nice
#lounge
deep glen
pearl elk
looks like the Xbox specs might have leaked
Zen 2 Octocore
clocks seem like they could be low, it says 4.0ghz boost for single thread
pearl elk
I use to have a minigun and a flame thrower to burn my desktop
deep glen
I had that tiny sheep one
pearl elk
I still remember that sierra screen saver with the dude on the island, we used to sit and watch that to see what he'd do next
foggy path
Johnny Castaway
pearl elk
yeah they could probably update it with Tom Hanks now
fathom wadi
I dunno. I can't see many people getting a screensaver based on Philidelphia.
pearl elk
and the Award for Best Drama Screen Saver goes to
fathom wadi
Presenting the award, Michael Winslow !
pearl elk
Jeez havent seen that guy in awhile, watched Police Academy last month tho
Theres plenty of jokes in that they wouldnt get away with now lol
Mind you its still pretty tame vs a Carry On movie
fathom wadi
people say that about Blazing Saddles too but I dont believe it. I think comedy is comedy ๐
pearl elk
I suppose, somehow Ricky Gervais didnt seem to offend at the Golden Globes
When Chapelle does it though all hell breaks loose
fathom wadi
yeah I always find it odd that he can get away with calling people bad words on twitter too
ancient hornet
I remember those "snowglobe" type apps that would drop snow on your desktop that would collide with your windows
fathom wadi
Chapelle is the king.
its funny because in The Nutty Professor, eddie murphy says something like "he thinks he's the black Lenny Bruce" . But when you look at his stature in comedy now, he practically is. I would say more like a Carlin, but considering the anti-censorship bit he pushes in most of his specials too, hes got some activism in him
pearl elk
I thought Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder made a great duo, shame they didnt do more
Harlem Nights is pretty underrated tbh
fathom wadi
Stir Crazy was always one of my faves.
pearl elk
I always loved Young Frakenstein, so many great comedians, even Gene Hackman is hilarious
fathom wadi
It's FRANKEN STEEN
pearl elk
Is it also pronounced Froderick
fathom wadi
hah when gene hackman sets his thumb on fire and as he's running around and runs outside he's like "let us pray". Classic
pearl elk
but wait I was gonna make espresso
fathom wadi
I still say "too late" when I hear the phrase "damn your eyes"
There was a true talent also. Madeline Khan. Never been anyone quite like her
fathom wadi
I need to go back and have a rewatch of all those movies. It's been a while.
fathom wadi
I remember one time a friend of mine put Blazing Saddles on in a room full of student left wing persuasions, and they completely didn't get it. The room was silent except for me and my mate laughing our tits off and quoting lines.
That must have been around 2003/4 perhaps. So it was like a sign things were changing that way back then even. Still, we explained why they didnt get it, then they got it
pearl elk
Dont forget lots of them would have grown on up adult cartoons which have an entirely different type of humour, its more about shock value than subtleties
fathom wadi
yeah the death bell of vaudville rings short. But then I love modern comedy too. Not for the shock comedians, but a really well constructed set, like Chappelle always does. A beginning, middle and end with such misdirection, that you settle into it when you get slammed with the punchline and you realise you were duped ๐
pearl elk
I like the show Sex Education, thats pretty hilarious and theres Detour which is just spun out lol
I really like Gillian Anderson in that though, I dunno how she keeps a straight face and the head master, poor guy lol
median wraith
"years of evolution to end taking photos to salads, they worry more about food than with what kind of person have relationships"
well TV ads each day are better lol
cursive crypt
Salad is important.
bold fulcrum
worst by which criteria ?
median wraith
by the location himself
that have real bad conditions or overall is real bad
talking about natural place or something
I have the theory the worst people is on the best colorful places
ebon onyx
โWeโre still mad we donโt have the rights to DOTAโ
median wraith
Lets see if in the worst places is the best people
cursive crypt
Checkout youtube or whatever. For example volcanoes are low habitats.
pearl elk
yes well Facebook tried that legal mumbo jumbo with peoples photos and look what happened, 500mil later
median wraith
@cursive crypt well thats so extreme, talking about some location with common life population xd
cursive crypt
Really browse around. There is enough to be inspired from.
You might look at poverty, war zones, cartels and etc.
pearl elk
I really feel like that license wouldnt hold up because its too overreaching and one sided
median wraith
xD
that examples
isn't what I mean
thats human issues
I'm talking about natural no ideal locations
fluid bloom
gah, steam is down
fathom wadi
then that makes it condensation
pearl elk
just turn the valve
zinc matrix
Yeah, but at that time it was mass exodus @inner cloud
lone ferry
๐ค ๐
signal citrus
Btw @pearl elk , went to sleep. Reason for a majority of scripting languages isnโt for programmer utility
Itโs not like c++ isnโt something brainy people invented as well
But something like erlang for example is set up to restore itself in case of complete failure. JavaScript is something that allows a sandbox of security. Java is cross platform. C# sucks in general etc. many reasons.
median wraith
the 10โฌ off Epic xmas coupon still there by the 2020 xmas will have another 10โฌ off that means gill get games for free
and epic will pay me
๐ค
zinc matrix
it's the perfect scam, saving coupons >:D
median wraith
xD
zinc matrix
C# does.not suck.@signal citrus
median wraith
@lone ferry by the way someone posted a bug at 4.24 or something, that when paint a bit the landscape the engine recompiles 500.000 shaders, so much fun :p
zinc matrix
Java does
signal citrus
I used it exclusively for 8 years and only hate it more
foggy path
Erlang doesn't really restore itself in case of failure... it just makes it easier to write code that is robust in case of failure :)
signal citrus
it's grind of deep explaination of what something is and boxing is so overthought that the amount of code that does things is minimal and slow
but that is an opinion. and its also me trying to use unity, so these things together don't work in general.
Its actually the reason erlang was invented zomg
cellphone towers run erlang
zinc matrix
honestly java doesn't either, unless you're talking about java from like 8 years ago
foggy path
Yeah I know but the language itself doesn't have some magic that makes that happen
signal citrus
second life runs erlang
foggy path
It has some features and constructs that allows you to write fault-tolerant code more easily, but you do have to make an effort to do so
signal citrus
yea though erlang doesn't ever allow itself to fatal
lone ferry
@median wraith My biggest scene is 10k, 500 000 ...sounds like a Halloween joke ๐
median wraith
indeed it is haha
signal citrus
java and c# both have this thing with exceptions where they look at eachother for validation on the use of them
its not bad, but its different.
lone ferry
Let's scare the geeks!
foggy path
Erlang has this idea of "supervisors" and "workers" which is one of the key points for building robust code in it
median wraith
later will search for the tweet about the bug, have to go the street to see the sun light
foggy path
basically you have a supervisor which starts some workers, and it can also monitor said workers in case they fail
the supervisors can also be in a tree structure, so a supervisor spins up a supervisor, which spins up some workers
and this can all be set up in such a way that for example a failing worker is caught by a supervisor, which does something to correct, and relaunches the failed worker
lone ferry
You have to go outside... oh..
zinc matrix
@hev bananas grow on street in Spain?
we'll pray for you, return to the safety of the darkness soon
median wraith
Scary task but I have to do it in order to make a better world @lone ferry
@zinc matrix Not mine
the bananas here are from a island way far away
Canarias
idk if here are more bananas on this area tbh
bold fulcrum
That "r" looked like "b" to me. I need to take few days off.
lone ferry
@median wraith Something to think about ๐
median wraith
lol
Well I will risk living at the limit
The people himself from here scary me more, than the virus
signal citrus
yeah zomg, thats more or less what i mean, I don't think the idea was to make a better way to enter text or less text etc. the original conversation was just about introducing another scripting language to ue4.
signal citrus
everyone likes the way erlang works, few enjoy erlang.
foggy path
In addition to just being robust it makes it pretty easy to write multithreaded code using GenServers or such
lol yeah, that's why I use Elixir and not raw Erlang
median wraith
But to point on that... I still introvert when go the street sooo, virus can't talk to me @lone ferry
I have some barrier that only older than 60 years people talk to me here
these don't have virus
median wraith
how dare you
zinc matrix
the virus lays dormant for up to 12 days, those old people could be loaded with virus and you don't know
lone ferry
Can you imagine a world where only introverts are left, the humanity is doomed! ๐
zinc matrix
the world would also become much more efficient though ๐ค
lone ferry
True!
median wraith
introverts gave me better conversations than extroverts tbh
lone ferry
But you have to meet first, and that is the problem ๐
median wraith
a lot of extroverts are too busy the whole day trying to be something that they arent and that burn them out
yeah thats true haaha
some times feel like trying to pull words from the other out
lone ferry
Humans would stop meeting and reproduce!? ๐ค
median wraith
they already stop meeting
about reproduce mmm the fact is the people each day choose whatever they can or want
zinc matrix
nah we would just meet over the internet, our house is both introverts (we both spend hobby time away from each other lol)
median wraith
my last year meeting on these "designed areas for it" was real bad, to proper reply could say, there is a huge amount percentage of no no people or non working system
lone ferry
Yeah, the need for privacy and doing things alone, it's nice to know some people understand that!
median wraith
but what valk said is true
lone ferry
Yeah, like organized meetings end up very noisy, at least for me ๐
median wraith
well on my cause was from people I meet on these apps, and when you meet then in person well (can't say on the very first instance you could detect some things) but my incompetence back in the time was bigger than myself
as resume, people tend to see others faults or their missing things on people close or their life, but there is a lot of people that never check themselves if what they do is what is causing that situation.... probably is the better description I could give about my exps
lone ferry
If u mean like dating apps, people there are very easy going. Most of the people on these apps want to meet up quickly without chatting that much. At least my experience. ๐
median wraith
yeah that happen too (some people told me even terror histories), wasn't my case, here was more absurd than that haha (will tell you later if you want)
But was something alike but with lies
bold fulcrum
Can you actually import a list of blocked users from another discord user ?
bold fulcrum
Can neither deny nor confirm, but.. lets say I have a contact, who is capable of blocking people even before they shitpost, unmistakably anticipating all future events and is ready to sync the list for modest remuneration.
cursive crypt
Interesting. Public blocklist.
signal citrus
I've heard of games with built in steam id blocks
median wraith
Not sure about that death, I had some spammer
signal citrus
where one can look at the memory to find the blocked people and rant on youtube about it.
i imagine keeping that information non-public is ideal
lone ferry
@median wraith Hehe! You know there is a horror book by Jo Nesbo, The turst. It's about a killer who finds his victims through Tinder, bites them with iron teeth and drinks their blood! It can always be worse, right? ๐
neon iris
Thatโs technically against steam policy ๐
Unless youโre talking about that game
signal citrus
Yeah, it certainly is to anyone that reads it normally :D
lone ferry
It's a good book, btw!
signal citrus
yeah that game
spice widget
an inspiration for all to follow
bold fulcrum
ah, that one. Makes sense.
median wraith
Oh lol didn't know about such thing, well I have to check that xD
Yeah this want that worst but haha @lone ferry
neon iris
That game that does the shitty things with peopleโs money
signal citrus
mmhmm
hardy yacht
which game?
neon iris
Day of dragons
hardy yacht
never heard of it
signal citrus
maybe
neon iris
Good
signal citrus
haha yeah
neon iris
Itโs a good example of what not to do though
signal citrus
anyone critical of your game? Ban
hardy yacht
oh, they're doing this kind of nasty things...
bold fulcrum
One way to manage community heh.
hardy yacht
when you can't accept criticism maybe it's better you don't create and sell products of any sorts
signal citrus
Have an idea or suggestion? We thought of that deeply before you suggested it and no.
neon iris
Send your fans after your enemy ๐
median wraith
Well that looks bad high
hardy yacht
on the other hand, me as a simple man, if anyone talks crap about my work, i punch him in his throat =))
median wraith
Dafuk lol
neon iris
Thatโs not a good response either ๐
signal citrus
they have a multipage statement of how youtube users aren't allowed to speak negatively on things because of the law
neon iris
What law you may ask? None ๐
spice widget
he has become they, a higher plane of existence. anyone who can release game on steam has become god, and their will is law.
bold fulcrum
if anyone talks crap about my work, i punch him in his throat =)) Yeah, but when amount of ones, who talk crap about your work, reaches certain threshold, you will just not have enough energy to punch everyone personally, and will have to outsource throat-punchers, which would incur additional expenses.
signal citrus
defamation laws
if you ever see
Text like this, because reasons
your likely reading something prepared lol
atomic barn
Wow, put more work into that document than the actual game
from what I understand it's a pure asset flip
bold fulcrum
Bold, underlined text is surely more convincing.
They forgot italic probably, but oh well.
neon iris
Too many buttons to italicize
signal citrus
yeah, i mean the summary does a good job of preparing you for nothing that follows it
hardy yacht
such a long response
median wraith
@signal citrus actually I have watch a video about that 2h ago
signal citrus
"Imagine a tree in a forest with apples on it. We're not trees nor apples."
spice widget
so to make good game you need defamation law document writer ?
bold fulcrum
Would appreciate, if someone literate could TLDR that one to me though.
hardy yacht
and structured so it makes it hard to read
neon iris
Iโm convinced people donโt know what defamation mean
signal citrus
deathrey its more or less, "we get stuff said about us and we don't like it. we banned people but never broke the rules as per our understanding of them, we make no mistakes but we don't want you to be mad"
bold fulcrum
So, we good, we did not. Them did it. Them bad.
neon iris
Yes
signal citrus
yeah death, then just like a response to every youtube claim that fits the narrative
neon iris
Donโt worry about your money. Keep buying
median wraith
A video about a guy that moved to some Nordic place from Barcelona, as there is near impossible to talk or give your opinion anymore
Don't think the people ever learn from history
bold fulcrum
Svalbard is best place to give out opinions and talk.
signal citrus
can i ask? ah its an archipelago between mainland Norway and the North Pole ๐
bold fulcrum
( โข_โข)ฯ@median wraith So, you started the thing with the worst place, but never mentioned, what is on yours top list ?
median wraith
Didn't made the list lol
I'm on street right now
Well this one is better
@bold fulcrum about good top places could list this ones near I live at but
hazy delta
๐
tawny herald
ight guys i am buying a PS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvzV77W9Hx4
hardy yacht
@tawny herald this year we get ps5
tawny herald
@hardy yacht next year my dude 2021 and i dont thing you understood why i said that
median wraith
Pretty cool
north torrent
I'm going to buy pancakes.
median wraith
you know the good things
azure chasm
This year we get the switch pro plus S
It won't play games tho, just have like 3 cameras
north torrent
Everyone needs more cameras in their lives.
lofty trout
broken sigil
tulip orbit
zinc matrix
Blender, ewww...
sage ermine
These days I find Blender to be much faster and smoother than 3ds max...
zinc matrix
3dsmax, eww..........
sage ermine
Though I did invent my ship modelling workflow in 3ds max initially
Not all of us can afford MS 3d paint offline
sage ermine
yah me too, guess their site down atm
zinc matrix
Usual level of support from Blender...
alpine fern
I have never seen the blender site not working before
mild root
yeah, me too
zinc matrix
That's what happens when nobody uses something. It's gone, forever...
๐
I though that maybe my VPN blocks it.
mild root
doubtful, lloks like it is down
sage ermine
I think it's your personality blocking it
zinc matrix
rigid shoal
fuuuuuuu
sage ermine
don't google roast masters
no
I mean
don't youtube search roastmasters
lots of really bad people
funny funny bad people
don't do it
I forbid you
rigid shoal
You can download Blender from Steam.
fathom wadi
I did but I wouldn't necessarily advise it. Unless you want to have to traverse the 90 folders of steam everytime you want a plugin
also, who the fuck would DDoS Blender for christ's sake.... it's like punching Ghandi in the face.
zinc matrix
Autodesk
fathom wadi
They are busy DDoS'ing themselves through subscription prices :p
foggy path
I've been laughing at some of the comments here regarding Unity's nonsense with their seemingly random feature stuff etc.
but I was talking with someone who's developing on Unity... and they actually said they should learn some feature of Unity, but Unity might abandon the feature, and using C# instead will always work... oh dear :D
stiff crystal
you can just install it via steam and copy to where ever you want it
or symlink it
or just make shortcut to the install folder :p
fathom wadi
this is true. I actually opted to put the addons folder on my start menu. I kind of knew I would be using it fairly often
ok this is the best thing I heard all day so im sharing it here.
Aphex Twin was asked about doing music for advertisements and he said "yeah they ask me a lot so I just do them. But I've done loads of them and they never use them because they can't get their head around what I've done. Once they said something was wrong with the DAT and they sent it back to the company 4 times and in the end, they realised that was what it was supposed to sound like".
zinc matrix
Im looking at investing in the substance suite for my level it ends up being 20 USD a month, I do architectural visualization as a hobby, and trying to improve my skills -- I model in blender and will mostly be outputting in UE4 -- is it worth my investment?
north torrent
You could always use Substance for a few months and make the materials you need and then cancel your subscription when you are working on other stuff.
zinc matrix
True -- I dont mind paying for it if its as good as it looks on the website, Materials are one area where my projects fall down
north torrent
I find the tools very helpful.
zinc matrix
Ok, cool
north torrent
I always hated doing textures back in the day, but now that I can do procedural stuff like Substance Designer it is a lot more fun and no longer my weakest point.
I remember back in the day when we were hand painting stuff in Photoshop... Which is still viable if you want a painterly looking asset, but not ideal for what I work on.
zinc matrix
Ya, Ive fooled with that a TINY bit in gimp -- seems to me like a lot of work, for not really all that good returns
mild root
in the past there was an option to do one time purchase of substance software, so I did. the difference from subscription is you get 1 year of support and updates, and you don't get access to substance source (allegorithmic database of ready to use materials). if you need substance more for production rather than developing texture/material art skills, you probably want to pick subscription and save time, although there is substance share site with free materials (lot of them are pretty good). If you need substance more for training, one time purchase is enough.
Also substance painter is shipped with a solid set of textures, noises, patterns, brushes and materials.
north torrent
They stopped perpetual licenses in November.
spark wharf
Oh my gooooooooooooooooooddddd, I finally fixed this problem I've been having for 2 days.
alllllll because I childed the mesh to a billboard, and I was trying to reattach the mesh to a parent, and it wouldn't work
After I enabled physics, it detached from it's own parent inside the actor GGGGG
It was stressing me out so badly I had to look away for so long jeeeeese. It was this simple
wellp, time to go jump into a lake
mild root
They stopped perpetual licenses in November.
adobe at its best.
sage ermine
^
signal citrus
How you doing with the stuff over there @north torrent
north torrent
I'm currently in Arizona.
Still waiting to hear what is going to happen with my job.
zinc matrix
Where is Trashcan Mao?
north torrent
Probably at the fish market.
He stopped coming by the school when he found better food.
north torrent
It hadn't even started when I left.
I don't live in Wuhan, people in Shenzhen are still free to come and go.
zinc matrix
Well, now we now who patient zero in US is ๐
north torrent
I've never been to Wuhan.
I'm going to go buy beer and cheesburgers since I can't just have it delivered like in China.
signal citrus
you can
north torrent
I have to use one of those car things, with the four wheels and the vroom vroom sounds.
signal citrus
north torrent
Not for a reasonable price...
north torrent
In China it is like 40 cents to get it delivered. Those guys probably get paid shit.
zinc matrix
It's free in Poland. If you are in like 15-20 Km range.
north torrent
$10 meal, $8 delivery... I think I'll pass...
signal citrus
make it a 80 dollar meal
north torrent
I don't know if I have a job to return to, so I probably shouldn't go too overboard...
signal citrus
er true
pearl elk
So why do scripting languages exist again if not for programmers?
You should actually try to have a point when you counter
- Okay so you know how C++ isnt the same on every platform, yes well writing in a scripting language on a VM allows a programmer to ignore platform specifics.
- Scripts are great for automation, you can write a script you can call it any many times as you like at runtime without compilation. You might not even have access to source but its still useful regardless.
- Scripting languages are fully aware of the classes and functions in a compiled environment, they dont need special IDEs to perform autocomplete etc as that information is already fully accessible. You precompile C++ to have this functionality most of the time.
cursive crypt
I'm warming up the noodles from the other day ๐
pearl elk
- Scripting languages are so useful infact that Visual Studio and Unreal Engine use them for configuration and compilation of code. Even precious C++ </mic>
pearl elk
Not against them so much as saying they arnt good for anything if you know something like C++.
foggy path
That must be why C++ is so popular unlike all the scripting languages ๐ค
finite lark
#doubt
pearl elk
Im not sure popularity relates to usefulness, Trump got elected
finite lark
take a look @ python
zinc matrix
I use Powershell all the time. But it's because it so easily integrates with C#. Expanding it is so easy.
pearl elk
Java, Python, PHP and Javascript are typically in the top 10 every year
foggy path
I think it's the enterprise baggage :D
pearl elk
Im not saying C++ isnt useful you see, I know it has its uses especially when it comes to creating fast code but its not always the best option for everything.
foggy path
and possibly the fact that it has a fairly massive variety of libraries and things it can integrate with, some of which don't necessarily exist in particularly good form in other langs
zinc matrix
@finite lark that will explain you => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDFQ_IhnDc
It's old, so not actual anymore, but back then it was.
pearl elk
All Ive been saying is scripting languages have uses even to expert level programmers, that shaming scripting as somehow lesser form of programming is wrong because expert level programmers write scripting languages not just for other people but themselves.
foggy path
lol what is that video
fathom wadi
I always liked PHP. It feels like a satisfactory scripting language to me. Like Actionscript 3.0. There is enough detail in the core structure to make it align with other languages, but with a bit of leeway and its usually faster to do the task at hand.
one thing that can be a pain though is when the features in your VM aren't accessible, so debugging gets harder. Like with AS3.0, it didn't have a garbage collection, so it left things hanging around all the time. It required a custom GC that was ripped from Flex and modified to purpose to even make object lifetimes accessible
signal citrus
All I was referring to was runtime code
pearl elk
Well in specific to UE4 I have heaps of issue debugging compiler errors cuz they are so vague
fathom wadi
indeed. Theres a load of stuff in UE4 low level debugging that I would simply have to learn outright too. Rather than it be handled for me. But I like that. It forces you to think. When I went from scripting to C++, it felt liberating tbh
It always astounds me that Python took on the form it did. I get people want quick access to internal features, but the code always looks like it's shorthand to me. Lack of braces always triggers me too
pearl elk
Honestly I dont even need alot of the features of C++ which is why Im happy to stick within the scripting environment, its overkill and only complicates things
fathom wadi
I've never written a TCommand. Which bugs me now.
zinc matrix
Complicates things in UE4?
fathom wadi
no more so than unrealscript used to if you ask me
maybe a couple of years we can get https://dascript.org/ involved
cursive crypt
Original.
daFuq
... also Java (specially), C#/.net, Go likely are sponsored languages ๐ฐ
pearl elk
Sponsored like a huge amount of people pimping your language in public channels every chance they get?
if so C++ has the largest sponsorship on the planet, its bigger than GoPro
signal citrus
pearl elk
Java is still largely used for banks
But I guess we're all using bitcoin just to avoid scripting languages ๐
signal citrus
You really think ue4 needs another scripting language though?
pearl elk
Nope, I just dont think C++ is a replacement for any scripting language
signal citrus
Well when I said C++ can do everything it was in response to someone saying you canโt do everything with c++ in ie4
fathom wadi
Well its Unreal C++ so its practically a scripting language anyway
pearl elk
Ive been pretty vocal how I feel about BP and how I think it could be improved upon to reduce the reliance on C++
fathom wadi
I say make it less accessible. Make Gamesdev Great Again.
pearl elk
Considering UE4 is compiled using scripting languages I have to agree with em, you cant do the live coding in UE4 using pure C++
fathom wadi
well there is no need to use the C# for compilation tho right?
pearl elk
thats my biggest beef though is that the compilation is a mess. Im not sure why anyone would think C++ couldnt do something, not even sure why that would warrant a response
signal citrus
Conversation got pushed to lounge
fathom wadi
I stay away from packaging and things usually. I'd do it if I had to, but it seems like an extra layer of shit after the previous layers you had to wade through to get the product finished
signal citrus
So maybe you thought I was saying some random bad stuff about scripting lol
fathom wadi
"PHP is a nonce"
pearl elk
No actually I took what you said as you said it
It wasnt random bad stuff about scripting, your tone was that scripting languages are lesser and therefore redundant when you know C++. All I did was strongly disagree ๐
fathom wadi
kind of agree to a point. I wouldn't replace C++ for mono in UE4 at any point. Nor add javascript or python unless I had to
signal citrus
When it comes to runtime I have a short allowance for my comfort in coding when it comes to penalties in things I can do in the same frame
Didnโt mean to make it sound like scripting had no place
But another scripting language in ue4 is pointless imo
fathom wadi
I agree. The thing is bloated as it is
pearl elk
Yeah I can agree we dont need more scripting languages and I did disagree with the "just add it as a plugin" mentality because theres no point to a better scripting language unless its fully integrated
In my eyes BP can be upgraded, we have Python support for pipelining so thats fine as is
fathom wadi
perhaps a new layer of plugin level would suffice for such things. Rather than it be on top of the modular setup, something more "pre-directive" on the current layer
a low level subsystem with priority in core alteration or something
pearl elk
Personally I want something more of an ubergraph, I want to see how classes interact with each other
fathom wadi
I want that for event models
pearl elk
Then I can have an overview of an entire system Ive designed at once and look for issues
fathom wadi
Nothing pains me more than having to search forever for a delegate when we could have it all charted out at compilation time
those Util classes that are all over the place usually have them, but then you need to know they exist too
pearl elk
Epic love splitting BPs into tiny little chunks like with the BT implementation, that is so difficult to work with because of all the small pieces interacting
Delegates are a type, it should be easy to make a widget to list them all
fathom wadi
I did notice that when you go full event model with UE4, it starts getting hard to keep track of logic. I've literally had to debug and record the steps on video so I can go back and save time, just to follow the logic I wrote through events ๐ It could be charted, but im not doing it. Busy :p
yeah I wanted more info, but I guess I could write something to do it if its a type I can iterate out
pearl elk
Im doing an upgrade on the Class Viewer so I can look into it at some point too
fathom wadi
the one that works as a slate widget?
or am I thinking of class picker. I dunno its been a while
pearl elk
Its a tab under developer tools, Id forgotten it was even there ๐
but its so barebones its barely useful. Im gonna upgrade it turn it into something better
fathom wadi
ahh yeah I think thats the class picker too in slate. It has two modes. One goes out as that list, the other is more for detail panels I think
I was gonna use it to list some custom classes once, but I ended up using a combo box with fstring entries
pearl elk
Yeah Im not gonna mod the original, Im gonna copy it into a new plugin and rename it
fathom wadi
it would be nice if it had a couple more options. Not sure what really. Perhaps a filter for subclasses directly in the search instead of at design time
pearl elk
Bring it abit more inline with the Content Browser
I wanna gonna do an interface hierarchy to show which classes implement which interfaces
fathom wadi
Classes that have not been loaded will not appear in the combo box. Dropping a class into the combo box will force load the class. that could be an option. Load All Classes from ... <class to extend from>
My most recent endeavour was Conditional Breakpoints for blueprints. I can do it, but I got sidetracked when I got a bit stuck with the context menu hook. P@t gave me a heads up on the new menu system but I had to get some other things done. So I can't wait to get back to that.
its been too long without them when its so simple to implement really
you know if a regex search works in the Class Viewer? Because that would be pretty cool
pearl elk
Regex will work for the title only probably which isnt overly useful
All the information about the classes is readily available though since its all been compiled, well unless you have an open BP you didnt compile or theres an error
but I could display that status on the list too with some sort of warning or error
The idea is to make a more advanced filter so you could say all classes which have a reference to this class. All classes which implement this delegate etc
also there is a thunderstorm thats why I might not reply straight away atm, satellite keeps dropping ๐
fathom wadi
yeah that sounds really cool
pearl elk
We'll see how it goes, it might sound more useful than it really is
fluid bloom
tough sierra
Does ue4 have some simple way to do this? That'd be really awesome.
Cause sometimes you can't predict the assets a game would use.
Especially if you wish to support mods.
fluid bloom
mods are supposed to use the same editor you use
tough sierra
And this'd make it easier to create instances of meshes based on FName.
tough sierra
Not tried that.
Sounds painful for multiplayer but just guessing no clue.
Editing xml, json and txt files should be enough for mods for some games.
pearl elk
UE4 wasnt really designed for runtime editing, thats why youre not allowed to distribute editor code with a game project
tough sierra
That makes development harder though.
pearl elk
Its to stop a certain type of development, one that steps on Epics business model
tough sierra
What modding pre existing games/editors built with the engine which can't be slapped with royalty?
pearl elk
yeah exactly
tough sierra
Money always complicates things >.<
pearl elk
The UE4 is supported by those royalties if you undercut Epic youre not helping anyone in the community at all
fluid bloom
but back to the original question: You need to use said plugin to do runtime importing
pearl elk
Imagine for a minute that a company like EA did it, something like could have a huge impact. Its not just to stop garage indie types
fluid bloom
no way to do it in stock engine
tough sierra
Would be nice to just load all meshes from a folder into a codex/assat manager of sorts that lets you create new copies of meshes by name alone.
fluid bloom
that should be doable, just need to program it ๐
tough sierra
I'll have to try out he plugin then.
Hopefully it'll package alright.
RTS games can thrive off being moddable.
pearl elk
There is nothing stopping the game from being moddable though, just cuz its not moddable at runtime isnt really a factor
tough sierra
Loading new assets.
pearl elk
I got into dev through modding and none of the games Ive modded in all those years had any sort of runtime modding, it was all precompiled, packaged
tough sierra
Packaged makes sense but you can't give anyone the ability to package new meshes out of the box. Having it done neatlly would be nice.
pearl elk
yes you can, just link them to UE4
the import pipeline is one of the easiest bits of the engine to use
tough sierra
What about having people stream mods before a multiplayer session? So one can just install packages and enable/disable them.
pearl elk
yeah UE been doing that since the first version
you'd want to be careful allowing clients to push to the server though
your game will be hacked faster than you can say
cheetos
tough sierra
There a guide or example for this?
pearl elk
Every UT game does it
carmine frigate
hey is there a way to mirror vertex data?
tough sierra
I don't have money to spare on testing out a paid title.
carmine frigate
on a mesh with symmetry
pearl elk
UT4 is free through the Launcher @tough sierra
tough sierra
That could be an interesting starting place.
Ah ok it's just adding and replacing plugins.
Didn't realize content plugins could be so modular.
Still there a way to create a static mesh based purely on it's name? I need to be able to manage a custom game object system that should be able to load mesh data without any knowledge of ue4 on the front end. So using a custom FName seems ideal.
pearl elk
asset names are unique
pearl elk
you'll need the full path but yeah, its unique. Short path just the name with no directories isnt always unique
umm I think the whole point of third party is to make things easier so you dont have to reinvent the wheel
tough sierra
I'm in the process of breaking out of ue4's setup however.
It's getting in the way.
Avoiding UObject and all that as much as possible.
Only thing I need the engine for is to load assets, and to render things where I tell it to.
pearl elk
there isnt much reason to avoid UObject
tough sierra
Unless you want really high object counts.
pearl elk
All youre going to do is cause memory leaks ๐
tough sierra
That and the fact it's slow to work with.
fathom wadi
I probably caused a few mem leaks with Uobjects anyway :p
tough sierra
I'll probably need one UObject specifically for handling an array of static meshes.
Which are used to make copies from
pearl elk
you should just use a different renderer
theres no point to using UE4 unless youre actually going to use it
tough sierra
It does have a nice level editor though and supposedly the best renderer, there's no hassle in importing a wide range of textures.
tough sierra
Hmm maybe I should just stick to a plain renderer engine, also thank you not seen this one yet.
pearl elk
textures are uobjects, dont want to use those
tough sierra
I've tried openFrameworks but it doesn't do shadows by default and is missing a lot of polish, a lot of the ones i've found seem pretty old and got the impression they couldn't compare.
pearl elk
The point to using a third party engine is that you work within the bounds of that API to achieve what you want to. Rewriting large portions just seems counter productive
tough sierra
The API that UE4 has by default is awesome for typical FPS games or ones which aren't super modular/open world.
That and getting an RTS to work.
One which can handle 10k+ moving units at a time.
pearl elk
Its not perfect but I think youre just reading what other people of saying instead of actually investigating yourself
tough sierra
That's at least partially true.
fathom wadi
that filament looks pretty cool
pearl elk
I dont know many engines which can do 10k moving units tbh
tough sierra
My physics engine does that fine in 2D at 60 ticks a second.
pearl elk
Ive seen demos of little dots and whatnot but not actual units, significant meshes
tough sierra
Isn't fancy though.
Animations would be a bitch but am considering just using still frames instead of real 3D animations.
fathom wadi
10k moving units isn't 10k items tho. theres obviously instancing in there so wouldn't setup be the key?
pearl elk
10k units would be insane to manage for a human too
tough sierra
1k per player isn't too bad, and hell total war uses a lot of tricks, if one were to go the rout of an MMO rts that would require very custom parts.
pearl elk
1K per player is easily possible with UE4 with no modifications or optimisations
fathom wadi
theres some nice sounding tools with anim sharing and crowds in UE4 that I haven't taken much of a look at, but upon first read sounded great
pearl elk
You should run some tests
tough sierra
That's exactly the issue yes.
Getting past 64 moving characters even with the AI running once per second (randomly between rather to avoid spikes) is pushing the cpu.
Even moving AActors seem to have a limit.
pearl elk
youre doing it wrong though
RTS games dont work the way an FPS does you said it yourself
tough sierra
Correct.
pearl elk
it sounds like youre code is bad and youre blaming UE4
tough sierra
I don't really need a full blown 3D engine, or path finding.
pearl elk
what you doing trying to setlocation on tick I bet
tough sierra
Err their navmesh at least.
fathom wadi
the navmesh is getting rebooted tho so thats cool
tough sierra
Na it was setVelocity but i probably could have done a lot better.
pearl elk
navmesh is actually really fast
tough sierra
I'm not trying to blame the engine but it's also a little discouraging to see that having a couple hundred moving AActors (not manually) in a box wasn't performing ideally. They were spaced apart and all but I can't easily predict the limitations of the engine. That can be problematic. If it were scoped down to a couple hundred units total sure it's fine but I don't feel like spending potentially months trying to work it out is all.
Sorry I shouldn't come here to bitch >.<
pearl elk
Nah its fine youre obviously having issues being new to the engine, it can be hard to take it all in
solid aurora
it's just not possible withing default framework to have hundreds of simulaed actors at onces
you have to implement custom simulation code
tough sierra
That was the assumption yes.
solid aurora
at the you will be limited by transform system in unreal
tough sierra
I want to push it into the thousands though.
pearl elk
Ive written code with 10K+ moving meshes for projectiles
solid aurora
which is just bad
pearl elk
its entirely possible within the default framework
fathom wadi
I would have thought with the right pooling of objects and buffering/interpolation of location changes according to input, it should be fine if its optimised animation wise right?
solid aurora
On consoles you will be limited by simple cache misses on setting final transform
tough sierra
Testing on a PC but this thing is just a 2.1 GHz quad from 8 years ago or more.
pearl elk
it was on a single thread too, I didnt even optimise using the async
solid aurora
@fathom wadi it is really not about animations or pooling
it's really about simple fact that every Tick in unreal
on individual actor
is cache miss
fathom wadi
but you wouldn't need a tick on them all right?
tough sierra
Yeah you pretty much have to avoid the Actor system entirely because of that.
pearl elk
yeah I did it by having a heap of components in a single actor, I actually already said this to Koi
solid aurora
you have to rip the transform calcation outside of actor
and essentially create TransformSystem yourself
@fathom wadi you don't but you still stiching with glue, badly designed system
tough sierra
Coding all that for a component seems painful compared to designing a full system from scratch though.
solid aurora
yes
pearl elk
say you have a map of 2km x 2km, Id probably split it into 4 and have an Actor handle the components of each sector
solid aurora
it's far easier to create such system from scrach
fathom wadi
yeah im completely ok with it not being for RTS games. Been used to the FPS elements for too long
fathom wadi
probably be a nice plugin to have a specific RTS setup for a base project
one that fixes the caveats
solid aurora
I personally wouldn't bother in unreal with RTS especially multiplayer one
just use Unity or create my own engine
pearl elk
People just have to stop treating actors like entities because they arnt the same thing
tough sierra
Any idea if other graphics engines are as out of the box (at least almost) as openFrameworks? Where you just describe where to draw specific meshes at specific locations. And same with lights.
Also yes am about to test Filemant am just collecting a list.
pearl elk
I think you'll still run into CPU limitations personally
tough sierra
Not sure about on the rendering side but mechanically of course, i've done it this way for a long time and have an idea of what to try with custom frameworks.
So at least there's direction.
pearl elk
I dont think I would ever do path finding unit by unit
fluid bloom
couldn't you just program some sort of unit manager that acts as an managing actor for all RTS units ๐ค
then handle the movement code in that
solid aurora
you are still going to be limited by Simple SetTransform
fluid bloom
that way you'd have full control over the code flow
solid aurora
as this shit caches transforms and is virtual on actor
tough sierra
If your still using their physics engine and yes SetTransform there's issues.
tough sierra
Unless you splice in your own physics engine.
solid aurora
doesn't matter really
pearl elk
relative transforms are faster than world transforms
tough sierra
Not replace i mean have custom components and such handle your own physics engine, and emulate your own set game objects.
solid aurora
you set transforms twice
for game transfrom
and physics
where it updates spatial structure
tough sierra
Huh makes sense why they do that but ouch.
solid aurora
it's done to essentially allow you to use custom physics engine
my bet
I guess they will scratch it when they rip out physx
pearl elk
you could use the navmesh to save alot of checking and running queries through BT is actually multithreaded
tough sierra
With box2D at least you have to be careful about how you space your sprites compared to it's data, can't do 1 unit = 1 pixel without hitting velocity limitations.
solid aurora
just like EQS and rest of AI system
but
it is more data oriented than other systems
there is that
pearl elk
EQS isnt on the game thread pretty sure
solid aurora
it is
tough sierra
Even being linear would be a massive help.
pearl elk
yeah well then a 2.1ghz processor is gonna suck with any game made on UE4
fluid bloom
don't most things use the task graph system so it seems async but everything is still on game thread?
pearl elk
if none of it is multithreaded
solid aurora
I will save all time from figuring out what is on task graph
tough sierra
This cpu can still run factorio pretty well though.
solid aurora
everything game related is running on SingleThread
GameThread
every tick is run from TaskGraph
but
all UObjects do work only on GameThread
and every tick is at least single Cache Miss
tough sierra
I remember reading in the one slide done by an intel employee they were attempting to find ways to break from the single threaded nature of game systems.
solid aurora
so you see in how big hell you are if you using default GameFromwork for anything else than shooter (;
if you want to break from single threaded game systems
look at Unity (;
pearl elk
I cant even write a shooter which will run on a 2.1GHz single thread
tough sierra
Hell none of the stuff i built has yet to use multithreading save for building stuff initially.
solid aurora
Unreal in reallity have all that
jobs
dependencies between jobs
just GameFramework and UObject system is implemented in a way that is it impossible to easily make it multithreaded
fluid bloom
APU
pearl elk
makes no difference, My PS4 is better than your computer
fluid bloom
amd trying to make weak CPUs sound sexy ๐
tough sierra
Even with the APU without a proper GPU this used to run 7 days to die perfectly fine before they updated to i think it was alpha 11.
This rig runs damn near everything ok.
pearl elk
bwhahaha good joke
tough sierra
It's not.
pearl elk
runs all those indie 2d games great I bet
tough sierra
Though I don't mess with high resolution screens, high draw call counts suck, but the current GPU handles the graphics end fine and that's what most games are intensive on.
late night
I definitely wouldn't enjoy ue4 editor without 3.5ghz
pearl elk
UE4 isnt written in Rust
late night
editor requires far more resources than a packaged game
tough sierra
Did battlefield on max a long while ago.
foggy path
Your definition of "just fine" must not be very demanding :D
tough sierra
Na i meant the game sorry.
pearl elk
it wont run BL3
late night
especially threads
tough sierra
FPS games are the easiest to run cpu wise.
Most of the time, hell even with planetside 2, it runs better than 7d2d.
pearl elk
thats good cuz BL3 isnt an FPS its an RPG
tough sierra
Things with lots of dynamic destructions and things cpu heavy are different.
Sorry.
Which game is that?
late night
why can't it be both
pearl elk
Borderlands 3
late night
if there ever was an fpsrpg
pearl elk
cuz FPS are pure man, cant taint them with other genres ๐
tough sierra
I need to try that one out but it can't be worse than planetside 2.
tough sierra
Yes it does.
tough sierra
Unless the draw counts are insane when you get say 300+ people in one area, then it's a bit hampered but it's the cpu to gpu communication mostly.
pearl elk
PUBG is the modern Crysis
tough sierra
Not tried that one.
late night
foggy path
planetside 2 used to be pretty poorly optimized but maybe they've improved it
pearl elk
left Allar is the real
tough sierra
Oddly though, fortnight just doesn't work on this rig at all. After playing it for say 10 mins it just randomly crashes like the gpu's vram got over stuffed.
late night
i have a 2080ti that bluescreens
foggy path
struggle to run it at 144 fps sometimes
tough sierra
I'm not sure how PS2's networking or "graphic quality" is but mechanically it seems alright.
The one thing I wish I could try is red faction.
That might actually push the cpu a bit.
pearl elk
I cant even run Quake, its too powerful
tough sierra
But like mentioned yeah playing games isn't the same as making them in a pre built game engine, especially a heavy weight one. The more custom my tool chain is the faster the iteration times are generally.
But writing a renderer would be so painful >.<
pearl elk
You should probably make a JRPG
tough sierra
Rome total war probably doesn't exactly count, though kinda, I know games with object counts in the thousands but not exactly past 10k, however since my 2D physics engine can handle over 22k moving bodies at 30 ticks a second on one thread, why not try to push the limits.
pearl elk
I think SupCom would with 8 players and the highest unit cap but Ive never seen that many on screen while playing
tough sierra
Hell warzone 2100 does a lot nicer than anything I've seen with a typical commercial engine.
"on screen" hell no.
That's too many draw calls.
pearl elk
Warzone is gpl aye?
tough sierra
It's open source at least.
foggy path
they opensourced Warzone? Huh
tough sierra
Kind of a favorite of mine, has nice mechanics and a nice community.
Warzone 2100
It was originally a ps1 game.
Kind of fun to see a plethora of angel rockets spam across the map.
Especially on the one map that handles 9 players. 3 teams of three.
One reason I loved that game was because you can get such a large scale for an rts game that's traditional land/air.
foggy path
I remember they had some kinda unit design system didn't they
pearl elk
I remember with Dawn of War Id play with increased unit cap and half sized units and it still wouldnt be more than acouple of hundred
foggy path
That was pretty neat
tough sierra
They do yes ^-^
You can build your own units by selecting the type of motion (hover, tracks, wheels, maybe another i forgot about). You can pick the body type, And you can pick the weapon type.
And they have a lot of variety.
pearl elk
I think the issue becomes one of how much you can fit on the screen, by having more units you have to zoom out further to capture them and then you see less because you arnt as close.
tough sierra
Correct. That is a gameplay problem.
And optimization problem.
With warzone you just move around, and use the mini map.
It doesn't let you scroll too far back.
Someone forked me an interesting idea for an RTS.
Where each unit was destructible per pixel.
And you'd have different parts made of different pixels that had their own functions.
median wraith
tough sierra
So example, you blow out an engine, unit stops moving.
median wraith
AMD GPUS have a foliage feature build in
tough sierra
GPU's have so much umph, if your game window res isn't too high and if your not blowing past your vram it's possible to play pretty much anything with a low end vddr5 GPU.
And I can't see more than 1024x768 resolution really anyway.
What i'd like to see is games pushing the gpu hadrer in the mechanical side (optionally).
pearl elk
huh 7751mhz VRAM
tough sierra
Running AI on the gpu would be nice, especially with a "rating system"
Maybe that'd help civ simulations.
Things that'd make server side hardware cheaper, for games that run on servers.
median wraith
its funny that the games like BFV just have 10FPS difference between GPUs
near the double price for 10FPS
tough sierra
Lol.
Till sandboxy.
Crafting games are taking a large slice of the market.
And are my personal favorites.
pearl elk
sandbox is a metaphor for depression
sick siren
anyone here willing to help me with learning of c++? i only learned basics and did few challenges on hackerrank, edabit etc. but i generally cannot produce anything by myself, and i dont have deep knowledge about important things in c++ like classes, applications of loops etc, if i can rewrite my knowledge with ratio to an average programmer then i would say like someone who was learning to programme for couple of weeks
tough sierra
@sick siren I recommend Chili's c++ tutorials. Here
I'm in his discord so there's that, but I find his videos to be the best programming tutorial videos on youtube overall.
Plus if you follow along for a while you'll learn "how" stuff works to some degree.
sick siren
@tough sierra Hey koi, thanks for the answer. I'll definitely watch his videos.
tough sierra
If you have issues keeping up find his discord, it's actually pretty active and he's pretty good about helping folks along.
pearl elk
You'll probably want to learn more than just C++, like the libraries
thats a nice joke at the start
plucky pagoda
Anybody know a really good router, software or other approach I can use to better manage my local network? I haven't messed with that kind of stuff in a while and I'm wondering what's out there. There use to be some open source options for making your own router from an old PC etc... I'm looking for something that let's me configure access times, block sites and otherwise better manage the local network and Lan to Wan. I'm using an AC2400 now but it can't handle the amount of traffic we have very well and the firmware is limiting. I figure someone in this group is going to be current on what's out there.
I don't pay attention to discord much so if you decide to chime in on this mention me.
Anybody used Mikrotik's routerBOARD and software?
median wraith
Hey kids do you remember that old 3000โฌ tool called marvellous designer ?
๐ค
plucky pagoda
Your's?
bold fulcrum
WC reforged is disaster of disasters.
plucky pagoda
Nice.
pearl elk
tbh it was all over for me when Blizzard North shut shop
bold fulcrum
Should someone tell me 12 years ago, that blizzard is going to shift into crapware segment, I would label that one a madman.
pearl elk
They released a patch for D2 10yrs after its release, that shit was unheard of and its not like people were screaming out for patches.
I remember thinking to myself, this is a games company I want to emulate, theyre made of the right stuff but now...
bold fulcrum
Yeah. Well, RIP Blizzard.
pearl elk
Warcraft for mobiles incoming
cursive crypt
@median wraith That nice work he had put, but can't really compare with MD I believe, lol. Hope it sees more manpower ๐
carmine frigate
is that usin normal blender no plugins?
median wraith
no plugins
winter zealot
questions tho: is xenko going to support ps5 the new xbox and all the new consoles
because the company that made it was a licensee of those console vendors
but it's unknown if the xenko devs will have the same access to the devkits as well
not sure about perfs but xenko looks cools tho
pearl elk
Its MIT so Im sure you could modify it to work on those devkits if you have access to them.
winter zealot
yeah indeed but it would be aloot of work, probably requiring deep engine knowledge and whatnot
like, I wouldn't ever attempt that if I had to choose
it would prolly be fun to do tho
pearl elk
Yes well I guess thats the cost of developing for proprietary hardware
Im not even sure if UE4 supports those platforms either, Id say they do have implementations in the works behind the scenes
winter zealot
because it would mean that choosing UE4 or Unity over xenko would be a massive win if xenko doesn't support those platforms by default
we can be sure that UE4 or Unity will support the ps5 as ue3 supports the ps4 etc
pearl elk
I wasnt even aware Unity supported any platforms, I think I saw a Unity game on Switch once ๐
winter zealot
yeah same ๐ there aren't that much unity/UE4 games on switch and other consoles despite what ppl say ๐
deep glen
pearl elk
I play abit on consoles but its mostly first party
pearl elk
Youre just the person Ive been looking for
please tell me your amazeball ideas so I may document them and get a team together to manage and implement them
winter zealot
lol ๐
I openly say this tho : it's not my job to improve UE4 and I think UE4 should have a bunch of features
hate it or like it, I won't change, many users do that, there's a suggestion thread on epics forums
pearl elk
Epic should do everything I suggest because Im that awsome
I even thought of Fortnite years before they made it, oh its true
winter zealot
Epic should do most of the things I suggest because they're common sense
novel latch
My idea is secret, all I can say its worth millions. If you dm me I can set up a contract :3
pastel tiger
I have good ideas. My ideas are great. I have the greatest ideas maybe ever.
median wraith
I found a lot of ideas man/woman last year could make a whole team with them, the world ends as then start to have ideas between them and a implosion happen
winter zealot
I have good ideas because I use unity, I note unity's features on a tiny pink notepad, and then I give them back to UE4 ideas board
pearl elk
I actually saw something really cool on choose team members the other day, it was about how the Navy Seals do it
winter zealot
also, just kidding, I'm not dming anyone ๐
winter zealot
ideas man can also evolve to " silicon valley jeebus "
median wraith
A person actually the last year told me "I have awesome ideas, do you know what we could do the both in a team?"
winter zealot
rationalizing crunch and exploitation trough motivational speeches praising steve jobs
novel latch
Sitting in a train, but will watch the video before team greeting!
winter zealot
simon sinek once said in some interview " blablabla millenials turn their smartphones in the conference room"
" it's bad because suddenly I'm not the most important person in the room " or something like that
๐
pearl elk
theres a joke about that, millennials dont even use ringtones anymore so its definitely a boomers phone if its ringing
winter zealot
yeah but I dunno, it's cute ๐ I kinda want not to be ageist now
for me " ok boomer " means more " ok, person having survivor bias " rather than " ok 45 yo person "
pearl elk
what he says here makes alot of sense here
winter zealot
prolly, I gonna check it out just in case 
pearl elk
yeah its really brief and to the point no faffing around
novel latch
Crazy how many stereotypea there are
winter zealot
if I had a penny for every honch being brief in his motivational videos...
tidal ivy
lol
winter zealot
also Mons, 1) anyone in #lounge could've made this video simon sinek is basically appropriating navy seals knowledge, it's great that he talks about it but he didn't come up with it
pearl elk
My favourite is the military gamer who thinks they can be in the military because of their game skills.
winter zealot
- this is great but measuring everything might not be a good idea all the time in every environment, it ends up like a fascist regime ( cough, china cough )
pearl elk
Im all about spreading the knowledge, the device in which the knowledge is spread is irrelevant to me
I put Robin Williams quotes right up there next to Bruce Lee quotes ๐
winter zealot
yes I agree to that tho Monsium
but I just wanted to re-contextualize silicon-valley jebuses and their """" awesome managing skills """" ๐
my point is also anyone with the right knowledge can do good things, which is why there shouldn't be such gatekeeping on universities
pearl elk
Trust me I can tell what type of guy he is by the way he checks himself out and poses while doing something simple like drawing with a texter on a piece of paper :p
winter zealot
what bothers me is that there's more and more unbound neoliberalism bullshit hapenning everyday
and then more and more silicon valley jeebusses popping up here and there and talking about management and leadership etc etc
it might be a personal feeling tho, it's fine ๐
pearl elk
You cant defeat something without being on the inside, thats why China is such a powerhouse
Theyre all like yeah we're communist but screw you we're gonna do capitalism better too and really fuck you
winter zealot
like, with all these wise words of wisdom..... there's so much crunch and massive layoffs
winter zealot
Monsium, china is mostly like " yeah we gonna exploit our citizens by every possible mean " which is the problem imo
pearl elk
yeah but which political system doesnt do that ๐
winter zealot
good question indeed ๐
crimson egret
primitivism
pearl elk
it just depends on how much power the people have in the country to incite change, doesnt have much to do with the system
winter zealot
agreed
pearl elk
Im an economic centrist, I think the answer lays in the middle somewhere not on the outer fringes
Its how I always work, I take the best stuff and pile it in the middle like a chipmunk hording nuts
winter zealot
sure, altrough corruption bothers me alot
it seems to be what prevents things to work
pearl elk
trouble is you can never pay the anti-corruption authorities enough to counter it
winter zealot
Imo the answer is what you said : " it just depends on how much power the people have in the country to incite change "
if corrupted politicians could be fired in a fingersnap, we wouldn't see that much corruption
crimson egret
winter zealot
but fired by actual citizens, trough vote of course
pearl elk
We have politicians here who use the term Meritocracy as a system which would work better than Popularity contests
winter zealot
imo, meritocracy is a way to favoritize assholes playing the game of the system
people crunching all the time saying that everyone else should crunch too etc
pearl elk
Direct Democracy has been brought up a few times recently, using technology to have votes more often but then you run into issues of facist regimes controlling the vote through hacks
crimson egret
elections through cage fights
winter zealot
yeah but the theory of direct democracy sounds more preferable to me tho
crimson egret
every politician gets thrown into a battle royale and the last one standing becomes the ruler
pearl elk
If there were a secure implementation it could really work but its a problem that hasnt been solved
winter zealot
votes via blockchain or something like that ?
this would be the right kind of project to open source
pearl elk
One thing brought up here is we might need to change our constitution to allow the Defense Force to act without State approval during National Disasters but those referendums cost so much money to hold its not funny. The last one we had on Marriage Equality cost us millions just to prove what everyone already knew
winter zealot
with everyone trying the hardest possible to hack it, to find potential security fails etc
gosh UE4 keeps compiling again
pearl elk
People still hack elections though, theres all different ways to get around it, Gerrymandering is one they always call out in the US
winter zealot
this time I have errors showing up in the UE4 sourcecode despite UE4 sourcecode not having been changed the slightest
and no errors reported in my code, I keep deleting intermediates and build folders and trying to rebuild my project
I can't work, I'm waiting for UE4 to get back to normal
Monsium yeah this is a complex topic too indeed
stiff crystal
hacked elections or not, the people voted in will not do what they said they'd do anyway
so you'll get totally random result anyway
pearl elk
Thats how I feel about the C++ committee ๐
Concepts Lite my arse
its right there at the top but its no where near the proposal that got removed in the C++11 draft. So many years and bleeeeh, still waiting
cursive crypt
What you are not happy with? I haven't looked back then what was the original idea, but now they seem to save up a bit of typing and improve on compiler diagnostic.
spark wharf
omgggggggggg again finally another ridiculous problem fixedddddddd
I didn't even know there was a physics section in details panel for meshes gggggggggggggg I'm nooooooooob
pearl elk
yes you are green
spark wharf
learning unreal like this feels like a constant beat down
I think this is normal though
pearl elk
its the dark souls of game engines
spark wharf
I guess I need more soulssssszzzzzz
pearl elk
just wait till you face Tim Sweeney in the final boss battle
spark wharf
hahaha the first time I saw him was on a mega64 video
unreal engine 5, real life graphics
deep glen
โNow itโs you who has to worry about rent and bills, not your dad.โ Deep inside I knew he was right. The more responsibilities, problems, and stress in life, the more we lose our appetite for things that used to entertain us, gaming included.
so true
ancient hornet
which is why I welcome our AI robotic overlords
looking into making a robot pass the vacuum cleaner in my house first ๐
bonus points : you can make funny cat videos of cats scared of the roomba
hazy delta
this doesn't make sense to me, the more responsibilities I have the more I want to get away from them to play games ๐ค
ancient hornet
I find it hard to enjoy the things I enjoy when I have things that still need to be done ๐ข
pearl elk
I feel abit left out sometimes like there are not enough games for my age group, I mostly play R18+ games but they are still very childish to me
fathom wadi
I've gamed for 40 years. I'm only bored of the way of the game content has been locked behind paywalls these days. Being forced to accept reduced quality games so they can shovel MTX in has ruined my motivation to play some games.
I used to love FIFA and UFC games for example. Won't play them out of principle now
One thing I did that was beneficial however, was learn to treat game development like an MMORPG. The more I grinded it out, the more legendaries I won. I'm upto one now after 10 years :p
shit loot table
hazy delta
guess I can consider myself lucky that I like a pretty broad range of games then. That way I don't have to worry about them being too 'childish'
pearl elk
I still enjoy them dont get me wrong but many just arnt really up there in terms of adult story telling
hazy delta
do you have a good exmaple for a game that got it right in your opinion?
fathom wadi
Path of Exile has a pretty good adult story. Although a lot will skip the story, if you follow it, its brutal and interesting. Plus it gets a new storyline arc every 3 months
fathom wadi
well it alters into new arcs
pearl elk
Thing is there is plenty of brutality to go around but wheres the softer edge, the madness, the pain, the torment
ancient hornet
well if you stick to "every 3 months"
cause a lot of the new leagues bring very little in story
fathom wadi
dude its path of exile. I've been playing it without prejudice for 7 years lol
pearl elk
I guess I could say Hellblade, that was pretty well done, I didnt feel like I was being talked down to from a narrative perspective
fathom wadi
Hellblade actually triggered someone I know with schitzo-effective disorder. So it was pretty good at what it did I guess
pearl elk
Ive heard Witcher 3 is pretty good too but Ive never played it so I dont want to assume
fathom wadi
naah thats over-rated. Depends what you like tho. But the combat is shit and the storyline bored me to death
im sure its awesome to some ppl tho
pearl elk
well the love scenes are interesting, Im sure those relationships develop during the game
fathom wadi
just what I want. relationship drama in a game :p
Honestly though I didn't get too far into the game to know. The combat was so bad, I couldn't bring myself to play it for the upcoming 100 hours or so
ancient hornet
witcher 3 combat isn't that bad
fathom wadi
it really is
ancient hornet
but it's for sure not a selling point for me
pearl elk
One thing I liked about the earlier Uncharted games was the relationship stuff, it was well done and fit
ancient hornet
then again I find Ultima 7 to be one of the best games ever and the combat part is like an afterthought ๐
fathom wadi
got the feeling they pushed that too far with U4 though.
pearl elk
It wasnt so thick to be an episode of the Kardashians, it was just there and made sense because humans have relationships
Im sick of the Steven Seagal main characters
fathom wadi
The Elena bullshit in uncharted 4 simply annoyed me. It was like being in a bad relationship for real and why the fuck would I want that in a game? ~:D
plus she was full of shit
dense storm
changed my thermal paste to some grizzly and put noctua fans on my radiator results: http://www.interkaos.com/grabs/HWiNFO64_RxKZr910cd.png
pearl elk
Yeah Uncharted 4 was a bit downhill, the first 3 were better
dense storm
๐
winter zealot
@stiff crystal btw that's why I think politicians should be fireable instantly by popular referendum
I'm not too sure about the specifics but I'm sure that would prevent crooked politicians to damage things
anyways etc yeah
ancient hornet
politics turn too much into a "sports team fandom" for my taste
such kind of referendum would just ensure a country isn't governable anymore
winter zealot
that's why i'm not too sure about the specifics of such a system
ancient hornet
I'd like rather elections to be made more on a vote system that is less "gamed"
at least, I'd like to see that tried
pearl elk
I would like to see a parliament full of the best people for the job from all parties, so its fully nonpartisan leadership
I doubt they would get along though, there would be some asshole which holds everything up just because
ancient hornet
btw, I'm not sure of science fiction thought about it but
winter zealot
something to allow actual citizens to be politicians and not just billionaires and rich senators etc
ancient hornet
I think there's a possibility that Democracy and all the current government forms get replaced by AI based leadership ๐
not sure how you'd describe that though ๐
pearl elk
tbh I think Id trust a machine more than humans
winter zealot
there's no such thing, AI government means " <entity owning the AI's> government
finite lark
anyone around here plays world of warcraft? I have a couple of questions?
pearl elk
Machines are actually better at seeing issues with legal documents and diagnosing illness than humans
ancient hornet
well I can imagine how a complex AI can reach a point where those that control it, don't actually control it
winter zealot
people want to make AI look like gods that can't be wrong so that they can gain more power
ancient hornet
with machine learning
winter zealot
machine learning is not AI per se btw , it's " programming with probabilities and datasets "
pearl elk
I think the idea of an AI government would be no one controls it cuz thats the issue isnt it, people using influence to corrupt
winter zealot
but people call it " AI " for the clickbait
ancient hornet
well I meant it in the way that
winter zealot
it's more clickbaity if people read " AI " instead of " machine learning " and " program with probabilities and datasets "
ancient hornet
"self learning" AI reaches a point where the people behind it don't exactly control what it does
finite lark
ML is AI
winter zealot
all that a neural network does is regurgitate data it has read, filtered trough layers of matrices
ancient hornet
which is my point, if we get an AI complex enough to do the job of a government, I feel it'll be a point where people that manage it don't really control it
cause it's too complex for that
pearl elk
Yeah not sure I think a learning machine is a good idea to have leading, one that can make decisions based on data sure but those decisions are made because of preset goals. It cant set its own goals