That and getting any type of take out at 3am
#lounge
plucky pagoda
fathom wadi
if I had more money than I needed to live, I would only waste it on game dev.
tough sierra
I don't like the quality of a lot of plugins in the marketplace, but i'm picky about scale and optimizations.
north torrent
I've spent too much of my life having to choose between... Do I want a coat to keep me warm, or do I want to eat this week...
Or worrying if my bank card will be declined when I try to buy something.
Being in the US and living paycheck to paycheck sucks. If I never moved to China, I would be very worried about the maga-virus right now, because I never had any savings.
I would be very worried about how I'm going to pay for food and rent.
tough sierra
Can relate there somewhat.
Was bad enough I couldn't afford to spend more than 58 USD on food a month.
fathom wadi
I did that once with some family friends in Spain @plucky pagoda . The drinks in the UK are watered down, so when I hit some cheap spirits that weren't, I ended up on a 9/11 rant about the new world order and almost choked to death on my own puke, ruining their guest duvet and puking in the shower.
tough sierra
Family helped out a bit at least, and I learned how to cook from scratch.
north torrent
I'm from Arizona.
primal spoke
Arizona? I thought they have a good economy?
tough sierra
I think it has mixed results.
plucky pagoda
I was stupid in my twenties.
fathom wadi
me too. self-destructive to the max
north torrent
I made decent money, but I had to pay a lot on my school loans and other things.
primal spoke
My twenties were fine but my teens though... massive mistakes.
tough sierra
Schooling here can really fuck you up for life >.<
primal spoke
It depends
tough sierra
It does for sure, you have to know what to do.
north torrent
Your paycheck can disappear pretty quickly when they take out $400 for school loans, $400 for health insurance, $250 for car loan, $100 for insurance on said car, $800 for rent.
I only really struggled when I was younger, but even when I got past that point I was never able to make any true headway in having a large savings account.
primal spoke
The tuition of where I recieved a master's was over $50K per year
800 for rent is low.
plucky pagoda
Isn't there a starter project that has point and click to move units?
tough sierra
That much for health insurance?
fathom wadi
seems ass backwards to me. We should train those who can handle a masters for free.
north torrent
I don't live fancy, I'm a teacher.
tough sierra
Jesus I don't want to get off the gov check now.
primal spoke
400 health? That is a good plan or very little employer contribution
plucky pagoda
Marc, I'm going to have to do something for you. I've been racking my brain for days trying to decide to what to work on and this is perfect.
north torrent
I could certainly live off the money I made as a teacher in the United States.
I could slowly save money and in several years have a safety net saved back in the bank.
But I didn't see any future where I would ever have enough money to buy a home or afford to have a family, so I decided to take my chances with going somewhere else.
Didn't work out well at all for me the first year I was in China, but over time I found better opportunities, and I am pretty happy with the money I am making now.
primal spoke
Thats awesome. Im glad you're ballin now
fathom wadi
If you make a million from it, just dont spend it all on gamedev. π
plucky pagoda
yeah no worries there.
I'm a numbers and finance guy. I've already planned out how to invest a million to get 200k a year to live on for the rest of my life.
fathom wadi
I can also make a million last for the rest of my life but I live another 5 years and spend 200k a year on coke and hookers :p
primal spoke
@plucky pagoda how?
plucky pagoda
I can see that.
Stock options mostly. Cash covered puts and calls and a few other things.
fathom wadi
I call it my "Chris Farley Investment Programme"
north torrent
Before I went to China I was still using an i7-920 first generation and a GTX-750ti.
I never had the extra money to upgrade my rig, so it was 8 years old at the time, with a few changes to it.
But now I can buy the computer parts that I need to make the game I really want.
I could go buy an RTX 2080ti right now if I wanted to, but I am not going to be that trigger happy with my spending. I still have to think about long term savings.
When a 2070 does the job for a much better price, I will just stick with that for now. Hell of a lot better than an 750ti.
plucky pagoda
When my dad died I got 20k from his IRA that I split with my brother and turned it into 100k. But we needed a lot of money then and eventually I couldn't make it fast enough to keep the account with a big enough balance.
primal spoke
Amazon recurring payment 0 interest
Technically cheaper on the last payment
Because inflation
north torrent
I've been saving money into my computer fund for over a year, Mr. Ball126. I just don't want to spend it all at once.
fathom wadi
I have nothing but my balls and my word, and I don't break them for nobody.
north torrent
With the raise in pay I got after being fired, that money can go into my savings fund as well.
Maybe half into my game dev budget and half into my personal savings budget (which is much higher than the game dev budget).
primal spoke
That's awesome you have a game dev budget tho
I need to set one, I get on buying streaks sometimes
And Im like, I didn't save any money in a while.
north torrent
That's the money for computer parts, software like Zbrush and Substance, buying musical instrument libraries for my game music, buying assets like animations, and stuff like that.
I went a little bit over my music budget. I still have $300 left in my computer parts budget.
broken sigil
Upgrading my PC when I was starting out with game development and had no money was the best investment I probably ever made, my pc at the time could barely run an empty ue4 project.
Probably if I didn't upgrade my PC then I wouldn't be where I am today since I wouldn't have anything to learn and work on
kinda weird to think about
primal spoke
@broken sigil where are you today?
north torrent
I always liked the idea of investing in myself, Mr. Man.
primal spoke
Gold watches don't count mao
plucky pagoda
It's kinda weird that the turn based strategy still uses a spring arm
fathom wadi
I was using an old Radeon 8xxx card when UE4 launched. It was years old at that point. However I lucked out and won Β£1500 so I spent it on a brand new PC and got work on a VR game. Without that, Im not sure I would be here now.
broken sigil
Got a good paying job I always wanted and love π @primal spoke
north torrent
Buying my i7-920 rig back in the day put me in a financial bind, but without that rig I wouldn't know half the stuff I know now.
By the time I built my new rig though, I wasn't crunched for money.
primal spoke
In game dev?
broken sigil
yeah
north torrent
Buy stock in Mr. Man?
plucky pagoda
I've been lucky that my wife was okay with me not making money for a year or two and spending a bunch on a new computer.
north torrent
Are you publicly traded?
primal spoke
@plucky pagoda yes you are
plucky pagoda
The best thing anyone trying to work on their own can have in the US is a spouse with health insurance
primal spoke
Are you publicly traded?
@north torrent π
primal spoke
You should buy the 2080TI
64GB ram
And new CPU
IDK which?
Health insurance in the US shouldn't even be a thing
plucky pagoda
It would be a huge boon to small biz if it wasn't tied to employment
broken sigil
I was going to buy stock in Mr. Blue Man.
That would be a bad investment π
north torrent
I think there is a happy medium between being too cheap to invest in myself, and just buying things to show off...
I think an RTX 2070 and 32gb of ram is just fine for the moment.
I'll buy an RTX 3080ti, a Ryzen 4950x, and 128gb of ram as a reward to myself when I finish my game.
Then I will make a second game with that.
primal spoke
128GB ram?
plucky pagoda
It'd be nice if there was a button you could push and it added events for all the inputs you've setup in project settings to the controller
primal spoke
You rendering 4K physics sims? While watching YouTube?
pearl elk
1.21 Terabytes
north torrent
128, Why not?
Wouldn't fit my ITX motherboard though.
primal spoke
Maybe your money could be better spent elsewhere
pearl elk
yes like buying me 128GB of ram
primal spoke
Like a better case or MOBO?
north torrent
My current case is a small form factor micro-atx case, so I plan on buying a totally new case and motherboard.
tough sierra
If you shop budget parts you can spend about 500$ on a rig with good enough hardware to last you half a decade or more.
tough sierra
Absolutely.
north torrent
I am not actually planning out my next rig at the moment, as I don't know what next years products will be.
The point was, I will upgrade when I finish a game or two and have earned top notch stuff.
Until then I will stick with the more than competent 2070.
primal spoke
If you're running godot
pearl elk
RTX 3090ti extra OCX mega super
primal spoke
Not UE4
tough sierra
If your not using ue4 cpu isn't even that important though that's the easiest to find budget parts for.
broken sigil
there are some rumors about ddr5 ram releasing in 2021
tough sierra
This shitty cpu can do ue4 projects, but working in c++ is what killed my productivity actually.
Opening the friggin game to test right after compilation is what i want.
Not to open the level editor.
tough sierra
Ooo a bullet train.
primal spoke
PC build under $500 running UE4 5 years from now would choke and die.
tough sierra
You can get an 8 core for like 40 it's really possible.
The gpu I found was 120 at the time but really I could have done a lot better.
primal spoke
Ummm, not buying a $40 CPU
tough sierra
It kicks ass compared to the 8 core black vishera amd cpu I got.
primal spoke
Not to sound snobbish, unless its from a friend or something
tough sierra
Already had it's rating checked.
There's places you can go to to get a list of cpu performance data, yo ucan compare all that and look for lower prices for the rating.
The black vishera cpu i got was 90 at the time I believe which still isn't horrible.
primal spoke
You what they say about when it sounds too good to be true
tough sierra
Higher end of the ddr3 generation.
broken sigil
when I was starting out I had an old 2 core athlon I believe lol
primal spoke
How'd that work out for you
broken sigil
It didn't π
primal spoke
You better not build lighting..... ever!
tough sierra
He could run factorio perfectly fine for sure π
God that game is amazing single thread performance wise.
primal spoke
The enginee game is heavier than the package
He would be able to run factorio development
tough sierra
But seriously on that note i've seen people spend over 1k for a cpu that doesn't even do as well as mine.
primal spoke
I believe it
tough sierra
Though theirs was ddr4 comatible
primal spoke
But still would never buy a $40 CPU unless had no other choice.
north torrent
There are even more people outside now...
tough sierra
A lot of server cpus though are getting super cheap with how ddr4 is becoming mainstream, now is the time to buy into them.
pearl elk
people arnt allowed outside
north torrent
Looks like they are here.
primal spoke
ddr4 been out for a minute
broken sigil
here if they catch you outside it's a $4k fine, only 1 person per family is allowed to go out for food
primal spoke
mao you in Wuhan?
tough sierra
Doesn't look that big an improvement at least compared to the ddr2 -> ddr3 difference.
north torrent
I think there is a certain point in your development career where the time spent on slow computers is more costly than just buying a $2,000 rig.
signal citrus
Does that fine let you stay out the rest of the day at least?
tough sierra
Damn good question.
broken sigil
nope, you get put into quarantine without choice
north torrent
Shanghai is opening back up.
I can't leave for 5 more days though, because I came in from outside China.
broken sigil
it's either stay home in self isolation and or pay 4k and get put in quarantine
pearl elk
are you sure theyre real people and not just figments of your imagination because youve got cabin fever
broken sigil
^^
pearl elk
cuz I literally see no one in this photo π
signal citrus
Got the ultra wide?
north torrent
Well, they also quarantine people from infected provinces.
So if the US was doing this, then people from New York that travel to Minnesota would have to be in mandatory (beat you with a stick if you leave) quarantine for 14 days.
tough sierra
At their lowest point, the Xeon E5-2670 was selling for as little as $70. PC enthusiasts following the secondhand market were snapping them up in disbelief over the price.
Not at home, but in a government chosen hotel run by hazmat dudes.
signal citrus
They let you vpn?
north torrent
Minnesota needs to quarantine people, that's my point.
pearl elk
did you just assume hazmat persons gender
tough sierra
Those cpus used to be over 1k by the way.
signal citrus
Weβre under lockdown Mao
north torrent
VPN is not something you ask for permission on. You just do it.
signal citrus
Two weeks since 11:59 yesterday
north torrent
So you don't let people from New York in?
north torrent
That's the key.
primal spoke
An ankle bracelet thermometer?
signal citrus
But 35 dollars for a plane ticket
north torrent
Keep New Yorkers out.
pearl elk
broken sigil
you know what would be even worse... If all people that got infected turn into zombies after 2 months
tough sierra
Xeons look the way to go when buying budget cpu's, they do relatively alright comapred to new ones, worse sure but not a lot so, even for 70$ that's a hell of a good deal. You can get budget gpu's as well to save you a ton of money, what you mostly want is at least 4GB vram, the processing umph usually doesn't matter especially if your a game dev, as you want to support lower end hardware.
north torrent
I still need to go back to Shenzhen to get my ultra-wide... Hopefully next weekend...
pearl elk
ultra-wide SCSI
north torrent
Just waiting for them to open my old school.
primal spoke
Ultra wide Scuzzy
signal citrus
Itβs really not a bad time to migrate out of mn
north torrent
I'm putting rice with my stew today.
primal spoke
Mao turned into chef Boyardee over there
north torrent
I think China just shut down the border, so you can't come here, Mr. Soulless Pat.
primal spoke
When you gonna stream the cooking show?
north torrent
They also don't allow phones with buttons here, because the button carries the virus.
tough sierra
You can get such a gpu for less than 110$ for sure, i'll go with that number as a high estimate, so 90+110+60(mobo)+60(ram)+70(psu)+30(case)=420
Yes you for sure can go under 500
Actually ram might be 80 since you need 16GB these days.
signal citrus
I want to move to one of those secluded country areas with the new internet infrastructure
primal spoke
@signal citrusoh? Not a subdivision controlled by a monopoly?
tough sierra
Spectrum is outrageously expensive and they own a lot of the US internet >.<
primal spoke
You have options for ISP?
tough sierra
It's them or another isp that charges maybe 5$ less for flipping dsl and horrible customer support.
That and they had an issue where I couldn't port forward.
They refused to look into it much deeper.
signal citrus
My upstream surpasses my downstream for the first time ever
tough sierra
But it's only those two isps here.
primal spoke
No options
tough sierra
For the most part spectrum owns everything, and they raised prices since solidifying their hold.
tough sierra
Max this hardware downloads is about 10 MB/s anyway. But I wouldn't mind that being cut in half.
I'd be happy for less than half for paying 5 less.
tough sierra
I know.
primal spoke
Bits not bytes
pearl elk
tough sierra
But then again I was poor for a long while.
Still am now that the job put me on a two week vacation >.>
primal spoke
Paid?
tough sierra
Probably not i'd assume but it's my first job.
At a pizza hut, I doubt they'll pay.
That and I do less than part time to hold onto the gov check.
signal citrus
You feeling any better mons?
primal spoke
I thought pizza places were hiring lots of people
north torrent
tough sierra
It's a food business.
They don't want to risk contamination and I had a minor cold.
tough sierra
They want people but a lot of people either called off or called sick, and their rule is to keep them off work for two weeks.
north torrent
I'm in a hotel...
tough sierra
Lol that track.
north torrent
Never!
tough sierra
Hey i eat at my desk to wow.
north torrent
Life is full of splashes. I will never take the life out of my soup!
I've been eating at my desk for years. Never had room for a kitchen table.
primal spoke
You have a rice cooker?
tough sierra
Same.
north torrent
The rice was delivered to me.
tough sierra
I do o/ It's awesome.
Seriously they are so versatile.
And nothing tastes as good to me as a properly made vegie rice meal.
tough sierra
Ooo custom temp settings.
primal spoke
@tough sierra you vegan?
tough sierra
Or is that a timer.
I was for a while, i just usually avoid meat as it's very expensive.
north torrent
I bought the model without a timer.
primal spoke
Challenges working at the hut?
tough sierra
Actually since working there my meat intake went up a lot, they throw out so much food I can't help but take it home.
Honestly their stuff is good >.<
primal spoke
Dang
north torrent
Have you ever had Chinese Pizza Hut, Mr. Koi?
tough sierra
Not had the chance.
north torrent
Well, you can't come here now, they shut down the border...
primal spoke
I just ate some Frosted Mini Wheats
signal citrus
How does Pizza Hut get the crust so greasy?
north torrent
Grease.
tough sierra
Bread, rice, cashews, carrets, flax seeds, beans, some spices, grind all that up and you have vegan meat, or similar mixes can do the trick.
And my god.
It tastes just like geta.
Oh.
north torrent
Sounds more expensive than meat though...
primal spoke
Pop tarts have crushed animal bones in them also
north torrent
Have you seen the price of cashews?
tough sierra
We geese the pans before actually putting the dough on them, and they proof like that.
It's actually a lot cheaper.
A ton so
signal citrus
I thought it was something like that
tough sierra
You don't need much cashews, most of it's rice/bread, and at least here vegies are super cheap.
north torrent
tough sierra
That and i make my own bread.
signal citrus
Not a fan of Pizza Hut, hard to forget that greasy bread
north torrent
Best typo of the day, Mr. Koi.
primal spoke
Geese the pan
tough sierra
Understandable, also it depends how much the pans are greased, you'd be amazed how many mistakes we all make there.
And it's understandable ones, there's a lot to keep track of.
primal spoke
You're not sick of pizza yet?
tough sierra
Hell no I love bread stuffs ^-^
north torrent
I like Pizza Hut.
primal spoke
Have you started trading goods with other local restaurants
tough sierra
And there's so much variety, lemon pepper fries and jalapeno pepper poppers and chicken.
primal spoke
Like a pizza for tacos
tough sierra
Older sibling trades lunch sometimes but I don't socialize that much.
north torrent
I like tacos.
tough sierra
Lol funny you said tacos >.<
primal spoke
Tacos in China?
north torrent
There is one Taco Bell in Shanghai.
north torrent
I am from Arizona.
tough sierra
Home made tacos... I miss that.
signal citrus
I made tacos recently
primal spoke
Arizona used to be a part of Mexico
tough sierra
On a related note spuds sell super cheap here, they make awesome fries, chips, and other stuffs ^-^
north torrent
In China, Taco Bell is marketed as 'Authentic California Food'.
primal spoke
Lol!
tough sierra
LOL
north torrent
They are not allowed to mention Mexico anywhere.
north torrent
Marketing calls everything authentic.
primal spoke
So you can't get a good taco in China, check.
north torrent
I know some places in Shenzhen to get real tacos.
north torrent
I have only been in quarantine in Shanghai, so I haven't been able to go out and look here.
primal spoke
A good taco is hand made tortillas
north torrent
But there is a huge immigrant town here in Shanghai.
tough sierra
Taco bell has dank ideas but yeah not the freshest food at least here >.<
primal spoke
Salsa, guacamole, carne asada
tough sierra
Ooo~
north torrent
There is a place in Shanghai called LΗowΓ i Street, where it is almost 100% foreigners living there. You can get all sorts of foreign food.
primal spoke
Chipotle called foreign?
north torrent
No, that isn't a thing in China.
primal spoke
It's like MCD being called foreign
north torrent
But immigrants from Mexico living in Shanghai would want to sell their tacos on Laowai Street.
signal citrus
primal spoke
Mexicans live in Shanghai?
signal citrus
Home made pico de galo
primal spoke
You've seen them?
north torrent
There are some in Shenzhen.
I am new to Shanghai, I haven't left quarantine.
tough sierra
I don't know what that is but I want some.
north torrent
I don't think the hazmat guy is Mexican, but I could be wrong.
north torrent
These two cities are super international. You can always find a German restaurant run by Germans and an Italian restaurant run by Italians and a Canadian restaurant run by Canadians.
signal citrus
Poutine
north torrent
I had poutine for the first time in China...
I will assume it is better than what I got.
Someday I will visit Canadia and find out.
primal spoke
Schnitzel is really good.
north torrent
German beer is very common here.
primal spoke
German beer is also good.
north torrent
Germany and Australia seem to have the best trade deals with China, at least when it comes to things I see at the grocery store.
north torrent
Have you ever heard of 'Point Roberts', Mr. Soulless Pat?
Budweiser is the only US brand of beer you can find, but I never drink it. Why would I when imported German beer is almost the same price?
Even Chinese beer is better than Budweiser...
You can get Corona beer here as well.
primal spoke
Budweiser is crap
signal citrus
Have not
primal spoke
Corona probably pissed off right now
north torrent
Second worst beer I have ever tasted, Mr. Ball126.
primal spoke
Corona bout to have a huge marketing campaign when this is all over
primal spoke
You talking to me?
north torrent
No, to the almost Canadian.
You live on the opposite border.
Well, Point Roberts is right next to Vancouver, about an hour drive. It is a little piece of land than hangs into the US side of the 49th parallel.
primal spoke
Going to sleep... don't get infected
north torrent
signal citrus
Nice
north torrent
You should go live there.
north torrent
Blame Mr. Pat on that one.
signal citrus
At least weβve got mapquest USA
north torrent
For the kinds to get to Highschool, they have to enter Canadia, leave Canadia, and go to school in the US on the other side.
signal citrus
Iβm out of school
north torrent
But I bet you could get a job in Vancouver and live in the US still.
signal citrus
But that it interesting
north torrent
Go to Canadia if you get sick, because healthcare is free.
pearl elk
Vancouvers not as good as Landrover
signal citrus
They do sound similar
tough sierra
Someone besides me who wonders why budwiser is more expensive than the other stuff yet is sold the most?
Woah.
north torrent
In the US I like Blue Moon.
pearl elk
this is a Vancouver no?
signal citrus
Fat Tire was what I had long ago
north torrent
Do you want to see my first car?
tough sierra
You could mix vodka with other stuff for a cheap strong kick.
signal citrus
I think thereβs some kind of saying about sicker and liquor and some order of beer
tough sierra
What's the use with a truck with a mini tailgate?
This might not be that kind of vehicle but still.
north torrent
It was actually all sorts of practical...
signal citrus
I had a red Jeep Grand Cherokee
tough sierra
I guess it doesn't weigh a ton so gas is cheaper.
tough sierra
My family has skills in car mechanics and construction though, so ma had rather big trucks, not "fat" body frames but actually big interiors and such for hauling lumber and such.
north torrent
So it is sort of like a convertible, but sort of like just sitting in the back of a truck....
signal citrus
Was that the car that flipped over a lot?
tough sierra
Interesting combination.
signal citrus
I might be thinking of the geo tracker
north torrent
So my friends would stand up in the back while I was driving and hold onto the roof of the car/truck/thing...
tough sierra
I can't legally drive but even i'm getting annoyed with how difficult cars are to repair anymore.
Lol nice.
pearl elk
I got a 90s Holden Jackaroo out in the paddock, its like an Izusu Trooper
north torrent
And when I needed to I could fold up the back seat and load guitar amps and a drumkit in the back of it.
tough sierra
How many people even know how to replace break pads or even a tire?
signal citrus
For me it was tube tv screens for halo over lan
north torrent
I pay people to work on my breaks.
tough sierra
Oh nice.
My family is mostly working class though, we have to conserve money, repair shops rip people off big time.
pearl elk
brakes*
tough sierra
It can cost you just 20$ ish to replace your own pads, how much does it cost to have that done in the shop again?
I remember somewhere around 60$ but that was a long time ago.
pearl elk
I dont miss carrying them
tough sierra
I miss that old conventional analog tv I used to have in the bedroom to play videogames on, was so comfortable, perfect size and the roundness somehow helped.
Oof right?
signal citrus
They are magical with their alluring glow of persistency
tough sierra
Fun times getting zappy zapped.
Oh dude.
When I was in elementary, some kid touched my spine with one hand, then touched the tv with another hand and sent a zap right in the mid of my back >.<
tough sierra
Mechanical~
north torrent
That was my odd keyboard. I showed it on hear a while back.
north torrent
I have a separate number pad.
north torrent
On my next keyboard I'm going to get one with a 10 key, but at the time I bought that, it was the only wireless mechanical at the store.
mild root
at least you have almost all blocks
signal citrus
Youβve thought of it all
north torrent
Have you applied for an 'Emergency Disaster Loan', Mr. Soulless Pat?
I'm not sure if independent game developers count as small businesses though.
But it is basically free money if you are a small business and are lucky enough to get it.
signal citrus
Itβs definitely a small business but nah. The quarantine hasnβt affected things
north torrent
I know that I don't count as a small business.
north torrent
It is part of Senate bill that just got passed.
It is basically for independent contractors and small businesses to survive the maga-virus quarantine.
It is a loan that doesn't have to be repaid... so basically a grant, but called a loan.
For anyone who does need the help and qualifies as an independent contractor or small business.
pearl elk
Im confused, how does Doom Eternal run better than Borderlands 3?
bold fulcrum
Tis Optimized :S
pearl elk
I feel like it has somethin to do with scaleform
pearl elk
cant wait for the Doom Eternal Mod tools π
north torrent
Mod a banana into Doom.
If I was a software company, I would be giving out 90 day free trials right now.
Many people who aren't normally stuck at home are stuck at home, who knows, maybe they will pick up your software and learn it... Then buy the real thing after the 90 days.
Someone was talking about split-screen yesterday... Forgot who, I was drunk.
north torrent
What is a Taiwan?
pearl elk
its a part of China but not a part of China
depending on which side of a trade war youre sitting
north torrent
There are a lot of parts of China that aren't really China.
pearl elk
the US is the opposite though they dont want Puerto Rico π
north torrent
The US has shoved impossible amounts of debt on to Puerto Rico, and they just want to keep it around as a debt slave, but ignore it whenever there is a disaster that needs federal attention.
pearl elk
I think Australia should do that with Tasmania π
north torrent
pearl elk
theres so many potshots at Valve in BL3 π
I got a gun called an Unshippable Freeman
north torrent
I just realized the building I was looking at across the street from my quarantine is actually one of those iPhone sweatshops where people work themselves to death...
north torrent
Valve is easy to take shots at.
north torrent
I like goats.
median wraith
lol
pearl elk
theres abit of graffiti at one point which says "no hats" its in the casino, seems like a big coincidence
molten granite
Just arrived to the Unreal slack server, and I need some guidance which channel or subgroup I need to pose a question about adding a volume B-spline capability to the geometry engine of Unreal. The context is that next generation FEM unifies geometry and the shape functions making it much easier for the simulation to modify the geometry and model accurate model interactions, such as fluid-structure interactions and deformation. We have that new FEM engine but our geometry modeler is not integrated into an animation environment and thus blocks us from doing animations that explain either the physics or the optimization that is going on underneath. We are exploring if an integration with Unreal can deliver such high-fidelity animations of complex physics.
abstract haven
do you want to render geometry output from an existing FEM engine?
you can ask in the cpp/graphics channels
molten granite
The need is a volume B-spline push-pull modeler integrated into an animation package so that we can generate visualizations of the iso-geometric analysis process. Traditional FEM separates geometry from analysis causing a break in the automatic geometry modification process that optimization needs to go through as you would need to remesh the new geometry.
abstract haven
not really sure with that terminology, but there is a spline component in the engine, if you want to generate meshes using splines (such as BREP), that isnt a tool and you would need to add your own module
do yo umean something like a subdivision surface modeller?
pastel tiger
some math geniuses here?
How would I write such a function in code?
pearl elk
you cant just use a curve?
pastel tiger
@pearl elk no
plucky pagoda
There's a ton of free web apps that will plot functions for free. You should be able to find an equation that will work rather quickly. But you can use a curve fairly easy too.
@molten granite I suspect if you can talk to the people who are more familiar with the engine and have more in-depth knowledge of the source that you will find you can do as you are wanting. There's a few people who watch the cpp channel who I think would be of more help.
There's functionality available that should aid the process quite a bit.
I've done a very small amount of mesh manipulation in UE and will gladly point you towards anything I can, but I suspect my depth of knowledge in that area may be insufficient.
north torrent
What kind of noodles should I make today?
plucky pagoda
Pho
pork, egg, sweet and spicy base
and a lime wedge
I just had stir fried beef and green beans with a fried egg for breakfast
north torrent
I don't have that in my quarantine hotel...
plucky pagoda
Continental breakfast challenge?
pearl elk
umm do those colours represent food groups
north torrent
I think just level of spicy.
plucky pagoda
I like these two.
That one in the lower left my wife eats and the spice kills me. If they're the same as the ones we get which they look like they are.
north torrent
You get noodle from China?
plucky pagoda
I make miso for breakfast sometimes and like it. I use the white or red paste and make a thick base then chop up and add any left over pork we have and some cabbage.
I grew up near an AirForce base and most of my family worked for the DOD. I have a lot of freinds from all over and a high number who have at least one parent from China, Vietnam, or Korea.
bold fulcrum
@pastel tiger Curvefit to a polynominal
plucky pagoda
I shop at an import grocery near us for a lot of stuff
My dad spent a long time in Vietnam during the war and learned to cook over there. He kept at it for most of his life including making kimchi at home.
north torrent
I don't have any bratwurst left to put in my soup...
north torrent
I could order more, but I'll be out of quarantine in a few days.
plucky pagoda
He made his Kimchi kinda weird though. He would grow bokchoi and use it but he would grow it until it got fairly big. That and some radish, I'll have to look up what it's called.
Bet that's a relief.
north torrent
There is a cheeseburger place 200km from my hotel, so I'm just going to walk down there and eat as soon as they release me.
plucky pagoda
I wish they'd take stronger action here. The US has too many stupid people. We're paying the price of a failing education system.
pearl elk
just think of the war stories you can tell your grandchildren about the great pandemic of 2020 when you were locked in a room in China
north torrent
Cheeseburger in Chinese translates to 'Beef Fort'.
plucky pagoda
Hell yeah. We've been cooking at home for over a month for every meal. I feel better than I have in years.
plucky pagoda
Daikon, that's the radish he grew for his kimchi
north torrent
I should order one.
north torrent
I can get food delivered from the local grocery store within 3 or 4 hours.
plucky pagoda
nice. It's taking 3 days at least for a pickup order here.
and then they cancel half the items
north torrent
Only takes them 40 minutes to deliver, but the hazmat dudes are in no hurry to bring stuff to me. That's why I can't get a cheeseburger. It would sit around for hours before I got it.
plucky pagoda
sucks.
north torrent
I'm in Shanghai. They are opening things back up here.
pearl elk
get a cheeseburger in a can
north torrent
Most people in the US refuse to believe that China has things under control. I guess a mix of jealousy and anger on their parts.
But it isn't too bad not having my cheeseburger... I made stew.
pearl elk
you should totally get the hazmat guys to selfie with a cheeseburger, its hazardous materials
north torrent
I'm just eating noodles now because I had stew earlier today. Saving the rest for tomorrow.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, it's the whole no one does anything better than us mindset that's hammered down people's throats
I wish American society had more of a sense of social responsibility and less of the "I can do what I want"
pearl elk
nationalism yay holds up his flag and waves
north torrent
One whole province of China just got decimated by this thing, but the rest of China has some of the lowest rates in the world.
mossy nexus
it's quite scary the amount of indoctrination that US has as a culture, and they have the cheek to criticise Communist countries
plucky pagoda
The way I look at it you can appreciate how effective their response was and that does not mean you're excusing anything else they do or some other aspect of their government.
north torrent
The way China is doing things certainly has many problems... But people aren't dieing in massive numbers in Shanghai, so I guess I will ignore the incompetence with paper work.
mossy nexus
What do you make of the reports that business/factories etc are 'faking' the return to normal work?
north torrent
I can literally see people returning to the iPhone sweatshop out my window.
pearl elk
you shoulda seen what Hollywood did to anyone they suspected was communist, it was far worse, thats not even getting into the KKK and the like
plucky pagoda
For many people it's not much of a choice. Even here in the US a lot of people are barely getting from pay check to pay check.
north torrent
Both the US and China have some good points and some very bad points. But I just try to roll with the facts.
plucky pagoda
Hell, a lot of people are already out of money for food. Especially people working for tips.
When I worked for tips, bartending at night clubs, I needed every Saturday night. I made all my money in 3 hours on that night. Without it I was broke.
mossy nexus
Most countries are very similar in many regards. At least as the common person goes.
pearl elk
its spread so badly in the US, I just hope they can get ontop of it or travel restrictions will be in place for a long time
north torrent
The Chinese system of government and obsession with 'saving face' made the leaders in Wuhan afraid to go public with the virus, as it would ruin their entire careers. That caused things to get out of hand before the federal government was ever aware.
But the federal government stepped in and was very strict about things.
It created a lot of paid for the people in Wuhan... but it saved placed like Beijing and Shanghai and Shenzhen.
plucky pagoda
Between 11pm and 2am on Saturday I would pour 10k worth of drinks and make $300 to $600. Imagine someone working like that with kids to feed, they miss one shift and they're done.
Probably counting on it to buy groceries for Sunday morning breakfast.
Not to mention all the people working under the table who won't be able to get unemployment
north torrent
I can't change the bad things China or the US had done in the past. But I can try to open up a less 'indoctrinated' view of the world to my students and teach them both problem solving skills and the importance of compassion for other people.
Maybe their generation won't fuck things up as much.
plucky pagoda
A friend of mine took over one of the nightclubs in Dayton a while back and he's really stressing. The guy has busted his ass for decades.
north torrent
I think the fact that society and mostly corporations had so many people living on such tight paycheck to paycheck budgets is the real unforgivable thing.
Society should be better than that with the technology we have in 2020.
But as companies make record profits, the working class doesn't make a penny more. It all goes to stock buybacks to make the top guys mega rich.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, The problem is the same here. People don't understand the scale of really large numbers.
They don't understand how outrageous the income gap is.
or its effect on the broader economy
north torrent
The guy who bought 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer to hoard, he is no different from how the mega rich are with money. There is no moral difference between him and Mike Bloomberg.
plucky pagoda
You can't praise unrestricted capitalism though and hold his actions in contempt. That's the cognitive dissonance I see.
primal spoke
America is quasicapitalist
north torrent
I never praise pure capitalism... or pure any other form.
I think any successful system should have a bit of capitalism, socialism, and communism mixed into one.
plucky pagoda
I think there's too many people to allow something like who can build something cheapest decide the shape of our society.
north torrent
I think the US could be fixed with just a few changes, honestly. I don't think the US is fundamentally broke.
plucky pagoda
We need to take a more intentional approach
Focus on long term instead of disposable gratification
north torrent
The US needs to go on a diet.
median wraith
From what I see in the news
primal spoke
I do
median wraith
The Division 3 is about release in USA
north torrent
I'm on the quarantine diet. I've lost 2kg.
median wraith
hows that ?
primal spoke
I've gain like 10 lbs
median wraith
yeah thats more my case
plucky pagoda
I'm feeling better than ever. But I was really sick all last month.
north torrent
No cheeseburgers.
primal spoke
I swear not a day goes by you don't mention cheeseburgers somewhere
north torrent
Cheeseburgers are life.
pearl elk
guess what I had for dinner?
primal spoke
Not being sick is good
north torrent
That should be my farming game. The quest to make the greatest cheeseburger ever through the ultimate farm to table techniques.
Spoiler Alert - It will involve a Yak.
primal spoke
Mons, brains?
pearl elk
I had hamburgers, with cheese, tomato, egg, bacon, lettuce and secret sauce
primal spoke
Homemade?
north torrent
Have you ever had an elk burger?
primal spoke
My kid ate an elk burger and said it was good.... but I don't trust his opinion
median wraith
keep the calm and play COD
north torrent
Kids don't know taste.
median wraith
as I played The Division 1 made me total trained for this situation
no problem
π
north torrent
Might make me a bad person to ask this, but do you think real-estate is going to get cheaper in areas that had severe outbreaks? Like Italy?
mossy nexus
Probably not
primal spoke
Probably already is cheaper
tbh
Demand drops and so does price
If supply stays the same
Or goes up
north torrent
Well, when someone dies that means one more house to go up for sale.
pearl elk
I hear theres a house in Amityville going cheap
north torrent
Not a good part of the country to live in.
primal spoke
I think this is a huge market correction
Everything was getting so expensive and overvalued
pearl elk
apparently rich people are more likely to catch it cuz they travel more
north torrent
Not more than me.
north torrent
I am middle class and I travel to my job.
primal spoke
Bucking the trend
north torrent
If there is one thing I have learned from traveling is that I hate traveling.
primal spoke
Traveling does suck
north torrent
So I'm not the type to go schedule some vacation someplace far away
primal spoke
No place like home
stiff crystal
I only learned few months back that avg finnish person travels 4 times a year to some place inside the country and 3 times abroad each year
and if that's like avg, some people travel a LOT
north torrent
Yes, there is no place like Mr. Ball's home.
primal spoke
Funny
stiff crystal
I've been abroad like 3 times on my whole life if we don't count boat trips to the countries next to us
and even with those, it would be like 10 times max
north torrent
I wonder if people who speak English are more likely to travel abroad...
north torrent
Every airline seems to use English on their flights.
primal spoke
Not necessarily English as a first language
primal spoke
I would say majority of adults on earth know some English
north torrent
As an English teacher I would have to disagree.
But in almost every room you can find one person who speaks English.
north torrent
Airport staff generally all speak a little bit of English.
primal spoke
I said know some English, not teacher level
English is required in lots of schools everywhere
north torrent
A majority of the people I meet in China don't have any English ability beyond 'Hi'.
primal spoke
Including India
north torrent
The younger generation is different.
But there are a lot of old people out there.
Old people make the best noodle soup.
primal spoke
Point is majority know some English
north torrent
I don't think a majority, just from my travels.
plucky pagoda
Isn't it a little too much gristle?
I'm not sure about the morality either.
I prefer beef or pork stock.
primal spoke
Name a large country that doesn't have English language requirements in school
zinc matrix
Poland
primal spoke
Why do so many polish folks know English then?
primal spoke
Lots of polish work in UK also correct?
north torrent
Just because schools require it doesn't mean in practice that you can roll into a 7/11 and expect even basic level of English.
Like if you say the word 'two' because you want two beers not one, they generally won't understand.
primal spoke
Now we are talking levels
zinc matrix
Some. Remember Tusk? He didn't knew English when he moved to UE job.
north torrent
And that's in a place like Shenzhen which is super international. If I go into central China to a third tier city, next to nobody will have even basic English ability.
north torrent
I figure if someone doesn't know one, two ,three, yes, no in English then that is not knowing any English.
India has many different languages, so a lot of times it is easier to do something in English than try to have 3 or 4 different languages for something like a videogame.
A guy I knew from India told me that it would be stupid to localize my videogame for India for that reason. He said just use English.
primal spoke
Because Indians know English
zinc matrix
Of course they know, they are from America. Oh wait...
zinc matrix
everyday or to foreign people?
plucky pagoda
Places like Hong Kong with major international business and political hubs are different than most places.
primal spoke
I agree
north torrent
A lot of Chinese people who go to Hong Kong end up using English because their Chinese is so different they can't communicate in Chinese.
primal spoke
IK
primal spoke
Cantonese
north torrent
The more poor people in Hong Kong generally can't communicate too well in English. But any higher up business people will speak English.
pearl elk
yes well thats why when you come to Australia you have to learn Australian π
primal spoke
I don't have the Spain lisp tho
plucky pagoda
Too many dialects. I worked for a guy from Hong Kong for a while and he was proud of how many dialects he spoke.
pearl elk
you get it even with English, theres some poms I can barely understand π
north torrent
Guandong Hua.
Cantonese is a name made up by British colonizers.
primal spoke
Yeah the folks who they dealt with first were the ones who had their language translated to other languages
pearl elk
wasnt like Hong Kong and Signapore under British rule at some point?
north torrent
Yes.
Macau was Portuguese. They gave the name 'Mandarin Chinese' to what is really Putong Hua.
primal spoke
I'm currently listening to China: A history
north torrent
The Pearl River Delta is a patchwork of languages.
primal spoke
@north torrent what's the current politically correct term?
north torrent
Shenzhen was built right in the middle of Guangzhou (Canton) and Hong Kong, who both speak Guangdong Hua.
But Shenzhen was filled with immigrants from northern China that spoke Putong Hua. Wasn't built until the 1990s, so it is currently the fastest growing city in the history of the world.
Then on the other side of the delta you have Macau which have a mix of both Chinese languages and Portuguese.
primal spoke
So can you say someone is speaking Chinese in general?
north torrent
If you just say Chinese, it is assumed you mean Putong Hua.
primal spoke
Ok, because I don't want to sound like bigot
north torrent
Now when it comes to written Chinese, China uses 'Simplified Characters' while Taiwan uses 'Traditional Characters' which just have some character with more complicated strokes.
north torrent
I can understand using the term Cantonese for Hong Kong people.
Mandarin has no reason to be used ever, just say Chinese.
primal spoke
Got it, only use it for small oranges
north torrent
But if you are referring to Cantonese inside mainland China, then Guangdong Chinese will be understood. Cantonese will just confuse a mainland Chinese person.
primal spoke
Thanks
north torrent
There is a different term people use in Hong Kong as opposed to Guangdong Hua, but I can't for the life of me spell it... Or say it correctly...
Something like Ear Yuè but you have to say
primal spoke
Going to make coffee now.
north torrent
'ear' like a dieing giraffe would say the word.
The Yuè part is correct, because that is the indigenous people of Southern China as opposed to the Han Chinese.
The language actually sounds closer to Vietnamese than Chinese to me... But if you say that to someone in Hong Kong they will probably try to fight you.
They get mad...
tender lily
How long does it take to become good at a battle royale game?
About a fortnight π€£
Rimshot
steep charm
so anyone doing learning groups with anyone during quarantine remotely ?
north torrent
I have to teach school online.
bold fulcrum
Just toss your students youtube links and let them go. They are graduating this year anyway.
steep charm
eh. i know its probably annoying. im just one of those that has to learn everything online because i cant afford schooling and so i try to find people that wish to study or learn together. not much luck but if you dont try even less will come. thx anyways π
median wraith
@carmine frigate you had that there the itch web ? want to double check the empty infinity floor alike room you made there
median wraith
clapsclaps
median wraith
by tomorrow we surpass china virus cases
just by the small difference spain is under 50 million of people and china is about 1.5 billions
mild root
worldwide quarantine
powers are mostly consisted of 50+ age people
they are risk group
and afraid of covid19 so much
they might sacrifice world economy to survive
I've seen this hypothesis here and there
carmine frigate
@median wraith ?
mild root
by tomorrow we surpass china virus cases
@median wraith china lies, it is simple
who knows how many cases are there
median wraith
we are about lie too
mild root
doubtful
median wraith
the hospitals start to don't count cases since this week
mild root
lie is a purpose
median wraith
the people that don't test and have clear exposition wont count on the total
mild root
miscount is not lie
anyway, it does not matter how do you count - panic is already here
median wraith
how easy its to control them all
mild root
so there is no reason to hide numbers
median wraith
them actually named it in the news
60k infected and less deaths than in the countries with 10k
plus someone spot they don't whole count then all but the convenient cases they want
mild root
because germans don't kiss each other during greetings
like italians
you have to account traditions
median wraith
XD
mild root
yes, it is weird
mild root
I was surprised by discovering the fact italians kiss cheeks like in mafia movies
deep glen
we kiss on the cheeks as well if its someone we somewhat know.
mild root
deep glen
no mo though
median wraith
we do too but as Luos said
From your last sentence it sound like we go a gamedev meet and we kiss all the people
mild root
well, I learn stuff from youtube and have no idea if it is true
just have to extrapolate my knowledge about "northern" and "southern" mentality
tulip orbit
everything I know about italians, I learned from the simpsons
mild root
hahaa, not the worst source of knowledge to me
median wraith
I mean some newspaper from UK named we fu** with donkeys
So I could expect anything
mild root
however, follow qualified quarantine recommendations
some newspaper
ah, there is a lot of fake newspapers
just seeking for hype
it is a big problem worldwide
journalism is dead
fathom wadi
LOL that China number has to be bullshit
@median wraith UK newspapers have no respect here so I wouldn't worry about it. They try desperate measures to get people to buy them.
median wraith
xd
Na the China one is real, they just have sci fi techs
Like the robots from 1992 they can drive with a tea across the corridor
fathom wadi
well lets say it originated there, and it has a 2 week incubation period, there is no fucking way that is so low
tulip orbit
zinc matrix
China is playing the long game @fathom wadi
deep glen
anybody else have the tendency to over-mod a game until it breaks?
@signal citrus my/gf's sims4 now runs 15-30-ish fps <_<
cpu seems to be the main bottleneck though
deep glen
yea
even with the heaviest reshade setups it sticks around the same fps
<_< now I want a mod that puts one sim per thread
signal citrus
what is your utilization?
deep glen
I should properly check hehe
signal citrus
i'm betting its 1/64th lol
signal citrus
lol π
btw
took a look at the new zenith II extreme alpha
they took off that weird 2x2 usb
signal citrus
it also does not come with a screw driver
median wraith
@deep glen I over mod Sims 4 with corn mods there was no problem π€
signal citrus
ah yeah that makes sense
median wraith
Got like 150 mods
signal citrus
1 thread rendering, 1 thread audio, 1 thread script, and 1 thread interaction likely
mossy nexus
Mate has Skyrim VR fully modded around 400 mods
signal citrus
games back then were probably utilized for consoles like 360 which has 3 threads
signal citrus
ye that sweet sweet sims 4 modding lol
ye you could oc closer to 5 i'd bet
not something you want to do sustained
deep glen
nah, id need better cooling for that
signal citrus
sims have any way of telling you which mod is taking the most performance out?
deep glen
without mods you cant even tell, with it only tellsyou what is causing issues
but my guess is the 60 sims-on-lot mod :p
(along with the advanced ai mod)
deep glen
especially if they are all set up to basically progress trough the game without any input
gf went as far as put all the children in their own house
think she is telling me something I rather ignore
XD
at least she didnt install a male preggo mod, because then we'd need some serious talk time
fathom wadi
I have 5 and its frigging murder sometimes
fathom wadi
technically its possible now
median wraith
well yeah but then you need a trans mod
actually Sims4 allows to get preggo I think if you're male without mods
you can choose genitals per sex type
since last updates
somehow I broke UE4
Now I got AO and others inside Forward rendering
but are broken
fathom wadi
Maybe you just did it wrong. I mean, you are new to this right?
hasty cargo
if you're running a project from an external drive, never shutdown immediatley after closing a ue4 project
learned this the hard way today
fathom wadi
Windows 10 should be pretty safe to unplug in that way. Depends though if its writing when you pull the plug
hasty cargo
im on w7, wasn't an unplug but a shutdown, i think ue4 still does some file stuff in the background before completley shutting down
lost a map file n 3 days work up the pipe π
fathom wadi
@hasty cargo ahh win7 still has the old system that doesn't ensure the data is safe. Thats one of the reasons Win7 is shit. Upgrade, you are slowing the internet down :p
hasty cargo
π¦
the price i pay for a lightweight os
i had this nice shoreline done too, nice rock placement, sea foam
ill never get it right again
median wraith
@fathom wadi idk what you're talking man, I just started my adventure in UE4 this week and targeting for a MMORPG thats the lobby of the character selector
π
fathom wadi
Have you seen the Blueprint Communication Tutorial video yet? Best 2 hours you will ever spend next to hiring a hooker and getting a bag of finest columbian
median wraith
have to check that later
watched today some videos from gamers that actually know what they are talking about
hasty cargo
on youtube? impossible
median wraith
yeah it was, somehow
Someohow this spot when enabled forward, on my engine changes but makes no sense at all
as there are the correct num of index π€
fathom wadi
its an unbound property tho
probably not relevant for the other shading type
ie. forward rendering + screenspace AO = nope
median wraith
@hasty cargo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sFrG02xpAw
@fathom wadi yeah could be at first was checking for the inputs as there ix x2 as the normal but makes no sense seems correct, will disable the AO and that will be all
signal citrus
half life alyx is so good tho
wasn't expecting it to be a testament to how to keep a franchise going
median wraith
does half life alyx have SSAO ?
signal citrus
it has some kind of adaptive ao
when things move they lose their ao and it gets updated later on
median wraith
yeah it seems like there is some soft shadow or ssao going on
twin gulch
Hello guys, i'm new here
signal citrus
the game is incredibly pretty
fathom wadi
@twin gulch waves
twin gulch
π
fringe sundial
it has blob shadows
as in shader trickery blob shadows
and i think forward-only SSAO
temporally accumulated
and btw, you can do forward only ssao, even unreal can do that now
fathom wadi
cool. its been a while since I updated my VR resume tbh
median wraith
oh okay
twin gulch
are you guys professional programmers or just hobbyist?
fathom wadi
It works with forward rendering, but only if you use TAA, not if you use MSAA. Being able to use MSAA is the main reason for forward rendering though. And then SSAO does not work, since the UE4 SSAO has no blur pass, it completely relies on TAA.
@twin gulch depends. If thats based on money earned, im a frigging noob. If not, im a pro
twin gulch
i see π
any tips for a beginner? I programmed basic stuff until now (not game related)
fathom wadi
Yeah. Become a plumber. Then you get paid for cleaning up shit.
twin gulch
i worked on construction sites, if that counts
fathom wadi
seriously though, just study, study, study. Focus on a specialisation, but keep adding to your skill set
twin gulch
understood, thanks man
twin gulch
:))
fathom wadi
me too. Now I've been cleaning my own crap up and not paying myself. Im the worst boss
twin gulch
quick question for you guys, is c++ used a lot in developing? or it depends on the project?
signal citrus
c++ is great for many things
fathom wadi
yes
when I see a blueprint only project, I see unoptimised logic made by someone who was too scared to goto C++ :p
signal citrus
I see blueprints compiling to native in no time
hasty cargo
@median wraith does this guy mention any opposing thoughts, like the scope of projects or something