just sounds like big QQ
#lounge
hasty cargo
twin gulch
i personally like c++ a lot, since it was the first language that i learned
signal citrus
no reason visual scripting can't be given a better compiler really
fathom wadi
sometimes. And in some time.
signal citrus
i hope we don't have to wait for microsoft vis#.net
fathom wadi
its not so much the nodes themselves I factor into that though. Its workarounds to logic that should be done in C++ but is done the long way around in blueprints
signal citrus
eh its more of a preference thing. I tend to be better at writing logic out by text as well but i don't think its in any means more superior
fathom wadi
it is superior though. Thats the point :p
signal citrus
don't think so. the only thing that makes C++ more viable is its performance. which is something a better compiler for blueprints could fix
twin gulch
eh its more of a preference thing. I tend to be better at writing logic out by text as well but i don't think its in any means more superior
@signal citrus as stupid as this may sound, i have trouble understanding the blueprints, but that may be because i'm noob
signal citrus
i'm pretty sold that to some people schematics make more sense than written instruction
fathom wadi
what about unexposed functionality and core memory access? There is still things about blueprints that are locked behind C++
signal citrus
barely
to say c++ exposes this stuff to you is kinda misleading
you can just write to allocated memory but the majority of it is hidden behind the os
fathom wadi
well no im not saying that. Im saying things are not exposed by Epic themselves
signal citrus
one could expose anything to bp really
signal citrus
yea
fathom wadi
its obviously a case by case thing in order to determine the necessity of C++ in a project/game, but I learned the hard way about writing around things in blueprint that I automatically make C++ projects now
signal citrus
Yeah, I mean i've been writing c++ since 2004 or so. Blueprints really seem more like the future even though all the stuff they've been adding to c++ has been much appreciated
dusky shuttle
zinc matrix
I look at the picture and I see 3 jokes.
0. Programmers don't go outside of their caves.
- Guy is showing 2 but programmers start at zero.
- Guy is showing roman 5.
dusky shuttle
Nice analysis that can only be done by a programming nerd
signal citrus
it'd be a pretty bad programmer to ask for 2 when you want three
quantities don't work like positions in memory
vocal vapor
You forget the part where they all look like Quasimodo.
fathom wadi
the fact they deal with their drinks in arrays makes me wonder if they are real or just a cartoon.
scarlet tartan
Mercurius FM is doing live video game Remix and dance music DJ set right now with live visuals, some of which I helped make in unreal. https://youtu.be/S2SQF_bSpMA
azure chasm
@primal spoke LOL nice!
the "chocolate" blends really well into the toilet paper and other art assets
primal spoke
Thanks!
zinc matrix
@twin gulch my tip is
dont make mmo
it takes so much time ๐
time, that could be spent playing games chatting on skype eating chocolate and drinking redbulls
i didnt play games for many years.. was trying to be productive in that time whether be it gamedev or smth else.. but all my peers r playing games daily hard
OFC you could say i invested my time better cuz skills or whateva.. not just gaming..and if developing gives u as much dopamine as gaming does.. then theres no problem right
mild basin
What language/engine should I use?
Some things about me:
- I'm well versed in C++ and C#. I have 4 years of programming experience professionally using .net.
- I'm no longer in the field, but want to make some small games.
- I prefer native development for games for performance. I prefer .net for GUI stuff.
- My experience in UE4 and Unity have just been some beginner tutorials.
- I like cheese.
fathom wadi
Definitely should be learning HTML 3 then.
but seriously.... you should be using Unreal Engine. But im a fanboy so I can't be trusted.
mild basin
I like that, maybe with some of them cascading styling sheets, too.
fathom wadi
no I dont think CSS will catch on. Im hearing about this new Macromedia Flash though that might be the next big thing
what kind of game you want to make?
mild basin
I'm into AI/procedural generation. Thinking of a few basic games for practice, then do an RPG in the style of Daggerfall.
fathom wadi
definitely use UE4 then. I would recommend Unity for things like a quick mobile game or a 2d game. Or even if you only knew c#. But if you know C++ and like that kind of thing, UE4 is great.
mild basin
Sounds good.
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxuTudX3cIo from the Unreal Dev group on Facebook. OMG.
north torrent
Unity is great if you want to make a game that runs like a potato.
mild basin
I heard a similar quote today: "Unity is great for starting a game, but terrible at finishing it."
fathom wadi
Dont pay any attention really. It's all case by case.
quick thorn
@mild basin I've pretty much followed this rule of thumb for the past five years: Unity is best at 2d and Unreal is best at 3d
fathom wadi
the biggest reasons games dont get finished is developers, not engines :d
quick thorn
@fathom wadi this ^
mild basin
I know, I think it's just stating most are filled with new developers.
fathom wadi
yeah Unity attracts fresh devs
mild basin
And that's all fine.
fathom wadi
absolutely
mild basin
I'd rather have them in... another... discord.. chat anyway.
fathom wadi
sometimes one or two turn up here and try troll, but the proof is in the pudding
quick thorn
@fathom wadi yeah, it's designed that way. It's a c++ engine that converts to C# literally only to lower barrier to entey
fathom wadi
a lot of serious devs here use both and almost all say UE is the better engine for working with
@quick thorn thats odd because C# is about the same difficulty to learn as C++
quick thorn
not bashing unity, but I just find it funny that it's a c++ engine that doesn't accept c+4 inpuf
mild basin
Yeah, they're all tools in the long run.
north torrent
I only think about things from and artist perspective, and Unreal is easier to work with and has better results with less of a performance drain for things like particle effects.
quick thorn
@fathom wadi I haven't learned c# myself, so I can't say, but yeah, I learned that from Unity engine dev at a Pax east party last year
signal citrus
paid dark theme
fathom wadi
its funny because UE4 is a c++ engine that uses C# to build with ๐
quick thorn
@fathom wadi yeah, but at least you can still use c++ XD
fathom wadi
is there no dll system in Unity?
signal citrus
you can use c++ in unity too its just that theyt don't expose the internals of it for you to work with
mild basin
I hear the professional license allows C++ in Unity.
fathom wadi
thought so. It would be a bit off to not be able to use C++ in any engine these days really
signal citrus
p/invoke
fathom wadi
even UDK had external DLL support
quick thorn
@signal citrus yeah, I was about to say it's probably so you can't break the entire engine hahah
signal citrus
well marc, they don't let you interact with engine features inside it last i checked
literally make a dll, have a C api
fathom wadi
yeah thats what initially put me off Unity
signal citrus
and invoke from c#
quick thorn
@fathom wadi same, if I want to turn my engine into a hot mess, I should be allowed to
mild basin
I tried C# in the past for games, but I noticed I'm p/invoking everything. I was thinking, "Why not just use C++ if this is going to keep happening" hah
fathom wadi
I have this engine modification im toying with atm. I want to make it a plugin, but it seems ideal to be in the core engine.
quick thorn
oh?
signal citrus
when you understand the truths of c# its off putting
quick thorn
Please, feel free to explain further, I'm always down to hear about new rendering engines
signal citrus
you hear people complaining about garbage collection but its worse than it sounds on c#
mild basin
Yeah
quick thorn
@signal citrus yeah, you can't do all that much with because of how sandbox it is
signal citrus
any threads you fire up in C#, all of these. they stop for gc
mild basin
I've been liking C++'s unique_ptr lately for "GC"
fathom wadi
@quick thorn its not for rendering. Its to add Conditional Breakpoint support to the engine. Currently its a flat breakpoint system but I had a look at how it works and you can make a conditional system too. Not sure why they didn't.
signal citrus
thats reference counting, its different'
mild basin
I think that's shared_ptr for reference counting.
quick thorn
@fathom wadi Ohh, sounds really useful, feel free to keep us updated as I'm sure it'll be useful
there's also issues with the material shader if statement node in that it doesn't seem to branch cull properly
fathom wadi
well its useful in Visual Studio, its absolutely useful in UE4. It just needs to be done right for a PR or a plugin. But im not working right now. Just toying with things ๐
signal citrus
unique pointer is like a shared pointer that can't be passed around, so yeah i guess its technically not counting
quick thorn
@fathom wadi fair enough I'm a technical lighting and environment artist, so I know enough C++ to do what I need, which is maybe low end moderate, and doing that is probably beyond my skill atm, but definitely interested if you end up woth6a final product!
have a good night, triple mocha!
fathom wadi
well I have all the code tagged in my VS for when I need to do it, but with the current situation, working from home with 5 kids is lunacy
im freaking out too much too. My mind is all over the place. Could use the rest instead of writing bad code and making myself feel stupid
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I'm fried right now.
Happy to get some stuff done around the house, veg out on Archer reruns and DS9 and not go on a murderous rampage. That's a win of a day right now.
fathom wadi
I've been watching djvlad videos on youtube all day. But its 5.15am and I should probably sleep.
signal citrus
You don't normally work from hom marc?
plucky pagoda
I did get a controller and the basic skeleton done for that project
fathom wadi
Yeah but the kids are usually at school
signal citrus
aye
fathom wadi
Ill find some time soon, when my wife kicks me out
signal citrus
it'll be fine, everyone is at their nerves now
plucky pagoda
I'm finding that lemming thing kind of relaxing to make. It has an old school feel to the way I'm structuring it as far as the work of making it goes.
quick thorn
@fathom wadi I feel that things are crazy rn, I've had a difficult time focusing the past week myself. (hence why I'm chatting here and not working on stuff XD)
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_kGtQmvrVI Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr James Earl Jones.
and I truly am off to bed now. But what a goddamn fantastic actor that man is.
quick thorn
welcome to the dark side
north torrent
I just realized the US is totally sold out of Nintendo Switch consoles.
carmine frigate
played world war Z yesterday
the lighting is kinda bad, like its in unlit debug or something ๐
only played it like 40 min with a friend or something, mayB should have tweaked the settings a lil
overall its kinda not good, but its still pretty fun to play
median wraith
@carmine frigate by the way, yesterday I mean the scene you made that was like a floor with physics things over it ? ๐ค
carmine frigate
must be wrong person?
median wraith
Well I don't mind the graphics are decent on World War Z, I couldn't make it any better, but the game overall its bad
@carmine frigate you had itch page ?
๐ค
could be not sure now
median wraith
na but what I mean its like from last year or so
can you post the itch page or sent me ?
carmine frigate
pearl elk
whats wrong with WWZ I thought its a pretty fun game
carmine frigate
yea i had some fun with wwz, looked like it was a skylight only or something tho
pearl elk
well it doesnt really have much darkness overall, its not really the style of game it is
the only dark bits are indoors which is only bits and pieces
pearl elk
I think its a refreshing change for a zombie game
its not always dark and dank
I really thought the weapons felt good and the player classes
I had to submit a ticket for Doom, keeps logging me out of the server then when I load the game it spends ages reconnecting, yay for SP
pearl elk
nope, you have to be logged in for XP in SP and every time I reload a checkpoint it wants to reconnect me
I could deal with that but then when youre ingame it shunts you back to the menu randomly to tell you its disconnected
because why it couldnt do this shit in the background without messing with the game I dunno
Ive had issues with Bethesda servers for awhile now, theyre just super slow, theyre probably no where near Australia and they have a short timeout so I get booted alot
tough sierra
World war z? I thought they did a lot of decent work on it though for the most part it's a clone under a semi different theme.
Oh yeah not tried the new doom.
I'm kind of sad the multiplayer in doom 2016 didn't catch on.
Would be really fun with custom maps.
I've a feeling that most people doing fps multiplayer anymore do so in openworld maps, which require a lot of players anyway, I prefer arena styled maps since am too blind to play the openworld ones decently.
pearl elk
Yeah WWZ is a pretty obvious clone of L4D but they did well to expand on it. The mounds of zombies is very cool n fun
Doom Eternal looks bit better to me, its more in the themes, it has more variety where 2016 was more Mars n Hell
Runs so smooth though even with heaps of demons coming at you
north torrent
I just did a yoga.
tulip orbit
I just did a nap
north torrent
Was it eventful?
tulip orbit
non-eventful. nice short nap tho
north torrent
Damn, it is almost April...
zinc matrix
Fool
north torrent
I have to start my serious game developer schedule in April.
tulip orbit
uh oh
north torrent
I might have to cut back on whisky...
tulip orbit
naw, just integrate that into your schedule
primal spoke
I have to start my serious game developer schedule in April.
@north torrent look out, we got a badass over here.
north torrent
Do you schedule your whisky time, Mr. Ball?
primal spoke
no, I'm not so much of a big drinker that I need to set time out of the day.
north torrent
One of those bands that plays 80 rock music, but because they wear cowboy hats and have an accent it is labeled as 'country music' even though it shares no musical commonality with country music.
primal spoke
Also, I'm a functioning inebriated person.
north torrent
I'm a functioning alcoholic, but I think that means a different thing.
primal spoke
Yeah, I'm not an alcoholic.
tulip orbit
I'm a non-functioning non-alchoholic
primal spoke
I can just function really well after having lots of drinks.
pearl elk
Dont tell my heart my achy breaky heart
north torrent
I have almost zero addictive tendencies.
primal spoke
I just don't think it understands.
north torrent
Runs in my family.
primal spoke
alcoholism is an addiction, a big one.
tulip orbit
I'm attempting to kick an addiction right now, is rough
north torrent
I'm not the least bit addicted to alcohol. I just drink a lot some times, and not at all for long periods in between.
It is more procrastination juice for me.
primal spoke
I refuse to get addicted to any drugs/alcohol.
tulip orbit
I miss the flavour of alchohol
primal spoke
grew up around addiction and saw what addiction does to humans.
tulip orbit
a nice beer is hard to beat
north torrent
I bet if I took something super hardcore I could get addicted, but I'm not going to try.
primal spoke
I know people who have tried hard stuff and did not get addicted.
north torrent
Addictive tendencies are in a lot of ways, not all ways, genetic.
If alcoholism runs in your family it is very good to stay away.
deep glen
everything is addictive, its why we become who we are, because thoughts,actions, and behavior is all addictive.
primal spoke
smokin rocks is a bad addiction tho.
north torrent
Well, I was more speaking of chemical addiction as opposed to just wanting to do something because it is fun or pleasant.
deep glen
thoughts are also chemicals :p
north torrent
I've never touched any drug that nature didn't provide.
primal spoke
synthetic stuff is the worst.
deep glen
its why its so hard to get rid of i.e. depression
north torrent
Costco Pizza is also chemicals.
primal spoke
food cures depression.
temporarily.
In my case.
You just have to keep eating good food.
north torrent
I had to deal with that stuff when I was younger, but I eventually got over it.
I've only been eating soup and stew lately... because of quarantine and all.
primal spoke
Im thinking about getting Red Dead redemption 2.
pearl elk
Processed sugar is the devil
deep glen
there was a report about how much the sugar companies paid health-care servicesand researches to point at fat for being the problem sugar caused.
north torrent
I will eat the devil, Mr. Olympus.
primal spoke
The end credits of all those games make me sad as a game dev.
north torrent
You don't want to get lost in a sea of 1,000 people?
primal spoke
no
looking at all those professional and talented people putting all that time in to make something great.
and the cost of those people.
pearl elk
What makes me sad is companies who bloat their credits with publisher credits
primal spoke
its like not being part of the club, ya know.
north torrent
The credits for my game just have my name 26 times...
pearl elk
Dont forget to thank Strauss Zelnick
primal spoke
So hard to find talented and professional people to work on a game for months/years unless you have serious dough.
north torrent
Well, maybe when those Starbucks stocks go back up...
primal spoke
sold it.
pearl elk
Captain Starbucks Adventure
north torrent
I bet the markets are going to be down huge when they open again...
I forget what time it is over there... maybe that has already happened...
primal spoke
shouldn't be, imo.
zinc matrix
im no allowed to ask questions multiple times if nobody replies?
primal spoke
dm everyone in chat.
north torrent
Good thing I don't use the stock market to make my money... I would be broke right now.
primal spoke
jk, don't do that.
pearl elk
Theyre calling it a bull market but its more like people with money are buying
deep glen
@zinc matrix no, need to wait at least an hour or more
zinc matrix
btw. ive heard cryengine/lumbyard runs with more fps then ue
primal spoke
i need to see how game pubs are doing.
north torrent
I wish there was a Red Dead Redemption 2 without all the shoot shoot murdering people to death...
deep glen
that really depends on the users, not the engines.
pearl elk
Green Field Redemption
primal spoke
if you press play in an empty level and you get higher FPS?
north torrent
I am sure an empty level in UE is probably one of the most expensive of the engines open to the general public.
primal spoke
I take that back, because it depends on settings in the engine as well.
north torrent
I haven't used Cryengine in a while though, so I may be dead wrong. But Unity seems pretty bare bones when you open up an empty level.
primal spoke
yeah, but you can change stuff to make it more lightweight.
north torrent
Unreal just by default has more lighting stuff turned on.
primal spoke
afk
zinc matrix
If you recreate the same scene with exact same assets in cryengine you'd probably still have something around or above 120 fps even with dynamic lighting and really far shadow casting range.
compared with 40 fps in ue4
pearl elk
UE4 by default has alot of post process enabled
north torrent
Can I have some of whatever funny juice you are drinking, Mr. Velcro?
north torrent
The thing that disappointed me the most about Red Dead Redemption 2 is that they put a lot of time into making these small emersion things for you to do... but nobody really stopped and asked, 'are these things fun to do?' or 'can we work these into the general gameplay?'
So in the end it just seems like busy work..
primal spoke
back
north torrent
Did you bring me coffee?
primal spoke
I have only one cup.
pearl elk
You mean physically accurate horse scrotums arnt worthwhile?
north torrent
They would be if it was somehow part of gameplay.
pearl elk
Lol you wanna play with scrotums?
zinc matrix
guess how much fps i get when making landscape visible.
without landscape it's 120 fps
with its 50 fps
gtx 970
-.-
north torrent
Maybe you could breed horses and have a whole side mechanic in the game about being a successful horse breeder...
primal spoke
tweak engine settings.
zinc matrix
what ar engine settings lol
pearl elk
People wonder why I dont like using landscape
primal spoke
yeah, meshes are generally more efficient.
deep glen
depends, landscapes only have 3 colors for each vert, meshes have 4 (alpha channel)
so when used wisely, a terrain can be cheaper
zinc matrix
im sure i am using the terrain wisely https://i.imgur.com/njISTM8.jpg ๐
deep glen
or was that old udk knowledge, iunno anymore
north torrent
I figure people just need to update their hardware if the fps dips.
zinc matrix
this landscape steals me 70 fps lol
@north torrent you cant assume that from a player of your game
north torrent
I can.
pearl elk
Landscape does need some work, its an old part of the engine, been in since UE2
novel latch
somebody please make a guideline how to use unreal engines landscape layers and what kind of automaterial is okay
deep glen
i figure people first need to do research and study to apply knowledge so their performance wont be bottlenecked
@pearl elk 2.5
2.0 did not have landscape
pearl elk
I wish there was some sort of memory management for landscapes, it doesnt promote optimisation
primal spoke
I assume mao was joking.
pearl elk
It lets people add texture sets till your gpu crashes out, not good
primal spoke
You can kill FPS from one spawner.
north torrent
Not as much a joke, but the fact that I don't need to sell my game.
novel latch
btw, landmass is pretty cool
primal spoke
or a stupid high poly model.
north torrent
Megascans.
primal spoke
with 0 LODs
north torrent
Yes.
pearl elk
There are things like texture size limits, bone limits etc
deep glen
and tesselation
novel latch
tesselation on landscapes in unreal ๐
primal spoke
how about 4K textures on individual Bolts.
deep glen
tesselation AND pom because double the effort
zinc matrix
i dont do anything what you mention oO
pearl elk
Yeah well, this is why artists need a good clip around the ear hole every so often
Good games not need to be 1:1 to life
north torrent
Why not?
soft night
good games can be 256:1
pearl elk
Lifes overrated its why we play games :)
novel latch
I like my games on 16:9
pearl elk
Like for instance in FPS, I always have artists telling me how the hands and feet need to line up perfectly with the rungs... most FPS games, dont give anf
primal spoke
it depends on the game tho, tbh
and intelligent attention to detail is very good IMO.
north torrent
I'm pretty sure games where the hands and feet don't line up with the rungs is what cause the fires in Australia...
pearl elk
Its as nice bonus feature if you can do it, if its not relevant no gamer will even notice
north torrent
That's what caused the corona-virus.
pearl elk
Lvl 100 golden toilet paper
north torrent
I'm watching a video about a goose named Larry...
north torrent
The First of Us?
pearl elk
The Second of Them
primal spoke
man, i hate my internet, if I download RD2 now it will be done tomorrow!
north torrent
It is huge...
primal spoke
I'll lose interest by then
north torrent
Took me about 12 hours...
carmine frigate
i stopped playing it after 20 booring hours of playtime
primal spoke
its boring?
carmine frigate
I was so done with that game
north torrent
I think I played about 60 hours.
pearl elk
Open World
north torrent
It does have some boring parts where you shoot shoot people for half an hour in a row.
pearl elk
Skin a rabbit use it as loin cloth
carmine frigate
the autowalk of the horse just stops on every corner to do a camerapan of the scenery
carmine frigate
and there is a lot of horse walking and a lot of corners
north torrent
Have you ever thought about buying a goose, Mr. Ball?
pearl elk
Mosey on down to that creek there
carmine frigate
allways some guy riding next to you trying to talk you too sleep
pearl elk
Well howdy there partner
primal spoke
are they good, good as in peers have deemed them so?
pearl elk
Store pages now have critic ratings
tulip orbit
yay "Heavy snow will begin this evening, with total accumulations of 10 to 15 cm possible by Tuesday morning."
north torrent
Some of them are very well rated games, some I have never heard of.
primal spoke
lol, I thought you meant you made 30 free games!
north torrent
No, games I got for free on the Epic Games store.
north torrent
I have a free game somewhere I can send you, if you like playing pool.
primal spoke
I'm sure its great.
north torrent
It isn't very good...
But I got bored of working with the physics of the pool balls.
They always bounced off the table.
north torrent
It isn't.
It was kind of funny though, watching the player get smashed by pool balls.
deep glen
not free, but I highly suggest ori and the will of the wisps
north torrent
I have that on Steam. Haven't played it yet.
tulip orbit
I want that
plucky pagoda
It's on Xbox game pass for PC and console
deep glen
steam iirc
plucky pagoda
Looks amazing at 4k
north torrent
Have you ever made a radial menu in UMG, Mr. Slivinski?
plucky pagoda
Not from scratch. There's a free example project for it though and another that was one of the monthly freebies
north torrent
I have it somewhere... As well as 2 I paid for.
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix hey, what happened?
pearl elk
I have Control, good game
primal spoke
serious development question incoming.
What would I use for storing realtime data for a Strategy game like similar to Tropico 6?
Would data tables work? I'm just really flummoxed about how to have so much data driving so much activity in an efficient way.
median wraith
Well the base of the game is that, I imagine can be stored in real-time at the game mode or something
Structs?
primal spoke
Stucts in BP or C++?
median wraith
It matters? In c++ you can have better performance if you manage it but it's relative
If there are millions of data inputs then it's better to store in a save file and load only needed
primal spoke
Do you know of any games like this that has released source code, i.e, sims, cities skylines, tropico, etc?
pearl elk
what real-time data are we talking about?
primal spoke
I saw somewhere Cities was opensource.
median wraith
No clue
pearl elk
I cant answer without knowing specifically what data sorry
primal spoke
think sims, or tropico or other large simulators.
pearl elk
yes I know the games but they are all different
primal spoke
how is that data managed?
pearl elk
data is all managed according to its type
without knowing what type of data, its abit difficult without generalising which is hardly optimal
median wraith
Yeah Sims it's different from the real time Sims and these from world turn based
pearl elk
storing just where the roads and buildings are located is fairly simple
primal spoke
IDK how they connect so much stuff in a data driven way?
It feels like everything in these games can modify data on every system.
pearl elk
Cities Skylines has fluid dynamics though so different type of data
primal spoke
Do you know where Cities Skylines source is?
pearl elk
but its probably all linked to their grid no doubt to make performance better
primal spoke
I just feel like there is a system of development I'm not aware of.
There are lots of games like this, but IDK where to start from the system design perspective.
pearl elk
so where do we start, does your game have a grid?
pearl elk
well maybe start there then ๐ pick one
pearl elk
its about the type of game you want to make, you make a system for a game
a system without a game wont be useful
primal spoke
I mentioned Tropico 6 like 5 times.
carmine frigate
SC2000 has an OS version
primal spoke
There things like, food, healthcare, happiness, liberty, and a million other modifiers.
pearl elk
yeah see not everyone has played Tropico 6
primal spoke
Grand Ages medieval.
pearl elk
this is why I always tell people to refer to other games as little as possible in design docs and if you do specifically point out what it is you want to replicate
carmine frigate
i played transport tycoon 2
north torrent
Healthcare? What is that?
pearl elk
Frostpunk has a radial grid
primal spoke
There are universal principles in programming.
For example, data driven design is one.
pearl elk
making a generic system is harder than making a specific one
primal spoke
But I don't think that by itself is enough.
pearl elk
and every generic system comes from first making something specific
primal spoke
Has a vs. is a design.
pearl elk
trust me I do data driven design as a priority ๐
primal spoke
composition over inheritance to be exact.
But just knowing DDD won't design the system.
It optimizes data access only.
pearl elk
exactly you need a game to design the system for, you need the data
otherwise you'll try to make something which supports all types and it'll end up a Frankenstein monster
primal spoke
I know I can just make a monolithic class that contains everything about an NPC, but IDK if that is how they did it.
pearl elk
so say you want little peeps with healthcare, then each one needs some sort of health
or maybe you dont need all the little peeps like roller coaster tycoon maybe you only need cars in a city
primal spoke
hmmm....event listeners.
I'm thinking global events to modify monolithic NPC classes.
but there has to be a better way, IMO.
Observer pattern all day long.
went off on a tangent, IK.
thinking outloud (typing)
pearl elk
trying to find a silver bullet which doesnt exist
all those games have something in common
lots of programmers and designers spend alot of time perfecting them ๐
primal spoke
right!
And that is why I would love to get my hands on the source file of one of em.
keep the assets, give me the source.
pearl elk
thing is you'll learn more by doing it yourself, not that having references is bad
but unless youre cloning one of those games exactly it'll be less useful than you think
primal spoke
A head start is definitely helpful, thats why EPIC made all those projects open.
I'm just looking for the same thing but in a specific genre of game.
pearl elk
Epic have a tower defense demo thing
tulip orbit
I know nothing
primal spoke
??
median wraith
where you took that gif ot me ?
pearl elk
I didnt know it snowed in Spain
zinc matrix
it doesn't generally, it's all localized year round around Hevedy
tulip orbit
soft night
its the new thing this week
median wraith
its actually snowing today @pearl elk
tulip orbit
snowing here too, might have 10cm by tomorrow morning
soft night
yeah it snow even in spain this week
pearl elk
so now we have to battle the virus and the army of the undead, great
soft night
it shut down everything
zinc matrix
the undead really help encourage social distancing
soft night
it swipe corona away
pearl elk
cmon Cyberpunk 2077 and Last of Us 2
soft night
undead? I drink coffee from this mug then https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB180hhadfvK1RjSspfq6zzXFXaY.jpg
soft night
who locked downloads?
median wraith
Blizzard
pearl elk
I bet Gabe drinks from a mug like that while farming in WoW
thought you said snow not blizzard
median wraith
a Blizzard of snowmans that attack Jon Snow
pearl elk
median wraith
why is jon and no John
soft night
cold what?
pearl elk
its true Hevedy is Jon Snow
median wraith
hahaha
pearl elk
King in the North of Spain
zinc matrix
been in quarantine for like 4 weeks, starting to lose track of the days ๐
people keep dying in my county but I'm staying inside away from them
soft night
i start to feel i dont care anything of it
north torrent
What is quarantine but a vacation minus the waiting in line?
zinc matrix
nah still working this whole time, game development doesn't require an office
north torrent
I still have to teach class every day, but I can start drinking right afterwards.
soft night
well i dont have great to develop things for gamedev
my other laptop started to get random 100% cpu hits
zinc matrix
ouch
north torrent
My laptop can hardly do anything... But I am just doing UMG, so I shouldn't complain.
Someday I'll get my good computer out of quarantine.
pearl elk
I should learn Niagara and Chaos
north torrent
Do it!
soft night
when want to work more and be productive but gear what i have not support it
north torrent
Make a game with grey boxes, then make lit look fancy later when you can afford a real computer.
rich quiver
north torrent
I wasn't aware it was ever not snowing in Poland...
Am I a bad man for thinking it was always snowy there?
pearl elk
I thought it was called Poland cuz its the North Pole
zinc matrix
Last winter where you could have sleigh ride where I live was probably around begin of 90's.
soft night
it supposed to snow one weekend and -20c but it wasnt
more like it was sunny
and warmer
north torrent
Damn global warming...
zinc matrix
The only day with snow this winter was at begin of march I think. And now.
It will be fun if the side effect of stopping whole countries will be winter coming back like it was before.
fathom wadi
So I goto the shop. No gloves being used by the counter staff. I ask if they have been given them yet and the stupid fuck said "yeah but they are too small". All the while little old ladies are queuing up for necessities and being fostered into the grave by these corporate arseholes.
primal spoke
goto
fathom wadi
Then to top it all off, one of my "hippy" friends said she would rather get the virus than a vaccine, and she has Hashimotos and just recovered from cancer. I mean.... half the world are complete morons.
pearl elk
chemtrails everywhere
fathom wadi
not anymore. No flights :p
primal spoke
rather get the virus than a vaccine?
fathom wadi
chemtrails are real. What is in them is up for debate tho
fathom wadi
yeah she always spams me with Natural News articles that are complete tosh
pearl elk
tulip orbit
she sounds like she shouldnt be your friend
pearl elk
does she charge her arse batteries daily?
fathom wadi
@pearl elk governments admitted they geo-engineer now. Like I said, its about what is in the trails that is under scrutinization now
@tulip orbit She is a good person by nature. I like good people. I have nothing against stupid people per se, but when they call me stupid as a counter, Im not sure I should be
primal spoke
@pearl elk some folks in #cpp said I had to store the data in the character or controller of my NPCs, btw.
soft night
Data deploy with Borgs
pearl elk
but no match for Geordi La Forge
north torrent
Honestly, if the staff at a grocery store are wearing gloves it is going to protect them but make it even more likely that customers get germs from them.
Gloves hold germs just as well as hands, but people don't wash their gloves like they do their hands.
To protect customers it makes much more sense to have the staff wash their hands every hour instead.
pearl elk
Im using the self serve checkouts cuz theyre being wiped after every use
primal spoke
They should be disinfecting every hour with gloves on IMO
Thats how CVS was doing it.
pearl elk
you dont really touch em anyway, I just dont want rando counter folk touching my stuff
primal spoke
I normally use self checkout with gloves on at Kroger.
north torrent
I wouldn't go to a cashier if said cashier is wearing cloves. Even without the maga-virus.
Having a cashier wear gloves and touch someone else's raw meat, and then put his or her hands all over my food... not cool...
primal spoke
I then store the gloves and will resuse them later.
You know that stuff is on the belt also?
pearl elk
I wouldnt be surprised if this virus thing changes the way we do things alittle, more cashless, less signing unless its really needed
primal spoke
they need to be disinfect periodically.
mons.
lots of people will not be getting their jobs back, IMO.
north torrent
Never going to disinfect the whole world though.
primal spoke
Companies are already choosing their words carefully.
pearl elk
lots of people were on their way out anyways with automation, just an excuse for companies to do it legally
north torrent
Companies like Walmart are some of the few places still 100% staffed right now.
primal spoke
"Once this covid- 19 thing ends, we will start to bring back people
not we're bringing back everyone
pearl elk
the world really needs a rejig so maybe this will be the catalyst
north torrent
They are offering Walmart employees overtime if they are willing to work more that 40 hour a week. Something that has historically been the biggest crime ever at Walmart.
primal spoke
they will test their staffing levels first and won't bring people back if not needed.
fathom wadi
@north torrent thats why you have disinfectant for the gloves and replace them as needed
primal spoke
virus cannot get under nails in gloves, also.
fathom wadi
when that old lady left the store I was thinking "wow she's brave" but when I saw the counter guy with no gloves, I'm thinking "wow shes dead"
north torrent
If you are afraid to touch my food with your hands, then I shouldn't be shopping at this store.
pearl elk
virus can get into jails
primal spoke
nails
soft night
knuckles
primal spoke
๐
pearl elk
let loose the dogs of war
north torrent
I just hope when the world returns to normal, that people remember who the 'essential' workers were during this epidemic and don't go back to treating them like shit. (not that they ever stopped...)
primal spoke
US working on hazard pay for meds.
pearl elk
game designers are clearly essential ๐
primal spoke
not at all.
pearl elk
Twitter
primal spoke
Im essential.
north torrent
I don't mind seeing the corrupt system fall.
It has been building unsustainably since the 1980s, and everyone is just trying to squeak 1 more week of profits out of it before it all collapses.
The world needs to go on a diet.
pearl elk
oil prices are good for a change
north torrent
The sooner that industry implodes the better.
primal spoke
Could you imagine if there was an oil crisis right now?!
Holy smokes...that would be really bad.
north torrent
Hopefully Saudi Arabia and Russia keep playing this game until every oil company dies off.
The only oil crisis right now is that there is way too much oil and Saudi Arabia and Russia are willing to sell it so cheap that nobody is making money off of it.
This stuff makes me happy to watch.
primal spoke
I used to rent a house in the oil patch back during the boom...good times.
primal spoke
@north torrent what is your fav burger spot in US?
north torrent
That depends on the price point. Do you mean like a daily kind of place I eat at constantly, or the place where I would pay more for the best burger?
north torrent
My favorite burger ever is from a local place that only has 2 shops...
But as far as chains go, I would say Red Robin.
primal spoke
Red Robin is expensive for burgers.
You're a classy burger guy.
You walk in and have people bring you your burgers and tip.
north torrent
Depends on what you order. They have plenty of $7 burgers that come with unlimited fries.
signal citrus
Eat the rich, burgers
north torrent
I order online and pick it up, then take it home with me. Don't have to tip.
signal citrus
Right Mao?
north torrent
I also never order soda, which places like that overcharge for.
primal spoke
whattaburger all day.
north torrent
I do eat Whataburger, which costs me more than Red Robin.
primal spoke
ironically.
north torrent
Green chili double or Whataburger patty melt.
signal citrus
Ever had twisters?
north torrent
I like buffalo burgers when I can get it. Not very common in Arizona.
primal spoke
never heard of twisters. I go for the A1 thick and hearty
north torrent
My life goal is to eat a yak burger...
primal spoke
when available.
signal citrus
The polo loco in breaking bad are twisters locations
fathom wadi
@north torrent I never drink soda anymore. I used to drink it everyday. Now I can't stand it.
signal citrus
Twisters is a chain in abq
primal spoke
Someone told me about Dr. Pepper creamsoda.
north torrent
I only drink soda when I need to pair something with my vodka...
primal spoke
I broke and got some.
fathom wadi
Twister is a complex jiu-jitsu move that looks insane ๐
signal citrus
Very good breakfast burritos
primal spoke
I drank a rum and Dr.Pepper creamsoda the other day.
north torrent
Did you die?
primal spoke
of course.
north torrent
I never got my Australian cream soda I ordered...
primal spoke
ordered from Amazon?
north torrent
Tao Bao.
primal spoke
they bout to strike in some places I hear.
north torrent
I want to go to Xizang and try to find a Yak burger...
Though I hear a lot of people there are vegetarians... not sure how much luck I will have.
But that's where most of the world's yaks live...
pearl elk
if you really want Australian cream soda though get a Sodastream and use Sodaking flavour
primal spoke
crack'em just a little bit to let the air out.
pearl elk
north torrent
Weird background... not sure what is up with that...
pearl elk
its yak pattern
north torrent
I want a yak burger with yak cheese...
carmine frigate
i would totally ride that thing to work
pearl elk
looks really reliable, no more "my yak wouldnt start"
fathom wadi
pearl elk
signal citrus
Power jacket
pearl elk
power frogurt
alpine fern
late night
imma steal that
deep glen
I so hope I get to be alive when thinking = gamedev without additional tools :p
carmine frigate
hmm i sometimes have problems making sentences, how they gunna handle that crap ๐
soft night
Allar2020
fathom wadi
If im brutally honest right now, imagine me with this gear attached. People would genuinely avoid me more than usual.
primal spoke
anyone in here from or in India?
fathom wadi
I have a dev friend in India atm. You looking for a hook up? :p
primal spoke
Have you checked in on em?
fathom wadi
yeah
primal spoke
the images and scenes out of india are looking rough, to say the least.
fathom wadi
thats a normal day what you on about? ๐
fathom wadi
I dunno. Media spins things. Im gonna check it out
primal spoke
true, thats why I was trying to see if there was someone in here from there.
fathom wadi
ahh its just people going home
carmine frigate
if you wait 3 days the road is empty ๐
primal spoke
mass migration yes, but zero order.
zero coordination.
supposedly there are food shortages.
Everyone trying to get back to their villages.
fathom wadi
In the scheme of things, India will deal with better than we will. They eradicated polio in the most dramatic way possible, by going town to town and flushing it out
fathom wadi
to be fair, NY is a hub city. Some places in india are too, but it doesnt mean the entire country will be bad.
they actually have really low numbers on infection there too
zinc matrix
Is this the real unreal engine server ?
primal spoke
I wonder if the whole 4-6 hours notice thing is real
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix Nope its a cardboard cutout. The real one is over there --->
zinc matrix
?
median wraith
a lot of these were recorded here
fathom wadi
what fake towns?
median wraith
@fathom wadi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Hollywood
fathom wadi
nice
primal spoke
IDK man, I think there may be some serious civil unrest coming down the pipe in India soon
fathom wadi
i guess there will be everywhere when push comes to shove. I have faith they will be ok. Optimism never cured anything tho
speaking of which, think I have it. got a cough, lungs tightening up. Kinda worried as im immuno-compromised. So if I die, someone finish my half arsed prototypes cheers (on and sue the local Co-op store as thats the only place I've been)
tough sierra
It'd be impossible to game dev from mere thought not because of technology
Commenting about the above stuff.
But we don't often know or think out the rules of the things we are working on until we actually work on it.
Now that aside.
It's totally possible to use your computer entirely from thought I'd bet ^-^
fathom wadi
you can speed it up tho
tough sierra
Of course.
And i'm totally behind this getting more mainstream.
Glad people are getting excited about it.
fathom wadi
What really freaks me out though is its a wireless tech, which means brainjacking will be a thing. Neuromancer for real.
tough sierra
Though it is actually possible to capture videos from people's thoughts, would make it intereting to gather concept art and stories from.
The devices don't give input to the brain they only take it.
It's one way.
tough sierra
You can't control someone however you may be able to perhaps steal info.
fathom wadi
cmon now governments would have chips in those devices in a new york minute
I want to use it for this.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorm_(1983_film)
tough sierra
That's not exactly how it works, they might provoke companies to leave back doors though but it won't be a drag net at least not for a very long time.
You ever seen ghost in the shell? That I think would be a pretty cool outcome.
fathom wadi
No never heard of it. Sounds like some kind of anime about a rogue AI or something
tough sierra
Not exactly.
It's an anima though based off a very old manga series, and it's actually pretty intellectual.
Ghost in the shell: sac season one.
fathom wadi
yeah I know I was being fecetious
tough sierra
If anything it pioneered a lot of concepts we talk about anymore.
fathom wadi
yeah like robot tanks and photo-concealment
Until they invent this, im not impressed with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlJ8eTuFe9U
tough sierra
Philosophical things, the internet actually, and cyborg tech getting very common and advanced, along with brain cases, brains stored in an electronic casing to communicate with the internet by thought alone.
The manga focused on the tech itself and was very ahead of it's time, the anima series was more focused on how the tech impacted culture and all it's pros/cons with society and individuals.
I'm not exactly an anima nut but for stuff like this I'll make an exception.
fathom wadi
Yeah and they stole it all from other authors. I dont like anime, but I do like that one. William Gibson should have credits in the anime tho
tough sierra
Oh wow your already ahead of me it seems.
fathom wadi
aye im 43 and a nerd. ๐
tough sierra
Detecting sarcasm has always been a weakness of mine >.<
fathom wadi
yeah text is often my biggest enemy. I will say though, if you heard me in real life, you would have also seen my evil grin face when I said it :p
tough sierra
Would like to get ma to watch it since she's not explored the question of if a mind needs a body. Or at least a human conventional one.
fathom wadi
I believe consciousness is a construct of the physical reality we live in. When we die, I like to think we reset. Get rid of all the trashloot we picked up in the form of human knowledge, and become what we are supposed to be. Free energy flowing through the veins of the universe.
fathom wadi
the idea of going back to Gaea is my kind of afterlife tbh
tough sierra
I can understand that.
fathom wadi
it would be horrible if reincarnation was real. Imagine dying from Covid-19 and coming back as someone else who dies from it. That would kind of piss you off a little ๐
fathom wadi
Imagine living life fearing every action you do will reincarnate you as someone or something worse. Seems like a terrible way to live in fear.
olive sinew
anyone got some game ideas?
fathom wadi
lots. what genre?
fathom wadi
ok a turn based game called "Shopping in 2020"
vocal vapor
Man with gun go shoot.
olive sinew
i have made shooters for 5 years
im done with them
Lmao ill make a covid shopper sim
fathom wadi
A VR game called "I hope you're gonna wipe those controllers afterwards"
tough sierra
LOL
fathom wadi
I do but im not using it atm. How about a new sports game based on that movie about the Robot fighters.
Real Steel
tough sierra
So boxing but reskinned ๐
olive sinew
Oh shit i remember real steel
fathom wadi
yeah pretty much
but you can have an upgrade system and MTX etc
so its ripe for the pickings
tough sierra
Actually not a bad idea.
That's actually pretty unique.
This is why i want a game designer ;-;
I... have... No heart or soul in my designs anymore.
fathom wadi
I want to be retired. Still trying to make the money to do so though ๐
deep glen
fathom wadi
It's almost like I wrote that
solar nebula
How are fake news websites more on the pulse of modern times than mainstream media
fathom wadi
because the world is one hell of an ass backward place
We should be living amongst the stars now. Instead, we are wiping our arses reluctantly.
neon iris
This one is more amusing https://www.theonion.com
mild root
We live among stars, for sure. The closest one is the sun
@fathom wadi
Or do you want to live nearby other star
There may be no potato chips and beer there
In sufficient amounts
fathom wadi
@mild root I mean the Hollywood Hills. Seriously though... we should be inhabiting other planets by now. We could have the tech if we focused on it.
mild root
Exoplanet studies show that most of exoplanets are hell worlds where no human can survive
So until we invent warp drive, we won'be able to discover earth like planets in sensible amount of time
fathom wadi
we send androids first to terraform
mild root
We can't terraform earth yet
fathom wadi
we have been geo-engineering for a long time now. But you miss my point. If we focused on it, we could do it.
fathom wadi
Perhaps it takes more than a human lifetime to do so. We don't really know yet. We haven't focused on it enough. I have no doubt it will happen, but I want it to be in my lifetime, or at least upload my brain so I can see it when it happens.
its always been the major reason I wanted to live forever. I love the idea of tech of the future
mild root
Imagine, you die and the next day humanity achieved immortality
mild root
No, you might survive if you had healthier lifestyle
fathom wadi
healthier lifestyles in the middle of a pandemic seems like pissing in the wind to me :p
mild root
Depends on the direction you are facing to
fathom wadi
Saw this in a Blender group.
solid aurora
median wraith
Thanks I didn't bought that
stiff crystal
So boxing but reskinned ๐
so... One Must Fall ๐ค
altho it wasn't all boxing
also, what's wrong about MW reboot?
not going to watch the video
I mean the original was probably the best COD game made
so would assume the redone version wouldn't be that bad
free 2 play Warzone is pretty well done
agile egret
@everyone Until June 30th, 2020 the ACM Digital Library will have it's paywall removed. If you're interested in viewing articles, here's a link to the library. https://dl.acm.org/
soft night
warzone have serverlag currently
fathom wadi
Ironically, im adding a paywall soon. $25 to receive quality conversation from an opinionated arsehole. Free opinion on Coronavirus with first purchase.
soft night
like cod mw servers got traffic too much to handle thelag
stiff crystal
woot @agile egret
well, I think I have acceess to that already
but cool still ๐
at least I think I used to have access through uni account to those papers
median wraith
@stiff crystal basically the original in PC have a lot of players, despite have 13 years, the remaster that was included in infinite warfare is basically dead and filled with extra loot crap boxes etc
And this one, have a complete lack of content, isn't alike the Cod4 original but some frankestein made from ideas of every 3 modern warfare games, the war one map is a copy paste from all the multi-player and coop maps
The video spot for example the mode they promoted and the only you get its 1 single map for the whole coop mode that isn't bigger than shipment of nuketown
A joke for the end users
fathom wadi
Didn't people realise COD was shit years ago? I mean, everyone still says the original MW was the last decent one right?
median wraith
I set my bets on bo1 but yeah correct
The growth of companies and the money curve never ends
fathom wadi
amazing eh
median wraith
You have big expectations of me
fathom wadi
confidence, but I was joking anyway. I wouldn't commit you to a job working in AAA, what am I? a sadist?
median wraith
High caliber team, means them all have an sniper rifle at least?
Lol
Tbh at this point what you think is better?
Cause I don't listen good exp from real small companies anyway
wraith magnet
big companies usually require experience for you to apply anyway
fathom wadi
I dunno dude. Strange times.
wraith magnet
like, years of experience
most require a degree too
fathom wadi
hevedy has been doing this for years tho
median wraith
@wraith magnet Dont think it's a problem right now?
stiff crystal
Didn't people realise COD was shit years ago? I mean, everyone still says the original MW was the last decent one right?
I dunno about this
COD: WaW was awesome
also first black ops
fathom wadi
awesome I forgot about black ops. Think im going strange in my old age
stiff crystal
but sure those are like decade old games now
I don't really like the monetization crap on newer ones tho
wraith magnet
eh, I wouldn't say a problem, but you could 100% work for a smaller company and that would count towards experience if you ever want to join a bigger studio @median wraith
stiff crystal
but I've kinda avoided newer CODs as they are absurdly expensive games + have MTX
fathom wadi
same shit, different shaders if you ask me
stiff crystal
IMO you shouldn't have both a price tag + mtx
wraith magnet
usually they just say "experience in company working as x for min. of y years" and ask for a portfolio
stiff crystal
either do true f2p or ask money upfront
fathom wadi
yeah I agree with that
stiff crystal
I used to be way more against mtx in past
but world is going in direction where they make decent living harder every day
fathom wadi
The Path of Exile model suits me as a gamer. Tonnes of MTX, but no requirement. How it should be
stiff crystal
so kinda have to sell your morale and ethics values
fathom wadi
never. I dont need money that badly
stiff crystal
have anyone else noticed that the more we've gone toward games as service crap, less we get headlines on games piracy?
there is connection to that
fathom wadi
if I did need money that badly, I'd pimp myself to old ladies for inheritance cash
stiff crystal
heh
yeah, I'm kinda on the fence on this one
if you do decent mtx, it lets you keep the game in development and market longer
median wraith
@wraith magnet I mean, that I worked already some months for a small company and I was using UE4 since about 6 years ago with released things
stiff crystal
as it makes sense to maintain the product
if you sell the product (game) as is, you are likely to get more sales when you launch and less on longtail
wraith magnet
youve probably heard this to death but, Witcher 3 model is a great example of how it should be
stiff crystal
there's very little motivation to maintain the product if there's no new money flowing it for it
wraith magnet
make a good game, you'll make millions
make good dlc, you'll make more millions
fathom wadi
yeah Ubisoft ditch their decent games because of bad MTX sales sometimes. Its stupid but business
stiff crystal
that's how things were in the good old times
stiff crystal
yeah, I used to buy "full" games 2 decades ago
now it's really rare that you even find games that are complete on launch day
wraith magnet
complete, or stable
stiff crystal
well, games were patched in the old days too
median wraith
@wraith magnet what old games and times?
fathom wadi
Even the Division 2 expansion, they just gouged us for, was a buggy piece of shit that broke the game entirely. GG Massive/Ubisoft.
stiff crystal
in a way, I think games are more stable now than they were few decades ago
I mean, games used to be super buggy
now every publisher has actual QA team
wraith magnet
im only 24 but I sound like im 40 lol "why back in my day we got full games for full-price"
fathom wadi
24? Ive underwear older than that
stiff crystal
yeah, I'm closer to that 40 :p
fathom wadi
I was 43 when I died of Coronavirus
wraith magnet
sure every publisher and AAA dev has a QA team
either they lie or the QA team are really just the company interns
stiff crystal
I wouldn't be that hard on QA
median wraith
@fathom wadi you won't die of coronavirus while I'm here
stiff crystal
I haven't played super buggy games in a long time
but I do remember games on my youth being close to unplayable because bugs everywhere
wraith magnet
me neither cause I've had other people play em for me before I decided to buy lol
fathom wadi
QA is two-toned. It's either interns learning their way into the industry, or it's companies who have complex software to deal with a lot of problems up front.
stiff crystal
that is unless you play any bethesda rpg and it's guaranteed to break in all directions even today
skyrim and fallouts remind me of the old gaming days
every game used to be as bugged in past
fathom wadi
@median wraith thanks dude. Think I have it though. Sniffles, persistent cough, lungs feeling like they are filling up with snot. Not good signs.
stiff crystal
maybe this is why I was never that annoyed by bethesdas bugs, got used to that crap
median wraith
@wraith magnet son there was a day when the PC games came with DLC for free ๐๐
fathom wadi
The Witcher 3 did
stiff crystal
*besides the expansions
median wraith
Na these aren't dlcs
stiff crystal
**which were downloadable content
median wraith
I mean ala cod5
median wraith
15 maps for free
stiff crystal
yeah, WaW days were good
tons of mod maps
used to play lots of those custom zombie maps on co-op
fathom wadi
I cant play world war 2 games anymore. I studied into it so much, it depresses me into dangerous levels of morbidity
stiff crystal
how do you feel about WW3?
fathom wadi
my grandad was a WW2 war hero though if anyone cares anymore. He was a skipper on a minesweeper. Makes me wonder what his wife was like ๐
wraith magnet
@median wraith bitch you tell me that like I dont know it 
fathom wadi
@stiff crystal I will never forget the terrible events of 9/12
stiff crystal
12?
fathom wadi
its a joke :p
stiff crystal
yeah, totally missed it
fathom wadi
I cant claim I wrote it. Frankie Boyle said it once and it made me chuckle
median wraith
I feel a bit bad for some kind of things spot in games and how that's a game and the 12 years old don't give a fuck about what someone actually lived and was a pain
stiff crystal
tbh, I'm kinda surprised we aren't in a big war already, considering the people at charge currently around the globe
median wraith
@wraith magnet xD
fathom wadi
We are in a big war. The info-war.
median wraith
Meh this isn't a war yet
fathom wadi
The battle for North America will begin in the mind.
wraith magnet
mark my words
median wraith
We are in the stage 1, casual mode for incompetents
wraith magnet
the next war will start with China
that's where I end my politics cause I hate politics
stiff crystal
at least now with corona news, local news outlets don't spread the fear of russians for a while
it's kinda a thing here when we live next to russia
every time they attack some small country next to them, people panic here too
fathom wadi
Someone came on the BBC today and said (paraphrasing) "Will China be dealt with after this?" and Dominic Raab smiled. As if to say "you think England can take on China? You mug"
stiff crystal
I don't say it's not justified fear
median wraith
Yeah with the virus there isn't nothing more going in the world
The violence at home in Spain just rise that the pharmacies are a nexus to ask for help
fathom wadi
I bet there is some conspiracy guy somewhere, has been talking about viral domination for decades. Now he is in his element.
wraith magnet
there's always some guy in a loony bin writing about conspiracies
median wraith
Zombie games boom was back 2010 when nazi zombies released and that, later come the series and all the crap
Is too outdated for 2020
agile egret
shit
stiff crystal
well duh, the zombie phase only starts after they start giving people corona vaccines
agile egret
corona zombies are the next big hit
agile egret
just look at some of the new shit on netflix
median wraith
No because if you make a game about coronavirus the deaths are too close in time that will be seen as an insult by the society
But if it's your grandma then is okay
primal spoke
There will be many original series and movies about all of this.
agile egret
Not literally "corona" but "virus makes zombies"
primal spoke
Someone somewhere is filming right now
agile egret
xD
median wraith
Well resident evil did it before of us
With the logo and all
Racoon city
Corona city*
stiff crystal
don't forget the umbrella in the name after translator
primal spoke
Corona beer... who wants one