strangest thing just happened.
#lounge
fathom wadi
I swear we have crossed into a parallel universe because recently things have been converging for me. Odd co-incidences that add up to be something like a time warp. Perhaps the CERN broke something?
north torrent
Maybe you died from the Maga-virus...
fathom wadi
I've often said, I won't goto hell, as I am already here.
north torrent
Hell is just Earth minus Tim Sweeny.
fathom wadi
You know this is a bit sad, but I thought if I was gonna die from coronavirus, one of my last acts would be to email Tim and thank him for making my last years interesting.
north torrent
I feel like the technology and availability of assets have finally caught up to where they need to be for me to make what I always wanted to make.
Back in 2012 when I was working in the industry, the idea of making a solo game of any high quality was very daunting indeed. Things like Megascans and the asset store and the amount of stuff available in the engine takes years of work off of my back.
Still have to keep the scale small.
fathom wadi
yeah the only downside now is there will always be one guy who recognised the assets and calls you a flipper
north torrent
But there is zero reason I shouldn't be able to make something as pretty as Red Dead 2 if I keep it small enough.
I doubt anyone would ever call me an asset flipper.
fathom wadi
I learned just enough modelling to modify stuff so it doesn't look like it originally did. 😉
north torrent
I think it is easy to recognize an asset flip when things look like they are patched together without careful consideration of color pallet, level of detail, composition, and environmental effects.
I think it is really that lack of artistic composition and story telling through things like color that make an asset flip look off. I just don't think the average person has the experience as an artist to understand what it is they are feeling. The average person doesn't have the vocab or knowledge to truly understand what isn't bothering them about it. But that's ok, that is why they are professionals at blah blah blah and game artists are professionals at arting games.
But I don't think for a second that taking the time to hand sculpt a rock or tree branch is going to add that artistic composition to a game environment.
fathom wadi
thats one of the downsides of having so many assets. Now everyone is a game dev all of a sudden. You used to earn that title, now it's bandied around like a nickname
north torrent
Same thing with people who use samples and such to make beats. It isn't that using samples is bad, but a lot of these 'beat makers' only really have beats and not songs because they have yet to learn the storytelling aspect of building a song. The tension and release of certain intervals and how it carries a story through the song.
fathom wadi
I don't like sampling stuff but I've done it before. I prefer to make my own licks and riffs with the tools. Being that I can play and know music, it's not hard to replicate manually or adjust influence
north torrent
I am fine with more competition.
The only real person holding me back from being great is myself. I know I have the ability to make a better game than most of those people.
fathom wadi
im working on a song currently. I might even release it when its mixed up
north torrent
The point I was trying to make with the music is that if the same person did go make those melodies from scratch it would still suffer from the same fundamental problems until said person learned the storytelling of music.
I just make music for my game. It will get released when I finally finish.
Most of the music I would like to make for games is beyond my personal ability. But that's why I chose this particular game with this particular story, because I knew I could make it with my limited music and voice acting abilities.
The other game I wanted to make would have required me to rely on other people to do the bulk of the voice acting and even music, and I am just not looking to work on a team at this point.
fathom wadi
just a quick output of part of the chorus.
north torrent
Sounds like the chorus to a love song or something like that.
fathom wadi
yeah its a love song for the sea
its called See Breeze
I get most of my musical influence from walking by and staring at the sea
north torrent
Did you hear the theme song I made for Mr. Olympus?
I don't think he liked it very much, which totally makes sense.
fathom wadi
nope you got it to hand?
north torrent
It's on my Soundcloud, I can get a link.
Mr. Soulless Pat has one as well.
I was just making themes for different people I knew online and offline to practice FL Studio.
Most of them are odd...
fathom wadi
I listen to Frank Zappa, you can't odd me out with music 😄
fathom wadi
I like it. It's a bit deranged but it makes sense.
north torrent
Thus is life.
It has Trashcan Mao.
I am going to just leave this one raw like it is and put it into the game. I just need to fix the looping a bit.
But I liked how it didn't really have any clear or defined points to it, it just sort of just hung out there in the background.
fathom wadi
do you mic up an acoustic or is it a semi-acoustic?
north torrent
It is actually a midi guitar.
My acoustic is in quarantine with my computer... sigh... and my microphone broke while in my luggage and gives too much static.
I wrote most of the stuff on acoustic originally, but I suck at recording.
fathom wadi
thats got some natural afflections that made it sound like it was played. I get a pretty static sound from mine. Sounds a bit too clean
north torrent
Well, all the credit for that has to go to the guys that recorded the Kontakt library.
Those guys are the only real reason anything I make sounds good.
Just like the bassoon... It isn't my skill that makes it sound good, but the quality of the recording that was used in the Kontakt library. I just have to not mess up my scales and keep rhythm and it sounds like I actually know stuff about music...
plucky pagoda
fathom wadi
Im using Ample Guitar II lite for mine. Its a really nice acoustic sound
north torrent
I heard good things about Ample.
I've just already paid the huge amount of money to buy into the Kontakt system, so I just roll with that.
fathom wadi
I got a load of that as part of the free stuff, but I don't think I'd spend on it. Theres too much free stuff thats great. Of course theres a lot that are utter crap CPU hogs too 😄
north torrent
I don't know if I have seen any free stuff on the same level as the stuff I buy from 8Dio though.
My next project is trying to write a call and response type song where the guitar and bassoon interact in a sort of complex conversation.
fathom wadi
it's hard to find a good Orchestra without being a cpu hog I find. The free ones are terrible for it
north torrent
I decided to do no full orchestra pieces for my game.
I want to go away from the Hollywood feel or typical epic orchestra scores.
fathom wadi
I'd like to do something classical at some point. I need to buy Noteworthy Composer or find a new sheet music app. I don't like just free-rolling for complex stuff like that. I prefer to see the music makes actual musical sense on paper
north torrent
Well, the way I have done my writing is that each character has a particular musical instrument that symbolizes him or her.
People who are closely related by allegiance or family or role in the store have instruments that I have carefully grouped together.
Different regions of the world are represented by different rhythms.
So out of the main factions in my writing (not my game... I am not game designing something this big, this is just my short story writing I do for fun) the one to the East is represented by 3/3 time and string instruments. The faction to the West is represented by 4/4 time and brass instruments.
Woodwinds remain sort of neutral.
The bassoon for example represents the ancient Redwood trees.
In my game I only have 6 characters, so my music is all based around guitar, music box, cello, concertina, tin whistle, and bassoon.
fathom wadi
should have a stoner who is represented by a 7/8 timing :p
north torrent
All the percussion is done by stomps, claps, or working sounds from the copper mine.
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ the only 7/8 timing song I can think of from the top of my head
north torrent
Well, if I was making a big project that actually had more that just the one little village, I would have multiple rhythms. Though I have got most of the rhythms from different types of dance. For example the Lizard People all have Cha Cha rhythms.
But I'm not musically skilled enough to make all those different types of music, and I really have no reason to, as they are just short stories that I write for the fun of it.
fathom wadi
now I have quit smoking, I might try find a clarinet. Always fancied taking it up. The sound of clarinet and oboe resonate with me
north torrent
But as a game designer I find it hard not to think about these things when I am writing.
I would try bassoon if I was going to learn a new instrument.
fathom wadi
I'd still play guitar if I hadn't broken my finger. It burns my soul to know I can't play properly after playing daily for over 15 years
if I could afford the corrective surgery I'd do it in a heartbeat. Even considered re-breaking my finger to set it right
north torrent
The instrument I struggle with writing for in FL Studio or on my midi keyboard or midi guitar is the accordion or concertina...
fathom wadi
I could play the accordion too. My dad bought one but didn't enjoy it so he bought a banjo. So I took the accordion to my friend's house to use for recording stuff. Managed to get used to playing it pretty quick
'murica
north torrent
I can play banjo, not accordion.
fathom wadi
yeah I got one from that account last week
which confused me as my daughter is called Morgan and I thought it was her for a second
spare glade
Its not a Bot, he has pretty reasonable Post History.
raw rose
Weird, why add random people then?
spare glade
Just deny the friend request? We cant stop people from adding you as a Friend...
fathom wadi
lonely? impressed by knowledge? Could be anything. I get a lot of randoms tbh.
spare glade
So do I. I just deny them...
fathom wadi
I have this random called @raw rose on my list too :p
fathom wadi
😄
spare glade
Im sure the 34000 other users will keep that in mind next time 😛
raw rose
I hope they do
Depends on how badly they want to talk to me lol
I'm just worried about bots adding me because it has happened before
fathom wadi
I like it when bots add me. Makes me feel like I have some friends.
raw rose
You do have friends though 
fathom wadi
I like to think I do 😄 But in the real world, I really don't. I never socialise. I just work and chat here 😄
raw rose
To be fair, by doing that you've protected yourself from the plague, and no I'm not going down that rabbit hole because everyone is tired of talking about it
fathom wadi
I think I had it tbh. Im feeling better today but the last week was rough.
raw rose
You're still better off
fathom wadi
Maybe. I would prefer to be working with real people instead of avatars tho
raw rose
Video chat works great on discord
fathom wadi
not with my internet connection. I get less than 1mbit upload 😦
that combined with a house of 7 people all using the internet makes for troubled viewing
raw rose
Damn, mine might be about the same, let me check
north torrent
I went outside yesterday and the day before.
Now I'm going to quarantine myself for another 14 days.
fathom wadi
unfortunately im still on ADSL2 so its limited
raw rose
I'm on copper, not sure if that's the same
north torrent
I bought the second most expensive internet here, and it was working great during the day. But last night it was horrible.
Working totally fine now.
fathom wadi
I'd upgrade to fibre but I don't like to spend the family money on my stuff. I haven't earned in 6 months either so it's not like I have any spare cash 😄
raw rose
I went outside today to split wood with family. Kept my distance as much as possible just in case
north torrent
I'm buying a new chair because my chair is quarantined...
fathom wadi
any news on when you can get your stuff back or is it being cremated?
raw rose
I heard you can disinfect it with some kind of UV light
Which would be cool if it was true
north torrent
It is just the building is locked down.
raw rose
Ah that makes sense
north torrent
So I can't get to the chair or my computer or my guitar or my ultrawide monitor or my toothbrush.
I haven't brushed my teeth in months because of this damn quarantine.
fathom wadi
true fact, sunlight kills an average of 50% of the bacteria that grows in low light.
north torrent
So I should just smile into the sun?
fathom wadi
I would presume that doesn't count for brand new viruses 😄
oh man im skipping words as im tired and talking to my wife at the same time 😄
broken sigil
I've been out twice in the last 3 weeks, went for a drive around the place I live in 😐
north torrent
I had to rent an apartment and move and such...
Nobody is allowed to enter my old apartment.
I used to have a pink computer chair.
fathom wadi
Now I'm not saying the recent virus has been bad for the town, but it's not looking good out there 😄
raw rose
I thought that was a dragon at first
fathom wadi
its a piece of concept art for Deus Ex Mankind. Apparently they thought my town was worth the effort. It's not. Blackpool is a complete craphole
raw rose
Looking at that pic of it, I'd agree
fathom wadi
case in point, some scumbags left 2 kids alone for a week in their house during this covid crisis. Police had to come get them
the town is dead though. no job, no prospects. Hence me being stuck here and wondering, "when's gonna be my time Lord? When's gonna be my time"
north torrent
Did they at least have Fortnite to play?
fathom wadi
yeah but I dont play it anymore. My ex decided she wanted to stop me seeing my son, and it was our thing, so I can't play it now. Reason she wanted to stop me seeing him wasn't nefarious on my side, she got married and wanted the new guy to be the dad. Did I mention shes a horrible bitch?
north torrent
I meant the two kids left alone for a week.
north torrent
I'm doing online shopping so I never have to go outside.
I realized my bed was upside down for some odd reason...
fathom wadi
north torrent
What if he didn't tell his friends but planned to keep it all to himself?
fathom wadi
then he is a "miscre-ant"
with that utter gem of a punchline, I shall retire to the old bed.
north torrent
I guess I should also buy food and not just chairs and TVs...
static cosmos
anyone know where on the dev side of things family sharing for steam is enabled/disabled?
tender lily
Now I'm not saying the recent virus has been bad for the town, but it's not looking good out there 😄
@fathom wadi damn, blackpool has gone downhill since i last visited
mossy nexus
Looks more like a email gathering exercise rather than a survey.
deep glen
no questions asked that would help him improve the game.
removed
median wraith
Its funny how Google and the linked webs leak your contents
old photos removed and even chats
bet even Discord will be leaked, alike chat webs did
nothing better than my conversations from dm in public google searchs
🤖
north torrent
Yet people still complain about China spying on people.
median wraith
Twitter post images only from other people of my Tweets
like you search for my name and you only find guys faces that aren't me but I reply to them on twitter lol
no cases of scenes
north torrent
Twitter is the devil.
zinc matrix
bros
limpid fjord
Anyone knows how to reinstall Engine Plugin?
HDRI Backdrop isn't functioning properly after I changed its BP
mossy nexus
in the launcher, try 'Verify'
deep glen
https://i.gyazo.com/c54a9ba6ea5480d2e95bbb21e61eab58.png
when randomized randoms need to be random.
hazy delta
and the actual code behind the output is
return 0.5;
deep glen
lol
sometimes placebo's work. if someone believes strongly enough it works even if the return value is 0,5.. would it work? :p
"The software is very slow, I have 8gb and any slug is faster. What do I need 128Gb of RAM? "
XD
sage tendon
at the library?
median wraith
seriously
sage tendon
could be the bakery but that seems a weird guess
pearl elk
I did find something interesting, Tiago Sousa isnt listed in Doom Eternals credits unless I missed em
which makes me wonder, what is a lead renderer programmer doing if not working on their latest game
sage tendon
working on something else I guess
tulip orbit
waiting for shaders to compile
pearl elk
So what could id possibly have going on the side?
tulip orbit
hopefully a new quake 😄
pearl elk
Lets keep in mind Doom Eternal also features the credits for their newest engine
sage tendon
Maybe Doom 3
last Doom 3 took also years to complete
So this time they started ahead
pearl elk
maybe a Commander Keen FPS 😛
signal citrus
Wouldn’t be doom 3 again if it’s not immediately out classed by a half life game
limpid fjord
@mossy nexus Thanks. "Verify" fixed it.
sage tendon
Give it 5 years
pearl elk
so Doom Eternal is Doom 3?
sage tendon
I thought it was a DLC at first TBH
pearl elk
cuz you aint seen another Valve game for another 13yrs 😛
signal citrus
That’ll be the case if it’s actually doom 3 tho
December 2, 1999 quake 3
August 3, 2004 doom 3
Maybe hl3 in under 5 years
This has already been done but I guess it’s a mess
pearl elk
If it were easy Valve is woulda done it right, but why spend the money when you got as team of monkeys who will do it gor free so you get more profit :)
signal citrus
Eh I’m actually super impressed by the vr
sage tendon
Valve should just search for a game that would be close to HL3 and just buy the studio, like they do with all their other 'products'
signal citrus
I wouldn’t offer another way to play it either if I was also selling hmds
Hlvr is as satisfying of an hl3 as anything else
pearl elk
Well they did say they couldnt see the game working not in VR, I respect that decision, doesnt mean Im happy about being left out. Its like when MS and Epic did Halo and Gears on Xbox you think I ran out and bought one, hell no, if they dont want me as a customer on my preferred platform... f em 🙂
Way I see it is Alyx isnt really for fans of the original game either, so Im fine with that.
quick thorn
@pearl elk After playing Half-Life Alyx, I have to agree. I can't think of a way to translate game to traditional hardware properly. It's just, as far as interaction goes, it's just so functionality different from a traditional game as many of controls are based on gestures, there's not a clean way of translating it, at least without taking away from the experience
pearl elk
What does ruffle my feathers is when Valve talk about not releasing a new HL episode because they didnt want to pump out HL games just to make profit. Even though they complain about the costs of development of the episodes and going on to pump out games with sequels for profit in all the years since. The holier than thou bullshit is such a front
signal citrus
Hl alyx is in every way for the fans though. It honestly just feels like another hardware barrier every new series in half life hits
pearl elk
They act like HL was some sort of transformative moment for the industry but it really wasnt, it was a great game and deserves high scores but its not the game which gave us GPUs being so prevalent. Sure this Alyx could push hardware but I dont believe VR will ever replace flat screens, it will always be an aside because people are lazy and want to sit on their arse and move as little as possible
pearl elk
It might be for Valves current fans but its not for us, the ones who bought HL day one
signal citrus
I’d disagree, I couldn’t be more pleased with the fan service in it
signal citrus
What is it that they did wrong then?
pearl elk
Nothing, the game is probably great, just not for me because of the platform 🙂
I really dont need VR to enjoy art
signal citrus
Hm yeah I mean it justifies vr to me a lot more than vr justifies it
pearl elk
Yes obviously they want to sell the platform theyve invested years in but why not just pump out HL titles then if its all about the bottom line
signal citrus
Does feel like the amount of effort they put into it could have occupied much of the time. But idk, pumping out hl titles is something valve isn’t known to handle well.
pearl elk
Yeah I just dunno if theyre actually thinking about the gamers like they say they are, I applaud their effort to push VR but its just not for me, theres too much friction, I prefer flat screens just sit and go... well if Im not forced to update 😛
signal citrus
If anything, the hl alyx name and not being hl3, maybe they are aware of such fan backlash if they were to just name it hl3
Eh lol, HL2 and dx9 were pretty hand in hand too
HL2 came with my Radeon 9800xt
pearl elk
In all honesty Ive never been the biggest fan of motion controls, they have their place but how can they replace the mouse and keyboard without cutting your legs off
Some of my best memories of HL wernt the shooting bits, it was the combination of movement and combat, same goes for all my favourite Valve games. This one regardless of what theyve added for the upper body will feel like a step backward... well if you had legs
Id play it seated VR with kb/m if it were an option
I am actually curious if someone using motion controls could hold their own against gamepad and kb/m players in a DM without teleporting
Willing to bet even with an akimbo advantage theyd get smashed
crimson mauve
Hey how do I enter game jams?
quiet narwhal
most of them will have signup pages with info
deep glen
quiet narwhal
I saw that earlier and uh.... its not wrong
primal spoke
why is 5G scary?
median wraith
because anything the big companies does is scary
signal citrus
Don’t think it spreads viruses but the amount of testing to how different it is: spooky
signal citrus
No
The first country to adopt 5G on a large scale was South Korea, in April 2019. Swedish telecoms giant Ericsson predicted that superfast 5G internet will cover up to 65% of the world's population by the end of 2025.
deep glen
Huawei's g5 was filled with content that allowed them to monitor whatever their antennae's received.
plucky pagoda
It's not like it's just theirs though
deep glen
no, but the majority of antennaes would have been if not for researchers warning about it
plucky pagoda
No doubt.
I noticed one of these was in the budget request for our local PD last year.
primal spoke
Great.
stable escarp
jss, unity still uses light theme, and dark one only in paid version... 🤦♂️
plucky pagoda
When this started you could only schedule a grocery pick up 3 days in advance. Today the first available was Monday night.
Next Monday.
Literally have to schedule the next pick up before you pick up the last one.
primal spoke
I never used grocery pickup before.
plucky pagoda
I like it. We'll probably keep using it even after this.
primal spoke
Did this make you start using it in the first place?
plucky pagoda
I think we did it like one time before but now it's all we do.
You pull up to the speaker at the appointment time, give them your name and they bring it out to your car.
primal spoke
what store is this?
plucky pagoda
Kroger is the one we use but most of them around us do the same thing. Walmart is doing it now too.
primal spoke
also, are tips expected?
plucky pagoda
No tips.
primal spoke
kroger is the closest grocer to my house. I might look into using this service, but like you said, it may be in super high demand right now.
plucky pagoda
Yeah. They have delivery too but we've never used it.
They've been canceling a lot of items in each order too.
primal spoke
Like you order them and then they get removed after order?
plucky pagoda
Yeah, they can cancel items and/or substitute.
My last 3 orders all had about 30% or more of the stuff canceled
plucky pagoda
yeah. you can pick how they handle it
primal spoke
not good
fathom wadi
if you wanted to take a positive out of it though, he's a Tory.
soft night
also who push brexit too
deep glen
Whenever I see Boris, or hear him talk I am somewhat convinced that he is the towns local drunk, and everyone is just going with his flow not to turn him into an angry drunk.
having that said, I dont know much about the man besides what the news mentioned about brexit
fathom wadi
I could give you horror stories about what him and his party have done to people. Let's just say my empathy is with the 100,000+ people their policies murdered. And who was it that defunded the NHS and sold it off to Richard Branson and friends? 🏳️🌈
what goes around...
pearl elk
Ive seen acouple of coronavirus deniers who have died from it, people aye
fathom wadi
Im not saying it's deserved, but if im expected to weep for him, naah
pearl elk
One of em called it a socialist plot to take down Trump
Other was a pastor so I guess God will save him in the afterlife
fathom wadi
I have a "friend" who said she would rather get the virus than the vaccine. I like to keep stupid people around to make me look smarter. She's helped me a lot.
I hope Boris recovers and has had a spiritual experience, and then comes back out and grasses up all the bluebloods for crimes against humanity.
pearl elk
if youre gonna do stuff like that atleast have the sense to fully clean it first
and wash your mouth out with a tidepod when youre done
zinc matrix
Putin extended free week to free month after his yellow man gone to Italy and reported back. That alone should light up red lights for unbelievers.
pearl elk
you know things are bad here when both the major political parties agree
zinc matrix
Then it's not bad in Poland 😄
fathom wadi
Half of my facebook feed is crazy right now. Some of the conspiracies are even too much for me and I woke up the hard way.
Did you know if you eat oranges you can walk around safely without getting the virus? Apparently ¬_¬
lusty elk
yes you literally just shared your own conspiracy theory with us
fathom wadi
which one?
the PIP deaths?
You can do study that one for yourself. The DWP only admit to just over 17,000 deaths but they didn't want to admit to all of them.
the figure was at 50k before they even started proceedings about it
They even tried it with my mother.
lusty elk
you claimed Boris Jonhson's policies had murdered 100,000+ people
fathom wadi
his party's policies yes
Him and his Bullingdon friends are all responsible for their part in it
lusty elk
rofl
fathom wadi
dont have to believe me. The facts are out there if you care to study it. If not, fuck off
pearl elk
You can get alot worse from licking a toilet so I suppose he got lucky
Typhoid, HIV, Hepatitis, man I cant think of many things you cant catch from a toilet
lusty elk
<@&213101288538374145> Take a look at @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
if you want to ride me, expect to be bucked off lad
bronze axle
Folks, if you're going to discuss politics, please do so with civility and humility.
fathom wadi
sorry its a passionate subject to me. Especially since they tried it with my own mother.
lusty elk
rofl
fathom wadi
seriously?
your gonna ride me again?
takes a deep breath out of respect for the channel
lusty elk
I hope Boris Johnson recovers soon, really good leader, maybe second behind Trump
fathom wadi
yeah it was fun when my mother, who has been disabled for 30 years, had all her money stopped, her car taken off her. Had to take out loans, was so ill she lost stones in weight, had depression so bad I literally was scared she would take all her medication. Super funny right?
oh this was right after my dad died too
they were married over 30 years
lusty elk
you're right, that is funny
fathom wadi
yeah I know. I have him blocked now
lusty elk
your response was funny, this other guy is just a child
fathom wadi
Did I mention that they wouldn't give my mother my dad's pension too? He worked for the DWP and they scammed her out of his pension he paid into.
plucky pagoda
fathom wadi
I recall the time that, due to cuts, my wife went to the jobcentre. But cuts were so bad, they literally said to her "Are you sure you don't want to have an abortion? Because you won't get any extra money for this one". True story.
fathom wadi
plucky pagoda
This thing is nasty. The more data we get the more horrific it is.
fathom wadi
Im a man of science. I'd be first in line.
primal spoke
yeah ive heard of folks going into cardiac arrest.
fathom wadi
probably crapping themselves too
plucky pagoda
..
lusty elk
There's some discussion that it affects the blood, not the lungs
primal spoke
crap don't kill tho.
fathom wadi
Im practically at peak heartbeat from the fear
I didn't mean literal crap. I mean scared 😄
mossy nexus
Constant diarrhea kills
primal spoke
true
plucky pagoda
Yeah. Panic attacks were the main event here last week
fathom wadi
they did say that one of the side effects was loose bowels tho
primal spoke
shitting, caughing, and cant breath, with chest pains....ouch
plucky pagoda
The symptoms are pretty much anything and everything. From sniffling, to GI, to coughing or just feeling tired
primal spoke
where do you start? ibuprofen?
zinc matrix
Weird imo that suddenly Corona is evil . A few weeks ago people would laugh about you using personal protection items, now it's Like a hype
fathom wadi
I've had really stiff lungs all week, not a persistent cough but a cough nonetheless. I was really bad last week but it seems to be getting better.
ibuprofen over 40 in men is a bad thing to take. same with any nsaids
primal spoke
stomach bleeds?
fathom wadi
risk of stroke
primal spoke
damn
plucky pagoda
The whole thing in the US was driven by a fear that if they told the general pop to use masks it would make it harder for medical workers to get it
mossy nexus
Thing with C-19 is a lot of people get other illnesses at the same time/just after like pneumonia
primal spoke
yeah it was guilt trip in the US at first.
plucky pagoda
With out testing you just have to assume anything is it
primal spoke
if you have a mask, you are wrong, give to medical pros.
fathom wadi
I've had pneumonia before. It almost killed me. Doc said I was 6 hours from death and if I had passed out one more time, I would have gone.
primal spoke
never had pneumonia before.
plucky pagoda
I tried telling my 16 yr that. Not sure he gets it. I was like worst case we keep some distance and we didn't have to, but if I assume none of us has it and I'm wrong someone could die.
fathom wadi
its like a really bad flu but it gives you side effects, like Pluracy. Thats the real killer. Your lungs fill up with mucus until you can't breath without it feeling like a knife in your lungs
lusty elk
don't give your mask to medical pros, use it yourself as they won't even have a use for it
plucky pagoda
Yeah, Tiger at Bronx zoo was sick and tested positive
My cats look nervous. Think word got out.
Haven't seen that.
fathom wadi
its gonna get in rats and mice presumably. So this ain't ever going away
primal spoke
Wearing masks from the jump would have helped immensely, imo.
lusty elk
SARS also affected some animals
mossy nexus
All reports I've saw for cats and dogs say they cannot have it.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, countries where masks are a norm have much better numbers for this
summer tulip
well idk my cat was sneezing a lot lately
fathom wadi
media isn't always right apparently :p
plucky pagoda
Damn, yeah domestic cats
"The feline ACE2 protein resembles the human ACE2 homologue, which is most likely the cellular receptor which is being used by Sars-CoV-2 for cell entry," Van Gucht said.
primal spoke
Well animals spread the plague, so....
plucky pagoda
Not familiar with the source but :https://www.livescience.com/cat-infected-covid-19-from-owner.html
plucky pagoda
Fluffy, we need to have a talk.
primal spoke
6 ft apart.
plucky pagoda
Damn.
primal spoke
thats how the black plague spread.
plucky pagoda
The new projections in the US are better than the last ones. Ohio in particular. Hoping the new ones we get from the Dept. of Health Wed. are similiar.
primal spoke
I think the numbers should go down faster as the number of infected wear masks even though they might be asymptomatic.
lusty elk
the black plague spread through fleas
primal spoke
right
plucky pagoda
They're still predicating an ICU shortage, but not everywhere. The latest models in Ohio show we'll likely not exceed capacity.
primal spoke
rats eating human corpses, fleas biting rats, fleas biting humans.
plucky pagoda
lusty elk
it didn't spread through rat bites...
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI New anti-vaxxer theme tune released by Twisted Sister !
plucky pagoda
The one thing about the US that gets me more than anything is the cultural emphasis on freedom and a complete lack of any emphasis on responsibility.
Why should I wear a mask? I can do what I want.
mossy nexus
A lot of people don't realise that if you have rights, you also have responsibilities.
plucky pagoda
This #$#%@ running this church down the road is a good example.
primal spoke
I firmly believe that a lot of US folks believe this was a foreign problem.
plucky pagoda
The butter jesus burnt down when it was hit by lighting and the new one is workout jesus and has a lighting rod in his head
mossy nexus
Trump did say, "what if we do nothing, maybe it will go away. Like a miracle"
plucky pagoda
fathom wadi
You don't have rights. You have privileges and they can be taken away at any moment.
lusty elk
Where I live we have no restrictions
primal spoke
George Carlin
soft night
primal spoke
@fathom wadi
fathom wadi
my man
plucky pagoda
Had to look up Sisu. Love the concept.
primal spoke
The irony is painful though regarding the UK pm.
mossy nexus
or the UK am
plucky pagoda
Hope it's not like the numbers here in the U.S. We're just moving into the part where the deaths start to add up.
primal spoke
I wonder how he will address all of this.
mossy nexus
baddly
plucky pagoda
He likely won't. Ever.
lusty elk
he'll probably focusing on surviving right now
plucky pagoda
Most people who go onto a ventilator with this don't come off.
lusty elk
he's not on ventilator yet
primal spoke
oh no, he will have to face the nation once he recovers.
mossy nexus
He could start with saying sorry for not acting sooner, or shaking hands with everyone at hospital
mossy nexus
or cutting funding to the NHS
primal spoke
we are all not the PM of a nation though.
quiet narwhal
the stores near me now limit the people in the store at once so rather than everyone shopping over time as fast as they can in the store they have them waiting outside huddled together for hours in the rain...
lusty elk
hey newton, nice job on the gravity but why didn't you do it sooner?
mossy nexus
or hiding the 2016 report which showed the NHS would practically collapse in a pandemic
plucky pagoda
It's not like the data just materilized out of thin air. Yes, there's more of it but we've known most of this stuff for months.
lusty elk
that sounds like fake news
soft night
@quiet narwhal that doesnt sound good when people couldget sick
mossy nexus
what the 2016 report? Nope.
quiet narwhal
yeah its an odd choice without any real benefit 😦
plucky pagoda
@quiet narwhal Ohio has a new order in effect starting today that mandates that kind of stuff.
primal spoke
I hope he recovers, but man oh man.
plucky pagoda
Limits on numbers in a store, increased distances etc
fathom wadi
@quiet narwhal they have been doing that here for the past two weeks. It's like being at school at lunchtime again
primal spoke
It will be interesting to see what he says, just saying.
quiet narwhal
i mean they figure if less people are in the stores its better but people still need to shop just now they have to wait and with decreased hours its more people doing it at once
lusty elk
in my country the government literally burned 2.5 million face masks a few years ago, it's not even a topic of critique
plucky pagoda
We're not doing any in person shopping. At least so far, but with the pick up orders now a week out and likely to get further out we may have to at some point.
primal spoke
Did he ever change his tone? I know Trump did.
mossy nexus
he had to, his voice was screwed with the virus
primal spoke
Or was he shaking hands until Hospital?
mossy nexus
bada-boom-tish
plucky pagoda
Trump's still exacerbating the problem. Saying crap then saying "I don't know if it's true some one should look into it, I feel like it might be true, I might go ahead and take some of this malaria drug, maybe I should ask the doctor, I don't know"
mossy nexus
Labour had a leadership vote, which had the winner hugging people and all that. Idiots.
primal spoke
Trump has been backtracking on his downplaying of corona from what I can tell.
mossy nexus
yup
primal spoke
heck, he took it serious the whole time according to him.
mossy nexus
Trumps been saying "some people said.." when he means himself
plucky pagoda
I use to train car salesman, door to door salesman, relators etc... Trump speaks with the same patterns we would teach them to use.
primal spoke
lol
plucky pagoda
Say things like "some people say, or your neighbor likes it"
primal spoke
It feels kind of like deja vu
from 2008
Bush left office with US economy sucking and then Obama took over.
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda I studied neuro-linguistic programming for a couple of years and the techniques politicians use to lie are so blatent now that I barely listen to them.
primal spoke
Trump will probably leave office with the economy in shambles.
lusty elk
why would the economy be in shambles in 2025?
plucky pagoda
There was a manager at one of the car lots I worked who was big into that.
He would unload all these CDs on my desk and then want me to tell him what I thought.
primal spoke
Presidents don't stay Presidents when the economy is bad.
plucky pagoda
I never listened to them.
primal spoke
that is why Trump was downplaying it at first.
if economy is bad during election, he is out.
thats how it works.
fathom wadi
yeah its like the colloidal silver business. Lots of crap being sold. But the core elements of NLP are sound
lusty elk
I think the general public is somewhat intelligent enough to understand a virus is not Trump's fault, and it's not like his opponent is non-senile
plucky pagoda
They just would take it to extreme lengths.
lusty elk
the economy might even recover from now until november
plucky pagoda
Simple patterns of speech are easier to teach, at least for me.
lusty elk
yeah it might
primal spoke
I hope, but it won't
soft night
did you know that bernie ecclestone is getting a new kid
lusty elk
I mean the markets recovered today a bit
fathom wadi
its like a religion to some people, but the key thing you have to remember about NLP is it can be wrong because the brain is too complex. Especially with ambidextrous people.
plucky pagoda
The response is 100% his fault. Most of the deaths in the US could have prevented.
lusty elk
anything could have been prevented, but when literally no country managed to do it except maybe South Korea then I don't think it's a fair thing to say
soft night
basically states have to do things right now to battle covid19
plucky pagoda
The daily fluctuations of the market have little to do with the actual economy or the price of bread.
primal spoke
US is not every other country.
lusty elk
I remember when the left criticized him when he closed travel from China... and now they say "he didn't do things soon enough"... weird
primal spoke
US has the means to do better, and we know it.
plucky pagoda
It's very fair. barely a month ago he said "It's 15 people, soon it will be zero"
lusty elk
it's much harder to control a virus in the US than it is for a smaller country
maybe you should focus on what he did, not what he said?
soft night
china is huge and did good fast
lusty elk
did they?
primal spoke
stop
lusty elk
how do you know?
primal spoke
china is lying bro
lusty elk
you trust china?
mossy nexus
I don't get way so many Americans get hung up on labeling things Left and Right. Seems bonkers.
plucky pagoda
No it's not. The difference is the will of the people in charge to do what needs to be done.
primal spoke
it was spreading and killing in China before it was even a thing.
soft night
its whole from whole nation do what needto be done
primal spoke
they only count confirm cases if you are not asymptomatic also.
dense storm
plucky pagoda
Ohio started shutting things down back at the beginning of March and now it looks like we'll have maybe 500 deaths from this wave. There's no reason every other place in the country couldn't have acted then.
lusty elk
china killing some of their political prisoners in concentration camps to harvest their lungs to give to Covid patients
dense storm
meh trying to get UE4 team to make a livestream on AssetManager
is like trying to find the holy grail..
mossy nexus
You mean the online docs aren't good enough? 😄
plucky pagoda
I think I found one good write up on it a while back. A lot of the stuff out there never gets that deep.
mossy nexus
For a lot of stuff
primal spoke
China had it before they even knew they had it, and then when they knew that had it, they covered it up.
dense storm
"Oh here is a snippet of un-useful code from Fortnite.."
in the docs for AssetManager..
mossy nexus
Some of the descriptions in the docs are... redundant
plucky pagoda
I'm glad you brought it up though. I'd forgotten about it and it might be a good thing to look at to solve some issues I ran into with Xbox.
I need a better way to sort and save bookmarks
fathom wadi
@dense storm I've expected that one for some time. Surprised its not happened as I am constantly informing people about AR/AM
plucky pagoda
There was a really good write up on it I found if I can find it. When I first started with UE I was really concerened with loading, unloading, rendering etc.. Not realizing how much of it you don't have to mess with in UE most of the time.
Idk what's going on I've had no luck lately finding the stuff I'm looking for. It's like google and bing hate me all of a sudden
Probably stress induced stupidity.
fathom wadi
plucky pagoda
Probably karma for mocking people about the wiki.
primal spoke
I'll check Reallusion.
plucky pagoda
I've never been sure about it and it's pricey. It was confusing about the sale price too when I looked earlier.
primal spoke
I have CC3 already.
fathom wadi
it seems great to me. I've seen the stuff other people have done with it and got to say I've been waiting for a while to get it
been waiting so long though that I taught myself to make characters from scratch with Blender 😄
plucky pagoda
My muddled mind is probably mixing an article I read for Unity with UE or something. I can't find what I was talking about and it's driving me nuts.
primal spoke
3DXchange 7 Pipeline this is the BS!
plucky pagoda
What does it do? I mean do you still need to buy models and other things on top of the application?
fathom wadi
its got a bunch of things. Character creator is probably the main use for most people. It generates them like Make Human but better.
plucky pagoda
ah, ok.
primal spoke
@fathom wadi coupon code doesn't work with Live Performance Bundle (Export Version)
plucky pagoda
I think I used a demo of it. But you still need iclone or something?
primal spoke
it was "marked down" already (has been for months) and then I tried to apply the code and the price did not change.
plucky pagoda
It went to $199 for the Character creator and iclone bundle
primal spoke
its $5K originally $10K
fathom wadi
The 50% off coupon cannot be used together with other discount coupons.```My only concern is I'm not sure what I still need to spend after that to really use it.
primal spoke
prices change when you refresh the page. lol jk
fathom wadi
hmm I wonder if I can get a student license because I'm teaching my daughter animation from home 😄
plucky pagoda
I get teacher and student prices on most things for being a homeschooler.
fathom wadi
cool. I never really thought about it
I moved to all free software so I dont buy much now
plucky pagoda
Adobe use to make you send them a copy of your paperwork, supposedly they still do but they've never asked for it.
primal spoke
Adobe just asks for email address.
fathom wadi
I'd wipe my ass on it before I sent it back to Adobe after the way they dealt with my account
plucky pagoda
I hate the way adobe is now. The creative suite thing boots on startup no matter how many places I disable it.
plucky pagoda
I think it's added its self to the cmos at this point. It's likely a DOD level information warfare program at this point.
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda yeah they force that akamai crap on too which is pretty much a virus now
plucky pagoda
It was causing all my unreal projects to stutter when I ran them.
fathom wadi
yep me too
plucky pagoda
Wasted a lot of time trying to figure that one out before I realized it was adobe running in the background.
fathom wadi
I uninstalled all Adobe software and they sent me a letter in the mail. All it said in it was "0,1,1,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,0,1" and suddenly it was re-installed on every computer in my house. Magic.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I got a text from my cousin's neighbor and then my computer booted up and installed Photoshop.
Not joking though, today I booted up and got that damn creative suite needs to update pop up. Exited creative suite and then got the pop up again, repeated this process like 10 times
Autodesk is almost as bad
fathom wadi
Yeah I was installing Adobe Animate the other month and it took longer to install all the creative suite crap than the actual program. It crashed once during install too
plucky pagoda
It's almost enough to make you want to run it in a VM
fathom wadi
I would do that if I had a bit of spare money for another PC, so the kids can all use it safely on their computers too. But I have been lazy with my home network.
plucky pagoda
I'm dieing to hear back about this dev kit.
It's from their DRM
I use a bat file that just runs the exe like 15 times.
If you get the bug, you have to get a few instances at once running and it will pass the check that keeps closing it.
Although lately it hasn't happened for me.
I'd put on a suit and do that.
Everyone needs hobbies. I like to apply for jobs I don't want and interview for them.
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda The last time I did that, I got the job. It was not good.
plucky pagoda
Lol
I act crazy. Not like the walls are moving but like something's not quite right
fathom wadi
I was in the interview, all relaxed and just being myself. They asked "why do you want this job?" and I said "I don't, I want to be a web developer". I did everything to try not to get it. I guess they liked that.
plucky pagoda
Sounds about right.
fathom wadi
I worked the job for 2 months anyway 😄
plucky pagoda
A friend of mine hired me to help out with the geeksquad at best buy for a short time. I didn't want to do it, but he needed the help. I was complaining to another employee that I didn't get how anyone would want to do it for only whatever it was an hour and I guess they all got mad because it was double what they were making. I'm not cut out for that kind of stuff.
I'm too much of a say what I think person for working for others.
fathom wadi
Im useless in sales. I prefer not to lie, as I only have my word and my balls and I don't break them for anyone (Scarface :D).
plucky pagoda
I sucked as a salesman but oddly was really good at training people to sell.
I hated it.
fathom wadi
I might try get a job at the local Apple store. See if I can convince a few people that they are a disgusting corporate slave labourer 😄
plucky pagoda
I'd like to think I've mellowed out and am not the same asshat I was when I did that kind of stuff. There's no evidence that it's true, but I'd like to think it.
fathom wadi
hahah I was a total bellend when I was younger. Ignored politics, ignored being a part of society. Pretty much just got wasted and partied. Fell in love with the wrong girl though. Got cheated on multiple times. Then when she thought I was out of town, she brought back a guy. I almost killed him, but I held my temper knowing it wasn't his fault. From that moment on, I quit all of that. I went back to college, got 2 jobs at the college whilst I studied (IT support and Learning Support tutor). I knuckled down and learned my trade. Ever since I have just been trying to be successful.
Its all about family for me now. What is good for them rather myself
plucky pagoda
Current situation is pretty much the same. I came home one time drunk after being out with friends after I got with my wife. She had two kids already and I felt so awful about being in that state around them I stopped drinking completely that day. Before that I was out at the clubs every night.
I mean I still have a scotch once in a while, but it's rare. Maybe once a year rare.
fathom wadi
Better to get it out of your system when you are young I think. I probably wasted a few years, but then I enjoyed them and learned to play music from it. Plus I got really really high. 😄
plucky pagoda
Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that I don't miss it one bit. Even if once in a while I act like I do.
fathom wadi
yeah I dont miss it at all. It was mostly drama in my case.
Almost 8 years since my last alcoholic drink at all. Never had issue with it, just didn't like it
plucky pagoda
I'm going to shut off the distractions and get some work done.
Working on this couch co-op thing and want to get it into a state we can start playing it here at the house.
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix Funny I learned most of Nirvana's songs from the unplugged set so I could use them to get some girls. It kinda worked but it doesn't bring you the right people in most cases. You are selling timeshares in effect.
my typing is bad today. probably should get some work done insted of typing my life story :p
yeah I was rock n roll personified tbh. Long hair, leather jacket, ripped jeans, played guitar, got stoned, got laid (not as often as I liked but still). You can only go on for so long like that though. Especially if you start believing you are smart.
fender jazz bass myself. It was a thing of beauty
When I bought it, I walked into the store with a wad of cash in my hand and said "How much for a Fender Jazz, cash in hand?" and he knocked off 15%, gave me cables, picks and a hard-case. I walked out feeling like a king.
I knew dozens of floyd tunes.
I used to play "Is there anybody out there?" every day. It was my acoustic coup-de-gras. But since I broke my finger I miss notes and it really pains me to miss notes on a song I know in my heart, every note, every bit of intonation
yeah I never played slap. I was a pick man because I started with regular guitar. But I can do it
I can play a little primus too but with a pick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7PlSUQiISY can play this
yeah try playing Steve Harris with a pick. Then tell me who is the pussy.
😄
My major influence was Geezer Butler from Black Sabbath. He was the closest to the sound I had when I created
hell yeah. Geddy Lee was insane good considering he was singing in that style too. And Neil Peart was one of the greatest rock drummers of all time
north torrent
I haven't used a pick to play guitar in years... Does that make me a bad man?
fathom wadi
no. I bite my fingernails otherwise I might have dropped the pick for the extra style.
north torrent
I don't really like listening to Rush at all...
I understand that the individual talent of each member of the band is at the top of the top... but none of it is what I would call enjoyable to listen to.
fathom wadi
it's an acquired taste, I'll give it that
How can you not like this though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk
north torrent
I admire his ability to play those bass lines, but I can't say I find any of them enjoyable or something I want to actually hear...
I would rather listed to Geezer Butler any day of the week.
signal citrus
fathom wadi
Im more of a Sonic Boomer.
I always wanted to do comedy songs like Weird Al. I'm forever writing new lyrics to songs.
north torrent
I always felt that the real difference between the Tony Iommi/Geezer Butler combo and a lot of the other musicians out there was that they only played the notes that were necessary, without adding excess frills to show off.
fathom wadi
yeah I love that tune. That performance of it is specifically awesome
tulip orbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA <-- some awesome drumming
north torrent
Drum solos shouldn't be a thing...
fathom wadi
Terry Bozio is my fave drummer of all time. He used to play with Zappa in the early days but he played with some major rock bands too. Here he is playing "the impossible drum song" called The Black Page (so called because the musical notation was so complex it looked like a black page. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDQE82ElyJg
north torrent
I think Bebop started the trend of music that isn't for the ears or the listeners, but as a matter of showing off that you can do something other people can't.
fathom wadi
funny as Frank used to use bebop in early influence. But then he scoped through almost all musical styles
north torrent
I'm not a Bebop fan... I think it killed jazz music...
fathom wadi
In 2010, "The Black Page" was performed by a young British percussionist Lucy Landymore in the BBC Young Musician of the Year. that is so cool.
I can't even remember the structure, nevermind keep up with it
north torrent
Honestly, that song you posted about, Mr. Rogerson, I can't see any enjoyable factors to listening to it...
And Steve Vai sounds horrible there...
fathom wadi
I guess the intonation offends your ear.
It's more about the expression than the melody or tune or enjoying it even. Consider that not all music is meant for everyone and it becomes a musical opinion. I can live with that. But Zappa is an acquired taste like everyone else.
north torrent
That's what I meant before, it became music for musicians as opposed to music for listeners.
north torrent
Not that there is anything inherently wrong with that, but it is an important distinction to make.
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmV3Bf2veAg This will explain the Black Page if the technicalities interest you. It's some mind-blowing concepts.
north torrent
My goal is to play as few notes as possible...
fathom wadi
I never had a problem playing a lot of notes, its getting them in the right order that is the hard part 😄
fathom wadi
I don't know who said it, it might have been Dave Gilmour, but someone once said "It's not about the notes you play, its about the notes you leave out for the listener to fill in".
raw rose
Yeah too many notes at once just turns into noise
fathom wadi
or jazz
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sYUthjyTb8 this was one of Frank Zappa's influences. He died on stage, playing a solo, and his last words were "ain't that a bitch"
broken sigil
But instead of polluting noises, i think NW has done pretty nice work with this video
Oh yeah, Nightwish has some great music in general
zinc matrix
Hi
north torrent
I ordered a duck and bacon salad with a pitaya and banana juice.
short shadow
Nice.
north torrent
My sleeping bag got delivered, but they put it in the lock box out front, and I don't know how to open it...
fathom wadi
is it a padlock?
north torrent
No, it is one of those fancy locker things where you have to use your cellphone to scan a barcode and enter a code...
fathom wadi
hmm. I was gonna say... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBSSA5ot0tA
north torrent
I'll figure it out when I am done with my salad.
fathom wadi
lockpick lawyer is a hero
north torrent
I was trying to get it to work when the salad guy showed up.
fathom wadi
a guy made of salad? I hope he didn't spill any mayonaise.
north torrent
The guy that brings salad to people's doors.
fathom wadi
why do doors eat salad?
north torrent
My tv only cost $127 and the shipping was free...
fathom wadi
perhaps the tv was free but the shipping was $127.
north torrent
Probably.
Some of these places just have all the leftover stuff and will basically sell it for the cost of relocating the junk.
fathom wadi
time for another episode of The Sopranos. Ran through 7 episodes tonight. I should be working really.
north torrent
That's what happened with all the mining gpus after the Bitcoin bust.
fathom wadi
Social Credit Coin.... coming soon to all ex-capitalist societies post COVID 😄
north torrent
Never seen social credits before.
sage tendon
we were doomed? so we aren't now? nice
zinc matrix
well we arent
sage tendon
so what are you up to?
zinc matrix
So latest conspiracy theory l heard about Covid is that we are getting DNA upgrade, think aliens black goo
sage tendon
Where can I download more RAM to speed this up?
zinc matrix
Now that I think about it, some people probably got downgrade 😀
sage tendon
Most conspiracy theorists could use an DNA upgrade
Like those "Corona is only a cover for the 5G rollout" theories
Kind of a sucky coverup if everyone knows about it
Its obvious that Corona is only invented to keep people away from the nature
rotund tundra
there's some truth to that.. as we reduce the natural habitats for these bacteria and viruses, they'll start to jump to our species more..
sage tendon
Its even easy to track down who is responsible: Corona is being consumed by Vin Diesel in Fast and the Furious, which is about fast cars. Ergo the car manufactures are behind this
summer tulip
exactly
zinc matrix
what is scary however
oblique trellis
I thought the best theory was that theres an extinction lvl asteroid heading towards earth and all the world leaders got together to keep everyone at home and reduce panic
zinc matrix
is they installing chips in ur brain or skin
sage tendon
at least I can access the internet from my brain when the asteroid is going to hit
sage tendon
maybe you can't, my brain chip got a 802.11n module
nova ridge
i think my intel agent won't be very pleased to find all the respirators in my porn stash
but hey is welcome to figure it out
sage tendon
@zinc matrix They could just read my facebook blog for that
zinc matrix
wut
rotund tundra
our government tried to sneak in police state in the latest anti corona policy package
zinc matrix
you post crazy things under ur name?
sage tendon
of course, why hide it?
zinc matrix
and what u write there
sage tendon
with 7.5 billion people on this planet, how much privacy do you think that really exist? 😄
everything you do or ever think of: someone else does it too
zinc matrix
i should meet that person
rotund tundra
our gov. wanted to give police the authority to check & track your phone remotely, have access to your home, etc... without having a warrant or your consent.. with the pretense it's for curbing the pandemic
zinc matrix
lul
sage tendon
If you have your curtains open, the authorities will check now if you meet the 1.5m social distance requirement inside
zinc matrix
really?
rotund tundra
always in a time of crisis they try to sneak bad stuff in..
zinc matrix
thats creepy
rotund tundra
i think he's joking.. there's no distancing between people who live together
zinc matrix
yeah i assumed he is joking
sage tendon
tbh, there was 1 case where people were warned inside their home, but throwing a 'corona party' isnt a good idea either
zinc matrix
if i get corona i get corona it wont stop us from partying
mossy nexus
🙄
sage tendon
@zinc matrix if its your choice to get it, thats on you. But if you infect another because of not caring, you're comitting a crime
pearl elk
People dont seem to understand there are certain opposing views that it will never be every way at once. Free isnt always without value or cost, liberty doesnt mean you are free at the cost of anothers freedom. The deprivation of liberty in this case is to protect it, not oppress freedom, people who dont get this think a police state is anything in which they cant do what they want when they want all the time, which means... Any system of government is oppression and the only alternative would be anarchy.
Good luck with that, I hear the Dark Ages were a blast
sage tendon
Anarchy leads to "power to the strongest", leading to further oppression
tulip orbit
All I know is that strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
summer tulip
sounds nice
pearl elk
Come and see the violence inherited in the system... Help, help Im being oppressed!
tulip orbit
oppresses Spoonium
sage tendon
If you're a freedom fighter that is fighting the oppressor, doesn't that make the freedom fighter an oppressor instead? 🤔
pearl elk
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
zinc matrix
yeah i hope
my parents wont catch coronja (but they probably will)
it will be the end of basement days TM
anyone else remembers
the church sprayed 50 people with gods water
and it was contained with coronja 😄 and they all got coronja infected
sage tendon
coronja sounds like a lemonade
fluid bloom
primal spoke
I won't be surprised if we see lawsuits coming out of this for influential people to use Covid 19 instead of corona.
zinc matrix
They should open a #corona discussion - channel ._.
primal spoke
#Covid19 😉
primal spoke
I was gonna ask you something the other day and I forgot what it was. Mao
north torrent
My TV is driving through Hubei right now...
north torrent
I have seen it, yes.
primal spoke
The fraud.
north torrent
I don't know, never really thought about it.
There are many fake franchises in China.
So it certainly seems likely.
primal spoke
Luckin execs was supposed to be different. They faked $310+ million in sales
among other things.
Everyone in China is rushing to use their discounts because they think they are going BK after this.
primal spoke
Luckin Coffee's (LK) app has rocketed to become the second most popular in China as consumers rushed to claim a free drink that it has long offered for downloading, worried the chain might collapse after it said much of its sales last year were fabricated
north torrent
Corporations being corporations I guess.
Don't think I'll be buying stock in them.
primal spoke
"Corporations being corporations" nah...its not like that normally.
north torrent
I've always wondered how half the businesses in China stay open though... You should see some of these Shenzhen shopping malls...
primal spoke
whats wrong with the malls?
north torrent
Fancy building, fully staffed, expensive merchandise, and nobody buying anything most of the time.
north torrent
No, they aren't fake. At least not the ones I am referring to.
primal spoke
fronts for illegal stuff?
north torrent
They are full of real, expensive, foreign products.
I just don't understand how they make enough money in sales to stay open.
I think it is more a government subsidized thing to have fancy shopping malls for the image.
primal spoke
most govs try to help business....except California.
north torrent
Or maybe the people who do buy things are super extravagant.
primal spoke
alright brb...going to make ☕
north torrent
The rich in Shenzhen are all about flaunting money.
If something isn't expensive enough to brag about, they won't buy it. That's why they only have really cheap cars for the upper middle class and super crazy expensive cars for the rich.
Anything in between would be too cheap for the mega rich to want to be seen in. Simply upping the price tag has effectively boosted car sales in Shenzhen...
primal spoke
folks still buying Teslas over there?
north torrent
Only the expensive ones.
primal spoke
the only car I ever bought brand new had a cost of $15K
why the star wars stuff, man?
north torrent
I just find the fake names funny.
I sometimes buy those just for the boxes and give them to my brother.
north torrent
Jurassic Worlo.
primal spoke
It went unnoticed!
north torrent
It usually does with people who don't speak English...
Not sure what your excuse is...
primal spoke
I immediately ignore anything star wars-ish. Not a fan at all.
The brand is too cultish for my taste.
north torrent
I got the Jurassic Worlo and SuperSpiderMan for my brother.
No, it was Spider-Superman.
primal spoke
Good. I saw the picture and didn't care to read the box. I'm sure that is what they are counting on for sales also.
Now that sounds like a bad-ass.
Spider-Superman
zinc matrix
sounds cliche
primal spoke
some powers a little redundant, but still cool.
John, what isn't cliche in the marvel and dc universe today?
c'mon
north torrent
I think one was also Man-Spider.
primal spoke
not as impressive.
north torrent
Superhero stuff is not my thing. I don't really like Marvel movies.
primal spoke
Infinity Wars was awesome, end game not so much.
primal spoke
I think I saw that? I can't remember tbh.
north torrent
primal spoke
lol, I enjoy watching the making the of some of the super hero stuff. To see what they look without all of the VFX and stuff. Its hilarious.
primal spoke
I love the Jordan brand shoes that are knockoff.
They make the Jordan look hilarious.
north torrent
primal spoke
primal spoke
cheerleader jordans.
there are countless vids showing people going into the markets in China and exposing fake merch.
especially shoes.
north torrent
Harry Potter Legos are called 'Justice Magician'.
north torrent
Should I send you some?
primal spoke
apparently its a stitch problem.
No, please don't buy those!
lots of fake merch to buy that look like the real thing.
You should buy some Luckin Coffee before they go BK.
north torrent
I found Ninja Tortoises!
I don't think they have them near me. It was common in Shenzhen.
primal spoke
Luckin said they are everywhere in China.
north torrent
Certainly in actual Shanghai. I live a bit on the outskirts of Shanghai where things are cheap and there are less Gwailo.
I'll check my app.
primal spoke
You have the Luckin app?
north torrent
Did I tell you my TV is traveling past Wuhan right now?
No, Meituan, it is the food delivery app.
primal spoke
You mentioned something about it.
north torrent
They deliver food.
primal spoke
Are you chinese or did you just learn chinese and culture on your own?
Ik you're from AZ tho.
north torrent
I don't know enough Chinese to carry on a conversation. I am just very good at non-verbal communication.
That and having enough money that they figure out what I am asking for.
primal spoke
You seem to know a lot about China and its history and Geography and demographics.
north torrent
The real key to communicating in a country without knowing the language is being rich, or at least being perceived as rich.
primal spoke
Unless you keep a wiki page open and google search ready while you type (like some folks).
north torrent
I am a history nerd in general.
primal spoke
I was shocked to find out the Chinese used to do Human sacrifices.
north torrent
We can talk German history if you like. Did you know that at one point the King of Prussia was also the Duke of Prussia?
Half of Prussia was part of the Holy Roman Empire, so the King could not call himself King because the King of the Holy Roman Empire was King. But the other part of Prussia was in what is today Poland, and there he could call himself King.
primal spoke
Seems like every ancient civilization practice human sacrifice.
north torrent
Are you planning on sacrificing someone?
primal spoke
German history is very interesting.
especially the late 19 century and the first half of the 20th.
north torrent
If I could make a historical TV show, I would make it about Fredrick III, the one year Emperor of Germany.
primal spoke
Also, I learned some folks believe Confucius is over hyped.
north torrent
But have story arcs involving the British Monarchies relationship with the Prussian Monarchy, and his father Wilhelm and son Wilhelm. And certainly Bismark would be one of the main characters.
primal spoke
if you use flashy mograph elements it'll sell.
north torrent
What if I stay true to history but change one little thing... they can transform into animals.
primal spoke
I watched a vid on advanced calculus the other day and it was interesting because there colors and numbers moving everywhere.
like animal farm?
but factual.
north torrent
No, like they are humans with the super power to transform...
But somehow history stays the same
primal spoke
I was once contemplating a History Projectile fighting game.
Like figures in history fighting each other using projectiles of their era.
started a GDD and everything.
north torrent
I'll take Julius Caesar and a Ballista.
primal spoke
IDK what a Ballista is but Caesar would definitely be on the game....with a weakness for knives.
north torrent
Double torsion catapult.
Not to be confused with a giant crossbow, because crossbows are tension based, not torsion.
primal spoke
Yeah, I gave up. I started thinking about how it would not be acceptable to include Hitler in a game.
But Hitler must be in the game! He sucks, but is a major part and figure in world history.
north torrent
Honestly, I can think of dozens of more evil leaders...
primal spoke
IDK if any platform would let a game on it if you could play as hitler.
No you can't.
summer tulip
surely he can
primal spoke
a few maybe, but Hitler is up there.
north torrent
Imperial Japan and Stalin's Russia were worse than Nazi Germany during his time in history.
primal spoke
Hitler's influence endures to this day.
People are still killed today because of Hitler.
north torrent
Imperial Japan has to be the worst or the evil empires in history though, hands down.
primal spoke
You are not hearing me....Hitler still influences violence against humanity right now.
No one is killing folks in the cause of Polpot.
primal spoke
Sadly, hitler learned everything he knew about Eugenics from the US.
Name 5 more evil people in history than Hitler. I'm really curious.
north torrent
Genghis Khan was basically just a serial killer...
primal spoke
also raped everybody.
north torrent
And built nothing, left no art or writing or architecture...
primal spoke
IDK anyone Genghis Khanians today.
north torrent
No cities that still stand today...
primal spoke
Yes, but not anymore and have not been for decades.
fringe sundial
definitely worse than the nazis
north torrent
Imperial Japan was certainly worse than Genghis Khan
primal spoke
There are neo nazis today.
primal spoke
That is what I'm saying. Hitler's legacy is still destroying today.
north torrent
Imperial Japan wanted to wipe out the very fact that Korean people ever existed.
fringe sundial
mr khan killed enough people to literally have a global effect on climate
north torrent
Erase their history and turn them into a slave class to serve Japan.
fringe sundial
yes but they didnt get to do it, gengis khan did murder a megafuckton of people
entire towns and cities oblierated just as an example
north torrent
And for what? Because he liked to murder...
Every other conqueror of that caliber has at least a few cities still standing with great works of art or architecture or some sort of cultural impact...
primal spoke
Blatant murder aside Nazi members became "contributing" members of US society and has influenced policy in the US.
north torrent
Still have to play number 2 to the KKK though.
primal spoke
I'm not doubting the Khan, during his reign killed more people, but the idea of White Supremacy was propelled to new heights because of Hitler.
fringe sundial
so not even stalin or mao got to such numbers
primal spoke
and White Supremacy has killed, oppressed, and (fill in the blank) for a very long time.
north torrent
Most of the deaths attributed to Mao are the fault of what Japan did to China in WW2.
fringe sundial
khan literally culled something like 20% of human population at the time
thats Thanos level
north torrent
90% of South America died during colonization...
fringe sundial
yeah but it was disease, not "manually"
north torrent
It's just hard to put a single name on it.
A lot was murder as well, or worked to death as slaves.
fringe sundial
nah, not that much. when spain conquered south america, they treated the indians somewhat decently
proof can be seen today
compare south american countries, where blood is mixed
vs north american countries, where the natives got genocided, and there is no mixed blood
north torrent
A lot of the death was when the Spanish backed one group of natives to go genocide another.
fringe sundial
ah yeah, the Aztecs were just that hated
tends to happen when you literally live-sacrifice your neihgbours
north torrent
Yup.
fringe sundial
thats what made it "easy" for southamerican to be colonized
north torrent
The Spanish just provided the weapons and set back and watched the bloodshed.
fringe sundial
didnt even need to provide that much
literally everyone hated the aztecs, so the spanish just were the "edge" the repressed people needed to rebel against them
primal spoke
You folks do realize that Nazis moved to the US brought here by US gov right?
fringe sundial
of course. nazi scientists were the real deal
nazi engineers and scientists were super good, so it was a obvious thing to do
what you gonna do, leave those rocket scientists in the war-destroyed germany?
better to just hire them
without those nazi rocket scientists, usa wouldnt have won the space race
primal spoke
Right, and they lived in what is consider one of the US's most racist states, ironically.
Alabama.
soft night
there was some very scifi and future things build from those engineers and scientists
fringe sundial
they were the weapons development from the nazi regime, they were top on the world on stuff like rocketry, planes, and explosive stuff
primal spoke
My point is, all of the people you name in history are relegated to history. Hitler's influence still lives on in the US, unfortunately.
Khans doesn't, Cortes doesn't, Coagula doesn't etc.
fringe sundial
the racism in usa doesnt come from hitler, it was there before
north torrent
Nazis are just knockoff KKK...
fringe sundial
yo know, the whole slaves thing
primal spoke
People follow hitler's beleifs today and carry out heinous crimes.
there are around 20K members of the Aryan brotherhood.
north torrent
I just bought tuna.
primal spoke
those are just open Nazis.
Point is, we are still dealing with real threats today from Hitler, no one else.
north torrent
And you wonder why I live in China.
primal spoke
China, has real chinese food everywhere?
** responsible for between 18–25%** of the murders in the prison system.
These dudes still believe in that crap.
damn, I just searched that in Google, well I wonder what Google's algos are going to tell the ad companies about me?
north torrent
I still blame the red hats.
primal spoke
??
north torrent
The people wearing red hats.
north torrent
I'm not a fan of hats.
primal spoke
hoodies are better lol
north torrent
Never see many people wear blue hats.
I do like fedoras, but only if I am wearing a suit and tie or something.
Don't want to be mistaken for a neckbeard.
primal spoke
Is there a Chilis over there in China?
north torrent
No.