yeah, that's not how my card works at all
#lounge
hazy delta
so you weren't kidding about the full brass business card, huh?
late night
nope
plucky pagoda
sounds on point.
late night
whoever I give my business card to usually already has the means to contact me so
fuck it
hazy delta
imagine being so famous that you could get away with just your name on a card 🤔
plucky pagoda
Cards are pretty useless anymore.
north torrent
I actually put my website on pens as opposed to business cards, because I knew people were more likely to leave it on their desk.
I don't have a website anymore though.
hazy delta
new life goal: get my hands on one of allar's cards
red basin
Thats still a pretty slick card
plucky pagoda
Your card is like a trophy for unlocking the Allar achievement
hazy delta
haha!
signal citrus
oof.
red basin
You would make Patrick Bateman sweat with that card Allar.
hazy delta
if you're ever at an event in europe I'll be there and take you up on that offer
signal citrus
lol
hazy delta
free ballin' 👀
late night
I'd have to star the Allar World Tour
i'd get Icy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP8dkzn8vmE
hazy delta
I'd pay for that
red basin
Not until you get your "1Up" eyebrow tattoo and start to look post-maloney
late night
zinc matrix
An tired
hazy delta
imagine being so cool that you can casually break the rules D:
red basin
rich*
late night
I get infractions like everyone else
red basin
I thought about it for my art stuff but holy damn that requires so much dedication
in terms of keeping people happy
plucky pagoda
I want these
hazy delta
edgy
red basin
Im married and I still feel like that could scare her off.
zinc matrix
@red basin you could do OnlyFans in addition to Patreon
red basin
I dont know the difference. The problem is making custom content on a schedule while balancing commissions and stuff they cant see 😛
hazy delta
is that like I new patreon? I'ver never heard about that site before today
late night
I'm looking for an environment artist / world builder for UE4 that can graybox and basic set dress a large building within a week
north torrent
How many exposures do you pay?
late night
I'm sorry I only work with USD
north torrent
So you won't trade a goat for work?
hazy delta
Best I can do is 3 blueprints a day and just for you I'd throw a material on top
take it or leave it
hazy delta
nonono leave it unedited
hazy delta
imagine missing the p in maple
stray hill
right?
its really funny.. hahahahaha
i just cracked myself up pretty bad actually.
haha
hazy delta
gave me a good chuckle too! thanks for that 😄
stray hill
yeah i might put that in my signature
hahahahahahahahaha
its the (edited)
that makes it really funny
haahahahahahahaha
hazy delta
leave it up to the imagination
soft night
out from flu-season
pearl elk
well theres been so many cases in San Fran how will the city survive that long
I think we should move the venue to Dubai just incase
soft night
or to monsolympus?
stiff crystal
or accept it's just business? 😄
pearl elk
well those concepts technically belong to us
zinc matrix
Shushu
median wraith
@zinc matrix well the same they show their ass there for money shouldn't worry these if they see their ass in the whole net
zinc matrix
i was working on my game for about a month. generally results are satisfying but i had more if i didnt rewrite everything few times
zinc matrix
unity employes are sure nice https://i.imgur.com/V44KZiD.png
raw rose
pearl elk
man March is gonna be boring as batshit now
stiff crystal
@zinc matrix he isn't wrong tho :p
if you've seen Unity communities, it's filled with clueless people who just try random things until it works
so you do need to safeguards
(read: idiot-proofing)
zinc matrix
@stiff crystal unfortunately unity communities are filled in with people who dont even gamedev and just want to chat and find some friends. Lol
like they will post 50 messages per day at least but havent made any game
and are not currently trying to make one
i found a real good saving-to-file asset
delicate vector
Hello everyone!
I have a survey about game key layout and would much appreciate if you took a minute to answer it. (Only two questions)
Thank you!
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2VKX2WQ
pearl elk
the world just keeps making better idiots
zinc matrix
alright bobos now I need to connect my inventory to file saving on hdd
imagine loading inventory with 200items directly from HDD whenever you press "I" hotkey, instead of having 200 deactivated objects in the client all the time..
its genius
zinc matrix
only if its client HDD and not server HDD
i will let clients write and load files from my hdd
stiff crystal
what if the computer doesn't have HDD 🤔
stiff crystal
since when json was equivalent to fast?
surely you'll have way better perf if you properly serialize it in binary format
pearl elk
it wont be fast if youre a client on a server since you still need to send all the data
zinc matrix
well maybe olento
zinc matrix
you would need to send data to server anywaylol
you think keeping encrypted data in client instead is better choice?
pearl elk
you keep the crypt key on the server side and send that once data is validated
then you only need to update changes
pearl elk
none of that will help if theres a way to dupe inside the game though hehe
zinc matrix
but wouldnt encryption and decryption be more heavy on client
increasing its CPU usage
than just sending the data directly to server
pearl elk
other way most likely, sending data from the server to the client
stiff crystal
do note that this will be used for MMORPG
I sometimes wonder if groups this big would need to have a mandatory MMO-dev channel
pearl elk
I do think a general help channel might be a good idea since we get alot of "where do I start" type questions
stiff crystal
I was more of thinking, if there were dedicated mmo channel, maybe the mmo talk would stay contained there 🤔
zinc matrix
olento's new favorite channel
pearl elk
thatd be the Unity channel 😛
zinc matrix
haha
stiff crystal
the quality of unity discord have dramatically suffered once it hit 20k+ users
their dots and render pipelines channels are still nice
most new users don't even know what they are so they keep out 🤔
also, I don't dislike new clueless users, but the level of spoonfeeding people demand nowadays is absurd
pearl elk
Its almost like they dont teach researching at school anymore
I like it when I have a specific question I can help people with, when its a nebulous thing like "where do I start" I just get lost
Its one of those types of questions that the answers all tend to start with "that depends"
lol for when your Cybertruck breaks down
median wraith
XD
soft night
they need Tesla Van
pearl elk
then they'll need a Tesla Van service vehicle for when it runs out of juice 😛
red basin
There’s a Tesla S Hearse
Also the Cybertruck had nice range on the best model. Not that it makes up for that body :p
pearl elk
Whats wrong with the body, you can ram through a crowd and not make a dent on the sexiest beast since the DeLorean
Im going to enjoy robbing banks even more now
red basin
Honestly it’s probably going to be a safety issue unless they have hidden crumple zones they haven’t talked about.
And UK it’s illegal. There needs to be bumper and hoods that can absorb some impact for it to be legal there
pearl elk
It probably wont pass the safety ratings here, the US is super lax on those things though
red basin
I dunno. We allow the old steel bodies of old cars but have special laws related to cars before certain years. Those cars caused a lot more damage because instead of crumpling by design in the front the impact is shifted to the driver
Lots of people suspect same problem with cybertruck
Cool the body didn’t dent that bad. Your driver is still halfway in his steering column
pearl elk
Well the safety ratings are for pedestrians as much as they are other cars. If your car is too strong you cant tell if youve had an impact, people already have this issue with larger 4wds
Cybertruck could literally drive over another car and not have a dent
red basin
Yeah, which is cool and all but not sure they thought about all the implications
Especially the UK market with it being not legal just on its face with no bumper and hood with appropriate impact absorption
pearl elk
they might be able to get special permits for people who want armoured vehicles but selling it off the lot like any other car I doubt it.
red basin
There’s farmers that are legit pretty hyped for it as a farm vehicle
Which makes sense
pearl elk
Id love to take it offroading but Id need to load it up on a truck to get it there
Im super concerned if all these soccer mums start driving em through school zones
back in my day only the strong survived, you had to think on your toes and dodge the light armoured vehicles on your way to school 😛
shame FPS Russia doesnt do clips anymore, could test to see how well it shapes up to small arms fire
red basin
It’s supposed to be effectively bulletproof to smaller calibers
Elon claims the glass only broke on the demo because the glass installed wasn’t the same as production quality and he didn’t know that I guess :p
pearl elk
Yeah I'll bet it could stop a 9mm hollow point, Im curious about 5.56, I doubt it'll stop 7.62
12ga solids... hehe
pearl elk
yeah but the Cybertruck is no where near that thick, its strong but its not steel its a composite
7.62 tears through a standard car so I guess anything would be better even a pile of snow
fluid bloom
It's supposed to be stainless steel, no?
pearl elk
Its an alloy, so its stainless steel and something else to make it lighter weight
I dont see Space X using it for anything other than small parts otherwise
That said I suppose a 2001 Monaro CV8 weighs more than Delorean which is surprising by a good 400kgs
Wonder if you could use a giant taser on it 😛
red basin
It’s 4x hardened steel or something? I forget how much. That’s partially why it’s so planar
Steel presses would break trying to shape the steel they used
pearl elk
yeah cold rolled, its the same thing they do to padlocks to make them harder to break with bolt cutters
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix I have no idea, just linked article. Google it.
signal citrus
Ford and tesla are the same company like Honda and Acura right?
zinc matrix
nah, I don't think Ford owns any Tesla part
trim bolt
Hey guys, new to unreal engine
not new to game design or C++
resources?
Maybe some Udemy video would be nice
trim bolt
sweet ty
pearl elk
do people not hit the learn tab in the launcher?
wild sail
I've got a new job working in a title using unreal. I'm a c++ programmer, I've done my own 3d engine in the past, and I know a good deal of unity. What would be the most comprehensive unreal course for someone of my level? Or documentation, Or book. Anything that can get me as high as possible works.
wild sail
will give it a go. Thanks.
neon iris
I say get your hands dirty
pearl elk
Its a huge bit of software so theres no silver bullet, just takes time to learn it all.
wild sail
do people not hit the learn tab in the launcher?
@pearl elk
I must admit I'm guilty here, my experience with unity official tutorials was that they kinda sucked. Messing around with components and reading documentation kinda worked better to me than a generic driving template.
Are the things in the learn tab in unreal launcher actually good?
neon iris
Yes
pearl elk
lol I never looked but thats because I been using UE for like 17yrs
sage tendon
The Blueprint Communication tutorial of Zak is key tho
pearl elk
asking me where to start is like, I have no knowledge of this place
Programming QuickStart is good though if alittle basic for someone who already knows C++ which is why I went straight to the API docs
wild sail
The Blueprint Communication tutorial of Zak is key tho
@sage tendon
I'm trying to google it, but all I'm finding is a stream. Is this a series of streams? or just one?
pearl elk
@signal citrus I'll erase your memory so you can answer where to start 😛
pearl elk
maybe we should start letting noobs drop into the darkness of the void
void* over there, over whe.........
signal citrus
lol echoey
pearl elk
If I tell people where I started then I need to give em this one
only took me 2 years to finish this one 😛
signal citrus
I’ve got that one on vhs
wild sail
I regret watching matrix recently. I was under the impresion that matrix 2 and matrix 3 were bad and matrix 1 was good.
pearl elk
first one is great, second two were pretty predictable and the CG hasnt aged well
wild sail
I feel that it's only decent. It happened to me the same thing with stargate, I remember being mindblown, and that feeling not translating to my present self.
pearl elk
Ahh the original movie just aint the same after SG1
Try watching the original Westworld after seeing the new series, its a comedy
wild sail
There's... an original westworld?
I have not watched the new one, but I tought it was the original.
pearl elk
yeah its got Yul Brynner
lol Intel still playing catch up, I really thought they might have something hiding away to pull out
signal citrus
I thought cgi was the point of the matrix
zinc matrix
I think AMD has learned on their mistake they did with Athlons and will not let Intel to catch them off guard anymore.
signal citrus
It’s aged well to drive the point home
pearl elk
lol it was even crap at the time
zinc matrix
Last Picard episode was good. The best from all that came out till now.
floral crown
Where may I ask some question about server and multiplayer?
pearl elk
oh Id forgotten about Picard, did it end up going anywhere or just filled to promote season 2?
@floral crown #multiplayer perhaps
zinc matrix
It was the fastest episode. Action was all over the place. Team is split and seems next episode will not slow down.
pearl elk
digital GDC, its the future, hope we can watch in VR 😛
I hope Epic considers doing the same on its streams
rich quiver
There future of unreal is very important
wild sail
there was a discord server about "notgdc" about people that were left out, couldn't go, or wanted to democratize it I think. From last year or so.
They might be happy that they've got the remote thing before the rest, if they're still a thing.
rich quiver
There the hashtag notgdc and a gamejam with the same name for the people can’t go to gdc
pearl elk
RIP trainjam I'll miss you the most
wild sail
was it a jam about train games?
pearl elk
its a jam on a train on the way
rich quiver
The video industry need a plan B not be too dependent on GDC and E3
deep glen
<_< why do you think nintendo and sony dont go
fathom wadi
they do. It's called "getting back to work you lazy BBQ planning gits" :p
fathom wadi
remember when E3 was the big thing. Now it's like a giant advert for non-industry people
carmine frigate
doesnt look like the virus wil stop spreading soon no matter how many conventions get cancelled
north torrent
It is barely even the beginning in the United States.
People in the US will get the coronavirus and just keep working. Gotta earn that money.
carmine frigate
just another thing to add to the list of things that can kill you when u go outside 😛
north torrent
It is only going to get worse in the US.
carmine frigate
ye but every place else aswel
north torrent
Not as much though. The US has a 'unique' healthcare system that will push people away from going to the doctors and getting tested, and instead just work through the pain while getting others sick.
carmine frigate
what u think a big city in india is like?
carmine frigate
isnt it pretty warm main land china atm?
fluid bloom
why would it be?
carmine frigate
it looked pretty warm there
carmine frigate
ahh that is fairly cold
fluid bloom
China is huge though, nearby hong kong the temperature is around 18 C
north torrent
I don't think I would ever want to go to India.
But I know that the US isn't going to be able to shut down people from going to work and school the way China did.
carmine frigate
martial law
north torrent
It is always warm in Hong Kong, I generally only wear a jacket 2 or 3 weeks out of the year when I'm in Shenzhen.
Northern China gets very cold though.
fluid bloom
yea I imagine the sea around hong kong and hainan area is quite warm always
carmine frigate
i just know its not the same temp as here dif climate
prolly depends a lot on the wind
north torrent
Did you know that the people in Shandong (Northern China) are on average 10cm taller than the people in Guangdong (Next to Hong Kong in Southern China)?
carmine frigate
if i travel 10 km i cant even understand their language
north torrent
Shenzhen is full of people who moved there from northern provinces, while the surrounding area has a totally different way of speaking Chinese.
I've heard some people from Shenzhen go to Hong Kong and have to speak English in order to communicate with the people there...
fathom wadi
It's time we had a universal language. I reckon it should be English as I speak it. But I am happy to learn Esperanto.
fluid bloom
lol esperanto
how about finnish?
how you say things maps to how you write things almost one to one
fathom wadi
I'd gladly speak Finnish too
Im the kind of person who feels guilty going to another country and not speaking the language. Last time I was in Spain, I tried to buy some stuff and almost lost my mind apologising for speaking english
fluid bloom
don't worry, I have a friend who has lived in Finland for ten years and he still only speaks english 😛
zinc matrix
See, in Egipt they used Blueprints as a language.
Actually, it was more like Substance Designer.
signal citrus
determination.
zinc matrix
Fuck, what if Emoji will become universal language?
signal citrus
it kinda is
fathom wadi
imagine if hexadecimal became the language.
north torrent
English has been solidified as the universal language and will remain that way until someone starts re-writing all the computers...
carmine frigate
if there is intelligent life out there i bet they sound sorta swedish
fathom wadi
does anyone remember those really annoying nerdcore people who got Binary wristwatches?
fathom wadi
@north torrent I can live with that. Although I would love to learn Japanese or dialects of Chinese language too. I mean, I learned like 10 programming languages. I should probably get another human language in my list 😄
carmine frigate
hmm i have no idea what i have on control V, i try paste it in chat but it says more than 2000 characters
fathom wadi
my wife's standard response to a one word reply?
carmine frigate
hahaha
north torrent
If there was another universal language I would learn it.
carmine frigate
its the copy paste of a control rig bp
fathom wadi
spanish seems to be as used as english in realistic terms but it never seems to get the same linguistic respect
north torrent
But I see little reason to dedicate the time to learning a language that is only used in a very exclusive part of the world.
zinc matrix
YES !!
north torrent
Spanish is a more common 1st language than English, Mr. Rogerson, but it isn't even in the same league when it comes to second language.
carmine frigate
there is that 😛
fathom wadi
here is a question for you Mao. Why is it that in Chinese cinema, they always portray the white people as usually racist? I watched IP Man 4 last night and it was like a "hate all whites" movie.
north torrent
Have you ever heard of the 'Century of Humiliation' Mr. Rogerson?
fathom wadi
oh yeah I get there is a reason for it, but it seems emphasized in an "over the top" way. Almost exploitation
carmine frigate
well american movies are sorta the same 😛
north torrent
I think there are at least 10x as many people who speak English as a second language than the 2nd place language, which I think might be French, or Spanish. Been a while since I looked at the numbers.
fathom wadi
yeah I guess. It just seemed like Chinese cinema is more logical in that respect
carmine frigate
it is also what sells
north torrent
It depends on what year the movie is set, Mr. Rogerson.
What year was that movie set?
fathom wadi
it was the last 20 years of Ip Man's life so 1960-1979
carmine frigate
why make ur own audience the bad guy? 😛
north torrent
If you watch Chinese TV, half the shows will be about fighting the Japanese. Anything that takes place around World War 2.
fathom wadi
yeah im not sure they intended this to be for international markets. Although the movies are highly respected in terms of story and presentation. Its a bit of bullshittery to make things more interesting than Ip Man just smoking himself to death, but still.
Funny co-incidence but one of the actors who fights Bruce Lee in the movie is from down the road from me. And one of Ip Ching's students teaches in my town of all places.
north torrent
I try not to touch Russian stuff. I don't want to get turned into a Russian Twitter Troll Bot.
fathom wadi
Russia is winning the troll game, by telling the truth about things people are unwilling to accept.
zinc matrix
Avalon wasn't Russian
north torrent
Maybe in your country.
carmine frigate
it wasnt?
carmine frigate
that movie is damn good
zinc matrix
yeah, no
fathom wadi
@north torrent as I dont have access to the Chinese seperatist internet system, I couldn't say. 😉
north torrent
Russian trolls can't get into Chinese social media.
I'm starting to think China may have actually got things right on the social media blocking.
fathom wadi
yeah you keep telling yourself that when you can't get the truth :p
north torrent
I am in Arizona, USA right now as I type this...
carmine frigate
i dont think u can really compare until u lived both
north torrent
I've spent 3 years in China.
fathom wadi
I lived before the internet. I have lived both. Just different degrees of it
the day I went to google.cn and searched for Tiananmen square and all i saw was roses and brochures, I knew something was fucked up
carmine frigate
the internet generation is just running a betatest. some ppl just eat a bunch of fish and fruit, a proven tactic for 10.000 years
fathom wadi
Edward Bernays had all this down almost 100 years ago when he wrote "Public Relations". We are all the products of a global business
north torrent
I'm just saying that I think Russia is a greater threat to the US internet than China is a threat to China's internet.
Not that I am in support of either.
carmine frigate
4 year old kids with cellphones and social media is not something planned or tested
fathom wadi
oh I think China already won that battle. No need to fight over it now. They own what they need to be at the top of the game. The rest is just fighting for scraps now
carmine frigate
we just shipped it
fathom wadi
yeah that whole 3g explosion was out of the blue really
I know they had them since the early 80's for the yuppies but when Nokia made that indestructible phone, things changed.
Me trying to be nice in a group, instead of just calling this person a twat.
see everyone. I am learning !
carmine frigate
a 3d model is like a sock with a sticker on it
north torrent
Can I put my foot in it?
fathom wadi
I do, often
zinc matrix
he just showed us his facebook
solar nebula
a 3d model is like the darksouls of geometric representations
It's the super mario of topology
fathom wadi
my 3d models are like the beginning of a "Why you need retopology" manual.
if I am making game ready I make them game ready, no problem. But if its not for a game, they end up crazy
solar nebula
Are your models the metroid of game assets?
fathom wadi
more like the Bethesda of game assets. They should be good considering the amount of experience I have, but they end up rushed, using out of date tech and get reused whenever possible :p
north torrent
I always end up caring too much about perfect topology and forget I am supposed to be modeling 10 more things that day...
zinc matrix
i always end up caring too much
fathom wadi
yeah thats one of my main problems in all my skillsets. perfectionism and the shame of it not being 100% perfect
zinc matrix
about my ex
plucky pagoda
I hate modeling, that's why I spend so much time making materials for prototyping that make my cubes look like something.
north torrent
In most other things, I am far more big picture focused and don't mind things being rough around the edges. But in 3d modeling I just get wrapped up in having perfect geometry.
Then again, back in 2008 when I was learning things were very different.
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda I have to say I didn't enjoy it much, but playing around with Blender recently really helped my enthusiasm
plucky pagoda
I'd prob ably enjoy it more if I had less on my plate, but when I'm trying to get as much done in as little time as possible the slow down sucks
carmine frigate
sculpting is fun
plucky pagoda
Right now I'm just instancing cubes and plannning on making actual meshes when it's closer to done
fathom wadi
yeah time is the real killer. Most of my issues come from money rather than time, but when im working solo, its like I have to do everything so time becomes a factor
north torrent
Back in 2008 polygon limits were a big deal and one edge you forgot to weld could mess up your whole render or import.
carmine frigate
i get handy with topo after like 3 hours but i dont sulpt that often
if u go a few days in a row its not too bad
plucky pagoda
All the little habits I have from 10+ years ago keep things lean. Optimization, draw calls, almost seems like an unlimited budget theses days depending on what you're doing
carmine frigate
you have to contantly have the next step and full picture in mind
fathom wadi
im about to get retopo on my Bender model. I made his head using way too many bad cuts and polys. Needs some work.
carmine frigate
how u do it?
fathom wadi
@plucky pagoda yeah when the polygon restrictions disappeared, all my optimisation routines went into draw calls and it helps a lot
carmine frigate
the magnet or shrinkwrap?
fathom wadi
@carmine frigate I dont know yet. never done it in Blender before
plucky pagoda
I split my nav meshes up into smaller volumes that can be toggled on and off as they're releveant and was shocked by how much it reduced the game thread time
carmine frigate
I usually just use snapping for most
but if u have something like shoulder to hand i often shrinkwrap it
fathom wadi
I might even just remake the entire head mesh tbh. I never liked the way I did it.
carmine frigate
pic 😛
fathom wadi
carmine frigate
nice 🙂
median wraith
Looking good
carmine frigate
bender 😛
fathom wadi
I had to cut the visor with a knife project and extrude but the mouth is the worst part. And the head has too many non-important polies
*polys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTHU7JavCY not that it really matters
fathom wadi
that reminds me. Need to rig the fingers
carmine frigate
i never did hard surface tho
fathom wadi
I was thinking about bendy bones for fingers too but I might just see what I can get away with using regular bones
carmine frigate
bendy wont export to unreal btw
fathom wadi
my next blender project is a hard model remake of a Tor Frick weapon
plucky pagoda
I like how did the animation on the mouth
carmine frigate
u can make morphs with bendy and expot those
fathom wadi
yeah this isn't a UE4 ready model by any means. I can replace the bones easily enough tho
carmine frigate
well i bet u can export it 😛
fathom wadi
its just a dial value and add extra bones
plucky pagoda
I've been wanting to look into animating textures on models for some of my future stuff. DId you copy that from a tut or what's the method?
carmine frigate
export, use unreal decimate tool 😛
plucky pagoda
ah
fathom wadi
that particular method was a shader that drew two Sinewaves and I manipulate the sine with Drivers on Bones.
Sine func
carmine frigate
i like blender but i like the unreal material graph better
zinc matrix
ok
north torrent
The Unreal Material editor is the best thing ever made ever... ever...
zinc matrix
unity has better
north torrent
No.
Literally nobody on Earth thinks that. Not even one person.
Not even the people who made Unity think that.
north torrent
No.
zinc matrix
Please stop trolling bruh
north torrent
You don't actually think that. You just like to say weird stuff for I don't know what reason.
zinc matrix
youre just trolling me
broken sigil
Tbh unity's material system is lightyears behind ue4
zinc matrix
stop spread hate omg
broken sigil
It's not hate, just saying what it is
north torrent
Unreal did it first, Unity tried to copy, but they couldn't even do that right.
zinc matrix
if you say so
north torrent
I do say so.
zinc matrix
i let you keep your false beliefs
north torrent
I'll let you continue to breath air.
zinc matrix
why your country spread coronavirus to other parts of the world?
broken sigil
Ah your are that type of person.... I see...
north torrent
Which one of my countries?
zinc matrix
china
broken sigil
Not sure what that has to do anything with ue4 or unity
zinc matrix
i am just curious
fathom wadi
jesus man he's getting through loads of that popcorn. He's gonna regret it when he poops
tawny mauve
Is bitcoin mining worth it?
zinc matrix
its not
We have like another 3-4 months of civilization left, after that it's full Mad Max, so I doubt anybody will care about bitcoin
civilization coin ?
tulip orbit
I have a new computer chair! 🥳
tulip orbit
only issue is that it only reclines in certain positions, and the first locking spot is a bit too far back
zinc matrix
thats a wild one
agile egret
Wanting to upgrade from a 1060 6gb, any opinions?
signal citrus
2070 from a 1060 is a jump for sure
tulip orbit
1060TI
signal citrus
1660ti maxq super
but nah a 2070 super or (2070 if you can find one) would be an excellent upgrade
agile egret
I'd prefer 60fps at 4k
agile egret
Can't you tell? I've been waiting xD
signal citrus
you could either end up with higher prices in a few months on this same stuff or lower
agile egret
My last upgrade was from a 1050ti to 1060 xD
I'm cheap
hmmm... I guess I could wait
signal citrus
well i meant because of the proximity of a supposidly launch of new gpu's by the end of next month
after gdc (cry) theres the gpu convention
which if it does not also get cancelled
nvidia will likely put out their new cards/specs
deep glen
:p i read that
agile egret
Its only 1500 short xD
signal citrus
your 1060 holds up with a 580
agile egret
I'm pulling your chain, for that price I'd grab a 1650S for 20$ more xD
I'll wait, honestly the 1060 6gb has been doing me fine. I just want my shaders to compile faster xD
signal citrus
that'd be cpu then
mystic sedge
Buy a threadripper if you want that
signal citrus
yeah, i highly recommend a 3970x
agile egret
pfffft
mystic sedge
Buy a newer, better threadripper lol
signal citrus
or a 1950x /2950x for cheap
agile egret
Yea, and the 500$ motherboard to go with it
signal citrus
I don't doubt this luos
I've been considering a 3990x if i could find a home for the 3970x
deep glen
iunno, all I know is I have yet to see the mat editor preview not instantly updating when tweaking shaders
agile egret
thats a 2k$ cpu
signal citrus
half lifemass time would be worth the jump from 3970x to 3990x tbh
but yeah shader compilation is instant
deep glen
lol lifemass
agile egret
Its proven that interruptions in iteration is disruptive to productivity
mystic sedge
But yeah I'd wait on video cards. AMD & Nvidia will probably both announce their new architectures for holidays
agile egret
Fine, I'll keep playing dota at 1080
signal citrus
m yeah good point on amd, i hope they pull something out
deep glen
im gonna regret buying a 2080ti
north torrent
I was able to run Red Dead Redemption 2 at 3440 x 1440 at max settings without running below 60fps on my RTX 2070.
agile egret
COV19 might drive the price up if china can't make the new cards xD
north torrent
China is starting to open back up.
agile egret
@signal citrus would you say the card is loud? I've got my setup near silent w/o watercooling
signal citrus
i've got a gurgling hybrid 2080ti
deep glen
i have a closed loop for gpu and cpu, never had such a silent pc hehe
signal citrus
sounds like my computer spits at me when i kick into graphics. air in the line or something
deep glen
though, the noise canceling headset makes noise moot
downside of that headset is that I dont hear my gf getting home
so I shii pants daily
tulip orbit
no thats jim carrey
agile egret
The Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 with a second fan (as a kit) was the best air cooler ever
stupid simple, and easy to install, and add/remove the fans
Has anyone noticed a big difference between two and three fan gpus?
deep glen
not much
north torrent
3 fans is a waste unless you have a very particular airflow pattern inside your case.
If you want your RTX 2070 to be more quiet, you can swap out the fans for Noctua fans.
Getting a card with a bigger heatsink will make the biggest difference though. One of those ASUS cards that takes up 3 pcie slots and has 3 fans might be pretty quiet, those heat sinks are massive.
agile egret
Okay, ASUS is known for that I guess? I'll keep that in mind
my cpu cooler is like 1000 grams xD
hmmm, the three fan 2070 super is 2x hdmi, 2xDP and 1xUSBC
I need 1xhdmi, 3xDP... but thats the 2 fan version 😦
Gigabyte has what I want
whoa! Aurus version has 3x hdmi, 3x DP AND the usb-c
who NEEDS that much display xD
but I hate LED
I have a single led strip in my case
north torrent
My 2070 has 2 Display Ports 1 HDMI and one USB C.
agile egret
Thats so frustrating. You have to nit pick at all these cards to get what you want. In some cases, you can't 😦
They should make the GPU with an "addon" that lets you choose the interface. like switchable xD
north torrent
I only use 1 display port and every once in a while the USB C for my touchscreen.
plucky pagoda
The only thing I plug into the display port is a display port to HDMI cable
plucky pagoda
I have crap monitors.
north torrent
My good monitor is quarantined because of the coronavirus...
agile egret
I went to goodwill and found a 300$ samsung 4k in the corner neglected for 100$
Some prick put the wrong power brick on it xD
Made whine when turned on. A proper brick and most of the whine is gone
hhahahaha
north torrent
That's my half length 2070.
I don't think the 2070 Super is available in that size.
agile egret
I butchered my card too
north torrent
Putting the 40mm fan to pull air out has actually helped.
agile egret
north torrent
With a bigger case you could probably use a few full size Noctua fans on the RTX 2070.
agile egret
It's a single blower card with a tiny heatsink. It didn't help xD
north torrent
Blower cards don't really work with fan swaps...
north torrent
I honestly bought it just because I liked the look of it. Bit it actually does do a little bit.
A lot of hot air accumulates by the port of the GPU, so it helps get a bit of it out of the case.
agile egret
Yea, it gets pretty hot back there
north torrent
It would be a horrible intake fan though, not much air pressure.
I have a 20mm thick and a 10mm thick 40mm Noctua. I ended up puttng the 20mm on the GPU.
fathom wadi
I just saw one of the funniest things ever in UFC. A guy was pretending to be rocked, did some rope-a-dope and convinced the ref so much he stopped the fight 😄
north torrent
That's what I do every time.
agile egret
Got a clip or link? @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
it was live so not yet but it will be on the internet in the morning if not now
fathom wadi
agile egret
Faked it too well
fathom wadi
yeah in realtime it looked suspect, but slowed down you can see him faking it then coming back with the counter. Shame for him really
stiff crystal
still waiting for noctua to bring the new D15 model out
also feel they should have totally announced this one on April 1st: https://noctua.at/media/wysiwyg/computex/2019/computex_2019_fanless_cpu_cooler.jpg
nova finch
that is jumbo thicc
nova finch
says lga 115x and AM4
signal citrus
looks like it could handle a threadripper really
zinc matrix
I have a question
signal citrus
what about?
zinc matrix
So I want to have a voice line play when someone shoots, an enemy is spotted or an enemy is killed, an autotrigger. How would I go about doing that
north torrent
Shooting people sounds mean...
nova finch
when your player does damage or w/e play a sfx
vocal vapor
Somethings off here 🤔
foggy path
That is pretty bizarre tbh
I'm sure there are Mac users in the Stadia team
There has to be Mac users in that team
:P
fluid bloom
TIL "next friday" means this week's friday in US english but in other variants of english it means next week's friday
it looks like the US got something right
😄
ancient hornet
weird, I would totally use the US meaning too
especially since it's so short to just say "friday next week" instead of "next friday"
fringe sundial
@median wraith 3 dollas
its 10 euros in europe
unless tey changed the offer
and btw, its because they are selling an expansion
and they sell DLCs and stuff
pearl elk
We have a shorter version here, we say "friday week" which is friday next week
fringe sundial
they changed it then
it was 10 euros when the offer started
honestly for 3 euros its a pretty good game just to play campaign
median wraith
I liked the first one, this one nope sorry
rain steppe
Where is this from?
fringe sundial
@median wraith damn their store sucks
im logging from netherlands and everything in dutch
and doesnt allow me to set spain as sale country
median wraith
XD
fringe sundial
VPN it is
stiff crystal
@rain steppe I think it was from Mixer 2020 announcement
but I can't find it anymore
all in all, it was an official image
stiff crystal
which was weird considering Blender isn't Epic's product
fringe sundial
and on their website
fringe sundial
they are, epic bought quixel
stiff crystal
Epic OWNS Quixel
rain steppe
I thought they financing it, not just brough
fringe sundial
and the context of the pic is about "all free pipeline" or stuff like that
rain steppe
As Blender
fringe sundial
ue4, mixer, and blender all as a fully free way to create games
stiff crystal
this basically enabled free megascans for ue4 users
well, UE4 isn't free if you ship a commercial game
rain steppe
Epic OWNS or Partners of quixel?
rain steppe
Epic is a good company
stiff crystal
this is great for Unreal users
kinda sucks for the rest because now megascans are everywhere
and other engine users still have to pay for them
winter zealot
Epic's nice in terms of tool offerings but is worrying for game publishing
Imo, when looking at the huge walled garden that is EGS I wouldn't say for sure that epic is a good company
that there are good people having lots of good will at epics, for sure
but EGS is basically some guy picking what game gets published or not, this is not how things should go
it seems to me that Tim Sweeney only complains about walled gardens because he wants to establish his own walled garden
winter zealot
it is, you can't freely publish a game
fluid bloom
how is it a walled garden if you can publish games outside it too? 🤔
you aren't forced to sell on EGS only
winter zealot
it is a walled garden because they decide who's in it or not, but people can't freely publish their games on it
winter zealot
it's a walled garden because the only person deciding what's on EGS is EGS
it's unlike steam or youtube, steam or youtube are not walled gardens
fluid bloom
it seems the term walled garden has changed a bit since I last heard it
winter zealot
there's gonna be a lot of non-gamedevs being in this gamedev discord, never having made a game on their own, saying "rarararara we need curation because not every game is like call of duty rarararara "
fluid bloom
anyway, I don't agree that everyone should have a right to publish on EGS
it's not some universal right
it's a business and epic runs it
winter zealot
but they just don't understand that free publishing is needed for indie games to exist, I won't bother explaining it to them
but to me personally, EGS will be good when and if it'll have free publishing for anyone, not before
I also doubt that they can technically make that happen, they seem very programming challenged
can't add a shopping cart to EGS, pages are taking years to display a bunch of texts and images, etc etc
people are so stupid tho 😊
they only see things trough the prism of rules " it's not ah-universal right so uh-it's not needed 😮 😮 😮 "
fluid bloom
Vasaloppet seems fun this year
winter zealot
if free publishing would not exist, half of gamedevs wouldn't be able to exist
who the f_ cares if it's a right or not, it's just gotta be there for people who want to make games
damn zombies always approving platform buisness owners no matter what they do
this is also why i'm very salty about EGS, tim sweeney is always there for bland statements about freedom in general, but is just establishing another walled garden
you would think that in the US, there would be the mentality of "everyone has the right to start his own buisness and to sell his stuff because it's part of what's freedom " or something like this
not even that...
winter zealot
I personally feel nervous every time tim sweeney is formulating an opinion about game publishing or game economy
for declarations of virtues in speeches and on social media, for sure he's there
but in practice, it all results in less freedom for gamedevs
fluid bloom
you're free to not use epic services, no?
winter zealot
i don't want EGS to grow, everytime EGS grow and I can't publish on it, it's a problem for me
fluid bloom
I suppose that's one way of looking at it
winter zealot
oh, another wonderful nonsense from jonimake: epic is offering games and to everyone every month, but publishing on Epic's store would be costing them money...
so publishing assets to unreal marketplace should be curated too ?
should twitter facebook and youtube curate who's publishing as well ?
winter zealot
nothing of what you say even starts to make sense economically
it's apalling to see people have such opinions
over and out
fluid bloom
stop being so idealistic 😄
winter zealot
steam youtube twitter facebook instagram and many more platforms have the buisness model I advocate for
fluid bloom
winter zealot
i'm not being idealistic, I make the most basic obvious sense
mossy nexus
yer haverin' a load o crap
winter zealot
i'm out, it's fine
done arguing with the denizens of moronistan wanting to restrict access to everything
soft night
something happening
pearl elk
Let this be clear, platform/storefront holders are not publishers
They can also be publishers but its not an inherent part of the business model. Look at a book store, many books by many publishers
When a storefront holder, like Apple, force publishers to conformance they are asserting their role as a walled garden. This is the difference, a closed store isnt anti-competitive on an open platform. A closed store on a closed platform is a walled garden
winter zealot
i don't care, I want to sell my games to many ppls, that's about it
i don't care about the boogity goobity fuckwitisms of who's a publisher or what
pearl elk
Yes but not fucken have a go at Epic for something they havent done, no one at Epic is getting in your way.
Keep it up and I'll report
deep glen
passes along some chillpills
fluid bloom
soft night
passes popcorn
pearl elk
Seriously no one is entitled to free publishing, pay for it yourself
winter zealot
yawns
pearl elk
Shit for brains
winter zealot
in the early 2000s people invented a buisness model where selling something on a platform would pay for the publishing by itself ...
fluid bloom
sure, but I think epic's goal was to be something else than steam
pearl elk
Tbh I prefer curated platfoms so it doesnt end up a flood of halfarse asset flips
Also helps to protect us from smut and filth
I wrote a letter to the review of ratings here in Australia, I made the recommendation that games through approved storefronts be self-assessed in a similar fashion to Netflix. Through non-approved storefronts, I had to recommend full cost of rating and only a few mechanisms for not needing to go through the ratings board as to protect minors. I wish it hadnt gotten to that but I can no longer trust the good intention of game developers
Especially not when they launch unprovoked tirades at people in public chat
Im with Tim Sweeney, I want this industry to grow up and be more mature, if it means sacrificing some of my freedom so be it. I just want my games to get past the actual censors, to be able to explore topics commonly seen in mature film and TV
Bit hard to do that on an open platform where everything has to be M rated or lower
vocal vapor
Eh I prefer the open wild west of modern game development. That being said EGS and Steam don't need to accept every game, because there's plenty of other storefronts.
Like Itch.
pearl elk
You could just sell it direct too but you still have to get your game rated to comply with the laws of each country youre selling. This is why publishers are handy, for localisation too
agile egret
Damn I have some chill pills too
EGS doesn't owe you a damn thing
They worked hard for what they have
You don't have to like it
Your game probably sucks
pearl elk
My games all suck, I admit it 😩
mossy nexus
My game is about a vacuum cleaner...
vocal vapor
Personally I'm on the stance of as long as the art isn't in violation of the nations laws it's being sold or presented in it should be allowed to be sold/distributed and store fronts can decide whether or not a rating is needed to stock it.
winter zealot
i'm not about what EGS owes me or not, i'm about what should be the dominant buisness model for games
agile egret
TAKE MY MONEIES!!
winter zealot
curation can always happen once games are published
there's a bajillion youtube channels you would consider bad, that you haven't even heard of
agile egret
You don't get it. EGS doesn't like your business model. They worked hard, and have a different approach
winter zealot
i don't care about EGS or what they like
it's not my buisness model, it's the dominant buisness model of all platforms
mossy nexus
We don't care about what you like either 😄
agile egret
then what in the world are you doing here?
winter zealot
facebook youtube steam etc etc
pearl elk
Well here the ratings board is trying to cut costs by using trusted storefronts to curate the content, then if needed a review can be conducted rather than the cost of rating everything
agile egret
Clever
winter zealot
for instance XXXSomeSadPersonOnDiscord isn't gonna like this game
agile egret
put the responsibility on those who publish
pearl elk
Open platforms are by nature harded to trust, Steam self regulates well but content still gets through
winter zealot
but other peoples are gonna like it, curation is subjective
agile egret
Yes, but epic doesn't care about anyone elses opinion
They don't care about mine, or yours
winter zealot
it should'nt be the platform's job to curate anything except hate speech and roms of mario64s
vocal vapor
I don't really like the idea of a nations government dictating what art can or cannot sell, it should be up to the storefronts, and just because somethings on a storefront doesn't mean you have to buy it, or look at it.
agile egret
They want to make the most money for the least effort
winter zealot
the curation_can_ happen once all the things are published
vocal vapor
Steam should probably do more to deal with actual copyright infringement and scams though.
winter zealot
i've never said i'm against curation, i'm against walled gardens
vocal vapor
That's my main issue.
pearl elk
Ratings are more about marking content so you know what to expect, censorship is a small part
winter zealot
peoples who don't wanna see certain games shouldn't have to
agile egret
Steam? !STEAM!? you mean that platform flooded with shit games?
I have yet to see a good "suggestion" by steam that didn't make me sick
winter zealot
EvoPulseGaming, you don't get to say what's a shitgame or not
vocal vapor
Yeah but ratings aren't necessary. They're nice to have but I don't think they should be mandatory for something to be sold.
agile egret
NO, I do, because I've worked on my game for 2 years, and its a shit game. I'm tired of seeing a game done in 6 months and thrown on steam
pearl elk
Do we really want games with beastiality, umm Im happy with my government taking a strong handed approach
winter zealot
my definition of a shitgame isn't your definition of a shitgame, and this is perfectly fine
really what i'm saying is the utmost basic thing
agile egret
I'm tired of seeing asset flipping, blueprint stealing. It sort of works, I can't fix the bugs kinda game
winter zealot
litterally every dominant platform as of now exists in the terms i'm describing
has nothing todo with idealism, or my personal feelings or whatever
agile egret
No, you are the basic thing here. Someone with an opinion that doesn't matter to epic.
pearl elk
Even if you get rid of ratings in 20 countries theres plenty more which will need it rated
agile egret
So if everyone else jumps off a bridge...?
winter zealot
let's say that EvoPulseGaming wants to make a game named "EvoCallOfDutyPulsePulseOmgDurDurDur"
vocal vapor
I'm not saying that every form of art should be allowed to exist of course but as long as it isn't illegal then it's fair game IMO. I'm not saying remove ratings just not make them mandatory.
winter zealot
but EGS wants to publish Ooblets instead of Evopulses's call of duty ripoff
agile egret
Lets say that Pillows wanted to make a game called "Fluff Ball racer"
winter zealot
what i'm saying is that both games should be published, that's about it
mossy nexus
You're saying every dominant platform is open?
winter zealot
steam is open
mossy nexus
Apple
agile egret
No
winter zealot
youtube, facebook etc
agile egret
never
winter zealot
steam is pretty dominant
agile egret
both should be canned
winter zealot
i mean, i can only explain it, if people don't want to understand it... I can't do nothin'
agile egret
Epic doesn't want that garbage
mossy nexus
Apple is a closed market.
agile egret
If I want to sell that, I can go to steam
winter zealot
usually people talking this type of shit are not game developers
agile egret
where they will gladly take my 30%
winter zealot
they're randos coming here because they play call of duty
sony and microsoft are pretty permissive about what games they allow
mossy nexus
Microsoft is closed
agile egret
You are free to search for my name on here
vocal vapor
I've just kinda noticed a pattern where every indie game haven kinda turns into a shovelware dumpster fire.
winter zealot
microsoft has XBLA and this indie program where anyone can submit games below 1gb
vocal vapor
Not a matter of if but when a lot of the time.
agile egret
OMFG!
pearl elk
Indiepocalypse 2.0 now lootcrates bein banned hehe
agile egret
Good luck
winter zealot
and all the arguments of people against free platforms are like "rararara no one owes you nothin" " and "rorororo i don't like all these games so they shouldn't exist"
agile egret
So. I actually bought an xbox one, because of a program by microsoft that would allow me to develop my game on unreal
guess what?
Shit didn't work
was abandond
winter zealot
it's not even an argument honestly, it's sending back people to the primary school they didn't attend properly
pearl elk
Screw Microsoft
winter zealot
and if evopulsegaming was a real game developer, he would have ported his game to another engine and have it published
mossy nexus
don't be a dick
winter zealot
oh, Monsium doesn't like microsoft because they allow all the games now 😊
winter zealot
@mossy nexus I don't want to be a dick and i'm willing to take back things that people think are offensive
winter zealot
oh yeah, UE4 is bad on UWP that's for sure
agile egret
what are you talking about
winter zealot
fortunately there are other engines, but it might take more time to make a game on UWP
winter zealot
... I could publish very easily on microsoft's platforms if i wanted to
VictorBurgos in this discord published his game on XB1 and is working on it as we speak, which is awesome
agile egret
screw them, I spent 400$ on an xbox because of there dead in the water promise
dead
A single update caused this code to stop working
(an update to the xboxes)
winter zealot
microsoft actually gave him hints on what to improve to be accepted onto their platform, I must say I was rather impressed by their publishing awesomeness
winter zealot
fitting that I don't want EGS then 😊
or I'd want EGS if it would have free publishing for every game, a good curation system for those who want it (altrough I don't trust Epic for engineering it) and of course no publishing for hate speech or copyrighted material such as nintendo64 roms etc
I've never said I want players to drown in shovelware
but mostly, if Epic isn't even capable of doing a lag-free appstore with a shopping cart and decent review system... I quite honestly don't think they're capable of pulling anything good
pearl elk
We're already drowning in shovelware which is why a closed curated platform like EGS is s breath of fresh air
vocal vapor
Won't be for long.
winter zealot
then they boast EGS sales number thanks to Metro2222 and Read dead redemption, and I'm like... those are not achievements from EGS, those are achievements from Metro2222 and ReadDeadRedemption, of course people are going to buy awesome games no matter how bad the store
red basin
UWP?
winter zealot
yeah it stands for UniversalWindowsPlatform
red basin
Ah gotcha
winter zealot
this is when I click on steam's early access page, no shovelware noticed, that is all
pearl elk
I find myself logging into Steam less and less, Ive come to the realisation I never actually needed it, it was just there to play the good games I enjoy. It didnt offer me much past that experience
Maybe the shit store doesnt matter cuz stores in general are unimportant, only good games are. People will buy it through any means if its worth it
winter zealot
this is page5 of the earlyaccess tab of steam, still no shovelware
deep glen
Twitter
winter zealot
okay let's search games on steam then
pearl elk
Discovery hasnt been improved
winter zealot
oh, because EGS was improved alot ?? 😮 😄
pearl elk
The recommended games are laughable, cuz you liked this game you'll like this game which is completely unrelated
pearl elk
Dont even need to search on EGS, every game is quality
just close your eyes and pick one at random
agile egret
This^
pearl elk
I cant take anyone seriously who doesnt consider clicker games or <whatever> simulator to be shovelware
winter zealot
searching fps and scrolling trough all the results shows a lot of known games and a few unrelated results, no sign of " drowning into shovelware"
agile egret
"bird simulator"
pearl elk
Types of people who thought Crossy Roads was a masterpiece of originality not just a Frogger clone
agile egret
Bro.... Those are some old games
deep glen
wont find unusual indie gems that way
agile egret
winter zealot
i could sort by new if you wish
pearl elk
lol new, cuz Quake was released in 2008
agile egret
The fact you would screen shot the top rated in FPS and claim steam isn't shit. proves overwise
pearl elk
Super Hybrid Musto Gusto Edition "new game"
winter zealot
my point was: no shovelware
agile egret
?
pearl elk
Steam News 1/13
agile egret
Lets look at new releases
winter zealot
results : indie fpses, known fpses, one or two potential shovelwares
pearl elk
lol Specials, half of it is Final Fantasy Remasters
winter zealot
final fantasy games are not shovelware....
agile egret
yea, wait till you get past the first page
deep glen
filter crappy dlc
agile egret
winter zealot
final fantasy is a very famous series of rpgs having sold million of copies trough decades
agile egret
pearl elk
Elder Scrolls Online, nothing in my play history suggests I want to play this game
agile egret
winter zealot
you're not showing what were the keywords or the sorting method you've used EvoPulseGaming
pearl elk
Oh no I have to manually go, ignore to every single 50k titles on Steam I dont want to play
pearl elk
I love the stream thing at the top of the store pages... NOT
winter zealot
if it's popular, it means that it's wishlisted alot and people want to play it, so it's not shovelware
pearl elk
disabled that crap
agile egret
You mean by 12 year olds with nothing else to do?
You do understand that kids have flooded the "opinions" of games right?
winter zealot
what they want to play is not your buisness
agile egret
No
what I want to play
with other adults is
kids can go play in steam
leave epic game store alone
pearl elk
My Steam has become very Asian orientated
winter zealot
which is why you can wishlist the games you want and have curated lists accordingly
pearl elk
could it be because there are so many more people in Asia so the results get skewed
winter zealot
the whole world is gonna cease to exist because his highness monsium isn't having enough irak based fps...
pearl elk
I dont mind some anime but its crazy, I had to block the entire tag of graphic novels
winter zealot
blizzard games are massively popular in asia, but asia is the problem of course
so what, you blocked an entire tag of graphic novels.. that's curation, that's how it should work
pearl elk
Seriously dont act like you know me or my taste in games, youre worse than Steam 😛
agile egret
pfffffffttttt. Cause I play dota, you think I want this?
winter zealot
with million plays... of people liking those games
zinc matrix
hi
zinc matrix
@pearl elk why use steam at al
winter zealot
none of the games shown in these screencaps, minus prolly one or two actually are shovelware
pearl elk
I only logged in cuz we were talkin bout it
zinc matrix
liarer
winter zealot
so the shovelware argument as far as i'm concerned is entirely bogus
pearl elk
I dont really need it 🙂
zinc matrix
embrace the ignoble gaming platform
winter zealot
if it's so ignoble, why is everyone using it ?
where is the so called " shovelware drowning " ?
agile egret
because there is nothing else? Until EGS showed up
pearl elk
I have an old account I used for games back in the early 2000s
agile egret
I only have it for dota anyways
pearl elk
back when Steam was still good
zinc matrix
@winter zealot lmao your scammed by steam
winter zealot
all those guys arguing with me are not even gamedevs
agile egret
lol
zinc matrix
embrace the scam