30ish i think
#lounge
carmine frigate
the substance stuff looks good if u like that kinda stuff
tulip orbit
me trying to concentrate on gamedev right now https://i.imgur.com/cVy9fjY.mp4
cursive crypt
One of the best things I have ever seen on Twitch.
zinc matrix
i swear cleaning code is harder than writing it..
tulip orbit
thats why you make it neat the first time around
zinc matrix
how im now gonna force certain clean style on all these scripts
methods and variable names
Yeah you are right
tulip orbit
or just use blueprints and eat spaghetti π
neon iris
Gdc rescheduled @bronze axle
https://www.gdconf.com/gdc-summer-2020
bronze axle
@neon iris Heyyy, thanks for the heads up! I was wondering if they were still doing that since they did the online talks this week.
Reading up on it now.
I sure wish there was more info. The page is very sparse. π
neon iris
Ah right, you didnβt purchase a ticket. One moment, will give you a quick paste
signal citrus
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@bronze axle
quiet narwhal
I didnt get that email yet and interesting
neon iris
I opened both links so letβs see how that goes π
signal citrus
lol
quiet narwhal
sigh
signal citrus
πͺ
neon iris
Yep π
quiet narwhal
I cant as far as I know, never got the email lol
signal citrus
i'd give you the link but it probably has my social security number in it going by the length of it
neon iris
Tell me now. Have a link with no confirmation method.
signal citrus
Automation π
neon iris
Also, we wonβt confirm which you decided until 6 months from now
quiet narwhal
I like how its a "$149 Value" when I can clearly get it right now for $99
neon iris
Lol
quiet narwhal
fuck it, to the twitter
signal citrus
πΏ
@late night is streaming but hey, he might like the news that there is some gdc stuff coming too
quiet narwhal
I tweeted @mellow marlin so lets see what they have to say
neon iris
Thereβs also Victor we can poke
signal citrus
@hollow zephyr
quiet narwhal
you would assume he knows but I have a feeling this is a surprise to them lol
neon iris
Bets on that
hollow zephyr
I've been poked
signal citrus
its happened.
quiet narwhal
poor Victor
hollow zephyr
What's the vector?
signal citrus
Oh, GDC Summer
neon iris
GDC nonsense
hollow zephyr
I did see that announcement
signal citrus
we were curious if epic has a stance on attending yet
neon iris
Epic planning on announcing anything in that regard?
hollow zephyr
Ah. This just came out and we need time to make a decision.
quiet narwhal
told ya
signal citrus
told ya
fringe sundial
high chance the virus is still an issue by august, specially on usa
quiet narwhal
Weβre proud to welcome back GDCβs key partners to the GDC Summer Sponsor Showcase
but uh... we never actually talked with them yet
neon iris
One mystery down. There was a suspicion that the event organizers werenβt communicating with you lot
hollow zephyr
They might've and I'm not aware. All I know is that we haven't said yay or nay yet.
signal citrus
community team has a seat at every table in decisions right?
hollow zephyr
I have the king's seat, yes
quiet narwhal
I'm just hangry I should be in San Fran right now hanging out with Victor but noooo I can't because of a stupid virus
signal citrus
I figured
neon iris
The links gave it away π
quiet narwhal
I wipe my machine monthly I shouldn't be bothered by a virus, I am clean!
signal citrus
monthly is good enough
neon iris
Thanks Victor
signal citrus
π
quiet narwhal
yep thanks much for the feedback π
so I wait and see what happens. Might do it anyways just because uh money is already spent might as well hope next year I am still alive. August tho.... I mean its 5 months away but.....
signal citrus
eh kinda in matheww's boat too. would rather let it ride
quiet narwhal
full refund and pay whatever price next year or no refund, get august for free, and next year is paid for
bronze axle
Everything's still up in the air. I'm surprised GDC announced the summer event so soon, but I'm sure they're well informed enough to know the feasibility of doing so.
hollow zephyr
I might be able to get back to you all within the week, but, as a personal suggestion, the outcome of corona and the impact it has on us in the next couple of months to a year is very much unknown
neon iris
Uh huh π
quiet narwhal
I think they kinda had to announce it since they commited to refunds. This is a way to keep part of that money still
bronze axle
What Victor said. Don't expect this to blow over in a few weeks.
quiet narwhal
yep with schools dead for the rest of this school year I am bracing for the worst
hollow zephyr
I'm going to run out of cheese and veggie sausages soon π¦
bronze axle
Even if the worst did somehow blow over in a few weeks, the lasting impact will linger for several months, and we could see more spikes in the future until a vaccine is developed.
signal citrus
well 6 months is probably as far as they could have pushed it
Holiday GDC would be cool tho
Why is there not a holiday gdc?
neon iris
For whatever the reason, meat produce have been bought out. Veggies are still fine though
hollow zephyr
Oh instead of winter celebrations? I'd take that every year over the traditional ones
bronze axle
I think most people are too busy with holiday traditions for a holiday conference to be feasible.
hollow zephyr
"Be the change you want to see"
signal citrus
those people arent me, darn
quiet narwhal
San Fran is already horrible in the summer, it's worse in the winter
bronze axle
@hollow zephyr π
signal citrus
I don't think weather changes over there matheww
hollow zephyr
Wait for it...
neon iris
Tourism
hollow zephyr
G D CHRISTMAS
bronze axle
Hahah yeah
neon iris
How about a new location? π
bronze axle
Game Developer's Christmas.
signal citrus
I'd totally attend a g d christmas special
bronze axle
Featuring the Indie MegaTree.
neon iris
Come hug a panda under the holiday lights
quiet narwhal
@signal citrus oh lordy the weather in san fran suuuuuuucks due to being on the coast... frigging fog and cold and homeless frozen crap everywhere
neon iris
Bahaha
signal citrus
but i'd welcome a location change too
signal citrus
holiday panda hug β
bronze axle
It's 52 and sunny where I am right now. Loving it.
signal citrus
It just seems like sweater weather year round there. but yeah tourism may be up in the summer i have no idea
bronze axle
Things aren't too crazy yet where I live, thankfully.
neon iris
In what regards
signal citrus
sweltering heat and humidity?
stiff crystal
@hollow zephyr can you tell if there will be a stream tomorrow?
I'm assuming no since there's no forum post
bronze axle
There was a surprise stream today, it seems. Didn't see a forum post or warning.
stiff crystal
huh?
signal citrus
bronze axle
I saw a Twitter post from them about Paulo discussing localization tools. Was confused.
Twitter
stiff crystal
also would expect some news about the gdc content that didn't get presented
bronze axle
I'm sure they'll let us know when they're ready.
stiff crystal
like, what's the roadmap for EOS
bronze axle
I get the impression the pandemic has really thrown Epic's plans for a loop.
signal citrus
a multilingual stream? nice
bronze axle
Guessing they had some big stuff planned.
stiff crystal
yeah, not really waiting for anything but some estimate really
they kinda left us hanging after the initial tweet
Unity made their move today
it took them a while too
deep glen
@bronze axle it was pre-recorded
hollow zephyr
@deep glen The "from studio" segment was, yes
But I was operating the rest from here π
Been working hard to be able to do the streams moving forward
deep glen
ahhh
quiet narwhal
whoo!
bronze axle
Yeah, this requires a lot of adjustments from a lot of people to keep things moving forward.
hollow zephyr
I've been practicing on my personal twitch channel, been doing late night game dev a couple of times this last week
FYI; Next week's Blender to Unreal stream is currently scheduled and planned
bronze axle
Nice! People will be stoked to hear that.
I hope you can reschedule the audio stream soon.
hollow zephyr
Yes, we should be able to do that one soon. I've had to toss around my schedule quite a bit.
bronze axle
That's probably going to be my favorite one in a while. π
Line's up perfectly with some work I'm doing at the moment.
hollow zephyr
I'll let Aaron know π
bronze axle
4.25 man. Gonna be awesome for audio! π
4.24 is already amazing for audio, and 4.25 just looks to keep the momentum.
I think Unreal's audio tools are still highly underestimated.
quiet narwhal
should work nicely with the new 3d audio stuff sony and microsoft are hyping up in their next gen consoles
bronze axle
Indeed. π
fathom wadi
any timescale on the Blender to Unreal getting any kind of beta release?
@bronze axle I planned to do some crazy stuff with the new audio engine but got sidetracked as usual, but yeah its powerful stuff. I could create an entire recording studio out of it if I had the time.
bronze axle
Indeed! Could totally build a simple DAW in UE4 at this point.
median wraith
Me an intellectual, adding a custom audio over the audio as not even last changes cover my needs
Spent the last week adding changes from 4.25 into 4.21 audio
pearl elk
damn geforce experience is lame
every time I actually need to update its logged me out and now I cant login cuz the login screen wont show up
oh no better secure my GPU settings, dont want anyone stealing those
fathom wadi
Anyone wanna buy some GPU Sett..... oh hi Mons... didn't see you there.
pearl elk
you know your app is lame when people use a browser to access the same functionality as what your app provides
just wont be the same though
August is next financial year so if youre looking to impress shareholders better sooner rather than later
fathom wadi
I get that a lot with online casinos. Often the apps are utter crap. Slow and painful to use. So I always goto the web equivalent. Where its still crap because its on a mobile. Did I ever mention mobiles suck and I hate them?
pearl elk
Never been a big fan of casinos
fathom wadi
Me neither. I like slot machines tho
not the US and OZ ones particularly though. They are a different breed compered to the rest of the world
tulip orbit
grr... sent pre-alpha of my game to a friend this afternoon. Im having to pry the review out of him... dont know if thats a good sign or not
deep glen
friends generally arent the best reviewers
fathom wadi
dont worry about it. Be glad he's giving it the respect of even taking it. Hes probably sick to death of you talking about it already :p
tulip orbit
no, but he's one of two patrons I have. Its not even itch.io ready, so how do I get a few ppl to try it? Not like I can spam this channel looking for testers
fathom wadi
I worked on a game with a friend and I barely played it. When he released it, I played it for an hour out of respect. But yeah. Friends dont make the best reviewers, especially because they will either criticise you worse than online, because mates, or they will lie, because mates.
I couldn't really criticise the game I worked on because of the effort that went into getting to release with no money and only a few outsourced people. For all it's downsides, he shipped it with over 100 levels. The work involved was ridiculous, and he wasn't even a programmer
tulip orbit
I think i'd prefer rougher criticism than lying... I'm not going to improve by being told I'm already awesome
fathom wadi
yeah you can never hurt me with the truth. I need it to learn and get better. Perspective doesn't come from one's self in all cases. Often you must respect the perspective of another to enforce your belief in your own, or see it for it's flaws.
reading that back, it sounded a little zen tbh. Probably should get some sleep
tulip orbit
I tried napping but failed π¦ Gonna be an early bed for me probably
plucky pagoda
You need brutal feedback. Friends can be too reluctant to do that.
tulip orbit
yeahy
tulip orbit
rewatching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on7endO4lPY
signal citrus
alpine fern
both
signal citrus
thought so
pearl elk
man Doom Eternal feels heaps more like a console game than the previous one
everything feels spongey and imprecise
and ID still cant make games you can alt+tab out of
pearl elk
no hardware mouse
aim assist on by default, huge snapping with glory kills and climbing etc
I feel like a marshmellow man
signal citrus
wasn't a huge fan of the 2016 one, it sounds like they just went more of the same direction?
pearl elk
2016 one felt far more snappier
signal citrus
yeah but glory kills and all that
alpine fern
videos almost look like people are floating now
signal citrus
talking robot people
pearl elk
the glory kills were harder to engage in the other one
this one you just smash the keyboard and you'll do one
It makes sense its abit more chaotic given the theme but this aint chess anymore
alpine fern
the last one was epic so I was hoping for more levels of exactly the same with better graphics
pearl elk
Ive only played about 10mins so far but its not more of the same
the weapons are all different, far larger spreads
take heaps more damage too, health is basically worthless cuz it drops so quick
glory kill and boop, health back up
they shoulda tweaked the drop rates not fuck with damages
signal citrus
too hard
pearl elk
too hard to make it so its not dropping rocket ammo for you when you still got a starter gun
ammo max is fuckin shocking to start with, its like high noob slayer you didnt do shit last game
signal citrus
lol health button easier
pearl elk
Im sure its gonna be fun, just not as innovative and fresh
how to turn off this damn 30fps cap though
ahhah there it is, vsync
signal citrus
yeah idk, fresh is a good way of putting it. the 2016 one just kinda was like: your doom guy and your really mad and angry with your interactions on most everything
pearl elk
yeah it was a fresh take on Doom, not super innovative but it was in terms of pushing the franchise forward
signal citrus
felt a lot more like how people would explain doom being after hearing from a friend i think is what bothered me.
pearl elk
I felt like what they added really fit with the franchise, the mantle, double jump n stuff
and I played Doom straight out of the gate too, none of this nostalgia bubble stuff
We actually had modified DM maps pretty early on we played on LAN, the adults organised it and let us kids play most of the day
signal citrus
Yeah I dunno. Your probably right. Hard to say what they focused on in the first dooms kinda beyond just making something cool.
pearl elk
I feel like lots of people like Doom for the same reason so many people love 70s rock music, because theyre told to
I never had that, no one had to tell me to play Doom cuz its the dawn of a genre cuz I was there every step of the way π
Maybe Valve can use ID Tech to make a HL3 hehe
signal citrus
I think the thing that bugs me is that its dumber than doom was in a lot of ways.
Its more metal and not scary.
pearl elk
Doom was never really very scary tbh
I think Doom 3 took it too Resident Evil, it was always an action shooter
signal citrus
None of these had you using hands to pull things apart and feed them to itselve
pearl elk
They tried to make it scary I suppose but they did a better job of that in Quake
huh, hands
I mean really if Doom went full nightmare itd just get banned
Im not sure where this idea of dumbness comes from though, 2016 had far more Z axis play and challenged me more mentally. The originals were just obscure mazes I randomly found my way through, its not like they required more skill
Either game has the potential for high skill, you just dont need it to beat any of them
signal citrus
wasn't speaking towards skill really but just the comedic take on gruesome violence that brutal doom took seem to be the same route Bethesda designated.
it feels a lot more duke than doom to me i guess, but then its hell on mars etc
pearl elk
Yeah I suppose it is less serious than the original but I think that tone of comedy works good with the senseless violence, Dukes comedy is abit dated now though and comes across as misogynistic. Shadow Warriors humour some how dated better than Dukes
neon iris
Quite a number of titles behind that series as it turned out
Had to double check if it was sfw. Guess that speaks for itself π
signal citrus
Whole franchise is a dumpster fire lol
Just mentioned it because when duke nukem 3D came out right around when quake did, it was the first to really go for pure shock factor as feature. Doom 16 is just kinda orchestrated death after comically orchestrated death
pearl elk
Duke Nukem Zero Hour π
fluid bloom
temporary layoffs, yay
tulip orbit
$4k!@?!
ancient ingot
f*cking in sane aint it
tulip orbit
wish I was hot and slutty, get idiots to send me money
ancient ingot
π€£ yeah im hot, send me $35k !
carmine frigate
somehow i think there was a good reason for the ban
might be some parts he left out
like bein a creepy stalker or something
pearl elk
well on the upside after all this shit no ones gonna be able to afford camgirls so they'll have to get real jobs π
carmine frigate
yea sure, oldest profession (camgirls) is gunna die out π
pearl elk
survival of the hottest
cursive crypt
Dunno. The rise of the new currency TP coins might replace what we have now. Or barter trading.
mint root
guys, have you heard of VR? It's kind of amazing
pearl elk
amazing at spreading coronavirus π
mint root
I just worked up a sweat chopping people up in blade and sorcery, it's unreal
the sense of space in No man's sky is awesome
it's super cool, the whole thing, I love it
zinc matrix
VR? Is this some new model of iPhone? Never heard of it.
@ancient ingot why would anyone donate 4k to her..
i mean im not jealous
but thats waste and irrational spending - he could do so many things with that 4k
yeah, especially that 4k is passe, now that 8k is out in the wild
pearl elk
yeah but think of all the things she could do with the 4k
zinc matrix
I bet she could do even more with iPhone VR
pearl elk
4k buys alot of lollipops
zinc matrix
i need to hop on minoxidil or finasteride and hope it will restore my hair
pearl elk
if i tried to get 4k for code people would laugh at me
zinc matrix
there are many games made by just one person that make money
the most recent that ive learned about is Airmen - made by just 1 person
zinc matrix
How can I code a jumpscare? I have an animation ready and when my enemy catches the player I want his rotation to lerp to face the enemy, keeping the enemy DIRECTLY in front of the player's camera and play the animation
lucid walrus
@soft night Saunas
fathom wadi
@lucid walrus same reason all the gay men are happy in my town π
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0e5m6Ae3MY The future is now.
soft night
fluid bloom
I saw one old lady jamming on her balcony
stiff crystal
yeah, we missed that
soft night
he also had computer issues
bold fulcrum
Bandwidth! Save the bandwidth!
soft night
i need hd for everything
bold fulcrum
For which everything in particular?
fathom wadi
kinda makes you wonder why they made an internet system that can't handle video data and why it's not separated into a subnet to avoid traffic overloading for the rest of it. But you know.... im just a mere mortal, not a corporate giant who installs backbones on the cheap.
plucky pagoda
In the US some of our infrastructure is still dependent on copper hardlines which are older than me.
broken sigil
wish I was hot and slutty, get idiots to send me money
@tulip orbit
Not really true (I mean yeah donating that much is just retarded) , from the stuff I watched she is one of the rare down to earth streamers. Not every female streamer needs to be "slutty" or whatever to be successful
50% of people watching her are 12yo but that's unavailable
tulip orbit
I heard she used to be a cam model, I think i saw the pics once
guaranteed 90% of the people who send her money are cause she's hot
basically what I'm saying, if I started a stream, I wouldnt make anywhere near as much as her cause I"m not a hot female. or even hot..
zinc matrix
or even male
fathom wadi
@tulip orbit Tell Dr.Disrespect that
tulip orbit
I'm an indistinguishable mass of flesh
Theres more successful female streamers than guys, and the guys that do well are very charismatic
I'm not charismatic
broken sigil
I doubt she was a cam model before twitch since she started streaming whe she was 16
guaranteed 90% of the people who send her money are cause she's hot
That is very true, completely agree with that
fathom wadi
yeah its about sales. If you have something to sell, you do well. People who just stream expecting their personality to take them all the way are kidding themselves. Most people are just boring asshats. π The advantage of being to take advantage of horny males isn't just a female thing either. Try being a twink.
tulip orbit
perhaps I'm thinking of someone else shrugs
broken sigil
I have 2 streamers I like watching, her and shroud
tulip orbit
And I'm probably biased cause I dont watch streams at all. Just highlights of when a streamer has accidently flashed something π
deep glen
yea, imho not really the kind of talk that fits this discord peeps.
broken sigil
tulip orbit
want to animate a material param, but dont have timelines
plucky pagoda
You have animations in widgets.
You can use the keyframes the same way you would a timeline
tulip orbit
oh! hey... can access the params there. neat
plucky pagoda
You have most of the same controls as a timeline. A little different but the functionality is there one way or another.
deep glen
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9457497088/h050D4B35/physicaly-broken-hakd-daiv-hear-ganwe-sound-coming-computer-well-wasnt-dad-ocfore-6roke-jan-2020 <_< ive been here
plucky pagoda
That's why the first rule of PC repair is have the customer turn it on and show you the problem before you touch anything.
Second rule is don't work in PC repair.
broken sigil
I had a friend the other day try to build his pc with 0 experience, he broke a cpu pin before asking me to build it for him...
Somehow the cpu still works completely fine, he was probably lucky and broke a ground pin
plucky pagoda
Can somebody reboot my matrix pod and load some kind of utopia for a while. I'm spent on this dystopia sim.
bold fulcrum
not yet.
plucky pagoda
My first build the guy at the parts store shuffled around in a cardboard box full of loose processors. Picked one out and straightened the pins with a razor blade.
No idea why I had to exchange it for another.
broken sigil
Lol
plucky pagoda
But I mean hardware use to be treated pretty rough. I suspect that might have something to do with some of the high failure rates it had in the 80s
Hardly anyone used static straps or anything like that.
broken sigil
I still don't use them π
plucky pagoda
I'll admit I don't either. I have a box full of them and never have. I just put a hand on the case and make sure it's grounded.
broken sigil
You know when you touch something metallic and you get that static shock... Yeah I'm just waiting for that to happen one day
Would jump out the window head first
plucky pagoda
π€ I've had good luck with hardware over the years. Except for a couple of old radian cards and one AMD processor like 15 years ago.
I had a batch of old video cards that all caught fire
literally. like capacitors exploded and flamed out.
broken sigil
In 12 years I only had 1 psu and 1 gpu fail everything else worked until I replaced it
deep glen
I had about a years worth of ut99/ut2k4 maps that where almost done. wanted to back em up (back in ye olde online storage was stupid expensive and rare era) so I purchased a new hdd, plugged it in and fritzed my whole computer.
fathom wadi
When I was doing my diploma, we had a test to run through 10 computers laid out and we had to diagnose them and offer a fix. I went through all of them in 10 minutes and pretty glanced out the solutions. Then my mate came after, and he blew up a processor. He went into removals and I went into this malarky π
plucky pagoda
Oh damn. That's horrifying.@deep glen
deep glen
i miss these maps still hehe
broken sigil
And that 1 gpu gave out a nice puff of smoke lol
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I need to get better at backing up. It's always... I'll get to it next week
fathom wadi
@deep glen happened to me with my first DVD burner. Bought it to backup 4 years of work. It managed to confuse something so bad, it made my hard disk drive arm shatter the disk. I still have it. It jingles when I shake it π
plucky pagoda
I have like 5 to 10 drives sitting around with probably 10 to 20 TB of stuff going back 20+ years I really need to do something about.
fathom wadi
same
plucky pagoda
And DVDs that were copied from VHS recordings going back 40 years. I think I have the first flight of the B-2 on one
fathom wadi
I also have an Iomega parallel port zip drive somewhere with the 10 second clips of porn I used to download at college on the disk. I keep meaning to dig it out and see what I was jacking into back then π
plucky pagoda
A bunch from WPAFB when my dad was lead avionics engineer out there that I've never looked at
like a10 warthog days
broken sigil
You guys are old π
fathom wadi
yeah it was the only way to use the college network to download and they had a 35mb line back when 28.8 was still normal
plucky pagoda
My dad had one of the first camcorders. It was two backpacks one for the battery and one for what was basically a vcr and then a cable that ran to the camera. He recorded every flight they would allow him to from like 1977 on.
broken sigil
Damn
fathom wadi
nice thats archive material then
plucky pagoda
It's a mess. I inherited a bunch of drives, disks, and stuff and it's just a mess
fathom wadi
All I was offered from my Dad's stuff was his banjo. I couldn't take it though. Too synonymous
plucky pagoda
also some enlightening vacation photos
Never saw the man smile like that....
ugh, yeah I need to buy some kind of storage and start backing it all up.
Do people even use DVD drives anymore?
quiet narwhal
we have to now with the streaming bandwith crisis starting
plucky pagoda
We use a local media server.
quiet narwhal
you pirate
plucky pagoda
I buy, but like to have backups in case
When I was younger maybe but today I only keep stuff I also have a legal copy I own. It was all the classes with people who make money from Copyrights though that made me change how I felt about it.
I have mixed feelings about piracy of intangibles. Like when I was younger and couldn't have afforded it, I don't begrudge people like that doing stuff. But today when I can afford to pay for stuff I feel like I should.
fathom wadi
I buy legit software for work, have to really. If I could avoid it, I would. More money for the kids to spend on toilet roll and facial masks.
plucky pagoda
IDK, I've stopped using Photoshop because I don't want to pay the monthly even though I could install CS6 and get away with it.
And it would make life easier for me to do that.
fathom wadi
yeah I do miss photoshop but I ain't buying any Adobe products again. Whoever I work for can pay for it.
plucky pagoda
Paid for a 3 license copy of office 2010 and still occasionally install it.
yeah. I really hate the whole subscription model. They were one of the first big dogs to make a push in that direction
even though it's become somewhat more reasonable I don't like it. If there's a perpetual option along side a subscription it doesn't bother me as much.
fathom wadi
I have a copy of Flash 7. Cost me Β£550, and 1 month later they released Flash 8, which enabled video support, which meant everyone had to upgrade because it was the start of modern video streaming on the net, even though they tried to sell it with a server (Flash Communications Server, or as I called it, pointless because it does nothing you can't do for free)
fathom wadi
yeah they did offer to upgrade me for a Β£199 iirc. But I wasn't paying again, I was a broke student. So I just trialled it for a few years :p
plucky pagoda
One month it should have been free.
yeah.
Windows 10 is the worse mutation of this whole data-mining-the-consumer-is-a-commodity-subscriptions-for-everything monstrosity.
hoary umbra
So cause this guy is here in this server too I thought I'd share how mr BigFish does business. Watchout for him π http://puu.sh/FmRfS/2d6b7ad2c4.png sorry to interject!
fathom wadi
I paid for my Windows 10 and don't feel hard done by tbh. But I know people on trials who have a really hard time with it
plucky pagoda
Looks like a corporate genius there.
Yeah. The whole permanent trial.
You can get a pro key on eBay for like $4.
fathom wadi
@hoary umbra he's not the only one. Lots of people ready to exploit around here. Just ignore them. They will carry on regardless because they have no skills besides being a charlatan
hoary umbra
Oh it's not the revshare thing it's just the
outright calling people names lol
I mean sure but
lol
fathom wadi
its the internet.... you need a backbone for this place
plucky pagoda
We get it. But c'mon anybody with a nick like BigFish is already telling you everything you need to know about them.
hoary umbra
it's fucking so funny.
fathom wadi
I call people names when they insult me for no reason. Gets me banned a lot π
plucky pagoda
I have to reign in the dark sarcasm. It hurts often.
fathom wadi
its usually misunderstood sarcasm that gets people insulting me tbh. I dont come across well in text. In real life im a hoot though π
hoary umbra
When people like this come along it's fun to share
fathom wadi
Just remember @hoary umbra you might be a retard, but you stand to "loose to get thousands of dollars" π
deep glen
wording
hoary umbra
he then promptly blocked me it was so funny.
plucky pagoda
You left out some quotes.
fathom wadi
Well you did waste his time. He has other victims to interview.
plucky pagoda
It just applies across the board to anyone working to make money with intellectual property.
fathom wadi
To be fair, I am from the UK so I would ask a doctor to fix my spleen for free :p
plucky pagoda
It's amazing how all the things that seem like they have to be done now here were evil socialism last week.
They're forgiving student loan interest temporarily. Talking about forgiving 10k of loans per person.
Handing out cash to anyone with less than 70k annual income
We are under the 140k limit for married couples so getting 3,900 under the current plan.
fathom wadi
Yeah the new world is actually a socialist one, that hates itself because they know that in socialism they can have their true control system in place. Im a classic capitalist myself. Modern day neo-capitalism doesn't suit my morality
plucky pagoda
I don't think unhindered capitalism can work in the modern world. There has to be accountability and we have to make conscious decisions about what kind of world we want.
Like here, fracking is way out of control because there's no need to prove it's safe first.
It's causing earthquakes and threatening many of our aquifers.
fathom wadi
yeah thats why I say classic capitalism. The modern trickle down is too little and the greedy gits are scooping up any extra they can get at any opportunity, which makes socialism sound nicer by the moment, but there is truth in all ideologies, we just have to do a mash-up and get the best version
plucky pagoda
Something that can effect society on such a large scale should have to first prove it doesn't harm society.
median wraith
Anybody having problems with chrome ?
soft night
i dont have it installed
median wraith
closed it and at open don't open anymore, at restart the computer the profile is fucked and at close don't open anymore
fathom wadi
We had a fight against fracking in my town. It caused earthquakes and after 2 years or so, they were forced to leave. But the amount of abuse I took for being anti-fracking was silly. Even though the companies hired private security, who then assaulted a woman in a wheelchair who was protesting. Cuadrilla are arseholes.
plucky pagoda
Yeah. It's kind of the natural progression though. Ultimately capitalism results in mergers and a consolidation of industries.
The fracking thing is nuts.
fathom wadi
Im fine with it if they do the correct safety procedures, but its a corporation. They care about profits, not safety.
plucky pagoda
Just how large scale it is
That's the big issue, scale. The scale is so large for so many things that it adds up. The city I live in depends on a few Aquifers.
Ohio has a big fracking problem but because of how large the state is and how much of it is just open fields it's out of sight for most people.
zinc matrix
@hoary umbra idk man he sounded like a scammer
carmine frigate
damn u really missed out there
tulip orbit
stupid apex destructibles. Cant seem to get the glass to shatter. Unless the player walks into it
carmine frigate
just break it with radial impulse or something
tulip orbit
Yup, I've set u p a RadialForce, set it up exactly the same as another BP where a thing breaks. doesnt wanna break
tulip orbit
π€
carmine frigate
my mum just came back with a plane from canada
i heared a plane landed there from madrid, canadian plane, canadian crew and passagers , too many sick and they got send back
thats messed up
glad she made it home tho
its way past closing air traffic
plucky pagoda
ugh... my wife's work was marked as essential services.
Was really hoping they wouldn't be.
tulip orbit
what she do?
plucky pagoda
over simplifying it she oversees labs for Abbott. Mostly microbiology stuff.
But she's one of a few people that have qualifications they have to have on site in order to stay operating.
tulip orbit
ahh
median wraith
Well this is interesting the last COD music composer its actually a woman
thought was Zimmer another time
zinc matrix
i have bad habit of touching my face and biting thumb every 2min
if i get coronja on hands it will get inside my body..
π¦
also my mum is coughing... suspicious...
junior tide
I hope these guys get funded ..
they are pretty close to it
the game looks just beautiful!
I'm surprised that they have so few backers
(disclaimer: I'm not related to them in anyway.. but just as a gamedev I honestly hope it gets funded, because its a awesome game imho)
deep glen
game contains mainly marketplace assets from various low poly packs
having said that, as long as it plays well, all is well
junior tide
the characters are from marketplace as well?
the gameplay is what got me hooked
the polish in mechanics is good as well
deep glen
which imho is more important than if it uses mp assets too obviously
anyhoe, dont know about the characters, but they look familiar
junior tide
they are anime style.. but I think they might be original 'reasonably'
the target is not that high anyway
5.5k is left.. 9 days .. about 20% left
I like others dev succeeding as well .. so I hope it works out in the end for themπ
thanks for the info though
fathom wadi
I hate other devs succeeding, its my time. right lord? Lord? LORD !!!! WHENS GONNA BE MY TIME?
deep glen
Lord: spreads corona
fathom wadi
hah that DLC tho
zinc matrix
@junior tide so this is rts game.. but what are waifus there for?
fathom wadi
My mother is self-isolated atm. Shes 70 next month so eek. Plus she has thyroid issues, so when she last messaged me to say she was isolating for a while I did the only thing I could in such circumstances
and shouted "unclean! unclean!" and rang a bell
she called me a cheeky bugger. #british
plucky pagoda
Idk , that kickstarter hits a few of the things on my check list of avoidance
very carefully selected and limited examples.
median wraith
its the claps time
junior tide
Its not a classic RTS .. like AoE .. seems like the player controls them like turn-based strategy (TRS)
@zinc matrix
@plucky pagoda .. you can check their discord.. they post stuff there.. maybe you could let me know .. and others as well.. if you see more red flags?
plucky pagoda
No profile of who the developer is or what they've done. Which should be on the page.
junior tide
The profile of developers is not detailed.. but its their on the kickstarter page.. at the bottom
junior tide
hmm .. true .. but seems like a yellow flag.. not red yet
I guess I will remove the link just in-case
plucky pagoda
They're the common traits you see in things that never go anywhere.
I mean it could be a great team and turn into the next best game.
But those are things that steer me away.
junior tide
I agree.. serious people should put stuff out cleanly
plucky pagoda
or at least be willing to put your name on it.
solar nebula
Haha. I don't use my legal name for anything but legal documents usually
That's not entirely related to conversation
plucky pagoda
I use my name anywhere that has to do with dev work. I think it's important.
solar nebula
I use my name too, the name by which people call me rather than my legal name from the passport
plucky pagoda
Yeah, as long as it's your identity I guess.
junior tide
I don't hide my real name either .. even though people instantly know that I'm a muslim
AB is my initials
solar nebula
@plucky pagoda You do have a point though, from my point of view - I'm fine with using any names for people, as long as they really commit to those names
E.g. less of a nickname and more of a psuedonym
Though that being said, I'm planning to normalize my legal name so I will just use what was my psuedonym for it xD
Then nobody will have an excuse to keep using my legal name outside of legal contexts
plucky pagoda
Yeah, I'm not saying that's bad. But if you did a kickstarter you should still put some kind of legal name or business entity name on it. It's cheap to register a fictitious name.
solar nebula
That point is 100% true, yeah
junior tide
yeah that makes sense
fathom wadi
I use my real name when I care about my reputation. Because if I use my real name, I'm less likely to absolutely flip out on people on the internet through anonymity. Plus it helps your reputation overall as you are associated with your acts, if you care to be positive about them
quiet narwhal
Damn. Wife got the GDC refund email but I never did. No idea what happens if I never reply lol
fathom wadi
Wish I had the GDC refund email. I never paid to go, but I could use the refund :p
solar nebula
I had a military general call me by my real name and not my legal name :>
junior tide
I would have made the military general call GDC into giving me a ticket, and then a refund later on when I politely refused to go π
carmine frigate
well i dont think ur main char should be MP
fathom wadi
I met a general once. I preferred the average.
carmine frigate
like u cant build a brand on that and not to expensive to get original low poly chars
signal citrus
could try logging in with your account or wahtever on gdc matheww
fathom wadi
or login with someone else's account and take theirs !
I think I'm gonna start selling Vitamin D. Because after "the event" we may all need to REMAIN INDOORS !
LOL 240p. go Youtube.
fathom wadi
no its capped atm
tulip orbit
Just got back from grocery store, two items I wanted were out, but in general the shelves dont look too bad.
was a bit worrying to see all the cashiers wearing masks, making sure ppl weren't standing too close in line...
but atleast I got some cereal and lotto tickets! π
neon iris
Lottos make for good toilet paper yes.
tulip orbit
good dreams to get thru the unemployment
neon iris
The ultimate investment in luck.
tulip orbit
cant win without tickets
signal citrus
toilet paper lottery 
signal citrus
uh
carmine frigate
i have a tree, im growing my own
signal citrus
that backrest though..
fathom wadi
I need handles on my toilet. Im a triple flusher. Need some grip to get going
carmine frigate
there is a process btween tree and paper but ill figure that out later
cant be that hard
neon iris
Just use the leaves
carmine frigate
wow such a delay in my msgs
fathom wadi
it is owinator. I literally shit bricks :p
carmine frigate
bricks of cocaine π
fathom wadi
had this stomach issue all my life. Goto the bathroom maybe once a month on average. I've spent most of my life thinking "well at least I'm going out like Elvis"
carmine frigate
π
fathom wadi
Every few years I goto the doctors and ask "is there anything new for constipation?" and they say "no. eat fibre" and I say "I do but then it stays there and hurts me until I go" and they shrug at me.
I think Elvis' heart issue was more a prescription issue
his personal doctor wrote over 8000 prescriptions for him during his time
speaking of toilet humour though...
I heard some gossip earlier about someone who stole some toilet rolls from their workplace. I said "really?", they said "yeah". So I reported them to the police. It felt like the right thing to do
Tomorrow they are being charged with grand theft arseny
solar nebula
Arseny? ΠΡΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠΉ?
quiet narwhal
@signal citrus There is no actual account for them, its really silly
fathom wadi
its a play on the word "larceny" but using the word "arse" instead. It's a crap joke. I should probably flush my sense of humour.
solar nebula
Oh no, it was good, makes sense
zinc matrix
HELLOU
anyone wanna talk
damn
toilet paper ruined this picture
it gave nice fallout vibes
signal citrus
@quiet narwhal it is funny though. the gdc web stuff feels very much comparable to game developers doing web sites
not unlike bug reports
quiet narwhal
yeah their stuff has always been very flighty in nature, never liked it but never had a problem before.
there isnt even a link somewhere to click on to ask for the refund
spring warren
Is it only me or is there anybody else who thinks that Unreal Slacker is one of the worst things that happened to community around technical questions. It is really great for chatting about unreal but terrible when you want to ask something and let that thread be accessible for future searchers. Questions and answers are almost immediately lost when asked or answered.
fathom wadi
yeah in that sense, everything is lost, like tears in the rain. Time to die.
solar nebula
@spring warren wish discord had a better search feature
I'm not really on the asking side of questions often, but it'd be nice
fathom wadi
I want them to hurry up and make us immortal. I mean, they make it look bad in the movies, but if I was immortal, I could actually believe I was going to finish a game I started on my own.
spring warren
@solar nebula search + some kind of threads. But then it would be interactive forum, what would probably be best compromise
solar nebula
I prefer realtime conversation strongly over slower forum based system
fathom wadi
you can search discord messages btw. they are all public. Its just theres bad search engines for it right now
solar nebula
But threads are not incompatible with realtime conversation
spring warren
Would it help if there was system like current forum, just with realtime replies?
Something like discord but channels would actually be individual questions
solar nebula
I'm going to answer questions in any format and in any media that permits me realtime freeform conversation
fathom wadi
linking answers to questions like stackoverflow would give it some searchability, with the ability to update in a threaded sense later on. But its just down to the search engine. It's coming, don't doubt that, but the amount of discord to traverse requires a hell of a search engine
solar nebula
Places like stack overflow don't feel interactive, I feel like I'm doing someone elses job
plucky pagoda
Ugh walked away to go get some stuff done and forgot OBS was running nothing like ~4 hours of 4k uncompressed video to fill a drive.
fathom wadi
lol
spring warren
Yes, I agree. The fall of common forums is because of their lack of interactivity
lol
including stack overflow
fathom wadi
im a ghost user of stack overflow. I never post there but I thank those that do because it's nearly always useful in some way
solar nebula
I don't get pleasure from upvotes or downvotes, only from direct interaction
But yeah same, appreciate people who leave answers there
carmine frigate
ppl usually dont share their good stuff, they blurt it out in obscure chatrooms when drunk
plucky pagoda
I do like forums better for technical stuff but you don't have things like the lounge channel there.
or at least it's not the same.
fathom wadi
I wanted to be a forum poster, but I was learning myself so I was skimming it to learn from too. I think I've made less than 100 posts since it changed from the old forums
slack and here has been more of a community feel than anywhere else. IRC was cool but its the same as this essentially
solar nebula
I made like one post, nobody gave me emotional feedback from it, so I never posted again π
spring warren
It just makes me sad when I hear from somebody some amazing piece of deep technical information and the source is "i read it somewhere on discord". There must tons of incredible informations which are worth more than Unreal's documentation. But finding it is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Unless you are online when it is discussed
fathom wadi
maybe its meant to be lost. The less people know, the more we can charge for our expertise. Β¬_Β¬
carmine frigate
i studied the ancient texts of discord
fathom wadi
what about datcord?
solar nebula
@fathom wadi lol that'
that's kinda true
I've posted exerpts of code from our game that I wouldn't share anywhere, where it'd stay around permanently
Not that discord can't be indexed or whatever, but that's just enough extra effort
glad parrot
Someone needs to make an AR game where you get points for staying a few meters from your mates.
fathom wadi
Give it another 5 years, someone on Twitter will be digging up a discord message about some game developer, just because they don't like them. Wait... no thats now.
glad parrot
NOW π
fathom wadi
good call
solar nebula
I have nothing to hide about me being a weirdo
fathom wadi
go do it
carmine frigate
good thing im using my grandmothers name
glad parrot
lol, im a lowly FX artist... but one of you smart dudes should π
fathom wadi
me neither BlackFox. I am what I am, as Popeye was gloriously sang, and I try to be a good person so thats all I can do.
I dont try... its not like I go out of my way. I just happen to be one.
got my flaws for all to see but I learn from my mistakes so call me out of them. Other than that, who else are you going to be?
mossy nexus
Well, wouldn't be the first time they've had to deal with a pandemic.
zinc matrix
thin storm
I downloaded the tomb raider game, its not a tomb raider game. more like an endless cutscene with quicktime events.
plucky pagoda
I think both of those have been free on most systems at one time or another in the past year or two.
The second one is fun to play co-op. I play it with my 8yr a lot.
fathom wadi
I always fancied the second one. I liked the first one tho. It was an Uncharted game essentially but I like those.
rare sparrow
quiet narwhal
yep I saw one comparing the USA to Italy on the trajectory
soft night
quiet narwhal
where I live we probably have about half the normal people out so I guess thats a good sign
soft night
when cities look like ghost towns as traffic have being minimized
quiet narwhal
one confirmed and treated case so far
deep glen
its weird to think that looking at the estimates of potential deaths in each country, each death means both a decrease and increase in the odds of you also dying. (decrease because estimated death toll, increase because you still potentially could)
/randomthought
lol
plucky pagoda
We're doing worse than Italy. The numbers are going up faster than they did in Italy. Part of it is artificial since we weren't testing before and still are under testing but the curve is bad for the US. If the current pattern continues we'll overtake Italy in number of cases confirmed in a week or so.
But today we surpassed where Italy was 5 days ago in number of confirmed cases.
red basin
We will soon see true numbers in US. Before like a day ago most places didnt even have access to tests if they wanted to give them, so our numbers were artificially low.
The lead professor responsible for study of covid-19 at john hopkins medical thinks theres already somewhere between 100-500,000 infected in US
plucky pagoda
People still think it's not a problem and are violating the stay at home orders.
red basin
I mean I do too, but only to go get groceries or whatever
plucky pagoda
Yeah, they thought we were at 100k in Ohio over a week ago. Which means about a week before those cases hit the hospitals.
At least they have an antibody test now. Once that gets put in to widespread use we can take more direct action.
red basin
TBH I think one of the best things a company could do to help during this time would be for ISP and cell providers to wave data caps for a month or two.
I mean non-medical. Some car manufacturers are planning to retool factories to produce medical equipment which is pretty rad.
stiff crystal
I think median age of people in italy who died on this was like about 80 years
also 99% of the peope who died on this had some additional health issues to begin with (but at that age that's expected)
pearl elk
That Bing tracker is so broken
plucky pagoda
In what way?
pearl elk
the other day when I was using it there were about 20 USAs
plucky pagoda
They're all like that if you zoom out too far. It's because of how the map is setup.
plucky pagoda
A whole bunch of people in our outer circle of contacts were just told to quarantine.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, It's not public yet but it more than doubles the cases in my city.
pearl elk
people were flying in here from the US as late as early this week
most of our secondary cases came from the UK and US, we got a handle on the Chinese and Iranian ones then boom
it crossed 2 oceans to get to us, sigh
tulip orbit
wet horizon
bought a bottle of water and I was like "nice, it has little sugar" and then realized it indicated the sugar per portion, it had 5 portions
pearl elk
I live on the arse end of no where and we've seen cases nearby too, time to retreat to the desert
yesterday I went into town to do a mail run and I saw atleast 4 elderly people out and about with walkers, not including mopeds
theyre really taking this self-isolation thing seriously
son I was in Nam... aint no Asian gonna keep me in my fox hole ever again
bronze axle
This is the best dashboard I've seen for tracking the pandemic. https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
plucky pagoda
That's the same one I use. Different link but same data.
pearl elk
Im looking for ones that interactive, that can add a certain amout of cases anywhere I click
plucky pagoda
The WHO one is way too outdated
bronze axle
Yeah, I noticed that. Johns Hopkins is generally the most up to date.
pearl elk
that data does look more accurate tbh
plucky pagoda
It's weird though sometimes the numbers go down when they are updating then they go back up.
pearl elk
theyre probably doing some projections as well
plucky pagoda
Not there. That's all confirmed cases.
pearl elk
from what I hear you need to be tested twice with 24hrs between for an accurate result
plucky pagoda
Projections for the US were close to 2 million deaths a few weeks ago and that presumed a better situation than what we have today.
pearl elk
so a positive could turn to a negative or vice versa
plucky pagoda
I wish people would just stay home. We could still change what it's like 3 weeks from now.
pearl elk
my cousins probably gonna get it, she decided to go to the US on her trip and has been out and about sight seeing
but shes a flight attendant not a genius
plucky pagoda
My wife's work is making about 150k tests but they can only process 470 a day.
plucky pagoda
Nice.
bronze axle
A lot of people are trying to pitch in.
pearl elk
oh cool, Razer mask would be good for raves, might get some
plucky pagoda
Yeah. There's still a chance to turn it around.
bronze axle
Which is heartening to see. The more people take it seriously, the sooner we can get through the worst of it.
plucky pagoda
But not much time to do it.
pearl elk
are they RGB masks? π
bronze axle
lol
pearl elk
its all happenin on tiktok
bronze axle
The game industry will only continue to surge thanks to this.
pearl elk
well once we have mapped coronavirus we can engineer a better one for the next surge π
plucky pagoda
The thing I'm must hopeful about is the antibody tests being produced now.
pearl elk
Im actually surprised the internets held up, was waiting for something to fall over in a big way
bronze axle
Streaming services are reducing quality across the board in Europe to keep from buckling.
plucky pagoda
wow.
"To increase access to reliable information, WHO has partnered with WhatsApp
and Facebook to launch a WHO Health Alert messaging service. This service
will provide the latest news and information on COVID-19, including details on
symptoms and how people can protect themselves. The Health Alert service is
now available in English and will be introduced in other languages next week.
To access it, send the word "hi" to the following number on WhatsApp: +41
798 931 892."
wow, about the reducing services. Sorry about the scroll.
pearl elk
I keep getting updates from some US senator, think its phishing but gah I dont care guy π
bronze axle
Honestly, I think the last thing any average citizen needs is a constant drip feed of the latest COVID-19 news. That's where panic and anxiety come from.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, you're right. I just wish everyone would take it seriously. I know I need to try and back off myself. I'm a news addict on a good day.
pearl elk
my Facebook feed is mostly virus
bronze axle
It's difficult to find the sweet spot, unfortunately. Many people are reacting in extremes; they either don't care at all or they're hysterical.
When really we should be somewhere in the middle. Preparation, not panic. Awareness, not hysteria.
plucky pagoda
Over isolation would be fine. I'd rather they over act by enforcing a nationwide shutdown to reduce the numbers than under act.
bronze axle
Listen to the experts, get out of there way, do what you can do help your community, hunker down, and take care of yourself and your loved ones.
A nationwide shutdown could be too drastic, depending on what that shutdown entails.
plucky pagoda
The thing is we don't know if it is or isn't without testing we don't have.
bronze axle
Especially because the needs are different across states.
Yeah, we need to sort out the testing situation for sure. South Korea is a tiny country and they were testing 10K citizens a day at one point. We're still in the hundreds last I checked.
But I've read about several efforts to accelerate that.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, the number is crazy small. In Ohio they only test health care workers or someone who is being admitted to the hospital right now.
If we can get antibody tests out in massive quantities we can test everyone and start isolating only the people we have to.
We'll also know for sure whose already been through it and is now likely immune.
bronze axle
In Oregon you need to match a variety of criteria. I've read at least one anecdote of a woman who's husband is immunocompromised, came down with a sudden fever, and they refused to test him. It's not the hospital's fault, unfortunately. They want to test people, but they don't yet have the resources. It sounds so frustrating for them.
plucky pagoda
YEah. They just don't have the tests or in some cases enough PPE.
bronze axle
Indeed.
I'm still heartened by the Italian spirit. I love watching videos of Italian people singing to each other from their balconies, having a blast in the face of adversity.
pearl elk
I saw one from Spain with a guy in a hazmat suit dancing to dnb
he's just out there in the square alone with everyone on the balconies watching cheering him on
bronze axle
Hah, wow.
It's crazy to think about this, but the data seems to indicate that the economic impact from the quarantines could be far worse than that of the virus itself.
That seems to be where the real, lasting damage lies.
pearl elk
That was my concern, unfortunately lots of governments are big bulky machines and not very agile
bronze axle
And that's not to make light of the virus at all, which puts things into perspective.
plucky pagoda
Yeah. It's going to hurt low wage earners and people who work for tips the most. Since a lot of them work under the table I have no idea how that affects their unemployment options.
pearl elk
I do agree with the sentiment about big business not needing bailouts, they surely could have afforded to make a rainy day fund but instead pay their upper management extravagant amounts.
plucky pagoda
bah, I need to get some work done.
deep glen
plucky pagoda
Wow seeing a Tokyo subway with that kind of space between people is mind bending.
But I'm kinda surprised by how crowded the streets are in that video.
novel latch
0.0008% in tokyo are affected π€
plucky pagoda
They probably have tests.
novel latch
they either know how to wash their hands or these numbers are fake
plucky pagoda
I mean I have no idea.
pearl elk
I kinda hope things stay abit more like this forever now hehe, I hate crowds
novel latch
in my small city, people are still ignorant and don't give cashiers their 2 meter space
pearl elk
I swear windows wants to update just to reset all my settings all the time. Real-time scanning, sticky keys grrr
Do not want!
Not even sure why I need their sandbox since I use approximately 2 apps from the MS store
plucky pagoda
The Carrion demo was a lot of fun.
Kinda reminded me of Dead Cells if you played as the cell the whole time though.
pearl elk
Im convinced ID is in a perfect position to do another Quake SP game
signal citrus
nah
oof i feel like i should stay out of these topics lol
did they bring snap map back with new doom 2?
pearl elk
yeah you should probably be enjoying their games to be commenting on what you'd like em to do π
Its weird this Doom actually reminds me abit of UT3
lusty elk
looked like a mobile game to me
signal citrus
Its super possible that the tech of their old games is what i liked about them
pearl elk
their tech is still pretty awesome, I think I prefer they are owned by Zenimax rather than Activision
signal citrus
mundane
pearl elk
Well it was one or the other, they couldnt afford to stay indie
signal citrus
i barely associate them with what they used to be now anyways
wasnt all bethesda though
doom 3 was boring, great tech and great mod sdk but didn't get much mod support because hl2 was so much better to work with
pearl elk
yeah well no company is what they used to be anymore
signal citrus
then they just gave up with rage on a mod community
pearl elk
the game didnt really do so well, not in comparison to what they needed it to be. Fallout 3 was far more popular
signal citrus
I think it had good timing to support a transfer of mod community though. They said the compute power required to do anything with all the mega texturing was the reason why but this is the case with every other new title from id
pearl elk
I was waiting 6 months post release to even play Rage without the megatexture glitch
signal citrus
bethesda knows fun for sure. they let you drive a horse up a mountain sideways
pearl elk
the ID tech games are less buggy for me than other Bethesda games so Im thankful about that
Fallout 3 was a mess to me but zomg open world everyone loved it
signal citrus
well i'd prefer fun over less buggy but id has this special place where i don't expect gameplay from them haha
i expect some kind of new expression or something
pearl elk
their guns are still some of the best in the biz IMO, they feel weighty
signal citrus
whos?
pearl elk
ID
signal citrus
have you tried quake champions?
pearl elk
theyve always had this knack for weapons even if they arnt balanced perfectly to 0.0000001
I cant play it, theres no offline mode
signal citrus
yeah i mean give id a multiplayer connection and expect something fun, unless its doom 3
with doom 16 it was halo
pearl elk
I actually liked Doom 3s MP, it was small but the lighting made it fun
signal citrus
it was fun still
pearl elk
people just out grew DM
signal citrus
see i've played doom 3's mp like 4 times maybe
4 player flashlight party was their way of saying: wow look at our lighting
quake champions nails everything
the only thing that would make it feel more like an id game is if it had less fanfare and progressions systems etc / character powerups
pearl elk
remember the end level screen in Doom?
signal citrus
yeah
pearl elk
its still there now, theyve added to it but its still similar to the old one
I just feel like with what theyve done thematically in this Doom they could easily do a Q2/4 sequel
signal citrus
though
I mean they could
would it not just end up being more glory kills and angry interactions with the world / usb drives
pearl elk
berserk was always a Doom thing so I dont think so, Quake could go a different direction
pearl elk
Quake 1 would be closer to QC thematically so I suppose they could do it, Ranger is in there
pearl elk
Yeah I dunno I feel like Doom is closer to Q2
its metal gothic not all clay gothic
different palettes, Q1 was pretty limited by the tech though thats why
signal citrus
you need nine inch nails to do a proper quake reboot
q1 was limited by a lot more than pallet lol
pearl elk
but the palette in Q1 was more browns and dark greens, less greys
signal citrus
"in this room there is a stairway with buttons"
pearl elk
yes well you could copy all the shocking UV mapping cuz there was like 0 tools for it
signal citrus
Q2 wasn't much different
pearl elk
Q2 atleast could use a full 256 though
pearl elk
well it must come down more to the art style itself then because they are completely different games
signal citrus
signal citrus
ye
when you think of half life
"lets take this quake thing, bring it to c++, then local color pallets, oh and computer voices"
pearl elk
skeletal animation
signal citrus
given it took awhile, can't think of what the equivilant to that would look like today
not till hl2
well
your right
pearl elk
yeah I know what you mean
signal citrus
its just not vertex skinned to skeleton lol
haha yeah lol
the skeleton animations are there, but they aren't what you see
its a weird way to think about it
but yeah guns in hands
pearl elk
its because skinning was still in its infancy
signal citrus
yeah
it was smart too
tbh thinking about it now
i wonder how hitboxes worked in quake
in hl1 it uses the calculated skeleton
i bet quake its just a single box
pearl elk
I hate collision boxes, so janky
thats why when you play Q4 alot of things are curved
its to stop people getting hung up on sharp edges
signal citrus
I couldn't go through with quake 4 lol
pearl elk
I hated the raycast on the turning wheels in UT3, it screwed the vehicle physics pretty hard
I get why they were trying to optimise it but it really hurts things because youre expecting your wheels to dig in and catch when they dont so you compensate naturally then get screwed
signal citrus
I didn't have good enough computer for UT3
When i got one, there was like no one playing it
so i'm not sure what you mean by that
pearl elk
you can still give it a go, play with shitty bots π
the raycast collision is basically a solid version of the vehicle so the turning wheels collision dont turn they just collide in their default pose
signal citrus
lol weird
pearl elk
yeah it is, the handling feels abit odd but Epic made those vehicles crazy arcade like anyway
no where near as bad as vehicles in Q4 and Quake Wars though omg lol
mind you the jumpjets were alright once you got used to em, I used to clean up with those
signal citrus
Lol
pearl elk
must admit thats one of my favourite parts of Doom 2016 is that its so unapologetically FPS
its not like oh here we feel sorry for you, have a rest, have a turret section
none of that creepy past the guards shit either
pearl elk
I cant even play the original Doom anymore so its nice to have one to play π
I like the z axis in the 2016 MP, I do get where ID was coming from in saying that it was disconnected to the SP
it had some issues too with the monster modes with being able to lock down the map
zinc matrix
Nice
carmine frigate
yea, how bizar becomes the new normal real fast
pearl elk
Do you mean bizarre?
zinc matrix
i feel like the new console gens are better than my 3700x, 2070s, 32gb ram, 500w pus COMPUTER - please help my mind
glad parrot
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix they are. But consoles always project tech like this. Then by the time they are released, PC has caught up and they look kind of crap in comparison
pearl elk
no need to buy the Xbox theres nothing it'll have you cant get elsewhere
carmine frigate
ur kinda stupid to get a ps5 when the ps6 is also on the way
pearl elk
well both have said they'll have mid gen upgrades again like previous gen
so theyre more like upgrades
trade in your PS4 Pro or XBOX and get x amount off our next thing which is only a few teraflops faster than our last thing
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix you upgrade obviously.
fringe sundial
this time is a bit different
soft night
no need to get playstation there is nothng interesting
fringe sundial
when ps4 was released, it was at the level of medium range pcs
and on cpu wise, it was at the range of low end pcs
this time, xbox series x is faster than 99% of gaming pcs
soft night
seems ps5 got small boost from ps4
fringe sundial
and there literally arent any pcs with the SSD performance of either xbox or ps5
because they have hardware decompression and stuff
pearl elk
The new PCIE 4 drives are pretty damn fast
fringe sundial
yes, but you dont have the hardware decompressors
carmine frigate
we have raid π
fringe sundial
and then you peg your cpu cores to loading
another issue is driver and windows having much more overhead
soft night
ps5 have that internal drive smaller than 1TB
fringe sundial
on the xbox, 7 cores are for the game, at 100%
pearl elk
main thing turning me off the new Xbox is the memory and the proprietary drives. The PS5 seems to offer better while being slightly slower graphics
carmine frigate
mweh overhead on windows ...
fringe sundial
cpu on consoles tends to be about x2 of what it should be
due to no overheads + fixed cores, allowing more advanced multithreading on engines
pearl elk
yeah MS does purposefully gimp Windows to make Xbox look better
fringe sundial
the thing is.... there isnt anything in the market that is x2 of the xbox or ps5
in number of cores, yes
the 16 core ryzen
but not in singlecore
soft night
well thing is that xbox and windows have same core
carmine frigate
yea but they aint out yet π
pearl elk
fixed hardware, lets face it beta testing consoles is cheaper
fringe sundial
@soft night the xbox doesnt run background apps
it has 1 core for OS stuff
and 7 cores are 100% for the devs
absolute 100%, the OS will never touch them
in windows it will give power to background apps
like spotify, discord, or chrome
and will move your threads a lot
pearl elk
dont forget hardware audio
fringe sundial
yeah on ps5
but thats not that much of a problem i think
problem is the loading part, and cpu
pearl elk
not a problem its a boost to performance when CPU load can make your sound all choppy
fringe sundial
the hardware audio on ps5 is about lots of sounds + hrtf
you can just do... less concurrent sounds
and no hrtf
its not hard to scale it
on this gen of consoles, i expect the "proper" next gen games to leave PC behind
for a while
until pc catches up as allways
pearl elk
is on PC when you got 50 apps all trying to access your audio device at once π
soft night
50apps well you can configure it
fringe sundial
another problem is that on console you can use mesh shaders and vrs as "default" path
and those give some sweet gains
carmine frigate
anything other than windows update never drops my frames
soft night
DirectX 12 Ultimate is awesome
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi i already upgraded?!
fringe sundial
@carmine frigate because current games are designed around console cpus
so PCs are hilariously over-specced
PC cpu has x3-x4 power of the ps4 cpu
(as in, some decent gaming cpu)
carmine frigate
i duuno, i often load up all my cores π
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix I dont get it. You are complaining about buying tech previous to more advanced tech, and it not being as good ?
pearl elk
you could have a PC which is way overpowered but the game wont use it efficiently
fringe sundial
like monster hunter world
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi did you read what system i have?
fathom wadi
yeah Division 2 in DX12 mode
fringe sundial
which cant 60 fps even on a crazy powerful machine (mine)
zinc matrix
why people hate shovelware?
except code and character and weapons, all my assets will be someone's
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix thats irrelevant. If you want to surpass the current tech, you upgrade past that tech, you dont expect your previous tech to just catch up. You upgrade it
pearl elk
Im actually surprised the console ports are getting better in general but its still pretty obvious that some games are just tuned for them more than PC
solid aurora
so because of PC I Can't count on unreal DX12 path to be optmized yet ? -;-
fringe sundial
turns out Unreal DX12 on console works far better
solid aurora
to use the new fancy stuff like perh meshlet culling
fringe sundial
@solid aurora no mesh shaders yet on unreal, but they are pretty ready for them
i expect it to be wip or even done now
thats what the next gen talk was probably about, but gotta see wtf is it
solid aurora
no I wonder if we even see those talks lol
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi but i dont know if my system is better than next gen
fringe sundial
@zinc matrix next gen is 2080 RTX + Ryzen or intel 8-core + high end NVM ssd
solid aurora
Yeah I've seen on UDN that they want to bring VRS to main
but it is no priority right now
fringe sundial
and wel. i expect series X to perform a bit closer to a 2080 ti
due to console-optimizations
solid aurora
probabaly not worth it yet for say "normal" hardware
carmine frigate
this wont make ur pc any less good tho
solid aurora
it will
you guys
seem
do not remember times
where each generation of consoles was actually more power full than PC hardware
for like 6-12 months
carmine frigate
atari
fringe sundial
ps3/xbox 360
solid aurora
simply becauise they had more power full optimized hardware