lounge

[median wraith]

🙈

[primal spoke]

I bet Corona execs screaming, "call it covid 19 PLEASE! "

[median wraith]

Corona means Crown in Spanish by the way

[primal spoke]

IK

[median wraith]

So Burger King is related then?

[primal spoke]

Burger King?

[median wraith]

Crown, king...

I will give you all something to think about

[stiff crystal]

?

[median wraith]

Did you ever see a trash truck with a rotating cylinder in the middle?

Cause that ones rotate like the trucks with cement

So what's the point if that?

Can someone explain that?

[stiff crystal]

they must have a compacting mechanism on that which only works on that shape

[median wraith]

That's Italy I think

Could be but it's so strange thing

[stiff crystal]

why the sudden interest on tech of garbage trucks?

https://roadstars.mercedes-benz.com/content/dam/mercedes-benz-trucks/common/magazine/transport/03-2014/econic-clean-in-hamburg/images/header/econic-clean-in-hamburg-header.jpg

[median wraith]

Uh

[fathom wadi]

I used to be a garbage man for a while. Horrible job.

[stiff crystal]

they make absolutely everything.... https://www.sinoinflatables.com/6-meter-high-giant-kids-inflatable-garbage-truck-slide-with-lead-free-material-for-outdoor-adventure_p517.html

[fathom wadi]

Here's something though, often you get bored housewives will invite you in for a cup of tea. If you know what I mean :p

[stiff crystal]

https://www.sinoinflatables.com/uploadfile/201907/11/1efb08df61eaea30c1bbd5c889bda1e3_medium.jpg

[median wraith]

When was kid I used to wait till them come at 12 and clap them at times, was my heroes idk why, just don't ask I'm the most rare human bean

When they used to come 2 in the back of the truck stand

Now is trash all of it with a auto truck that the arm pick everything and that

Manual way was better for fun

[fathom wadi]

well they are gonna be considered heroes after this in some places.

[median wraith]

People won't remember a shit one year later

Or under less

Now every person here in Spain at 8pm clap at Windows to the medics

[stiff crystal]

https://media.giphy.com/media/adG8jQ4ulQ34c/giphy.gif

[median wraith]

When this ends nobody will give a shit

[fathom wadi]

true. the world has the smallest attention span these days

[median wraith]

@fathom wadi yeah that kind of tea isn't my cup of tea 🙈

*I just read it

[zinc matrix]

That would have to be a very fast tea in Poland, since they just take bags and move on.

[median wraith]

Lol

[fathom wadi]

yeah I never took up the offer but some other guys I worked with did. We would drop them off, do the block without them, pick them up on the way around

[median wraith]

People today is more crazy than what the Roman's used to do back in the time

[signal citrus]

@chrome ore what are you trying to do with ue4 for computer?

[chrome ore]

@signal citrus create high graphic based games that uses a lotta niagra type elements too

i dont have a budget tbh

[signal citrus]

Well Niagara is going to benefit from as many threads you can throw at it

you'll need a good amount of memory as well

if your willing to spend thousands of dollars on a computer a threadripper with lots of memory (64gb+) would be a good development machine.

[forest sparrow]

Hey, how is everyone?

[tulip orbit]

💩

[fathom wadi]

Think im good. Hope you all staying safe

[signal citrus]

doin well will, how you doin?

[stiff crystal]

I just got dead fruit fly on my coffee

now have to go get a new refill

[fathom wadi]

dude thats free protein. You will miss it in the new world :p

[north torrent]

Day 12 of quarantine.

[primal spoke]

Loving it eh

[north torrent]

I do like vacations... Wish I had my ultrawide monitor so I could play Red Dead 2.

[stiff crystal]

I can still relate to this: https://www.shutupandtakemymoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/when-you-find-out-your-nomal-daily-lifestyle-is-called-quarantine-meme.jpg

[north torrent]

Is it normal for men in hazmat suits to beat you with sticks if you leave your home?

[zinc matrix]

Yes when you are a slave.

[north torrent]

I think it would be economically counter productive to give so much personalized attention to beating down a slave...

Hey, I get free labor from this slave, but I have to hire 2 men in hazmat suits to stand guard and beat him... so I guess I would be better off just hiring someone to do the original job...

[zinc matrix]

no no no, it's not attention, they are giving example

[zinc matrix]

@azure chasm, You do not have permission to use the work command.

[azure chasm]

stop it you are embarrassing me bot

[fathom wadi]

I wanna know when @livid axle is gonna give something away.

awww I got a box as a present. Reminds me of when I lost my virginity :p

[primal spoke]

Savage.

[fathom wadi]

I was yes. 😉

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=181Z3FizjWw Actually found a streamer that tells it how it is about The Division 2.

[alpine vessel]

JFC. I am trying to use C# to read/write some JSON files for a little app I'm writing.

And I hate it. I hate it so much.

How did they make JSON so unwieldy?

The DOM types are read-only, exclusively.

[fathom wadi]

I think someone got stoned and said "you know that XML, welll I had a few ideas...."

[alpine vessel]

JSON is great though.

But MS's JSON API?

FML.

[signal citrus]

why are you using it?

[alpine vessel]

I'm writing my own version of NoHBoard and I want to use JSON to store some configurations.

[signal citrus]

I liked this one when I used to consider using c# https://litjson.net/

[alpine vessel]

I used Newtonsoft's JSON stuff before and it was good.

But figured, hey, there's now a built-in version in the .NET framework? Great!

[signal citrus]

famous last words to any new api introduced to .net framework lol

[alpine vessel]

I can make a converter for my type, but it's not DOM-based at all, which is kind of awkward in the first place.

I can kinda use the DOM system for reading part of a doc? Fair enough.

Now, what if I want to read part of a doc, then feed the rest to a converter? Mega-awkward.

[signal citrus]

yeah tbh, that ain't really json lol

[alpine vessel]

?

[signal citrus]

what does DOM based json look like?

[alpine vessel]

I don't quite understand what the question is. Using the API looks like this:

[signal citrus]

I'm guessing with ms its
{"jdom:title":"Hello World","jdom:version":["base64","agq9=-7u4nag-a9wnb"],"user:title":"Hello World"}

[alpine vessel]

DOM is Document Object Model.

It's a matter of how you design your API.

[signal citrus]

ah so it doesn't just tap into serialization?

[alpine vessel]

Not a matter of the format.

[signal citrus]

yeah, just with microsoft that usually means sticking in namespaces

gotcha

[alpine vessel]

In the DOM approach, you get OOP types to interact with that represent the data in the document.

Where as without it, you're dealing with a stream/reader in a very linear fashion.

[signal citrus]

it is likely a lot of garbage collection to map everything into objects like i assume that is doing?

[alpine vessel]

The write logic, for instance, can't be DOM-based because their DOM API is read-only - you can't create the DOM types, only the internals of it can create them for you to read from.

[signal citrus]

yeah that sounds very rough

[alpine vessel]

So the writing logic to do the equivalent of what I put above is way less intuitive and not especially object-oriented:

[signal citrus]

you could just go with xml or binary serializer, these are things supported with built in serialization (reflection)

[alpine vessel]

So is JSON

But I wanted to control the formatting rather.

[signal citrus]

aye, i would definitely go with a streaming method in that case

but i'm assuming you are considering performance in parsing these things

[alpine vessel]

Not at all.

This isn't a real time application.

It's a keyboard state visualizer, to be used for streaming.

There's an app called NoHBoard out there that does this, but it's... meh.

[signal citrus]

Yeah, if you are caring about the format, you'll probably regret not just setting up a stream reading and stream writing eventually. especially if these files get big

its a lot of work to stuff stuff into dictionaries arbitrarily just to be found manually later over and over

[alpine vessel]

It's not going to be.

[signal citrus]

the json file itself guiding execution is way more easier to write and not handle missing things

[alpine vessel]

It's really simple. I just want a hand-editable format for user-edited configurations.

I'm just annoyed at how awkward the MS created API is.

[signal citrus]

yeah

i gotcha, though that implementation of finding things that have already been parsed to write to memory like your doing is avoidable with something like litjson

just a suggestion

its not suprising microsofts implementation is unruly lol

[alpine vessel]

I'd actually prefer a DOM approach over anything else - I'm not dealing with performance concerns. Also, I don't have to use the DOM approach, but it's certainly easier to do than the alternative.

[signal citrus]

hm yeah when you say DOM I get the impression you mean a non-customized approach that follows to some sort of serialization standard so thats probably where i'm confused. but if your just remapping property names to types thats fine

https://github.com/LitJSON/litjson/blob/develop/doc/quickstart/guide.md

you can see the last example there, its pretty straight forward

[bronze axle]

Evening, loungers. 🍵

[alpine vessel]

DOM is literally just having the parser take the json text and parse it into a hierarchical set of objects.

[signal citrus]

yeah I understand what you mean, just used to the phrase being used with javascript/html

hello pfist, how are you doing

[bronze axle]

Eh. Long day.

Frustrating day.

[signal citrus]

everythings healthy?

[bronze axle]

Yeah health-wise we're doing fine.

Got some work done too.

I just want to start DJing on Twitch and dumb technical issues are preventing me from doing so.

[signal citrus]

darn

music?

[alpine vessel]

Sorry to hear that, @bronze axle. I'm working on an app to visualize my keyboard when I'm streaming, so people can see what shortcuts I'm using when I dev. 🙂

[bronze axle]

Yep. Been itching to start DJing more lately and there's a big movement of DJs to Twitch in light of recent events. I want to join in the fun and share my love of music with the community.

@alpine vessel That sounds pretty great.

What a fun addition that would be, and educational too. "Wait, what did he just do?!"

[zinc matrix]

twitch was causing lots of issues this morning but I think it has recovered now

[signal citrus]

careful with those passwords on stream sion lol

[bronze axle]

Yeah I heard they had a minor outage this morning.

[alpine vessel]

Who types passwords in this day and age? 😛

Password managers all day.

[fathom wadi]

I do but I remember all my passwords. Only downside, figure out my system and im screwed :p

[pearl elk]

this reminds me of that one time the world invaded Normandy

[fathom wadi]

They did? He never mentioned it on his twitter.

https://twitter.com/drukerverle?lang=en

Norman Dee (@DrukerVerle)

Half a century of keeping left. Forward, in all directions!

Zog Nit Keyn Mol!

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5953

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381

Twitter

[pearl elk]

twitter now theres a security hole if I ever saw one 😛

[signal citrus]

Don’t think there will be a doom sdk btw

[pearl elk]

Itd be so amazing to make custom maps with that content

snapmap was okay but it left alot to be desired

There are quotes from the senior devs going back awhile saying that mod support is a possibility and its important to them. Im not getting my hopes up but its more likely in a game which is less live servicey than Bethesdas others

[fathom wadi]

Just watched a video from a medical professional saying they have a combo of antibiotics that is clearing up Coronavirus now.

[pearl elk]

isnt that the chemical that dude and his wife drank, he died and she almost died

[fathom wadi]

the first one is yeah. Apparently it was having some effect, but just a slight reduction. So a French study reviewed it and added the second which removes a bacteria from the lung. It cleared it up entirely by day 3

[pearl elk]

hopefully it'll work, thing is the virus can build a tolerance to antibiotics

I read one article which suggested this has been building up for some time, that the virus was infecting humans well before we identified it but it wasnt until it mutated enough for human-human transmission we noticed

[neon iris]

Almost got me. Nice. That was quite the veiled sarcasm 😛

[north torrent]

I ate all my stew...

[pearl elk]

time to eat a hazmat guy

gotta peel to the suit off after you boil them though

[north torrent]

I get out in just over 34 hours.

I still have plenty of soup and cereal and candy.

[pearl elk]

lol out on parole

[north torrent]

Well, I'm just going to find an apartment and go right back into quarantine minus the hazmat dudes.

But then I can order fast food and get it from the normal delivery dudes without having to go through hazmat dude.

[fluid bloom]

since when do antibiotics even work against viruses in general?

[bold fulcrum]

They don't, but they help with bacterial infections, that tag along.

[pearl elk]

the virus is just a carrier for a disease isnt it

[fathom wadi]

the first one isnt antibiotic. The second one is

[fluid bloom]

@pearl elk they just inject RNA into cells as far as I know

they don't carry diseases

the cells then start producing more viruses until they die

[pearl elk]

I know nothing except that its called coronavirus disease which I probably shouldnt have shortened to virus

[fluid bloom]

the more cells die the more susceptible you are to other diseases

this was taught in high school biology 😛

the basic idea of viruses

[pearl elk]

I never did biology in high school

too busy doing advanced math, physics, chem and english

[fluid bloom]

don't remember what I had in lukio, advanced math too and physics but I'm not sure about chemistry. Iirc I hated it 😄

[pearl elk]

anyways coronavirus is a disease caused by a syndrome, so no not really a virus

I had to choose bio or chem, I chose chem

even on the wiki page they cant work out what to call it, they swap between disease and virus willy nilly 😛

[north torrent]

It's a pain in the ass, that's what it is...

[pearl elk]

yeah especially for us folk who didnt pass high school bio 🙂

[fathom wadi]

Its a SARS-Coronavirus from what I read. So probably a mutated form

[pearl elk]

all we need is some quantum antibiotics and its all good

[fathom wadi]

I cant take antibiotics. Allergic to penecillin 😄

[pearl elk]

but youre not allergic to quantums

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGINaRUEkU

[fathom wadi]

I am but im not also

[pearl elk]

we need to break the invisible forces holding Covid-19 together

virus syndrome disease disintegrator ray

[fathom wadi]

we can use vibrations man. The universe knows

[pearl elk]

I have just the thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjk4CCVxWZM

tada, the cure

[pearl elk]

To first fight the bug, we must understand the bug. We can ill afford another Klendathu!

[mossy nexus]

I want to know more!

[silk raptor]

good morning

[zinc matrix]

hgiu

HI

[dense storm]

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aGgmgg5_460swp.webp

[mild root]

Just watched a video from a medical professional saying they have a combo of antibiotics that is clearing up Coronavirus now.
@fathom wadi antibiotics help fight viruses only if they stop replication of nucleic acids and proteins in your own cells

hahahah

[scarlet tartan]

Any of you guys like New Horizons?

[median wraith]

Trying to read files in custom way it's like the never ending history

[north torrent]

Never heard of it.

[deep glen]

im the opposite, i think its a hollow shell

[soft night]

i dont have it and i dont have the console

[median wraith]

@scarlet tartan if you mean forza then yeah

[deep glen]

I tried to like it but sadly I dont, only isabella has redeeming qualities.

[scarlet tartan]

No was talking about animal crossing should have been more specific lol

[north torrent]

I've never played an Animal Crossing game.

[scarlet tartan]

I'm utterly addicted

[north torrent]

Can you grow a goose?

[scarlet tartan]

You can be friends with a duck, does that count?

[north torrent]

A duck isn't a goose though.

[median wraith]

Lol

[scarlet tartan]

They're both mean

[north torrent]

Are you a goose, Mr. Hevedy?

If I had a farm I would have a guard goose to protect my food.

[scarlet tartan]

Lol well what this was gearing up to is that my husband made an animal crossing new horizons Remix and I wanted to show you guys but you prob wouldn't care if you don't know what it is

[north torrent]

A remix of a song?

[scarlet tartan]

Yeah he also composes music for our games so maybe you guys would still be interested

https://youtu.be/k5DMxtkbJOU

Otherwise ignore

[north torrent]

I made a music once. It scared people.

[scarlet tartan]

Lol was it a horror score?

[north torrent]

No it was a banjo song.

[mild root]

no, just another nintendo's game for kids

[north torrent]

Kids are people to.

[scarlet tartan]

Lol and 34year Olds apparently

[north torrent]

Does this remix have an accordion in it?

[scarlet tartan]

I don't think so

[north torrent]

It's still loading... quarantine internet is slow.

[scarlet tartan]

Lol sorry, it starts off with the "childish Nintendo" theme then gets awesome at the end when he just fs off to do his own thing

[mild root]

adults play S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

and Gothic 2: NotR

[north torrent]

My favorite game in that genre is My Time at Portia.

The remix is a bit too electorincal for my taste.

[deep glen]

@scarlet tartan wording.

[scarlet tartan]

Fair enough

[median wraith]

Well I meet a lot of people over 30 that's only a number in their ID because overall act as 15 @mild root

[scarlet tartan]

Sorry

[north torrent]

I find it hard to latch onto music that doesn't have at least some real instruments in it. But that's just me.

[mild root]

@median wraith I act as 15, but my soul is forever 12 yo

[median wraith]

Lol

[mild root]

yet I am 29

lol

[scarlet tartan]

Well a synthesizer is an instrument

[north torrent]

Is it?

[scarlet tartan]

OK guys going to sleep

Thanks for listening

[north torrent]

I have mostly only talked to 9 year olds in the last 2 weeks...

[mild root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQzhnKpObGE

[north torrent]

Does that make me a 9 year old, Mr. Hevedy?

[mild root]

sure

you are infected with kiddiosis

[north torrent]

Are you also a Mr. Hevedy?

[mild root]

2ndary executive

[north torrent]

I taught the children about flying squirrels today.

[mild root]

out of context

I should go to my old house and seek for respirator

[north torrent]

Do it.

[mild root]

I'm drunk though

it will be funny

[median wraith]

Na if you're drunk then cannot be my secondary executive

[north torrent]

Can this goat be your secondary executive?

[median wraith]

Yeah

[north torrent]

Ok, I will call him Mr. Hevedy Jr.

[median wraith]

That goat dress with de la Prada cloths

[haughty tinsel]

Want to see a proof-of-concept test?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666392513443004446/694432917610561567/Annotation_2020-03-30_232809.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgUAxhNi_as&feature=youtu.be

Forgive the animations which aren't....normal.

If you know anyone who does animation graph stuff, DM me!

[north torrent]

Why is he slapping that guy... that isn't very nice...

Also, not good for social distancing.

[alpine fern]

prepares punch with run-up

miss

[north torrent]

Such is life.

[haughty tinsel]

The character isn't even supposed to be able to run or move while punching

So in a lil' bit that'll be different.

[deep glen]

https://cheezburger.com/8074501/20-rage-inducing-job-advertisement-fails-that-will-trigger-any-grammar-nazi

[hazy delta]

lol

[deep glen]

hmm i expected it to be funnier, that post is the only proper somewhat funny one.

[hazy delta]

I mean number 1 is kinda funny

I skipped that initially because I thought it's an ad

[pearl elk]

This must be an Australian post 😛

Im very ponctual and ralieble

[pearl elk]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=526191898087208

[zinc matrix]

hi

[silk raptor]

hi

[scarlet fjord]

this quarantine has allowed me to get my game where I want it

Love not traveling for work

[silk raptor]

this last month destroyed me

and for finish it all,my grandma died today

[signal citrus]

Sorry to hear that luiz

[scarlet fjord]

ouch, sorry mate

[silk raptor]

she was the person that i most loved,i've been having a really shit month,my father with cancer,my friend commited suicide and now her

[signal citrus]

C'est la vie, hang in there though. It’ll improve

[primal spoke]

The month is over soon.

[scarlet fjord]

Those are difficult times for sure. I've had a couple times where I lost multiple people I cared about close together. It will hurt regardless but I feel it helps to focus on the good memories you had over the years with your loved ones.

[silk raptor]

yeah,and now i have to take care of the things here

hope soon i'll find some remote job

or my comissions sells well

at least

[scarlet fjord]

I wish I could afford to pay someone to help me with my game

I might be able to in a month, but I am at the point where I think my game just needs optimizing to get players

So what I will need if I can't do it myself (I'm newish) is someone to help me make sure things like the networking and all that is correct

I won't know if I did that right until I start playing it though

I'm sure I made mistakes with my physics vehicles and such

I know other people can join my dedicated server though, and the actors all work in the engine. So we will see what happens

[silk raptor]

i'll take this time to try to improve at coding and drawing

i'll make some money

[fathom wadi]

thats what we all say

[zinc matrix]

if anyone interested #work-in-progress

[deep glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5zXDDMqhcw

[signal citrus]

when youtube starts suggesting 480p on all your videos

you know your internet is shit

[fathom wadi]

dip trip flip fantasia

they are throttling it still I guess

I was getting 240p the other day

[signal citrus]

i've got 8mbps down and 25mbps up

[fathom wadi]

ugh thats an odd one

[signal citrus]

i pay for 151mpbs 😡

damn 240p lol

[fathom wadi]

Im paying for Sky internet, it's really bad but its uncapped and I need that

10mbs down, 0.75 up

[signal citrus]

yeah i'm also paying extra for uncapped. and i'm fairly positive at these rates i couldn't reach the cap

[fathom wadi]

yeah and you know they are offloading the bandwidth on the side

I had a friend worked for an ISP that ran a gaming service too. He told me all their spare ISP bandwidth was used for the gaming service, which is why the gaming service went crap at peak times

[signal citrus]

lol spare bandwidth

that is a funny thing to think of

[fathom wadi]

yeah almost quantum in nature. If nobody is using it, does it exist?

[signal citrus]

running that data through them connections is spenday

everything being early adopted in the us results in our infrastructure being nonsense

but the rural areas just getting internet now, far from cities, they have some of the best infrastructure and internet you can get

very tempted to move to a forest of low latency

[fathom wadi]

Im just waiting for 5G to get here so I can go anywhere with free internet thats faster than my home 😄

[scarlet fjord]

240 down, 1 up

ugh

I don't want to wait on hold to talk to them

[zinc matrix]

@fathom wadi @signal citrus i get 4k on all videos

😉

germany

whatcha gonna say now, honeys

[fathom wadi]

Vorsprung durch tecknik?

[signal citrus]

https://youtu.be/7EmIBmMPcvs?t=307 at least youtubes recommendations are on point

[fathom wadi]

I had so much good memories of the mode-7 version of castlevania on the snes, but I went back to play it and it's a horrible game 😄

[signal citrus]

symphony of the night is the only castlevania

and your missing out if you've not played it on a saturn

[fathom wadi]

I never really played anything on a saturn except a quick go on Shenmue once (I think that was saturn right?)

no wait it was dreamcast my bad

another one I barely touched. Sega at that time weren't doing it for me. I was on Amiga and Snes

[signal citrus]

saturn version of sotn you can play through as a third character

but everyone ports the psx or psp versions because its easier

[median wraith]

https://twitter.com/pablodp606/status/1245020321532477441

Pablo Dobarro (@pablodp606)

The Edit Voxel Size Operator is now in Blender 2.83.
By pressing Shift + R you can change the voxel size of the remesher in a more predictable way with a preview over the model. #b3d #devfund
https://t.co/ic01Vh2zHF https://t.co/iQYlWNFPa6

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well don't need to spend 1000€ in Zbrush anymore

I mean this have even more tools now

Just waiting to the mega poly support or something

[vocal vapor]

I just wish they'd improve the animation tools.

Dopesheet performance in Blender ain't great.

Then again part of that is me just keying everything.

[mild root]

There is blender project called animation 2020

Animation improvements are planned

However, my biggest problem in animation is my lack of skills

[tough sierra]

Do people even appreciate the insane high game object counts in world war z? Like seriously that's a lot of moving zeeks.

[fathom wadi]

I find animation in Blender tip top tbh. But then im used to animating with bare minimum, no dope sheets etc

@tough sierra crowd agent tech is pretty cool

[tough sierra]

I thought it had a dope sheet.

[mild root]

Not technical skills but rather intuitive understanding of the movement dynamics

[fathom wadi]

@tough sierra blender does have a dope sheet, what I mean is I am used to animating without them

[tough sierra]

Even with crowd logic, it looks pretty damn optimized for having been made in ue4

Ah.

[fathom wadi]

yeah there are some talented people around

[tough sierra]

I doubt it's talent so much as practice.

As is with art.

But, do people even appreciate high object counts for games?

[mild root]

Yes

[tough sierra]

Me personally I thrive on that for motivation.

[mild root]

High object count is good. Means that you either draw more details per area or extend detail distance

[tough sierra]

I don't mean just for details, but mechanics, like factorio or such.

[fathom wadi]

@tough sierra you think talent doesn't come from practice? Because I have a gazillion session musicians will tell you otherwise :p

[tough sierra]

Was a bit bummed out when hearing someone proclaim rust as more optimized than something like factorio.

Ah no it does come from practice sorry.

The word makes me assume that it means someone who just intuitively advancers quickly within something.

[mild root]

Ah, yes, if gameplay needs it. Personally I like fairly small gameplay situations, like combat with dozen of enemies or less. And I'd prefer 5 tough and smart enemies, not hordes of one hit cannon fodder

[tough sierra]

Hm interesting.

What about say for example, hundreds of players in a browser game, that's basically a multiplayer bullet hell, with up to 40k moving game objects per tick.

[alpine fern]

people building megabases in factorio certainly appreciate it

[mild root]

What about say for example, hundreds of players in a browser game, that's basically a multipalery bullet hell, with up to 40k moving game objects per tick.
@tough sierra once you have too many elements, the game turns into statistics. It is not a game anymore

[tough sierra]

What if it was both a bullet hell and an rts?

That's how mmos are though honestly.

[signal citrus]

or massive oversized interiors in brickadia

[tough sierra]

I more meant top down 2D whoops >.<

Lots of space, lots of potential to grow and fall.

[mild root]

5 vs 5 is the average competitive match size for a reason

[tough sierra]

Ever tried planetside 2 by chance?

[mild root]

Yes

[tough sierra]

It's a bit different, but it's an fps mmo, can occasionally have battles with hundreds of players all in one area.

[mild root]

Ok

[tough sierra]

The fps client side does take a hit but server side it's pretty smooth.

I honestly appreciate it for it's scale.

[mild root]

It is personal preference of what game situations you like

I like small complex fights

[tough sierra]

Correct and I suspect that when it comes to describing visions for gameplay it's very easy to miscommunicate.

Personally i want something that's a bit sandboxy like or rts like that can scale bigger than any other title yet to come out, at least 3 fold.

No 10 fold.

And as food for thought. I came back to my roots and realized what I wanted after watching this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7f0YtzWBG4

It reminds me how personal games are, they are literally works of art, and you can't put them on a scale so easily.

I feel my work has lost a lot of luster because i fell into insecurity when asking for advice on how to progress. As someone who loves things that scale, optimizations are naturally required, and most people just don't understand or appreciate the same vision.

At leas the ones I talked to.

[signal citrus]

theres this series on amazon prime called "batteries not included"

its upsetting i can't just send you a youtube link but, the season with garry kitchen in it is very interesting.

[fathom wadi]

I remember an 80's movie with that name about old people who get visited by aliens

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092494/ good movie

[signal citrus]

hearing stories of how bart vs. space mutants was made is probably one of the most delightful things you can hear. people figuring things out as they went along, and reversing the devkit for nintendo because there just was no english instructions

yea lol

[fathom wadi]

I loved that game

[signal citrus]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B01LYBNX10/ref=atv_dp_season_select_s3

stories of how much freedom game developers had back then are amazing

"here is the simpsons, do something people will like"

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cYJwm43dJA when I first saw this on christmas day, I made a little sex wee.

[tough sierra]

My god.

Aklaim? Oh man that's an oldie.

They made some interesting variety of titles.

[fathom wadi]

@signal citrus I have so much admiration for the old school 80's and 90's coders. Kim Justice has some amazing videos on the history

[signal citrus]

I've worked with garry kitchen and david crane briefly in the past. they are legends yeah.

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRFY2orHo3o my hero

[tough sierra]

What's their history?

[signal citrus]

Coding around a scanline is something we both probably missed out on

david crane was founder of activision who were the first to allow game developers to put their real name in credits

atari would keep this secret

both of them made many popular atari 2600 games,

[tough sierra]

"The dungeon" lol

[fathom wadi]

Kids these days have it so easy. Pre-built engines where they don't touch memcpy or anything. Ignorance is bliss 😄

[signal citrus]

garry kitchen got licensing from nintendo to release the reverse engineered devkit for NES to people lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kitchen's_GameMaker

ye

whats super interesting about nintendo and super nintendo is that these had hardware level sprites

[tough sierra]

It bugs me though because a lot of games don't push things mechanically speaking.

Err with hardware.

[fathom wadi]

can it run Crysis?

its difficult to push hardware when you have a good span of variance across the board. Unless you hammer console development and fixed limitations, at which point you are not pushing anything, you are scoped.

[tough sierra]

I always assumed prebuilt engines couldn't handle scale, though I must admit world war z impressed me. I'm curious what their code base looks like.

[signal citrus]

game developers don't like hard stuff

[fathom wadi]

there was a rumour that unreal couldn't do open worlds, been doing the rounds since UDK. But it can. You just have to do it the UE way, exactly, and not everyones specs meet that requirement

[tough sierra]

Well a lot of things that can be done these days involve really basic stuff like proper linear access and avoiding indirection and avoiding doing excess work.

[signal citrus]

multithreading isn't a thing for game tick because its too hard

[tough sierra]

About that.

I know someone who's doing an mmo for ue4

Err with

For the most part it's scaling nicely, but in order to do that he had to basically hammer in his own physics and pathfinding apparently.

And networking especially.

Almost nothing default was used.

[fathom wadi]

well UE4 for an MMO is only part of the toolset. There is so much external stuff to consider

[tough sierra]

From my experience, it's default patterns and tools just absolutely can't scale for shit.

I'd rather avoid UObjects entirely.

[fathom wadi]

MMO is a misnomer these days though. The Division gets classed as an MMO looter shooter but its not. It's an instanced 16 player max world. Usually its only 4 at a time.

[quiet narwhal]

Blade and Soul is an MMO using UE3 that is transitioning to UE4 right now so it's doable.

[fathom wadi]

why avoid uobjects?

if you are gonna ignore them, just use another engine :p

[tough sierra]

I don't doubt it's doable but i very much doubt it's doable with the default tools that come with it.

A lot has to be reinvented and worked around.

[fathom wadi]

Im of the position that Epic know more than I do, so how can I criticize UObjects? Its obviously going to be my requirements that are in doubt, not the engine

[tough sierra]

UObjects have runtime and size penalties which excess size does also hurt runtime. There's a lack of control over how it's processed to.

[fathom wadi]

really?

[tough sierra]

It's not really that noticeable. Until you try pushing thousands of moving objects per frame with some of them having game logic.

Most people don't.

RTS games have to.

Indirection hurts, the cache line is super important, these are the basics that aren't platform specific to a large degree.

UE4 gives flexibility and ways to connect with blueprints, but the abstraction i personally find is very hard to trim off.

[signal citrus]

you want to avoid uobjects because they are garbage collected

[fringe sundial]

the entire actor hierarchy is a huge mess

uobjects are not that bad for what they are (GCd and serialized and editable objects)

[signal citrus]

so its not that you really want to avoid them, you just want their use to not be temporary

[tough sierra]

Honestly that seems true.

[signal citrus]

you don't want to make one every frame just to calculate or pass some value around

[fringe sundial]

@tough sierra ive done a lot of scalability experiments with ecs techniques in unreal, and it was massively bottlenecked

[tough sierra]

Where did it choke exactly?

[fringe sundial]

the only real way to do it properly is either trick with stuff like niagara for instanced meshes, or to hook directly into the render proxies

@tough sierra set actor location is outrageiously slow

and updating instances is also slow

[tough sierra]

Exactly.

[fathom wadi]

Every object orientated code using engine has it's own specifically optimised objects and ways of GC for them. Unreal's is right for Unreal, if its not right for your project, there is an issue with the code not the engine. But... that said, things can always be optimised at both ends.

[signal citrus]

aye vblanco

[fringe sundial]

updating instances being this slow is a disaster

there is also no "batched" operations

so you need to do "set instance tarnsform" one by one

and each of them has overhead due to extra checking

[tough sierra]

People don't seem to realize that meshes don't automatically get instanced, unless it's with the foliage tool, or if they do it's really not that great.

[fringe sundial]

@tough sierra they do as of 4.22

[signal citrus]

https://youtu.be/Oq0IQsqml_I?t=1088 @fringe sundial the set component transform calls here makes up for so much frame time

[tough sierra]

Let me check my project version real fast.

[fringe sundial]

http://victor.madtriangles.com/code experiment/2018/03/25/post-ue4-ecs-battle.html

[tough sierra]

I had to build a hism backend that allowed one instance per actor.

[fringe sundial]

https://imgur.com/o8fr811

4 MS for the "copy transform to actor"

i think thats about 200 actors

[tough sierra]

The project i tested with was 4.22.3

[signal citrus]

2000 components in my video

[fringe sundial]

nvm 400 actors

[tough sierra]

The custom hism manager pushed the frame rate from 20 or less to above 90

[signal citrus]

it eats up a lot

[fringe sundial]

on that pic avove i have about 4000 instances (the projectiles), and 400 actors (the ships)

instance mesh draw (copies the transform to the instanced mesh) takes almost 2 ms

and you can see the code because the entire codebase is opensourced for that demo

[tough sierra]

I really wish they would give us a rendering API.

[signal citrus]

curious: does setting the transforms to absolute make any difference?

[fringe sundial]

https://github.com/vblanco20-1/ECS_SpaceBattle/blob/master/Source/ECSTesting/ECS_Base/ECS_BaseSystems.cpp#L25

[tough sierra]

Wait a sec your the author of that article?

[fringe sundial]

sorry not that https://github.com/vblanco20-1/ECS_SpaceBattle/blob/master/Source/ECSTesting/ECS_Base/ECS_BaseSystems.cpp#L61 ths

[tough sierra]

I remember reading that forever ago.

[fringe sundial]

@tough sierra yes

[tough sierra]

Was a very interesting read thanks for that.

[fringe sundial]

i have a newer version on pure cpp that runs 200.000 boids

[tough sierra]

Ooooooh heck yes.

[fringe sundial]

newer than the second article

much tryharding was done on that

[signal citrus]

🍿

lemme know if you want the 3970x to do any tests on that

[tough sierra]

Personally I like testing on bad hardware.

[signal citrus]

i've got 256gb ram as well now

[fringe sundial]

i recently implemented some perf boost gonna send build

[signal citrus]

sweet

[fringe sundial]

the perf boost is about pipelining system execution

[tough sierra]

Appreciate the link ^-^

Wonder if I can find something to contribute with.

[fringe sundial]

nah, this is just random project i use to develop my own ECS and practise high perf multithreading stuff

[tough sierra]

I've been meaning to look into mod support for the engine to, allowing people to mod such that they can have the game import custom models and textures.

It really erks me this isn't a thing by default.

[fringe sundial]

have fun

[signal citrus]

[fringe sundial]

that one runs 90k boids

[tough sierra]

So if one can figure out how to have higher object counts, mostly avoid AActors and hopefully UObjects, and import stuff that'd be awesome.

[fringe sundial]

but each boid has two "wings"

[tough sierra]

Ooo~

[fringe sundial]

which are 2 transformed cubes as children

on the other side im not doing culling on this one, so rendering side is a bit slower

im trying to see if i can do some new trickery for the culling

[fringe sundial]

what the actual goddamn fuck

6 ms sim time?

bruuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[signal citrus]

is that bad?

encoding fucked up bad there

[tough sierra]

I wonder if I can showcase the one project somehow >.> I wanted to make a crafting game, where you could destroy trees/rocks/grass individually to gather materials and such. And my fps was super shit at first. Because I wanted every single grass and such to be an individual AActor. And thus, I had to make an hism manager to feed an index to an instance of for every actor whome would register a mesh id with it.

[fringe sundial]

its x2 faster than my ryzen 1700x

[signal citrus]

👍

[tough sierra]

Again fps went from 20 to 90 with this testing with over 4k grass actors.

[signal citrus]

ye dude third gen threadrippers are where its at lol

[primal spoke]

yo, is Chaos in the engine by default now or do I still have to build from source?

[signal citrus]

single core performance and 32 of them

[fringe sundial]

interesting that its not x3 faster

or x4

only x2

guessing the sync points of the parallel fors are fucking it

[signal citrus]

lemme turn off some things

[tough sierra]

Well heavier cpus do have a cost.

[bold fulcrum]

Chaos is always happening so late....

[signal citrus]

closes 200 tabs in chrome

[fringe sundial]

@signal citrus the main sim does about 3-4 parallel fors

[primal spoke]

so not in the engine?

[fringe sundial]

with single sync points

[tough sierra]

LOL

[quiet narwhal]

based on github Chaos will probably be enabled by default in the launcher version on .26

[primal spoke]

based on github Chaos will probably be enabled by default in the launcher version on .26
@quiet narwhal TY!

[tough sierra]

Suuuuure it will >.<

Hopefully it does.

[quiet narwhal]

well it's enabled by default, fracture editor and all, in .26 now on master

[fringe sundial]

but what is really interesting is this @signal citrus

[primal spoke]

.26 release date?

[fringe sundial]

boid hash morton hash is sub 1 ms in my pc

but in yours

is 3 ms

this is a parallel for that is 100% memory bound

[tough sierra]

Big cache maybe?

[fringe sundial]

it just linearly goes through every boid in the simulation, calculates a hash, and writes that hash into an output array

it uses atomics

so its likely that on his "fuckton of cores" the atomics are having more contention

[tough sierra]

I would assume it would yeah.

[signal citrus]

its using only 40%

[primal spoke]

the first hit on google is Chaos for 4.26 release date. lol

[fringe sundial]

uhm

actually no

that system is singlethreaded

so why is my singlethreaded 0.9 vs yours at 3

[tough sierra]

Is task manager even reliable in win10 compared to win7? I always used resmon.

[fringe sundial]

4.2 ms what the fuck

on that syhstem

more than 4 times slower 🤔

literally just this

[signal citrus]

idk lol

[fringe sundial]

maybe its having to pick up memory from the caches of the other cpus

[signal citrus]

i got it sub 6ms on sim time tho

i've got 256gb so maybe that is part of it too? i've got no idea tho why it would take that much longer

[median wraith]

I'm sorry but how the hell you got that

[fringe sundial]

i dunno

[median wraith]

=/=

[fringe sundial]

@median wraith fira code

[tough sierra]

Hm a map.

[bold fulcrum]

That is plenty boids out there.

[tough sierra]

Maybe some interesting indirection prediction?

[fringe sundial]

@tough sierra nope, that "map" is a flat array

sorted

[signal citrus]

possible maybe multiple threads are running that hash and they are summing or something?

[tough sierra]

Woah.

[fringe sundial]

thats done as a different step @signal citrus

[signal citrus]

single core performance is excellent so i'm not sure why it'd be that much slower

[fringe sundial]

maybe because that loop is 100% memory bound and overloading something?

thats the sort of thing i would need to debug locally

[tough sierra]

I know someone with an 8 core that had issues running rust above 30 fps unless he had "another" game running in the background. When it comes to lots of cores, I don't know anymore.

[fringe sundial]

stuff gets real weird when going into those numbers

this simulation is somewhat tweaked for 8 cores

which is my pc

i also run it on my 4 core intel laptop

[signal citrus]

idk my memory is fast

its not 3600 anymore, but its c16 with 3200mhz

[fringe sundial]

its not the first time, Rei also had some weird things going on in that specific loop

also being slow on threadripper for some reason

while everything else is faaaaaaaaast

[signal citrus]

rei's got a 3700x i think

oh that rei

[fringe sundial]

he also had it super slow in that loop for some case

[signal citrus]

ye the 2950x?

yeah well, the third gen threadrippers are in a class of their own really. i'd expect poorer core performance on first and second gen

[primal spoke]

Is this official?: https://trello.com/b/TTAVI7Ny/ue4-roadmap

[fringe sundial]

ill likely get one of those 32 core monstruosities

[tough sierra]

Well i'd think a bulkier cpu would do single threaded performance a LOOOOOOOT worse since it's cache gets in the way potentially.

[fringe sundial]

just for the fun of trying to multithread stuff on 64 threads

@tough sierra a lot of the systems on this simulation are optimized to a huge degree

[tough sierra]

That loop deals with a large array that in theory shouldn't fit in the cache right?

[fringe sundial]

pretty fun

[quiet narwhal]

@primal spoke that would be an official roadmap yes, but not accurate

[fringe sundial]

@tough sierra that array is massive

is 90k structs big

[tough sierra]

How many bytes you think?

[primal spoke]

officially not accurate....got it.

[tough sierra]

Even 100 bytes each, that can fit in the l3 cache if my math is right.

[primal spoke]

at least I know its wrong then. lol

[fringe sundial]

40 bytes

[quiet narwhal]

well its epic staff updating it but shit happens during releases so stuff might miss a target

[primal spoke]

Would Chaos be the way to go if I wanted to simulate building damage from fire in realtime?

[quiet narwhal]

Preview 5 just popped up https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/announcements-and-releases/1728453-unreal-engine-4-25-preview

[tough sierra]

3.6MB that might blow out of the cache for some cpus while not others under weird situations.

Maybe.

[fringe sundial]

the fun part of this simulation is that the absolutely lunatic thing goes so fast is actually memory bandwidth/alu bound

[tough sierra]

Damage from fire? I did something like that before. You can do that as is.

[fringe sundial]

quite close to the silicon limits in many of the systems

[tough sierra]

Depending on how detailed you want that of course.

[primal spoke]

Damage from fire? I did something like that before. You can do that as is.
@tough sierra as is?

[fringe sundial]

not on overheads from virtual calls or indirection, just raw looping doing calcs

[tough sierra]

My system was pretty simple though, i had a bunch of grass, each it's own actor, each had an integer index that was managed by an hism manager of sorts, but the actors had their own child actors with physics bodies which would act like... Burnable nodes. Which had different variables like intensity, fuel, and flammability.

[fringe sundial]

ive done that for a personal project around

its a fairly common thing to do

but most of time you do that, instead of actually making it an actor, you just have it be a "thing", centrally managed by the manager

[primal spoke]

This won't destroy the mesh procedurally realistically.

[fringe sundial]

of course, if its an actor you gain a lot of flexibility as you can go and have blueprint events

[tough sierra]

I wanted to be able to design it somewhat easily in BPs though.

Which was a crutch.

That was mostly due to compile time headaches >.< It's either... Work really slow with C++ or suffer major penalties relying on bp, though my cpu is reeeeeally bad.

[quiet narwhal]

have you checked out the chaos demos to see how they handle damage? that should tell you if they might work for you

[primal spoke]

Chaos building destruction looks awesome, and I think it may work for fire damage, but I'm not sure. I have not checked out the demos yet, You have to download a separate branch and build from source correct?

[quiet narwhal]

for now yes

[primal spoke]

Ok, I will have to try, but I'm so hesitant because my internet sucks and it takes half a day to download UE4.

[quiet narwhal]

watch the videos then, it's alot quicker. It should work tho with some effort as you can define damage points and let it fracture based on that

[tough sierra]

I think there's already a plugin in the marketplace that was free.

That dealt with fire.

[primal spoke]

I saw the vids and thats what got me interested in it.

[tough sierra]

You could have it catch onto different apex chunks, but it wasn't perfect.

It's what I used, it's not a complete plugin but it helps.

[primal spoke]

Blast replacing apex, i think.

[median wraith]

@primal spoke donwload GameMaker and press upgrade to UE4 and save all the time

jk

[primal spoke]

you're dead serious.

jk

Its so jacked up, if I download the branch...internet is done in my house for the rest of the day for the whole family.

Daddys' gotta play with Chaos.

[primal spoke]

@fathom wadi how you feeling man?

symptoms clear up?

[fathom wadi]

Like Abbadon post-Heresy

[primal spoke]

over my head bro.

[fathom wadi]

yeah seems to be clearing up. Must be able to handle it with my super messed up lungs or something. Perhaps my natural antibodies culled it I dunno. No tests to see what it was.

[primal spoke]

I'm glad to hear that!

[fathom wadi]

heheh Abbadon was the leader of the Black Legion in Warhammer 40k. One serious bad-ass. Held a unique Lightning claw and power sword

a better pic

[tough sierra]

Reminds me of the cyberdemon from doom somehow.

[fringe sundial]

i have a beautifully painted miniature of that guy

won a contest with that when i was 15

[tough sierra]

O.o? Didn't realize warhammer was that old.

[fathom wadi]

as soon as I got into WH40k, I went straight for Abbadon and Black Legion army. It's so freaking cool. The story is so good and if they ever do the VFX, it would be one of the greatest fantasy movies made since Warcraft

and I know people dont like that movie, but I thought it was flipping amazing 😄

[tough sierra]

The one with guldan being guldan?

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[fringe sundial]

bruh warhammer is from the 80s

[fathom wadi]

he's my fave character from the entire storyline

[fringe sundial]

its a little less 40 years old today

[fathom wadi]

today? 😮

[tough sierra]

Watched that a few months ago I think, was interesting, Honeslty not bad for a movie based off a game.

[fringe sundial]

nah not exactly today

@fathom wadi chaos marines have allways been neat

you get space marines

but edgy

• random demons

its a pretty fun army

as a bonus, you can allways take any kit from the space marines

and put spikes on it

[fathom wadi]

yeah. I always hated regular space marines. Especially after the Blood Angels cheese

I once played my BL army against a Blood Angels knowing I would lose, so I kinda cheated by making all my power claw rolls against vehicles have to roll with ignore armour. But after the game, the other guy was so obsessed with winning (hence he picked Blood Angels) that he pulled up the rules, and I said "you got me" and never played again :p

[fringe sundial]

chaos marines are pretty fun to paint and tweak, because they tend to be more varied than the normal marines

you get tons of different chaos gods to customize your marines, and in general the miniatures are more varied with the demon parts and spikes

i dont play with the armies much, i used to like painting and collecting them more

[winter zealot]

i wanna see the warhammer movie where the rabbit people are being invaded by the uh warhammers but then the warhammers can't crouch or jump trough the rabbit forest because of their costumes

[fringe sundial]

thus why i have a beautiful chaos army

and another beaitiful fantasy ork army

all well painted

hero units very well painted

[winter zealot]

and then they decide to make peace and the warhammers are copying and importing the rabbits way of life

[fathom wadi]

I have a friend who is an amazing artist. He once went for an interview at White Dwarf with a piece that was worthy of a cover. But he never got the job. I was always amazed by that. It was the sickest freehand drawing I'd seen outside of the magazine

the worst thing about it is, he lost faith in himself for a while and became a web developer. Waste of talent. He could be a quality concept artist

[azure chasm]

i just discovered

windows has this free program

call 3d builder

and you can put in a 2d image with alpha

and output a 3d

exported to GLTF and then from windows paint 3d export to FBX

you're welcome

[primal spoke]

like...how?

[azure chasm]

unfortunately i cant show the image i just made lol cause its for somebody

but yeah you can take a 2d image that has transparency

like a png

it adds depth to it

and becomes 3d magically

[primal spoke]

hmm...

this is the type of stuff that I image would look good projected onto 3D

this is here face: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643565939069157396/677549856784384028/unknown.png

[azure chasm]

lmao

bingo

is that iclone 2 or 3

[primal spoke]

CC3

[fathom wadi]

Anyone playing The Division in real life, you are a hero.

[primal spoke]

on hour 3 of building 4.25 from source + download.

I bet this ish crashes when it finishes building.

[fathom wadi]

I had an insane mission with 4.24 when it released. Chaos didn't work at all and I presuming it was my fault. So I ended up doing an entire day of recompiles before I gave up. It was fixed eventually but I decided to wait on further Chaos tests until later

[primal spoke]

Great, I might be in for the same result.

what a f-ing surprise:

[azure chasm]

on behalf of imagine games and all of its 1 employees i would liek to thank both of you for your sacrifice

[primal spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221799439008923648/694701824887881789/unknown.png

[north torrent]

That's very orange.

[runic depot]

random question, has anyone here worked with 3d artists in a short term contract capacity? Specifically to re-topologize a 3D asset into a "game-ready" asset?

Or is there a better channel/place to ask this question?

[fathom wadi]

I know a guy but he does specific stuff. Mostly sci-fi

[runic depot]

I'm trying to get an idea of what a decent payment would be for such a job. The hi-poly 3D Model already exists, but it's not well suited for games, so it needs to be topo and even rigged. I just don't know how much artists ask for this kind of work

[fathom wadi]

it all depends. I guess an estimate would vary. I mean right now, you could get some pro work for cheap. Might even find someone to do it free. What kind of model is it for rigging? Character?

[primal spoke]

Anyone here successfully build 4.25 from source with Chaos please stand up!

[runic depot]

I don't believe people should work for free. I don't have a big budget by any means, but I don't want anyone to work for "exposure" 😉

[fathom wadi]

damn I was going to do it for exposure. Now I can't get exposed.

[runic depot]

It's this model exactly: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/sci-fi/aces-nasa-space-suit

I'm in the middle of learning Blender SMH 😂

[fathom wadi]

me too

[runic depot]

I did 3d work in high-school, but I'm old and out of shape...

[fathom wadi]

Rigging that wouldn't be difficult. The Retopo should just be a grind more than anything. Funnily enough my next task to learn in Blender is retopo. My last model shows my slack forethought so I need to retopo it so I don't embarass myself when I release it :p

[runic depot]

Yeah, well, you and me both haha, learning Blender. It's the grind that does me in, If a good artist could churn out quality mesh in a few days, I'd pay. I've got plenty of other work to focus on.

[fathom wadi]

I don't understand this. Rigging is easy if you know the interface. Perhaps they mean the more "cloth" material elements, but even then, it's just a set of bones. You could probably start by giving it the basic bone structure from any software and work from there.

[runic depot]

I don't know, I didn't make those comments 🙂

I guess I'll find out soon enough, but I'm doing more research to get an idea of what 3d artists charge... I imagine it's going to be hell to get a good estimate.

[fathom wadi]

what peaks my interest is what is so hard about rigging it.

[tribal geyser]

RIP
https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/announcements-and-releases/1739154-changes-to-the-official-unreal-engine-wiki

[runic depot]

Where do people go to hire quality artists? I imagine posting jobs at any of these freelances sites, the hardest part is figuring out who has the skill to actually do a proper job.

[fathom wadi]

F

Oh man all those people whining on the forum post. The post said they are incorporating all the best info into a new source of docs. I mean, I lost count of how many times I found out of date stuff on the wiki anyway. The fact it's a security risk is obvious as its a wiki, made with older code itself and subject to that rule of security. Don't let your software get too dated.

[tribal geyser]

I'm just surprised a migration didn't occur before hand, even in that rudimentary form they are talking about

[fathom wadi]

did you install some .NET updates?

@tribal geyser they still have the data, currently they are talking to community members about migrating it to a new community wiki instead. Offload the risk

for the time being you can get a copy from archive.org

[signal citrus]

@alpine fern called it

[runic depot]

F
@fathom wadi I'm half thinking, if I can properly retopo and rig this thing, I can probably make some astronaut game ready assets, in this "realistic" vein. It seems nobody has this kind of asset on any 3d marketplace. Either they suck or are not good for games or even rigged like this one. And Epic Marketplace definitely has a shortage of realistic sci-fi models IMHO.

[alpine fern]

lmao

[signal citrus]

poor rama

his legacy is offline

[alpine fern]

good

too much misinformation was on there

[fathom wadi]

was it misinformation at the time tho?

[alpine fern]

some

[fathom wadi]

I hear a lot of diss on Rama's stuff but personally I owe him a lot to what I know, so respect from me

[tribal geyser]

they still have the data, currently they are talking to community members about migrating it to a new community wiki instead. Offload the risk
@fathom wadi Sure, but migrating the service after taking it down when it's already been in maintenance mode for a year sure is backwards. You and I might know how to retrieve that data but there are many, probably a lot of people, who wouldn't know how. I understand that there were security risks but they were known and were one of the many reasons why it went into maintenance mode in the first place.

[fathom wadi]

@tribal geyser aye. To be fair though, if we can find it, others can. Archive.org isn't a secret

[tribal geyser]

It is, but think of all the people you've helped who aren't hugely technically savy. Especially with the accessibility of the engine closing off a large source of info is just disappointing without a migration

[fathom wadi]

yeah even I will miss it. I dont remember everything. However I have been caught by bad info on that wiki too.

rather old info

[tribal geyser]

haha yeah

if i see anything by rama i take everything with a pinch of salt

more then i did already 😛

[fathom wadi]

I dunno I dont get all the hate on Rama like I said, he deserves credit for what he had done. Nobody is perfect and if you show me a perfect coder, I'll show you the latest in AI neural coding technology.

[tribal geyser]

Haha

[signal citrus]

yeah wasn't speaking against rama, they put a lot of effort into everything

@bronze axle that might be #unreal-news worthy though

[plucky pagoda]

https://www.biomedomics.com/products/infectious-disease/covid-19-rt/

This will mean an at home test not long from now.

[signal citrus]

nice

[runic depot]

The wiki issue is worthy of HackerNews front page apparently https://news.ycombinator.com

[plucky pagoda]

If you don't know about archive.org you shouldn't be complaining in a dev forum anyway

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCc2YkVBtGI Looks like Massive/Ubisoft took offense to the fact the community were calling them incompetent and useless and started banning people for a glitch you could do by accident due to bad coding. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. I swear they have been trying to kill this game since the end of TD1.

[bronze axle]

The first comment on HN is incorrect. We were warned years ago. Of course that's gone unless you look it up on archive.org, but still.

Regardless, I think the community will find a way to fill the gap if necessary.

[fathom wadi]

Yeah probably by spamming here 😄

[signal citrus]

idk pfist

i mean its possible that it existing has been preventing a community wiki from being set up

but kinda doubt someone wants to maintain such thing, for free

[bronze axle]

Personally, I don't think the solution is another wiki.

[fathom wadi]

I'll do it for solid gold

[bronze axle]

I think a new, more modern solution is in order.

[signal citrus]

an unreal facebook?

[fathom wadi]

we already have one

[signal citrus]

[runic depot]

They are doing more with educational videos and articles since the inception of the wiki no?

[bronze axle]

Hah, not quite. But whatever the solution is, we should probably wait and see what wiki content gets rolled into docs, blogs, etc. as noted in the forum post.

[fathom wadi]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ue4devs/

[signal citrus]

we can just gather around @quiet narwhal 's youtube page

<there is not a good bonfire emoji>

[fathom wadi]

believe me, its useless for the most part :p

I meant the facebook page not Mathew's :p

[runic depot]

I learned a lot. Those bite size tutorials are great.

[plucky pagoda]

Discord and facebook aren't really suited to providing an information repository.

[runic depot]

No

[fathom wadi]

yeah searching info on facebook is a horrible thing sometimes

[runic depot]

I don’t miss the wiki tbh.

[fathom wadi]

We should all make an AI with Manny's face that regurgitates wiki info

[plucky pagoda]

The docs are getting better everyday. The learn.unreal site is also looking better

[fathom wadi]

yeah the recent info updates have been really good

[signal citrus]

ah i meant, a facebook for unreal. not a page on facebook

[fathom wadi]

oh an actual social media site?

[runic depot]

Yeah, officially maintained docs should be the place to go, If they are properly maintained.

[signal citrus]

that'd be modern right?

[primal spoke]

overkill

[fathom wadi]

yeah that would be cool. Until people argue about who runs it and how its ran and it splits and turns into two sites. :p

[plucky pagoda]

I hated the docs when I started with UE which was about 28 months ago. The work done on them between then and now is impressive.

[signal citrus]

shrug off the unity too

[bronze axle]

I have some ideas for tackling this, but for now I'm focused in the imminent updates.

[fathom wadi]

@plucky pagoda I was doing some work with slate and detail panels and the only official info was so wrong I spent a week hammering it thinking it was me. Then I saw a user from here had a page with the right info and everything worked first time. I could have cried.

[runic depot]

Maybe this is heresy but Unity docs are nice. I mean the software and presentation they use.

[signal citrus]

vbs that is because they write the docs before the implementation

[runic depot]

Lol

[plucky pagoda]

Yeah, that's what's still lacking. Documentation for when you start diving deep into things.

[runic depot]

They sure do lol

[signal citrus]

"A boolean for screen locking? I guess the docs say so.."

[bronze axle]

The UE4 docs have improved significantly since launch.

I still think the Blueprint docs need a lot of love, though.

[runic depot]

True true

[plucky pagoda]

To be fair though at that point you're looking for someone who's done it before and done a write up or you're diving into the source to figure it out anyway.

[fathom wadi]

Could be like python. Write it as law, then have everyone write seven versions of that one thing that was absolute :p

[plucky pagoda]

I'd like to be able to pull up the source of the node from the editor. Like how you can peek a definition in VS.

[signal citrus]

It is awfully silly how the paths to source are baked in

[runic depot]

Sometimes I accidentally double click a native node and vs pops up.

[signal citrus]

if you build from github source you can double click nodes to go to their impl

[runic depot]

Even if you don’t. At least lately.

[plucky pagoda]

I know. It's a speed of workflow thing.

[signal citrus]

really?

[runic depot]

Seems to work for me.

[plucky pagoda]

I think if you install editor symbols maybe? Idk, I've always had source installed.

[signal citrus]

its been a bit, but it used to check for the files in like U:/BUILD4.21.3/SomeSpecificFolder/

[runic depot]

I do have some version from source and some not, so I don’t know if that has anything to do with it.

[signal citrus]

hm maybe they fixed that. nice.

[fathom wadi]

@plucky pagoda there was something like that a while back. It showed up little snippets above the nodes. Ill see if I can find it

[plucky pagoda]

Tbh, it's probably not that useful when you can already pull up the source with a double click.

idk

[fathom wadi]

yeah it was specific to the node though so it saved a little time

you could write into it though

[plucky pagoda]

yeah,

[signal citrus]

probably uses __FILE__

[fathom wadi]

hmm can't find it. It was years ago I last remember seeing it though

needless to say though its possible to do it. Although imagine the bugs and errors when it came to compiling edited code that way. I would imagine it would have its own caveats that might make just clicking the original file and scanning it quicker

[primal spoke]

finally:

Chaos in 4.25

[fathom wadi]

gg

[primal spoke]

haven't tested it yet, but jeez

it was a pain getting this far!

[fathom wadi]

its a fun thing to test

[plucky pagoda]

cool, of course it will break when 4.25.6 comes out tomorrow.

[fathom wadi]

no doubt

I've been saving it for when I don't learn to hate it :p

[signal citrus]

is it icecubes?

[primal spoke]

4.25 is from source build 4.25 in preview.

[signal citrus]

friction was off in preview 4

[fathom wadi]

Im so eager to do some chaos stuff though. It's got so much potential

[primal spoke]

IDK wtf to do?

[fathom wadi]

Imagine remaking the game "Black" with Chaos

[plucky pagoda]

I'm trying to get these labs near me to order that antibody test just so I can take one.

[primal spoke]

Took me around 5 hours to get to this point.

[signal citrus]

Black was under-rated

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHeV7i4IgZ8

yeah for sure. full destruction on a ps2 at that time? OMG

[signal citrus]

oof yeah the xbox version was better though

[fathom wadi]

I always wondered why nobody took this further after this. I mean, its been over a decade right?

[signal citrus]

game was pretty forgettable

but very much a technical achievement for sure

[fathom wadi]

I never realised how good the sound was in that game until now

[vocal vapor]

The animation in Black is okay for the time.

[signal citrus]

it ran well too though, that was the thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqFstZeUd4

its always fun to look up old xplay reviews

[fathom wadi]

I sometimes nostalgia wank myself with some amiga playthroughs. Then I start feeling old and have to stop. Gets depressing when I think I should have started game dev back then 😄

[plucky pagoda]

I buy an old game on psnow or something then play it for 5 minutes before realizing I have no desire at all to play this thing of torture.

Like Contra or MegaMan

[fathom wadi]

heheh yeah. Sometimes the nostalgia can be a lie

[signal citrus]

have you tried turning the volume up?

[plucky pagoda]

I've never seen that game.

[signal citrus]

old megaman games, need a lot of volume. but they are great

[plucky pagoda]

lol.

It's still a stiff moving robot who can only shoot forward

[signal citrus]

yeah but get closer to the tube screen

[plucky pagoda]

games were punishing because they were so short otherwise

[signal citrus]

it is amplified by the tech at the time lol

[vocal vapor]

Some old games certainly hold up better than others.

[fathom wadi]

I'd still play Sensible Soccer for money if anyone thinks they can take on the Champ :p

One of the best feelings in the world, is looking for a movie to watch and finding a recent Takashi Miike movie you haven't seen yet. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10228168/

[signal citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1OXgCmOvbQ want to see this one

[scarlet tartan]

Mercurius FM is doing a live quarantine DJ set in a few minutes. Video game remixes and dance music with live visuals! https://youtu.be/N72jPwCrmAI

[plucky pagoda]

https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html

[pearl elk]

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/content__max_width_no_upscale_/public/images/publications/2020/04/covid-19-cases-acquired-overseas-by-region-or-country-acquired.png?itok=QC3jQzyQ&timestamp=1585690418

remind me never to go on a cruise ship

[plucky pagoda]

Anyone who went on a cruise after January 24th of this year should be subjected to a psychiatric evaluation.

Did you see the stories about the 2 ships trying to dock in the US? They transferred a few people who weren't showing symptoms to another ship and now both ships have Covid19 spreading and no one wants to let them dock.

Zaandam and Rotterdam

Holy crap! Zbrush core is only $10/month now?

[signal citrus]

But rates

[north torrent]

By trapping all those people on the ship you are just trying to give them all the virus...

[pearl elk]

wtf the wiki is really offline?

[pearl compass]

haha, you thought it was an april 1st joke? That is the joke -- its not.

[pearl elk]

even more reason for a community run one now

[fathom wadi]

I shall become the wiki ! Although my memory is shit, you probably can't edit it unless you convince me, and there may be some porn on it here and there, I shall become the wiki !

[pearl elk]

could be worse, you could be AnswerHub

[pearl elk]

https://vimeo.com/343580999

hmm this reminds me of Unreal

[bold fulcrum]

Fully dynamic global illumination support, Finally!!!

https://www.latlmes.com/tech/ureal-engine-is-getting-fully-realtime-global-illumination-support-in-427-1

[pearl elk]

lies

[north torrent]

Ties

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/r2d2-rickroll-rickrolling-rick-astley-star-wars-gif-14530403

[median wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x993FRC4rXA

other than the light I don't see anything new

🤖

[pearl elk]

yeah theyre just remasters nothing new

inside of the Chinooks in the MW remaster was still tiny

[soft night]

MonsCovidForce is made and it will rule the galaxy in MonsImperium

[median wraith]

the more I play that last COD the less I like it

[pearl elk]

lol now you know why I rarely play

I had my fill about the same time CoD 3 came out

[zinc matrix]

@signal citrus when youre a child, everything is so awesome

😭

if adult, boring

[median wraith]

But you can shoot weapons and watch porn while get drunk doing the both at time

[median wraith]

oh look there are kids dying by the virus that didn't had any kind of problem before

surprise surprise

[north torrent]

The maga-virus?

[soft night]

Mons.Drive

today is second installment of unity 2020 roadmap

[primal spoke]

Sup

[north torrent]

Unity is still a thing in 2020?

[soft night]

unity have global illumination in they HDRP

[primal spoke]

hope everyone is well.

[stiff crystal]

well, they don't really have GI in HDRP atm

unless you count enlighten which never worked properly on HDRP

and on Unity 2020 they removed enlighten fully from HDRP

[signal citrus]

Somethings don’t get old, staring directly into plasma tube no matter your age or advice to not do such thing is nostalgic at least. Playing mega man 3 on something without scan lines loses a lot of charm

[carmine frigate]

i liked the refresh rate on my CRT with quake 3

[signal citrus]

Yea the glow/persistence of plasma is great

[zinc matrix]

https://i.imgur.com/rpzm93s.png

[median wraith]

you did it harry

[primal spoke]

My first go round with UE4 Chaos: https://gfycat.com/practicalverifiablegonolek

[median wraith]

lol

[signal citrus]

Ship it

[primal spoke]

Already on steam.

[alpine fern]

ye chaos physics does not work

[median wraith]

to me it seems to have the same quality of PhysX

https://youtu.be/CkUjpn288ow

Made that back in 2015 sure still the same

😂

[primal spoke]

70's porn music lol

[median wraith]

go for the 1:50