you mean hieroglyphs?
#lounge
fluid bloom
ebon onyx
Could just mean he wants textures produced by people living in Egypt.
hazy delta
maybe he just wants textures of sandstone and desert sand and thinks egypt has the monopoly on that
lusty portal
Lol stuff like hieroglyphics, paintings, walls, stuff you would see inside an egyptian tomb.
ebon onyx
Naturally grown, organic textures straight from Egypt.
median wraith
How awesome are the wiki pages that from one language to other total change ?
I just read Sims 3 is made with Cryengine on the spanish wiki awesome xd
pearl elk
its made with the spanish version of cryengine
alpine fern
pearl elk
spaniards are smart it would seem, they know the difference between a motor and an engine 😛
soft night
motor gringo
median wraith
okay tried myself who made that
The moment Google translates to spanish cry even as "ejaculation"
My eyes are ....
and for some reason translates cry as scream on first instance
but yeah engine is motor
motor for car or motor for game engine is the same
had an alike topic with someone from germany back in the time +🤔
pearl elk
llamado del deber
deep glen
lmao del hurrdurr
pearl elk
laughing your anxiety off?
deep glen
tried to write your sentence in my best spanish :p
pearl elk
rogar deber
median wraith
And for some reason now translates everything in feminine on first instance as well
Must be some equality thing
pearl elk
operaciones de unicornio arcoiris
deep glen
Twitter
pearl elk
You want to make one person God, good luck with that
foggy path
pull request based development seems to be the cool thing to do now
which is probably sort of what you described tbh
deep glen
I can already see someone forgetting to pull something in the right order, or forgetting a branch altogether
according to Plastic last week we had 1800 new branches
foggy path
jeez :P
stiff crystal
you don't need a new branch for every commit :p
foggy path
personally I'm a fan of using a development branch which should ideally always be up to date and at least mostly stable
everyone can just merge into the dev branch as long as they don't fuck it up too badly lol
stiff crystal
but doing things on branches, and pr's let you do code reviews before merging the PRs
foggy path
I think it depends a lot on how large your org is... with smaller teams you need less bureocracy on merges I think
stiff crystal
it doesn't make as much sense for small teams but there are still benefits (at least from having dev off the master)
deep glen
Active users 10 - -
Total GB stored 173.66 - -
New branches 1696 - -
New changesets 8079 - -
alpine fern
these users seem to be very active 
stiff crystal
I like how Unity does this on their SRP repo
they do their internal discussion partly on the PRs, they are not hiding it
foggy path
we have like a 8 year old project and we have nowhere near that many branches lol
stiff crystal
so even users know what's going on there, why something isn't merged yet or what are the potential issues, if there's going to be a follow up PR etc
their code reviews show on PRs directly, so it makes it very transparent
this is a good example: https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/pull/5545
pearl elk
I think thats more branches than in our entire forest of gum trees
median wraith
I'm eco, don't use branches
pearl elk
why are you a dolphin, do you seas instead?
pearl elk
the inquisitors
neon iris
median wraith
XD
ripe oyster
Hey guys, what does "royalty" compensation mean in #looking-for-talent ? Sorry for silly question xd
bold fulcrum
Means that you aren't getting anything.
pearl elk
it means you gain Prince Harrys title
you should try to get paid in exposure, least thats more likely
median wraith
LOL
bleak thicket
not to mix up witha "royal compensation" ;-)
median wraith
well they expect to pay you a % later after the game release of the total game income
in resume what Mons says, don't expect that ever to come back
could happen in some rare case
bleak thicket
well some of those people running around gathering people with royalty compensation will succeed ;) its just a very very very very small tiny amount ;)
median wraith
like find someone to marry in internet, could be, but both are more rare than get abducted by a UFO
alpine fern
you can determine the amount you get with a coin flip
the side is 0, the other side is also 0, and if it rolls on the edge, that's how much you get
ripe oyster
I suppose you don't know any stores where I can buy food for exposure...?
alpine fern
you could get a lot of exposure for stealing some
median wraith
in spain there is a company selling air from a town in bottles to the rest of the world for 40€ tag
so probably you find a shop that let you buy for exposure at this point
ripe oyster
"hello sir, I have 500 likes on artstation, can I get this half of bread?"
stiff crystal
I just got ebay'ed again.. it's been years since last time
bought YPbPr+ to HDMI converter, instead got HDMI to YPbPr+ shipped to me
stiff crystal
maybe they think I now need to buy them 2 of those converters
I like how the box even have place for checkbox on which device it is but nobody checked any of the alternatives 😄
bleak thicket
I like how the HDMI features are not actually noted on the cables
or better even the USB-C ones
stiff crystal
I also hope they don't dream I ship this wrong unit back
because it would cost like twice to ship it back vs what I paid for this with shipping
foggy path
Why not buy it from some reputable store instead of ebay :D
bleak thicket
why do people buy at ebay at all these days ;)
stiff crystal
because I don't want to pay the 3x price for simple device 😄
bleak thicket
amazon with free shipping to the win! :D
stiff crystal
plus there's no real risk on buying from ebay
bleak thicket
..................................
foggy path
well I hope you get the right device on your next try
because you've already spent 1/3 of that comparison price
lol
stiff crystal
cheapest items on local stores still sell the same item relabeled
bleak thicket
You know what i do when my cable at amazon is wrong?
foggy path
Seeing how those things aren't exactly expensive I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for the convenience of just getting the right thing tbh :D
bleak thicket
i put it in a package that i give to the postman on the next delivery
stiff crystal
this hasn't happened in years now
bleak thicket
\o/
tidal ivy
"because I don't want to pay the 3x price for simple device"
- I mean, if they keep shipping you the wrong shit 😄
stiff crystal
ikr
bleak thicket
Pssst dont say sane things ;)
stiff crystal
anyway, you can request refund from ebay directly
make paypal dispute
request money back from credit card purchase
it's just annoying and usually sellers are willing to resolve these as they need as much positive feedback as they can get
foggy path
yeah I've had pretty good luck with those kinds of trinkets
I ordered some plastic bit for my old car and they shipped the wrong thing
they shipped the correct thing for free not even asking me to return the previous one
costs next to nothing for them to get them if they buy at wholesale I guess
stiff crystal
car item sellers are the worst
I bought one decorative item from the manufacturer but they sold it through ebay or amazon etc (it's been like decade now)
they shipped item for different model and while they did ship me the item I ordered eventually, they wanted me to ship the wrong item back
fluid bloom
@bleak thicket aren't the HDMI cable specs pretty much always on the cable?
stiff crystal
I asked if they'd pay me the postage for it and they agreed, after sending the item they never responded to me again, no money either
should have just sold the wrong item locally here and make some extra with it
fluid bloom
there's standard and high speed
stiff crystal
instead I ended up paying for their mistake
bleak thicket
@fluid bloom not necessary, no, there are specific sub features and specific specs that might be relevant in relation to the devices you use
foggy path
that's pretty terrible
bleak thicket
@fluid bloom i was also surprised on that one, mostly i do not even know what the name is of the feature, but i got cable here which work for the device and others who dont
so there must be a feature in the cable
fluid bloom
okay nowadays there's a third cable type, premium high speed (+ with ethernet)
foggy path
Ebay is good for random cheap stuff though... I bought a BMW ///M badge as a joke for like 2 eur, I'm gonna put it on my non-BMW car lol
stiff crystal
HDMI cable specs don't always guarantee the cable still works for the purpose
fluid bloom
faulty cable then
stiff crystal
or too long distance etc
fluid bloom
there was no certification process prior to 2015 apparently 😄
fluid bloom
the whole naming stuff with HDMI is confusing as fuck
bleak thicket
yes
fluid bloom
you have HDMI 1.4, 2.0, 2.1 etc, BUT THEY ONLY REFER TO THE PORT
took me years to realize
bleak thicket
the HDCP or whats it called is the more relevant one ;)
which is also 2.0 2.1 2.2 and shit ;)
stiff crystal
what's funky nowadays that in the past if I bought an item locally here, it was checked and certified to be electrically safe by official party here in Finland.. nowadays there's no such thing anymore and it's just sellers responsibility to figure out it's safe to use
fluid bloom
I must've looked like an idiot at stores "hey I'd like an hdmi 2.0 cable"
stiff crystal
so there's really no additional safety guarantee anymore if one buys items like that locally
I still wouldn't use random cheapo power supplies for anything, regardless where they come from :p
bleak thicket
haha
for hardware i actually got a dealer i use most often
there you can actually call and ask if shit X works with shit Y
they also already tried it at their location for me, so that we dont need to send shit around
median wraith
Twitter
foggy path
Interesting if true
bleak thicket
Depending on how stupid you are, you get 8 hours of entertainment through trying to get through the first level ;)
stiff crystal
I actually used some of this logic on many games
like when I still played COD singleplayer campaigns, I always played them on hardest difficulty.. game lasts 30% longer as it's not as easy to pass anymore
bleak thicket
a real pro plays it in every difficulity and multiplies the experience! :D
stiff crystal
there's usually one difficulty level missing on most single player games
foggy path
I couldn't be bothered with COD on hard tbh
stiff crystal
usually medium is walk in the part and hard is just making things pain
foggy path
it was 5 hours in normal mode for me, but I probably put in 200 hours into the multiplayer :P
bleak thicket
seriously, as a BF player, i am just looking with disgust at you all
stiff crystal
heh, I have COD's on steam that I've only played in SP
I don't really enjoy that kind of multiplayer
too hectic, very little strategy
BF's are the same now too
foggy path
that's why I enjoy it pretty much :P
bleak thicket
yeah but not at BF2 times
stiff crystal
or have been for couple of the versions already
foggy path
there is definitely strategy but it's sort of more short term tactics I guess
bleak thicket
BF2 was the bomb, cause it was the only game ever made by a team of fans with the power of a cooperation in the back
foggy path
I played Black Ops 4 beta and they increased the time to kill and I thought it was crap
lol
foggy path
I only played the BF2 demo but yeah it was good
bleak thicket
and BF2 is pretty much Desert Combat
foggy path
2142 was the first BF game I really put time into
foggy path
I dunno I liked it :)
bleak thicket
the problem was the addons
the combined thing
in BF.. you had addon weapons, yeah but they were pretty much equal to the standard weapons
but the game itself
was totally driven by your talent
are you shit, you get shitty result
are you good, you get good result
foggy path
did you play Codename Eagle? That one was sort of like the spiritual prequel to BF1942
bleak thicket
2142 made that rely on your features
well BF1942 has A LOT of brothers and sisters
Red Orchestra and co.
i mean there are so many punched source engines that made some WWI or WWII shooter
foggy path
I mean Codename Eagle's devs were bought by DICE before 1942 :)
bleak thicket
all of them with less vehicles
that actually moved me into that area at all
i didnt played any other shooter before really beside Quake and Doom
i am like a real man
foggy path
ah
foggy path
Duke Nukem 3D
bleak thicket
aehm
foggy path
the real mans game
bleak thicket
BF1942
foggy path
lol
bleak thicket
sorry
foggy path
with titties!
foggy path
but but titties
median wraith
Quake wars, better than bf, change my mind
bleak thicket
but it was in competition to Quake actually
Hevedy: Quake Wars was THE BOMB
they just TOTALLY RUINED it with the bot filling
Quake Wars is for sure as Game technology better than BF2, no doubt
foggy path
first online shooters I got into were really Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat
foggy path
Quake was too early because couldn't really play over modem so well when you're a kid and your parents don't get it lol
bleak thicket
I had a computer
median wraith
Was the same doom 3 engine
bleak thicket
with 32 MB ram
stiff crystal
we used to play quake on schools LAN
bleak thicket
so i made a 16 MB Virtual Harddisc to put on Doom 1.666 (which was 15.9 MB or so)
soft night
Unreal Tournaments are better than quake wars right
foggy path
we played some stuff over a null modem cable a few times but that was always quite the hassle lol
median wraith
Computers in the schools here didn't even ran minecradt back in 2013 here
bleak thicket
and then played doom which needed 16 MB of ram max
stiff crystal
ah, I had nullmodem cable home as well
bleak thicket
just to get maximum performance
stiff crystal
but yeah, you needed two computers :p
played tons of warcraft 1 with nullmodel with my sister
median wraith
John Carmak did took some apples from school? :p
soft night
I played tom clancy games with dial up modem
median wraith
that tom clancy is like Hideo Kojima man
bleak thicket
BTW: You already heard that we are all little creeps who teach people how to kill?
median wraith
yeah but these are the game developers
these bastards
I'm not game developer, so no problem
bleak thicket
<looksaround>
but you use a game engine.......... you are touching the creep!
thats like the guy who used Linux on his laptop and an old lady informed the airport security that some serious hacking shit is going on ;)
hazy delta
so apparently some bigshot at a major automotive company now thinks he owns lightmaps, because he invented them. Even though I build the whole tool and definetly did not invent anything new
hazy delta
but hey that's how you raise in the corporate ladder, huh?
bleak thicket
minecraft gifs? for real?
the most horrible coded 3D game engine.............. in a channel of the most sophisticated 3D game engine? ;-)
median wraith
shhhhh @bleak thicket I never did that, and isn't my name in the credits, is other person
don't lie yourself
everything is horrible coded
bleak thicket
NO!
hazy delta
no matter how horrible it's coded, it can hardly be the most horrible one
bleak thicket
You never saw my code
hazy delta
;
there's my code
the cleanest code there is
they say perfection is if you can't take anything away without it dropping in quality
so this is it
my magnum opus
bleak thicket
the trick for good code is using a language that makes it most straightforward to write good clean code that is efficient to read and efficient to write ;). None of the languages ever mentioned in here fulfills that.
yeah that sentence is actually very good
that is why jQuery is so famous
its like the precise most perfect API for that topic it does. It is like take one char away and it becomes ugly
(not saying that javascript makes good code, its ugly ;) but the jQuery example is always good)
bleak thicket
LOL
hazy delta
http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-jquery-1361.html this isn't beerbottle shaped
so it loses by default
bleak thicket
but it actually could be
hazy delta
but it isn't
bleak thicket
that was just lazy from the submitter
hazy delta
therefore it's inferior
foggy path
jQuery is yesterday's news anyway
hazy delta
imagine formatting the brainfuck example so that it looks like there's actually a logo on the bottle
bleak thicket
jquery is not yesterday, it is for a specific kind of situation and it still is the best tool for that specific situation, the problem is just that no one should make that specific situation happen ;) you build your JS, you do not hack it into the page anymore, but if the case is there, its good for that. jQuery + Greasemonkey for the win!
foggy path
yeah to be fair it has its uses
effectively for what is called "progressive enhancement", eg. adding features to a page
bleak thicket
i also still use jQuery inside my other JS for dom modification
foggy path
if you want to build something more complicated there are better tools for that nowadays
bleak thicket
for dom manipulation itself? not really, there are just others more integrated into other things for a specific thing of that thing
but if you got a dom there and things to change there, then..... whats easier?
in one of my projects i even use John Resigs template engine ;)
the smallest template engine
foggy path
I usually just use the native funcs for DOM stuff tbh
but I can certainly see the appeal of jQuery if you just want to do something and you're familiar with it
I was more referring to building more complex "web apps"
which are a whole nother beast :)
bleak thicket
LOL
native funcs
the problem with them making the exception cases handled
thats whats literally in jquery
its kinda crazy to not use it ;)
foggy path
exception cases?
bleak thicket
its the classic "i know how i do it so i dont change" ;)
yeah, things can happen in JS, someone needs to catch them, old browser are bitches someone need to smack them ;)
foggy path
ah
tbh unless you're making some kind of a niche thing, the JS natives work the same across the board nowadays
bleak thicket
"niche thing" ;) yeah.... i think we do other things what we talk about here 8-D
foggy path
well at work we have a browser based design tool and we don't really support anything but "modern browsers"
bleak thicket
yeah and i cant do that ;)
foggy path
but we have a library component which had to support IE10 due to reasons, so we had to take more care when working on that
although I'm pretty sure certain features of the library component don't even work in IE10
just that nobody noticed but we still technically support IE10 so we can tell the customers that insist on it (even though they won't even notice) lol
static plover
Announce the vague date first. Then tell them it delays later to create marketing hype.
potent sail
Anyone having problems importing skeletal meshes?
My unreal continually crashes to desktop when attempting to.
soft night
Unreal number of game delays
nova finch
soft night
SOON™️
median wraith
I was about reply someone at Twitter but since a while I like less to reply, Idk how Tim does that to reply every random... really
The best you could do with opinions of people that don't even listen or read is make a bank account and deposit these there to see if generates some kind of interest with the time
mint root
oh wow, yes -- I just read a comment on HN that I so agree with
tldr: the best analogy to technical debt is debt, which is why it's called that. But it's not like debt to a mortgage company--orderly, predictable, easy to track--it's like debt to the mob. "Perhaps they help you out of a sticky situation but let you know that some unspecified favor will be required in the future. So you have a debt, but what exactly you owe is loosely-defined and might cause great chaos in your life at some inconvenient point when it's time to repay."
foggy path
the loan shark will also show up at inconvenient moments to break your kneecaps
which slows you down
lol
deep glen
can anybody name some trello alternatives?
zinc matrix
Guys I'm having issues getting my glass to be affected by depth of field, does anyone have a solution?
ebon onyx
There's a checkbox for turning on DOF for transparent materials in the material.
zinc matrix
Oh you're awesome, thank you so much!
fathom wadi
volumetric data for shaders?
bleak thicket
isn't that one of those blackmagic things?
like that spiderman rooms into the texture just other around?
fathom wadi
it passed me by doing some hlsl once when I wanted to store more data than I could in a 2d texture. But I ended up doing something else
bleak thicket
IT PUTS THE HEIGHTMAP IN THE TEXTURE...........
bold fulcrum
When we are getting 4D textures in the engine! Outrageous!
alpine fern
when you demonstrate a valid use of them
do you still call it a bilinear filter for a 4D texture?
median wraith
does someone
Knows
why Epic set the camera shake vars
but can't access or set a camera shake via blueprints ?
what the point ?
alpine fern
lmao
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/BlueprintAPI/Utilities/Casting/index.html why does this documentation page even exist
cursive crypt
Coz' autodoc
alpine fern
someone must have purposefully programmed something to generate this
there is nothing that enumerates all possible casts like this
alpine fern
wait for alpha 5 party in a few months tbh
it will be way cooler than current version
signal citrus
nipsu isn't letting me do anything lol
alpine fern
wish I knew what is happening with dx12
signal citrus
whats wrong with it
alpine fern
it runs at half the fps still
signal citrus
darn, yea i'll wait for 5. every server i connected to, no one trusted me to do anything lol
alpine fern
epic round number
alpine fern
apparently the dx11 frame invoked a vertex shader 83142807 times
and the dx12 frame did that 82897660 times
so it is not rendering the geometry twice
wtf is the issue then
both have ~6000 draw calls
signal citrus
what gpu you've got?
alpine fern
1080 ti
fluid bloom
a dx11 card?
signal citrus
yeah plus dx12 is like
it seems like there are multiple phases of dx12
but a 1080ti should have no issue
alpine fern
renderdoc is showing me this stat for dx11
and this for dx12
I wonder if it is important
fluid bloom
oh it supports dx12, nvm
signal citrus
i think dx10 cards support dx12 jonimake
median wraith
no, dx10 ones don't support dx11 or dx12
dx10 can be boosted to support some kind of dx11 features but thats all
signal citrus
780ti supports dx12 🤷
median wraith
that isn't a dx10 series GPU
DX10 ones was 200 ones
and the 9800GTX etc
400 series already was DX11
and these first DX11 versions don't support DX12 from what I know
700, 900, 1000 does
alpine fern
lol each renderdoc capture file is 1GB
signal citrus
damn dx11 is 12 years old
median wraith
yeah
fringe sundial
so very similar, except on buffers and others
signal citrus
i need to take a cry break lol
fringe sundial
vulkan is similar, its from gpus from the nvidia 400 forwards
alpine fern
the dx11 and dx12 frames really are doing basically the same work
median wraith
Thats why I named that videogames didn't evolved at all in aone whole decade
fringe sundial
couse consoles, hev
median wraith
if you compera 2000 vs 2010 there is a change
fringe sundial
they set the feature floor
median wraith
if compare 2010 to 2020 is minimal PBR
fringe sundial
just wait a few months
inner cloud
@median wraith video games devolve 😛
fringe sundial
now that next consoles come
median wraith
yeah the consoles did
fringe sundial
RTX, Mesh shaders, texture sampler feedback
so we gonna get (translated)
raytracing stuffs
median wraith
But the decade is shutdown already
signal citrus
was gonna ask you about that vblanco
median wraith
first games and last games from the decade didn'¡t add there anything "awesome"
fringe sundial
new step?
signal citrus
er yeah one sec..
inner cloud
@median wraith battlefield games were just dumbed down since bf3
fringe sundial
dx12 is getting mesh shaders and sampler feedback, but thats like super-beta
dont even know if drivers have it yet
i think nvidia has some beta drivers with support for that
signal citrus
they added some layer in the process that is now programmable
signal citrus
ah it is?
fringe sundial
its not really adding a layer
its replacing everything vertex related, with an alternative that its just a compute shader
median wraith
@inner cloud take the trailer from Bad Company 2 and compare with last games from 2019, the changes other than screen resolution and PBR are minimal...
_Yeah now scan the meshes in 3D, rather than take photos
signal citrus
roger
winter zealot
btw it's not possible to use openGL on Xbox is it ?
fringe sundial
so we replace vertex shaders + vertex fetch (fixed pipeline settings) + geometry shaders + tesselation shaders
with a compute shader
its also faster
inner cloud
@median wraith well more talking about gameplay here 😄 and quality
fringe sundial
on the xbox scarlett, mesh shader path is 30% faster
signal citrus
consoles have their own things pillows
median wraith
@inner cloud yeah in general aswell
inner cloud
but ye visually some games in the past worked better as well
alpine fern
inb4 dx12 still runs at half the fps for no reason
median wraith
gameplay didn't changed since 2007
winter zealot
it'd be so convenient if it would, also it looks like the ps4 has it's own rendering api as well
signal citrus
damn that sounds cool vblanco
inner cloud
@median wraith games are just more messy with vfx and fluid mocap, i actually like it more minimalistic as it was in 2005 😄
fringe sundial
ps4 runs their own api
its vaguely vulkan-ish
but better
a significant amount of bullshit is removed
due to being fixed hardware
winter zealot
@fringe sundial yea it looks like xbox is the only thing that keeps DX relevant
fringe sundial
and pc
winter zealot
not too sure because why bother with DX on pc 😄
signal citrus
ogl is trash yeah
fringe sundial
and its not hampered by mobile phone gpus
signal citrus
extension extensions
winter zealot
but yea pc as well, actually it might be good to use DX for both xbox and pc
fringe sundial
DX12 is simpler than vulkan
and has far better tools and docs
because vulkan is just an api Khronos released and went "you are on your own lmao"
and the api works on phones
so there are some things that are more annoying that they should be for that reason
signal citrus
wine does a pretty good job with dx api now too
winter zealot
is it possible to retreive stuff out of the gpu with vulkan tho ? for things like parallel computing and whatnot, I don't know if its possible todo that with openGL
fringe sundial
microsoft has a translation layer from directx 11 to 12
to make porting easier
@winter zealot you can do that in ogl too
but on vulkan it works much better
winter zealot
that's noice!
signal citrus
vulkan is less hand holding right?
fringe sundial
you can use timeline semaphores (new in 1.2) or just fences to sync stuff, and know exactly where your calculation on gpu ended
so you can push compute shader with some stuffs
go do other thing
and then check later to see if its done
or you could just wait till gpu finishes
and then transfer the stuff to cpu ram
signal citrus
damn
winter zealot
thats neat yup
fringe sundial
you can, in fact, do better
you can build a command buffer that starts with the data upload, then does the compute shader, then copies the data back to cpu ram
launch that, wait till its done, grab results
and you can run that in a async queue
so it doesnt block the work of the graphics
winter zealot
and that's only vulkan tho isn't it ? and yeah that's amazing
fringe sundial
also dx12
not gl
gl doesnt have such low level control over memory transfers
there are ways to grab data back from gpu but its quite clunky
winter zealot
with features like this, it's easier to see gpus doing more of the cpu work
fringe sundial
there is a problem tho
latency is a bitch
so this cant be done within 1 frame
if your calculation can be done over multiple frames, or have 1-2 frames latency, then alright
winter zealot
yeah it's more for async stuff
fringe sundial
for low latency compute you need to be on consoles
where they use the same RAM for gpu and cpu
so the compute shader can directly read and write your normal C++ data structures, somewhat
if you are careful
in this case, it turns from "copy to gpu -> execute -> copy back" to "mark memory as dirty -> execute -> done"
(due to the way cpu caches work, they have to get flushed to get saved to RAM)
its a fun thing to know. When you are writing data in a cpp program, its not being written to RAM
its being written on the cpu internal caches
and then, when the caches overflow, it copies to the ram as a backup
winter zealot
from this perspective vulkan seems very useful It really allows for things better than openGL
fringe sundial
it def does
its just a massive fucking pain
and i say that while writing an advanced vulkan engine
winter zealot
didn't use it tho, but I can hear ppl complaining and relate with the difficulties 😄
maybe i'm wrong saying this but most of us couldn't program on a console like the PS2 and 3
fringe sundial
ps2 was simpler than vulkan
ps3... oh god the clusterfuck-ness of it
Ps2 was highly advanced for its time
winter zealot
so in some ways it's awesome to have a very complex programming challenge with vulkan as well, not unlike ps2 and 3
fringe sundial
we now get the stuff it did, on mesh shaders
basically
ps2 did not have shaders
at all
what it did have, is 2 cpus
you had a "normal" cpu
a "vector" cpu
and then the gpu
vector cpu had some different characteristics that allowed it to do math on multiple numbers at a time (simd)
but wasnt directly connected to ram
the idea is that your normal cpu would do gameplay stuff, and high level stuff
and then sends the command to the vector cpu
and the vector cpu then does typical vertex shader stuff, culling, and lighting calcs, and uploads to gpu
broken sigil
PS2 is still the best console in my heart 😑
fringe sundial
think of the vector cpu as vertex shader + compute
which is what its taken us 20 years to get back
with mesh shaders
signal citrus
3Dnow
winter zealot
i can't even get the wizardry of emulating the ps2 and 3 yup 😄
fringe sundial
the ps2 was truly an absolute unit
way ahead of its time
they tried to do the same on ps3 but failed horribly
now that tech advanced, the ps3 was also an absolute unit for math stuffs
signal citrus
nah
fringe sundial
too bad it was crazy hard to use at the time
today, we probably can just compile compute shaders to the SPE units
but back then they were assembly and assembly only
PS3 was one big fat power-pc core, and then 6 coprocesors, kinda like shader units in a gpu
you would use those coprocesors to run compute shader type stuff, like gpu postprocessing, vertex animation, physics, or culling
signal citrus
PS3 turned into just a platter for blueray by the time it actually shipped
winter zealot
weren't people making SPE emulators with python and whatnot tho ? i'm somehow doubtful they'd make SPE programs with assembly ( I mean... maybe, what do I know 😄 )
also yeah guys the ps3 😮
signal citrus
All the specs dropped intensely to make up for that spendy laser, difficulty level in use allowed for par graphics to xbox 360 which came out like a year prior right?
fringe sundial
not really
the cpu of the ps3 was more expensive than the one on the xbox
it really was a monster
it was just a weird processor, and sony at the time had basically no docs
signal citrus
yeah, though the specs were dropped hard
fringe sundial
so low amount of docs. Docs in japanese, core libraries being for first-party only, and spu tools not being there....
signal citrus
yeah i mean they had agreements in place with the us millitary to contract out ps3's for computing power
signal citrus
the cpu is way powerful for the right task and everything but, it tanked months before release as all the launch titles show
fringe sundial
if the ps3 didnt have bluray, it would have tanked far harder
we might not have had a ps4
winter zealot
what amazes me with the ps3 is how it can do pbr shaders the same as the ps4
median wraith
Anyways still got no big expectations of the new Gen
fringe sundial
couse spus helping the gpu do fancy shit
fringe sundial
they are running postfx like ambient occlusion and the likes on the spus
not the gpu
couse the gpu was shite
so the spus were used to boost it
signal citrus
may not have been a contract yea
fringe sundial
runing compute shaders, basically
ps2 was still cooler
i still love that it did things betetr than the ps4
its bandwidth was so comically oversized, that it had endless overdraw
you could do things like fog effects just by spamming billboards
and thats how silent hill worked
guess what
some ps2 ported games on ps4 run like shit for this reason
winter zealot
I tots agree that the jump from ps4 to 5 might not be as amazing
fringe sundial
because the ps2 had huge overdraw perf
signal citrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx2cpVbyTYg like all the launch titles were this quality
fringe sundial
while overdraw is the weakness of ps4
signal citrus
damn really? haha
winter zealot
so much can be done on ps4, it's gonna be hard to top that with the ps5
fringe sundial
those ports
go to 10 fps
on the ps4
and its not a cpu bottleneck
but a GPU bottleneck
which is fucking hilarious
signal citrus
back in ps2 wasn't gpu memory 2D still?
winter zealot
yeah it was somehow the same with vanquish on pc 😄
fringe sundial
the thing is that some zones would have inhumane levels of overdraw, due to billboard effects being spammed to death
so on the ps2? all good
overdraw perf is great
but on ps4? on those ports that run at higher resolution?
fking rekt
winter zealot
vanquish was running slower on a pc released 3 years after a ps3 😊
alpine fern
why could it handle overdraw so well though
winter zealot
low famerate with below 108p resolution etc
fringe sundial
thats just shit porting
@alpine fern oversized bandwidth
and fixed-hardware gpu
remember, the ps2 did NOT have shaders
it could do one thing, and one thing only
textured colored triangles, with optional alpha blend
and thats it
but it did that super well
fringe sundial
combine that + huge bandwidth, and it meant that the performance of the ps2 was mostly bottlenecked by triangle count
but not by triangle overdraw
alpine fern
nice
fringe sundial
about 50k triangles at 60 fps
signal citrus
like n64 had fixed function support lol
fringe sundial
if you have your cards right
yeah, old gpus were fixed function
ps1 too
i have a mortal kombat leak
and i can see the ps1 code
the gpu is barely a few functions
signal citrus
ps1 kombat was the best
fringe sundial
draw_triangle(char x1, char y1, char x2, char y2, char x3, char y3, color 1, color 2, color 3)
and... barely anything else LOL
another version that was textured
and other versions for transparent
and done
btw, triangles were 2d
they did not have 3d coordinates on their triangles
and the coordinates were 8 bit integers, which go from 0 to 255, so they were locked to pixels
simpler times...
it was kinda like the super-old opengl fixed pipeline
ps2 was like super old opengl fixed pipeline, but turbocharged
fringe sundial
yup
couse C compiles at the time couldnt do inlining
cuz they were shit
the ps1 sdk was also all macros
signal citrus
i really dunno why they didn't just have things like 16 bit sine tables at fixed hardware addresses lol
winter zealot
i kind of still wana believe that some alternative to templates can exist in C but I might be wrong 😄
some alternative that wouldn't involve having to cast a type to some struct at every operation of course
maybe even some script that runs before compiling the c and replaces every symbol of a template by a custom set of functions or something
maybe that'd be not doable or a bad idea, dunno 😊
winter zealot
oh that's neat 😮
signal citrus
there are C reflection libraries that you more or less write tiny code into and it generates C code for you. QuakeC is kind of like this too
winter zealot
can you name some of those libs ? that's awesome
signal citrus
Something way out there would be Cello
winter zealot
yes 'im gonna search for it and check it later
much thanks Pat ! because working with C and template libraries seems very awesome
faster compiling, no oop etc
signal citrus
having a hard time recalling the popular one
winter zealot
its ok that might come back later
stiff crystal
I recently tried Redout, you know that wipout kinda ue4 ag racer
I still can't figure out wtf everyone enable TAA for their racing games
it was just a blurry mess
winter zealot
I've no idea about that either, sometimes tho it looks like the rendering of some games is made of several render targets of different resolutions composited as the output, making different objects rendered at different resolutions
like, bg characters being 720p, but the scene and foreground characters being 1080p
stiff crystal
I just don't get why people don't stop to wonder what's breaking it all that badly
on that Redout, some parts of the track looked like heavily compressed mpeg2 video
could barely see what was happening
winter zealot
oh yes they should have options to set something other than TAA
stiff crystal
there might have been other options
it just doesn't help when the AA options are like low, medium, high and epic etc
I'm guessing low could be fxaa
winter zealot
much better to explicitly name AA methods in the settings indeed, and sorting them by perf cost as well perhaps
alpine fern
probably because without taa it also looks like ass
stiff crystal
well it didn't do that game any favors 😄
for that type of game, MSAA is ideal if you don't need SSR
MSAA doesn't rule out SSR but UE4 doesn't support SSR on forward :p
alpine fern
deferred msaa when
stiff crystal
msaa can't fix everything either
and when TAA actually works properly, it beats MSAA clearly
vocal vapor
I just want render layers on the forward renderer.
alpine fern
vote for best unreal commit
stiff crystal
"tad more apple"
signal citrus
Imma be mad if any more limes are lost to green apple
pearl elk
signal citrus
c_str() @terse kelp
fathom wadi
str. c_str() run. run c_str() run.
cursive crypt
Big.
fathom wadi
pensions are investments for gamblers at this point. I never planned on living long enough to cash mine in. Now I just never plan on retiring. If you do what you love, you never work a day in your life.
half the time even with documentation, you need to spend hours to get your head around things in old code. For me, the worst thing is my OCD about refactoring things.
hazy delta
ugh I really don't want to know what kind of super important shit is running on shakey code like that
fathom wadi
@hazy delta back when Y2K was still a thing, my tutor at college was moonlighting on the code for the local nuclear power stations and he told me the code was so old, but it was more stable than today's code due to it's nature of being dedicated and not some api based bloated system. So I have more faith in old code really as you had to get it right.
sinful delta
is there a way to get the actual output log text in code?
actually that was dumb, please ignore me.
hazy delta
well good code is good code, the age doesn't matter. you can still code super low level stuff today. it's just when it's done in a way that nobody knows whats going on anymore that it becomes a problem
fathom wadi
thats why the people who usually work on such things are geniuses. Or have some kind of advantageous autism for such things. Humans and machine code aren't that symbiotic really without special skills.
hazy delta
that's not really reassuring
of that person dies, who'll maintain the code if stuff goes wrong? if you can only do it with some form of super genius autism?
sinful delta
check it out, I can add two numbers in my head instantly, I'm basically a savant. just don't go beyond one digit.
or into negatives
or anything with 9
never been too good at that one
hazy delta
so -1 + -1 is out of the question for you already?
hazy delta
oops
pearl elk
government is shitty code for something better 😛
foggy path
Those banks = legacy with COBOL things are very much true btw - got some friends who work in banking... :D
(sometimes you wonder if all these horror stories are really true... yes they are)
fathom wadi
@hazy delta if it ain't broken, don't fix it. If that person dies, you will have made sure by that point that the code works. Like I said, you had to get the code right back then. Today you have standards to apply that are more developed in terms of reusability, but you still have to get the code right.
median wraith
Wait isn't the computer counter lock before 2038?
Lol
Thought the world change is this year
Is a fast Calc about the other will happen before 2038
Population fall here was when the 80s
pearl elk
I will take my codes to the grave I tell you
foggy path
my car's GPS system flipped the year to 2004 or something last year already lol
integrated into the car's own systems in my case :P
median wraith
Yeah I had a clock or something that didn't me set more than x date
Well fun enough there are years with same days so you can use them 😜
Go green
late hare
Does anyone know where I could find the poly count for Halo CE models?
pearl elk
over 9000
late hare
I did use google. I could only find the polycount for one model, which you located.
median wraith
Well under 2000 on rest models
late hare
I can see custom models, people modding things. But I can't find the polycount for individual items.
median wraith
Main model always have more
late hare
I mean, a rough estimate is nice. But I'm looking for the polycount for individual models.
foggy path
Maybe see if anyone has ripped the assets from the game
Might have more luck looking at those and checking the counts yourself
late hare
I'm still looking around. But I'm just hoping someone might know where the resources are.
I'll look for specific ripped models.
median wraith
There is a web with individual meshes
From game, non edited
Actually is a web that have models for every game, sprites version aswell
Can't post as is illegal
.... Resource
late hare
I found something called models-resource. Might work for what I need
zinc matrix
I'm starting to make a game about bees and wasps but I'm worried my idea is too convoluted
ancient ingot
why?
zinc matrix
Lots of reasons i planned to have fights between different species of wasp/bee/hornet
To explain their proximity I had the idea that it was eco domes on mars
And there would be management mode and first person battle mode
To achieve territorial dominance
pearl elk
yeah umm
cursive crypt
Would be cool if there is building mode too.
foggy path
My project has a similar problem lol
I have a bunch of world ideas and features and mechanics that individually are like okay yeah that could be good and fun and interesting
But I have no idea how am I going to link them together into something that makes sense as a whole :D
pearl elk
this is why Im awesome 😛
sharp wolf
wow that was interesting
migrate to 4.23.1
great! Everything is working. Lets build
Play Build, Crash on Start up because of known bug
welp! That was a short stop, onto 4.24
😂 everything works well here
foggy path
I follow some accounts on twitter that post 90s CG renders like this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOztYqgWsAAzg9q?format=png&name=large
I'm actually surprised there hasn't been any games that replicate this look or has there?
deep glen
foggy path
I think there was a moment when people actually like Biden but he's certainly making sure they learn what he's really like 🤔
cursive crypt
That click bait title.
Out of context and hence untrue as far I understood. Works by induction, this apple is sour -> all apples are sour.
sage ermine
Like video games
Yeah, video games
pearl elk
Vidya ghames are sour
deep glen
median wraith
I'm lost with that read
hazy delta
imagine working on your passion project and your boss just fires 100% of the staff 😦
ancient hornet
remember when I kicked you
north torrent
That sounds like my life...
left oracle
anyone else work a job with downtime, and when you try to use it to learn new shit (like unreal) you always get tons of calls/work?
Because I feel like God hates me and anytime I try to use the time to learn new things 100% of the time I get slammed with calls (I work in IT support)
median wraith
Na, that's normal
foggy path
well as long as it's microsoft internal ads I don't really mind
snipping tool for example already advertises whatever the program they have that's eventually going to replace it
and that seems fine to me
it's a bit weird but that seems fairly unintrusive
north torrent
I have spent the better part of the last 2 years studying random things during my down time at work.
I think I've learned more in the last 2 years than I ever did in college.
foggy path
I did a degree in business IT and I don't think I really learned anything useful from that lol
north torrent
I don't study anything useful either. Mostly just cinematography and music theory and Geology and all sorts of other pointless things.
foggy path
You could always apply that to make a game about music theory and geology
not entirely sure how business IT would translate into a game lol
fathom wadi
really putting the rock in rock n' roll
ancient ingot
@bronze axle you about ?
bronze axle
Sure what is it?
ancient ingot
its catchy......
The Lancaster team solved the paradox of universal memory by exploiting a quantum mechanical effect called resonant tunnelling that allows a barrier to switch from opaque to transparent by applying a small voltage
yuhuh 😐
soft night
UnrealRam
hazy delta
so if it's exploiting quantum effects that means that it'll take ages to be market ready or that it needs ridiculous amounts of cooling to be stable enough ,right?
signal citrus
i'm still waiting for nintendos' 128bit console.
atomic barn
128 Q-Bit console
signal citrus
if it has capcom qsound i'm sold.
winter zealot
so because of joe biden, people making games like animal crossing wouldn't be protected by the same copyright laws, because of something john riticello said
signal citrus
I say capcom but surprisingly wikipedia states that qsound was also used by sting and madonna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loWcvzn_fxI&list=PLBVcdHaf_CimkIPe1v1Q3WqD_mETCMeCS oh god you can hear it.
winter zealot
not gonna tak about it more, but it's so tiring to read morons like this 😦
quasi wadi
is here any body that use the nDisplay system ??
signal citrus
is that like quadro stuff beam?
winter zealot
what's nDisplay tho ?
atomic barn
it is multi-screen / led wall support for editor
They used it on for virtual production on The Mandalorian
winter zealot
oh okies
atomic barn
to do environment lighting etc
winter zealot
I keep wondering if the final images in these shows comes from the camera or if there's an additional step where actors are keyed out of the background using some depth of field data, and composited with the background frames just like a regular show made with bluescreens
signal citrus
@full acorn I like your axe throwing. How low is time dilation with that?
quasi wadi
this quick start is not working this way it throws a big error.
i want to use it for sterioscopic 3d
quasi wadi
no i want to adjust the camera distance for the beamer
carmine frigate
passive or active?
quasi wadi
passive
carmine frigate
can you allready watch 3d movies?
i had to editor on my passive 3d tv once
something like, emulate stero = 1 on begin play or something
quasi wadi
this is not the same this are 2 beamer with single inputline
carmine frigate
yea true
quasi wadi
can i create with that a extra window ??
carmine frigate
no it splits the screen in 2 with 2 camera points
quasi wadi
ok last problem
the dude that plays the game cannot see the picture from the beamer
carmine frigate
if its 1920x1080 and u set to 3840x1080 and emulate stereo it might work
but never used a dual beamer myself and dont have 2 monitors hooked up atm even
never touched ndisplay
quasi wadi
and it must be like 16k 2x8k beamer with a monitor on full hd
the dude plays on full hd
carmine frigate
thats a lot of pixels
quasi wadi
yup 😄
atomic barn
@quasi wadi look at this page for setting up stereo layers
IDK if this will work with your beamer display setup. Still not 100% sure what it is but from what I can find it doesn't seem like a typical vr setup
quasi wadi
i checked this alreay out but it dont work
atomic barn
i guess you put a piece of cardboard between the displays, or cross your eyes or something?
You may have to set up a custom dual camera actor and use ndisplay since the stereo stuff is meant for vr rigs
quasi wadi
[2020.01.21-17.12.34:642][ 0]LogDisplayClusterEngine: Detected operation mode: cluster [2020.01.21-17.12.34:642][ 0]LogDisplayClusterModule: Initializing subsystems to cluster operation mode [2020.01.21-17.12.34:642][ 0]LogDisplayClusterEngine: Error: No config file specified [2020.01.21-17.12.34:642][ 0]LogDisplayClusterModule: KILL application quit requested: Cluster mode requires config file
signal citrus
cluster.
quasi wadi
sure cluster
atomic barn
carmine frigate
if u play something like trine2 with stereo out of the box, does that work?
quasi wadi
no only own games because you need more cameras
carmine frigate
tomb raider also has it, pretty cool in stereo
tomb raider has stereo mode build in
quasi wadi
idk
atomic barn
From what I can tell beamer display Stereoscopy isn't really a standard thing (you need to cross your eyes, use prismatic goggles etc.) so you will def need a custom setup. I am not even sure if ndisplay is going to do what you want; from what I understand it is meant to extend/cluster displays that are running independently, not combine them into a stereo display
carmine frigate
i used to use iz3d software to force any directX titel in stereo
dual beamer should do, u also need a polarized screen to beam onto i believe tho
havent looked into dual beamer setup in a while tho, i remember those screens are kinda expensive
quasi wadi
@atomic barn we have a custom setup
zinc matrix
Hey guys I just have a question about displacement texture
So I'm making an aircraft hangar
And I'm trying to decide whether I should just model this into the geometry, or use a displacement map
Using tessellation would in a way improve performance since it'll reduce the the tess amount in the distance, but I'd have to subdivide anyway to get good tessellation and I've just realised I answered my own question
atomic barn
You could probably achieve the same effect using parallax occlusion, and use a simple plane
carmine frigate
normal map not enough?
normal LODs are cheaper than tess
well thats what i heared at least
gotta be carefull stating what u heared as factt offc 😛
signal citrus
tess is something so foreign to me still
most all of my concepts of speed come from dx9 and I know times have changed lol
median wraith
tess won't improve performance
anyway I think the UE4 profiler returns random ms
👀 change my mind
hazy delta
unless you get closer to that, I feel like a normal map will do just as well
soft night
so expand of Disney+ happening https://twitter.com/DPlusNews/status/1219536307807977472?s=20
sage ermine
@median wraith Bagpipes ARE musical instruments just cos
Oh wait, you meant about the profiler yeah?
zinc matrix
Is it possible to make headlights like this somehow?
I have the headlight glass as geometry
but it looks super dumb dumb when the light is on, the light doesn't bounce like it should in the lamps
I'm starting to think I should go back to Corona, UE4 might not be ready for this type of production for awhile 😭
foggy path
That sorta stuff is probably usually faked rather than actually reflected correctly since I get the feeling it would be sort of expensive
but I can see how that might not be an issue if you're doing renderings or something that doesn't need to be realtime
zinc matrix
Yeah I was gonna say, I just need to render a single frame, which happens instantly anyway haha
foggy path
I think so yeah?
median wraith
@sage ermine https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YY3j4iaaKgQ
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix wouldn't you need to add sub-surface scattering to get the light to do that?
also increase the bounce count for sure
zinc matrix
Thanks Marc I'll give that a try right now! 😄
here are my bounces at the moment, I'm not sure if this is a lot, or too little
Bear in mind I can kick the crap out of my GPU since this isn't for a videogame, so the numbers can go crazy if needed
terse kelp
Im trying to generate 2 numbers using a function then returning them to another one somehow (im using [return var1, var2]) and getting it using [int var = function();] but doing this only gives me var1, how can i get var2?
pretty sure i can do these in the same functions but i want to try this even though im just making it harder for myself :v
signal citrus
void generate(int (&array)[2]){...set array[0] and array[1]...}
int randoms[2];
generate(randoms);
terse kelp
ill try that, thanks for the respond
foggy path
C++ only supports returning one value, so you need to use an array or some other structure if you need more data returned
terse kelp
ahh makes sense
signal citrus
yeah or you give it memory to write to like i did
terse kelp
i tried returning the pointer to it, though i diddent have much success with that
signal citrus
struct two_ints { int a, b; };
two_ints generate(){
...
return {first,second};
}
struct two_ints { int m[2]; };
two_ints generate(){
...
return {{first,second}};
}
these are newer things in c++
terse kelp
ahh got it thanks a lot @signal citrus
signal citrus
ye
foggy path
to be using a modern language with tuples or other useful datatypes :D
signal citrus
this is the exact thing i love about templating in c++
it legit lets you meta program things exactly as you expect
foggy path
Whenever I've heard anyone talk about templates they talk about it with dread 🤔
signal citrus
thats because it doesn't work the way they want it to
foggy path
lol
signal citrus
it takes awhile to understand the way templates want to work
you have to give up things
understandings
but in return you get exactly what you wanted all along
foggy path
rand1, rand2 = {Enum.random(0..99), Enum.random(0..99)}```
or something would probably work in Elixirtemplate<typename...types> std::tuple<types...> make_tuple(const types&...values){return {values...};}
foggy path
That still wouldn't give you destructuring or pattern matching!
...probably, because I have no idea what that snippet would even do
signal citrus
it would actually
had you function
template<typename...types> void do_something(std::tuple<types...> const &values){}
do_something(make_tuple("string",0,5.f));
there is never a layer of abstraction for things to be packed away into dictionaries (unless there is, i mean hah)
foggy path
heh
signal citrus
most people want dictionaries yeah
it gets boring to use the same slow collection types day in and day out imo
signal citrus
may as well just make int a subtype of dict
0['secret'] = 2; 2['real_secret']=5; 0['secret']['real_secret']
i feel like js has us covered otherwise
foggy path
I don't think you could do that with numbers in JS though 🤔
signal citrus
no yeah, thats what i meant by otherwise lol
foggy path
ah :D
thorny socket
i was just going through a cs source map to import to unreal only to find these disturbing photos
terse kelp
Im not sure if this is a glitch or something but what i tried to do here was prompt the user to enter numbers and store it in a int variable, then print it
but it dosent give me what i typed
i typed 2 and it printed out 50
foggy path
it probably returns the character code
since it seems a bit weird for it to return an int to begin with if it didn't do that (what would it return for say a ?)
terse kelp
yea that could be it
how do you think i can fix it? tbh im clueless since this seems the most logical approach to my goal
unless cin.get() does something strange
oh wow, just fixed it by changing int input = cin.get(); to cin >> input;
confusing but i guess it gets the job done
zinc matrix
You're pretty, I'm cute. Together we could be pretty cute. 🙂
wet horizon
ahhh hahhaahhhh hehahhah