#lounge | Unreal Source | Page 662

molten quarry Jan 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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i've fixed it

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thanks

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it was just super small xD

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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great

molten quarry Jan 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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now i've made it too big lmao

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ancient hornet Jan 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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well not all models have a sane "scale" so you can apply a scaling in the mesh import options

solar nebula Jan 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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@molten quarry right click on that green flashing tutorial icon in top right

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And disable all notifications

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Well, the icon is blue. But it makes this green shockwave effect

molten quarry Jan 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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@solar nebula done

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thx

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@ancient hornet i did that now it's the normal size

hazy delta Jan 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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@solar nebula people do that?

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I just leave it on so I know when UE4 is stuck doing something 🤔

solar nebula Jan 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I run UE4 under MSVS so I can just look in the output log to tell if it's stuck

hazy delta Jan 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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well I don't have that luxury 😦

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Unity finally got their 2019.3 out of the door

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so last year 😄

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they are also going from 3 to 2 TECH releases for 2020 dev cycle

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I guess them always running behind on the last release forced them do this

zinc matrix Jan 28, 2020, 7:49 PM

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lets just hope that less pressure on releases helps them get their house in order when it comes to the WIP features

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 7:55 PM

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when they removed gi, did they announce that like immediately before the next point release?

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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They removed it before they had anything to replace it

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Unsure if they now have a replacement or not

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I was just curious beucase it seemed like they announced that removal and then put an update out immediately there after.

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I dunno if that was the case?

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it sounded like what they came up with was nvidia's invention

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so expect dxr (acceleration at least)

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unity is kind of a pit of spikes anyways

zinc matrix Jan 28, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Progressive GPU Lightmapper is still in preview yea
It's the same as their networking solution, they stopped developing UNet in 2017 (but didn't admit to it until 2018/9) and their new solution is still a WIP demo project

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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lol on unet

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:40 PM

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@zinc matrix @signal citrus enlighten is still going to be on 2020 cycle for their built-in renderer, but they did deprecate it for SRPs on 2019 cycle, meaning it'll be there for 2019 LTS but not getting fixes anymore for HDRP etc

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new system is going to arrive 2021 earliest apparently

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I thought it was stripped out?

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:41 PM

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it's still there

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they stripped HDRP support from 2020 releases

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and whole enlighten will be gone on 2021 cycle

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also DXR GI is already there but it's super early (and noisy)

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but the new replacement will be something you don't need DXR hardware to run with

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the new system was baked with DXR hw on their presentation tho

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so I dunno if that's going to be in the final setup too (that devs require RTX gpu's) or if it's just for the initial prototype

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re: unet...

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that's kinda difficult as unet was never great to begin with

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so while some new users inevitably will miss it, most experienced users wont

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it's never been great in production

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they still maintain it tho

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:47 PM

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does everyone just use photon now or something?

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:48 PM

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it's wild west atm

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photon is popular tho

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:48 PM

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would recommend uLink all day if unity made any sense

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is that still one of the things to pick from?

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I stopped considering their products after they banned me from their discord 😄

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:49 PM

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photon?

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:49 PM

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exit games in general, they have bunch of unity networking solutions

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it all started by me asking about their licensing, and turned out their licensing was super vague in general, they were immediately pissed off when "yet another" user came asking what their license actually meant

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you can tell things are shady if their staff get immediately pissed of when someone talks about their licensing terms

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their staff kept telling things being in the terms that werent and when I explained it to them, they chose it's better to not have me there

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tbh, I never liked the way they did things to begin with

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they try to get all people on their ecosystem, to use their matchmaking services

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they don't even try to sell their products anymore, it's more of getting people to their CCU plans

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even if you used steam's matchmaking, they wanted you to pay them for CCU 😄

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I had paid for their product in past when that BS wasn't a thing before

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they basically wanted steam users to use their cloud system anyway and if you think it from devs perspective, that's just horrible, that's two things that can break instead of one due to server issues etc

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do note that they don't actually do any kind of dedicated server hosting, they only handle the matchmaking and punchthrough

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 8:56 PM

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gosh, maybe epic games will roll their own networking solutions, I don't think they'd be as shady in terms of licensing... also it seems weird to pay just for matchmaking indeed

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:56 PM

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pretty sure everyone wants some fee for running service like that

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Unity itself sold similar deal with their UNet

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on steam, the fee is basically included on the revenue cut on the game sales

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I wonder how it'll go on EGS as they claim you can use their networking solution for free but it not being tied to EGS only

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we are still waiting for EOS to deliver tho

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I'd really want to use it myself too

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:58 PM

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i don't believe there is a networking solution offered by egs yet

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 8:58 PM

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indeed no, it's all "coming soon"

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:58 PM

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@quiet narwhal was saying two games use it right now

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:59 PM

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yeah, but you can't just take it and integrate it for a random project right now

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with public api

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(for matchmaking that is)

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 8:59 PM

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yeah thats what i meant by not offered

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Available now: Game analytics, Ticketing system

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that's... not going to cut it 😄

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https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/services

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 9:00 PM

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its just match making that steam offers though right?

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labbies and such

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I really wonder why they did it in this order

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why you'd even need ticketing system when there's barely anything yet

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@signal citrus yeah, but crossplatform

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 9:00 PM

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yeah 🤷

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 9:01 PM

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basically these are the things I'd want from their list:

Parties: Enable players to form groups and play together.
Matchmaking: Set up game matches for individual players or predetermined groups.
Player identity: Enable players to log in and connect with others across different platforms.

quiet narwhal Jan 28, 2020, 9:01 PM

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well we will know for sure at GDC this year what is going on and when

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 9:01 PM

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rest are optional

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oh right

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they did that thing 😄

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"roadmap is gone, tune up at next GDC"

quiet narwhal Jan 28, 2020, 9:02 PM

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yeah the FAQ was updated to say that

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 9:02 PM

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that being said, you can't really complain about free stuff

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just wish they did get this done faster 😄

quiet narwhal Jan 28, 2020, 9:02 PM

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well we know it works behind the scenes, it's just in smaller testing now

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if it works as well as it does in fortnite and dauntless for free for us that wouldn't be a bad thing. One account over multiple platforms all synced has been nice

signal citrus Jan 28, 2020, 9:03 PM

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cool.

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 9:07 PM

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that being said, the crossplatform part is not really going to be a thing at first either

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unless you count PC only

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Epic Online Services will initially come with built-in support for Windows, Mac, and Linux

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PlayStation, Xbox, Android, Switch, and iOS support will be added in the coming months.

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 9:08 PM

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also it would absolutely be neat that eol already works 😊

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hah yes tho, crossplay's gonna be a little bit more difficult

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I don't even know how implementing crossplay would work, like... the client builds are different but communicating to the same server build ?

quiet narwhal Jan 28, 2020, 9:10 PM

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it's just data, you do with that data what you want

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 9:11 PM

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yeah as long as the server gets the packets and gives them to physx or any process and everything is replicated it all works 😄

quiet narwhal Jan 28, 2020, 9:11 PM

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right now we know it works and hopefully we will get a full sample when released. Dauntless has cross platform network play right now for all major consoles and PC

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 9:11 PM

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oh wow a crossplatform full sample would be great

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(sorry, getting randomly high hopes on this )

quiet narwhal Jan 28, 2020, 9:12 PM

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well we might and if not maybe someone can figure it out once it's released and do it for them lol

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 9:12 PM

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that would be so dandy it'd be awesome

tidal ivy Jan 28, 2020, 9:12 PM

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any client can communicate with any server in UE and has been able to for a very long time

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the issue has always been platform holders, not the games

zinc matrix Jan 28, 2020, 9:13 PM

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^

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 9:14 PM

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that's awesome tho, maybe it's even somehow easy to implement, all the multiplayer

tidal ivy Jan 28, 2020, 9:14 PM

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if you have your own accounts system etc, it's trivial

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 9:15 PM

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btw by trivial you mean the multiplayer or the crossplatform multiplayer ?

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 9:15 PM

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this is where the EOS comes in

quiet narwhal Jan 28, 2020, 9:15 PM

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multiplayer itself hasn't been too hard as is, I had HTML5 and PC connected without much trouble and that was using the stupid net driver

stiff crystal Jan 28, 2020, 9:15 PM

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you need some cloud service to connect the players (most will not do their own)

tidal ivy Jan 28, 2020, 9:15 PM

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there's almost no difference between "multiplayer" and "crossplatform", the game network traffic is the same

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the problem is entirely infrastructure

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if you have your own backend you can get clients on any platform to connect to your own servers without much issue

winter zealot Jan 28, 2020, 9:21 PM

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yeah the backend part would imply something like any webserver running a simple x64 program, receiving https requests from various clients and giving the ip of the clients to each others as needed isn't it ?

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maybe something hosted on hostgator would do ? hopefully no need for some crazy AWS super expensive plan if it's not a mog or anything

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in anycase it's awesome that EOL is improving 😊

sage ermine Jan 28, 2020, 10:02 PM

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You don't need backend for multiplayer

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You can just use javascript in the browser

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https://giphy.com/gifs/smile-creepy-sR91D133W02D6

Giphy

verbal junco Jan 28, 2020, 11:27 PM

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weird question, does anyone know if you can see a list over where each steam game is installed on one's PC?

zinc matrix Jan 28, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Now it's a good time @signal citrus => https://cheats.rs/

foggy path Jan 28, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I don't think there's any really easy way of doing that, you can see the install drive in the game's properties

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and then you can click on browser local files to see the exact path

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unless this information is hidden somewhere in steam's metadata files, which is entirely possible

dim ruin Jan 28, 2020, 11:34 PM

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@winter zealot hostgator would banhammer anyone trying to host that for a high traffic game lol

verbal junco Jan 28, 2020, 11:34 PM

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@foggy path I mean I was hoping there would be like a database view over it

dim ruin Jan 28, 2020, 11:37 PM

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but absolutely agree regarding webservers. I'm building out my backend on asp.net core to handle authentication, sessions, matchmaking, inventory management etc. Webservers kick the shit out of anything a game server can handle. asp.net core theoretic limit is currently 7 million requests per second. Thats not a practical limit but that should easily allow a few million real-world requests

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my game's design easily allows for this pattern though. Might not fit well for some games of course without heavy netcode modification for the game. Mine is match-based gameplay so after a match, you return to your local-hosted level until you're ready to queue up again and the backend does its magic. Also allows for easy server registration with the backend. You can use point-server+proxy server node setups super easy this way too

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 12:23 AM

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I think I'm finally starting to understand how to make use of transform and inverse transform 🤔

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I have a physics handle to move something around and I wanted to keep the moved object's rotation relative to what it was when you picked it up... so I figured I could convert it to a local rotation relative to the pawn, and then back again and that actually worked somehow lol

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:46 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/b96ffce5d70fa8869ca3a3928a306cf7.png

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https://giphy.com/gifs/robert-downey-jr-sigh-confused-116a8zosxwA0SI

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signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 1:47 AM

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artificial intelligence? tag material and animations

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:48 AM

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in the epic games launcher

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 1:58 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/robotgirl-artificial-asco-tumblr-gif-9734323

Tenor

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ugh tfw your isp has a data cap 🙉

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:00 AM

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i dislike that too

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:00 AM

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I've gone over mine 3 months in a row now

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:01 AM

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when i wen't over the limit twice one month

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it makes more sense to just pay whatever fee they offer for unlimited

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:02 AM

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You doubled your limit?

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:02 AM

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i hit 4tb

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:02 AM

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ah wow, my limit is 1tb

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:02 AM

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and it was a charge of 160 dollars or something nuts

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for 50 dollars i get unlimited with comcast

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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yeah my charges cap at $200, it's $10 every 50GB after the limit

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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ouch

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Is that $50 on top of your bill?

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Because I have comcast too

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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yes

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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argh

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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on top

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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So essentially it's like paying for cable again, which I cut because everything is streamed now

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:04 AM

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yeah

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cable tv is even a bit more crazy lol

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so many ads

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:05 AM

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yeah, it's like paying for ads and then you have to pay extra to get hd. and sd looks awful, or at least you used to have to

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It's crazy how these companies can just keep ballooning your bill the longer you stay with them

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Not even talking about the data cap

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Might switch to spectrum. They apparently have no cap

signal citrus Jan 29, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Century link is now that right?

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:09 AM

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I don't think so. Spectrum is Charter communications. It used to be Time Warner cable

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It's funny how these companies all change their marketing names because they eventually become negative connotations

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I pay 1,000¥ every 6 month for internet...

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:21 AM

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$9 ?

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what speeds do you get?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Great

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I think my power supply just failed...

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mobo is showing RAM failure error code but it seems to be struggling to even boot at all so I'm inclined to suspect the PSU..

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:23 AM

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元 ¥ not 円 ¥

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RMB

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What kind of power supply do you have?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Corsair RM850

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:23 AM

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oh okay, Renminbi not yen

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So $144 every 6 months

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:24 AM

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The People's Money.

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My speeds are great when they are great, and not great when they aren't...

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I call it fast but inconsistant internet.

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 2:25 AM

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ahh okay I pay something like $90/month

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But it's going to be a lot more this month with the data overages

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:25 AM

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That's a pretty big power supply, Mr. Zomg.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I have a beefy PC with lots of peripherals

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it's 6 years old so I guess it could have failed

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the PSU that is

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although so is the RAM...

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Ugh, I have such a massive cooler it's gonna be a huge pain to take out the RAM to see if it would boot with fewer modules

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:26 AM

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I just had to replace my power supply because my Chinese one wasn't rated for 110v...

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$90 a month and it isn't even unlimited...

This is why I don't like capitalism...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:31 AM

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okay yeah I'm pretty convinced it's the PSU... I press the power button and all it does is cycle the LEDs on the mobo and nothing even happens

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I'm fairly sure a RAM failure would not do that, it would at least try to boot :P

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3.5 hours until the local computer shop opens... :D

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:32 AM

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When I had my ram inserted wrong the computer would still try to book, but the bios would come up and show I had some crazy low amount of ram.

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Well, lucky for you modular power supplies are generally super easy to instal, assuming you aren't shoving it into a tiny case.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:34 AM

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yeah hopefully I won't have to redo all the cables because although it's a fairly large case there are a lot of cables lol

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easier if I can just plug the cables at the PSU into the new one

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Shouldn't be a problem as long as you buy another modular.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:34 AM

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yeah

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I got custom cables for the size of my PC case, at least for my new PC.

This current PC is 10 years old, so I just used the Corsair cables included.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:47 AM

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@foggy path could be the mobo too

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:48 AM

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That takes about 10x as long to test...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:48 AM

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😄

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yeah

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I had that on my previous rig

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Ain't nobody got time for that...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I always suspected it was the psu

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but after swapping the psu and putting rest of the gear to different mobo, only place where I got issues was with the old mobo once I assembled with all different parts

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rest of the gear worked just fine

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:49 AM

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I'm surprised my motherboard is still working on this PC... It broke once after I took it on the airlines, but a Chinese dude fixed it.

i7 920...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I'm surprised people still run that 😄

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that being said, I wonder if that would still have been better on ue4 compilation than the i5 3570k I replaced it with

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for gaming and general use, that i5 really stomped that first gen i7

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:52 AM

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I don't use this computer for Unreal stuff beyond just doing real basic stuff.

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I keep this one for storing lots of old games and movies. I only use it when I visit my mom and am too lazy to bring my real PC.

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It has a GTX 750ti in it...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:53 AM

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yeah, I reuse my old rigs usually too

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my old i5 is now here as secondary rig, used for random things

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:54 AM

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My mom sometimes plays Facebook games on it.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:54 AM

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and have also some test rigs where I can place crap computer parts for low end perf testing

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I've lost my old celeron cpu tho

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I'm sure it'll pop up somewhere the moment I ditch the mobo it fits

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that cpu cost like 50€ new... 7 or so years ago

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I can still work on me user interface stuff I need to get done in Unreal. I've been putting that off for a really long time, because there is always more fun stuff to work on.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:55 AM

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now I got some i3 on that mobo

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I guess it has to do, because I can't think people would still game on 2 core celerons today

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or that I'd want to optimize the game to run on such weak hw

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that i3 is still quite powerful

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:57 AM

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could be the mobo I guess but seems somewhat unlikely, at least you would think it would not just randomly die if it was the mobo

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:57 AM

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I've had 2 mobos that have done that so far

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:57 AM

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the first thing that happened when it died was the GPU seemed to crash

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:57 AM

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only PSU that I've gotten broken was one that threw out the working smoke

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:57 AM

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when booting, the fans start to turn on, the GPU starts to turn on... and then the power cycles without the computer ever actually powering on

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which at least to me seems to suggest insufficient power

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:58 AM

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could be

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or faulty VRM on mobo

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:58 AM

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fucking hope not lol

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I have better things to do than rebuild my PC

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:59 AM

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this is where extra crap computers are handly, quick to throw gear in to check if it still boots and don't risk too much if things break more

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:59 AM

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no way to test until I go buy a new PSU though so it might be several trips to the computer store in the worst case :p

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 2:59 AM

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I don't even know how you fix a motherboard, but this dude in China sure as hell fixed mine...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:59 AM

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yeah, I know the feeling

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 2:59 AM

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all my extra crap computers are so fucking ancient none of the components are even remotely compatible lol

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 2:59 AM

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I was really frustrated when my old i5 started to struggle on boots

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it would like boot on every 10th attempt eventually

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I still don't know where the issue is, it sounds like some cap failure

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but visually all caps are fine

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:00 AM

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One of my old computers needed a good kick to the side sometimes before it would boot lol

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no joke

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Just be happy there is a computer store in your area. I just got back the the US last week and my main computer store is going out of business...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:00 AM

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this reminds me of my friend who had his computer die recently as well

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man you should have seen his cpu once he took it apart

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it was so corroded all over the contact points that I'm surprised it even booted anymore

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:01 AM

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wow :P

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:01 AM

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I'll never watercool my stuff unless I don't have any choice 😄

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but yeah, we both had our rigs fail within month of other and both had pain of not having working rig because of it. we both ended up getting new ones :/

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:03 AM

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I wonder if verkkokauppa would test my PSU if I bring it lol

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it's well out of warranty but who knows

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:04 AM

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altho in my case, I already was gong to get new ryzen at that point, was just bummer that AMD didn't have them in stock yet

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I dunno, they have pretty crappy support

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you can try I suppose

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:04 AM

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yeah it seems it has gotten a bit worse

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:04 AM

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I've got quite few bad experiences with them even when the warranty was still on 😄

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:04 AM

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I remember I brought in something some years ago and they just took it in the back to verify

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:05 AM

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I can give you a Chinese power supply if you want.

I can't promise it won't blow up your whole computer though...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:06 AM

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😄

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that RM850 should be decent quality tho

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I'm currently running RM750 myself

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:07 AM

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remember to wear gloves and a mask when dealing with Chinese hardware

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Might get the coronavirus.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:08 AM

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yeah run antivirus when youre done

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:08 AM

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lol

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:08 AM

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I'll trade you two power supplies for a pack of 10 surgical masks.

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They ran out of masks in China.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:08 AM

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talking of which, the ebay case I had where they sent me the wrong item.. seller first suggested he'd give me 50% refund as they operate on low profit margins

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like wtf I do with wrong part in the first place

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:09 AM

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I probably should buy new surge protectors... The ones I have are pretty old and although they have indicators that supposedly show if it has failed, I have no idea what the indicator is supposed to look like when it's still protected lol

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:09 AM

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then put normal ebay refund for wrong item and got 100% immediately

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:09 AM

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you would think they would pay attention to what they ship if they are so strapped for cash lol

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:09 AM

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I don't even have grounded power sockets here 😄

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gotta love old apartments

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you mainly find those on kitchen and wc on these

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:10 AM

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this was built in 2004 I think and it's been built all fucked lol

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Who needs to pay attention to what you ship, when you could be drinking vodka at work instead.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:11 AM

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that's what I thought 😄

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not my problem, so don't make it my problem

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@foggy path btw about those transform things you mentioned earlier, they can be super handy. I use them all the time for moving things from local to world space and back, just make sure you pick the right variant for the thing you need it to do

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:12 AM

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yeah

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:12 AM

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I'm trying to figure out what the fuck this is and who asked for it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVEzQmakqZg

YouTube

Artiphon

Introducing Orba by Artiphon – An instrument designed for your hands

Hold out your hands and meet Orba, a new kind of musical instrument. It’s a tiny synth, looper, and MIDI controller that lets anyone make music immediately. Orba’s minimalist design resembles a cross between a gaming controller and a half a grapefruit, and its feather-tou...

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foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:12 AM

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math stuff is not my forte so it takes some figuring out how to solve certain mathy problems lol

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:13 AM

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I once did a quick portal proof of concept with ue4, used those for matching the cameras with different portals

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:14 AM

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I like how they start it with "not just for musicians' but then they mostly show people with expensive pianos

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:14 AM

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I wonder if I could code with a piano

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Ungrounded outlets, damn. What Country do you live in?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:14 AM

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if it works as well as that advertises it seems like a potentially nice instrument... I know there's people who like odd instruments like those

steel jackal Jan 29, 2020, 3:15 AM

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@stiff crystal With scene captures? Did you get far enough to worry about optimization?

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Putin hates grounded outlets, Mr. Phantom.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:15 AM

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thats kinda scary.

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do you get many surges?

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Putin is kind of scary.

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I'm afraid of Russia, never been there.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I think Putin is just more of a take no shit kind of guy

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:16 AM

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ungrounded is probably somewhat common in older apartments here but I think our power networks are fairly stable

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big thunder storms might be the main thing to worry about when it comes to power surges, but those are not very common

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:16 AM

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is tha Spain or something over there?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Finland

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:16 AM

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oh wow. cool

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:17 AM

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also by old I mean something like 60s

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:17 AM

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well not the ungrounded thing but lol

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 3:17 AM

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or older

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Putin is your ground

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:17 AM

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@steel jackal I didn't really care too much about the optimization but it really boils down to the capture resolution. I could make it work for fullhd without huge cost on my old gtx670 I had at that time

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what was bigger pain with that setup however was CMC

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as it kept doing random jumps when I teleported it to new place and direction 😄

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I should have just done custom controller for the demo

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:18 AM

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this is still my fav Putin meme

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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-TXBxxPAtb0/maxresdefault.jpg

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the bear one, not the horse

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Now they want me to buy two of those Orba music things that I don't know what the hell it is...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:19 AM

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📎 images.png

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:19 AM

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lol

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close runner up

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Add about 150kg and you might be about right.

wet horizon Jan 29, 2020, 3:22 AM

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HandsUp

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:23 AM

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CMC needs to die slowly in a fire

broken sigil Jan 29, 2020, 3:23 AM

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:23 AM

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everyone loves CMC

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:24 AM

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wasn't there legit talk about Epic refactoring/gutting it?

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or is that just a kentucky fried mouse?

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:25 AM

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there's some experimental new thing but I dunno if it's even being developed anymore

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or just piled on the same place with other experiments before they get slowly forgotten

plucky pagoda Jan 29, 2020, 3:26 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity/

Facebook

Log into Facebook | Facebook

Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:26 AM

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ex-perimentals

plucky pagoda Jan 29, 2020, 3:27 AM

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You can now see, delete and turn off the tracking facebook does of activity other than on facebook

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:28 AM

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I'm pretty sure only old people use Facebook.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:28 AM

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it'd be really cool to see what info your bank/credit companies sell/share about your spending habits.

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nobody ever talks about that one and its almost everyone

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Ive bought over $4000 stuff from jbhifi over the past 5 years... they still cant send me ads relevant to my tastes

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:29 AM

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lol

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:29 AM

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https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/blob/master/Engine/Plugins/Runtime/NetworkPrediction/readme.txt

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:30 AM

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they just keep peddling those old logitech harmony remotes no one wants

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:30 AM

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//    Network Prediction Plugin
// -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
High level overview:
-This is a *WIP* plugin that aims to generalize and improve our player prediction systems.
-Long term we hope this replaces UCharacterMovementComponent and its networking system (ServerMove, ClientAck*, ClientAdjust*, etc).
-The GameplayAbility system will be updated to interop with this as well.
-NetworkPrediction plugin is the core generalized system that you need to enable to use anything.
    -For now at least, new movement classes built on top of this will live here but could one day be moved out into a dedicated movement system plugin.
-NetworkPredictionExtras plugin contains some examples that may be helpful in learning the system. It is not inteded to be used directly in shipping games.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:30 AM

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he wants to see cooking utensils

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:31 AM

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-We are not moving to a global fixed ticking system. Though these systems have huge advantages, we don't think it is a good universal solution for the engine.

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sadface

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I've seen the netprediction plugin but didn't realize they hope to replace cmc with that. curious how that'd work

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:31 AM

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there are some updates for this every now and then: https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commits/master/Engine/Plugins/Runtime/NetworkPrediction

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:32 AM

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yes lets replace the convoluted CMC with a more convoluted system, that'll work

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:32 AM

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only one this year so far

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:34 AM

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They need to start proper integration instead of all this side project stuff, it would make using them far easier. The issue isnt so much the implementation but the way you experience it within the editor

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:34 AM

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@pearl elk its supposed to be or become an abstracted replication system that can apply to pretty much anything

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the idea is good. implementation, I have no idea how it looks so far

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The current replication system is decent enough right now to be honest. I used to think it was too chatty but I realized I was just writing chatty code. a lot of shit doesn't need to be replicated

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example: netcode shouldn't give two shits what is spawning gibs or decals. The client can handle that deterministically and keep the channel clear

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one of many things I needed to clean up

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:38 AM

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They could streamline how replication works, right now its too needy from the user end. I want them to make some assumptions by default not expect me to explicitly state everything.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:38 AM

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not sure what you mean. do you mean, the way calling code uses it or how its opted in to?

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Its why I feel like Epic needs more people who work with dynamic languages over static

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:39 AM

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ah you mean all the boiler plate you still have to write

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it could be worse. Its c++. I'm just glad they generate the boilerplate that they do lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Id call it boiler plate but its more like a mountain of ovens

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:41 AM

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I know they'll never do this but I really wish they would do a fresh engine v5.0 primarily in c#. it is 100% feasible performance-wise and platform-wise now too

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go net core

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:41 AM

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I just want to focus on the design primarily but the way Epic does things always shifts the focus to technical over creative.

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You can see it in things like their Spline tool for landscapes, it works reasonably well but creatively the tool sucks because its so difficult to use.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Unity relies a lot on codegen now on their HPC# and DOTS

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to reduce the boilerplate

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:43 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/sour-cream-facial-moisturize-bonnie-lalich-cooking-show-gif-10752073

Tenor

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:43 AM

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but I don't really see UE4 for going to C#, ever

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:43 AM

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I'm on the technical side so I'm all like keep it coming lol

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nah, Epic will never go c#. I just wish they would

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:44 AM

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I also honestly don't get all the hate toward UE4's c++ macros

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:44 AM

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well for me Im okay with UE4 staying with C++ at that base layer but it needs to stop creeping into the editor where BP needs to be more dynamic.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:44 AM

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like do these people really want to write that boilerplate code themselves?

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:44 AM

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UE4 does a great job of simplifying using c++. Its actually pretty awesome. It just doesn't come close to c# for ease of use or iteration times. I'm partial though and I admit it lol

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yeah BP would have been primetime for c#

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I dunno, it's not that far behind

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bigger issue here is that UE4's API is so huge and badly documented

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that's what really slows down the c++ dev on this engine

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:46 AM

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yeah, intellisense tries to hang itself on lower end systems lol

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:46 AM

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and why BP's work so well

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only pain in c++ side is the totally unneeded header nonsense

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you shouldn't need to do that crap for game projects

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:46 AM

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I dont even bother with Epics documentation, I just use grep and learn from the code itself

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:47 AM

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ooh awesome thing though. I noticed they improved the APi docs a lot. I *love how they now have the header location right near the top of each page for every type

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that has saved me a lot of time

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:47 AM

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pretty sure the hierarchy was always on the api docs

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because that's mainly what I ever used it for

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:47 AM

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used to be buried at the bottom

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:47 AM

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nah it was missing for awhile

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Module    Engine
Header    /Engine/Source/Runtime/Engine/Classes/GameFramework/Actor.h
Include    #include "GameFramework/Actor.h"

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that is a nice touch right at the top

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:48 AM

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ah, I thought you meant the hierarchy view itself

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:49 AM

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https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/tree/master/Engine/Source/Editor/ClassViewer

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I think Im gonna use this to write a better one

zinc matrix Jan 29, 2020, 3:49 AM

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-Lakers-KOBE-BRYANT-Edition-Helicopter-3-5ch-Metal-World-Tech-Toy-/164052314130

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dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 3:50 AM

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that doesn't look authentic. Its in mint condition...

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ok thats the only joke I'll drop

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:52 AM

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$7.99 amazing value

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now only $227.50

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:53 AM

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I'm going to buy a new midi guitar.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 3:53 AM

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comfortably seats 7

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Though I should probably learn to play piano keys... But what fun is that...

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:54 AM

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how does midi guitar work?

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I'm guessing it's not something like 😄

📎 realistic-guitar-hero-red-rock-3d-model_D.png

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:55 AM

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https://jamstik.com/pages/studio-midi-guitar

Jamstik

Jamstik Studio MIDI Guitar

Introducing the Studio MIDI Guitar by Jamstik. A MIDI Guitar built for producers and guitarists with dual electric & MIDI Capabilities. Pre-order coming soon, subscribe to the email waitlist to reserve your spot in line.

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That's the new one I'm going to get.

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Right now I just have the small version.

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📎 jamstik_shopifyImage_14_2270b037-4ac6-4136-8ffb-36540663d10d.png

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I can take the small one on airplanes real easy.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I should probably get my DAW stuff reinstalled to this computer

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had fresh win10 install for few months but zero audio work

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can't wait to fight with VST DRMs again 😄

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all legit and bought, but that's actually what makes it pain

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 3:59 AM

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I don't know what all that other stuff does...

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I just have Kontakt. After that I had no music budget left.

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 4:00 AM

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I have way too many libs for my skill level

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it's so easy to go on hoarding that stuff, it's like games on steam

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:00 AM

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I just play with FM synthesis and things I'm bad at with DAWs

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I found a VST which emulates the OPL2 chip that was fun for a while :D

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 4:01 AM

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I wanted to buy the new massive from last sale but I know wouldn't really used it enough

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Well, if you have a nice enough instrument you can just play a few notes and let Kontakt instrument shine...

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I liked Reason around Reason 4 but its very expensive now. Always has been I guess

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:03 AM

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https://projectsam.com/libraries/swing/

But this is what I am going to buy after I finish my current videogame. I'm not going to expand my budget for new stuff until I finish my current project...

Don't want to go off on too many tangents...

ProjectSAM

vanderbake

Swing! - ProjectSAM

Swing! playfully brings together the worlds of jazz and film scoring with lively big band ensembles, a groovy rhythm section and an awesome set of solo lead instruments.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 4:04 AM

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There's Presonus that has a free version. Decent DAW

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Just don't get into the whole ProTools rabbit hole. Its a BS money trap

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 4:04 AM

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cakewalk is now free as well

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:04 AM

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I used Studio One a long time ago when I was recording actual instruments and singers.

Now I just have FL Studio.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 4:05 AM

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FL is decent too. A lot like reason.

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:05 AM

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I don't use even half of it... I just stick with it because I know where stuff is.

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Yep

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:06 AM

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I don't want to sink too much time into music production, not like I am trying to make an album or anything... I'm trying to make a videogame.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:06 AM

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I use Reason 10 but I'm pretty bad, mostly for fun really :D

dim ruin Jan 29, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Its up to v10 now?! Holy crap

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Been a while I guess lok

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:07 AM

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I think the latest is 11 :P

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I assign different instruments to different characters in my game and different melodies to different locations in my game.

Then I just record the different melodies with different Kontakt instruments and go into Unreal and make sound cues...

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So if the character who is the piano talks to you in the town, it will play the piano version of the town melody.

If the cello character is also part of the scene I will layer the cello over the piano.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:13 AM

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that's a cool idea

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I could probably do some basic soundscapes or something, just to fill the background with some noise... those are basic enough that even I could do something like that :D

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just find a nice sounding synth and hold a key down :p

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Bassoon.

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From a storytelling perspective, I am always looking for ways to attach colors and shapes and symbols or whatever else to my characters.

The kind of things 90% of people will only register subconsciously.

But I think that is an important key to getting players to connect with the story of the game.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:16 AM

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For some reason that made me think of characters from Jojo lol

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they often have a color and some type of shape or symbol attached to them

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Some people can just go out and be creative and make stuff that is interesting...

I personally have to go through a process that most people find boring and convoluted to get to the results I want.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:18 AM

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heh

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I think it's interesting if you can break down those kinds of things into a more of a process

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that probably makes it more repeatable and you can make more conscious choices about what you want to do

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:20 AM

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I spent a good amount of time working with my color wheel and trying to pick out what sections of the color wheel can represent each character.

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I didn't want to get deep into the project and end up with two characters with similar colors for no story related reasons.

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If two characters share a similar red, it has to be because they share a similar something in the story.

But then again, I'm insane.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:21 AM

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all bassoon users are

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:22 AM

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I can't play a bassoon... double reed instruments are hard...

I bought a VST library recorded from a good bassoon player.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:23 AM

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So you wernt born in insanity you merely inherited it

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:23 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-dLQoS5XEQ

YouTube

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They made a synthesizer for BABIES!

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I need this...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:25 AM

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LGR has been buying retro synths and stuff recently it seems

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I've been spending too much of my disposable income on cars lol

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Can you make music on a baby synth, Mr. Zomg?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:26 AM

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if a baby can then it would be kind of embarrassing if I couldn't 🤔

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Well, the upside to working in China is I'm not tempted to spend money on my car, since it is in the US.

I only drive it 2 or 3 months out of the year.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:28 AM

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heh

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:28 AM

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The downside being coronavirus...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:29 AM

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it sort of sounded to me like that's been somewhat exaggerated, something about how it's dangerous to mostly people who have poor immune systems like really old people and such

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:29 AM

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The virus doesn't worry me one little bit.

The way people act about the virus... that's the pain in the ass...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:29 AM

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ah :P

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Not sure when I am going back, my company is still closed for the holidays so I haven't gotten any word.

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I might end up in the states a bit longer, who knows...

I have my expensive computer and my ultrawide monitor in China though, so I have to go get those at least.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq2rUsUTL_0

This is what it is like going to the computer store in the US if you need to buy a power supply, Mr. Zomg.

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foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:43 AM

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interesting that even in the US it's not working out for them

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there used to be a lot of smaller ones here but nowadays not really, the one near here is a pretty big national retailer who also sells appliances, phones and other stuff too but they have a reasonably comprehensive PC selection too

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I guess in the US shipping from Amazon is faster and cheaper so people have even less of a reason to buy from a retailer

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:46 AM

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A lot of stuff around here seems to be going out of business because Amazon and Walmart are just demolishing everyone else.

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I had to get my power supply off Amazon.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:47 AM

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for this retailer it would probably take them a day or two to ship from their main warehouse if I needed something that they don't have on the shelf and I would still have to go pick it up from the store

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add 1-2 days if you wanted it shipped to your door

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(or more if over weekend)

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:47 AM

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The shopping mall I used to go to is now pretty much empty... There are literally 5 or 6 empty stores in between each open store.

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I'm sure if Mr. Floss was here he would be spouting some nonsense about how the US Economy is doing so well because of stock market this and stock market that...

But for the everyday people it looks to me like the economy is taking a giant dump...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:50 AM

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I don't know if it's taking a dump tbh, more like it's just changing at least when it comes to retail

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even with faster shipping I'd prefer going to a store tbh... because if I need to fix my PC I can just jump in my car and go buy the parts I need and I'm not gonna have to wait (unless it's the middle of the night like it was now lol)

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I took a dump once, I was back stage at a Metallica concert and I saw Lars heading towards the toilets...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:51 AM

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maybe your butt touched the same surface Lars' did

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you're almost a celebrity basically now

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I still have that turd in a jar

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:52 AM

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The thing is, people are losing jobs when these stores close down.

There are many new jobs to get, but they end up trading down from a 40 hour a week job with health insurance to a part time job without health insurance.

Which is a huge concern here in the US... you lose your health insurance if your company closes down and you no longer have a job.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:53 AM

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yeah it'll be interesting to see if there's gonna be any change in politics... which seems somewhat unlikely given historic events but who knows

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:54 AM

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And companies like Walmart are in the process of getting rid of 2/3rds of their full time positions in exchange for more part time minimum wage jobs and automation.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:54 AM

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they did a test here with "basic income", basically you'd get X amount of money regardless if you had a job or not etc.

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it sounded like it was a bit of a mixed result, but also that they were a bit hasty with it so hard to draw any real conclusions

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:56 AM

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They are literally having the people who have the full time jobs that make slightly above minimum wage compete with each other to keep the jobs they have had for years or even decades.

So it there are 10 managers making $15 an hour, which isn't great by any means, they now have to compete with each other for 2 jobs, and the other 8 get fired and have to find employment elsewhere...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:56 AM

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people spending money they dont have is great for the wealthy bankers

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:57 AM

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It is one of the most dystopian things I have ever heard...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Im surprised we arnt born with a debt cuz they charged the baby for the hospital bill

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Have you ever looked at how expensive it is to have a baby in the US?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:58 AM

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there's been similar scenarios in the past where certain industries die out but yeah it seems like it's happening in fairly large industries at the moment

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:58 AM

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I dont want my babies anywhere near the US

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Walmart had 5% growth last year. Walmart is the one winning and putting other businesses out of business.

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I would understand if the guys going out of business were the one cutting the full time jobs.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 4:59 AM

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I think they misspelt Warmart

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 4:59 AM

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it's interesting because in the US you have fairly large concentrations of people in one place, so you would imagine even more niche retailers could operate there

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it's harder for them to operate here for example because there's much less potential customers nearby

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:01 AM

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This is why you gotta go mobile... food vans

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:01 AM

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I really don't know. It is going to be damn hard to compete with companies like Walmart and Amazon when the government not only subsidises the pay of their emplyees through food stamps and low income housing, but also doesn't require them to pay taxes...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:02 AM

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it's funny about food vans because it's apparently really hard to operate one here :D

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there's so many laws and regulations that it's really hard to follow the laws and be allowed to operate

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for example, a restaurant may be allowed to serve beer.. but only indoors! if they have an outdoor patio area, you might not be allowed to take your beer outside :D

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Walmart doesn't pay enough, so in return tax payers have to pay for welfair programs to support the people Walmart won't pay decent.

Then Walmart makes a shit ton of money, and doesn't give anything back to the tax payers.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:04 AM

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so what you do right is park your food van in one of the aisles at walmart then you can serve beer

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:04 AM

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lol

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Is that the Australian way?

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There is an Australian food truck in Shenzhen.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:05 AM

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well time to go plug in my car's heater so it won't be annoyingly cold in two hours when I need to go PSU shopping :P

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:05 AM

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you can buy brew kits here without an ID so I guess it is the Australian way

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:06 AM

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It is weird, I have to actually get in my car to go get food here...

I'm so used to having the scooter guy deliver my food to me...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:07 AM

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you get a free side of coronavirus with every order over $10

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Yup.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:07 AM

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I bet you ate fried batwings last night

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:08 AM

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I don't think they have that here...

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I bought a computer chair once, and then it didn't fit in my car... So I had to return it to the store...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:10 AM

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why didnt the scooter guy deliver the chair?

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTnA9QDLQy1jFnFlhmHxWRJk-tHzcv2Cuwt8tmK5wPG4iVPR8eN

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:10 AM

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No scooter guy in the US...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:11 AM

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sounds like a business opportunity... on ya bike

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:11 AM

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I'm going to try a US pizza... I'll ask them if they have roast duck.

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Did you ever see my motorcycle, Mr. Olympus?

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:12 AM

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTUb7V37zuBNKgUifUVnYSryS_Ju5_cQYkZd4__YJPrWunGE__a

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does it look like this?

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:13 AM

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📎 29492_120163251355466_2353578_n.jpg

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:13 AM

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soft tail aye

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:14 AM

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That's a V4 Honda Magna. They don't make those anymore.

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I always liked the sound over the VTwin engine... not sure why.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:14 AM

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQQdPGvjcZ_S5KARXoNAOW5m3eNfKRoctUWr5aciqjdmVubdqz3

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got one of these in the shed, not mine though

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:15 AM

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That's a twin, right? Hard to tell without seeing the other side of the bike.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:18 AM

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2019 Breakout

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thats the base model though the actual bike looks different

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Ooooo... PizzaHut has buffalo wings...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:21 AM

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but yeah its a twin 1,868 cc

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:21 AM

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That's a lot more ccs than I could ever need...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:22 AM

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lol yeah I would kill myself on somethin like that. The Quad is only 360

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lol dunno why I capitalised that

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dun dun dun..

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:22 AM

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The V4s have 2 pipes on both sides.

My motorcycle is a 750cc.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:23 AM

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yeah more of a cruiser

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:24 AM

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It was actually crazy fast. The Magna is actually closer to one of Honda's sport bike engines, but put on a cruiser body and tuned differently.

Faster than I would ever want to go anyways...

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I was never able to truly use the full power of that thing, and I was young and stupid when I bought it...

Now I'm old and prefer my slow car...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:25 AM

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yeah its not like speed limits let you really unload even the smallest motors

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saw a guy test driving his whipple supercharged Mustang GT... in a 40mph zone, I was like duuude dem feels lol

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I usually drive pretty carefully and yet I have a V8 lol

analog nova Jan 29, 2020, 5:26 AM

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magnas are sick

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:26 AM

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a friend described someone in a fast car driving slowly as a "speed troll"

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Even just going full acceleration on that thing was insane...

Obviously 2020 me wouldn't stand a chance at using it to its full potential, because I am old and boring... But it still surprises me that the young stupid version of myself could never really max that thing out.

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I love the sound of the Magna, Mr. Pez.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Hey if theres a way to go on a bike going fast would be one of em

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I almost died 8 times.

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So I decided to stop.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Ive got a mate whos written off 3 bikes and owns another 3 atm lol

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:28 AM

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you sound like a friend of mine... he's been having some nervous system problems and he thinks it might be because he hurt himeslf so many times on bikes when young :P

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fastest bike I've owned was limited to 45 kph lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:29 AM

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I guess thats why I enjoy the quadbike it tops out around 75kmph

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:29 AM

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I hit a pool of water that had flooded the road at 50 mph once... the water was deep enough to reach the headlight of the motorcycle...

It was like I had hit a wall without the bloody death part, and somehow the bike just kept going... fully submerged...

Crazy shit, I should have died that day.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:29 AM

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fast enough to have fun, not fast enough to end up a quad

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Fastest I have gone in my life has been 175kph... I could never bring myself to push it any further on a motorcycle with no wind shielding...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Ive done over 220 in a car lol, I dont ride bikes much so 😛

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:33 AM

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I went about 160kph on one of those tall overpasses way about the highway, with a steep curve. I couldn't physically get my body to push the bike any further than that, it just wouldn't do it.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:33 AM

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I did 220 in my car, on the highway here... it was kinda scary because the highway here is not exactly flat :p

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:33 AM

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I doubt my car can go 220kph...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:33 AM

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mine's limited to 250 but I've heard it might do around 320 with the limiter removed

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:33 AM

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it was a v8 commode VS SS

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yeah once you get fast enough you aint watching the speedo

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:34 AM

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I only have a V6, I figured going up to the V8 would have been a waste of money for my lifestyle.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:34 AM

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V8s sound awesome but yeah, not alot of places to use them realistically unless you get something that can offroad

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Even if the engine could do 220kph, I don't think I would want to do that without making some upgrades to other parts of the car.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I got a straight 6 which would do about 180-200

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I might be odd, but I would rather be able to push my engine a little bit than have a V8 and feel like I am constantly giving it zero of its potential...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:36 AM

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thing with newer motors is those alloy heads, tend to warp and can blow chunks

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I kinda like just having it because it's fun to know you could go really fast if you wanted lol

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I would want to do some upgrades to the frame of my car before I would even try racing the thing. It feels a bit loose at high speeds, if you know what I mean...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:37 AM

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lol ahh speed wobbles

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:38 AM

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mine's got the sports chassis from the factory, comes with less comfortable suspension and bigger brakes so it seems fairly stable

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even if it's a pretty old one by now

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I'm sure it could go fast if I put the money into it... but then... RTX 3000 series... Midi guitars...

Think of how many Megascans I could buy with that money...

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O wait... those are free now.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:39 AM

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lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Megacams

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:40 AM

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One time I went a month without going into reverse with my car...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:40 AM

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I'm gonna use the ultimate bread thing for my game, the only food you can eat in it is gonna be bread and rectangular gray boxes

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:41 AM

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My transmission was being total shit and I couldn't shift into reverse or anything... I was certain I was going to have to buy a new transmission...

Then one day it just started working again and has been totally fine for 2 years...

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:41 AM

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heh

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I heard that my car's transmission might get some problems around the mileage I have on it... randomly go into limp mode, cost something like 1500 to fix it

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it's been fine so far so hope it's not gonna do that :p

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I've saved up the money now, just waiting for it to happen.

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But perfectly fine so far. I think having money makes it work.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:43 AM

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I have the money but I'd still hate to spend 1500 on something like that :D

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been looking for a new car but sadly the ones I really like are a bit outside of my budget right now, especially as dealers really don't want to give a fair price for my car because it's too "special" for them

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:44 AM

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I didn't have the money back when mine was breaking... one of the big reasons I decided to skip the country and go to China.

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I don't plan on buying a new car until gasoline powered vehicles are made obsolete.

I hate car payments, and I doubt I will ever just have enough cash laying around to buy one outright... If I had that kind of money I would be putting it toward other things.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:46 AM

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depending on what sort of financing terms you get it would make sense to invest that money anyway (although I recall you don't particularly want to do that)

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at least here you can get cars financed with pretty cheap interest rates

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I could put the money toward hiring an animator for my next game project.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I have trouble finding cars I want with the features I want and the right colour, its always one of these things or two at best. Its like, Im not buying an SUV just to get lane change assist I want that feature on the turbo charged sports car damnnit 😛

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:47 AM

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that's exactly my problem monsium

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I really want a recent'ish C class coupe, but all of the ones with the specs I want are C class wagons no thx

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 5:49 AM

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I want an animator.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Yeah I dunno why they skimp out on the cheaper coupes interiors so much when the cheap SUVs have all the shit

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:52 AM

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There's one which is really nice but the dealer gave me such a shitty trade in price for my CLK that I'm like naaahhh

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so I bookmarked the vehicle to see if they can't get it sold and usually that means they might be willing to come down on the price lol

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I could probably sell the CLK myself and get a much better value but it's really inconvenient as I would need to buy something else to get around while waiting for the perfect one I actually want :P

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:53 AM

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I wish I could afford a Challenger SRT but theyre just too much

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:55 AM

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pretty much all of those are outside my price range lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Even the Grand Cherokee with the Hemi in it here is super expensive, the motor alone adds 30k to the price

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Im gonna get a Monaro I rekon and put a newer LS in it

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:57 AM

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those are pretty cool

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never seen one here, I know they sold those as Vauxhalls but not sure what happens in Opel-country

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I might be able to add a few newer features to it by gutting the interior

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well Opel sell the Commodore, basically the same thing but a 4 door. I think they even sold the HSV type model the W1

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 5:59 AM

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oh yeah it's the Insignia

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looks like the Monaro was a UK Vauxhall exclusive

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I guess they didn't want to do it as a LHD

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 5:59 AM

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yeah thats the new one, thats why Holden stopped selling em cuz GM doesnt own Opel anymore so they had to pay licensing fees

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We had the Astras here under Holden too

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One day I will own a Vette and a Challenger, cant wait... I will probably die in one of em 😛

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:03 AM

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lol

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a lot of the cool cars from when I was younger are getting expensive nowadays

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apparently 10 years ago you could get an NSX for like 30k and now they're three times as much

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:04 AM

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yeah some definitely are, then again some older cars arnt worth it now with newer technology

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Ive seen some cool chassis swaps but whats the point, if you dont have 4 wheel discs and whatnot its easier just to buy a newer car

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I remember thinking the Toyota MR2 looked cool, now Im kinda like meh lol

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I used to have a Ford Falcon XD, I thought it was a piece of crap just a big white tissue box and even those are catching a decent price now.

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRFVYvnEljmL7JMOOFUuW6VCa1_p1xIRwXTUapOM2-gPsnuCwRd

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those ones didnt have 4 wheel discs until the XF few years later, this model didnt even have power steering. Felt like driving a tank

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:10 AM

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heh

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:10 AM

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT05YkAvPbuBQrJVni48NtILk2nazYu5NMKiujkYBbDvvt7w4t6

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much rather drive this than work on the Ford

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:10 AM

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I drove my friend's old mazda with no power steering once... it was alright once you got up to speed but annoying to park

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Well that Ford is very wide thats why it sucks, people like em for the big engine bay to turn em into drag cars

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Never understood the fascination with driving really fast in a short straight line

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:14 AM

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:D

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Bathurst is a great track

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Theres so many cool roads around, very few straight flat ones

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Im very much a fan of awd systems, traction control and the like, especially when Im driving next to a 200m cliff face 😛

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:16 AM

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lol

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most roads here are sorta boring tbh, decent scenery in summer but otherwise not that interesting unless you're doing so much over the speed limit that the fine would be rather large...

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which is partially why I like cars that have some power but are nice for just cruising

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Yeah as much as I like supercars and exotics they arnt hugely practical unless you have a garage on your yatch

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:19 AM

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my friend who lives on the Isle of Man (no speed limits...) is always egging me to buy a Focus RS lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:19 AM

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I saw a concept of one of those jacked up like an offroad bug, it looked really mean

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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=286469448979073

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this is hilarious

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:20 AM

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heh

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I bet that would probably be just fine if he had winter tires

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:20 AM

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you can do it

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:20 AM

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as long as the snow banks don't get too high

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Did you see the 2020 Corvette with no wheels in Detroit?

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obviously someone left it cuz it got snowed in and boom, gone

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I know they test the Porsche and Mercedes-AMG cars for example in northern finland and sweden to ensure they are workable in freezing temps :D

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although I never see those in winter :P

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nah did not see that

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I could see why an SUV or cross would be more useful in snow

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:22 AM

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It kinda depends on where you live I guess... I live in the city/suburbs and our winter maintenance here is fairly good, so you don't really need ground clearance

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even though we usually get tons of snow

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my RWD 400hp V8 is just fine as a winter car for example :D

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I wasn't sure if it would be when I bought it...

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but it's fine :P

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:23 AM

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sedans tend to have decent clearance anyway, I have a BRZ and that thing has no clearance at all lol

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Guess who just got pizza...

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:23 AM

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yeah the HP probably comes in handy with the right tyres

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:24 AM

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yeah the BRZ probably has a bit less

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I mostly drive my BA Falcon cuz its easier to cruise, the BRZ has like 20,000 ks on it

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:25 AM

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those seem pretty fun, I've been meaning to test drive one to see if I'd like one for myself but there's never any for sale near here

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:25 AM

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amazing handling and well balanced just no guts, was looking at upgrading to a 2020 model which has a turbo

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its going to get the Outbacks motor

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:26 AM

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it's something like 7 seconds 0 to 100 tho isn't it? that's probably enough for my use lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:26 AM

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try that up hill though

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Finland is reasonably flat :D

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:27 AM

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they are definitely cheap to run and the tyres, Ive not changed them once in 5yrs

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:27 AM

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I'm surprised I haven't had to get new winter tires for the CLK... I've been powersliding it all over the place in winter, I guess the snow and ice reduces tire wear enough for it to not be a problem lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:28 AM

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amazingly balanced car, Ive heard that people even prefer driving it to the new Supra which has more power so once it has a similar output it'll probably end up out selling those.

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Yeah being Australian I know nothin of snow and ice, gravel and dirt however 😛

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I used to have a Ford Puma which was lots of fun, I suspect a BRZ or GT86 would be similar

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(the old Puma was a small coupe, not a crossover like the new one)

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Ive seen that sludge that dirt and snow make in the rallys, Im so glad I dont have to contend with that and pockets of ice on the asphalt

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:30 AM

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it's not really much of a big deal when you're used to it and have good tires

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but every year there's always people having accidents when the first snow and ice comes, even though it happens every year :P

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:31 AM

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yeah bad drivers are all year around, snow and ice probably just helps weed them out

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Cant remember seeing anything like the Ford Puma here, the front looks familiar but mostly from hatchbacks like the Fiesta. We didnt get the Chevy Cobalt either

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 6:37 AM

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I just unsubbed my Megascans

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got plenty of points in store now

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they are not free for everyone :p

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:37 AM

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yeah the Puma is based on the Fiesta

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had a revvy Yamaha engine and a cooler design :D

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:41 AM

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lol reminds me of the smart cars with the hayabusa engines

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:42 AM

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it wasn't that mad lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:43 AM

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I saw an LS swapped Toyota 86, was so tempted to do it to the BRZ but it costs about as much as the car did lol

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because they use the Boxer engine its on its side which gives room for the small block V8

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Would probably be pretty hard to get something like that to pass vehicle inspections here lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:45 AM

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https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/streetmachine/2018/02/28/Misc/Toyota-86-V8-LS-6.0-nw.jpg

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fits pretty nice tbh

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but thats just madness in such a light car

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:47 AM

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there's a japanese minivan which had the same engine as in the 350Z as one of its engine options

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:47 AM

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even in a Holden ute you dont have enough weight over the rear so this thing would be madness

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:47 AM

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those might be fun lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 6:47 AM

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bwahaha, that was the fastest production car at one point

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 6:54 AM

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welp time to go buy a PSU and hope that I correctly diagnosed the problem and won't have to buy something else instead :P

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 8:11 AM

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well okay the PSU was definitely fried.. but now the BIOS says I only have 8 GB of RAM installed...

north torrent Jan 29, 2020, 8:12 AM

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That's not enough.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 8:13 AM

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yeah it's missing 24 GB :P

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I hope it's just being weird because I tried to do a CMOS reset

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...now it's trying to fix my failed hard drive which I would have removed if I knew which one it is and that's taking ages lol

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goddamnit windows 10 trying to be too smart for your own good... not even giving me an option to skip this...

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time to pull disks by trial and error I guess :p

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 8:30 AM

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for older cars, engine swaps can be quite trivial, for any more modern car you'll be in trouble

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here in finland that is

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for legal side that is

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getting things to fit is another thing

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and of course you can't put way more powerful engine from the factory into car model that never had any config near that power level

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so, I guess not as trivial after all

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for weaker hp cars, it's really stupid law because there's different limit for swapping the whole engine vs what you can tune out of the engine that's installed

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for latter, there's weight / power ratio

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and for swapping, you always compare to higher power variant for that car model and can put +20% extra or something like that

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 8:33 AM

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okay good the 8 GB RAM was just a glitch, back in Windows and it's all there now :P

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for a moment I was worried the PSU had fried majority of my RAM along with it but thankfully no

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 8:37 AM

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yeah the electronics harness in new cars is the issue when doing swaps. In an older car which doesnt have one its easy just to install one to match your config

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The dash in my BA is actually part of the entire stereo headunit, all the AC, immobilizer is wired into that computer so to put an aftermarket stereo in I had to leave the original stacker in there

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I highly recommend just replacing all that stuff if youre going to do an engine swap 😛

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 8:40 AM

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yeah it's same with german stuff... like mercedes stuff is all super integrated

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I think even the speakers in the car are running on the optical data bus that's some mercedes thing..

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 8:40 AM

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oh thats cool though optical data bus is snazzy, much better than zillions of wires

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 8:42 AM

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I don't really know from own experience but I heard something like that is in there :D

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 8:42 AM

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my BA is just one big mess of wires under everything since its fully electronic, its not even that new either. Id hope newer cars are more like the Merc rather than a dedicated line for everything

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I coulda got a harness to wire the aftermarket stereo into the steering wheel controls... $200 just for the harness, the head unit cost me $130 lol

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 8:51 AM

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wonder if it's really that complicated

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I mean a button on the steering wheel is just a button :D

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Its because the harness for steering wheel controls is like a universal dongle to support all cars so alot of development went into it. I kinda get it but its not worth that much to me when I can just press the buttons on the headunit

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 8:56 AM

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new cars are insane with the electronics

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I did completely new wiring for my hobby project car in one night, had only bunch of wire reels at the beginning

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and that happened through night because I had to get the car inspected within few days from that moment and still didn't have a) any windows installed b) motor in car

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I had a permit for some bigger modifications that was about to expire and it got really close to the deadline 😄

ancient ingot Jan 29, 2020, 8:59 AM

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cars are overrated, bicycles ftw! 😛

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 9:00 AM

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even bicycles these days have crazy electronic wiring harnesses 😛

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I got three wheeled electric bike too 😄

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I wanna get an electric dirt bike they look so much fun

ancient ingot Jan 29, 2020, 9:00 AM

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yup but mines just pure pedal power, still cost £1200 though 😮

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 9:01 AM

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as long as it's not fwd

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📎 FWDsucks.png

ancient ingot Jan 29, 2020, 9:01 AM

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lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 9:02 AM

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direct drive is pretty hardcore

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I remember thinkin it was the shit when I had an 18 speed mountain bike

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 9:23 AM

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had to be done.

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foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

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I kinda wanna get a direct drive wheel for simracing... but I don't have space for a bigger simrig thing which it would inevitably require

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I like NFS Heats patch notes, added support for racing wheels... cuz thats not something you expect out of the box for a racing game

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 9:38 AM

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lol :P

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tbh I don't know if I'd even bother playing more arcadey racing games with a wheel...

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 9:40 AM

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I once played gran turismo in a seated frame with wheel, pedals and stick. It was exactly like driving a car. Which ironically, is about the price of the rig I played in.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 9:42 AM

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the newer GT games are probably fairly authentic

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I don't know how it compares to say iRacing or something though since the last GT I played was GT2 :P

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:05 AM

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I've tried Forzas on wheel

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they are horrible

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it's super obvious they are designed to be played with a gamepad

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at least Horizon series

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not sure if I ever tried Forza Motorsport on wheel

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Live for Speed works really well on wheel, it feels really like you'd imagine it would feel in reality at least for some of the vehicles, you rarely get that kind of feel on racing games

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Project Cars 1 was horrible, it didn't resemble real life driving in any way

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:09 AM

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iRacing's pretty solid, I think it's considered to be one of the if not the most realistic sim currently

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I like Project Cars 2 at least, it feels authentic but it's not quite on iRacing level I think... but it has a lot of really fun to drive cars

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:09 AM

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I think I've only tried pcars 2 briefly with a pad

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I used to play LFS back in the S1 and S2 days but I think it's a bit dated today even with S3 :)

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:10 AM

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but it did handle so much better even on pad vs the first game

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the main reason I haven't even tried iRacing is the bloody sub

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:10 AM

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tbh I'm really surprised they even reached S3... the project seemed like it just died completely

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:11 AM

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yeah it didn't really go that well 😄

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I think I only got S1+S2 license

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and S3 makes zero sense with the content it has

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:11 AM

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yeah, the sub thing and buying cars and tracks is a bit weird about iRacing, but if you want competitive online racing I think it's pretty much the best thing out there

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Assetto Corsa Competizione might offer some competition for it but I haven't tried it yet

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:11 AM

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sure, but it would also require the very thing I hate about games: you have to play it a lot and regularly

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I prefer games that I can pick up when I want and then just stop if it doesn't feel fun anymore

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subscription based things make you feel obligated to play or you paid for nothing

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:12 AM

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yeah, I haven't been subbed to iRacing for months now but I'll probably go back to it when I feel the itch again :D

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:12 AM

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I truly hate that model

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:13 AM

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the really cool thing about it was that you might race against real racing car drivers sometimes

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I was driving GT3 cars and from time to time you'd have some guys who race those things in real life

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:13 AM

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aren't those the worst? 😄

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I still remember one semirecent case where such got banned

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:14 AM

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yeah there's been a few cases where pro racers get salty and then ram people lol

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it's kinda funny

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:14 AM

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one game that works really well on wheel is the original flatout 1

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that game has most arcade physics model ever

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but it's really responsive on wheel

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one does not know what they miss if they play it on gamepad

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Wreckfest is apparently like that too although I haven't played it myself

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:15 AM

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yeah it has solid wheel support

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flatout 2 and UC and their ridge racer unbound were clearly for gamepads only

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wreckfest has had so many different handling models

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they changed their vehicle dynamics really many times throughout the development

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their initial setup was really nice, they stuck with it for long until they went more physically based models and it took them forever to get them dialed in

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 10:18 AM

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wonder if the latest carmageddon game is any good

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I hear mixed things but I have fond memories of carma 2

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:D

stiff crystal Jan 29, 2020, 10:19 AM

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I'd expect it to be full trash

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and apparently I also have it on my steam library 😄

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it does have positive steam reviews at least

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Did everyone notice that Digital Homicide "Studios" is back for another run? Im not sure why they didn't change the name (except for the fact those guys are complete and utter morons).

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:07 AM

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You should support my company Digital Fomocide

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:17 AM

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never heard of those

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 11:20 AM

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@fluid bloom they made the worst games on steam for the while. Then tried to sue Jim Sterling for defamation of character and lost.

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:20 AM

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oh that

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I saw the video Sterling made

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it was hilarious

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 11:21 AM

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yeah they just resurfaced and the first thing they did, was write 3 blog posts slating Jim again.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:25 AM

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theyd wanna be careful cuz if they go too far Jim might have a case against them

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:41 AM

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blowing on rust wont get rid of it

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:41 AM

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I'm simple man, I see Rust I downvote.

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:42 AM

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I'd take rust over C++ any day

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I'd take rust over nodejs shit apps any day

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Id take Julia

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Ah, Julia, once I made her run for awhile.

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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dynamically typed

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blergh

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Haven't checked out her since years.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Julia is so cool she doesnt need Python

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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She is self-sufficient then...

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:44 AM

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the best part of Rust is that once it compiles it works 😛

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barring logic errors in your code

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:45 AM

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best part of Rust is you dont have to use it

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:45 AM

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I did a project for a client with it

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it was awesome

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Im sure its better than C++ but thats not saying much 😛

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:45 AM

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it's better than most languages out there

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:45 AM

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cept for Julia hehe

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Rust actually has a comprehensive enough type system to be "if it compiles it works"?

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM

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No language can save bad coder.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM

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type system in Julia is so good it just works

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM

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rust compiler even tells you if you try to use some variable after it's freed

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM

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square peg, round hole... Julia is like no warios

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM

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it even refuses to compile if you try to write a threaded system with data races

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:47 AM

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that's useful

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:47 AM

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when you get it correct it compiles

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Haskell is the only one I've used which goes that far

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:47 AM

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also: no nulls

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which is awesome

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instead you just use the Option type

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:48 AM

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does it have functors

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or other functional nonsense

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:48 AM

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The thread reasoning was interesting, but the rest does not sound impressive.

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optional you can have in many ways.

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:48 AM

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I'm not going to list out all features 😄

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@foggy path by functors you mean the traditional map, filter etc functions?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:49 AM

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a functor is an abstraction over something that you can map over

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:50 AM

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https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/parallel-computing/

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:50 AM

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the type system doesn't support higher kinded types yet so that might be a problem 🤔

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I'm not sure really

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:50 AM

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ah

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Nah, I don't mind really, but is just... hype. Gonna check it out after 10 years.

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:51 AM

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@cursive crypt big plus over c++ is that rust has build and dependency management tools out of box

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:51 AM

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What is this?

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:51 AM

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How to make your Haskell code parallelised: put par in front of your function call lol

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:51 AM

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cargo https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:51 AM

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That sounds fine for simple use cases.

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The par.

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Anything more complex, more performant and you gonna want to be out of it.

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Aah, such package management.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:52 AM

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yeah there's a lot of options, the nice thing is that the compiler can parallelize really easily if your functions are pure

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Hmm... not sure.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:52 AM

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you can basically just tell it hey can you make this use more cores thx :P

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:52 AM

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I like Haskell btw, except its weird syntax somehow, but at the end - okayish.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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you get used to it :D

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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@foggy path what if you pass shared state to pure functions?

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Yeah, likely 🙂

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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I like that it's very expressive, and the whole "if it compiles it works" concept

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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that's not easy to parallelize by the compiler

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impossible even

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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passing shared state to a pure function doesn't really change anything because if the function is pure it can't change the state

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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sure

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Rust type system would force you to use atomically ref counted stuff and mutex locks for the data in that case for example

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really depends on what you'd want to do tbh

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:54 AM

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ahm.. don't like to be forced.

fluid bloom Jan 29, 2020, 11:54 AM

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enjoy data races then 😛

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 AM

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yeah with haskell you have some abstractions over that as well, software transactional memory and stuff

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 AM

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Julia wont force you, she'll caress you

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 AM

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it does have the usual lower level things like mutexes and such too if you want to use them

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 AM

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You see, you can trade off. So its up to the programmer. Basic coding, okay.

foggy path Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 AM

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one cool thing that came from Haskell is the QuickCheck library

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it makes automated testing super simple because you effectively just define some rules a function has to follow, and it generates test data automatically

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 12:43 PM

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survey shows most dutch kids/teens want to become an influencer

tidal ivy Jan 29, 2020, 12:44 PM

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it's the new footballer

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work that doesn't seem like work + millionaire

carmine frigate Jan 29, 2020, 12:45 PM

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hmm i wanted supreme dictatorship over the planet

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still do btw

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the progress is slow tho

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thought id be half way by now

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 12:47 PM

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well Hitler was pretty influential

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Einstein on the other hand, took him ages to convince the scientific community he wasnt a looney

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQL0RMwR1WYHsNOWQYNaiFVWtDgi4VbVjOcSa-cHh3MN2ekxr1F

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I like this guy 😛

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 12:55 PM

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we had this awesome breakfast/lunch place me and gf often went to, owner decided to make all their food instagrammable

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<_<

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 12:55 PM

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I saw a place that gives 10% off if you put your phone on a rack and dont touch it the entire time youre there

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 12:55 PM

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which basically mean, throw shitloads of candy on top of all the things

topaz patrol Jan 29, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Not mine but wanted to share this: https://youtu.be/00H08fRdJwA

YouTube

Oliver Jones

trestestestsest

asdf

▶ Play video

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 12:56 PM

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lol

finite lark Jan 29, 2020, 12:58 PM

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how are you guys doing?

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:00 PM

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What is rusted?

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WhatsApp?

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Everything can be hacked.

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:10 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

One-time pad

In cryptography, the one-time pad (OTP) is an encryption technique that cannot be cracked, but requires the use of a one-time pre-shared key the same size as, or longer than, the message being sent. In this technique, a plaintext is paired with a random secret key (also refer...

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not everything

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:13 PM

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w/o reading it I would say you might be right, but hacking is not only math.
Example, you want to transfer that message between two people that can't be hacked - fine.
No need, whoever wants it will just go install a camera behind the monitor or just slap twice one of the users and will again take it.

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:14 PM

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hm but if I guess the key correctly won't I crack it then?

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:14 PM

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If you look below the box in the kitchen, maybe 🙂

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:14 PM

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lots of cpu hacks these days which can get at the unencrypted data

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:16 PM

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This too, not everything is so safe or whatsoever.
Real world example of one person, she studied security, the company she wanted to enter tasked her to break their systems. That corporate firewall, the company (I wont mention) is really big and most people heard of it. Took her 2 weeks to break in. They hired her. Encryptions, vpns, ssh, blah... whatever.

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:18 PM

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that's quite the test

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:18 PM

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I'm not into that field, but yeah - was interesting eye opener.

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:18 PM

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@cursive crypt thats not hacking. Thats espionage

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:19 PM

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At the end, information matters. You might be right for the term.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:19 PM

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biological hacks

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people are weak, exploit them 😛

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:19 PM

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biological hacks sounds like something that requires an axe

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:19 PM

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chainsaw is more effective

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:19 PM

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I used to believe everything could be hacked until one-time pad appeared. Most encryption is just a matter of processing and time.

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I mean I can hack your account to if I threaten to kill you with my axe unless you tell me your password waffleThink

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:20 PM

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you could but im a bad ass and would jiu-jitsu you and sit on the back of your head until the cops arrived :p

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Depends, how much ATK/DEF/HP you both have.

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:21 PM

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(im not a bad ass btw, but he doesnt know that 😄 )

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:21 PM

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I hacked your panic room

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:21 PM

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I have a bad back, -2 to bend

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Sore neck, -1 DEX

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:22 PM

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my stats are pretty low, but I guess my resistances are fairly high. I haven't been sick in years so +10 to RES

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:22 PM

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I chop wood every winter, +5 axeness

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:22 PM

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I once got pneumonia and pluracy and was roughly 6 hours away from death, and it took me another 13 years to get sick after that. I used to joke about it.

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wanna know what got me sick? Picking up my daughter from school. Virulent bastards

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:23 PM

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lol

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:23 PM

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bewares of the coronas

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https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-virus-virus-sxlpranks-data-lost-gif-11998239

Tenor

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:24 PM

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well there's 4 confirmed cases of that in germany now, so guess I'll die

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they're also VERY close

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:25 PM

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glad I am mostly a hermit :p

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sadly gf works at a hospital

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if I get sick, its often trough what she brings home :p

hazy delta Jan 29, 2020, 1:25 PM

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well there goes all of your hermit bonus out of the window

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"honey I'm home"
"did you bring the chicken?"
"no, but I got some ebola for you"

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:26 PM

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if this is the big virus that takes out half the planet, I just want you to know.... it's been emotional. As I am immuno-compromised already :/

cursive crypt Jan 29, 2020, 1:26 PM

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@deep glen I doubt its worse than your gf is kindergarden teacher. Haven't seen so much colds & flus for whole my life in terms of 2 years.

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:26 PM

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hehe

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I have 5 kids. 3 goto school. I don't often get a break from some throat tickle or full on snot-fest.

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:27 PM

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oh so you have minions to protect

fathom wadi Jan 29, 2020, 1:27 PM

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aye

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I shall protect them by storing all the locations of my hippy friends who have allotments to grow their own "post-nuclear veggies", just in case we need to go shopping for un-infected foods.

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mind you, with all the genetic modification that Monsanto have pushed on the world, even thats not safe anymore

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Yes my corporation has been busy

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:38 PM

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So there is gay individuals sending me pms on Instagram

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What I did

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Whyyyyy

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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because you hot hev

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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because youre a sexy piece of man meat

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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^5's mons

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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And why attract the gender I'm not looking for

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@pearl elk xD

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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gay men tend to have female friends, keep that in mind

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you might find theyre better wingmen

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Fun fact I have no pics of me there

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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just take the compliment and move on hehe

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Other than profile

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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unless they pay for access to your instagram right? :p

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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XD

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Hevedy the straight influencer for gay men

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it can be your angle

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:41 PM

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So make a patreon could be an idea then 🤔

carmine frigate Jan 29, 2020, 1:41 PM

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we are all here for the hevedy hotness 😛

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Yeah sure thing

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:42 PM

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just sitting here with no pants on Hevs lounge hehe

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Red cross and these always stop me on streets to try sell me something

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:42 PM

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so youre a gay vampire

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Seems like I have face of good/stupid person that you can sell

deep glen Jan 29, 2020, 1:42 PM

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when people on the streets try to sell me something I just say "sorry I have a spamfilter installed, have a nice day"

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:42 PM

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XD

carmine frigate Jan 29, 2020, 1:43 PM

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ow damn u guys are from the streets

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i heared thats hardcore

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Once someone call me to home and wanted to sell me oranges, in order to help no idea what kids

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:43 PM

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you shoulda said you only buy apples

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Told I don't want and the reply was something like
"So you give a shit about the kids"?

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And my reply after 15mins of the woman trying me to buy was

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Yeah I give a shit about the oranges, the kids and everyone

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Goodbye

pearl elk Jan 29, 2020, 1:44 PM

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how much did they want for the kids?

median wraith Jan 29, 2020, 1:44 PM

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XD

soft night Jan 29, 2020, 1:47 PM

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MonsSchool where everything isnot free