bryce too
#lounge
signal citrus
yeah i tend to rely too heavily on google when communication with others would probably be faster and more accurate a lot of the time lol
bold fulcrum
Someone here remembers encarta, omg!
signal citrus
there was another one.. i can't remember the name
agile egret
britannica?
signal citrus
could have been
agile egret
World Book, or Americana
signal citrus
World Book
agile egret
Another google search to the rescue xD
agile egret
Thanks
I just learned the history of britannica because of that xD
My google fu is top notch
median wraith
whats going on here ?
carmine frigate
1st thing i do, its gets u more hyped when starting the project
its the little things that do work 😛
agile egret
Does anyone have good sharex settings for recording (so I can upload to discord without getting chewed out over size limits)
carmine frigate
there is size limits?
agile egret
drag n drop to discord, yes
carmine frigate
ahh i usually use gdrive link
agile egret
I'm lazy, I just want to show something off
agile egret
hahahaha
carmine frigate
i did that on purpose 😛
it my view on life the world and other things
abstract art
I am sophisticated like that
agile egret
Oh yea?
carmine frigate
yea, im not crap at animating at all
like her eyes point upwards but still looking down cuz her head is upside down
pretty deep huh
carmine frigate
tnx, 2020 is gunna be the year of digital abstract art
dont need to take much effort, thats not what abstract is about
sounds like some scam from talentless artists, but no this is real serious 😛
its about the thought after u made something w/o thinking
median wraith
every button is the same widget with left align
except the engine decided EXTRAS should be middle centered
carmine frigate
is my brain broken or is that not how u spell extras
agile egret
broken for sure
median wraith
@carmine frigate how you spell it
carmine frigate
i dunno 😛
i only seen it Extra
yea im not native english sometimes there is parts missing 😛
north torrent
There are extras in the back if you lose your pencil.
That's how it is spelled in that context.
carmine frigate
there are extra pencils in the back
vocal vapor
Leave
carmine frigate
extra extra read all about it
vocal vapor
Or other exit synonyms
carmine frigate
pussy out
north torrent
That's the more common way of saying that sentence, but I was trying to use extra in plural form, not as an adjective.
It in't a word that is used a lot in English, not in a plural noun form.
carmine frigate
yea i didnt say it was wrong
i never wrote it like that
i think u never have to
sometimes i go around things im not sure how to write
north torrent
90% of the things you can do in English you never have to do.
Unless you are writing a poem or a song and need to change the structure of the sentence in order to fit they rhyme or meter.
carmine frigate
but here doesnt matter what behind the button extra wil do right?
carmine frigate
@median wraith yea dude im exposing the scam right now
north torrent
I didn't catch the whole conversation to really understand what the goal of the menu button is.
north torrent
Life is slow.
median wraith
best way to get milliseconds ?
carmine frigate
better gpu
carmine frigate
nah he lives in spain that stuff overheats
clever helm
rip
median wraith
that was so random
deep glen
get new gpu and airco
install a new gpu in airco
nvidia airco gtx 2180
better yet, build whole pc in airco
carmine frigate
my pc room gets pretty hot in the summer aswell, im not a fan of airco tho
deep glen
me neither
carmine frigate
i basically get a shock when i go in a supermarket when its 30C outside
stable escarp
- or - ?
median wraith
I was talking of a time counter, not sure if you are all trolling me or what (found a it anyway)
🤔
deep glen
going in just hardens nipples :p going out makes me want to go back in again
@median wraith not trolling, but if you where asking for a time counter, ask a sibling or relative to count for you.
carmine frigate
hmm i did a race lap track tutorial timer once
long time ago its way way more complicated than i thought
i was like wtf, i just want a timer goin down
carmine frigate
best way to get milliseconds ? that sound like u want more fps
this is not a 100% troll 😛
median wraith
do you think I will ask after use the engine for 6 years whats the best way to get more milliseconds ?
median wraith
well probably the day my brain is cleaned by some alien or a car
carmine frigate
sometimes u just spew random shit 🙂
fathom wadi
hes on another level. Got to keep up owninator :p
carmine frigate
yea but get milisecond can mean so much 😛
i thought he would say haha ur wrong u just do thing and fps is 50% up
fathom wadi
language barriers aside it can yeah. Like if you were serious about time at all, perhaps not using the engine is the better option
median wraith
had other problem before in the unreal channel, I asked if can make a tool in with the engine... and someone reply me I can do anything
deep glen
heh
median wraith
while in my head I mean about the license terms but didn't explained it
so yeah my fault on both cases
I'm old
zinc matrix
same old same old man
carmine frigate
we are all fine here, this aint too bad 😛
but man that timer tutorial i remember that1
deep glen
question: whats the word for a building where old artifacts are stored, yet not accessible to the main public?
carmine frigate
like wtf all those nodes for a timer
deep glen
would that still be a museum?
carmine frigate
a thieves den
spare glade
An Archive perhaps?
median wraith
Cemetery
deep glen
lol
archive sounds good to me
preservatory was another one
"2. a place in which people or things can be protected from moral or physical decay"
median wraith
archive are accessible arent ?
deep glen
moral decay even
carmine frigate
btw i finished that timer tutorial like a champ in 1 go 😛
good old days where i got my timer working
carmine frigate
i never used from seconds or format number zero
median wraith
first one come in the engine
second is custom
I have to write something in the web related with "How I destroyed UE4 to create this game"
@fathom wadi and yeah I'm in the poop tier
🤖
carmine frigate
everytime i touch c++ my project wont start up anymore 😛
median wraith
this was an strange week 3 different individuals talked to me via dm in different apps and after reply they said nothing
carmine frigate
people skills 🙂
median wraith
I listen the crows from here, that noises in the background you know xD
rolling desert things too
@carmine frigate "How I destroyed UE4 to create this game" could be more related with the graphics shaders than the engine itself
carmine frigate
@median wraith you dont stream at all anymore?
median wraith
I drop it when started at the job, now that I don't work there anymore could return
but doing recordings overall so plan rather to make videos
about progress
carmine frigate
yea, not sure about dev streams
median wraith
the streams end with 2-3 individuals and well
carmine frigate
dev is just too hard to really do unprepared stream
its basically some1 stuck in his own thoughts 😛
median wraith
well now that got the discord thing its better that the people enter there ask and interact than on the stream, plus Im with a single monitor right now
recorded and stored things are better than the streams usually on my end, could do these in randoms time to time but
carmine frigate
if u jump in a stream middle of some1 coding or making a blueprint u cant follow that
median wraith
No, a poor ape
carmine frigate
im on 1 monitor atm
bleak thicket
i already started to stack in storage the monitors under 25"
deep glen
ffs, "paste with formatting" should imho not be the default.
"Pate without formatting" should not be the secondary option.
carmine frigate
could use another 2 if im not chillin and goin 200% effort
median wraith
@carmine frigate people usually wants fast food content aka art, coding is boring and a programmer won't even enter and people usually don't follow it, so art or gameplay
deep glen
I need more monitors <_<
median wraith
I notice that back in the time
median wraith
If you are a woman and do art and game play then you get all the viewers in creative @carmine frigate
carmine frigate
i can make a women that does art tho
bleak thicket
depends on the size of the cam view ;)
median wraith
The fish eye effect
carmine frigate
i actually thought about just goin full insta
bleak thicket
always so lovely seeing those streams where the gameplay is actually the small thing in the corner while she is the main fullscreen
agile egret
it was an accident
median wraith
Dancing and playing with a wheel
agile egret
she didn't know how to set it up
bleak thicket
hahahaha
agile egret
for the 57th time that month ...
bleak thicket
did someone of them actually said that?
agile egret
No, but I can imagine one doing that
bleak thicket
sad ;)
median wraith
@bleak thicket plus these people is that poor that wear the clothes from when was 16 and don't fit anymore that the whole body is a sausage
agile egret
Thats why all the guys donate
carmine frigate
hmm i think im not hip anymore 😛
agile egret
to get the poor girl some clothes
bleak thicket
\o/
and she just buys a better mic
that is smaller
to show more of her tits
:D
agile egret
exactly
carmine frigate
well fuck u guys i have a pornhub premium account
median wraith
Anyway there is decent people too
bleak thicket
decent people?
wait wait wait, all stop
someone said there are decent people in the world
agile egret
before women turned it into a tease for little boys
agile egret
Steaming is just a PG version of pornhub now.
median wraith
How is named in English the guy that ends buying everything always and get nothing?
bleak thicket
median wraith
Well the faul that kind of people is so popular or used to be so popular is because these that support them so it's theirs fail at the end of the people supporting these kind of practices
agile egret
@bleak thicket I stopped watching 30 seconds in... black screen
What kind of intro is that xD
bleak thicket
classic amiga intros dude :D
Push Over is a total classic of Amiga
but you kids probably never heard of it!
agile egret
Atari was the first of my generation
bleak thicket
pffff
median wraith
That's an ant?
bleak thicket
LOL
holy shit dude 8-D
amiga is genius
you will get 23948762347823 new game ideas
just by playing the amiga games
like they have more idea in games on there than you see in the last decade of game dev
fathom wadi
the amiga was the best computer I ever had. Although I did swap it for a Snes with a Magicom 😄
median wraith
There are like 10 types of parts
bleak thicket
wait let me check what i have downloaded so far
fathom wadi
yeah WinUAE is a horrendous mess of configurations tho
median wraith
Don't think you can make a game today with more than 4
bleak thicket
mh? no idea :D could be
median wraith
What's the resolution of that thing?
fathom wadi
It reminds me of a domino type game around that time
makes me feel fkin old that I knew that.
bleak thicket
haha
Zool 2 when we are already at this ;)
the games that went beyond their sponsorship
fathom wadi
my wife was telling my daughter about Zool the other day. In respect to how we used to get marketed at with sugar overdoses and epilepsy based animations
median wraith
Well someone posted here the other day the people that born post 1993 can't optimize games, think on it the good things
bleak thicket
Zool 2 was the killer yeah
i loved it!
I still think we need a VR remake of Aztec Challenge
i try to get in contact with the guy who made it, but its kinda harder
fathom wadi
@median wraith I can see why, because old coders used to have to go low level. Now we sit with layers of tools that didn't exist back then
bleak thicket
or lets say finding out who owns the rights and actually get them ;)
but i think the guy has it cause on his webpage he has a web version of it hehe
median wraith
@fathom wadi and all these that learn to make games in some school rather than by themselves
And yeah using current layers of tools
fathom wadi
yeah its a shame we dont do more programming like in the 1980's when BBC Micros were being promoted
bleak thicket
actually i dont think the programming is relevant
more the attitude
those people where pioneers
making games for people who never saw games before
more or les
s
fathom wadi
now its just "heres how to use Office so you can be you're boss' typist"
median wraith
In other hand I did a bit of all and was on the open source engines community etc before this so in my pile of crap there must be something to optimize I'm on that limit after all xD
I worked with a person that study for 2 years in the school about video games ue4 and Blender, I told he everything I know took me 10 years and he made fun asking why so much as he spent 2 years 🤔
fathom wadi
teach programming and you offer critical thinking, logic building, problem solving and more to the student. I think that's worth investing in whilst we look forward to the AI that will change everything. Teach a generation to code that AI so it speeds things up.
bleak thicket
@median wraith but was he as good as you?
in my experience, people coming from university generally suck, only thing you can give them is research
;)
median wraith
@bleak thicket what do you think?
fathom wadi
if people from uni are so bad, why are AAA full of them and producing quality games? 😄
median wraith
I just didn't say a crap and that was all
bleak thicket
@median wraith i dont want to humiliate you ;-)
bleak thicket
@fathom wadi there are 150-200 developers on those games, sometimes 3-4 years
median wraith
He only know how to use Blender and drag drop things to ue4
bleak thicket
@fathom wadi now think about cloning yourself 10 times and get 1 year of free time paid
fathom wadi
yeah its next stage development of future assets, so you have to respect that people from uni need investing in to make better games.
bleak thicket
i once did auto-motor-und-sport.de as technical project leader, we had 2 months time and a team of 5 people to make it work. The previous version we replaced was build by 20 people who studied in a 3 years timeframe.
and we really had to redo everything
i am doing right now complete elearning platforms for 100.000< americans..... alone
i dont need stinky studied people telling me what they learned in kindergarten! :D
@median wraith i am right now teaching a guy of 45 years with no IT preexperience how to make games
@median wraith and he learned that import from blender in the first 3 months ;)
and all that paid by the government! :D
median wraith
Hahaha
Yeah the best people I know are the IT or alike no direct games related ones working on games
When I finished in school and that 2 years later they made that video games thing wasn't a thing before
zinc matrix
why this game Kenshi is so popular? looks like made by drunk
fathom wadi
because it has a full editor, and is utterly brutal
try play it vanilla and see if you can get anywhere. It will take a few attempts to get to grips with it. The difficult is silly. But you can also mod if however you like. I made a campaign with, and edited a full city
zinc matrix
HOLY the trailer is so good
fathom wadi
in terms of game dev, you have to respect it as its a fully fledged game editor
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi why it has EDITOR ?
median wraith
@bleak thicket I do a different list of task as programming, shaders and level building but I need more time to do these tasks than a person that's focus on one of these that's the fact
fathom wadi
yeah
bleak thicket
@median wraith that for sure, you need a lot of crew
fathom wadi
its pretty much all built in via scripts and events within a UI. Plus you can edit the world however you like
bleak thicket
@median wraith but the better you are at the base the less the crew must do on top
you can literally spare thousands of work hours by making a good base with 10 hours more work
median wraith
The problem is if I go only as programmer will lost over a guy that just code
As is faster than me on these tasks
median wraith
XD
bleak thicket
trying to make a game company, actually already founded, but still have to make income
no
fathom wadi
finding a job as a generalist in the industry sounds more like a political move than a skillset comparison
or slavery
bleak thicket
i have some people around, but people are...... never easy ;)
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi id rathter have the owner do it for me
bleak thicket
i got that one employee as said, paid by governemnt
but he has no pre experience
i form him towards something productive
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix ahh then I wouldn't play it. It doesn't sound like its for you
bleak thicket
i can actually get even more people by the government but if i train more then i cant get anything done
but if i reach some stage where we have simple tasks, i would start hiring way more
government pays them all
median wraith
@fathom wadi but for example let's say someone hire you and your technical artist (that's the most generalist) but hire you as programmer only, at the end a real only programmer will catch you in times and to the ceo you will be a weight
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix its a sandbox. you can download mods that give you something to do, but its a sandbox really.
median wraith
In my experience they like that you know of everything and all good things but if don't meet times well
fathom wadi
@median wraith yeah the problem with training in lots of areas is real. But then its a choice. We can always specialise. Its not as fun, more of a grind, but you can do it
fathom wadi
stiff crystal
@fathom wadi push over was great 🙂
used to play that alot back then
I actually still have original box with PC floppy disks somewhere 😄
hmmm, apparently I have it on steam too (https://store.steampowered.com/app/814650/Pushover/)
stiff crystal
it probably isn't
like seriously, most indie mmo's don't just work/ give enough to attract playerbase needed for MMO's
zinc matrix
bro
stiff crystal
I was going to ask why you changed your nickname but I now saw that Luos kicked Karol out in past
north torrent
I intentionally make games nobody will like.
zinc matrix
i looked the game called Kenshi and its insane.. theres huge 'shock-effect' factor goin on.. slavery, starving, killing and the like
but im not good at writing so many systems and interconnecting them
though thats one way to bring players
north torrent
Those things are bad... I don't like it when bad things happen in games.
agile egret
:
zinc matrix
quads
north torrent
4444444444
stiff crystal
they totally missed opportunity on making 404 version
4.0.2 was what we got
as another note
wonder if this will go any better than the old networking tutorial series: https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/events/1717279-network-multiplayer-fundamentals-february-27-live-from-hq
agile egret
I hope so, I got so confused I still would argue against the devs. I even made my own "blueprint system" designed to detect which "networking" mode an actor was in, from which point of view ect.
I was told I am wrong about it... the results don't lie man xD
Hell, I use this "wrong" system in my game. I handles networking in any mode, PIE, standalone, dedicated, listen, PIE listen
The only one that doesn't seem to work right is shared screen, but apparently even one of the best devs I talked to said it was a nightmare
real palm
🤔
agile egret
On another note, this dude is totally killing it. He's redesigning the ocean's floaty thingy system:
signal citrus
What’s your password?
signal citrus
Lol
bleak thicket
seriously, some people are really stupid...... someone saying that it may be stupid to enforce solar panels on new buildings becausee...... hear that..... they might become ineffective with the next decades technology development
because energy out of thin air is for sure becoming so ineffective that you think about upgrading your stuff ;-)
"ITS TECHNOLOGY!!! IT BECOMES INEFFECTIVE!!!! DOH!!!!!"
north torrent
Always have to be moving forward if you don't want to get left behind.
Being stuck on fossil fules is a sure way to lose in the long run.
bleak thicket
well if you wanna go all the facts, right now renewable energies are the cheapest way to produce energy
in the last decade it already beat nuclear
so right now its all just stupid vs reality
people ignoring the facts of cost and people who actually activate their brain
lucky for americans: in all governments are a lot of stupids ;)
north torrent
Forget about the planet and saving the environment. Give me solar and wind simply because it is a better long term investment.
bleak thicket
it is even short term already
it is RIGHT NOW cheaper and better
forget environment
ignore that argument and all the long term consequences
;)
north torrent
I'm the kind of person that when I play strategy games I always rush to get the next level of tech before the other players. I was guns when you are still using swords, and I want tanks when you discover the musket.
bleak thicket
low poly terrain doesnt exist per se
north torrent
Just use the terrain tool...
hidden idol
how to make it look low poly?
north torrent
Lower the poly count.
bleak thicket
well low poly is just colors
i mean depending on what your low poly concept is ,)
if you have the classical low poly then you have classical simple textures with clear colors
so every face having a clear color
then you need to do the same on the environment, which is like just making it colored in those same fitting colors
and then add up..... the level forming it, and then it looks already low poly
the question is, if it fits to your rest
just like you cant just take a comical grass ground and combine with a simple low poly characters cause they are not fitting if one is just plain colors while the other have structure in the color
i also felt in that trap ;)
seeking "low poly terrain"
north torrent
Anyways, the big oil companies are like the guy playing a strategy game and dumping all his gold into sword units while every other player is already developing rifling...
Dump some gold into science, god damn it...
bleak thicket
oh dont be stupid
they are also the biggest people taking money from the government to research on renewable energy
so that they can approve that it doesnt work ;-)
have a good case here, they tried to use alge for energy and food production
north torrent
Fossil fule companies take insane amounts of socialism money from the US government in order to keep making their profits...
bleak thicket
and our local power supplier was approved for making a field test of it
which the government paid fully
they made everything wrong, the setup, the test method everything
they even used wrong alge
and then approved that this method doesn't work
\o/
i like how you call it socialism money ;)
in real the rescue concept is actually nailed into capitalism, americans just dont know that
banks can only exist with the approval of the government to be rescued if failing, thats capitalism ;)
north torrent
The United States is socialism for corporations and farmers and rugged capitalism for the working class that aren't farm owners.
bleak thicket
hehe America is a land of wrong terms
Bernie Sanders suggestions are Ultra Conservative in europe ;)
as i always like to say: There is no far right party in Europe questioning universal healthcare ;)
so with universal healthcare you get literally on the level of far-right in europe ;)
north torrent
A lot of US presidents between 1900 - 1950 were comparable to Bernie Sanders.
It is really the post Ronald Reagan era of US politics that has taken a far right turn.
bleak thicket
might be, i really didnt analyzed that this much in compare, but yeah, it feels like that something cant be right, BUT............. you have to admit: the racism was ALWAYS there
north torrent
But they keep socialist practices for the big banks and corporations like big oil, big pharma, and large farm owners.
But then they act like the working man is crazy because he wants to benifit from the social programs he paid into.
bleak thicket
they are not grasping the concept of the cake growing instead of the cake sharing ;-)
a country is a cake that grows with the people being productive for it, not a cake that gets shared under the people in it
north torrent
The racism was there, but it was slowly and steadily being smothered. Like when you take a pillow and try to murder someone with it (we've all done that).
We were in the slow drawn out process of smothering racism, and then someone came along and stole the pillow, letting it breath again.
bleak thicket
I think you are dreaming on that part ;) i think the racism was always really strong, but so integrated that it wasn't really obvious
north torrent
Sounds like someone who hasn't lived in the United States.
bleak thicket
its always this....... Americans like to SAY they are not racist, but they ACT differently
oh i was 2 months there
and I work for US companies since 10 years
and so my income is bound to the USD rate
which made me a very..... interested person
i was going through all the same stages as all americans when trump was coming
"Nah, he doesnt win, they are not that stupid"
look at the USD EUR rate at the time trump was voted in
north torrent
Racism was never gone, but you are crazy if you think we wern't making progress slowly.
bleak thicket
he had cost me 10% of my income for some time
OH! i dont say you werent making SLOWLY progress
i just say you are still decades behind at that point from other coutnries
from the actual modern civilization
just like... nothing to be proud of
agile egret
Stop watching the news
bleak thicket
HAHAHAHAHA
agile egret
racism is not a big deal as they make it
bleak thicket
LOL
agile egret
this is coming from a german who grew up in america
north torrent
I am just frustrated that 20 years of slow (too slow) and steady progress was deleted in an instant by one single man.
bleak thicket
yeah you are just in some bubble and dont see it
i think the people yelling to obama to be hung and burned did that already before
;-)
agile egret
right... coming from a black and white family who am I to speak?
agile egret
texas xD
bleak thicket
LOL
agile egret
Now what?
bleak thicket
Texas has bubbles
else NASA wouldn't exist
I watched also those movies ;)
I must say: Texas is less crazy as it was made
Florida is way more crazy ;)
agile egret
Everything is less crazy as its made on the news or movies or youtube
bleak thicket
not all
north torrent
The people yelling for Obama to be hung were on the outskirts of society and they knew if they put that on their Facebook page any legitimate employer would fire them instantly.
Now it has been normalized as opposed to something they had to hide and do in the shadows or only around other crazies in the back woods of Kentucky.
bleak thicket
some things are more deep
dude
i just want to remind
that every county (beside 5) have 10% trump voters
never ever ever ever forget that
(Funny thing: the county with the lowest % was Washington D:C.)
agile egret
Of course, he walked in there and destroyed every idea of what makes a politician
bleak thicket
no no
agile egret
these guys used to work hard to steal/bribe their way in
bleak thicket
he proved that the american system is a pure flaw
bleak thicket
let me be absolutely clear: 3/4 of what he does can't be done in germany
north torrent
Texas is importing crazy amounts of liberals from the west coast to come do tech industry jobs. They will have totally flipped their political and world views on their head within the next decade.
agile egret
Thats fine, this isn't germany, and I wouldn't want it to be anyways
bleak thicket
and in germany
you would get consequences
if you break the law
even if it was on presidental/consular order
so all those ICE agents who put children into cages should be trated as if they actually put children into cages
agile egret
Watching to much fake news my man.
bleak thicket
no ;)
bleak thicket
yeah, but that is like only possible cause he got some real voters
agile egret
He will win again
north torrent
Only someone who doesn't look at the numbers would say that.
agile egret
He can't loose to the lunatic democrats
agile egret
Right, and those "numbers" last time said he wouldn't win
bleak thicket
now i see why you cant see the racism ;)
agile egret
Did you know the democrats were actually the racist one? Like how they were created?
north torrent
Hard for a racist to see that he is racist.
bleak thicket
yes, back in the days the democrats were the party supporting the slavery
but those people are all dead
i guarantee you
that none of those people are still in the party ;-)
agile egret
Right, and I'm racist against my step dad and brothers and sisters who are either black, or half black
north torrent
You can be black and still be racist.
bleak thicket
you can be white and have a black friend and still be racist
agile egret
that makes a shitty friend
bleak thicket
yeah i do not believe you with your statements you rpractical underlined that you are ;-)
bleak thicket
well people who point out the black people they know are for sure the ones having a problem ;)
hts the classic catch
Trump does it all the time
north torrent
I think you are, but that's just me. You have every right to ignore me, I'm just some old man on the internet.
north torrent
I'm not trying to prove anything.
agile egret
yea you are
north torrent
I'm just making a statment of my opinion.
bleak thicket
we dont need to prove
we just say what we think
and there are 2 out of 2 who dont believe you
north torrent
I have stated my opinion and now I am done.
agile egret
I'm not the one who didn't know that the democratic party stood for racism at it conception
I state facts
bleak thicket
yeah old people of the party at some other time
you must be really desperate to make them look bad if you take this out
north torrent
My knowledge of previous US presidents and the changing stances of political parties is more than competent.
I just don't see any reason to lecture about it on a Discord server.
bleak thicket
you are for sure a racist republican and i am done here on that putting you on ignore
agile egret
and now point fingers at republicans
bleak thicket
ah better
agile egret
Anyone who can't handle a civil discussion doesn't deserve to be heard
north torrent
It is common knowledge that part of Nixons campaign to win the south was to use racist policies to get southerners to vote for a republican.
It worked very well for him and he won his election in a landslide.
agile egret
Its never as simple as all that. I agree there are blurred lines everywhere
zinc matrix
Conservatives for the win.
agile egret
All im saying, is the racism is not the big issue in this country
as the news makes it appear to be
the double standards are messed up too
north torrent
It is common knowledge that Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican was one of the most progressive presidents in US history and made it his policy to fight for workers rights, bust up large monoplies, and take on millionairs like JP Morgan.
Dwight D Eisenhower, a Republican, carried out and progressed the socialist policies of Frank Roosevelt, and his last message to the US people as president was warning people of the dangers of the expanding military industrial complex.
agile egret
I don't think its okay for ANYONE
bleak thicket
ah good they all come out
north torrent
Lots of great Republicans in US history.
bleak thicket
makes it easier to ignore them ;)
zinc matrix
Only racism I see is against whites, hulu, netflix, colleges segregating whites out...it's hilarious that people actually believe the media narrative of white supremacy. Conservative blacks and whites get along perfectly fine.
agile egret
xD
zinc matrix
@bleak thicket, hurry put me on ignore please.
agile egret
exactly
There are racist people everyone, but its not this one sided thing people make it out to be
bleak thicket
@north torrent is your profile pic a secret message? Trying to see a special meaning of the controller in a jar
agile egret
I'm actually happy to see a mostly civil discussion for once
north torrent
The only real consistant thing about US political history is how inconsistant it is.
Balance can be maintained for 15 - 30 years maybe, but beyond that there is always a big shake up and a total realignment in political party views. Sometimes with a short burst of one party dominating, sometimes with a 3 party election, but the deck is always shuffled eventually.
agile egret
I'd prefer people who actually grew up and live in the US to speak on US stuff, but meh, everyone is welcome
Yes. Even the definitions of the parties themselves change
To whatever suits them for the most voters xD
zinc matrix
Ideologies clashing = civil war
north torrent
We are currently in the post- Ronald Reagan era, you can't really trace the roots of either political establishment party back any further than Ronald Reagan.
Nixon, JFK, the two Roosevelts, the Civil War, those are historical figures who don't belong to either of the two modern parties.
agile egret
had a good run though
but people are starting to have enough of being told they are "subconsciously" victimizing people
bleak thicket
@north torrent There was a small timeframe where I was thinking that like "why the hell they dont all vote democrats? Why is this so hard for them?" then at one day, i found that awesome wikipedia graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses#/media/File:Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png and realized that Democrats historical seen had A LOT of time to get shit done and they didn't.... which kinda destroyed the hope that just voting democrats fixes it ;-) yeah stability is really not their thing
north torrent
If you view the world through a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.
If you view the world through teenagers on Twitter, then everything looks like an outrage.
agile egret
I've had my own share of racism. In highschool I was made fun of on the bus, and called "hitlers son" just because I was german
bleak thicket
HAHHAHAA
thats a good one, i mean the nail one i already heard now, even tho, i had a wrong variant of it in my head
a friend corrected me recently, actually you also said it wrong
the sentence is actually: If you have a hammer, then everything looks like a nail
but my version was like yours: If you are a hammer, then everything is a nail
aehm then everything is a nail not looks like a nail
agile egret
I moved on. Kids will be kids
north torrent
The thing about modern day Republican in the US is that they can't argue against the real world policies that Liberals support.
They either create a communist straw man and argue that or they find some Tweet made by a teenager on Twitter and pretend like that kids ridiculous message is the official stance of the Liberals.
Republicans are really good at knocking down the staw men and feeling good that they 'owned the libs' but really they just knocked down the argument of some kid on Twitter who doesn't represent any of the real ideas Liberals share.
bleak thicket
I always like to say this: If you are really pro gun, then you should vote democrats to find politican inside there who protect your guns with reality, instead of hanging your believes on a party that openly lies and so drags your own cause into their level.
agile egret
I don't really identify with or care for either party for that . matter. I pick individuals who do things I believe in
zinc matrix
We have leftist members of congress, who don't even know the branches of government and whos last job was a bartender.
bleak thicket
In the end, after the Republicans are gone from the picture, pro-gun stands more horrible than before
now they are literally linked with children into cages
agile egret
no shit?
im sure we have a republican who isn't qualified too thought
they get who they can get
north torrent
Donald tRump couldn't pass a highschool government test.
zinc matrix
Maybe not but he can make a buttload of money. Personally I admire him for the reason most hate him.
He is blunt.
agile egret
same
bleak thicket
he failed that test
agile egret
and at least tries to do what he says he will do
bleak thicket
i am still not understanding why this wasnt the end
agile egret
unlike a lot of politicians
He's pissed everyone, everywhere, because he doesn't bend over
and didn't "earn" his politician status
north torrent
I respected George W Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and all the other Republican Presidents and Candidates. I will never accept or respect tRump in any way, shape, or form however.
In recent years I feel the Republican party as a whole is trying to ignore important issues like healthcare.
I would love to see some Republican plans on how to fix the healthcare system through the free market. I would love to take part in that conversation, I am open to free market ideas.
But they don't propose plans, they just pretend like it isn't a problem.
And as a result I don't vote for them.
But I hope they come around and start offering free market solutions to problems in the future.
agile egret
And its driving every politician mad, because he is showing their true colors
Obama care was a disaster!
zinc matrix
If you're going to hate Trump, hate him for the right reasons at least. Not for the non-existent reasons the T.V. told you to hate him for. The man isn't perfect.
Mitt Romney, McCain and Bush are not even Republicans. They were Democrats running under the Republican party...another issue with our system.
agile egret
was supposed to cost me like 150$ A WEEK for basic coverage
north torrent
Any time you have a big problem, the first try to fix it generally doen't work.
I would never expect it to just work out of the box. It is a tough problem to fix and everyone needs to come together and propose better ideas.
agile egret
Doctors started charging more for the same treatments because the insurance everyone had would pay it
bleak thicket
wow, you are also living in some wonderland about republicans ;)
agile egret
and because the law for insurance company was something like you are only allowed 10 or 20% profit, they just asked the doctors to raise their bills
which in turn rose my premium
it didn't solve ANYTHING
bleak thicket
you do know that the obamacare plan was a republican plan? ;-) they just denounced it to brand it with obama to make it look more bad
which then backfired and made it a better brand
agile egret
Instead, I don't have health insurance
north torrent
I hate him for who he is as a person.
Even if he inacted every policy exactly the way I wanted, I would still hate him and do everything I can to stop him.
It is 100% because of his lack of a moral compas, his lack of intellegence, and his uncontollable ego.
It isn't political, he is just a gross human being.
bleak thicket
i still love that
agile egret
See thats the problem.
zinc matrix
I would say his arrogance and his money hungry wife are the only reason I can find to dislike him. I however actually support him for the most part.
bleak thicket
yeah that americans accept this guy https://i.imgur.com/4P0dza1.gif
is just beyond me
agile egret
I don't think he's a great human being either, but he's one hell of a president
north torrent
Obamacare is completly bi-partisan. It has just as much Democrat and Republican fingerprints on it.
zinc matrix
It's been proven, he does that impression when he is mocking someone.
he's been doing it for 30 years
he wasn't making fun of that guy
bleak thicket
@north torrent no no the ROOT version was a pure republican proposal, but was never activated and then democrats took it and worked on it
north torrent
I think you are a morally bankrupt person, Mr. Betrayer.
bleak thicket
what was the name again... Healthcare for all Americans plan or something that was the first draft made by republicans
something patriotic
north torrent
I can go over the whole story, Mr. Getty, but that would take me typing up 10 pages of information, and I'm too lazy.
bleak thicket
i followed it all up ;)
north torrent
I get what you are saying, Mr. Getty, we are just summarizing it differently.
bleak thicket
yeah i just said what happened: there was a republican plan that then was spiced with democrats to become a bi partisan effort
zinc matrix
morally bankrupt..lol but trannies teaching 4 year old children about sex toys is probably brave and stunning to you eh?
bleak thicket
republicans just did everything they could to deny its source
zinc matrix
seems like morality is pretty subjective these days.
agile egret
dude, I would go to jail if someone did that with my kid
north torrent
There isn't much difference between someone like John McCain or Mitt Romey and someone like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.
They are basically twins.
zinc matrix
All 4 of those people are trash.
bleak thicket
not fully
i know where you are coming from but there is still a crucial difference
foggy path
trannies teaching 4 year old children about sex toys
Well this conversation took a turn
north torrent
You are just making up a straw man about something I have nothing to do with, Mr. Betrayer.
I don't really have any respect for you, so keep that in mind if you choose to continue a conversation with me.
foggy path
lol
agile egret
Nancy Pelosi <- This name should just be banned already
bleak thicket
The party they decided to stick with.........................
agile egret
You don't have to have respect, but you sure have to use it here
foggy path
here's a fun US politics thing: Kamala Harris' first name Kamala means "awful" in finnish
agile egret
xD
foggy path
literally only reason why I even remember that person is a politician
agile egret
That sucks
bleak thicket
Republicans openly ignored and denied thee Russian interference, and McCain sticked to his party, it is kinda hard to believe that there was anything respectable in that person
north torrent
I would vote for her just for that reason, Mr. Zomg, if she was still running.
bleak thicket
there are other reasons to not vote for her ;)
north torrent
That was a joke, Mr. Getty.
bleak thicket
ok ;)
zinc matrix
Oh man, my heart is broken Mao. I'm sure people yearn for your respect.
bleak thicket
You know what still sticks with me.... when Bernie was on in primary 2016, I was like "oh my god, his policies, if he would push them through, they would become THE super economy on the planet, unstoppable USD through the roof"
and then ... yeah you know the story ;)
spare glade
Please be mindful of the #old-rules thanks guys. Keep it civil thanks.
north torrent
I honestly believe that there are many perfect solutions to any problem.
I honestly believe that with proper, moral people running it both a Conservative and Liberal option could fix all the problems in the United States given time.
I think it is corruption and human selfishness that makes either side not work, and that is why we need balance.
Right now at this particular point in time I see one side of the political specturm to be too bought out by corporate money to be easily salvagable.
On the other hand I see the other political party to be also very corrupt and bought out by corporate money, but with some rays of hope shining through, some candidates that are stepping away from the corporations.
agile egret
I agree with this.
north torrent
To me it all comes down to having people who don't sell out to sellfishness and greed.
I have no loyalty to any political party, I will switch in an instant when things change.
bleak thicket
look what america needs is a "No party" concept
north torrent
I don't think so.
bleak thicket
like, the COMPLETE SYSTEM already is based on persons
people SHOULD vote independent
if they WOULD do that
we wouldn't be in the problems
but there seems to be clear party orders on the republican side all the time
or they are all so morally corrupt that nothing of value is in those persons ;)
foggy path
does any country have a "no party" system in place?
north torrent
I think the parties just don't align very well with the people right now.
Every Republican I know hates half of what the Republicans stand for, and every Democrat I know hates half of what the Democrats stand for.
foggy path
at least I've never heard of such a system
bleak thicket
@foggy path ACTUALLY a more strong party systeem is in place in most modern civilization
it works AWESOME if you have 4-5 parties
everything here is party based
persons are kinda irrelevant
foggy path
yeah a multiparty system is what most countries I can think of have
bleak thicket
the party line is the party line
which is COOL if the party thinks about it for themselves
its all working out
agile egret
We need more than a two party system. There are more here, but they never win
bleak thicket
love it
north torrent
I think the real key is to have candidates for political office that are not funded by corporations.
I think that alone goes a long way into eventually fixing the mess that is both the Democrat and Republican establishment. They are both pretty vile and corrupt.
bleak thicket
yeah
foggy path
but yeah it definitely seems like after decades of two sides telling their voters the other side is evil... well this is what you get lol
bleak thicket
germany you get money by become voted
so the party gets money in relation to how many votes they had on the last time
like "per person"
AND
party cant be dictated
that is LITERALLY the only reason why i dont go into german politics ;)
spare glade
@north torrent Good luck removing external funding from any system of government. I agree with you on that point.
north torrent
It is already happening, Mr. Boatswain.
bleak thicket
@spare glade i literally explain that this is the case in germany ;)
since ... forever (aka after WWII)
spare glade
Fair enough i didnt know that was the case.
bleak thicket
of course there is corruption indirect ways
spare glade
How would you say that it has faired so far?
bleak thicket
what you mean?
spare glade
Does it work.
bleak thicket
yeah sure!
we have no big advertisements
normally
you got just shields on the street
or billboards
with the faces and some key sentences
then you got every party getting exact the same amount of advertisement time on public tv
(or in relation to previous vote, i dont recall)
its all ultra fair
AND
spare glade
I would like to see Australia implement something similar, zero party donations, zero personal donations etc etc for any MP.
bleak thicket
ultra easy voting
every person gets a letter before the votes
where they have to go
and with the instructions if you wanna vote by mail
every vote, every german
and the voting place is always reachable by foot
@north torrent you can do multiline ;-) really it makes it easier to comment hehe
north torrent
One political party in the United States has a clear frontrunner both in votes so far and in fundraiser money, and he has only taken small dollar donations from the common people. No corporate money, no super pacs, just people like me giving him $30.
Many of the other candidates in the top 5 of that party are not as 'pure' in their finance reform, but every one of them has taken small or large steps to be more like the frontrunner I just mentioned.
So because the most successful candidate with the most money raised has done a grass roots campaign without taking money from corporations, everyone else is trying to follow that success.
Small changes, but changes.
bleak thicket
yeah look.....
i am not understanding why the MONEY is at all relevant
its like
can you imagine how CRAZY that is how important the MONEY factor is made in all news?
charts of how many money
and everything
this is madness!!!!
it should be about policies
IT IS about policies here
And I want to say: That Biden is actually taken serious is also beyond me ;)
north torrent
Back in the 1900s the United States developed this balance between 1) The Government 2) The Corporations and 3) The Labor Unions.
It was supposed to be a balance, keep everyone in check, no one side could get too much power or the other two would have to check that power.
But in the Post-Ronald Reagan Era the Corporations have realized that it is cheaper to just buy a politician instead of trying to compromise with the other two legs.
So now Corporations just buy politicians and control the Government and the labor hasn't benifited at all since then.
bleak thicket
no .....
labor unions in US was never good concept
you do know how the actual modern civilization concepts are, or?
an actual labor union must be ALL OF ONE KIND we have here just gigantic unions
north torrent
Whether you like it or not, this is what happened in US history.
north torrent
That's debatable.
bleak thicket
it just was the best balanced moment in time probably ;) but nothing was in balance with the labor union concept
no.....
a labor union must be actual in the power to act
like for all
which they cant if they are all small and limited
foggy path
Unions here were basically threatening shutting down 50% of the supermarkets in the country for few days and the supply lines for a few more
Suddenly they managed to get into an agreement lol
north torrent
The whole point is that as long as corporations can buy politicians, then the working class will never gain the benifits of the wealth the US gains.
bleak thicket
@foggy path exactly which is regular happening in germany
there is a union for all service workers
ALL of them
if they strike, then its more than supermarkets................
foggy path
yeah
bleak thicket
they get their deals
they are REAL in power
AND
government anyway puts 50% control of the company in the hands of the employee
the board of a german company is always 50% employee and 50% owner
those 2 elements combined give the people real power
north torrent
In my opinion, if you were to focus on just one thing to change to fix the US system, the most logical thing to change would be not letting corporations fund political candidates.
My hypothesis is that would mean the politicians making the laws would not be indebted to corrupt corporations and then the policies they vote for would be more in line with what the average American wants.
I may be wrong, I may be right, who really knows?
But that is just the core of why I support who I support and am against who I am against.
bleak thicket
and so we have very good worker rights and worker laws and payment structures
mmmmhhhhhh fixing just ONE thing in US....... interesting thought experiement
what would it be......
spare glade
@north torrent Problem with that is they will just change to personal donations.
bleak thicket
i dont know if removing that funding is helping, i mean i get where you are coming from, but do you think it wouldn't be like not really changing anything in the end?
north torrent
Which is fine by me, Mr. Boatswain.
spare glade
Id say you would have to go the other way. Stop MPs from getting donations/funds altogether.
bleak thicket
@spare glade well it would be illegal and not practical longtime
but you saw Nunes ? ;)
spare glade
So your happy for the CEOs of those corps to just start funneling the funds personally instead?
What do you actually fix then?
bleak thicket
hehe
north torrent
You have to take steps to get this fixed.
spare glade
No doubt.
bleak thicket
what about removing electoral college ?
eh? eh? :D
i think that is the biggest and best fix of them all
spare glade
Why
bleak thicket
because else there would be no trump and no other republican before ;)
spare glade
...
bleak thicket
well what to say ;) they never can win with actual majority
but they still win
they gerrymander everything
and even got partly often APPROVAL of courts to gerrymander in their favor
north torrent
First you support a candidate that only takes small dollar donations, then that candidate wins and others follow. As that becomes the new norm people quickly start trying to corrupt that. But now the President in power as well as a part of the Senate are politicians elected by grass roots campaigns.
They can now start passing laws to get rid of campaign finance alltogether. But you can't do that from the outside, you have to win first.
bleak thicket
as it seems to be an ethical greyland in US
it depends on the state, some state courts blocked them and forced fixes, some states just approved their clearly racist gerrymandered maps
which is all obsolete if you just make majority votes for everything
spare glade
@north torrent Your basing that to much on the morality of individuals, i dont see how that would ever actually work.
bleak thicket
it would be a chain of problems solved if you do that on all votes
spare glade
Or at least play out the way you think it will.
north torrent
Maybe I just have more faith in people being good than you.
north torrent
Or maybe I'm just not willing to give up because corporations are just too powerful and I'm scared.
bleak thicket
you must really understand
that America has right now children in cages and no one is caring about it
we make more rage in germany when Musk wanna trim a forest
;)
You know Stuttgart 21?
north torrent
There are no clean and easy answers that fix things without a shit ton of work.
But as a voter I have one vote, and I will give that one vote to the candidate that shows hope for a bigger change in the future.
If someone is running for President and is not taking money from Super Pacs and Large Corporations, while also having a plan for comprhensive campaign finance reform once in office, then that is who I will vote for.
I don't even have to think twice on that one.
bleak thicket
Oh there are a lot of answers already implemented in a lot of countries proven to solve problems clearly best so far.
Americans just deny to implement theem ;)
if THOSE would be implemented we would be standing already somewhere else
north torrent
We have to get politicians in office that will implement them. That is how we get these things done, Mr. Getty.
bleak thicket
2/3.........
i think you need 2/3 congress AND 2/3 senate to bring those changes through :D
north torrent
If that person was hypothetically tRump, then I would vote for the other guy.
Nothing can overide his personal gross nature and lack of intellegence.
bleak thicket
I hope Biden is also on that list
spare glade
The other guy being his running mate?
north torrent
I would 100% vote against my own self interests to have someone who can at least pretend to be a President.
bleak thicket
well ok
thats the only argument for biden
in that case ;)
yeah, pretend is good
north torrent
That is super imporant to me, Mr. Getty.
bleak thicket
trump is reeally trying
an idiot could do it better
ANY FUNCTIONING ADULT 2020
aehm
i meant trump ISNT really trying
wow that was so wrong now 8-D
sorry for that
north torrent
I want a President that can get up there and say fake words to a fake audience and fake being nice.
I would 100% vote against my best interest if it meant getting someone who can get up on stage and act like a decent figure head of a human being.
bleak thicket
Yeah i think you pretty much describe the nixon scenario ;)
the more i hear about him, it felt like he was that Trump who looked still presidental on stage
and just because of missing digital footprints of that time we never find out how much of a crook he really was ;)
i really like the word crook btw :D i really heard it first in the context of Nixon
not a word used on international chats ;)
north torrent
If someone could act like Joe Biden and tried to implement the exact same policies as Donald tRump.
And he was running against someone who acted like tRump but pulled all his political ideas directly from my playbook.
I would vote for the guy who could act like a decent human being on stage.
agile egret
Thats the last thing I want. I want a president who says and does what he means
spare glade
So you would rather vote for someone who is a good Actor that would throw the country down the toilet, than someone who doesnt act accordingly but with the best policies?
agile egret
I want to trust what he says
north torrent
I honestly think you are a morally corrupt person, Mr. Gaming.
bleak thicket
@north torrent hahaha, i totally understand
@spare glade after seeing the damage the president does to the morale by his acting, i really understand where he is coming from
agile egret
You say that about everyone who disagrees with you. I'm sorry but the very idea of supporting someone who fakes everything doesn't sit right with me
bleak thicket
the biggest damage trump did was practical with his behavior
less with his policies, those damages are just internal and can heal quicker
i really grasp where he is coming from
it is a risk tho
north torrent
It should never be acceptable for the figurehead of the United States to get up on stage and act like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum because people won't agree with him.
So yes, I would rather vote for an actor that would throw the whole country down the toilet. 100%.
spare glade
...
bleak thicket
@spare glade dont be so critical about it :D
he really got an important point and never forget the alternative of his pick would be a person who acts again like trump
for the complete world to see
north torrent
I respect a lot of people who disagree with me, Mr. Gaming.
I can't respect someone who admires the vile and hurtful behavior of tRump. If you find those as good traits, then we have no common ground on which to discuss things.
agile egret
It doesn't matter what trump does, people always find something wrong.
bleak thicket
whatever problems you solve for americans kinda becomes irrelevant if you are suddenly alone in the world
agile egret
And if for nothing else (just saying) I would rather him than Hillary.
see, it doesn't matter if we agree or not. being civil is all we have left
bleak thicket
so @north torrent is just following the compare, how much is the "perceived quality" of america worth in compare to the "actual quality"
and the perceived quality IS what makes america the superpower
that part is kinda gone in the wind now
and it requires A LOT of years to fix that
north torrent
Presidents will come and go, political parties will come and go.
But the rule of law and the infrastructure of our democracy needs to be protected and not be broken because it is convinent for the goals of one particular generation.
bleak thicket
like even if sanders now comes in, it would require him to be revoted in next time again
to assure the world that you can be stable
its thee same logic why no one is going THAT crazy about Trump
cause we still BELIEVE that Americans CAN SEE what is happening and fix it
agile egret
I'd like to revisit this when trump gets another 4 years
REMIND ME EVOPULSEGAMING
bleak thicket
if they are not able to fix it, then the believe is gone, then Americans are just seen as the most stupid people on the planet voting in a snake oil con man to their emperor, paying the democracy-coin to get something truly worthless.
north torrent
And then the brand image is broken.
bleak thicket
exactly
now its just ..... scratched
BIG SCRATCHED
like a HUGE scratch over the complete thing
but it still works
north torrent
1 scratch is an accident, a bunch of scratches is abuse.
bleak thicket
well i think trump is one huge scratch
wait
no
actually trump is the big scratch and the republicans are adding up tons of small scratches
its really filthy now
you cant make it clean again
you can just prevent that it breaks
north torrent
Things will never be ok again, that is for sure. There is no way to reverse that damage.
But we can still try to move foward and try to salvage the ship.
bleak thicket
yeah just let the thing not become broken ;)
the GOOD thing so .... just to underline
north torrent
Or buy enough time that I can get citizenship to another country.
bleak thicket
UK actually DID burned that brand image
they revoted in the wrong choice
and they have a lot of things way more right than you in their system
and still fucked it up
so at least you got something to look at down there at the broken empire nursing home
north torrent
Well... the idea that a 52% - 48% vote could change the very essence of everything the country is shows the the British Government was fundamentally playing by broken rules.
The fact that something like that didn't take a 2/3 vote is really in my opinion more than enough evidence for me to believe the US system is way more fundamentally sound.
bleak thicket
well stop............
i see where you are coming from, BUT
UK was never deep enough in EU
the contract was not that much of a crucial part of their empire as it actually was, by law
that is actually the funny part
you do know that UK was the only member who was allowed to deny implementing laws of EU?
which is so funny, cause that was the argument of the leave campaign
north torrent
The point is, amending the entire constitution of a country based on 2% more people is the definition of insanity.
Needing a super majority to make structural changes to the government is the only sane thing.
bleak thicket
but it was no structural change
not from their side
at least not in the law
PRACTICAL it is
north torrent
Then their side is wrong.
bleak thicket
no deny on that
oh yeah sure
thats the joke on all that
they literally were just possible to make the brexit cause of UK being so weird hanging
it is a rumor that there will be other countries leaving EU any time soon
in general tho! you are generally very right in the sense that UK is very low on the ruleset
north torrent
I don't have anything to say about British politics. Not really my business.
But just the basic nature of how a democracy works, Britain did that wrong. Was it good or bad for Britain, I have no idea, but it was bad democracy.
bleak thicket
well yeah, that is correct
they are not having a bad democracy
BUT
the structures behind are more safe
like Boris Jonson cant make a presidental order now to let border patrol put children intto cages
there is no concept for this
there is no way for him to get that actually through
there is a court BEFORE that happens, not a court AFTER like in US
Trump University and Scientology are the most revealing examples of how an organization can abuse the law to deny the reality of the obvious
You know what is required in Germany to be come a religion?
Being official recognized as religion based on cultural heritage
north torrent
I don't know anything about religion anywhere. That includes Germany.
bleak thicket
haha yeah religion is a funny topic
in US they have a different . world on that
i think /r/atheism on reddit is the most vile community of them all ;)
not because they are atheist, but just because they hate everything religious with such passion that it hurts given that many people are not what they hate about it
(like the majority)
whatever, Scientology abused the IRS so much that they never denied their tax exemption for being a religious organization
although they clearly are just a terror organization with buildin slavery
and no one can do anything about it 8-D
cause its law that they are a religion
north torrent
The topics I understand are as follows
- US Political History
- Current US Political Policies
- How Constitutions and Democracy Work
- Music Theory
- Cinematography
- Color Theory
- Game Design
- Anatomy
- Literature
- Living in China
Beyond that I am an idiot who knows nothing.
bleak thicket
well US political history is not much <badumtss>
north torrent
Oh, I forgot to mention making jokes about kangaroos.
bleak thicket
sorry, couldnt resist ;)
north torrent
Depends on how deep you go.
bleak thicket
well its still just a small frame
north torrent
If you go deep into a subject, even 1 year of history could be a lifetime of study.
200 years, that could take 200 lifetimes to really know it all.
Just like cinematography might seem like a small part of an overall movie. But to the people operating the camera they can study their whole life trying to tell the best story possible.
bleak thicket
oh yeah still its just like a spot in the time of history
NOT LIKE THE LONG LASTING GERMAN HISTORY!
north torrent
The US has been a unified country longer than Germany.
bleak thicket
we have a very long history, its not about being united
its about having an actual history
north torrent
My great grandma's birth cirtificate literally said "The Republic of Prussia" on it, not Germany.