link to your published game
#lounge
pearl elk
winter zealot
so you would rip it off ?
winter zealot
you wouldn't even be capable of that 😉
agile egret
pearl elk
I love how big his eyes look through his glasses and the way he does that cute um out the side of his mouth
winter zealot
again, I'm still searching for all the """shovelware"""" drowning good denizens search results
agile egret
winter zealot
yeah all the kids are trying UE4 these days
zinc matrix
@winter zealot nothing against steam games but steam seems ew
pearl elk
What I do on Steam is I get games through word of mouth then put those on my wishlist and buy exclusively off that list
winter zealot
they they cry when there's no "publish to xbox" button and they don't know how to use any other engine
pearl elk
Ive never purchased off the recommended list EVER in my entire 14yrs odd
zinc matrix
piluws hatin
winter zealot
despite the fact that it has never been so easy to find free game engines
pearl elk
Steam could remove the store page and I wouldnt even notice 😛
agile egret
hatin HARD
winter zealot
nonononono Monsium, the argument was "SHOVELWARES" where are they ? where's the shovelware flood ?
pearl elk
The entire Store page IMO is shovelware
winter zealot
can people just a little bit start to make some sense ?
pearl elk
none of it is relevant to my taste in games
Steam has all my data, they know which games I play most and with who
zinc matrix
pillows attack was ultra effective
pearl elk
somehow Youtube knows my taste in music yet Steam nah cant figure out shit
agile egret
a soft touch in the right place
zinc matrix
@winter zealot why dont u link out ur game
winter zealot
i'm not attacking anyone, i'm saying platforms should allow a) user based curation and b) free publishing
zinc matrix
yeah its not like your game is your woman
winter zealot
I swear , I swear I don't want anyone to drown into shovelware
pearl elk
Im saying A) Platforms and Storefronts dont matter if you have a good game
thats about it actually 😛
agile egret
^
winter zealot
no one will care about your game if you can't publish it anywhere, sherlock
zinc matrix
he doesnt want us to think hes bad gamedev so he wont show it
winter zealot
^
agile egret
I bet you he doesn't have a game
pearl elk
If pillows had made a good game though we'd all be playing it instead of arguing whos a game dev
agile egret
lets search our discord's history
pearl elk
who is stopping you putting a game on your own website?
winter zealot
EGS is a bad platform because not everyone can publish what they want, and players can't curate the games they want
i'll change my mind when both those facts will be false
zinc matrix
HAHA LOL
agile egret
Nice, you've been around since 2016
pearl elk
but but they MUST GIVE ME FREE
zinc matrix
it spoke
pearl elk
Free my exposure
agile egret
agile egret
fluid bloom
that's a bit low
agile egret
winter zealot
oh for sure, quote me all you want
pearl elk
seriously you could pay an instagram "model" to advertise your game and get more hits than being on Steams store page 😛
zinc matrix
😮
winter zealot
you can't prove my point wrong so that's all you got left
fluid bloom
@pearl elk the term is "influencer"
pearl elk
aww all I posted what shovelware and no one agrees they are quality games
zinc matrix
no the term is pillows PRO GAMEDEVURR
publish AAA games every mont
scared to link them out
agile egret
You want to post that game before I "find" it?
winter zealot
i'll ask as many code questions as I want
pearl elk
anyways good games dont make themselves, wasted too much time with Watson
agile egret
Looks like you DO know what crap games are
winter zealot
of course I do
pearl elk
hey that games quality
zinc matrix
😮
agile egret
Really? I wonder how EGS solved this issue...
pearl elk
poo emoji is a lie
winter zealot
it's not effective to prevent crap games
steam prevented that issue, as previously established
pearl elk
but how, its not free
agile egret
@pearl elk damn, he doesn't like you
winter zealot
the point is you can publish all the crap you want on steam, it doesn't matter
zinc matrix
IT DOESNT MATTER! YOU HEARd him bois
winter zealot
as I was saying, paywalls are also inefficient
pearl elk
Pillows thinks everyone is less intelligent, which is probably true in my case
infact its not fair to fuckwits to put me in that pile, theyre totally cool
winter zealot
not my fault if people are advocating for bad buisness models all the time
zinc matrix
it doesnt matter if YOU publish your game on STEAM!! its doomed anyway !! -- Pillows 2020
pearl elk
If you really believed in what you said you'd tweet direct at Sweeney man
winter zealot
"rararara every platform has to be curated " "rararara asia is to blame because blizzard games are popular "
pearl elk
but no you'll hide in here behind your profanities
winter zealot
it's all that i'm saying... free publishing for everyone, or for a small fee like steam
where is the shovelware on steam exactly ?
winter zealot
everyone was saying "shovelwareshovelwareshovelware rararara" before I started some search on steam
so where is it ?
pearl elk
PS4 and Xbox exclusives on PC woop woop
red basin
There’s a lot of crap games on steam. It depends on what you mean by shovelware I guess
winter zealot
yeah for sure
mossy nexus
I'd like to join in and say I have an opinion and anyone who disagrees with it is just plain wrong. SO THERE! 😉 😄
winter zealot
i don't want publishing to be restricted to the views of a few ppl
pearl elk
hey dont do that, you cant have a differing opinion without being of lesser intellect
deep glen
I do
winter zealot
anyway I made my point
red basin
I mean I like a higher quality curated list myself. So long as there’s an outlet for all the other games to publish. :p
pearl elk
I love how we have so many options now, its not all one platform with fixed prices on everything. What do they call that again, oh right a monopoly, Im glad its not one of those anymore
winter zealot
people may have lots of opinions, but no facts
zinc matrix
@pearl elk its stll a monopoly no one uses egs
winter zealot
as soon as I shown that the shovelware flood on steam is a hoax, people started to complain about steam in general
mossy nexus
oh, the irony of some of the comments in this chat 😄
pearl elk
I use it more than I use Steam, sorry
winter zealot
this is such a joke
red basin
I mean again it depends on what you mean by shovels are
pearl elk
infact I use it more than Steam, Gog, Origin, Uplay and Blizzard thingo combined
red basin
Shovelware*
zinc matrix
@pearl elk u only use it for freebies
red basin
I think the gender and sexuality based joke games to get meme buys are pretty bottom of the barrel myself
mossy nexus
hmm. If there is a lot of 'shovelware' it will get compacted. At that point you need a spade not a shovel. Maybe a pickaxe
winter zealot
pearl elk
nah I dont, I use it for development obviously but Ive bought quite a number of titles on there. WWZ, BL3, Satisfactory, Metro etc
zinc matrix
@winter zealot try ark
red basin
Ah yes. Because only games that come up with that search fit 🙄
deep glen
try "zelda"
winter zealot
Luos aren't you making something to make Zelda games by the way ?
red basin
Atlas was super shovel
pearl elk
when BL1 was launched on Steam we actually had to boot the game up without Steam running to get it to work. So I wasnt fussed about BL3 being EGS exclusive
red basin
Literally copy pasted ark to start from lol
zinc matrix
goldshovel nobel prize @red basin
red basin
I totally got it in hopes of it not being as terrible as I thought it would thoug
winter zealot
red basin
Spoiler: sucked as much as we anticipated :p
mossy nexus
pearl elk
I think others are right, Epic doesnt have to copy Valve, they can go a different route. I really hope mod support improves cuz that could be awesome
I'll take a deluge of mods over shovelware any day
zinc matrix
lolo
winter zealot
they should go the right route for both players and game developers, and not any other route
zinc matrix
players too entitled
winter zealot
and as far as i'm concerned they're far from doing that
zinc matrix
@winter zealot why
pearl elk
As a player I am 100% happy with how Epic handles their business model, I am not happy with the performance and feature set of the launcher but I spend so very little time in that between games anyways
Steam just keeps adding things I never asked for
pearl elk
which is great for those die hard Steamers I suppose
Im a dev but I dont use EGS in that capacity
same with Steam, Im simply a customer on there so yeah maybe as a developer you should listen to the us
agile egret
Coming soon to steam: EGS Simulator
winter zealot
me too, me too 😄
pearl elk
Plenty of games failed through dense developers not taking into consideration what the players want
zinc matrix
idk how you find time to play games if your a dev
winter zealot
i'm a dev and I don't use EGS in that capacity 😄
zinc matrix
im deving my game 24/7
pearl elk
as a gamer if your game is good it'll find me
winter zealot
you see uh... I'm a musician, I only want top labels to publish music, but I use soundcloud myself
pearl elk
instagram, facebook, twitter, twitch, youtube... Steam is very minor as far as advertising goes
pearl elk
I do know how to market a game, simply plopping it on an open platform aint gonna do shit
I have certificates in business management 🙂
zinc matrix
you know how to make and market a game but you havent done that
winter zealot
it's a little bit like there are 9999 youtube videos about marketing, isn't it ?
winter zealot
I do know how to sell a game, not being able to publish it on any platform aint gonna help
pearl elk
But I have run successful marketing campaigns for a tour company
zinc matrix
@pearl elk yeah marketing is not as easy as everyone thinks and it depends on the value of your game.e.g. be woman on tinder and you dont need marketing, be man on tinder and no marketing will help u at all
pearl elk
on all of those platforms I mentioned 🙂
zinc matrix
and its same with bad/good games
pearl elk
point is Im trying to educate and further my skills to give me the capabilities to do these things instead of bitching about companies not doing it for me
zinc matrix
OMG B WORD
yeah steam cant market your game
unless u paid them specifically for it
i think its not so bad to make the game free at first
winter zealot
i can do both 🙂
zinc matrix
nope
pearl elk
Customer complaints are important and should be documented, thing is the customer does have to make it clear what their issue is. From there its taken up the chain and if its viable and will bring more business it can be considered, making EGS open isnt a value add, Ive seen no evidence
zinc matrix
ok
pearl elk
You want to talk about bad business models with no business experience, expect to get treated like it
winter zealot
when only major publishers having 999 more marketing ressources will publish games on platform you can't access, we'll see how marketing savvy* you are (*typo)
pearl elk
*savvy
winter zealot
sure, editing it
zinc matrix
so your not going to show ur pro game pillows ?
pearl elk
This really isnt about me, its about a no one trying to dictate terms to an owner of a multi-billion dollar company
winter zealot
i'm not there for that no, my games aren't exceptional or very bad, they just are
pearl elk
As I said, tweet at Tim, he's usually up for abit of smart debate if you got it in you
zinc matrix
show
winter zealot
they give buisness doctorate to everyone buying them these days anyway
zinc matrix
nice
winter zealot
and i'm not dictating anything, I'm merely showing where's the direction for """ common sense """ as acknowledged by 99% of existing major buisnesses today
pearl elk
Yeah it says in big bold text Mons The Fuckwit certified in Business
winter zealot
people that are bad at making games want the market for themselves this is why they want curation
winter zealot
and I'm not calling you a fuckwit Mons, i'm just saying
zinc matrix
i need no gaming platforms
i can do all on my own
and ill just set a patron instead of
middleman like steam
winter zealot
we are sunday
pearl elk
Monday here, start of business 3 hrs ago
catch that worm
dont expect it to land in your lap for free
winter zealot
i'm not. I'm curious about how people are gonna keep arguing against steam now
zinc matrix
anyone else has
eyeglasses
and they get dirty real quick and its hard to clean them
@fringe sundial weird, i never got called a troll before
winter zealot
certificate generator 😊
no yeah i'm gonna stop being so acid, I'm sure that buisness certificates have some legitness attached to them
zinc matrix
yeah acid is bad for health
agile egret
like college diplomas? (most of them)
winter zealot
heh people gotta start somewhere 😦
agile egret
Want to tell me how your "general arts" diploma is doing for you
winter zealot
gosh I know i'd get some degree if I could
agile egret
half of those degrees are lies
median wraith
Puahaha what the hell
winter zealot
i don't have no general arts diplomas
zinc matrix
@agile egret but have you published any game ??
agile egret
Nope
zinc matrix
oof
agile egret
Hey, you won't see my lying about it
or acting like it
but I did screen shot my project a bit
mossy nexus
Ocean Project?
agile egret
yes, my project, with zero players. Not a game with zero players
big difference
no thats another project I took over
plan on taking that into the "environment" direction
weather and ocean and sun/moon/stars
zinc matrix
so you have more than 0 players?
mossy nexus
Yeah saw that in the channels.
agile egret
a game should have players
median wraith
The diploma to what project is related
agile egret
a project shouldn't
zinc matrix
@agile egret so its a game without players
agile egret
no... a project
agile egret
which will eventually be a game... in like 4-5 years
zinc matrix
LOL 5 years
agile egret
Hey, im not lying to myself
mossy nexus
5 years sounds realistic depending on time vs amount of work
agile egret
(I already have 2 years in, but I chalk that up the learning curve)
mossy nexus
Hell, the guy who made Kenshi took best part of 12 years
agile egret
lol
zinc matrix
kenshi trailer says "10 autistic yrs of dev"
agile egret
I see we have people watching in the background
slow gyro
Yeah, for quite some time already.
slow gyro
Lounge doesn't mean peeps can be shit to each other.
It just means you can have offtopic conversations.
agile egret
This was the best time of my life:
I turn that into this:
Fun stuff
Ohhhh, or this one:
You don't want to know whats behind that macro xD
This is some old stuff
I had such high hopes for blueprints xD
(I still do)
zinc matrix
yeah maintaining clean code is hard
soft night
looks like chip
zinc matrix
and having bps additionally doesnt help
agile egret
Lol, that IS using for loops
Gosh, going back and looking at old screen shots. Make you embarrassed you ever showed in on here
signal citrus
Quality of life must be hard on that 1920x
agile egret
? Its great?
oh
I get it
yea, probably better than most experiences
I got it used for like 240$
signal citrus
I got off my 1950x which is slower per thread but yeah core speeds are harsh
signal citrus
Yeah looking at the specs it’s quite a bit snappier than the 1950x
signal citrus
But do you have airflow?
agile egret
of course
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221796616653373441/683492788330823716/IMG_20200229_195556.jpg
signal citrus
what paste are you using?
agile egret
artic
signal citrus
70c idle is kinda high
alpine fern
what is this?
signal citrus
hm thats good stuff
alpine fern
I've never seen such a long node before
agile egret
Its a math node, with a really really long equation
agile egret
yea, but I peak like 75c (maybe 80c) at full load
signal citrus
macro it or something hehe
none of my temp ins are plugged in haha
i don't think
not sure what would be at 85c on me
hm maybe its the nvm
agile egret
maybe the artic I got is a fake
signal citrus
you should be much lower though, that cooler looks more efficient than 70c idle
I've got intense cooling, and third gen doesn't run as hot as first
but my 1950x idled at 40c or so too
the 1950x was using a 480 radiator AIO
which i think is about similar performance to what you'd expect out of such a beefy air cooler
agile egret
signal citrus
but yeah it could be faulty paste or just badly applied
agile egret
I should point out, that I am running my ram @3200mhz
which is pretty much the top of 1920x's limit
signal citrus
wild sail
I'm trying to find in the documentation what archetypes are, have they changed names in newer versions?
signal citrus
thats pretty amazing tbh
first gen threadripper memory support is shit haha
to get 3200 running on it is quite nice
agile egret
Yea, and apart from a small voltage bump, I basically took the xmp profile and upped the frequency
signal citrus
my power use is high
agile egret
I took a 2800 rated kit, upped to 3200, on SAME TIMINGS with a voltage bump
rich quiver
👀
agile egret
(To be fair, the motherboard does some training and tweaks on its own)
wild sail
I'm really sorry, I was looking in the filter field instead of the search one, sorry for interrupting.
agile egret
@signal citrus what are you using for this?
signal citrus
your definitely getting some throttling though at those temps
fathom wadi
I'd go with bios
agile egret
signal citrus
agile egret
@signal citrus we have similar CPU temp numbers
signal citrus
yeah still running and am at 70c under full load
signal citrus
if your bios is reporting a larger number for temp maybe your air flow is low?
median wraith
whats the reason for 2 directional lights ?
signal citrus
yeah your right i'm unsure what cputin is now hah
signal citrus
71 was the max for the lightbuild, tbh i didn't realize it was hitting that high. i probably need to blow the radiator out
i dunno what the fan curves are set for me tbh
agile egret
signal citrus
but my computer is very loud
signal citrus
it must be your curves then
alpine fern
blueprint/10
agile egret
my curves ramp above 60
my bios reports around 90-92 at full load
read it and weep xD
signal citrus
which
agile egret
signal citrus
oh yeah
I had an overclock of 3600 before but computer crashed once and i probably mistakenly attributed it to the oc
agile egret
nah, I can get 3600 too, but it never sticks
signal citrus
because it crashed again shortly after lowering it
signal citrus
which tr4 board is it?
agile egret
asrock gaming
signal citrus
the saw blade one?
signal citrus
ah nice
signal citrus
you lucked out haha
agile egret
I only payed for ram and ssd's in full
signal citrus
i bought my first zenith extreme open box
the pins on the socket were covered in cat hair
agile egret
xD
signal citrus
its kinda rediculous microcenter even sold it to me
agile egret
dude, I bought one that had thermal paste in the socked (sold "not working") turns out the guy lied, beat up the socket, and threw thermal past over it to make it look like that was the problem
signal citrus
i mean 'covered' was a few cat hairs right? but either way it didn't boot
signal citrus
when i grabbed a 2990wx i picked up another zenith extreme from them new. they opened a 1920x just to flash the bios for me and made sure i knew of their dedication to my support, but honestly, it bugged me that they didn't have a tr4 cpu in the back open already lol
agile egret
(I broke it to get underneath it)
which is how I found out he beatup the pins
which explained why ANYONE would put thermal paste all over a socket
for the "pictures" to hide the real damage
signal citrus
lol gg
agile egret
I can replace the socket, but with the threadripper I didn't bother
Its a nice board
signal citrus
sub 200 for any tr4 board is a pretty good deal tbh
the trx40 for current cpu was 850
signal citrus
because they sell the cpus
signal citrus
ah so you need a first gen tr to flash a first gen mobo to support a second gen tr
microcenter has a computer support room and everything
agile egret
oh, okay, basically then sent a bunch of motherboards out without gen 2 support
signal citrus
so to think they didn't already have a tr4 compatible chip by the time of second gen was just a strange acknowledgement
agile egret
so you had to call AMD to get a free cpu to flash it xD
signal citrus
yeah they updated teh board for me at the shop i mean
nah i went to a retail store
carmine frigate
i got a 3600, its pretty decent
agile egret
dude, after threadripper im going to ryzen
agile egret
yea but how do you show the difference? other than the sku
signal citrus
but yeah the 3900x would be a huge upgrade unless you do video encoding
actually, it'd probably still be a huge upgrade
signal citrus
well first gen ryzen 3,5,7 these had horrible ram support too
carmine frigate
i payed like 450 for mobo/cpu and ram new
agile egret
hey we got 3200 mhz anyways xD
carmine frigate
3600 are pretty cheap
agile egret
shit dude, I paid for that in cpu/mobo alone
signal citrus
3600x?
carmine frigate
nah normal 1
carmine frigate
i stil have a cooler here but need a backplate or something
carmine frigate
universal bracket
agile egret
They compile in my dreams
signal citrus
its kinda rediculous cause i had a 1950x and shader compilation took 4 times longer than the 3970x, idk what amd did
agile egret
thats not fair, 16vs32 core, and two generations
carmine frigate
bakes
carmine frigate
i actually got the 6 core and not the 12 core cuz amd is totally killin it atm
carmine frigate
ill w8 until they slow down a bit 😛
agile egret
Intel is dead xD
red basin
They’ll come up with something :p
signal citrus
right now they are holding pcie5 over peoples heads
agile egret
Like manipulating more benchmarks?
signal citrus
they'll stay on pcie3 just to make sure amd's gamble on pcie4 doesn't pay off
thats what i mean by hard life of tr first gen
with gaming its rough, but your 1920x seems nicer with gaming than the 1950x
carmine frigate
wondoer if the rdna2 is gunna b good, the consoles are supposed to be usin that
signal citrus
if it ends up being another radeon cost effective solution to mid range i'll be underwhelmed
carmine frigate
cost effective mid range is nice
signal citrus
i do kind of wonder if they have some kind of no-compete with consoles
they own that market already though
agile egret
who nvidia?
signal citrus
amd
signal citrus
rx560-580 are the most cost effective things you can get, and perform below a 1060gtx
carmine frigate
not selling better vid cards for pc seems unlikely
signal citrus
they own that market i mean, as in they lead it
agile egret
From my understanding amd's gpu familiy is shit, like their pre-ryzen cpu family was
carmine frigate
if there would be any non compete it would be sony vs microsoft 😛
agile egret
they just don't have anything innovative on GPU's
carmine frigate
but with 2 players that seems illegal
agile egret
(I'm an AMD fanboy, don't get me wrong)
signal citrus
sony and microsoft are partners in a few endeavors owninator
expect nearly identical consoles, just like last time
carmine frigate
amd vid cards have more raw power less features
signal citrus
they lead the budget space for gaming evo hands down
carmine frigate
mid range
signal citrus
they just don't compete with the high end
yeah
don't forget, they also own the mac market
fringe sundial
they are indeed nearly the same
except PS5 has 9.something TF of gpu instead of 12 in the scarlett
and xbox has plans for a little version of the scarlett that will be same cpu, almost same ram, same ssd, and 4.something TF gpu instead of 12
to play at 1080p instead of 4k
signal citrus
lol
do they have rules against using the 12 tf on 1080p or something?
seems like a big mistake on sony's part
when you say almost the same ram, are either of these using dedicated graphics memory?
fringe sundial
just the bigger one having a bit more ram
signal citrus
er i mean between ps5/chimney
fringe sundial
if you compare it to a PC
its like scarlett being a RTX2080, with a ryzen, and ssd
and lil-scarlett (lockhart) being a RTX 2060 instead, but more or less same on everything else
because its only a gpu difference, devs will just cut resolution
if the game is 4k native on big one, then it will run at 1440p on lower settings, or 1080p on same settings
in the same way as how PS4 pro and base ps4 work
signal citrus
i really think thats a mistake to have such different skus
pricing must be insane on the full scarlet or something
fringe sundial
its very likely scarlett will be same price as ps5
or at most, 50 euros/dollas more
so ps5 at 450-scarlett at 500
or 500-550
the thing is that later, microsoft goes and releases the lil version at maybe 300 or 350
signal citrus
aye, seems like a mistake to do that but they likely know better than me
signal citrus
its already feeling a bit like genesis, 32x, sega cd, saturn with the amount of skus out there
carmine frigate
2080 in a console sounds pretty good
signal citrus
is raytracing a cop-out on consoles yet?
agile egret
I've tried higher, none of them are stable long term
agile egret
4x4
signal citrus
ah nice
agile egret
Made sure to get single stack, and use all four channels
For best compatibility with higher soeeds
Speeds
signal citrus
yep, quad channel memory is cool stuff
agile egret
I wonder how many of those "benchmarks" trashing 1920x are running 3200 ram
signal citrus
ah they're not trashing it at all
agile egret
I know
signal citrus
but i woudln't expect a huge difference from ram speeds in typical usage with first gen tr
code compilation might benefit a lot though
fathom wadi
I cheaped out and got some Dementia Ram. It's new, I think. Not sure, can't remember.
agile egret
And I lied, these are like 2400 rated sticks xD
cause the 2nd xmp profile starts at 2600
carmine frigate
signal citrus
Is that the ram with the diamond on it marc?
carmine frigate
if i make a blueprint of this class it borks out if i use it
signal citrus
haha
carmine frigate
it there any way i can set it up for bps? 😛
fathom wadi
@carmine frigate blueprintable?
signal citrus
eh nvm, its probably another knock off but i bought some cheap ram as well, had fake heat shielding that formed a diamond logo of sorts
carmine frigate
its stil semi works but a lot gets borked
its the VR editor pawn
i wunna do bp prototypin on it but its all pre set up in c++
carmine frigate
the way i see it its a pawn made to run in editor time
slow gyro
Making a BP version of that shouldn't break anything though :<
signal citrus
nah wasn't suggesting it'd break anything
but why it no work owninator?
stuff just doesn't work properly?
carmine frigate
hmm i dunno i just put tick and print string and it borks the pawn
yea the mesh wont show anymore stuff like that
signal citrus
ah ok
no idea why that would happen unless its engine glue
like how uclass works
carmine frigate
yea i could chenge stuff in C but im terrible at it
carmine frigate
how i rotate stuff and teleport stuff to my hand
signal citrus
hm
carmine frigate
i think u can do pretty fun stuff with it
due to motion controlls and editor time
signal citrus
i tried vr in editor for a second and live with the regret of steamvr and oculus app launching with the engine every time
carmine frigate
😛
signal citrus
yeah, its pretty amazing to be able to just look around in 3d and move stuff around with hands, even for a project that isn't vr oriented
fathom wadi
i dunno. I find ue editing in VR worse than getting my face beaten by a mafia baseball bat
fringe sundial
its pretty good for tweaking
fathom wadi
I can see the potential, but its slower than regular editing, which is not my mantra for work.
fringe sundial
the main place i see it being useful is when you are just "detailing"
and are just placing random stuff around the map
carmine frigate
1 thing i hate about it, it closes all ur tabs and folders collapse when u stat and leave it
signal citrus
i really don't like the thing on head either
carmine frigate
@fringe sundial u can change the pawn to do other stuff
fathom wadi
yeah we need "dev glasses". Something light and unobtrusive
that doesnt need full immersion
signal citrus
like holographic lenses or something
carmine frigate
@fathom wadi yea that would be great the switching should be like 1 second
but it feels like u start a new instance of the editor
it has some flaws
fringe sundial
yes
they use it for cinema
epic doesnt really use it internally, but for example it was used on the production of the mandalorian to build up the sets
carmine frigate
i also feel they try to make it a complete unreal engine in there but i rather see it in parts
1st thing i do when i figure this pawn out is scrap half the UI 😛
u can play a sequencer and hold a camera and run around 😛
its crazy stuff
agile egret
whatever happened to that nearly infinite resolution engine?
I forgot the name
ahh Euclideon
carmine frigate
hl3 is using it
agile egret
xD
I love how you go to their webpage, https://www.euclideon.com/vault/
and the youtube video is choppy
and at the end when they are about to start zooming in, they cut the video xD
fathom wadi
there is a science to that in terms of algorithmic voxelisation, and we should have the systems capable of the maths, but there has to be caveats. Not that I would know what they are, but there has to be
carmine frigate
drive spacwe
fathom wadi
well with true optimisation, there should be reuse of assets and dynamic creation in ram
fathom wadi
I was thinking more when you get to the limits of origin based maths. But then you dont need to keep a static origin as we know from basic stuff like world comp
fathom wadi
what happens when the shifted origin exceeds the floating point max though? Do you have multi-dimensional shifting, like an array of origins all relative to each other?
agile egret
millions of dollars of equipment and their "video capture" was poor quality
no one is going to play this
fathom wadi
what stands out about that Unity video is that everything being shown is utterly pointless in practical use versus the current methods. That's why the current methods are current and we dont all go balls out voxels. If they had shown it with a more basic and relevant demonstration, it would make more sense. In that environment though, it looks like a contrarian came into the studio and said "Voxels are the future, and also now if we want PS1 graphics"
agile egret
These guys have had 10 years
fathom wadi
why are they storing 40gb models? I mean, it would be madness to store every voxel surely? Like painting with atoms
north torrent
Voxels are never going to catch on...
agile egret
Why?
north torrent
I don't know, people just don't like them.
I can't read people's minds to tell you why though.
agile egret
I'm sure the issue is everyone keeps regurgitating the current knowledge.
Voxels look like voxels
north torrent
I personally think voxels are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
median wraith
Henlo
north torrent
Have you ever seen a pig, Mr. Hevedy? Like in person, not in a video or picture?
agile egret
Don't you dare
median wraith
Yeah
agile egret
dont
median wraith
Why?
north torrent
Was it amazing?
north torrent
A random one.
agile egret
Much better
median wraith
I had a lot of animals near me of you ask
fathom wadi
@north torrent if you have heavy physics based simulations they are anatomically perfect, so to speak. But for gaming, that is all pretty niche. I liked the idea of Minecraft, where infinite is irrelevant.
zinc matrix
hmm, you are still talking about pigs or voxels?
fathom wadi
voxels
fathom wadi
I think they still look pretty bad unless you go real fine with the detail though. However gameplay doesn't care what I think and you can make great games with it.
red basin
Right but I think it’s less visually off as land lol
fathom wadi
yeah Death Stranding got away with a nice representation of it
carmine frigate
a big boar is fucking scary
agile egret
Why does deathstranding look like a technical achievement game?
north torrent
I've never seen it.
north torrent
I don't have a PS4.
median wraith
That game isntboring?
agile egret
You don't need one to watch youtube xD?
median wraith
Is about build ziplines
late night
I love it
north torrent
I don't generally watch trailers.
carmine frigate
is that battle royale the movie i hear so much about?
agile egret
With that title they better
median wraith
Well dint think I ever try the game as no pc version so
agile egret
40hr walking simulator xDF
median wraith
I only watched people playing
north torrent
I heard it is coming to PC next year, Mr. Hevedy.
carmine frigate
hevedy asking, can i have the controller... NO hevedy
north torrent
I think I would rather get the coronavirus than watch other people play a videogame...
median wraith
Well that don't mean you will die
north torrent
Unless they are playtesting something I built and I am observing.
Most people with the coronavirus are fine after 10 days.
median wraith
Actually a 90%
late night
Fuck yeah I'm all for mild body discomfort for a few days instead of my eyes being in front of moving pixels that represent gameplay for a short time
<_____________<
carmine frigate
i just like the 2% on death, im a gambling man
fringe sundial
and 10% of being in a hspital on critical condition
agile egret
2% death rate , for old or sick people
fringe sundial
no, thats just like the total
carmine frigate
not dead is a nice prize
carmine frigate
im gunna eat as many rare and exotic animals as i can get, one of em must hold the antivaccin
agile egret
xD
I planned on getting asap, until I found out you can get it again
the idea was get it early before it mutates into something worse (if it does)
Death standing has 3x credits xD
for those of you who don't plan on playing a walking simulatorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBozU1LiT9A
agile egret
xD
carmine frigate
i do notice it a lot more when people are coughing now
im like hyper alert
dodge that shit
its like i found my superpower
virusdodger
the movie
zinc matrix
If you notice it it's already to late for you.
agile egret
up to two week incubation
You won't know until its too late
I expect thats how most people will get it
brings the evils of cheating to a new level
carmine frigate
cant blame this1 on videogames tho 🙂
median wraith
SURE YOU TRIED COD @carmine frigate
agile egret
bo2 was okay
median wraith
@agile egret banned
carmine frigate
damn i did 3 youtube videos on how to learn c++ in an hour, and i think i still havent learned c++
i might be a slow learner
agile egret
try the two hour series, it made a difference for me
in the second part they go over spelling
carmine frigate
i know what visual studio is
agile egret
Great, now make me the next AAA game!
plucky pagoda
You have to watch the learn it in an hour video at 4x, or you're just slacking.
carmine frigate
i used to skate a lil
but i allways kick the board on my shins
or clafs
calfs
or whatever
i can ... or could do a dropin tho
havent skated in like 10 year i think 😛
agile egret
xD
Alien squids with machine guns and submarines?
No one answered, I figured it was boring
zinc matrix
and car attacks
agile egret
Car Attacks 2, cause after being fitted with AI software, they safely drive drunk drivers off the nearest cliff
zinc matrix
hi
agile egret
hey
zinc matrix
@agile egret lets not be rude to each other this time my friend
zinc matrix
you know wha ti like
inventory spawns from ZERO instead of activation/deactivation
so there are no unused objects in the background taking memory or cpu
isnt it truly insane !?
im really maniac when it comes to optimization
agile egret
I'm still lost
agile egret
Now you are starting it
I don't know what you are talking about with spawning inventory from zero instead of activation/deactivation
zinc matrix
yeah in unity u can deactivate object in runtime or u can delete it
most ppl just deactivate but i delete
agile egret
This isn't unity
zinc matrix
so ?
agile egret
So I don't work in unity, I have no idea how they work
zinc matrix
so im tellin u how
agile egret
maybe activation/deactivation is better
zinc matrix
no
@agile egret i must optimize everything cause target is browser and browser players
so far my game works very well in browser
agile egret
Just use unreal
fathom wadi
damn even my SQL install has gone SJW
the irony of installing CMS made simple, from a 1-click install, and having to mess around more than if I wrote the freaking CMS myself.
soft night
what CMS?
fathom wadi
CMS made simple
was just gonna throw a link dump up and didnt want all the bloat from wordpress or joomla and couldn't be arsed uploading my custom cms.... so I just lazied my way into it I guess
fathom wadi
im good thanks. I have half a dozen I can use, just never used this one before, nor will again 😄
plucky pagoda
Those 1 click installs almost always add bloat too. It's like the good old days of shareware all over.
fathom wadi
yeah thats why I wrote my own. Got sick of it early on. Not to say I dont use them, I just dont like to. 😄
zinc matrix
cool
zinc matrix
why they have schlong
lone condor
sir, do you use this engine
lone condor
please just tell me your opinion
zinc matrix
the more normal looking one is better
lone condor
what
lone condor
why are you even here?
lone condor
you’re in a server that is about something you know not much about
zinc matrix
i know a lot about game programming tho
agile egret
Ignore him, he's here for a show
Whats the difference between the two?
Like what am I comparing?
They both are highly pixelated
@lone condor
lone condor
top one has less pixels
agile egret
I mean more pixels always looks better, what are you shooting for?
zinc matrix
@agile egret im not here for a show
i just like coding games, why you have to attack that
agile egret
You like causing drama
I've kinda had enough myself
Someone else even called you out for the same in multiple servers
agile egret
zinc matrix
so you have no opinion of your own but just copy some guy ok
lone condor
what
agile egret
No you
just talking to the kid
Anyways, they both more or less look the same. I'd say the one with more pixels
lone condor
but just copy some guy ok
agile egret
ENOUGH! Stop calling people names, stop talking about unity in this server like its going to help someone, stop causing drama for no reason. stop acting like you are better than everyone.
Just help people. Be nice. Be respectful. Stop toying with people
zinc matrix
lmao you made 90% of that up and the other 10% you copied opinion of vblanco whether it was correct or not
fathom wadi
How to win the game
lone condor
yep
agile egret
agile egret
Because I have a life, I just want to be here to shoot the shit and not deal with you acting like a spoiled brat
zinc matrix
also how am I calling you names in that screenshot
zinc matrix
i didnt call you a sheeple tho
agile egret
It was implied, beating around the bush doesn't work with me
or do you need another screen shot?
lone condor
ok non related question
agile egret
Okay, i've had enough
lone condor
how do I make a texture not stretch to fit?
zinc matrix
like hes attacking me for calling him names but i never did O.O
lone condor
got it
mild root
agile egret
wow
mild root
Also
Telemetry works
Autodesk knows everything about pirates
These are autodesk numbers
Collected by them
zinc matrix
just use blender
mild root
So watch out smartass thouhts "I'll start as pirate and convert to legal user when my game is out"
agile egret
Now I pay for everything or just use the free versions
mild root
And install blender
zinc matrix
blender is faster tho
autodesk is one big lagfest including site, forum and software
agile egret
Well the thing about telemetry, it probably can't account for those who do switch legally
maybe who knows
agile egret
Yea, saying you bought it after the fact doesn't help (might get you a lighter sentence)
mild root
"you" = whoever reads it
zinc matrix
nothing will happen to pirates
mild root
Maybe
zinc matrix
they can never confirm YOU used the software
mild root
Hehe
Telemetry service sends your hardware data, env data, geodata and other stuff to their servers
It is enough to proove you guilty
And yes, they may take few snaps from your webcam
You allowed it
Somewhere in the EULA
So playing fool won't help
zinc matrix
no i didnt
also no one reads eula
if it got known taht they are recording their customers through webcam they would lose every one of them lol
mild root
So playing fool won't help
@mild root
zinc matrix
and for you especially
agile egret
hell, for all you know they digitally encode a signature in all the models produced xD
mild root
hell, for all you know they digitally encode a signature in all the models produced xD
@agile egret
It is a fact
zinc matrix
CONSPIRACY !1111
agile egret
Is it?
zinc matrix
everywhere
mild root
Lol
pearl elk
holey trolly
zinc matrix
monsiu...
mild root
pearl elk
Unity spies everywhere
zinc matrix
Monsium are you??
agile egret
fathom wadi
I just put bugs in my code that only happen if you stole the software. But I wrote the bugs so well, they also happen if you bought it. Like DLC. Enjoy !
plucky pagoda
I put hidden areas into my games which hold exceptionally difficult puzzles which when solved do absolutely nothing.
plucky pagoda
I haven't played any of the dark souls games more than a few minutes
fathom wadi
thats about how long it takes to complete them if you one shot everything
plucky pagoda
but it seems like anything can be said "oh it's like dark souls" from how often I hear it
fathom wadi
yeah anything that makes no effort to create a good gameplay fight, so cheats with overpowered one-shot bosses that you must 100% dodge and stuff. Souls-like. I get it, but I don't enjoy it for very long
Nioh was a good version of it
Could make a clone called "Light souls" and the bosses die in one hit, but every now and again they get a lucky shot and it deletes your character
pearl elk
Dark Souls is just a rip off of Sonic 😛
you run around with these rings (souls) and when you get hit (die) you lose them all and have to collect them again
therefore from hence forth it shall be known as sonic-likes
fathom wadi
I just got a new chair, and my back was so used to the old one, its giving me grief now. Like "where's the old uncomfy smelly chair gone? Here have this intense shoulder pain"
plucky pagoda
I let my 16 year old play my demo level. When he sat down he said "I"m going to break this thing"
And he did. He found like 5 bugs in 20 minutes.
all fixed now though.
pearl elk
put em to work, 16hrs a day, free donuts and soft drink
plucky pagoda
I'll take it as a good sign that he played it for a long while
agile egret
Coronavirus is about to take out the US
quiet narwhal
yep 😦
agile egret
Shit is in each direction over the last few days
the san antonio guy? I'm 1 hr away xD
Right on the highway
quiet narwhal
dude I am north of San Fran in california
agile egret
in a student apt complex
quiet narwhal
and like my entire house is sick
agile egret
Really?
quiet narwhal
yarp
plucky pagoda
There's a lot of other things going around too right now. But yeah, can expect the numbers to go up quite a bit in the next few days.
Wtf