the same actor of ET
#lounge
median wraith
deep glen
adobe has voice recreation for years now
pearl elk
Im not sure I would object to someone using a digital copy of me after I die, with the appropriate permissions given in advance ofcoarse
hazy delta
well yeah but you still need voice samples 🤔
deep glen
anno 2020 you probably have some videos/other recordings
hazy delta
maybe I'm just old 😦
median wraith
@pearl elk to keep your corn actor career even after dead so you can keep generating money to your family
so like Michael Jackson
pearl elk
if you make a digital copy of yourself then you wont ever be old, just outdated
hazy delta
so if we can make digital children, can we now keep all the pedophiles locked in at home too? 😄
median wraith
well that topic out of the hands now
pearl elk
hey Michael Jackson coulda saved himself alot of money on surgery with a digital copy
hmm I wanna be black today I think
median wraith
that references
are like when they name in the TV someone is a killer cause plays COD
pearl elk
remember doesnt matter if youre black or white 😉
hazy delta
☝️
median wraith
so yeah a person that does that actions, isnt related in any way to what it watch at all
pearl elk
most people do have a digital version of themselves which doesnt match the reality entirely anyways with all these filters and stuff. Atleast if youre in control of that representation I dont see a harm in it
median wraith
if you're mental equilibrarte you can play battlefield but you don't go later with a tank to the store
hazy delta
speak for yourself!
pearl elk
lol I been trying to get a tank in a crate for ages
hazy delta
if I had a tank I'd use it as a daily driver
median wraith
but yeah given that example probably you can correct the before sentence in some way could be related but you should set limits to your actions
pearl elk
theres me hangin out the roof of the tank with a selfie stick, all liek, off to do my laundry #washdaytankday
median wraith
apply to every single topic of the life
look when you give infinite credit to someone thats a impulse buyer or junkie, is as worst as give some impulsive person Tinder
impulsive isn't at all the word I want on the second part 🤔
hazy delta
Mons, this reminds me of sel's tank washing sim https://i.imgur.com/l5SEryg.mp4
deep glen
@hazy delta they got an AI/CGI anime char on chaturb... now, and manages to generate more views than most "camladies" combined. and they are pissssed the ff off about it.
median wraith
that the thing you talk or posted time ago ?
hazy delta
I..... need to look into that
median wraith
Well you didn't posted it but name something about some kind of specific corn the people was watching ?
Still today don't get all these cam people etc
deep glen
because we old hev
median wraith
must be xD
pearl elk
it might simply be an introvert thing
all this social stuff unfairly advantages the extroverted
median wraith
I won't give my opinion about these things but I bet some of you could have my same opinion or view on that...
these aren't real extroverted are like the real alpha and fake alpha
are actually introvert people
and what their body and mind limit is skipped by the techs
hazy delta
my philosophy is usually that if you don't hurt anyone, then you can do whatever. and if people want to give you money for being naked, then use the oportunity while you can 😄
pearl elk
Well since you said it I do have an onlyfans you can all su.... just kidding
median wraith
I have meet people last year that related with what I named before... introvert people that dont know where set the limit was with up 4 different persons per week up 200 in 2 years thanks to techs
and isn't something I just invent, isn't even the kind of people you have in mind thats cool looking
and then you can figure out why this way and the companies way to hire/fire a lot of people it turns into a mechanic action... As when you leave a work, these that was your "friends" don't even remember you other than the phone number they have stored of you in the phone
pearl elk
maybe thats our ultimate fate, is just to be a fading phone entry
median wraith
well the phone num is there but its like a ghost :p
pearl elk
Like the social media accounts of people who arnt alive
theres not always people around who can access them to turn them off
I had some really bad luck with some of those, I kept getting recommended a person who I knew wasnt with us. I ended up having to block it cuz it was bit morbid even for me
median wraith
mmmm on social media ?
there are someones that other manages post it
otherwise the managers of the network probably should shutdown it
pearl elk
yeah, had a few of those. Not everyone has plans for what happens to their accounts
theres enough data on my Steam to form a rough profile of me as a gamer
Some companies collect way more than Valve too about peoples play habits or social media habits etc
Reminds me of Caprica the Battlestar spin off
Does make you wonder if a reasonable accurate copy of you can be created but doesnt have your entire memory... is it still you?
median wraith
there is more info about me in the phone with one year of use
than in my computers with 10 years of use
tidal ivy
"Does make you wonder if a reasonable accurate copy of you can be created but doesnt have your entire memory... is it still you?"
I suspect not; memory is essentially stored as neurone connections in the brain. If you're lacking those connections, your behaviour is likely to be different
median wraith
they can rebuild a copy of me more or less still won't be the same 🤖
tidal ivy
how much different is hard to say, but it's suggested it could be a lot
people are heavily conditioned by prior experience
median wraith
the base that choose your actions and the soul is a different topic no idea where goes
pearl elk
I guess in the future "stop playing with yourself" will have a whole new meaning
who needs players in servers when you can have copies of people instead
alpine fern
I want to have a daily backup of myself
median wraith
yeah can't this is the fun part of the game
pearl elk
autosave
median wraith
people tattoo their name on the body and expect to remember it after have alzheimer, thing is they won't even know whats that
perma dead makes the game funnier @alpine fern hard mode
pearl elk
people with dementia definitely do start to exhibit traits you wouldnt have normally seen from them because they cant access those past experiences properly
but you could extrapolate some data using machine learning, people do have some constructs which are reasonably global and there are indicators of where they stand on the scales
like for example if someone shows they support a sports team or a political party you could fudge it
even if a sports team gets shut down in the future you could still fudge it by acting with a sadness about the loss of a team you dont really ever remember
median wraith
machine learning is a different topic, humans simulate in parts what others does, but a computer is a different topic
pearl elk
or past a certain point, oh do you remember when Giggs scored that goal against Arsenal and thats simply looking up data online rather than refencing a life event.
Well if a copy is convincing enough, is it a copy?
We ask ourselves this about cloning all the time, if you could make a copy of you now with all your memories, is it still you? the answer might still be no
median wraith
is a the backup of your computer a computer backup or the disk backup ?
there is your reply
have the content but won't act the same
will ran in other place total different even if try to use same components
pearl elk
just look at this chat log, its entirely possible for a copy of me to reference this conversation and use any of what I just said 😛
median wraith
yeah can be
there is more than 100.000 of text from me
at this point could make a bot of me and sell it on steam
pearl elk
its why I dont care about hiding my views, the more of me out there in the metaverse the longer I'll survive hehe
Or maybe... Im not really here anymore, you'll never know
median wraith
lol
ancient ingot
arse
ancient ingot
😮
ancient ingot
thats dumb
ancient hornet
facebook is evil
pearl elk
all books are evil, renounce your chains, claim your freedom
pearl elk
the end is nigh
deep glen
pearl elk
Oh no, you got floods too
deep glen
small ones atm, but yes
mossy nexus
I see those crazy fools are trying use use DNA as data storage. What's next talking dogs and walls that think? Madness I say! Madness!
@pearl elk whats?? right nigh? Can't it be later, I've got things to do!
signal citrus
Wish I could be part of that world
brisk jacinth
Step 1) post in the wrong discord chanbel
Step 2) take a photograph of your computer monitor with your amartphone
2a) bonus points if you use the flash
3)???
4)Profit
signal citrus
Step three is most sneaky
deep glen
?
brisk jacinth
I suspect it might be a variation of 2
signal citrus
Maybe portrait
brisk jacinth
Like take photo of your monitors with blueprint spaghetti that can't be read and then ask in #design-chat about why you can't change hats
Portrait mode how could I forget that
Portrait mode with letterboxing to make it 16:10 ratio
deep glen
yea, we need to find a way to make people not post there its not related to it, or have tougher rules.
brisk jacinth
Hello
deep glen
@brisk jacinth I did bump the situation with design chat in the moderator chat, as we are in the process of some changes. (tba)
lone condor
nice
deep glen
Hello btw Evan
lone condor
heya
brisk jacinth
@deep glen that's good, I mean I get sometimes people post in the wrong channels if they're somewhat related but people see to just post stuff randomly and I think the worst part is really some people might find the info useful but wouldn't be able to find it as easily
Keeping stuff in their related channels makes it easier to find what you need, obviously
deep glen
yup
i wish more people used search function anyways, and read the fricking rules.. but nowadays I should already be thankful if people behave in a polite manner hehe
brisk jacinth
@median wraith , now add a blood trail
lone condor
make him spontaneously combust
median wraith
Na isn't mine its from a marketplace demo xD
lone condor
oh
pearl elk
anyone know of some fantasy playing cards with really awesome designs?
pearl elk
cuz memes dont chat
lone condor
oh my gosh
pearl elk
median wraith
Best way to display health status without a progress bar or number?
signal citrus
Bloody screen
pearl elk
a love heart
median wraith
But for enemies?
signal citrus
Facial expression
median wraith
Facial expression xD
deep glen
been working on a blockout map, and it kinda feels like making maps for ut/ut2k4 again
signal citrus
Full health 😏
median wraith
Yeah I was thinking about that school color
signal citrus
No health 😬
pearl elk
remember if you use blood you'll be banned in China
so enemies have godmode only in China 😛
median wraith
Germany changed?
signal citrus
Think so
hazy delta
germany was a bit more crazy about violence in games in the past, yeah
these days we mostly get them uncut
except Wolfenstein 😦
no english version, no swastikas and no hitler. better to pretend those things don't exist instead of making a parody out of them
hazy delta
HR Giger card game?
median wraith
This country is about get more crazy than Germany back in the time
About make illegal old things
By 2020 xD
pearl elk
Shame they cant call it Minecraft
foggy path
Bitcoin-based...
I'm really curious as to what that means lol
although considering that was posted in a very wrong place it probably means absolutely nothing
I follow arclegger on twitter who's the head of the Redfox Labs gaming division, they are working on some blockchain based stuff relating to ownership of ingame items
now I'm pretty skeptical about usage of blockchain for anything except a high risk investment medium, but at least what I've seen him talk about it, their concept might actually have some merit
lone condor
tree
pearl elk
poor tree
pearl elk
Im too tired to say it looks like a wood pecker
deep glen
@zinc matrix behave
brisk jacinth
Overgrowth had no health bar but enemies did have bloody wounds and would have a "grab self" wounded idle pose, it wasn't the best but the whole game has no UI
lone condor
aaaaaand here come the stereotypes
brisk jacinth
That was for @median wraith
ancient hornet
I don't think furies act like animals
foggy path
I don't judge their hobbies, do whatever makes you happy I guess
ancient hornet
or they have REALLY weird animals in their land
pearl elk
Willing to fursuit for BPs
brisk jacinth
@lone condor you are green
lone condor
yes
brisk jacinth
Why do people hate green people?
pearl elk
humans are animals btw, you guys need to come down a notch :p
brisk jacinth
It's so mean
lone condor
what’s wrong with dressing up?
bruh
that is literally just someone having fun
how
foggy path
I mean you have a pretty weird idea of what animals act like if you think that's what animals do lol
pearl elk
all animals Ive seen act like animals 😛
deep glen
and I had enough
lone condor
I’m too tired for this so
foggy path
I've noticed that some people have this strange notion that people who have fun are somehow "cringy"
deep glen
lone condor
oh wait he was kicked
pearl elk
Im not sure Ive ever seen the original
foggy path
I watched the original a while back as I noticed it was on Prime Video, it's quite good
surprised to see Johnny Depp in it, I guess that was one of his first big roles
pearl elk
I remember he was in Nightmare on Elm Street
Ahh thats right its a TV series, Ive only seen the Ice Cube movies
foggy path
I saw both 21 and 22 jump street movies, they were entertaining enough :D
pearl elk
funny how all these hard gangsters campaigning against police end up becoming them when they get old and turn to acting
brisk jacinth
Johnny Depp was Glenn
foggy path
lol
brisk jacinth
He got are by the bed
foggy path
yeah there was some thing I heard someone say about gangsta rappers
brisk jacinth
It was his first role
foggy path
either they die young or live old enough to appear in children's movies
brisk jacinth
Yes
foggy path
I think that was a reference to Ice Cube voicing some character in children's film or something...
pearl elk
cuz Ice T is on Law and Order
foggy path
and Snoop is just making weed films now lol
brisk jacinth
To paraphrase Shaq about kazaam, if someone offered you $7 million to have fun in a goofy kids movie, would you say no?
brisk jacinth
The man has a point
foggy path
It's good for an Arnold movie for sure
brisk jacinth
It's like fortnight, if people pay you unlimited money to develop a goofy kids game, would you say no?
It's a terrible movie and I hated it when it came out
pearl elk
only cuz its got Edna from Incredibles in it 😛
brisk jacinth
But I since we now live in bizzaro world it seems great by modern standard
Commando is the best Arnold movie
foggy path
Commando is definitely amongst the best ones
brisk jacinth
It's scene after scene of pure cheese
foggy path
but I like Arnold in his more comedy oriented movies
he has pretty good comedic timing imo and it works with his somewhat clunky acting
brisk jacinth
I thought the scene with him and his daughter with a deer had to be self parody
brisk jacinth
Honestly the best moment in that movie was the start when the guy starts to give him a speech about how they have his daughter and he's going to cooperate. And he just says "no" and shoots the guy
pearl elk
oh here we go, they made a sequel
brisk jacinth
Direct and to the point, classic Arnold
signal citrus
the expendables is like: all you people, come on the other people are doing it
foggy path
That sequel is pretty bad :D
I watched it
there's a couple of kinda funny bits with Dolph but it's not quite even "so bad it's good" level of bad
brisk jacinth
My favorite part about movies is when directors are so incompetent at messaging they accidentally make an amazing movie despite their self sabotaging ideology
Like James Cameron tries to make every of his movies an anti nuclear weapon political message
Lucky for ya he was so bad a that we jus saw badass action flicks
foggy path
I was tweeting some stupid commentary on the Kindergarten Cop 2 movies when I watched it
lol
pearl elk
deep glen
oh hi mark
median wraith
@brisk jacinth ty for that
cursive crypt
Respect guys, the true slack 👍
ancient ingot
😱
ancient hornet
in the end, we are kind of gods for our pets
so no wonder they complain when we don't do our job 😛
pearl elk
You did cause the climate change which brought about the rains, the cats know this
pearl elk
but I dont see you out there shutting down coal power stations
neither does your cat 🙂
deep glen
XD well, I do have green energy. iow, just coal power, just with a green ribbon
signal citrus
clean coal right?
deep glen
lol
brisk jacinth
@median wraith Overgrowth was not about prolonged fighs though, so this mehod may not work for games where you take a lot of hits or enemies have large amounts of health.
median wraith
yeah played it and got it on steam its kind of different
ancient hornet
interesting data on export based per capita CO2 emission
ancient hornet
it is half hypocrite to condemn them for that
half only though
they aren't the one burning that coal
but they COULD just stop producing/exporting it
brisk jacinth
The funny things is I never even noticed it had no HUD until I thought about it
pearl elk
Liberals are the ones who brought a coal prop into parliament though
but yeah I doubt Labor would do any better, theyre all shitlords
foggy path
I guess in this day and age it's good my car looks externally the same as the model with a 1.8 liter engine
even though there's a somewhat larger one under the hood lol
cursive crypt
Nice shit 👍
lone condor
hey, is there anywhere I could post some concept art for a game?
lone condor
I just have some stuff drawn on paper
@signal citrus I want people’s opinions on it so I can improve
signal citrus
hm could ask a mod if your not sure
lone condor
I’m just gonna post it here I guess
basically the gun shoots those balls and then the balls turn into the object on the screen
open to questions and criticism
foggy path
Criticism on the art or the concept of how it functions?
bold fulcrum
It has grave and catastrophic omission in it.
Most if not all people will not be able to view the concept before gravity makes 90 degrees swing clockwise.
foggy path
lol
lone condor
ok yes I know the photo is sideways
foggy path
I mean the concept itself sounds fine to me if it fits within your game
It's kind of hard to critique something like that imo because even wild ideas can work if it fits in how the game functions
lone condor
also a fun thing I wanna implement is that if you shoot under yourself or an enemy they go flying into the air
placid thistle
Folks, kinda important bug related to ES3.1 and XR, and it needs some voting https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-88447 (or it will probably never gets fixed)
alpine fern
they can't even test it on 4.25 because it asserts immediately
zinc matrix
@placid thistle if it would be for ES2 you would get @winter zealot on board
100% fixed
but ES3?
ancient hornet
I though it was that 4.25 release is blocked until they fix UE-86577
wait no
that they confirm the bug exists in 4.25 but fixing it requires fixing 86577 first
placid thistle
@zinc matrix well, ES2 is obsolete, so.. .
@ancient hornet right, but again, no votes on it might yield no fix..
median wraith
Does the new landscapes can be edited at runtime ?
atomic barn
@median wraith I don't think so
median wraith
mmm
fathom wadi
or just keep one tab open with Facebook loaded for a few hours.
median wraith
now test
Open Kite demo with that
what is this joke of camera megapixels ?
108 da wat
zinc matrix
Has anyone used the Cougar panzer G case? Is the basement big enough for a corsair rm 650x power supply?
zinc matrix
@ancient ingot thats pretty sick
but gl getting quality of every game feature to this point 😄 lol
currently my game consists only of prototype features - they work, and have some more or less serious issues, thats it. if i had to make every feature perfect id go crazy and never finish my game
also i wish i addopted this approach earlier
zinc matrix
lool hacker
meager sorrel
3 "Boot up Windows 10" events being called on tick. imagine that.
neon iris
You get to call your custom events anything. But creative and have fun with it.
zinc matrix
lool bro
zinc matrix
why he wants money from epic?
meager sorrel
@neon iris what if I'm... actually booting up Windows 10 3 times every tick : )
zinc matrix
@sage ermine wanna see my game?
sage ermine
is it a computer game?
zinc matrix
yes
sage ermine
how are you going to get your computer to me?
zinc matrix
i can show u gif
sage ermine
how did you make a gif interactive?
zinc matrix
if u dont want to see then not
sage ermine
I would love to see your gif game
neon iris
Then use an interface that doesn’t clearly look like a custom event 😜
meager sorrel
ahh okay x)
sage ermine
WHERE IS GIF???
meager sorrel
What about a short video?
sage ermine
meager sorrel
zinc matrix
lol
sage ermine
Wait
zinc matrix
im not showing because you made fun of me
meager sorrel
Seems like Epic hasn't been knabbing a ton of exclusives lately 🤔
sage ermine
who actually filmed a baboon sitting in a boardroom banging on a laptop???
meager sorrel
whoever did deserves a metal
zinc matrix
his wife
sage ermine
you appear to be saying that:
a) baboons engage in human marriage cultural traditions
b) this baboons significant other has significant camera skills not to mention a fairly nice boardroom
zinc matrix
ye but maybe baboon wife is human
meager sorrel
oh he could be saying
c) his (the camera man's) wife in which he would be creating a paradox
sage ermine
I don't know
That baboon looks male to me
Hard to tell with the table in the way though
zinc matrix
ioFLOW MY GUYYY
meager sorrel
x)
sage ermine
neon iris
sage ermine
mossy nexus
Got to say those job offers in #looking-for-talent are ... erm... interesting? Is that the right word? 😄
hazy delta
Some look pretty legit, others are... Questionable.
rigid shoal
There was one that was looking for slaves.
It was like, no pay, no rev share.
fathom wadi
EA Games?
hazy delta
BuT tHiNk Of AlL ThE eXpOsUrE!
tough sierra
tulip orbit
signal citrus
In development?
zinc matrix
yes
signal citrus
Paying attention to anything that reeks of an unintentional uncomfortable experience
zinc matrix
you mean reek?
signal citrus
Yeah
Development haste can cause a lot of ripples, not always negative but it’s good to pay attention to the players quality of life
zinc matrix
what does that mean?
signal citrus
signal citrus
Pay attention to the players experience pretty much
pearl elk
I tend to just shoot my enemies in the knees, that slows them down
pearl elk
pearl elk
Yeah Im not sure what to think, it could be interesting but it could go either way
Just so difficult to tell these days, I want to trust PCF but after Anthem anything is possible in trailers
neon iris
cursive crypt
Writing in C++:
pearl elk
so what youre telling me is I can compare apples to oranges 😛
rigid shoal
Just curious, what are these <> called?
tidal ivy
angled braces
pearl elk
greater than, less than
rigid shoal
It gets real tiring having to say greater than sign, less than sign.
It's very relieving to be able to say angled braces now.
pearl elk
you could call them by their actual name
single guillemets
cuz you can see them used as full guillemets there too <<
zinc matrix
I call them non square brackets
zinc matrix
ragdoll looks fake
pearl elk
just remember in continuum mechanics, chevrons may be used as Macaulay brackets.
rain steppe
Does C++ hard to learn?
pearl elk
Hard to the learn
rigid shoal
Javascript is harder. This shit is unbelievable.
zinc matrix
it's like learning any other language @rain steppe
if you could learn English, you can C++
cursive crypt
As you see its mostly about food and guns.
pearl elk
reading math is the hard part
zinc matrix
chinese >>>>>>>>>> C++ in how hard it is to learn it
pearl elk
pearl elk
thats an easy one
carmine frigate
my formula is too easy, like pick a messed up font to make it look harder
pearl elk
carmine frigate
it doesnt really matter how long it is
just follow the order of operations and u should be fine
pearl elk
might help if you know what all the characters mean 😛
carmine frigate
they are just named floats
pearl elk
they all float down here
zinc matrix
What e-books readers you use? I'm considering to buy one. Does size really matter?
6" is enough or too small?
carmine frigate
desktop 32 inch 144 1440p
zinc matrix
I use my phone for reading but I need something dedicated.
median wraith
So Epic didn't gave the virus game cause the corona virus ? Are you serious
zinc matrix
|o/
pearl elk
The Kindle I got is alright but they have better backlit ones now, they seem to last awhile and are easy enough to use
Who cares about some virus game I want my free Kingdom Come already 😛
carmine frigate
plague inc is pretty good
its made in a comedy way but still has some stuff thats kinda accurate
pearl elk
looks like its F2P on play store
carmine frigate
yea u can try it, dont really need to buy anything to play last time i tried
carmine frigate
i dont think we wunna see this virus hit some big cities in india
its actually kinda dangerous
fluid bloom
waterworld gif, nice
winter zealot
so I was pinged by ppl making fun of me because I thought deprecating the GLES2 renderer in UE4 was a bad decision
because this is lounge, of course
even if something is working perfectly, it seems that people still want to deprecate it """"""" because it's 10 years old """"""""
I won't argue, I was just sayin'
pearl elk
wow I guess that person didnt want help, post was up 6mins on the UE4 dev FB group. Wrote and answer and boom, thread gawn
Ive had someone contact me because they trawled through my lounge history, its abit odd to say the least
zinc matrix
did they threaten to deprecate you Mons?
pearl elk
I wish they had, that would have been less creepy
alpine fern
median wraith
what kind of games do you play ? @pearl elk
pearl elk
Lately, all of nothing
median wraith
XD
ancient hornet
ALL of it?
cursive crypt
foggy path
Microsoft AutoUpdate on a Mac?
pearl elk
Office
foggy path
Of course :D
pearl elk
yeah I got MS shovelware on my Galaxy S7 grrr
cursive crypt
Yeah, something went wrong
pearl elk
Nah thats how MS progress bars work, they go backwards before they go forwards
carmine frigate
get random float in range: set progress bar
cursive crypt
Hmm... this reminded me of:
pearl elk
You cant even watch Star Wars in chronological order cuz of spoilers
zinc matrix
that's because it's downloading future updates too, ryobg
pearl elk
its depressing to know children will grow up thinking spoilers are okay
carmine frigate
hmm disney could do a remester with spoilers removed 😛
cursive crypt
Star Wars: Unspoiled?
pearl elk
yeah they could just remove Obiwan I suppose
alpine fern
whats wrong with just watching the movies in release order
zinc matrix
while they are at it, they could remove 7-9 episodes too
cursive crypt
lol, need a guideline book
alpine fern
would have to look it up lol
vocal vapor
The only Star Wars needed is the Ewok direct to TV movies.
zinc matrix
I watched this shit when VHS was a thing. Was disappointed as hell.
pearl elk
apparently you cant watch the original Star Wars without the update anymore, they edited the original films
Special Edition or nothin
and I got it wrong, Solo was before 8
Dont ask me to fit Rebels and Mandalorian in there
vocal vapor
No Solo was after 8.
zinc matrix
all I know that it was long time ago, and very far
vocal vapor
They had and probably still will have an alternating release schedule.
ancient ingot
star wars is poo, my little pony ftw !
tidal ivy
the original edits are largely lost to time
the theatrical releases were lost before the 90s :/
ancient ingot
😭
tidal ivy
however there are the despecialised editions you can find that have attempted to recreate them
EP4 despecialised is in itself a work of art
vocal vapor
I'm sure there's probably some old prints out there but the originals are probably lost to time.
Like a lot of films, or games, or just any bit of media.
pearl elk
My mate did have the original edits on VHS because it came in a set of two with Gold and Silver, gold being Special Edition
tidal ivy
the originals, and most prints, have since degraded to the point of being unplayable
the original edits never made a public release, and the theatrical editions never made it out of the cinema
EP6 being the exception, IIRC, there is no edit prior to the theatrical version
vocal vapor
Yeah Star Wars kept getting revised with things like the whole Episode 4 thing.
pearl elk
maybe someone should find the edit where Chewie gets his medal
vocal vapor
Moral of the story is, delete your source code and destroy the originals and such after release. That way anyone who tries to tweak something after the fact can't really/will have a far harder time.
Wait even better idea, delete your source code for the final master but keep an alpha build from 5 months prior.
mossy nexus
The EA way?
foggy path
You never realize the value of something until much later
mossy nexus
or more likely Bethseda
foggy path
:P
especially in the early days who would have thought someone wants to look at your shitty videogame prototype 15 years later lol
tidal ivy
there's an edit of EP5 where C3PO sort of kills Stormtroopers
vocal vapor
I mean most source code from the 90s and prior is probably lost so um.
neon iris
Rename all functions various species of shrimp and pawns
vocal vapor
Kinda just a sad fact of life.
pearl elk
lol this is how silly it is, I dont even start thinking in numbers until after the original trilogy
mossy nexus
Naa, rename them Var1, Var2,Var3.
vocal vapor
A lot of games can't easily get fixed/ported to modern hardware because of negligence.
pearl elk
Ep5 hmm which one... oh Empire Strikes Back 😛
tidal ivy
pearl elk
Star Wars: Battlefront back to the sides up down down
mossy nexus
Nintendo had to rely on Piratebay to get a hacked ROM so they could re release some game.
foggy path
meanwhile Nintendo is one of the most litigious companies when it comes to IP stuff I think :P
mossy nexus
yup, gotta love the irony
vocal vapor
I find it strange how Konami had alpha source code for Silent Hill 2 but they didn't have the final master.
pearl elk
Piratebay is a great library, I always renew my card
vocal vapor
And as a result of that we got this.
foggy path
alpha and prototypes often are found on random media from somewhere, like no one actually intended to keep those but it just happened
mossy nexus
An indie dev released his game on Steam AND Piratebay. His reasoning was, if someone goes to Piratebay they weren't going to buy it anyway, maybe they couldn't afford it or just wanted to check it out before buying it. After the PB release his Steam sales increased by 400%, and Steam wishlist thingy went through the roof.
pearl elk
Im tempted to have a Harry Potter night where I show all the movies in Star Wars order 😛
vocal vapor
The Source code for Blood was lost/in legal limbo but we thankfully have some pretty close reverse engineerings.
foggy path
It's a great way to get some publicity for sure to release on PB lol
vocal vapor
Same with Strife.
foggy path
Oh really it was lost? Huh
pearl elk
man Strife was great but it made me alittle ill to play
foggy path
I played the Strife re-release and I thought it played the same as the original, no idea what they did with it
vocal vapor
Strife Veteran edition is Chocolate Strife based. Not sure how close it is to the originals but I'm sure it's fine like how Blood FS, GDX and Nblood are close enough.
mossy nexus
When the director of Sonys entertainment division retired a few years ago, he said that they had tracked sales etc and found that people who pirate are likely to buy the product if it was good enough. He went on to say that often lesser known artists don't sell well, but their music is on piratebay which leads to larger audience, which leads to larger sales.
pearl elk
if you like Strife try Cybermage
vocal vapor
A power move would probably selling your source code to some random person.
foggy path
There's apparently some altright bigot guy who's buying IP rights to old games... from what I understand he owns some of the Keen series already
carmine frigate
who would want that?
foggy path
It's really weird because he keeps getting into arguments with @dosnostalgic lol
mossy nexus
vocal vapor
Are they the same guy who has the rights to Keen Dreams and made Abram's Tank?
vocal vapor
They've been yeeted off of Steam twice now.
carmine frigate
i think old ip like that just loses its value over time
foggy path
Yeah that's true
carmine frigate
keen was some super generic space traveler
foggy path
I'm not sure if it was really that generic, it did stand out at the time
carmine frigate
well his helm and stuff made him look a lil retarded
vocal vapor
Eh Zenimax still owns Keen, they just don't own Keen Dreams from my understanding.
foggy path
but compared to games that came after, it is definitely fairly clunky
carmine frigate
not something u base a movie on, a sidescroller like that wont work, and portin it to 3d might as well take any kind of space guy
vocal vapor
I wonder who owns the rights to this.
Keen is definitely a bit janky by todays standards but that's kinda how a lot of old games are.
vocal vapor
No idea why they decided to make a new mobile game based off of the ip.
cursive crypt
Only through the PC speaker, tho, lol - never heard the sound blaster.
foggy path
There was that awkward time in early 90s when PC gaming wasn't quite there yet when a lot of those "classic" games were made
They were good at the time because well it was the best PC's could do I guess but they haven't really aged all that well :D
pearl elk
Keen Dreams wasnt the best of the games
vocal vapor
Eh at least Keen had somewhat smooth scrolling.
carmine frigate
ya and a world map
pearl elk
Goodbye Galaxy was better
cursive crypt
I think I bought it on Steam... haven't ran it tho. And there was like one secret on the level which we havent found out. Think was part 5, the spaceship.
deep glen
only knows commander keen
foggy path
I'm thinking it was around 93-94 when there were more games that actually are still pretty fun to play even by modern standards
cursive crypt
... which reminded me the euphory when we discovered the alphabet codex, lol
foggy path
of course a lot of the games released even then are still pretty clunky by modern standards lol
mossy nexus
You know, I don't know if I should be shocked or impressed. Found a YouTube channel that has ripped off nearly all of Virtus channels videos, and uploaded them himself. In a couple of days.
carmine frigate
from what i seen virtus has a bunch of super convoluted bps 😛
not something i would rip
mossy nexus
Yeah, but he has a lot of vids. A hell of a lot. Re uploading all of them musta took some serious bandwidth
pearl elk
cursive crypt
dafuq is that?
deep glen
@pearl elk NO
carmine frigate
the audience u target never heared of Keen 😛
deep glen
just no
foggy path
was it Tom Hall who wanted to make more Keen type games
cursive crypt
Something died in me...
pearl elk
Get uranus to mars
foggy path
I wonder if he's involved in that
...probably not
Frankly that Keen trailer looks okay, but it's a bit weird in that Keen is really only relevant to dudes in their 30s-40s lol
vocal vapor
I think this is also implied to be canon in the Wolfenstein TNO timeline?
pearl elk
well its like Star Wars it doesnt grow up cuz you do
vocal vapor
So um, that's another strike against that.
deep glen
remember its spiritual successor Rad Rodgers :p
mossy nexus
hasn't heard of this so called Cmdr Keen.
pearl elk
Rad Rodgers is fun, I liked the pixel world thing that was clever
cursive crypt
still in denial
foggy path
I thought Braid had some interesting mechanics
I don't remember if I ever finished it though, but it was kinda cool
mossy nexus
Try derhine instead @cursive crypt
deep glen
last scene in braid was really cool
pearl elk
thing is the world of platformers changed alot since Keen, Donkey Kong Country and Metal Slug for one
neon iris
pearl elk
umm I havent played anything on Nintendo for awhile no
foggy path
the 3D Donkey Kong game?
deep glen
<_<
foggy path
lol
deep glen
tropical freeze and the like
carmine frigate
got rayman legends free from epic store, havent installed it
vocal vapor
I'm just kinda burnt out on 2D platformers.
deep glen
also a good game
carmine frigate
think i played it allready and its good
foggy path
Oh I didn't even know they still made games in that series lol
mossy nexus
Ah Keen first came out in 90? Explains why I've never heard of it.
foggy path
I thought DK 64 was the last one
deep glen
nahh
pearl elk
yeah I played DK64 that was pretty decent cuz I liked Banjo Kazooie but that was yeeaaars ago 😛
foggy path
but I guess it would make sense for them to continue it since it was so popular
neon iris
Except everyone’s favourite: Rare’s version
deep glen
pearl elk
heh that looks pretty good, so now I have 2 reasons to get a Switch 😛
carmine frigate
yea nintendo still makes some good stuff
zinc matrix
soo
carmine frigate
high budget kids games
vocal vapor
That game was um, hmmmm.
deep glen
only positive about it is the vfx
vocal vapor
Really did feel like that team's first console game.
And also felt like it was made in like, two years or so with only like 30 people? IDK it's dev cycle just seemed like it'd have been super tight.
pearl elk
Always a good sign
vocal vapor
Pokemon games have always had very not good dev cycles anyway though so it's nothing new.
pearl elk
I suppose be thankful it wasnt MS they woulda cancelled it just before release 😛
deep glen
still though, a pokemon game that gets the love of an actual mario/zelda/wow game would be hnng
tidal ivy
Pokemon is a franchise that needs a rest followed by a hard reboot
but that'll never happen
vocal vapor
I stopped enjoying Pokemon games when they went fully 3D, maybe my tastes changed or they just really dropped in quality after Black and White.
deep glen
hence some people are creating their own pokemon game, and its doing well
pearl elk
new Pokemon game with 5 starter pokemons the rest will come in updates
carmine frigate
should play scribblenauts, its fun 😛
vocal vapor
That being said Pokemon has been stagnant for like, two decades.
Played one of them and you've kinda played them all.
ancient hornet
I still feel like the first Pokemon is a kind of RPG that hasn't been redone, ever
I suppose the new pokemon generations are mostly meant for the people that don't know the license yet
vocal vapor
Eh Tem Tem just kinda seems like one of those Pokemon MMO game things from a while back. Doesn't seem to do anything that different.
ancient ingot
i want to be a donkey
deep glen
https://i.gyazo.com/327fb026c5ceb8f5d1307249d7d34ec2.gif whoo progress
special thanks to @wraith star hehe
fathom wadi
looks rubbish ! Graphics are crap ! Asset Flipper !
wait... sorry. Troll mode enabled by default. Switching it off now.
bleep blop bloop
reminds me of one of the first games I ever played. Atic Atac.
This is a render in 3dsm
median wraith
did you made it ?
jolly wigeon
foggy path
that render has a similar vibe as Generation Zero
(which albeit super buggy at launch was quite a fun game in coop)
hazy delta
oh the joys of upgrading unreal to a newer version
hazy delta
sadly those are european shaders 😦
bold fulcrum
95 Kiloshaders.
zinc matrix
is there a way to disable error logs in ue4?
alpine fern
why would you want that?
stiff crystal
to not have any errors, duh
fathom wadi
I disabled logs once. But I had to re-enable them as they made my foliage look bare.
zinc matrix
i made this: https://i.imgur.com/PysWofy.gifv
i think i can get my game done really quick but im dissapointed with quality of each feature i code. but if i spend more time on them then ill never finish my game. oof
foggy path
lol
that's the approach I take tbh
now that I have more of the functionality sort of working I'm trying to make a sort of a gameplay demo level that looks a bit nicer
but because my idea is so complicated I have no idea if that's gonna happen especially as I'm bad at 3D modeling and even worse at creating textures/materials... but we'll see :p
worldly kelp
Anyone check out the latest Humble bundle? A ton of low-poly models from Synty
median wraith
lets see
zinc matrix
@worldly kelp where is it?
median wraith
got 3 of them already that bought or was for free at Epic
zinc matrix
can you link
median wraith
the pack from Unity was better I think
if they gave at least some of these old complete packs
median wraith
you have whole videos there 🤦🏽♂️
zinc matrix
no
deep glen
quiet narwhal
whoah Epic has a new president https://twitter.com/ballmatthew/status/1227661115695468546
deep glen
wha
cursive crypt
Nike, as in shoes?
zinc matrix
https://i.imgur.com/8yycYQn.png i did that
quiet narwhal
shoes was his last gig but he has done Zynga, Disney Interactive, EA, Take Two, and other gaming in the past
zinc matrix
Tim needed someone who knows shoes around and so decided to buy one
cursive crypt
Some people really switch around.
quiet narwhal
people in the high end do tend to switch around yep. They get hired in for a specific job and task and when it's done they move on
cursive crypt
As now maybe?
quiet narwhal
it's us low level drones who enjoy doing the same stuff forever lol
cursive crypt
lol, agreed
winter zealot
I don't know... since EGS has been released and how it's gatekeeping so many indie devs for arbitrary reasons...
I'm very worried about whatever Epic games is up to
any time there's more babble about freedom from tim sweeney, the actual contrary is being put in practice
rocket league not available on linux, ES2 being dropped, barriers to publish on EGS, etc etc
zinc matrix
fascination
winter zealot
they don't seem to want to do free publishing for everyone, or software that runs on many platforms
tim sweeney is basically whining that his fortnite is just making 3.999 billions instead of 4 billions because of googleplay
has no plans to just let indie devs publish games on EGS without any bullshit from epic
cursive crypt
Well, they do a lot already? Like who else compares and does these things?
winter zealot
no, there's curation for EGS, indie devs are forced to only ship to EGS or don't ship to EGS at all
EGS is not itch.io, the curation is arbitrary and has no clear rules
alpine fern
curation can't have clear rules
winter zealot
that's why I don't want curation on any publishing platform
more like tools for users to hide games they don't wanna see from their store
zinc matrix
indies cant publish games on egs without any bullshit from epic?
alpine fern
if you do you'll just have big brain come up with the optimal shovelware that passes the rules by the smallest possible margin
winter zealot
like frog fractions ? a game that everyone loves ?
alpine fern
never heard of it
winter zealot
with curation it's impossible to innovate
I won't get into the full argument because usually, people wanting curation are not actual gamedevs, or gamedevs just wanting the attention for their games only, at the expense of everyone else
but Zeblote, that's exactly the point, that you've never heard of frog fractions
this game exists, is played and it's no one's buisness to curate that
it's not your buisness to curate what should exist or not
quiet narwhal
It's certainly someones business, apple for example.
quiet narwhal
you don't have to like it but some people do and want it and some people provide it for them.
winter zealot
players should be able to hide games they don't want to see
alpine fern
if no one ever sees the product then it is completely pointless to exist on the store in the first place
winter zealot
instead of some honch establishing arbitrary curation
if players should be able to hide games they don't want to see, they would decide
if Zeblote sees the icon of game, decides it's bad, he just hits a key, clicks on the game icon, and it dissapears
games could even be hidden based on cross referencing what players have chosen to hide
(it's how netflix recommendations are working)
alpine fern
isn't there like one billion games on app store
alpine fern
it makes zero difference for you whether the store rejects it or it lands in this sea of nothingness
the result is the same: failure
winter zealot
that's your assumption
not everyone has the same tastes or opinions as you, and they should have it their way the same as you
you shouldn't be bothered with games you don't wanna see, but players should play what they want, and devs publish what they want too
anyways that's just my opinion
alpine fern
have you ever bought a game on itch
winter zealot
I'm sure epic is gonna keep being a pain, justifying their acts with stats of how much money they make, and bland statements about games in general
I regularly do buy games on itch yes
they also have a new president now... it's someone who worked at zynga
not exactly the kind of company that has freedom of players and devs as a core value
alpine fern
well of course their core value is to make money for themselves
winter zealot
I'd love to read good news for indie devs, not just for some successful few, but for everyone in general
making android games is hard and now epic is gonna make it even worse for everyone except for themselves and a selected few 😦
alpine fern
well the 30% tax was never deserved to begin with
so it's good that someone with enough $ to fight against that nonsense showed up
winter zealot
it's better to pay 30% of tax than to be unable to publish anything because of arbitrary rules
somehow, EGS does so poorly as far as freedom of publishing is concerned that they even justify steam's buisness model
they don't seem to care too, they're only going to relay the positive stuff people say about EGS
alpine fern
they can't have "freedom of publishing" when there's no system that would figure out who should be shown what
winter zealot
i'm sorry to be a smartass for saying this, I apologize but
alpine fern
so something like that necessarily has to be made before they can open it more
winter zealot
yes they can, it's called the appstore and googleplay
alpine fern
both of those have had many years more development behind them than epic store
winter zealot
i don't care 😄
all that I care about is that I can publish my games on the damn platform
i'm not the one having forced them to rush a nonsense of a platform that failed at everything it had to do
freedom of publishing exists on amazon, it's the biggest store there is
that's it end of the argument as far as i'm concerned
I mean, dear Zeblote you often make great points, I've nothing against you, I really don't
signal citrus
A bit confused what is the role of the president?
winter zealot
it's just that ... gosh I wish EGS would bounce of the game industry
Pat I've no idea
I'm sorry I'm gonna stop ranting also
somehow stressed these days, and these nonsensical news keeps happening
signal citrus
Mark Rein is still VP
winter zealot
yeah I've no idea how they work or who does what
winter zealot
I give fooks because that's how I make monies
winter zealot
it's funny Zeblote, but yeah I'd sort of like things to evolve
alpine fern
well I wouldn't expect epic to evolve things with a store
it still takes up to 4 tries to use their website sometimes and they haven't fixed it in months
winter zealot
yeah sometimes they do awesome stuff such as the chaos engine, the blender to unreal addon, niagara etc
but wow, not always
alpine fern
I have the best idea why not put the store into fortnite
now it is guaranteed to have amazing performance
winter zealot
yeaah so the same very known indie game that has been bought 99 times by everyone already could be given for free to players
so actual indie devs trying to sell their games would have to face more unfair competition
while having a 50%+- chance of being gated out of EGS or not making enough on EGS
yeah Zeblote they absolutely make good stuff for fortnite tho, they optimize everything for that game
median wraith
I feel like this is as when all 12 years old hackers that use memory editors downloaded pirated games and was count as a lost for the developer, if someone wants to support you and buy your product will do
If no, then there is no lost
Let the cool kids have 50000 games on lib without play
winter zealot
sure, ideally that'd be better
gosh, at least they don't have to buy fortnite skins for that
alpine fern
get a free game with every fortnite skin
winter zealot
I didn't know it was so long to get access to epic's website sometimes
4 tries is alot
median wraith
Anyway the main amount of users are on epic for fortnite
Could even like a chart about the main 10 games of steam VS rest of gamers playing at time to see the split
alpine fern
sometimes using epic website works like this
- error: logged out
- redirect to main page
- opens the page but logged out, log in, redirects to main page
- it finally works
median wraith
Yeah the redirects and login
I end giving a shit and checking the marketplace at launcher
alpine fern
now that I think about it it stopped asking me for a 2fa code
are we not doing those anymore
winter zealot
I use the launcher too yup, had no idea about any 2fa code as well
sudden oxide
Hello,
if Epic store will shut down, what will happen to the games users bought?
fathom wadi
@alpine fern I just had to login to the site and it asked me for a 2fa
alpine fern
they go poof
fathom wadi
yeah people dont buy games anymore. They lease them
foggy path
Some EGS titles are actually kinda sorta DRM free
foggy path
I know Satisfactory for example has no DRM
Steam games would pretty much just all stop working :P
signal citrus
Kinda sorta DRM free you say? I'm listening..
alpine fern
all the multiplayer features of satisfactory would stop working
foggy path
I think Subnautica EGS release was also DRM free or at least it seemed to work just fine without EGS running when I tried it
Oh yeah I guess the multiplayer might be done through epic's services
sudden oxide
can I request to get the cd key for the game I buy?
foggy path
tbh I buy everything I can off GOG
sudden oxide
you get cd key when you buy from GOG?
foggy path
their releases are all 100% DRM free
signal citrus
GOG supposedly requires no keys for anything
but i know some games make you make an account still, so wouldn't put the reality of losing a game's online ability to be played in sure safety.
foggy path
Gonna be interesting to see what they do with Cyberpunk's multiplayer component, that seems it would tie it to specific platforms unless they have listenserver support
signal citrus
as in a game specific account or whatever
tidal ivy
a lot of Steam games are also DRM free, FYI - but a fair few also integrate Steam features
zinc matrix
Follow-up from the other channel, the approach was very simple: file formats
The trick is in learning how engines consume serialized data
and then basically train an AI to do translation, as long as you have a Rosetta Stone as a starting point, the rest is easy ( easier )
I will show some pictures of gibberish, to make a point
tidal ivy
I'm not entirely sure what you think you've automated?
zinc matrix
Let's say the topic of remastering or remaking of videogame comes up
the most immediate application of my machine is useful in this scenario
it doesn't matter the source Engine or destination engine
turbid willow
Hello
zinc matrix
the machine takes data serialized according to the source engine and translates it to be consumed By the destination engine, without any human being or toolset involved
tidal ivy
but that's useless?
zinc matrix
It's a thought exercise, I'm A scientist, it's useful to me as an experiment
median wraith
Valve wrote back in the time if they have to shutdown will patch them all to work without steam @signal citrus @foggy path
turbid willow
can i make one with like 50-100k?
tidal ivy
no
turbid willow
nah you cool
median wraith
In other had gog promotes 24/7 their launcher and many games are corrupted on purpose to force to use their launcher
foggy path
I haven't noticed anything like that happening with games on GOG
zinc matrix
my scientific premise was: is there a way to generalize? My opinion was that: yes. But as a scientist I had to prove it.
foggy path
GOG Launcher literally just runs some exe or bat file :P
median wraith
The Witcher 2 have corrupted files on the web version and they force you to use their launcher, is even write by them and posted on forums
foggy path
@turbid willow the answer to your question depends on if you plan to get office space and how many employees you intend to hire, etc. etc.
turbid willow
is truly digital studio possible in current day and age?
tidal ivy
yes, but difficult
but I mean your basic solicitor fees are going to absorb half or more of that $50k budget, so...
let alone pay a salary for someone who knows how to develop games
foggy path
Depends on country somewhat
but yeah 50-100k probably hires one full time developer for a year
tidal ivy
anyone worth hiring isn't realistically going to be much cheaper than the next guy
median wraith
Solicitor fees what's that?