also any potentially usefull tool like houdini or blender
#lounge
rain steppe
Can you link good houdini and blender channels, and factorio also?
I am kind of new to discord...
mossy nexus
Sharing discord links is against the rules
pearl elk
Yup do it in DMs
zinc matrix
@hazy delta wtf dude
mossy nexus
or search via discords Server Discovery
zinc matrix
with my two decades of gaming experience
i quit AAA games after a minute
cause they bore me
rain steppe
Why sharing links is against rules?
hazy delta
cookie clicker is AAA now?
zinc matrix
being addicted to cookie clicker is something weird
no
thats the thing
cookie clicker is much worse than AAA
rain steppe
I like good AAA and indie games.
zinc matrix
i like good indie games but only these that i will make
hazy delta
alright sorry I'm not so manly enough to apply to your high standards of liking games
rain steppe
So you don't like any game ๐ค
mossy nexus
People, ya'll need to stop calling companies AAA. Coz that shit ended years ago. Big companies can make good games, but often they make shit money grabs.
hazy delta
he started it ๐ฆ
rain steppe
Like warcraft the refunded
mossy nexus
Indeed
zinc matrix
@mossy nexus i think AAA just means good graphics with ton of details
rain steppe
No
zinc matrix
yes
mossy nexus
And my point still remains Seppy.
neon iris
Didnโt know a good game is only defined by a single random individualโs preferences. Good to know we finally found the gamer god.
hazy delta
so in your eyes nintendo isn't a AAA dev? @zinc matrix
rain steppe
A lot of AAA crap has shitty graphics.
zinc matrix
it depends on graphics
hazy delta
lol what?
zinc matrix
of particular game
mossy nexus
uh-huh
hazy delta
AAA is just about be budget behind the studio, not the graphics
rain steppe
Bioshock looks like crappy trash
carmine frigate
i think AAA has to do with marketing budget
mossy nexus
Hmm, I think thats unfair, it's stylised
ancient ingot
๐
hazy delta
I prefer stylised games over any hyper realistic games 100% though
carmine frigate
stylized ages better ๐
zinc matrix
i prefer entertaining games than stylized or realistic
rain steppe
I prefer realistic games.
ancient ingot
i prefer porn games
hazy delta
like Zelda Windwaker looks just as good as it did back then, but Crysis looks like shit these days
rain steppe
What? I still play crysis and it still look better than most new games.
And physics - modern games are not even close to Crysis.
zinc matrix
runescape os is best game
carmine frigate
yea lol crysis i crazy good
mossy nexus
The terminology of AAA historically refers to finance. Big companies having bigger budgets etc, and it got side swiped into inferring Quality, which clearly isn't the case. Blame the layman for misconstruing the meaning of words and phrases... ๐
pearl elk
I prefer D size games, AAAs are abit small
carmine frigate
i allways goty was some award or something
but its something like an all dlc version or something right?
every1 can do a goty version
hazy delta
usually they get goty and then make a bundled version with all the DLCs
mossy nexus
Marketing and PR have had such a run on termanology over the past few decades. They got to invent new descriptions and like suckers we all believed them, until we caught on of course.
neon iris
Like how the word indie is near meaningless now? ๐
pearl elk
Cloud Gaming iz de footoire
carmine frigate
we call that jobbless overhere ๐
mossy nexus
Yeah you have indie companies consisting of a few hundred employees these days... ๐
hazy delta
it's not limited to games, look at the megapixel craze when it comes to cameras.... some company had to 'inven't Ultra Pixels that are bigger for better quality to lower the resolution. which actually increased quality on a compact camera
rain steppe
What games are you waiting?
hazy delta
Blizzard is an indie company right?
neon iris
Remember the 64 bit craze? ๐
hazy delta
Still waiting for that Nintendo 128
zinc matrix
guys i dont wanna offtop but ive been texting with internet friend for about 17 years(we are not gay just similar hobbies and like to text) and he wants to meet for the first time but i just prefer to text with him... how do i explain it to him?
mossy nexus
Atari Jaguar, 64bit console... ๐
wtf does being or not being gay have to do with it?
hazy delta
why would you mention that you're not gay?
pearl elk
You should go outside and meet them
hazy delta
hug them and maybe cuddle a bit, as long as you say 'no homo' afterwards it isn't gay
so no worries there
mossy nexus
lol
carmine frigate
i usually fake my own death
pearl elk
Its only gay if you take it
neon iris
Peck on the cheek is a traditional greeting
hazy delta
just go staight to french kissing for the greeting to show dominance
zinc matrix
@hazy delta i mentioned we are not gay to avoid gay jokes
mossy nexus
๐
hazy delta
well that worked great for you
mossy nexus
well that was dumb, wasn't it
hazy delta
then just tell them you don't want to meet
mossy nexus
yarp, tell him you're hiding in a closet and can't meet him
pearl elk
I usually order the most expensive thing on the menu then leave em with the bill
neon iris
If you donโt want to meet then you donโt want to meet. This isnโt school ๐
mossy nexus
Yeah, really don't see what the big deal is.
carmine frigate
just say u got that corona thing goin on
pearl elk
Not meeting a friend is kinda weird
mossy nexus
Him: "wanna meet up?"
You: "Naa, dude"
hazy delta
or just tell them you're not gay
mossy nexus
^^
pearl elk
Maybe its an online homo only thing
mossy nexus
Unless you are, and haven't found peace in soul yet
pearl elk
Internet fluid
hazy delta
"sorry dude I'm too straight to meet with other guys"
neon iris
This is brutal
mossy nexus
Guys, although this is Off Topic, we are dangerously close to violating rules.
hazy delta
alright I'm done
pearl elk
Can I get some relationship advice?
mossy nexus
no
ancient ingot
sure, stay single
hazy delta
^
mossy nexus
cheese singles?
neon iris
Get more cows
hazy delta
invest in cows
hazy delta
ancient hornet
i mentioned we are not gay to avoid gay jokes
did you know about the streisand effect? well know you know it ๐
zinc matrix
what is streisand efect?
anyway he immedietely said the reason why he wants to meet so this is very fishy because you wouldnt need to tell the reason if it wasnt fishy
something is wrong
pearl elk
If you been friends with someone so long it makes sense to want to see them in person
ancient hornet
neon iris
For your friendโs safety, donโt meet.
hazy delta
"hey wanna meet up"
"nah dude sorry"
"I just wanna meet because we've known each other for 17 years"
year super fishy
median wraith
whats going on with the today chat ?
pearl elk
I mean why would they stick around if they didnt want something
neon iris
Everyone is grumpy
pearl elk
Corntrollios
hazy delta
I'm just jealous because I don't have friends
median wraith
awesome
pearl elk
I have cows
median wraith
I have people that add me as friends then remove me as friends then add me as friends and then remove me back as friends
hazy delta
yay happy birthday Hev ๐ฅณ ๐ฐ ๐
median wraith
To you too High
median wraith
I wanted to go outside but took me 3h to check one thing awesome
neon iris
Prove it. Take a picture of your shoes ๐
zinc matrix
@hazy delta i dont have friends too
hazy delta
well you have that one dude that you know for 17 years
neon iris
He just offered to upgrade to friend
neon iris
So picky ๐
median wraith
I have dudes I know for near 15 years and didn't see them in person
pearl elk
You dont wanna go out on your bday Hevedy, stay here with me. Im not gay
zinc matrix
@median wraith lOOOlll
neon iris
Turns out it was actually Hevedy
median wraith
Sorry I don't talk with nerds @pearl elk
oh wait that car is yours ?
I changed my mind
pearl elk
But you swiped my tinder
median wraith
oh thats true
@neon iris na don't think so, I see that bae each day looking at me at the bathroom
zinc matrix
i need to take shower srs
neon iris
This isnโt helping your case
median wraith
what case
pearl elk
The case of the missing birthday
zinc matrix
i have like 4 projects to do
all need to be done super high quality
and game is one of them
pearl elk
IoFlow will help
pearl elk
D: I did nothing
cursive crypt
Dudez, are you slacking off? This channel is the true face of the server.
pearl elk
Shouldnt it be "Blend to Unreal"
sage ermine
pearl elk
Epic always donates goats
median wraith
they can use godot as part of UE4 as well :p
zinc matrix
how
median wraith
because is MIT licensed
median wraith
but isn't the main purpose, idk why they did
pearl elk
Because Godot doing better eats into Unity more than it does Unreal
median wraith
Imagine Epic buys Crytek
zinc matrix
epic games wants to kill unity this way
epic will donate every competitor except
unity
or at least godot
cuz unityis not open source and godot is
pearl elk
And it might sway Godot devs to Epic Store
zinc matrix
so some unity users may swithc to godot if they want open source
and it would be good for epic
pearl elk
Unity for Unreal VM
Port all the games
I think it shows Epic are a positive force, since when did any of these other big game publishers help anyone out
neon iris
That would be pretty nice if they donated a landfill
cursive crypt
Donate Mannequin for Unity.
soft night
mannequin work great on blender
rain steppe
What is mannequin?
pearl elk
Free Manney Quinn
soft night
Mons Quinn the new Harley Quinn?
rain steppe
Please help
deep glen
two days ago one of my oldest cats passed away :/
deep glen
cats should be immortal
pearl elk
Aww damn, loosing animals is never easy
bold fulcrum
@deep glen Condolences, Lu.
sage ermine
ai
rain steppe
What is mannequin help please!
hazy delta
deep glen
the Mannequin is a placeholder-character used in ue4. we often refer to it as Manny
rain steppe
How do you use it inside blender?
hazy delta
export it
rain steppe
I meant how to transfer it?
hazy delta
never tried it, but I wouldn't think so
ancient ingot
whatd i do now? ๐ฎ
ancient ingot
luos has a unique skill i need ๐
hazy delta
cursive crypt
Oh, the young hearts โค๏ธ
neon iris
But Hev might know how to belly dance
deep glen
@ancient ingot im not available :p
neon iris
median wraith
lol
neon iris
Trick is to hold a blueberry in your mouth
median wraith
at the first didn't even notice the blueberry tbh
thought was the peak
brb food time
deep glen
just received the cremation papers, apparently they have a discount this month for cremation of cats. wtf. who comes up with such things.
neon iris
Tale as old as time https://youtu.be/1XkPeN3AWIE
deep glen
I can already see some disturbed person go "ooh, discount, kill the cat!"
deep glen
ikr
zinc matrix
@pearl elk this is true epic is generally perceived as positive company becuz they give money out etc
but unity seems better to me (as engine)
maybe because im not making heavy graphically game
finite lark
from non on {el use my digital tablet to communicate D:
median wraith
Wat
sage tendon
@deep glen next week its 2 cats for the price of 1
rain steppe
What does "red pill me" mean?
pearl elk
I dont think Ive ever chose a game engine based on its graphics
because thats really down to the artist, Im more interested in pipelines and tools
soft night
as I did texturing meetmat so sketchfab have the model https://skfb.ly/6QrPQ if want to look more closely
signal citrus
hazy delta
that's seriously impressive, but that little bit at the end there is worrying to say the least
hazy delta
I'm only a bit jelly
signal citrus
the thing about windows only supporting threadgroups of 64 worries me more than the memory cap (with the 3990x)
hazy delta
I wanna go for the 3950x when I upgrade, but by the time I've got the money for it there might even be a new one out so let's see
signal citrus
4000 series is about to be announced
hazy delta
yeah but at least that's not some artificial problem that's by design
signal citrus
for desktop
hazy delta
yeah so it's more likely going to be that then ๐ค
signal citrus
well if you need >256 it sounds like they want you to go epyc yeah
artificial limitations are a thing
difference between the cores on the ryzen3 vs ryzen9 may be nothing if they have a good yield of mfg
but they have to make em worse for market demand
hazy delta
well yeah, but as Linus said it, there's other reasons why you would chose epyc over the threadripper too so why do that
signal citrus
epyc is the "i'm a big company that needs servers" pricing
so you could go epyc but then you have to overclock like mad to get it to run at the same rates
hazy delta
which is less than ideal
signal citrus
yeah
i can't imagine anyone going more than 256
that would be 8 dims of 32gb sticks
32gb sticks suck still, hard to find priced well at 3600mhz
hazy delta
yeah it's a very niche problem
signal citrus
not supporting server side 256gb dimms is meh
hazy delta
let's just hope that it doesn't escalate in some weird artificial bottlenecking nonsense in the future that actually has an impact
signal citrus
highly doubt it would
really looking forward to 4000 series desktop though, they'll likely announce something this month on them
hazy delta
I just find it hard to trust companies these days ๐
signal citrus
you shouldn't haha
signal citrus
but when linus goes and finds bad things to say aobut stuff, and comparing it to server hardware like that, its a bit out of the realm of what threadripper has always been anyways
hazy delta
well yeah since there's nothing to compare it to really
signal citrus
threadripper has not ever been something to support the weird 64gb, 128gb and up dimms
yeah
its also priced in the ball park of those chips so i get the comparison
hazy delta
well I'll probably never buy one so who am I to complain ๐
stiff crystal
I feel like the memory limit was bit exaggerated on that linus video
like sure it happened to limit his use case
how many really edit 8k footage with these today
all I can think of is how bloody fast the compilation times would be with that thing
stiff crystal
and how much pain it would be to use Unity's profiler with their job system on 128 threads if 24 hw threads makes it practically impossible to use already
it was hard enough to find the things with that when I only had 4 hw threads
(it's just poor ux on that tool)
hazy delta
step 1:
don't use unity :^)
hazy delta
if you never make anything, nothing can go wrong
north torrent
Just don't make videogames.
mint onyx
@stiff crystal wondering how is our unreal insights performing in that case ๐
fringe sundial
@mint onyx no prob, after all unreal barely uses 2 threads
other than main thread and renderthread, not much happening XD
mint onyx
๐ probably not with the recent changes
stiff crystal
just for the reference, that screenshot was game code + physics
and yeah, you'd actually need widescreen monitor turned in vertical mode to actually see the whole job list on that :p
what's more stupid, they let you limit the worker thread amount on code, but it will start using random worker at start, so your three workers might be worker 0, worker 10 and worker 23, so you'd still be scrolling back and forth
again, not their job system design flaw but their profilers ux flaw
zinc matrix
guys what are you up to
north torrent
I still want someone to make a 2 core processor that is as fast as technology will allow.
I'm just curious.
hazy delta
pretty sure it won't be noticably faster. the reason for multithreadding is because we kinda hit a ceiling at 4GHz
now obviously that's oversimplifying it, but I'd be surprised to see something above 5GHz if you still want to aircool it
also not an expert on this, so who knows ๐ค
fathom wadi
multi-threading was developed many years before we even got near 4ghz
the cell processor was ahead of the game in that respect by about 25 years
north torrent
Like my 10 year old i7-920...
hazy delta
maybe not multithreading, but multi core cpus then?
i don't really know, I remember reading something along those lines, but as I said, I'm not an expert on CPU's
fathom wadi
well Cell was the basis for multi-core, multi-threaded procs. So it was all just about catching up to home tech in terms of releasing it to public
it didn't turn up until the PS3 though. After almost 30 years of dev invested in it
north torrent
I would suspect that having only 2 cores would at least help a 5ghz processor thermally comparted to having 8 or 12.
hazy delta
yeah that's why that was my guess, based on the bit of overclocking knowledge I've gathered heat goes up at a crazy rate when you increase voltage and clock speeds
and it gets worse with more cores for obvious reasons, but I don't think that two cores will make such a big difference
north torrent
The world may never know.
hazy delta
would there even be a use for a 2 core CPU except for a gaming only PC?
because I sure as hell would not want to work with Unreal on something like that
north torrent
I wasn't thinking in terms of practicality or marketability.
hazy delta
oh okay
fathom wadi
Emulation in my arcade cabinet I haven't bought yet
north torrent
I was just purely curious what the differences might be.
hazy delta
I mean yeah I'd love to know what would be possible in a 'what if' scenario, sure
north torrent
Though if it actually was the best gaming cpu, then that alone would make it a viable product I would think.
hazy delta
would be cool do have some dual motherbord that could switch into gaming mode with the 2core CPU and to work mode with a high core CPU
I wonder if that would be technically feasable
fathom wadi
there has been systems like that before for switching between proc types but its so custom and niche you wouldn't see it on Amazon, perhaps Ebay
hazy delta
well if it's possible then why hasn't this become more of a thing? ๐ค I guess your typical multi core CPU is 'good enough' for gaming anyway so why bother with something highly specialized like that
fathom wadi
it has no advantage over mult-core
and games rarely use everything on a CPU anyway
imagine the timing issues with multi-threaded across different CPUs in a realtime gaming environment. It would be strange to say the least and we all know game devs are lazy and expect it to work without extra effort :p
hazy delta
oh are there actually timing issues? huh okay yeah that wouldn't be too great
oh wait we're still on different CPU's
well I mean you'd switch one off and the other on
not use them in tandem
fathom wadi
yeah at that point, what is the point? :p Gaming isn't a CPU intensive task if you think about it. It's a GPU task. Mostly the CPU is just handling how the GPU orders tasks, rather than processing anything heavy.
If you were serious about having a gaming rig and an "industrially capable" rig for processing, it wouldn't make sense to do anything but dedicate it. The entire hardware setup would be different requirements mostly
hazy delta
really depends on the game and in beat saber 1080 ti was chilling, but I still had framerate issues that screwed with the tracking and the only culprit I could find was a high CPU usage
also I remember WoW needing a lot of CPU
fathom wadi
there is nothing to day the cpu can't max out when it can, but it doesn't mean it needs it. There is obviously a bottleneck there though. The thing is, a modern cpu won't bottleneck a single GPU. It could handle 3 or 4 at least
you are right though, it does depend on what the dev has done in terms of offloading things. Perhaps Beat Saber has requirements for timing that prefer a dedicated thread setup on the CPU to avoid typical caveats of timing games
zinc matrix
heres the holy question
fathom wadi
he's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy.
fathom wadi
I resent having wireless in my house
sage tendon
If an ITer posts that I would assume you dont know how to secure stuff
fathom wadi
I would get rid of it but the wife + phone = lose
securing stuff is relative though and if you are in IT security, you know you are pissing in the wind without serious investment
sage tendon
Nonsense
fathom wadi
kevin mitnick knows
sage tendon
MAC whitelisting, an actually strong password and not your address, good luck getting in
fathom wadi
the first step to security is not telling others how you secure it
sage tendon
C'mon datamining 2 billion people, you think youre that interesring for targeted searches?
fathom wadi
no thats why I said its relative
but if you did have stuff you wanted to secure, it comes with a cost analysis
sage tendon
Well, does your home have windows?
fathom wadi
my house is the least secure network in the street and I guarantee im the most IT orientated amongst the block
sage tendon
Is your door plated metal with no edge for a crowbar?
Window + Brick = bye all security
fathom wadi
not necessarily. got some martial arts and a crowbar as a firewall :p
sage tendon
Tho, most passes can be cracked using "security questions" anyways
neon iris
If they were decent security officer, theyโd posted compTIA in that silly list ๐
sage tendon
Blast out the door frame
fathom wadi
yeah why not? national security issue :p
sage tendon
Let the people know that the cops gets you out of bed by using shock waves
fathom wadi
everyone's a terrorist for a certain period under UK law. The prevention of terrorism act has been abused many times to incarcerate people being arseholes :p
fathom wadi
heya
magic yew
is there a place to ask questions about games?
fathom wadi
yeah
sage tendon
Here then
fathom wadi
yeah in here for non-unreal stuff
magic yew
ah cool
magic yew
well, i've been playing about with a games files and I edited some of the textures in photoshop and i go in the game and it works. except for one object in the game. i've changed it's texture and i can't find the original texture for it but for some reason it still appears with the original texture in the game.
any ideas how this could be happening?
*can't find it remaining in the games files.
sage tendon
Might be using an other texture or something
magic yew
hm, it's possible, i'll have a better look. i don't understand why they'd have one texture of the original but not use it though.
sage tendon
Not knowing how they made it, it could be a procedural material or using other references
magic yew
Yeah true
I intend to import all this stuff to unreal engine anyway though lol. or try to.
zinc matrix
hi
my game is doin well so far
but did nothing today again
meh
LOL
- Sometimes my Force bends backwards
- How's Leia? How's Leia? How's Leia?
- Wow Han wow
- He's dead... Wrapped in carbonite.
- The wookies are not what they seem
- Force walk with me
- David Lynch's "The return of *JUDY"
cursive crypt
Talkin' about walls up:
zinc matrix
wow
cursive crypt
Sounds like you will never achieve something meaningful in your life.
zinc matrix
@cursive crypt like 99% of people?
stiff crystal
talking of memes
https://i.imgflip.com/yo9au.jpg
deep glen
lol
uncut otter
omg steam client is so broke i can't take this
hazy delta
the weird thing is... all are arguably equally shitty ways to tell a story
zinc matrix
Ea last good game was nfs 2 enderground and the sims 1
rare sparrow
enderground sounds like a Minecraft mod 
fathom wadi
Dragon Age Inquisition was a glorious game.
pearl elk
trying to think of a game with a good story now ๐
tulip orbit
Minecraft
signal citrus
marc ecko's getting up has a good story
pearl elk
is Ecko even around anymore, I havent seen it in ages
ECKO UNLTD 72 FRAGRANCE, hey cool Rhino shit smell aftershave ๐
fathom wadi
did the blender plugin from the livestream have a github or something?
pearl elk
Itd be packaged into UE4 like all the other plugins right
fathom wadi
im not sure.
pearl elk
Do you know which company is making the plugin, Epic or Blender?
fathom wadi
Epic
Kaye Vassey and James Baber
I guess its somewhere between the UE4 Python layer and Blender tho rather than inside the UE4 environment, so wondered if it would be included as a plugin for the engine or blender
pearl elk
It has to be open source if its a plugin for Blender aye
signal citrus
come back, I want to complain too
pearl elk
Im curious too tbh
signal citrus
bFloatProperty and FloatProperty cause python to kill itself
fathom wadi
if it gets us more features that we don't have to touch, im all for it. As long as I dont have to touch it.
broken sigil
I personally hate this embracing of python in ue4
I kinda do too
fathom wadi
the question is what other pipeline do you use between apps?
python is pretty well supported in that sense
pearl elk
Was there another option?
I mean I doubt Epic sat there like oh Allar will hate this "commit"
deep glen
im not so sure XD
pearl elk
If you want to fight the system you gotta be part of it ๐
Epics sitting there in the meeting like "people we have a massive problem..."
"we've exhausted the worlds supply of C++ programmers, solutions?"
fathom wadi
"we could offer validation for parking?"
deep glen
pearl elk
lol they aint my kids
fathom wadi
more importantly, if it's using wireless rf tech, then why the holy fuck haven't we been using it for the past 70 years?
pearl elk
because transistors sucked 70 years ago
fathom wadi
the system still worked though. It was in pacemakers n shit
pearl elk
fathom wadi
Tesla actually had the patent on this stuff in 1900
pearl elk
yeah but he wasnt the best of businessmen
AT&T was already a thing by 1900
It usually takes two, you need the hippie and the nerd
foggy path
everyone doing these high fps videos now after Linus
signal citrus
360hz or nothing
foggy path
...and everyone also missing the fairly interesting point from the LTT video that if you're used to 60 fps it actually doesn't affect you by a huge amount
or rather, 60 hz, not 60 fps
60 hz and high fps was more consistent I recall than 60 hz 60 fps
stiff crystal
they specifically proved that good players had advantage still on 60 v 144
foggy path
Man I must have been really frustrated last time I worked on this code...
(in reference to a certain library we use at work lol)
stiff crystal
also even if you can train to fight the lag, it's still soooo much nicer if you don't have to
foggy path
yeah definitely
usually when I buy upgrades to my PC it's because some shooter doesn't run at 144 fps lol
last time it was PUBG, I believe before that it was PlanetSide 2...
:P
stiff crystal
I couldn't play rocket league at 60 anymore :/
I actually tried
it just felt super lagged
foggy path
I noticed G-Sync somewhat helps with the feeling of lag
Low FPS with G-Sync on feels much less laggy than without
fluid bloom
trying to uv map stuff in blender
I want to break something, this is retarded
I have detached UV island and then I try to move one vertex of it
and apparently it moves the same vertex in other UV islands that share that said vertex
so it apparently wasn't detached
but it looks like it's detached
wtf
pearl elk
"its complicated"
winter zealot
usually when I unwrap stuff with blender I do that with seams, being in edge mode, ctrl+E, marking as seam some edges and then u to unwrap
when doing that, the uvs are actually detached
there's prolly some ways to detach them in your case too
to really detach them I mean
late night
blueprinting at work is hard for me because I only have a 60hz display there
winter zealot
btw @late night might I ask why are you hatin' python being implemented with UE4 ? python is implemented in almost every tool these days
is it the horrible syntax ?
late night
because I've become jaded and cynical
winter zealot
...
okay cool but people do awesome stuff with the horrible language tho
anyways
late night
yeah I think it is really impressive that some guy wrote a raytracer in excel
but that doesn't mean I'm gonna start using excel
winter zealot
there are lots of useful addons in python for every app
winter zealot
having said that, i'd love if stuff could use python as a wrapper but use native code underneath
late night
especially when you have a bizarre package dependency issue
winter zealot
yeah it must be horrible to work with python
late night
ive been using golang lately and I've been loving it
late night
golang has an interesting idea about type
foggy path
I tend to notice that a lot of "it's icky and bleh" problems tend to come from unfamiliarity and poor documentation for sort of "I just want to quickly jump in and do a simple thing"
when nothing makes sense and you have to crawl through a hundred pages of docs to figure it out... yeah it definitely can make things look icky and bleh :D
late night
aye I can appreciate a well written python framework but there is no way I'm going to be able to write one or even do things remotely proper
fluid bloom
my coworker is programming go atm and he doesn't really like it
winter zealot
imo,that's just my personal feelings here, but we know how types and languages should work : c++ with as less oop as possible ๐
late night
nah I wish C++ worked like golang
winter zealot
awesome ppl might disagree too and it's cool
winter zealot
yeah because dependencies are horrible with cpp, forgot that
foggy path
type systems should work like it works in Haskell :X
pearl elk
Actually Allar you always been that way ๐
foggy path
it just somehow requires you to program in a different way than most other languages I had used
late night
golang feels like nice haskell
winter zealot
what pains me with languages is how the wheel is reinvented for no reason at all times
foggy path
but once I broke through the "wtf" barrier in Haskell, it really started to make a lot of sense and I feel like I write better code in other languages thanks to it :P
fluid bloom
@late night go interfaces seem pretty much exactly like in any other language
winter zealot
like, some language has to declare functions like ***///function( yes : variable , yes : othervariable ) # code #;
it cannot just use brackets and syntax like c++ and c#
and it's so anoying
late night
there is no declaration that an object type implements an interface
foggy path
plus a b = a + b```this is how you declare functions in Haskell
I'm sure all the C style lang lovers will hate it
:D
winter zealot
sure no it's ok if haskell people love it ๐
foggy path
lol
spare glade
Wtf does that even mean lol
fluid bloom
sooo go's interfaces are basically duck typing? ๐
late night
compile time enforced duck typing
fluid bloom
oh, good ๐
late night
and also the entire golang stack is amazing
fluid bloom
structural typing then
pearl elk
Go's interfaces are actually interfaces not this UE4 C++ hackery
foggy path
(that function declaration creates a function that sums two Int numbers in case it was unclear)
late night
it is gofmt
late night
a program written in go that enforces your go code to be formatted a specific way
aye it isn't unique to go but
winter zealot
good point tho, precompiler stuff in c++ "" works "" but shows it's limits when trying to do something like UE4 with UFUNCTIONS() and all
late night
so much of golang is written with that attitude
pearl elk
Im just gonna plug custom UE4 compiler here
late night
like the fact that there is no debugger
because if you can't understand the code then the code is malformed
foggy path
wait go has no debugger?
winter zealot
or is it unrealbuild tool ( c# ) that isn't goodnough ? whereas precompiler stuff is good ? I don't know
rigid shoal
It's the Unreal Header Tool that is a little shit.
late night
theres no official golang debugger
foggy path
interesting
late night
there are some stuff that lets you do things but
its not 'official behavior'
or 'normal'
to use a debugger
late night
yeah I thought so at first
cursive crypt
I like c whatever, but I also like haskell @foggy path ๐
fluid bloom
how do they debug stuff then? Print variables out?
winter zealot
@rigid shoal anychance it could be improved ? it seems so hard to debug and understand ๐ฎ
late night
generally if you have runtime logic errors
they're really easy to spot and fix in golang
because you just read the code and it'll not make sense wherever the error is
fluid bloom
generally
rigid shoal
What part specifically about UHT?I know some people don't really like it, but for me, for the most part, it's is alright.
Sometimes the errors you get are evil.
late night
and the non-general time
its because you haven't fully learned that golang feature set /syntax yet
:p
fluid bloom
it just sounds like go can't be used to write complex stuff ๐
winter zealot
@rigid shoal before live++ it was taking lots of time to compile stuff, even with L++ it's still anoying ( or is it UBT ? )
late night
yeah, I don't write complex stuff in golang
because everything is easy
go microservices are just a stack of servers that do extremely basic things
fluid bloom
that complexity adds up
late night
but any one part of code is super simple
fluid bloom
debugging microservices is difficult as hell
rigid shoal
I'm pretty sure that's UHT, which does take some time that in 4.22 they said they reduced. But that part isn't the most time expensive.
late night
there are fancy automated tracers and stuff now that are pretty cool
can trace a request through the entire service stack
fluid bloom
like opentracing?
winter zealot
tho UE4 team kicked some serious ass with Live++ and the new blender to UE4 tools
fluid bloom
yeah we used jaeger on a rust project a while ago, it was nice
late night
zipkin proper, not the opentracing zipkin
foggy path
Did they make those new Blender tools available somewhere yet? I heard about it but didn't watch the stream
winter zealot
those tools are so awesome indeed
winter zealot
I hope they release them and opensource them too
fluid bloom
I don't know ๐
rust is pretty explicit about everything
except local var declarations
those can be inferred 99% of the time
winter zealot
maybe they did release them btw, checking it out
late night
for example you can choose to mark up your structs so inform how your structs are serialized under different protocols/formats
kinda neat
fluid bloom
what I like about rust is that if the program crashes it's your fault and opting in to do things the easy way out (as in disregarding errors)
and it's clearly visible in the source code where that happens
winter zealot
also, they don't want to release stuff prematurely
I guess
I have to say tho, I import all my models successfully with blender already, it's pretty easy to import anything once you fiddle with the parms
rigid shoal
UBT knowledge is very useful in some cases. I don't think you ever need to look into UHT.
stiff crystal
Tried Unity's new Burst version today with AVX support. Ran c# tire math using double precision floats 4 million times total. It took 605ms on single threaded c# they have on their old system.
With their jobsystem and burst and AVX2 same task took 6.9ms on my 3900x
cursive crypt
Hardware solves problems. Software follows.
stiff crystal
By limiting it to only 3 worker threads it still was only 29ms
But nice to see automatic scaling for these new cpu's
winter zealot
@rigid shoal okies, maybe I'll try to look more into UBT... not sure where to start so hopefully UBT is "" self documenting code "" ๐
rigid shoal
There's a docs page for UBT.
stiff crystal
Getting nice speed ups with their burst + jobs is nothing new but this is first time they actually support AVX and can therefore do SIMD for doubles four wide
winter zealot
@rigid shoal yeah i'm gonna read that indeed, tho it doesn't seems to talk about UBT code but how to use it, it's absolutely a good start
anyway sorry gtg, by ppls
zinc matrix
hi
Just watched it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvgVSSpwND8
I like what I see there. I may actually pick it up.
why
... not?
pearl elk
fry
zinc matrix
is there money or recognition at the end of your path
zinc matrix
not good
median wraith
Hey hey
rain steppe
People
zinc matrix
we are saved, Hev is here
median wraith
|o/
pearl elk
but I didnt see the save symbol
median wraith
๐ฑ
pearl elk
Nice night for a walk
median wraith
show us
pearl elk
wash day tomorrow, nothing clean right?
fathom wadi
I need your clothes, your boots, and your unicycle.
median wraith
Mons Connor
pearl elk
primal spoke
The Cable component in UE4 has a Bug so don't use it in your projects....Wasted 3 days...4.23.1
median wraith
what kind of bug ?
mossy nexus
the kind that eats cables I should think.
cursive crypt
Ants eat cables.
pearl elk
so do rats
cursive crypt
Squirrels too!
pearl elk
I suspect it might be Goblins tho
cursive crypt
Didn't knew. Never seen goblin theets
pearl elk
you wont see them but they are there, inside UE
cursive crypt
So... the UE cables have troubles with Goblins. Sounds like a quest to me.
signal citrus
gremlins
signal citrus
ehh not really funny though, feel bad for people stuck on the platform. not everyone of course but just all the horror stories
zinc matrix
@signal citrus what do you mean?
you feel sorry for unity users?
now that was rude, ew
signal citrus
the platform attracts people for its documentation over functionality
signal citrus
specifically all the people who regret it, and have had the licenses turned against them
zinc matrix
what licenses?
signal citrus
the agreements to agree to changes in the agreements like with that streaming service/partner
zinc matrix
i have no idea what youre talking about
streaming service? hows that related to making games in unity
signal citrus
bold fulcrum
the agreements to agree to changes in the agreements Did they really pull it off ?
carmine frigate
lol
signal citrus
you agree to changes in the agreements when you use the engine yea, and are locked to the platforms they choose
pay for dark theme
forever development
signal citrus
very old news yea
zinc matrix
could be because Unity is creating their own hosting solution for multiplayer games
or not
WHO KNOWS...
@signal citrus yea but im not improbable
and i only make games
why do you think that affects me
if they kicked a person who violated TOS then thats reason to use them even more?
signal citrus
i used unity for a 8 years and the further you go with it the more you are just in a constant battle with its poor api design for documentation purposes. Speaking only of programming side of the engine, but its bad and the rate that they ship change like new ui after new ui makes you put off things which only helps them get more sub money
Hard garbage collection where every thread you can run on haults while it collects is bad for gaming, and writing c# that emits no garbage is an art of caching and slow things just to not let things go to collection
signal citrus
actually they are much better in terms of garbage collection
bold fulcrum
How dare you criticize blueprints!
signal citrus
gabrage collection runs on the game thread but all your async workers and everything are not affected by it
signal citrus
C++ isn't as fun as C# for most people for sure, but its not about the developer's want always unless you've got them on subscription.
If you want performance and frame rate you don't go with C# unless you want to spend insane amounts of time implementing interfaces
zinc matrix
i certainly need to enjoy development process
signal citrus
and you still don't reach the level of performance for mathematics
You can enjoy C++ though
it takes a bit, like anything else
foggy path
What do you use then if you're here and yet hate both programming methods offered by UE? :D
signal citrus
something other than unity would be my advice lol
zinc matrix
@foggy path unity
signal citrus
for 2D you got lots of options
foggy path
tbh it's a bit weird seeing so much negative comments about it here and yet plenty of people seem to be doing just fine with it
zinc matrix
there are no other engines or libraries except ue4 and unity, but working in unity is more plesasant
signal citrus
People enjoy using it for sure
zinc matrix
(well they are but less efficient)
signal citrus
in what way?
foggy path
I've worked on some random small projects in Unity and I didn't find it offending, but I also do like working with Blueprints ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
signal citrus
i can't really think of engines that are less effcient than unity
in terms of the popular ones
mossy nexus
am sure a similar conversation is being held on a Unity server somewhere, about Unreal... ๐
bold fulcrum
Irrlicht was the most pleasant one.
zinc matrix
@signal citrus all of them?
signal citrus
for what its worth i took that gif meaning to be against unity users lol, since that show was kinda making fun of that person
foggy path
@mossy nexus probably :P
signal citrus
was saying its not funny the way they get treated
zinc matrix
LOL
signal citrus
just asking for a popular engine that you think is less efficient than unity
median wraith
Does this works with Unity ?
Its improbable
signal citrus
on what basis?
median wraith
You combine Godot and Cryengine and you get Source Engine 2
zinc matrix
rpgmaker and game maker are limited, can only do 2d and cant do networking
median wraith
pretty sure
well that isn't true
GameMaker Studio does networking
and can do 3D semi simulated
zinc matrix
but why not use engine that makes it easier
median wraith
you go rather to Unity tbh
zinc matrix
yes
median wraith
In gamemaker there is no solution even for UI
zinc matrix
anyway seems Unity lacks ideas or drive or funds to do anything else than their engine
and epic does it
unity should at least make games in its engine
signal citrus
if your saying a efficiency in terms of user interface yeah, unity makes things easy to prototype. it just does not deliver the performance to finish things beyond mobile without losing sanity
foggy path
Talking about inefficient none of the information online for how to make a skysphere in UE seems to actually work correctly
:P
signal citrus
ok yeah i'd agree with that, in terms of just putting things together unity does this. it just rarely executes so you end up with something you can't do much with which is what i was saying with being locked to the platform
bold fulcrum
Unreal emerged victorious from this verbal battle.
median wraith
I love the marketplace
there are 1:1 Overwatch levels
FPS kits with the COD music in the video
bold fulcrum
I wish they'd call it bazaar instead of marketplace.
median wraith
Will wait till they put some Crysis alike things and I can make Crysis 4
bold fulcrum
You have HevGi. You can make it nao.
bold fulcrum
how many lumens ?
signal citrus
verbal battle lol
zinc matrix
i saw a spider huge one in toilet
bold fulcrum
that would be all you need
zinc matrix
when i came he ran away
median wraith
lol
bold fulcrum
How did you explicitly determined that the spider was he ?
zinc matrix
I would run too #metoo
median wraith
XD
Let me check a thing
๐ค
I have a pack from market that edit the landscape ?
and was before the last engine changes
median wraith
da wat
bold fulcrum
spiders might not be fond of you either.
median wraith
@bold fulcrum is he, did you ever see spiderwoman ?
zinc matrix
he must be scared of my size but im scared of his grossiness
spidders have learned to cohabitate with human
its kinda sexy
bold fulcrum
@median wraith I am no expert in determining gender of a spider. I can count its legs at best.
median wraith
@bold fulcrum you have to do the Icles Test
bold fulcrum
What if I am a fire mage and I haven't trained Icicles ?
zinc matrix
what if im shy and havent trained my....
median wraith
Then you have to go for the stalagmites rather
zinc matrix
fist
median wraith
is based on fire
bold fulcrum
karol
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix i would get a heart attack too... hate spiders
zinc matrix
also the guy like stole his focus
hev, install adblock plus, should help
@zinc matrix WTF, i just saw that a bird died on that gif
was that a bird? thequality is low
the flying thing hitted by cat
zinc matrix
dang
fathom wadi
@median wraith really? Been in there since time began :p
stiff crystal
@fathom wadi not sure if it's been from start but they definitely added that raise/lower heights option to that node (or the whole node) only somewhere in the middle of ue4 lifecycle so far
if I had to guess, around 4.10 or so
fathom wadi
I was using landscape splines a while ago for sure. around the 4.12 time I guess
might have even been earlier tbh.
oh just checked my project file and it was 4.9
median wraith
yeah never know about such thing
back in the time I loved to design levels, as someone that have to make a whole game alone each day give more a shit about it and want procedural things
stiff crystal
"Add ability to deform a landscape using a given spline from blueprint "
I see they added that on 4.8
queen arrow
Hello I need help/advice with something in UE4
I came across Gameplay Modules; https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Programming/Modules/Gameplay/index.html
And I was wondering 2 things:
- Is this a type of module that I can create in a separate Unreal Project, add art asses (3d models for example), with gameplay functionalyt, exported it and use it in a different project?
- If so, is there a guide or a video to follow on how to do this from scratch? I can't find anything
zinc matrix
i wonder how likely is that ill get patrons?
foggy path
Depends on what you're offering I guess?
fathom wadi
I find sexual favours works. I mean, only for the top tier donators of course. Im not a whore :p
zinc matrix
what
rare sparrow
@median wraith Only problem is it doesn't work with the new Landscape Layer system
stiff crystal
is that a coin miner? :p
I mean, running random sketchy files from the internet is always good call
zinc matrix
oh no
rigid shoal
I vaguely heard that you should avoid Google drive/docs stuff because it can be used for doxxing.
fathom wadi
using google for anything risks doxxing. You can get all kinds of info from there
I countered it by putting my home address up there as a business address. Get in first :p
fathom wadi
This kind of saddens me. I mean, priorities people ๐
stiff crystal
who is/was Roger Waters?
stiff crystal
so uhm... how many members pink floyd fan club has?
fathom wadi
probably a few trillion
27million
ummm UFC just had a 9 second moment of silence for Kobe Bryant. Who the hell came up with that number?
the entire stadium is shouting Kobe though which is nice
pearl elk
9 seconds one for each passenger of the helicopter
fathom wadi
i see. thought it was to appease the sponsors.
pearl elk
yeah 9 seconds does seem alittle cheap, could have atleast gone to 30 seconds
tulip orbit
fathom wadi
I fkin knew it. Everytime I look at the moon I hear cats ยฌ_ยฌ
zinc matrix
That's trashcan Mao mutated after Corona T virus
fathom wadi
wouldn't that be Meao then?
Something that has always made me curious about the moon, is whether any of the superpowers who sent flights up put anything on the dark side of the moon. I mean, I would.
unborn lotus
Chinese did
pearl elk
They see me rollin, they hatin
https://puu.sh/F8ITF/337c374ed2.gif
zinc matrix
Hmm... anybody know how to set this up?
That's unity server. Their #unity-blog channel has this option.
foggy path
It's probably a partner feature
I've never seen it on anything but partnered discord servers
fathom wadi
I have that for Unreal news from Epic and this server. It goes to your server.
compact kettle
@stiff crystal seriously its a game
foggy path
Pascal? Been a while since I heard anyone doing anything with that... :D
compact kettle
yes, its really a great programming lang for beginners
pearl elk
end;end;end;pascal;end;
compact kettle
haha
pearl elk
you should try Lazarus for Pascal
compact kettle
yes iknow
try my game, world hardest game :p
trust me its just a game no viruses.
pearl elk
stiff crystal
Why should we trust stanger with highly suspicious exes on the internet? ๐
I still remember the last guy who tried to fish epic logins with his link here, tried to tell us it was some game wip screenshots ๐
never trust the living
compact kettle
pearl elk
oh no, videos of doom
compact kettle
you have windows 10 windows defender and the program can't do anything it won't even ask for admin
compact kettle
ye alright, i think i would do the same not trusting. here's the source code you can compile it online if you want.
static cosmos
anyone know a good place to find freelancers to make an actual game logo? Fiverr is flooded with cartoony twitch mascot logo designers and you can't filter them out
foggy path
@static cosmos Might be worth looking on graphics design communities like on reddit or forums or something, people post their work on those, and many of them would be happy to be paid for doing stuff :)
static cosmos
@foggy path Thanks, I'll check them out
I finally found someone on fiverr but they always get you with that "commercial" license. It's like, sure i can make you something for $20, but you can't do anything with it, and if you want to, I want an extra $100 for a license.
pearl elk
thats not really a bad thing cuz if you decide you dont like their logo they can use it elsewhere and you dont pay as much
is abit lame they dont default to handing the rights over for a commissioned piece though
static cosmos
It's just misleading when the commercial fee is several times the commission fee. I got a guy doing voice work for me, but he's only $5/200 words +$5 commercial fee, that's quite reasonable. I wasn't expecting that for a logo , but I'm going to dig around and see if I find something more reasonable.
pearl elk
I suppose youre lucky theyre not asking royalties since the logo is a pretty large part of a games persona
cursive crypt
Ask for royalties, makes free game ๐ง
pearl elk
hmm this game design I dusted off is 12yrs old
pearl elk
Im sure you can remember Unreals
stiff crystal
engine, yes
pearl elk
or Half-life
stiff crystal
I can remember fortnite logo but even that's pretty basic cartoony text
cursive crypt
Aah, yes. Now I remember too. But isn't that just lambda?
cursive crypt
Dunno, we are proof that logos are forgotten.
foggy path
I'm trying to think of memorable logos yeah... not a whole lot in games tbh
stiff crystal
many games I play, just write the title on same UI font somewhere ๐
pearl elk
I know what Assassins Creed logo is and I dont even particularly play the games
foggy path
You saw the logo on the box, the manual and main menu usually
stiff crystal
not sure of the logo but I do remember toss a coin to your witcher
pearl elk
what bout Skyrim, cmon guys
stiff crystal
skyrim had a logo?
pearl elk
yes its a dragon
stiff crystal
skyrim also had 100m budget
pearl elk
Im convinced none of you play games now ๐
stiff crystal
so they better have spent some on logo
pearl elk
okay how about Borderlands
foggy path
I can only think of games whose logotypes I remember, I can't really think of games that had logos as in sort of icons or anything
oh, counter-strike has that logo of the guy with the gun
that's about it..
cursive crypt
Think borderlands was something yellow and a gnome flying across.
cursive crypt
pfff
pearl elk
its the vault symbol and its used all through the game lol
cursive crypt
Well, considering that a logo won't be remembered anyway I see now no point to throw hundred of dollars to make it.