Only if you drive from one city to another. Most people don't.
#lounge
north torrent
It's 10:00pm here.
tulip orbit
8am here
tulip orbit
I have coffee, waiting for it to kick in
primal spoke
Drinking coffee right now and playing tropico 6
north torrent
Did you finish your game?
primal spoke
I pinged you
cloud nova
@wheat narwhal oh forgot to ask about the hardware stuff
north torrent
I saw a level.
primal spoke
Yeah, that's it.
north torrent
I didn't see anyone play the game.
primal spoke
primal spoke
@deep glen what?
primal spoke
You saw this was from a real life maze correct?
deep glen
for some reason I do like the look of it
real life as in photogrammetry? or did someone make giant toiletrolls irl?
deep glen
not so much a maze, but still, i like it
north torrent
This apple isn't great.
primal spoke
It was quick work and my first time 3D scanning. I think I might get into it a bit more now.
Thanks for the pressure!
It got my heart pumping and my mind racing, and my creativity sparked.
median wraith
I notice the clocks from apps
mix the 12am and 12pm
ones set the 12am at morning others the 12pm at morning
primal spoke
@north torrent put down your iPhone.
north torrent
I don't have an iPhone.
pearl elk
still looks like a whole table of melted M&Ms
primal spoke
This apple isn't great.
@north torrent yes you do
primal spoke
@pearl elk that's because of light reflection from overhead light when I was scanning
I wish that bag of MMs was still full
Damn the TP
north torrent
I should have bought stock in bananas...
north torrent
If someone would have told me in 2019... "Next year, everyone is going to get an extra two weeks of vacation to sit home and nap, catch up on laundry, and play videogames." I would have been excited about it.
Not sure why everyone is so upset.
cloud nova
who has an idea of hardware stuff?
primal spoke
@north torrent with a clear mind
soft night
that what you got @primal spoke
north torrent
Are you going to sell the bananas before the next stock crash?
primal spoke
Adults, including myself are worried, not just for my family, but my fellow man and women
median wraith
@primal spoke Its like Left 4 Dead, just go with a pan to buy paper
north torrent
If you don't go around people you can't get sick.
median wraith
The people act like zombies
soft night
when people dont sleep enough they act like zombies already
primal spoke
A level of sophistication like none other.
soft night
hevedy have played WWZ too?
median wraith
primal spoke
@north torrent resident evil 2?
north torrent
Never played it.
median wraith
you two are bad persons as didn't played these
Dying Light
how you never played that
primal spoke
Didn't do dying light.
north torrent
I like cute happy games...
primal spoke
Like kirby's dream world?
median wraith
So only the ones with Mickey Mouse with an AK47
soft night
quix play animal crossing then
fathom wadi
The fuck kind of person asks for web dev as royalty. And what kind of person is stupid enough to do it?
north torrent
I don't have a Switch.
primal spoke
Switch has all the cute games
median wraith
@fathom wadi there is people always in need that support these people
fathom wadi
for royalties?
median wraith
yeah I have seen cases....
primal spoke
Facts, my 8 yr old sitting next to me right now playing minecraft on Switch
median wraith
or in a underpaid job as is better than no job
fathom wadi
man expecting some royalties from the web site is like expecting the lump of lead in your hand to turn to gold.
soft night
WebDeveloper Royale as a new battle royale game
north torrent
I want to make cute games that have cutting edge graphics.
Like Animal Crossing with Red Dead Redemption 2 quality...
I'm a bad man, I know.
median wraith
@north torrent now tell me games you play
primal spoke
Later folks
median wraith
See you
@north torrent "Animal Crossing with Red Dead Redemption 2 quality" Call of Duty ?
north torrent
Last few games I played were...
Red Dead Redemption 2, Anno 1800, My Time at Portia, Unravel, Limbo, Total War Three Kingdoms, and Stardew Valley.
deep glen
animal crossing is a hollow shell of what could potentially be an interesting game.
i'd suggest stardew valley over AC
north torrent
I honestly feel rather disappointed playing Stardew Valley though... I did play it a lot, and there are a lot of things I did like. But it was just missing something.
I would say My Time at Portia is my favorite game in that genre, or just simply going back to Harvest Moon on the Nintendo 64...
deep glen
Animal crossing is less than 5% of what stardew valley is. so if you feel like SV misses things, AC is a barebones skeleton
north torrent
I don't think Animal Crossing is for me. I might try it out just to see what it is like when I get my Switch, but it doesn't seem to have any emphasis on dialogue or character development.
Which is incidentally the area where I feel Stardew Valley took a step backwards from previous games in the genre that are over a decade old now.
The amount of stuff you can do in Stardew Valley is quite impressive, I see a lot of potential not reached...
deep glen
the only thing redeeming about animal crossing imho are the memes and the doom/ac mashup jokes
if it was not nintendo publishing it, people would flame the developers
north torrent
I sort of want to make a very small slice of a farming game.
But not a game that rewards you for creating a mass production factory farm.
Something with a focus on farm to table cooking and the close connection between the things you grow and then things you make.
Not a Farmville or a Stardew Valley where you have 40 different machines on your farm to make different products like it is a factory.
Just a few simple things, and a focus on quality and craftsmanship.
It's just brainstorming in my head, not totally sure how I could actually fit that 'feeling' into a game people would want to play.
Something like, 'How can I make the best spaghetti from scratch' to get the most points for that season or whatever.
tulip orbit
stardew valley meets overcooked?
pearl elk
mountain dew and doritos
north torrent
Like Stardew Valley, but quality over quantity.
Smaller and more personal with ever step.
wheat narwhal
I loved Stardew... I still haven't stashed enough bombs for a third attempt at reaching the bottom of the Skull Cavern though.
north torrent
Less emphasis on growing 4,000 tomatoes to get filthy rich, and more emphasis on growing just a few perfect tomatoes for your pasta sauce.
pearl elk
I already do this in my veggie patch
tulip orbit
In all my hours of playing stardew valley, i've only made about 2 recipes
north torrent
I just feel like Stardew Valley lacks in story or a personal touch to the things you do. It feels kind of like mass production to me.
Just hoard 20 of the same item and give it to NPC every day. NPC now likes you...
wheat narwhal
I'd really appreciate someone bringing me diamonds twice a week. XD
fathom wadi
I'd settle for an ounce of finest herbal remedy right now :p
north torrent
I want a cheeseburger.
pearl elk
you'll have to grow one
north torrent
How do you grow cheese?
tulip orbit
cheese tree
north torrent
Is that how they do it in Spain?
tulip orbit
its why cheese is so expensive, falling cheese wheels kill dozens every year
fathom wadi
everything is expensive because the rich corporate whores of the planet decided to mark up everything over years so we are bled dry of our slave wages.
Film at 11.
fathom wadi
Governor of New York explaining that they need ventilators, and the companies have marked the price up 25% since 2 weeks ago. When will the rich and corporate understand, money doesn't mean anything anymore.
pearl elk
you know who they need the ventilators for though right?
all the stock market brokers who are getting infected 😛
fathom wadi
aye. He is currently talking about socialised medical systems. No more private, individual hospitals. Every hospital needs to be part of one system now. If one hospital is overloaded, move to the local nearest one. Etc. Thing is, we already knew that was the way to do things, but the corporations don't want that. They want to fleece the insurance companies and markup the medicines to recoup private investments. It's a rich man's system in that sense. No affordable care for the impoverished. Thats why the core fundamental roots of the NHS are so correct. Yet we have let the corporations and corporate government sell it over the years. Now it's gonna come back.
north torrent
Eat the rich!
fathom wadi
cant they are infected too
north torrent
Can you get maga-virus from eating people?
fathom wadi
yeah
pearl elk
they can if you bite them with infected flesh on your teeth 😛
fathom wadi
why do you call it maga virus btw?
pearl elk
because its making albania great alpacas
north torrent
Maga, as in Make America Great Again.
The guys wearing red hats that think social distancing is a hoax.
fathom wadi
its unfair to associate a genocidal virus with those dicks tho
north torrent
It wouldn't have spread if the orange man in charge didn't ignore it for 6 weeks.
fathom wadi
aye his army of influencers should be shot
north torrent
Could have been like South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and all those places that contained it with minimal cases.
fathom wadi
everyone except Asia skipped a beat on this one though. The WHO were warning a month ago at least. I guess people just don't believe it will happen to them in the west.
pearl elk
army of magats
north torrent
Germany is doing pretty well at controlling the cases.
But should have done better considering the head start they had.
Obviously China had no warning at all, so Wuhan was a total disaster. But many Chinese cities did a very good job of containing cases and not having it balloon like New Your City.
But in the US you had tRump calling the Corona-virus a hoax made up by the Democrats to make him look bad one day. Then literally two days later calling a national emergency.
That's when all the Maga people went out and bought up all the toilet paper. The exact day tRump decided it wasn't a hoax anymore.
People like me were stocked up 4 weeks before that day.
fathom wadi
here we basically had to self-exclude before the government said so. The school were going to fine us for keeping the kids off school, the day after closed the school. Because if you wait for corporations to tell you what to do (that includes the government that is technically a corporation in the UK) then you become their collateral damage.
north torrent
The US leadership just keeps sending mixed signals to the people. That's why it has become a debate whether or not we should social distance or just all go back to work and let grandma die.
It all comes from super weak leadership at the top. Leaders that care more about personal ego than leading the nation through a crisis.
fathom wadi
They are corporate though. The world is a business, Mr.Beale
north torrent
But most people are afraid to do anything about it.
Nobody wants to help me build guillotines.
fathom wadi
Im gonna start a new gang called "The Cleaners". We will go around in hazmat suits with Flamethrowers.
north torrent
How will people know who you are?
fathom wadi
to be fair im not. im probably just gonna die being in a high risk group :p
north torrent
This is not going to be the thing that kills me.
Maybe the alcohol will. But certainly not the Maga-virus.
fathom wadi
oh it wont kil me either. Taking myself out before that happens.
raw raven
That’s pretty cringe not going to lie
fathom wadi
well maybe to you
raw raven
Of course, but I’d bet it is to others as well
fathom wadi
well fuck them too. Easy game.
north torrent
I'm just glad I got out of the US when I did.
tulip orbit
pretty bad when you're safer in china
raw raven
You’re not actually any safer in China, no one knows the actual amount of infected people. You can also get infected again, it’s not like a once and done thing lol
north torrent
Shanghai is a relatively safe place to be right now. They have a pretty good handle on the number of people with the virus.
tulip orbit
so they say
plucky pagoda
There is absolutely no evidence that you can get infected again.
north torrent
There are a lot of things you can do to track this stuff, and you can have very strict protocols for people entering a city.
It isn't a simple kind of thing where you just need one thing to solve the problem, but you can certainly track and control this stuff.
It is easy to sit there on the other side of the world and say, "China is just hiding cases, they don't really know how many people have it". But that isn't true at all.
If there was an outbreak in Shanghai people would be coming down with the virus.
People are not coming down with the virus. Every new case has been people from other regions or other countries. There have been 19 of those in the past 2 weeks, each of them was quarantined before they had a chance to spread it.
One of the things they are doing is using an app to track people's locations. If someone comes down with the virus, then the app adds it to the alert level of other people who shared a location with that person.
People who have a red or yellow alert level are not allowed into public restaurants, even if they have zero symptoms.
The app in and of itself isn't going to guarantee anything, but when combined with other methods it makes a system that is working quite well.
ancient ingot
👍
north torrent
They know every flight I have been on and what seat I sat in.
If someone in my row on the airplane was reported with the coronavirus, then they would flag me for further watch.
Because I have zero symptoms or zero contact with confirmed cases, I was moved to 'low risk' quarantine.
But since I came from the US and was traveling with people from all over, I still have to stay in mandatory quarantine for 14 days. You never know if I have the virus but it is dormant but I could still spread it.
14 days is what scientists have said is a safe amount of time to guarantee any virus you had is now dead.
primal spoke
I think some countries are not as transparent at disclosing their actual numbers
US less than a 3rd of China population and with advanced warning. Now more cases?
Yeah right.
carmine frigate
@north torrent how many times u got tested allready?
plucky pagoda
The math was pretty straight forward. We knew the US was heading here for over a month. China acted much faster, the US still isn't doing even half of what we should be doing.
primal spoke
How could China have acted much faster when they didn't even know it was a thing?
They suppressed the facts first when it did start becoming a thing.
Information suppression was their first action
plucky pagoda
They put Wuhan on lock down Jan20th. We knew then this was likely transmitting among the population in the US.
plucky pagoda
I'm not saying they're great. I'm saying they acted more decisively than we did.
primal spoke
How?
plucky pagoda
We're still fighting with governors to lock down some areas.
We were still holding large rallies 15 days ago
primal spoke
How is denying its existence and forcefully surpassing information decidedly better?
plucky pagoda
You're putting words into my mouth.
primal spoke
Surpress not surpass
plucky pagoda
I said they locked down wuhan on jan 20th. They also implemented massive testing
primal spoke
Auto correct
You said they acted more decisively right?
At what point?
When they couldn't suppress it anymore.
plucky pagoda
I'm not excusing their behavior there. I'm saying once they recognized the problem they responded better. They started massive lockdowns on Jan20, and implemented massive testing and retesting
primal spoke
If it would have been acknowledged from the jump many countries would not be in this situation
plucky pagoda
We've known about this since Dec/November of last year. It's not that we didn't have the info.
primal spoke
China silenced the doctor who discovered this
Silenced him...
It doesn't excuse stupid behavior, but my point was I strongly believe there were many more cases in China than reported.
plucky pagoda
I'm not excusing that. There are likely many more cases than that. There's a big difference between confirmed cases and the actual number of infections. It's likely there were many times the number of infections than what's shown by the # of confirmed cases.
That's one reason anitbody testing is so important.
primal spoke
gtg... I'll be back later.
zinc matrix
I MIGHT have just accidentally created a good enemy spawner LOL
so bascially in my level bp i have a event on a timer that spawns a enemy outside your house. So i played my game through my editor, and it spawned like 6 outside each window... that was exactly what i was looking for LOL
zinc matrix
we know @solid aurora start at page 18 https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller Foundation.pdf
raw raven
@plucky pagoda there were a few articles about people previously infected recovering, testing negative then are now getting infected again. Not showing symptoms but carrying it which leads to others getting infected.
plucky pagoda
No.
That's misrepresenting it.
People who were infected had a negative swab after recovery and then a positive swab.
It was a false negative on the previous swab most likely which is not uncommon. There is absolutely no evidence that supports the claim that people can be reinfected.
raw raven
Might have overlooked the wording but what I remember reading stated they were tested positive to begin with then recovered, then tested again after recovery and tested positive again.
fluid bloom
I remember the same, the difference was that the first swab was an oral swag while the latter one was an anal swab
😛
raw raven
But considering there’s problems with the testing to begin with you might as well flip a coin to test it
primal spoke
@solid aurora who said it was a hoax?
I've been in quarantine for over 2 weeks now.
solid aurora
Trump
soft night
we are quarantine streamaid
raw raven
Most republicans
soft night
we rule the galaxy
raw raven
Highly religious people who claim having faith can protect you from it
mossy nexus
Been more than one family in the USA who have been jailed for letting someone die, claiming they thought prayer would work so didn't take the sick/injured person to hospital.
raw raven
The worst are the idiots out there licking stuff all over the place
carmine frigate
survival of the fittest right there 😛
novel latch
bro, these automative materials are tanking my poor i5 :/
median wraith
Okay the country just shutdown services that aren't essential
means you can't get packages anymore from Amazon
🤖
carmine frigate
but you can still order essential packages?
median wraith
just food
plucky pagoda
Delivery services are usually considered essential
plucky pagoda
Where are you?
median wraith
Spain
plucky pagoda
Ah,
carmine frigate
it was allready sux there b4 corona 😛
novel latch
amazon not essential? 😮
plucky pagoda
That sucks. Amazon and preordering groceries has been our lifeline
I'm ordering a ceiling fan right now rather than go to the store.
median wraith
USA took our first place dammit you
plucky pagoda
We're f'd
plucky pagoda
I'm in Ohio though and the Dr. in charge of the health department shut us down early. I mean not super early but earlier than most.
The numbers here look like we might not get as bad as everywhere else
plucky pagoda
We're f'd since nothing is happening on the national level. Each state is doing something differnt.
soft night
hevedy its the list where you dont want to be
plucky pagoda
One governor override local stay at home orders.
soft night
in top
plucky pagoda
Hell, a few weeks ago when everyone knew this was coming they were still holding presidential rallies
carmine frigate
thing is , its really bad for some ppl and really booring for others 😛
median wraith
118,592 cases means about 10k deaths on long road near basically confirmed
plucky pagoda
It's going to be a lot more than that.
median wraith
yeah that just the start point of the contagion
median wraith
that comes in a future DLC @carmine frigate
plucky pagoda
New York is bout 55k of those cases and we have at least a dozen places about to become New York.
carmine frigate
2021 here we come 🙂
median wraith
I mean right now that we are all at home
its there really a militar countries control or space control ?
carmine frigate
also have to be carefull with the ppl that clap together at a certain time
thats chaneling mass hysteria
its all fine now but soon they might round up the non clappers and put em in camps 😛
seen it happen B4 in salem 😛
zinc matrix
WHO is they?
carmine frigate
the clappers 😛
zinc matrix
NWO just become more real than ever https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Gordon+Brown
check headline articles
carmine frigate
a global gov
median wraith
COD4 the original one from 2007 still online with 64 players servers lol
carmine frigate
well to be honest its really messed up, if every country handles this their own way air traffic wil exclude countries for years
100% lockdown is useless when the country next you you lets it run wild
novel latch
guile's theme song is still not the national anthem for america, I don't believe in a global gov
carmine frigate
i like the idea
startrek 😛
kill virus and explore space 😛
altho everything thats close is basically shit planets 😛
call me old fashioned but if it doesnt have an ocean with water in it it just sux
hmm if i want to animate a tripple summersault or something do i move the root bone?
novel latch
I know what a cartwheel is 🤔
carmine frigate
a front flip
anything that flips a full round
good anim tuts are hard to find, i allready know IK setups and how to rotate a bone 😛
novel latch
anim tuts for 3d software or in unreal?
fathom wadi
why would mocap help him learn to do it though?
carmine frigate
a lot of stuff isnt mocapped
fathom wadi
better to just learn it
novel latch
it's the answer for why there is not many tuts
fathom wadi
ahh i see
novel latch
how many people do that?
fathom wadi
<- 😉
novel latch
then I bet these guys got big egos and don't like to share
fathom wadi
I use mocap very seldom because I dont have the mocap and cba cleaning up other people's. So I just always end up with keyframe/interp setups. Usually between poses that can be done in UE4, but its not perfect that way
novel latch
I love you marc ❤️
fathom wadi
depends how quick and well done I need I guess
thin storm
I heard all fortnite animation are keyframed. but dont know if its true.
if you have a good control rig you can do really good stuff.
and a good animator of cause. lol
fathom wadi
yeah a lot of the time it takes building it yourself to really get it done too.
The rigify stuff in blender is great for people who don't want to bother though. I mean, not every animator is an actual animator. They are just doing it because they need to at the time
carmine frigate
w8 wrong 1
its really dope , but that VR editor is fighting me every step of the way 😛
fathom wadi
are you doing some kind of virtual production thing?
carmine frigate
nah thats even more shit than the normal VR editor pawn 😛
fathom wadi
its bad enough working with VR nevermind IN VR. I'd probably go mental after a short time
carmine frigate
yea its also pretty cool cuz its 3d tho, and the motion controller is great for rotating bones in 3d space
and camera movement is also pretty good
like it follows ur head
can also use it w/o VR
fathom wadi
When those neural interfaces are a bit better, it might be really useful to compliment it
carmine frigate
but thats booring
but i cant delete my keyframes in vr, its super sux
its delete in normal viewport but in VR it wants to delete my target actor from the level 😦
its inconsistent
i remeved a bunch of editor hotkeys and crap to make it semi usable
i might make a UI with save pose and mirror pose but i dunno
i should prolly know how to make a good animation B4 i make a UI to make animations 😛
and animation chat is just ppl with horrible deformations 😄
zinc matrix
hi
zinc matrix
i bored
median wraith
what is more visually heavy for you prolonged in the time; a colorful scene or a scene that have huge blacks and colors contrasts
median wraith
@zinc matrix so whats worst then ?
carmine frigate
low fps
zinc matrix
low height
carmine frigate
its allwas worse
zinc matrix
(if you are male)
now i regret downlaoding all my animations in 24fps instead of 60fps from mixamo 😄
but i wont be able to find them again...
tough sierra
depends on the person probably.
if you want statistics no clue.
colorful scenes were pretty common in game cube and n64
however they were often done with smooth meshes.
personally i found them charming especially for longer durations.
they were also common somewhat in older games before 32 bit colors, if that's what you mean by colorful. doom may look nice even today though that may be that it's vert counts were low and all the entities were sprites.
median wraith
colorful in whites and colors, no dark areas at all
tough sierra
legend of zelda: ocerena of time
median wraith
I think I get worst myself the huge blacks tone differences
median wraith
greece
median wraith
no, just burger king
zinc matrix
are you scared?
median wraith
always I see you in here
zinc matrix
yes
im scared
of coronja
i think my dad infected me
the saddest part is that he was coughing on me as "joke"
tough sierra
only people really in danger are those with life threatening health conditions and the elderly.
tough sierra
it's a sister strain of the flu, just one that there's not a natural immunity for.
zinc matrix
yeah
totally different woman
so its SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST
i fight coronja with pushups
and cold showers
oblique trellis
things went from the apprentice to survivor
tough sierra
honestly your statistically more likely to die by a car accident is my guess >.>
mossy nexus
yeah, but you can't catch car accidents from someone else and infect another person with a car accident without knowing...
mossy nexus
no it's not.
tough sierra
one with no known immunity built against it and a delayed incubation period.
statistically how many youth die from it compared to those that were known to catch it?
mossy nexus
Seasonal flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%. COVID19 is 3% Currently there isn't enough data to fully know. Yes older people are more likely to die, but many younger people are dying.
zinc matrix
statistics mean nothing for individuals. maybe only less than 1% of deads from coronja are below 30 year old. so what? maybe you are there. then you ded
mossy nexus
If I gave you a bag of skittles and told you 3% of them will kill you, you'd not risk eating any of them.
tough sierra
to be honest i'm just tilted at the hysteria, maybe unreasonably tilted.
mossy nexus
Yeah, hysteria doesn't help anything.
mossy nexus
no. it's 3%
tough sierra
though russia isn't reporting much and for china it's all in one area.
if you look at the cell itself, it does look very much like a flu sibling.
honestly it may have more danger than I suspect, though people's reactions i find a little gross, especially when people start acting like they literally want the world to end, and are making up any excuse to justify it.
tough sierra
a city near me has supposedly stopped offering emergency help for trespassing.
tough sierra
the price of fear seems to be death, people make stupid decisions when scared.
tough sierra
if you want to increase your odds of survival and grow wise, my perspective is that you must learn to get over fear and look at things logically.
carmine frigate
my sister lives in another part of europe, usually a 10 hour drive, now its 3 totally closed borders
zinc matrix
hehe all that because someone wanted to eat bat for dinner https://i.imgur.com/p5Djbdx.png
carmine frigate
its weird to think about
primal spoke
My fear is spreading it... not personal consequences of catching it
tough sierra
didn't the uk have a rather delayed response? i remember reading that they wanted to build a
"hurd immunity"
primal spoke
I'm concerned about the vulnerable
tough sierra
at least that's empathic.
primal spoke
Kid with asthma
zinc matrix
yeah they wanted
and killed many with that mistake
and now their hospitals are full
carmine frigate
yea, i wasnt planning on goin to my sister within the next 6 months but still its so far away now
zinc matrix
but do you love her
carmine frigate
its more like if my mum gets sick now she wont be able to come
zinc matrix
so no love?
carmine frigate
when a few weeks ago it would cost a 50$ plane ticket and u can be there in a few hours
zinc matrix
oh i see. in separation
carmine frigate
thats quite the change
tough sierra
i can't even work for two weeks since i had been sick for a short while. just a sore tonsil and headache/fever from not keeping humidity properly high in the apartment.
signal citrus
plane tickets are still cheap.
zinc matrix
sounds like coronja
carmine frigate
lol
tough sierra
how the heck are they so cheap there? it's outrageously expensive here.
signal citrus
27 dollars for me to go to east coast, thursday
carmine frigate
yea austria is super closed down tho
tough sierra
which one?
tough sierra
ah interesting.
carmine frigate
its diffrent countries with diffrent rules here
basically all tourists got kicked out there
it wont be closed forever tho 🙂
tough sierra
i asked something similar in marketplace but wondering how many indie devs would like plugins that enable them to do harder genres like rts, openworld, or crafting as well as some articles explaining the performance research i've been doing, since i've noticed a huge lack of information.
signal citrus
lol i could fly today and come back tomorrow for 35 dollars
carmine frigate
inside us?
signal citrus
ye
tough sierra
Inside the US?
signal citrus
didn't realize it was that cheap
but yeah travel outside of the us is banned right now, or something
carmine frigate
well some places some ppl
primal spoke
Did India really get 4 hours before total lockdown?
tough sierra
i looked at crossing over to another side of the US and thought it was about 200 one way.
signal citrus
from mn to ny its 35 dollars to leave today and return tommorrow, 200 is still very cheap though
tough sierra
is there plugins in the marketplace that help with performance to enable deving in more difficult genres?
i've not found any yet.
carmine frigate
lol ur goin to NY and back for fun ? 😛
tough sierra
cheap my ass that's like 3 months of excess if i'm lucky.
signal citrus
nah owninator
carmine frigate
thats not the place to be i heared
tough sierra
ny is pretty infected and besides it already has poverty and... attitude issues.
signal citrus
in general, not the place to be
carmine frigate
yea plane tickets within EU was dirt cheap aswel
cheaper than train and car
normal fuel efficient car 😛
signal citrus
its 10 times cheaper than shipping though lol
carmine frigate
was like 40 to austria and 180 with train
signal citrus
i wonder what the margins are that they can survive at that low
median wraith
here the public transports don't accept money in hand
other than cards
since the virus
median wraith
yeah I won't use that
the bank forces to use their apps now
Well I don't want to know what could happen if someone lose the phone lol
carmine frigate
i think there is something with taxes on fuel for planes
median wraith
the banks unlocked extra credit payments this days without enter the code
its xmas for hackers
carmine frigate
but i have no idea
primal spoke
Samsung pay is convenient
carmine frigate
they be dirt cheap
median wraith
@primal spoke I'm too old school for some things
tough sierra
and people don't even question automation >.<
i like convenience and all as everyone else but still.
carmine frigate
planes take you 1500 km for the price of 5 pizzas 😛
median wraith
well they use the phone and that for everything
tough sierra
i'm biased as i don't own a phone, can't see them well enough to use them anyway, besides maybe just calling people occasionally.
carmine frigate
and u get too eat a pizza on the plane 😛
median wraith
bet this days they can compete at home with other players with the satisfyer in some leaderboard
wasn't there some place where the people have chips ?
tough sierra
oh yeah
tough sierra
for some company, they took a survey with their employees and went with such a system to let them unlock facilities like the bathroom. toooootally worth it >.>
median wraith
I was in a place where they had Google Assistant and that thing spy us and literally put us ads in the computers about what we was talking about
tough sierra
not linking everything to gmail and using private browser windows does help a ton.
has other benefits to.
like being able to search things without your history cluttering your results.
primal spoke
There is no sanctuary unless you go completely dark.
tough sierra
it's for sure not perfect but it's a lot better.
it's sad but a lot of the internet depends on ads, and ad companies are combating fraud all the time, personally i'd never put an ad on youtube or facebook or most websites if any.
primal spoke
I have
tough sierra
i think the privacy invasion is somewhat a response to all the bot fraud.
primal spoke
It does feel like fraud on FB
tough sierra
so in that case you want to hit a target audience, that's natural.
median wraith
I had the other day an app in the computer shared with the mobile
and the app in desktop was telling me my phone is out of battery lol
primal spoke
But bots are like a cost of doing business, tbh
tough sierra
fair.
primal spoke
It's like HFT machines in the market
tough sierra
i don't use phones enough to comment but i do hear that they really aren't very locked down, and my experience with them, is that they don't seem easy to control.
at least by default.
primal spoke
Skim a bit here, skim a bit there and try not to be too obvious.
tough sierra
hft?
primal spoke
High frequency trading machines
They skim every trade
Like bots hitting ads
Pennies millions of times.
tough sierra
oh yeah
i was wondering if they were legal.
honestly i can't see a reason for them to be, since it's be impossible to really ban.
primal spoke
100% legal, HFT. IDK about bots
tough sierra
i thought those were considered bots though.
hell i was helping someone make an ai that was to detect patterns in the stock market and suggest trading options.
was supposed to read articles across the internet as well.
we never got to finishing it though.
i'd probably have us finish it if i were allowed to own stocks.
primal spoke
Yeah, you can consider them bots. I never thought about them like that.
signal citrus
@verbal junco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBFWcWXGiJo
signal citrus
lol
verbal junco
it looks interesting but I can't help but feel that this is something that kind of looks like UDK kismet
signal citrus
its funny how white the program is outside of it
they made light theme more blinding
i assume it will be integrated into visual scripting in time lol
tough sierra
openFrameworks also has visual scripting, or a plugin for it.
for 2d at least i'd recommend that with box2d, maybe ofxdeffered if you build a lighting engine on top of that to help with cleanup and cameras.
also depending on the game genre and plugin support differences.
i would almost recommend that for 3d to if not the lack of level editing and lack of proper shadows/lighting/reflections.
verbal junco
I detest white themes so much
like I'm already hurting my eyes so bad by looking at a screen
why would you force me to blind myself even more
signal citrus
because you have to pay for dark theme
tough sierra
agreed.
primal spoke
One day in the future dark themes will be a meme.
forest sparrow
Whats everyone up to?
zinc matrix
Feelin huge testicle pain and i think it can be kidney stones?
Man its worst pain ever
fathom wadi
plucky pagoda
Giving up on Predator Hunting grounds since the matchmaking seems borked and about to fool around with a new project testing out random stuff for a while.
forest sparrow
Nice! Also that looks pretty cool @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
yeah makes me think, how much of this can chaos handle
plucky pagoda
Ok that video makes me feel like I've spent the last 20 years playing with crayons.
forest sparrow
I think it's more how much can your hardware handle 😄
fathom wadi
I've always had an interest in realtime fluid dynamics yet I don't really have the capacity for the high end maths. So I look at it and pray the tech for game engines catches up 😄
tough sierra
Chaos isn't meant for fluids pretty sure.
fathom wadi
yeah thats what made me wonder though. Because with Niagara interaction, the gpu handles the particles
tough sierra
There's a special name for this type of physics though I forget, there's one opensource engine that does this, they have a driving simulation with it.
Ah realtime fluid physics that's it
plucky pagoda
Fluid physics has always intimidated me
tough sierra
I could be wrong but it just looks like they are emulating molecules a bit.
Or particles rather, which are bigger than normally realistic.
Actually maybe it's not that at all.
Hmm.
fathom wadi
yeah its all particle sims. It has techniques in there though that you wont see in game engines because its too insane and fractal with the precision calculations. Even self-collision is a taxing trait
plucky pagoda
Could you imagine being able to use something like that armadilo rigged to a skeleton?
forest sparrow
Only time I've seen fluids working relatively well in engine has been with the Nvidia flex plugin I believe it was called
plucky pagoda
I hope I get to see hardware get to that point.
fathom wadi
yeah and Cataclysm that followed. Realflow and Tyflow for 3dsmax are awesome tho
forest sparrow
mhmm
I haven't really worked with fluids too much
I did for a few vfx for a show i was working on
where there was a massive tsunami like flood rush through
flash flood crashes into a bunch of stuff and used Maya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmeleOuB8kw You can see the flash flood here
was a pain haha
plucky pagoda
Oh yeah! Is that a new season:?
fathom wadi
tsunamis are my kryptonite. Always had a fear of them which probably stems from the fact I have always lived by the sea. But even CG tsunamis can freak me out
forest sparrow
Oh did you watch it @plucky pagoda ?
fathom wadi
how rude 😄
plucky pagoda
Nice. It was actually recomended by a writer I know. I watch anything he recomendds
forest sparrow
We used Megascans for some of it
but yeah
it was cool
I've done a lot of vfx for a lot of random shows haha
plucky pagoda
Nice.
fathom wadi
James Purefoy and Michael K Williams... how did that fly under my radar?
forest sparrow
Finally make use of all my game dev skills that have sat on the bench while doing film vfx. Only time I was able to make use of Unreal was for some r & d on star trek discovery and previz on Hap and Leonard and Blue Bloods. But not often.
fathom wadi
second season of discovery was amazing
plucky pagoda
Same. Decided about two years ago to make games and been working with UE about that long. I think I'm finnally to the point I can get serious. Like I know enough to sit down and plan out a whole project now.
forest sparrow
Ayyye thats the one I worked on along with the rest of the studio
But many studios worked on it
not just a single studio
Thats great @plucky pagoda !
I have been working with game engines since 2010, started with Unity 3D for a year then switched to UDK then UE4 as soon as it was available for the $20 subscription.
forest sparrow
hehe I don't blame ya
plucky pagoda
Cool. I've been doing it for fun most of my life. My Dad use to mod games and make them as a side project when I was a kid. So I grew up around it.
forest sparrow
In 2010 Unity 3D you had to pay $250 for the pro version to get shadows in your game lmao
plucky pagoda
But never released anything other than for family to play until last year.
fathom wadi
for $250 I would draw them on your monitor in realtime back then. I ate very little 😄
forest sparrow
I have yet to release anything either. But working with a solid dev team now on a large project
That's going really well
fathom wadi
plenty of talent around thats for sure
forest sparrow
Shameless promotion: https://www.wardb.com/oceanic 🙂
plucky pagoda
Nice. I reached out to a friend a while back who wrote a few of the DND books and he offered to work together on something. I've been reluctant to take him up on it though without a budget for an advance.
forest sparrow
Yeah it's tough
we're all working on a DPP (delayed payment program)
working real hard to get it to a playable demo state for funding
plucky pagoda
I really don't like the idea of approaching professionals with hopes of future payment.
Yeah.
fathom wadi
thats always been my issue. How do I offer nothing and presume it will entice. Simple answer, I dont. I just get on with it until I can 😄
forest sparrow
thats for sure
fathom wadi
Hard to save these days though. Tough times ahead.
forest sparrow
I definitely wanna do a game jam one of these days
Have yet to do an Unreal game jam
which is kinda surprising.... but always seems to come at a bad time
primal spoke
Tough times indeed
plucky pagoda
I did one a while back and liked it. I'm not sure I'll do one again though. The UE jams are getting very "We have a pro team" and are long. No complaints about that, it just doens't appeal to me. I like the one person short time looks like something someone made in their garage
fathom wadi
I would do a game jam but I don't feel game dev needs the extra pressure. I mean, its a test of skills I understand, but the panic and anxiety involved.
People do love a game jam though. Now might be a great time for an official one
plucky pagoda
Yeah, seems like a missed opportunity if there isn't one. CovidJam2020
but then again , a lot of stress all around right now too
fathom wadi
yeah
plucky pagoda
be a good time for something simple and easy, like a bad game jam.
or something totally ridiculous.
like best piñata game
fathom wadi
A collective effort might be good for spirits to alleviate some stress too. Blame it on the boogie kinda deal
primal spoke
I game jammed myself yesterday
fathom wadi
hah you did
forest sparrow
I think they are definitely worth doing regardless of the competition side of things. Forces you to take something from start to finish in a short period of time. You learn to make sacrifices on things that aren't crucial to the experience.
And meet cool people too 😄
fathom wadi
yeah an exercise in corporate speed 😄
north torrent
I would Game Jam if my computer wasn't in a different quarantine than I...
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I learned a lot doing one. And it forced me to package something and put it out there.
fathom wadi
just do it all in pure code with a text editor
fathom wadi
mspaint emulator then? 😄
plucky pagoda
I need to befriend more animators. It's what holds me back on every project.
north torrent
Animators are a different breed than artists.
primal spoke
As a programmer
fathom wadi
I am convinced the artist is what is keeping a couple of AAA studios going tbh. Because their games suck often
plucky pagoda
I would love to partner with an artist. I could fly through some games working with someone who could do 3d or 2d art well.
north torrent
I thought about becoming an animator who specialized in complex rigging and skinning.
But I quickly realized that I could either have time for animation or have time for literally everything else... So I chose literally everything else.
fathom wadi
the good thing about animation though, is you learn how to make the computer figure it out the best way for you. So animation gets easier and easier until it's just a mindless grind.
fathom wadi
that too. how much of that CMU mocap has been used you think?
north torrent
I may someday get into doing that... Maybe.
I currently don't have a permanent home though, constantly moving around the world.
plucky pagoda
I do animation like a comic book. I make a bunch of poses that you would see in like the marvel style of art books and then start tying them together. But it hurts my brain to animate. I would much rather work on some kind of procedural generation or a game mechanic
fathom wadi
Ubisofts procedural animation is looking amazing
primal spoke
Lots of it probably repurposed and repackaged and sold.
north torrent
I liked doing animation back in the day, but I just had to make a choice on where my time was going to go.
And I honestly want to make games, not make assets for games.
fathom wadi
yeah some of them though make your eyes bleed, the thought of cleaning them up made me study harder
north torrent
I want to be working on the big picture, I want to be involved in how all the little pieces come together.
That's why I don't work at AAA studios and that's why I do a little bit of everything.
fathom wadi
Technical Lead at a studio not appeal?
north torrent
I never got the the level where I was a lead.
fathom wadi
Half the people who do it never had the experience either. They have a bunch of experience with a lot of areas though and have to start somewhere.
its just a title tho right?
plucky pagoda
I'm debating starting a survival game but you're a half busted robot.
north torrent
I think I would rather just build up my own project from the ground up.
Of it never takes off and makes me money that is fine as well, it was a fun hobby.
I am by no means delusional about the odds in this industry. I just have a good day job and am not going to cry if I fail, which is very, very likely.
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda did you play Surge ? Do it in that style
@north torrent you can do anything you put your mind to as long as someone else didn't put their mind to stopping you. Then its a face-off situation and you might need backup. But I know a guy....
north torrent
Well, even if I make what I think is the perfect game, there is no guarantee anyone else will like it.
But I could die happy knowing I made my perfect game, but I wouldn't die, because I have a day job and money in the bank.
plucky pagoda
I'm thinking way less serious
north torrent
I also seem pretty immune to the maga-virus.
fathom wadi
With Epic Publishing now, perhaps some of the people here might want to pool resources and start something up. Because the way I see it, nothing to lose.
plucky pagoda
Something like this but third person 3D
fathom wadi
Five Nights at Lemmings
plucky pagoda
Yeah, something to think about at least
primal spoke
You're not immune
north torrent
I'm not dead.
fathom wadi
could be asymptomatic. Hope you ain't.
north torrent
Well, I am here for a full 14 days, so if I am asymptomatic I am not going to be spreading it.
They take all the precautions here.
novel latch
wait what
north torrent
I'm just going to enjoy the little vacation.
novel latch
you guys didnt hear of Stay Safe Jam? @fathom wadi
plucky pagoda
ugh, I need to program this weather radio to not sound the alarm for every single warning.
fathom wadi
I saw a few around but I didn't see an Epic logo
plucky pagoda
Just woke the whole house for a flood warning that doesn't affect us
north torrent
I don't work on teams anymore, Mr. Rogerson. It is just setting myself up for disappointment.
I honestly don't know if teams are any more efficient anyways. They always seem to spend too much time talking about stuff instead of doing stuff.
fathom wadi
Im not a fan of working under someone who doesn't have as much experience as myself, because its hard work when they ignore your advice and later on regret it, but you need a team. I've seen, and tried myself, what solo dev game making takes and it never ends up great.
north torrent
I think that comes down to choosing a realistic scale, Mr. Rogerson.
fathom wadi
yeah of course
north torrent
There is a reason I chose to make what is barely a small slice of a game. Like what would be called a sidequest in a real game.
fathom wadi
it's rarely the most efficient way of making a game though. Waiting for one hand to finish what the other hand is doing makes for a laborious process
north torrent
If people do like my first two games, I plan to hire 2 people, a programmer and animator.
But who knows if people will like what I make.
primal spoke
What are you making?
fathom wadi
Here's a question. When you set about starting to make a game, or a prototype etc. Do you go through the game logic in order, or do you complete features ahead of time?
north torrent
I am just making a 90 minute narrative based game about a journalist uncovering information surrounding a labor strike.
plucky pagoda
I start with the main menu, load and save functionality.
primal spoke
@plucky pagoda no you don't?
plucky pagoda
So once I get going it's ready to be packaged at any time.
primal spoke
You're packaging games that fast?
plucky pagoda
But I've built a thing I just drop into the project that's a skeleton ready to go for that.
north torrent
I have a calendar planning out what needs to get done, separated into 5 different smaller goals each lasting 3 months.
I try to finish all those tasks before I reach that next goal market on say... April 1st.
primal spoke
I like the feature workflow.
plucky pagoda
Package early and often. There's stuff that you might not find wrong otherwise
primal spoke
It works well with teams and git.
plucky pagoda
i package every time I add a feature
fathom wadi
good advice. Having a set of landing stages for your projects is a great way to kill a lot of "down the line" issues
plucky pagoda
ok, not everytime, but big stuff
primal spoke
i package every time I add a feature
@plucky pagoda that's good advice
Each branch should be a feature
fathom wadi
I used to do the menu thing but I was doing so many menus, I got sick of it, so now I leave a blank level in it's place, but I structure things as if it was there
primal spoke
Feature branch workflow
north torrent
I start by just making the core mechanics in a default or grey world. My characters will all be Unreal mannequins until very deep into the process.
I don't do any Zbrush or asset creation until the halfway point of my project.
I build the terrain earlier because I do in fact need to grey box out how the level will be set up.
plucky pagoda
The thing is if you don't add that stuff at the begining, at least for me, it ends up being something that you're always going to get to at some point. and never gets done.
primal spoke
Build a backlog
plucky pagoda
plus once you have menus and stuff you can send someone a basic game at any point to try out stuff
fathom wadi
its not an easy process from scratch though in terms of time invested. So having a generic menu is appropriate too
tough sierra
World war z has cross platform multiplayer? Say whaaaaaat?
plucky pagoda
yeah, I have a generic interface thing for menus.
primal spoke
We used a light implementation of scrum on my last game.
plucky pagoda
north torrent
My dialogue user interface is one of the core elements of my game narrative, so it is one of the first things I need to finish.
It needs to be working by June 1st, 2020.
plucky pagoda
It basicly just puts menus in an array and which ever was added last gets input.
primal spoke
I think kanban boards would help make sure everything is tracking and what not
tough sierra
Doing slotted inventory systems in ue4 isn't very easy at all >.< For another thing loading textures by filepath >.>
From non preloaded assets.
north torrent
UMG is not something I am great at, so it is going to be one of my more stressful tasks.
fathom wadi
I once made a menu system that was self-contained in that it centralized the creation of pages. It was ok until you gave it someone else and they had no idea what to do with it. Then it broke a lot. So I seperated all my menus into as many widgets as possible 😄
north torrent
I have a Kanban board that also tracks the time I work on each task.
plucky pagoda
It's basically just reskinning with what I use. It has menus for networking, loading etc.. then you add those to the main menu
primal spoke
So did you make a backlog and do you do sprints?
north torrent
I'm still struggling on making my menus radial and controlled by a controller joystick...
fathom wadi
my entire coding sessions are sprints.
north torrent
I'm not very good at this stuff...
tough sierra
Is ue4 not meant to support mods like 7 days to die can for example? Allowing people to add new textures and meshes without hassle.
fathom wadi
Me : Hey I see code I can make.
Also Me : Must have it done before I forget how to do it.
Also also Me : 20 goto 10
plucky pagoda
goto!
primal spoke
How long are your sprints
fathom wadi
about a month usually before I crack
tough sierra
I swear the sprints get shorter with age.
primal spoke
A month is kind of long don't you think?
fathom wadi
mine come in the form of 12-16 hour days, perhaps a couple of all nighters, mashed in with trying to do other stuff like real life
a month isn't long enough to me but im only human
tough sierra
I did a game from very scratch that was prototyped, but the sprint was pretty hardcore for 4 months ish.
north torrent
20 minutes...
fathom wadi
I would code all day, every day, like a computer if I could
tough sierra
I don't have it in me to do that anymore, coding from home seems a curse when you eat, sleep, goof off, and work in the same room.
fathom wadi
I remember my first sprint. Lasted 6 months. I went from knowing nothing but some HTML to making Flash applications in nothing but code
primal spoke
That's a helluva long review of what was done
north torrent
I think you guys have a different definition of a sprint than I...
tough sierra
Sprint as in the vast majority of your day every day goes to the project.
primal spoke
@north torrent sprint is the interval of completing tasks from a backlog
tough sierra
Worse than sweshop hours sometimes.
fathom wadi
@tough sierra I have 5 kids. It's like a psychological horror about a guy in a loop of saying "what was I doing again?"
plucky pagoda
yep
primal spoke
5 is 3 more than me.
plucky pagoda
My life is so much easier since the 18 year old moved out.
primal spoke
You win
plucky pagoda
only 3 in the house now.
tough sierra
Nice that's one sentence gone.
north torrent
A sprint to me means the amount of work you do before you do anything else... like eat food or check your Discord or stretch your arm...
So generally it means, for 20 minutes I am going to do nothing but work on blah blah blah, then I will take a 5 minute break and go for 30 minutes of complete concentration.
fathom wadi
my eldest is 21 and is like a standard 21 year old. Obsessed with taking pictures of the back of her phone.
fathom wadi
damn I wrote an entirely wrong word there.
plucky pagoda
yeah 20 minutes is way too short for me. You need that deep focus that takes over
tough sierra
Used to use weed to help with that, decided to quite 😛
fathom wadi
thats never good for my memory, but typing the wrong word entirely is a bit odd, then again I dont look at what I type until im done
tough sierra
Ey we relate.
primal spoke
@plucky pagoda since we last spoke US added like a few thousand cases
plucky pagoda
At current rate it'll be like another 100k in a week maybe more. We've been beating the models, so yeah
primal spoke
Us death rate isn't as high as some places
plucky pagoda
In Ohio at least we seem to be doing better than the modeling suggested. I think it's to the credit of the health director for shutting the state down when we had like 10 cases
fathom wadi
@primal spoke hope it stays that way. The whole thing is freaking me right out
primal spoke
Texas still not shutdown
plucky pagoda
It's too early for the death rate to kick in.
This week is when people on ventilators will start dieing more.
primal spoke
But I've self quarantined for 2 weeks already
plucky pagoda
it's going to be a bad week
fathom wadi
the UK hit over 1000 dead today. It's been doubling each day. Which if you think about the maths, takes less than a month before it hits 1 million.
plucky pagoda
we hit 2100 today
primal spoke
All because of ventilator shortages?
plucky pagoda
yeah, it could be another 1000 tomorrow. It's the trend though rather than one individual day that matters.
no
not yet
fathom wadi
ugh 10 days if it doubled each day. Insanity
primal spoke
So wtf?
plucky pagoda
it will be in another week or less though in some places.
primal spoke
How is it killing people
plucky pagoda
This has a high fatality rate.
1% IFR across 20 to 100 million people is a lot of dead.
3-5% CFR
fathom wadi
Here I am, immuno-compromised with a scarred lung from previous pneumonia. Just waiting for each tickle and cough to be the one. But que cera
primal spoke
I thought it was respiratory
tough sierra
Shutdowns do hurt economy, i hope famine won't be setting in.
plucky pagoda
A lot of people don't ever make it off the ventilators
primal spoke
Like stopping people from breathing
analog hamlet
when a person dies of any cause but had virus in his/her body can end up on the list
primal spoke
Interesting
fathom wadi
yeah they might be added but a good coroner will notice the cause if required
plucky pagoda
Anyway space lemmings
primal spoke
That is very skewing
analog hamlet
Marc, actually they dont quite have time for full exam. If a person was registered an active case but dies of any cause will end up on the death toll. It's a statistical number.
fathom wadi
yeah corners will be cut in this case I guess
plucky pagoda
Sounds irrelevant to me
fathom wadi
what I did find out that was interesting, is the WHO have an AI system in place that analyzes medical data from across the globe and its being put to use to track the virus atm. Try and cut it off and stem the spread. If it works, it could be the first example of an AI saving humanity from nature
primal spoke
People have to accurately report
fathom wadi
yeah they have another system for that called Solidarity 2, which enables countries to dump their data
analog hamlet
You may consider the possibility of a counter-ai for spreading it already :)
north torrent
China was locked down for almost 2 months. The food supply one became scarce during the initial panic.
Right now you can order any food you need and have it delivered to your quarantine.
So having the economy shut down didn't create famine here, Mr. Koi.
primal spoke
@north torrent so why are you always complaining about cheeseburgers?
plucky pagoda
Let's see something backing up the claim that it's a problem in the data. It's not like a death certificate says Covid19 and there's a difference between respitory failure drowning in your own blood and getting hit by a car whether or not you have it.
fathom wadi
food is practically gone in the shops here. They have limits so you can get some, but try convince them you have 5 kids to feed.
primal spoke
IDK, it's like the marijuana in the system thing
tough sierra
Woah anyone tested this plugin? https://github.com/GameInstitute/RuntimeMeshLoader
north torrent
Because the quarantine staff lets my cheeseburger sit around for 3-4 hours before bringing it to me. And that is beef, can't be left at room temperature.
primal spoke
They used that stat to keep the stigma up
north torrent
There are plenty of cheeseburgers outside.
plucky pagoda
My space lemmings need more bounce
dammit @fathom wadi now I'm going over space lemmings ideas in my head
portal guns, space ships, robot blenders
tough sierra
Vegan ftw 😛
Personally I find it much cheaper to cook with basic stuff like rice/flour/vegies anyway.
analog hamlet
Mike, when someone diagnosed with virus, they open a case for him/her. There's only two ways to close an active case, either the patient being healed or dies. They also work on diagnose all elderly people who may be close to dying regardless.
You can't say it's a problem with data, because it is not. More like interpretation of data.
tough sierra
In the US not sure but russia having very little is hard to believe.
plucky pagoda
Until you can show something in real data I refuse to entertain the idea it's statistically important in anyway.
north torrent
I just made a meatball stew instead. I'll get my cheeseburger in 5 days.
primal spoke
😆
analog hamlet
Mike, you mean you ask me for a proof?
primal spoke
The staff gonna keep it that long?
plucky pagoda
Made spagetti and meat sauce tonight. Cooked extra meat and divided it and froze
north torrent
The meatballs are delivered in a package with ice packs and in a special container to keep it cold for days.
plucky pagoda
will thaw for quick tacos or something later
tough sierra
Wait a sec you actually live in china and can afford meat?
primal spoke
Mao a baller
tough sierra
I don't mean that harshly but that's just not expected.
north torrent
I can eat like a king here, but I do like to save money for my RTX 3080ti and to buy stock in the airlines when they finish crashing.
primal spoke
Hear that, buying stocks and ish
plucky pagoda
refinancing. Rates are bonkers
tough sierra
You making sweet US dollars for the luxuries I bet? If so kudo to you ^-^
tough sierra
Hells yes stocks are perfect to invest in right now.
north torrent
I get paid in RMB, but much higher than the average Chinese teacher.
plucky pagoda
3.25 was today's offer
fathom wadi
Did anyone see that Mark Zuckerberg farted and $25m dropped out of his ass to go towards Covid science? By that I mean treating his friends first?
primal spoke
You think it's going to drop?
north torrent
I got fired in early February, but I bounced back with a job that pays $600usd a month more than before.
tough sierra
Sounds like it's not as poor there as a lot of people think, or i'm underestimating.
fathom wadi
its a big place
tough sierra
Oh nice
north torrent
China?
north torrent
If you count the entire Billion+ people then China is about where Mexico is with money per person.
fathom wadi
my cousin travelled around China for a year, stayed with some families along the way. Said it was the friendliest place he's ever been too.
tough sierra
Yeah the impression with my family at least was that china would be hell to live in.
north torrent
But China has a big gap between first tier and third tier cities.
tough sierra
Oooooh.
primal spoke
Hong Kong is my second favorite trip outside of US.
north torrent
Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, for example are rather rich.
primal spoke
Germany is first
tough sierra
Those are highly populated cities though right?
north torrent
I see people driving around in Lamborghinis and Ferraris all the time.
tough sierra
Highly populated areas where I live at often have worse conditions than the city i'm at now. Example where i'm at now there's only 2k people in the entire city.
north torrent
My old boss sent her son to Canadia for university and she sent him $1,000,000 Canadian Dollars for living expenses...
plucky pagoda
I'm open to being adopted.
plucky pagoda
If it makes it a more attractive offer I am probably only a few years away from needing diapers. You know if she want's that whole parent experience in the deal
north torrent
A lot of the kinds at my school have very rich parents, far more money that I could ever dream of having.
The fact that I am upper middle class here doesn't compare to what they can afford.
tough sierra
I guess most that live there are business owners of some kind.
north torrent
But just like in cities like San Francisco, the extreme wealth on the top is usually on the backs of the working class.
I would not want to be a working class Chinese person.
plucky pagoda
I've had friends with parents like that. They live in their own reality.
fathom wadi
No matter how rich I am, I will always be working class. Until I pay to get my accent changed from sounding like The Hound from Game of Thrones.
fathom wadi
maybe to some. To others it's a presumption of stupidity
my crass language can be a bit much I admit, I try not to do it here but I curse like a soldier
north torrent
If you compare me, a private school teacher in Shanghai, to the average worker in a third tier Chinese city, I make about 12x as much RMB a month.
tough sierra
I suspect the important people you meet won't mind so long as there's no sense of unreasonable aggression toward them.
Jesus.
north torrent
But I am only slightly above average in Shanghai, and certainly not part of the rich class. Just your ordinary upper middle class foreign teacher.
tough sierra
Humans?
fathom wadi
yeah I think that comes across also. Im very determined and straight forward. It could come across as boarish or intense
plucky pagoda
It sounds like fun coming up with ways to destroy them
and crazy methods of moving them around
primal spoke
"Your ordinary upper middle class foreign teacher" sounds funny, tbh.
It doesnt sound ordinary
tough sierra
I can get along with anyone who's not super psychopathic ^-^
primal spoke
Quite extraordinary
plucky pagoda
Define super. like at what point do you draw the line?
north torrent
That was intentional.
tough sierra
Good question.
plucky pagoda
Like American Psycho or Hitchcock Psycho which is lower on the rating system?
fathom wadi
I know that when I was working in education, there was a class system in the college I worked at. One of the tutors was a complete bitch, but her father was an investor in the company who owned the college, so she got away with treating people like shit. She once locked me out of a class for being 1 second late, and I was at the back of the line to get in. But the guy I complained to advised me she wouldn't be reprimanded due to her father. Really annoyed the crap out of me.
primal spoke
Money ,bro
tough sierra
Just more if the person can stop to think about the interconnected nature of people when provoked, that's perfect.
fathom wadi
yeah its never been my motivation so I can't hang with those kind of people
tough sierra
Dang at least he was honest with you.
north torrent
If I went to a third tier Chinese city, people would stare at me and want to touch my hair and stuff. Foreigners are not seen much in those areas and children would constantly be pointing at me.
But in places like Shenzhen and Shanghai foreigners are incredibly common to the point of being boring to the locals.
primal spoke
Money is an indirect motivation for everyone
Greed is not, but money is survival and comfort and leisure.
Security also
tough sierra
It's also the product of wise choices or luck.
primal spoke
For ourselves and those we love
fathom wadi
making more than I need then, has never been a motivation to me. Success with what I attempt is everything to me.
tough sierra
I used to be like that though recently I'd like to take care of some people and invest in things that matter to the wellbeing to others.
Strange how in large places you go just one city over and there's a dramatic difference in culture and expectations.
primal spoke
One city? Try a block or street.
plucky pagoda
I loved that about New York and DC
north torrent
My goal is just to make enough money that I don't have to constantly worry about running out.