom
it monomorphises everything so I guess that's why the amount of generated LLVM IR is big?
fringe sundial
the only thing it did is loop over like 20 entities, and render some quads
5 fps
completely insane
alpine fern
โ
fluid bloom
did you try the middle optimization level?
fringe sundial
yes
fluid bloom
๐
fringe sundial
today you can also compile libs as release
which solves most of this issue
middle optimization + libs as release should improve most of it
but holy shit lmao, the sheer difference
in cpp there is a big difference, but its at worst a 10x
on C code its like a x5 difference
on rust is a x1000
alpine fern
it's not even an optimization
more like a pointless high level abstraction
since final code runs as fast as a normal loop
fluid bloom
not really pointless ๐ค
alpine fern
but it is
alpine fern
harder to read and understand the algorithm, impossible to debug, slower to compile
I see no benefit
fluid bloom
understanding becomes easier as you become more accustomed to them
fringe sundial
its not pointless @alpine fern
its like std algorithms
or cpp ranges coming in 20
its about giving meaning to the loop
in fact cpp ranges are inspired by rust ones i think
for 90% of loops, there is likely a range that is 2-3 long that will have it
alpine fern
so when you say c++ ranges
I think of this blog post https://web.archive.org/web/20200222114306/http://ericniebler.com/2018/12/05/standard-ranges/
fringe sundial
so instead of a range, you have something like sort().take(3) to get the 3 bigger
or other things like that
fluid bloom
this is the thing that will probably be used for unoptimized debug builds in the future https://jason-williams.co.uk/a-possible-new-backend-for-rust
alpine fern
which is about someone over complicating a simple algorithm until it has absolute alien syntax and is totally unrecognizable for no reason besides "now it's more generic!!!"
I haven't seen any actually useful application of ranges so far
fluid bloom
generally speaking they give the compiler more data to work with
fringe sundial
if you look at the "mortal" side of the lib, its nowhere near as bad
the thing is that extending the lib with new ranges and views is lunacy
due to the extreme 999 IQ template bullshit
but actually using the lib isnt as bad
alpine fern
why would I ever want to write something insane like this
fringe sundial
he is basically just memeing there
that exact one is beyond stupid
but he is creating a "infinite" range
its complicated because that "triples" thing is now a infinite generator
he has basically pipelined a bunch of views and transformations into a composed one
also on cpp, you have coroutines, which make creating an infinite range of this much easier
i think its a shame ranges and corouitines didnt merge
when a lot of their use can go together
solid aurora
what we really want
is nice languague with good compiler to machine code
ie
C#
(;
Languague on it's own
without ecoisystem
alpine fern
C++++
solid aurora
is pretty much useless for anything than toying around
rust is on track to being more and more popular
as big ITs are starting to back it
if that's good or not is moot point right now
alpine fern
fringe sundial
@solid aurora the more i see the jonathan blow streams, the more hyped im for Jai
specially when seeing the "general workflow"
if you look at his game codebase, jai looks basically like a "less bullshit" C, with some extra niceties
but without going overboard
with faster compile times than C
solid aurora
I;m not I mean it might look nice but it is probabaly not going to get any traction without backing from some big corporation
fringe sundial
there are plenty of langs that are made by a guy or two
D was basically made by 1 guy
solid aurora
and without it, you are stuck using notepad (;
solid aurora
and in reality, how many people are using them seriously ? (;
languague without ecosystem is just fancy text you can type in notepad
regardless of how awesome it might be
i honestly think what unity does is best middle ground
they take existing languague and create custom compiler for it
you can still use all the libraries or use subset of it to get maximum performance
or combine both
solid aurora
not really
if only care about specific use case
its no that much different than writing high specialized virtual machine
fluid bloom
don't know anything about that so can't really say
solid aurora
not that I write compilers, just have coworkerd who used to do it for fun (;o)
fluid bloom
closest thing I've done was a simple interpreter for a toy language that executed stuff like this:
๏ปฟprint "Give a number";
var n : int;
read n;
var f : int := 1;
var i : int;
for i in 1..n do
f := f * i;
end for;
print "The result is: ";
print f;
woo
rotund tundra
what we need is a common game oriented language.. COGOL
fluid bloom
does the std lib of that language consist of a single function called MakeGame ?
rotund tundra
they're called procedures, but yes it has the much requested MakeGame in std lib
fluid bloom
eh, it returns a working game so it can't be a simple procedure ๐
tough sierra
C-- i can vouch for being "interesting"
Fun for osdev
It's like nasm, c, and c++ had a baby.
Except C++ wasn't really a parent the child just gets some minor influence form him in the form of classes. No polymorphism though.
pearl elk
Game Linkage Orientated Binary Asynchronous Language.... GLOBAL
fluid bloom
north torrent
Ooooo... it said I was approved to be stimulated...
rare sparrow
fathom wadi
https://twitter.com/UnrealEngine/status/1251125758916849665?s=20 because you know you want to
Twitter
several notifications later....
To sit amongst Kings, you must suffer the Jesters.
deep glen
im having a translation brainfart again, what do you call someone who is average at their skill. not looking for mediocre, but more the way you'd describe someone when putting out a job post/looking for work post.
hazy delta
glad I could help ๐
fathom wadi
Intermediate, or smart but lazy if they are old and don't care anymore ๐
median wraith
That's why I always remove the intermediate* folder
neon iris
๐ช
deep glen
better to have a pro folder amirite
neon iris
Prime plus plus
median wraith
@neon iris henlo! so for who it's the cookie?
neon iris
I get cookies of course
median wraith
If linter it's c++ only should be open ar 4.22 without problem at all Luos
neon iris
If Luos deletes /intermediate
deep glen
lol
median wraith
Just remember it
late night
deep glen
mossy nexus
That's just snidey
ancient ingot
arse
deep glen
signal citrus
Would have expected Ubisoft to have owned that subreddit lol
pearl elk
Man I love UE4 C++, working on it all day then VS just up and stops working throwing me stupid errors. Now its crashing UHT
Cuz it'd be too much to ask to have a coding environment thats stable
signal citrus
I bet you need to add a semicolon somewhere stupid
That usually gets UHT to comply
pearl elk
nah its not that, VS intellisense is giving me errors for all the UE4 stuff
pearl elk
the squiggly lines are telling me VS is fucked
signal citrus
Vax or resharper is what you want
pearl elk
dude
VS is telling me its broken, the highlighter wont fix it
if it doesnt recognize the UE4 macros its not generating code properly
signal citrus
Yeah wasnโt kidding, turn it off
pearl elk
yeah if it were that simple, now I gotta go through the 20 step process cuz anal technical twats
quiet narwhal
its funny how the first thing that is recommended for VS is shut off intellisense and pay for an addon and its sad but its correct lol
pearl elk
funny how turning off intellisense did nothing to solve the issue
That log is in the VS output
signal citrus
It is funny yeah. Idk how intellisense could get it so wrong
What does that line have mons?
Of UHT parser
pearl elk
Its actually been bang on the money all day, cept for when it stopped recognising UE4 macros entirely
pearl elk
Im gonna have to make a new project and migrate over
signal citrus
Nah just figure out what UHT is asserting on
pearl elk
yeah every macro is broken
Im not seeing any bad syntax
Ive removed 2 classes entirely it was telling me had issues
Well I managed to get abit further, its actually attempting to compile now not just spitting it should be a USomething somewhere maybe up there in the sky near supermans jock strap
You want to know how many times I crashed Unreal Scripts compiler? 0, never
signal citrus
Weโre you working with the cpp side of unreal 2? Lol
pearl elk
KISS principle really works especially in software
signal citrus
Ucc was death
pearl elk
you act like I have a choice
I wouldnt be touching cpp side of anything if there were a more stable text scripting language
Its why I went to Quake 3 engine instead of going to Half-life
and you know the one thing that got in my way since early on in UT modding was the pawn movement, same thing still getting in my way even in C++ so wheres the evolution in the past 15years?
Its like asking someone to just rewrite AIController in an arvo
You'll have to forgive my tone but the extra complexity does nothing but get in the way, its not useful to me in the slightest. Maybe if it somehow saved me time but it doesnt, its slower in every way except runtime execution and even then you just hit crash bugs alot quicker
So while people debate academics of things like ECS, Im sitting here wondering where the practical solutions are for people writing games not piss farting about with their thesis project
Dont even get me started on the simple shit like the transform gizmo
clearly made by someone who doesnt use DCCs
signal citrus
lol
pearl elk
but woo look I can make my C++ look purty
signal citrus
idk i'm a fan of c++, the tooling of uht is painful though
but i'm also someone that uses templates everywhere
thought process is usually: start with an enum, specialize every damn value to a struct template
pearl elk
I got nothing against people who enjoy C++, I just dont like being forced to use it unnecessarily. I mean if its so good why does the transform gizmo still suck ass? Maybe because its about more than ones proficiency to write performant code aye
Not saying thats a bad skill, its just one of many
Its why Doctors have specialties, not everyone does neuro surgery or podiatry, sure one might be more glamorous but both are equally important
quiet narwhal
What is the problem with the Transform Widget? Based on my experiences it functions similar to all other ones I have used.
pearl elk
C++ is basically the Jeff Goldblum to game designers Sam Neill
It only really works well from one angle, 3dsmaxs flips based on view angle and it scales... infact its better in every way to the point using UE4 is frustrating
but ofcoarse anyone who uses DCC apps should have seen a better transform gizmo since UE4s is as barebones as they come, I think Milkshape 3ds is better from memory
quiet narwhal
well its a standard tool with 3 modes or you can turn on the all in one widget. I've never had an issue every using it but I dunno maybe its just me
pearl elk
but ofcoarse its my problem like everything isnt it cuz no one else sees it
zinc matrix
You are lucky because you can use C++17 pat, what if you would be stuck like 3 editions below? Would you be happy with C++ too?
pearl elk
lets just sweep it under the rug
quiet narwhal
well you do have the ability to change it to however you want if it's that bad
pearl elk
like we do with all the broken basic features in the engine for years on end
No I dont because Im not a C++ programmer
quiet narwhal
this seems like a PEBKAC issue
pearl elk
even if I were a good C++ programmer the ability isnt enough
bold fulcrum
But is transform gizmo a programming or design matter though ?
pearl elk
and blocked, Im not going to be told genuine concerns are user error
ancient ingot
cockles
pearl elk
Its that type of attitude which leads to the dodgy software we use every day
sorry Im too important to listen to you USER ERROR
plays more candy crush
I will admit my error with VS seems to be created by me but this is my whole point about not wanting to be forced to use a language Im not up to the task of using. I have no other choice, you either have the ability to do C++ or youre out, theres no other way
Ive spent the better part of 20 years learning it and I still suck at it so drive doesnt count for shit
ancient ingot
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pearl elk
Just so over it aye, everything is 20x more complicated than it has to be even getting someone to look twice at the transform gizmo
Oh you know what we should write some documentation but lets all disagree on font size for our documents that'll be fun and productive
ancient ingot
@pearl elk would you like a hug ?
pearl elk
Id like a break
ancient ingot
i hear ya ๐ฆ
pearl elk
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Im not even gonna bother, Im rage quitting for the night
pearl elk
looks like she experienced some user error
ancient ingot
ouch lol
bold fulcrum
Problem is between couch and a tree
pearl elk
problem is the tree is a C++ class
those arnt ornaments only pointers to ornaments
and he's giving her a reference to a tree
bold fulcrum
at least it wasn't pointer to a pointer
Mons, whats wrong with transform gizmo though? Maybe I haven't felt it, and once told, won't be able to live with it anymore ?
pearl elk
at certain angles you have to move the camera to get it to work
I come from 3dsmax where the gizmo works where ever you are
it has customisable scale settings for upper and lower bounds so when you get too close it shrinks and too far it scales up. UE4 does abit of this with 1 or 2 of the gizmos but they are all seperate and not cohesive like maxs, they all share the same functionality
bold fulcrum
Should not have asked. Awareness of this fact will haunt me from now on.
pearl elk
you can adjust the handle sizes independent too, so the axis vs the planes
rotund tundra
most annoying is the angle limitations though
like 1/3 of the time i have to tweak the camera a bit before i can properly use it
pearl elk
Its usable just not comfortable, its like going to a painting app where you have to use ctrl+/- to zoom instead of scroll
pearl elk
Im sure if there were an easy delegate to replace the gizmo someone woulda done it already
See I know enough C++ to use a hook like that not to create one, the engine code is just a monster and I wouldnt know where to start
Splines have an even worse interface, people bag Autodesk and Adobe but their tools and palettes are top notch in comparison
rotund tundra
i've copied blenders 3d cursor system, for the transforms i have a editor umg widget in a side panel where i can touch and drag to change it
bold fulcrum
Unreal is definitely not on the KISS side of things.
pearl elk
Thats not a bad solution tbh using UMG
Well Unreal is a huge engine, it does require complexity but at the same time if you dont want or need the complexity it shouldnt be forced on you
Its not just C++, BP can be quite complex and frustrating, lots of the systems can be because of the pure amount of data you have to dig through.
I use the term dig lightly too, if we were to use a sense of scale it would probably be more like excavating the lower stories of a skyscraper in Dubai
anyways thanks for listening to me ramble and letting me vent abit
rotund tundra
you could make this into a weekly/monthly series, i'd subscribe ;P
bold fulcrum
podcast. Maybe a stream. I'd join.
rotund tundra
it's kind of therapeutic listening to others vent and rage about shit you relate
carmine frigate
im not a fan of the gizmo either
usin a mouse to drag stuff in 3d space sucks period ๐
but yea the coord gizmo is bound to the camera angle
horrible
i often drag it 3000km away and sometimes i try drag it back instead of controlZ
there should be a max on what u can drag it in 1 go ๐
i usually drag the number box now tho
pastel tiger
remote robin
Does anyone know if you can share a link to a ue4 learning portal profile? i want to show off some achievements.
dim ruin
awww ARTv2 seems to be completely down
download is gone and documentation page has been suspended
carmine frigate
@signal citrus u doin that dolphin thing right?
carmine frigate
u should try animatin it usin physics on low grav ๐
let the tail spaz out pushin a cube forward and record it ๐
they look kinda unrealistic irl when they do a backflip
cuz their front cant curve up i think
signal citrus
Yeah they aren't super flexible lol
carmine frigate
watching the blender tool stream, something poped up in my mind
woraround for completely broken ๐
u keep the rig with bones sticking from all sides
signal citrus
We do a lot of custom animation nodes atm
carmine frigate
than u weitht another skel and drive it with the sticking out rig
signal citrus
and physics for buoyancy is fairly complete https://youtu.be/hY0jRfxPYnc?t=34
carmine frigate
ahh cool ๐
signal citrus
a lot going on, and we're relying entirely on physx, though doing a lot to calculate tensor and com every frame
carmine frigate
pretty good something still a bit off tho
signal citrus
yeah its a process for sure
carmine frigate
but thats also not hand keyed just for the cinematic right?
signal citrus
that is me recording myself with sequence recording while swimming around in game and then making a cinematic camera follow myself yeah
camera is keyed, not the dolphin in any way
carmine frigate
yea thats a lot harder to get right ๐
signal citrus
ye lol
carmine frigate
mocap? ๐
signal citrus
lol nah
neon iris
Dolphins are weird
signal citrus
https://bubblepony.com/2019/12/dev-update-both002/ most stuff is simulated
we've got a set of 3d muscle torqueing poses we drive with a custom anim node
actual produced movement is simulated for the most part
carmine frigate
rotated capsule ๐
signal citrus
ye, we do a lot to that capsule though lol
the spheres make up that capsules center of mass, and then the inertia tensor as well
so the capsule really just acts as 'thing that hits stuff'
carmine frigate
dont u think anim dynamics and distribute rotation would work better for the tail?