I reported a bug once
#lounge
bleak thicket
You never played Ark, or?
hazy delta
haha no
median wraith
I'm using procedural placing of trees etc
and on second layer isn't appling the scale
bleak thicket
Ark has so many easy bugs, that a noob could fix easily
its made in unreal engine and so you know what they do there, and then you see the bugs and think "damn thats easy to fix"
and then you realize that those bugs are in since the early access, since like 4-5 years now
bleak thicket
well i am trying to get a serious road concept based on OSM data, i mean i have the data in and everything and have it "in hand" but now i get dizzy finding the proper concepts
hazy delta
portin backwards?
bleak thicket
i am somehow feeling i want that a) the spline paints asphalt on the landscape material, b) the landscape spline makes the height of the road and c) the splines is used additionally on top of the landscape material to paint the marker
that way i would avoid solving crossroads so complex
and i feel its "cost effective"
with just painted road and just marker via spline
median wraith
worst at work with landscapes is the limit of 16 textures (thats actually of 12-3 for some reason)
5 layers and 10 materials
zinc matrix
Hey guys. I'm very new to Unreal, is using 4.24.1 over 4.24 a mistake?
hazy delta
why would it be?
hazy delta
but yeah @bleak thicket I fear that goes over my expertise, but I know about the pains of making auto generated roads, even if the data already exists. there's just too much exceptions in real life roadwork
bleak thicket
I think no one would expect Bill Gates to be actually good at unreal engine ;)
zinc matrix
haha
hazy delta
I mean nobody would expect him to look like a latino jesus
zinc matrix
LOL
bleak thicket
thats for sure something
zinc matrix
That's not my real name haha
I just needed to cover my Discord username because without context it looks quite pretentious
... although Bill Gates isn't much better, hold on
hazy delta
yeah I can see how "im rich now lmao#3752" might be perceived as pretentious 😄
north torrent
Eat the rich.
hazy delta
nom
zinc matrix
ok guys I think I've made an improvement
bleak thicket
just use "I can't dev"
zinc matrix
Very relevant to my actual skillset as a developer too
zinc matrix
What the hell is that ending
hazy delta
wtf blender doesn't clear the image when it bakes, it just overwrites the nessecary areas
zinc matrix
Whenever i right click the viewport kinda stops rendering and the image looks higher quality
yay a blender user
median wraith
well
hazy delta
median wraith
🤦🏽♂️ 🤦🏽♀️ 😿
hazy delta
I deleted 14GB earlier why the fuck is my C drive full again?!
zinc matrix
check your users
i ended up reinstalling OS becuase there was some 3rd user that was using 140GB
and i couldnt delete it
... also i needed to reinstall OS anyway
hazy delta
nope just little old me
foggy path
Could always boot into a linux live distro and delete the files through there
I'm sure Windows won't mind
foggy path
btw recommend WinDirStat
zinc matrix
alternatively you could hover the folders in program files and see exactly what is using up all this space
foggy path
it's very handy for discovering what is taking space
hazy delta
already did, the biggest offenders are the games, and I can't move them since I can't use my other m.2 drive right now
hazy delta
for whatever reason I can't use it when I use my capture card...
lol funny you mention that
zinc matrix
wow thats satisfying to look at
i assume if that was a fragmented HDD it would be a shitshow
hazy delta
it's a representation of all the files and you can pick out the big ones and see if they're important
also you can sort the folders by size
foggy path
I don't think WinDirStat shows fragmentation it just gives that graphic to show the relative sizes of things
hazy delta
it's super handy to find your worst offenders
zinc matrix
all i have on my PC is just Unreal
hazy delta
yeah it just shows all the files as squares and clumps them together based on their folders
zinc matrix
well and the stuff i need to use unreal
but i'd guess my biggest offenders are megascan downloads
hazy delta
hazy delta
well to be fair
next to none of that are projects
I just named that thing for the offchance I'll ever do stuff at home
actually, wait it's calculating
zinc matrix
oh lol
hazy delta
250GB projects lol
zinc matrix
do you usually work at a studio?
foggy path
🚨 piracy alarm 🚨
zinc matrix
aaaa 800gb lmao
hazy delta
well I have crunchyroll and netflix so I technically own 90% of that legally
crunchyrolls player is just ass so I have to use plex to conveniently watch that shit on my chromecast
and UE4 already ate up the free space again
I'll never be able to open this project
foggy path
buy another disk problem solved
hazy delta
I have a 1TB m.2 just lying here
I can't put it in because I don't have an extra slot and I can't use the pcie adapter while I'm using my capture card 😦
and I can't figure out why
zinc matrix
a capture card, like a physical one?
foggy path
lack of pcie bandwidth or some kind of other conflict maybe?
zinc matrix
Why not use software to capture footage
stiff crystal
sounds like someone bought a mini mobo
zinc matrix
like unregistered hypercam, or bandicam
foggy path
just buy a SATA disk it's not like you need m.2 speed for a storage drive anyway :p
stiff crystal
usually you do have more than one spare pcie slot
hazy delta
probably the bandwith, but I don't know how to check
foggy path
@zinc matrix you need a capture card if you want to capture footage off f.ex. consoles
hazy delta
well I won't buy more storage if the one I have isn't exausted yet
zinc matrix
oh i see
zinc matrix
guys is this normal for depth of field?
I get these weird artifacts
sorry for clickbait circle
artifact gone sexual
hazy delta
I'd say yes
zinc matrix
oh damn it
hazy delta
you can get weird shit with dof
median wraith
Okay the bug isn't fixed even on last versions 🤦🏽♀️
zinc matrix
Which bug?
hazy delta
why would it be fixed if you go 2 versions back?
zinc matrix
And I hope they fix the depth of field because I really wanted to do some cinematic stuff
But small issues like this drive me crazy
ok so the weird thing is, when i right click (basically stopping the RT rendering) it fixed the issue
wtf
zinc matrix
OMG
YAY I DID IT I DID IT
MOM I FIXED IT
OMG YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY THIS MAKES ME AAAA
zinc matrix
I disabled realtime
hazy delta
...
zinc matrix
I dont use UE for games or videos
I make concept art
i originally used a program called Corona
But when I saw the Rebirth video I was like "cya corona"
hazy delta
lol
zinc matrix
"im with Unreal now"
if anyone needs a corona subscription let me know cus mine doesnt run out for another 3 weeks
zinc matrix
Hevedy what was your error?
median wraith
if set 0.5 min and 2max then works
if you set 5 min and 5 max then all meshes are 1 scale
XD
zinc matrix
lol
median wraith
oh good news
I had 40FPS on the project
but it seems like in 1080p are 80FPS
so all is fine
bleak thicket
you just made light, not frankenstein
zinc matrix
i dont know what that means but i am glad you figured it out
hazy delta
well I didn't figure it out, I've had this working for years
but I can finally show it to the world
zinc matrix
nice mountains 😄
hazy delta
I like how the trees are imprinted in the clouds
zinc matrix
lol
median wraith
yeah still don't know if keep it like that
or just go and move it back to old solution
signal citrus
how are they see through though?
median wraith
yeah it is
but well
I mean BFV is worst
lol
the dithering of the foliage create nightmare monsters
yeah, as well in BF1
is easiert o see on BF1
well
isn't even dithered
but the nightmare created by the AA
here is the same isn't dithering problem but a nightmare generated by the AA
zinc matrix
Do you guys use MSAA ?
zinc matrix
oh okay
hazy delta
lol wtf it's like none of them have heard of TAA
median wraith
thing is, will try to get it the better I can, but because errors I had all over the last 5 years with the engine best decision was don't release nothing, but have to @zinc matrix
after see what the companies release
zinc matrix
What kind of games are you guys working on?
median wraith
By the way, there is some way with dithered to get depth ?
zinc matrix
I've personally only ever worked on one game and it wasn't anywhere near as beautiful as the games i see here
zinc matrix
Seirei I'm a noob but I assume that what you're doing will reduce performance impact?
signal citrus
i'm a bit confused on the dither hev hah
signal citrus
how is it see through to begin with?
median wraith
yeah I get your point man, but can't make something perfect, the bigger the resolution the less you see the dither
hazy delta
@zinc matrix it's not really about performance, it's about getting the quality of baked lighting, but being able to control intensity and color for individual elements that are overlapping. and then doing that in a performant way, hopefully
foggy path
my basic concept is a game where you salvage spaceships.. take stuff in ships apart by removing parts, get money by selling them, talk to NPCs, fly around in spaceship, do something. Haven't really figured out the details lol
zinc matrix
Oh i see
median wraith
@signal citrus basically you take a mesh and rather than mnake it transparent just cut pixels of it in a pattern and are total transparent , basically no mesh in these, the more there are the more invisible it gets and the AA mxi the no pixel and the pixel and created some kind of transparency
zinc matrix
jesus this chat is getting technical i feel like a caveman being here
signal citrus
wait so when i see through the clouds its completely dithered?
the video encoding makes it look semitransparent hah
median wraith
@signal citrus yeah, isn't the video encoding is the actual TemporalAA that makes it transparent
This are too dithered
the closer you get the more you see the noise
the static the image, the less noise
bleak thicket
hazy delta
jeez I'm so done with this scene... that's enough unreal for today
zinc matrix
hazy delta
been working on this since 1:30 PM
zinc matrix
what time is it now?
hazy delta
1:49 AM
zinc matrix
damn what planet r u on
sage ermine
GO TO BED
zinc matrix
oh 1:49
hazy delta
but my realtime baked light! 
bleak thicket
zinc matrix
gn 😄
hazy delta
nigh hev
next up I'll have to figure out how to automate blender
and that won't be fun
sage ermine
Hev, you do VR don't you?
sage ermine
Just fumbling through basics, bleeding time
median wraith
but don't have any kit at home, my eyes are that powerful can see cross the VR
zinc matrix
lmao
sage ermine
bleak thicket
sage ermine
So I'm using the VR expansion plugin... got their test map going... teleporting all that...
Make a new map, put their VR player start in it...
When I go to teleport, this:
sage ermine
uh oh
bleak thicket
@zinc matrix probably more like this: https://i.imgur.com/R7yNrjs.png
sage ermine
crash
zinc matrix
LOL
median wraith
@sage ermine you must develop for VR Oculus Quest and you will know what a Gameboy Color features limit and performance cap is
sage ermine
noooo
fathom wadi
I play poker with people who use a Quest and they always complain about it
bleak thicket
bleak thicket
Oculus Quest: https://i.imgur.com/OoujQJO.gif
foggy path
I love how that random GIF from a finnish comedy sketch show has taken on a life of its own
median wraith
xd
signal citrus
@narrow girder here
hazy delta
well look in #work-in-progress and tell me it's not baked and controllable in realtime! D:
sage ermine
anyways, made new empty map, but the teleport is fouled up somehow
seems like a noob mistake
zinc matrix
when u chew 5 gum
bleak thicket
hazy delta
but it's controllable 😦
sage ermine
she looks armless
hazy delta
she looks fun
narrow girder
It just seems as if I kept on going on with the 'I get the point', but it came across as if I didn't understand what was being told
And everyone felt like being the teacher and having that moment
Thanks doe, @signal citrus
median wraith
@bleak thicket man cornhub videos this days are so rare
bleak thicket
median wraith
@hazy delta you can make a moving car with static light
hazy delta
but can you turn them on and off and change their color?
hazy delta
what?
bleak thicket
lol
bleak thicket
zinc matrix
is that Johnny Sins
foggy path
Johnny Sins, played by Patrick Stewart?
bleak thicket
/o\
zinc matrix
Now that's something I'd like to see
hazy delta
well yeah, but I'm still controlling multiple individual lights, even if the light itself isn't realtime
I mean that's why it's baked after all
foggy path
the new Picard show gonna be on Prime Video on 24th
wonder if that's gonna be any good 🤔
hazy delta
jesus getty 😄
bleak thicket
foggy path
hazy delta
all I'm saying is you can't just do that with the standard lights in unreal
nice logo
sage ermine
It's all fun and games until someone gets their toothbrush and their light sabre mixed up
bleak thicket
sage ermine
Then it's like: Dude, I find your lack of face disturbing
bleak thicket
haahhahahahaaa+
zinc matrix
+1
median wraith
@zinc matrix @signal citrus and the fun fact is I'm using a post process material to make the whole image sharpen, the far distance things looks better, but the dithered lol
bleak thicket
hazy delta
good news everyone!
zinc matrix
do tell
hazy delta
apparently all my work was for nothing
bleak thicket
well it was already when you started
i mean you did it
so.........................
sage ermine
Sweet, just needed to add a nav mesh bounds volume 🙂
bleak thicket
Dude
hazy delta
would you believe me that I suspected something like that?
sage ermine
Toldya I was a noob with vr
bleak thicket
hazy delta
okay
well guess I'll be signing off for today
and tomorrow I'll see if I can get this python stuff figured out
what could possibly go wrong?
zinc matrix
an asteroid could hit earth
foggy path
turns out it was a boa
bleak thicket
<badumtss>
hazy delta
😬
bleak thicket
fathom wadi
you could end up with a new python version
hazy delta
I'll be happy if I manage to install it and anything done
but sure, a new version sounds doable
bleak thicket
you dont need to install anything
bleak thicket
hazy delta
what? I thought you'd need some runtime environment or something
hazy delta
well that shows you how little I know
zinc matrix
lmao
hazy delta
but I swear I had to install something when I was trying it out last time
bleak thicket
bleak thicket
hazy delta
hey that's me
bleak thicket
bleak thicket
hazy delta
MORE BLUR
bleak thicket
bleak thicket
hazy delta
yeah I was impressed with the speed
bleak thicket
narrow girder
hazy delta
same here karam
nobody commented on my super awesome never before seen tech that nobody else could ever recreate
bleak thicket
hazy delta
that'll be me tomorrow with python
bleak thicket
just come to me, if you feel stupid
hazy delta
so you can make fun of me?
bleak thicket
bleak thicket
narrow girder
I'll comment on it
Share it and I'll admire you
Or, at least promise you my honest opinion
bleak thicket
bleak thicket
without context i cant post gifs.... https://i.imgur.com/gkQxBQ3.gif
hazy delta
except for that one
hazy delta
wat?
bleak thicket
job mission, have to setup magento2 for a customer who has magento and make the upgrade
didnt made PHP shit since now 7-8 years, feels like going back to vietnam
hazy delta
I don't even know what that is
bleak thicket
THE ecommerce solution of the world that every moron is using to run a shop
bleak thicket
thats how i feel about it: https://i.imgur.com/CBjSI6l.gif
thats what i would like to do: https://i.imgur.com/QNvovCi.mp4
hazy delta
relatable
top one is me after karam offered support and abandonned me
second one is me right now
I thought we were friends 😦
hazy delta
lol
fathom wadi
I knew a guy who coded himself into a career once. He was tasked with making a cold fusion database and nobody else knew how to do it, but he was a great coder too so he made it virtually unintelligible without investment. So when it came to the end of the year reviews, he would say "Im thinking of moving on this year" and they would give him an instant raise.
bleak thicket
there is an even better tactic
one guy who is right now sitting in the managing board of a big company, reached that position with mainly one sentence:
"I know who can do this" even tho he was able to do those tasks himself, but that would made him a drone
he literally grew up a permanent budget for his workfield through always saying that he knows who to get for the job
fathom wadi
Henry Ford was that kind of guy. He was smart and knew a trade already, but his real talent was bringing people together to get a task done, so when the opportunity for the first auto-factory line, he knew the right people to get in. But he takes all the credit and put his name on the car. Which, if you look at in the mirror, spells "brat"
hazy delta
lol it actually does
fathom wadi
i havent smoked a marlboro in 20 years
fathom wadi
im smoke free for just over a year now. Feels great but now I can smell all the skanky people and their chemical waste perfumes and shitty food stenches.
I guess its justice
hazy delta
🤔
bleak thicket
see
hazy delta
what the fuck is oropl?
bleak thicket
horrible
hazy delta
it's more ql
fathom wadi
its a hacidic word for "gay cowboy"
bleak thicket
lol
hazy delta
in what language is oropl a word?
fathom wadi
arapaho
bleak thicket
none
its just a way to write the word without writing it ;)
already crazy to CLEARLY put the word jew in it ;)
but be alarmed: thats all just rumour, there is not that much "prove" to it
just like kinda....... how many brands use a white triangle and the word "jew" mirrored in its name?
fathom wadi
in path of exile, I have been silenced once in chat in 7 years. Because I was trying to sell jeweler's orb in bulk (amongst other things) but to save chat spam, I typed "Selling : Jews/Chrom/Alts" and was silenced for anti-semitism. Which is ironic as I was changing money.
bleak thicket
that you say its ironic is again racist ;-) but its funny :D
hazy delta
that's flat earth conspiracy theory level
fathom wadi
no I am referring to the jewish money changers who Jesus threw out of the temple.
bleak thicket
the question is where this context is promoted by ;)
fathom wadi
well the ironical context is based on a mythical notion, and also a common stereotype, but it's not being racist as Judaism isn't a race. But then if you say, its racist too. Anyway...
bleak thicket
oh dear the definition of racism thing ;)
its for sure something that you shouldn't say if you wanna be cultural most correct ;)
is that better defined? :D
fathom wadi
what is more correct than political correctness, is actual correctness. Truth trumps it all
fathom wadi
well it is by definition but anyway. Nothing against jewish people. Doesn't mean I stop talking, observing and speaking the truth. Just how it is. If I wanted to be political correct, I would be an entirely different person than I am as I grew up when people weren't (as) insane as they are now
bleak thicket
as i said before, its ok ;-)
fathom wadi
No. There is already a campaign against me using spare money from the "Call Jeremy Corbyn anti-semitic before the election then suddenly stop after" fund.
#cynic
bleak thicket
LOL ;)
zinc matrix
holy shit i just scrolled up this is hilarious
omg
tfw u typing in Discord server instead of DM
bleak thicket
wtf? :D
zinc matrix
ignore that LMAO i was typing in wrong place like the idiot that i am
bleak thicket
but if you scroll up here, its also hilarious!
zinc matrix
Yeah haha that time i meant to type here, but the stuff after i deleted was accident 😄
zinc matrix
yep
bleak thicket
You have 4 people sitting around a table that is also a screen
how you split the screen?
fathom wadi
voronoi
bleak thicket
voronoi?! :D
fathom wadi
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/voronoi-split-screen this but with more slicing
bleak thicket
you have a screeny of a 4 player cutting of that?
wait, its probably just 2 cuts like that one shown, eh?
that would probably lead to some difference in resulting size
and for sure vision wise differences ;)
its kinda trivial if the screen would be square
:D
fathom wadi
well its more to regulate the cam so if all 4 players were in the same location, it wouldn't split. The further away they get, the adjustments are made on the fly until its a 4-way screen
i recommended this before though and the other person said it wasn't really suitable, but maybe this time
#sponsoredByVoronoi
tulip orbit
My AI wont die >_<
bleak thicket
i specific thought about just sharing the screen per se not specific implementation on what the screen shows
fathom wadi
@tulip orbit make it love
wet horizon
what did that AI do to deserve death
tulip orbit
it apparently loves to shoot me
bleak thicket
fathom wadi
LOl Tommy Chong just got more applause and cheers at the UFC than any of the fighters.
bleak thicket
Well, it is Tommy Chong
fathom wadi
indeed
Jon Jones (not the UE4 one) said "I have a lot to prove to myself, my family" and my brain finished his sentence with "my parole officer, my coke dealer, the pregnant woman I ran over, the steroid sponsorship and USADA and the UFC who let me get away with cheating because money"
bleak thicket
thats why you are poor! :D
fathom wadi
im poor because I make terrible decisions really. I should probably stop being scared to apply for the jobs I could get too. I read job descriptions sometimes and think "I can do all that" and then most other times I think "I can do that, but they will see through my cheap coding techniques and hacky fixes and sack me within a month". The imposter syndrome is strong with me.
bleak thicket
oh dear
fathom wadi
who knows. My slot machine might make me rich !
bleak thicket
how old are you?
fathom wadi
43
fathom wadi
yeah I prefer to say "I survived longer than you" :p
bleak thicket
well if you are so poor, its probably barely "survival" ;-)
i am 40 so same class
;)
actually birthday in 5 days
Right to the Picard launch
fathom wadi
Bruce Lee died at age 32. Im 43. I shit Bruce Lee.
bleak thicket
god gave me a personal present this year
fathom wadi
(only joking Sifu)
fathom wadi
thats why I wont have dogs. My family breeds them. I've seen enough die from old age
bleak thicket
dogs are still the best thing in the world
we should have creeated a society around dogs
where its all about showing your dog and being happy about life
\o/
fathom wadi
yeah when they are looked after properly. My family do pedigree breeding with full accreditation. not some scummy breeder selling staffies to chavs
its a strange industry. Full of backstabbing and bitchery.
The Kennel Club people are fucking weird
bleak thicket
its a sad topic people want the dog they want
the society should be more about dog is dog
well beside those small ones ;) they should die out ;)
sorry ;)
fathom wadi
only reason half the guys who buy staffies do so is they are scared. Probably shave their head to look hard too
fathom wadi
Holm vs Pennington on UFC next. bbs because this one will be a decent fight.
bleak thicket
dont watch UFC ;)
isnt there something better?
I am watching Malcolm again right now
fathom wadi
i've watched it since it launched on VHS at my local video store 🙂
bleak thicket
that doesnt make it better ;)
fathom wadi
missed 3 o 4 main events since then
fathom wadi
well if you do judo/jiu-jitsu its interesting. I can see why people think its boring when it comes to wrestling or groundwork. And Im not a boxing fan so pure standup fights don't interest me. But when you get two jiu jitsu or kickboxers fighting, its a game of chess
bleak thicket
its just about that i do not need more reason to get the wish to punch someone in the face
dont need more of smash smash violence ;)
but what do i say, i follow US "politics"
fathom wadi
ahh I dont see martial arts as violence in sport terms. I get no will to fight from watching UFC at all. It does make me want to get back on the mat and roll, but I have a tumour in my foot thats kept me off for a couple of years.
bleak thicket
well i have ADHD, so when I see a guy punching, I get empathy.......... A LOT of it
8-D
fathom wadi
there was a period I enjoyed fighting before I learned some martial arts. But you learn respect and fear the consequences with martial arts by learning to protect your partner. Consider quite early on that you learn how to kill people, just so you don't kill someone, speaks volumes to the kind of art it is. Self-advancement, control, respect and health.
bleak thicket
well i prefer to be that guy who has a guy like you standing next to him ;)
Can't be a serious emperor without guards
fathom wadi
my first jiu-jitsu teacher was almost 30 stone. When I saw him dive 5ft in the air, and breakfall onto his feet like he was made of footballs with feet, I was hooked.
he was one of those people who would look like he couldn't do much in a fight, but he was always first in the bar to protect people.
reminds me. He used to do this thing where he would walk upto the troublemaker with his hands in the air saying "hey just trying to calm things down" and before he would finish the sentence, he had closed the distance and was throwing someone to the floor at hyperspeed. Its funny watching big guys who talk hard get all the wind knocked out of them. Chills them right out.
zinc matrix
ok
fathom wadi
ebon onyx
So how's it compare to Substance and Mari?
fathom wadi
Not sure yet. Only just noticed it myself. Been on a "learn blender" binge
timber phoenix
Hey guys, does cpu usage usually shows 50-60%+ for a second when you open task manager?
fluid bloom
yes
fickle oriole
Not for me
Does anyone experience just how sluggish the epic games launcher is? Scrolling through a page it looks like it's running at 10 fps
fathom wadi
yeah its a pile of poop
timber phoenix
@fluid bloom thanks 😄
fathom wadi
I dunno what would be worse vampy. Having the launcher lag, or logging into the site 20 times a day 😄
timber phoenix
Hey guys, how old can a non windows 10 license be used for windows 10 license?
fathom wadi
magic
zinc matrix
It's possible Microsoft still accepts Windows 7+ keys for windows 10, at least they still did a few months back, I think
timber phoenix
Alright, i will give it a try. Thanks 😄
median wraith
@ebon onyx what you see in the pic what it have
a guy made a custom game engine for blender
with haxe language for many things
and then made that tool as well
thats the resume
ebon onyx
I hope it winds up being good one day. But until it's on par with Substance or Mari, I'll hold off on it like I did with Blender until that caught up with Maya.
median wraith
its funny how google stores images from 2 or 4 years ago in google
from twitter account etc
pearl elk
median wraith
LOST IN THAT
tulip orbit
typical
alpine fern
The 150-page proof excuse me
signal citrus
@narrow girder was only saying it must be your opinion that you aren’t doing something wrong with others IP.
Anyone can send out C&D notices. There is no C&D authority
soft night
we are ready? to watch Dragon Drew demostration?
foggy path
the what demonstration?
soft night
tulip orbit
I get too much pleasure in hitting "save all" just before the autosave happens. 🙂
narrow girder
@signal citrus cool, Got it thanks!
timber phoenix
Hey guys, does FSP Hyper K 500w usually sound loud?
foggy path
pretty hard to say from a recording tbh, but I can just about hear my PC and it's sitting next to me under the desk
timber phoenix
Is there any other sound around you?
foggy path
nope
that sounds like a fairly regular fan noise to me though, there's nothing "weird" about it
timber phoenix
mine is quite loud.. might be the 5 case fan idk.. i will upload the video on youtube hold on
foggy path
yeah it would depend on how fast they're spinning
signal citrus
sounds quite buzzy
could be the microphone
but also sounds like maybe a fan is pinned too hard against some surface
i've had similar sounding fans with too much insulation and pressure applied to the screws (solution was to back off a bit)
foggy path
oh yeah there is that higher whirr sound in the background, didn't notice when my sound volume was low :P
timber phoenix
the psu fan is below and facing up
timber phoenix
yup there is
signal citrus
yeah, should flip it around
its possible theres some rattling from it being installed this way
timber phoenix
im not sure if its facing up lol
signal citrus
private
timber phoenix
mossy nexus
is that a PSU? lol
foggy path
it doesn't really matter which way the fan is facing as long as the airflow is in the correct direction
timber phoenix
ahh my bad
foggy path
if the fan is blowing hot air from the PSU into the case that might be a bit weird though
signal citrus
er it does kind of matter, the vent is so the psu is a separate cooling environment from everything else
mossy nexus
^ yup
timber phoenix
it's not blowing hot air but my system is quite noisy
signal citrus
so fan is going out the vent at the bottom right joel?
timber phoenix
yeah bottom
signal citrus
sound may be coming from another fan? not the psu?
mossy nexus
PSU vent placement is critical. If the PSU cannot vent heat efficiently you can run into problems. Remember the famous Verge PC build failure? 😉
timber phoenix
I'm not sure how to test it though
signal citrus
in the video ti does sound like the buzz is coming from the psu but idk
PSU's aren't normally this loud, but i've never had this brand before
timber phoenix
I think the buzz happens because of mic being too near it
signal citrus
its possible
signal citrus
Yeah that looks right
foggy path
easy way to find out is disconnect the other fans :P there are quite a few of them in there it seems
signal citrus
So those fans on the top, are those powered by some box?
Do you connect a sata or molex connector to some box that they plug into?
timber phoenix
i'm not sure i bought this 😅
signal citrus
haha okay
timber phoenix
but it's quite loud compared to my brother's custom pc
I will see how to disconnect the cables
signal citrus
well, those top fans might go to a hub, if the hub is powered but there is no connector to the mainboard they run unregulated
(loud and full speed)
but its possible they are just loud fans too, they exist
out of curiousity, what cpu is in there?
timber phoenix
but you mentioned that psu aren't normally this loud so i might have to check it
its amd ryzen 3600
signal citrus
I was mostly considering the buzz tbh
a mic being blown into is hard to really judge
timber phoenix
the mic isn't in the vent it's near the edge
signal citrus
Yeah, the fan noise in the video is about normal.
If it is a high end psu, it shouldn't sound that loud but if its a budget one, yeah thats probably what it'll sound like.
I have no frame of reference on the manufacturer of it
timber phoenix
This is the one
I think it's a cheap one
so i think fans are connected to sata
signal citrus
is not a hypro psu or something that will explode it seems but yeah it is hard to find quality psu's at 500w in general. it looks like a standard affair
if you can find the sata connection, there should be another connection that runs to the mainboard joel (a little wire) if there isn't one, that might be why those would be loud
foggy path
unless it's making weird noise it's probably just the way it is
I've generally tried to pick parts that are more on the silent side on my machine which is nice
but you pay more for those usually
timber phoenix
I guess..
signal citrus
Yeah, i mean its possible you hear those top fans out of the rear too. heres the advertised operating levels
timber phoenix
There's a subtle grinding sound though
signal citrus
could that be from the gpu?
timber phoenix
gpu makes that noise?
signal citrus
its near the psu, so just asking
timber phoenix
how can i stop the fan?
signal citrus
which?
signal citrus
Idk, Don't think its a standard thing
foggy path
SpeedFan might do it or not
Check the GPU manufacturer, some of them have their own software that lets you control the fan settings
timber phoenix
It's zotac
foggy path
yeah see if there's something on their website.. if not, there might be some general purpose program that can do it
timber phoenix
alright thanks!
signal citrus
it might not even be spinning
depending on what gpu it is, may want to see if its spinning
my 1050ti i use for testing bugs me out like that
timber phoenix
I tried its software FireStorm
i don't think its the gpu
can't stop the gpu fan but i ramp it up and it doesn't have the grinding sound
If the psu fan is loud, is there a possibility that it's dying or?
signal citrus
grinding generally indicates something mounted too hard
timber phoenix
the fan or?
signal citrus
I don't think the psu fan would make grinding sounds unless somethings interfering with it
timber phoenix
so i should loosen the psu or fan screw?
signal citrus
I kind of doubt that would do anything with psu, which is why i was asking about the top fans
timber phoenix
but if i put my ears on the top fans, i don't hear it
signal citrus
Yeah, that is likely not it then
I estimate if its the psu fan making the sound, you'd have to just replace it to get rid of it
never open a psu
timber phoenix
Alright, i will consult the retailer. Thanks alot! 😄
ancient ingot
@bronze axle you about Nick ?
bronze axle
@ancient ingot What's up?
unkempt moat
@signal citrus late as fuck but Seasonic makes some of the best 520Ws
older model but still works like a charm 🙂
signal citrus
sweet 👍 may as well ping @timber phoenix too hah
ancient ingot
@bronze axle did you ever finish that sound project you were doing a while back? i remember watching it on twitch!
bronze axle
The synthesizer made in Unreal?
ancient ingot
yup
bronze axle
Not really. I'd like to, but it's kind of low priority at the moment.
I'm surprised you remember that. It's been years since I streamed that!
ancient ingot
haha yeah it was a long time ago now, but i hope you finish it, was really cool to see a synth being developed in a game engine !
foggy path
that sounds pretty cool yeah :D
timber phoenix
Yeah my brother's psu was seasonic
bronze axle
For sure. I'd love to finish it and figure out what to do with it. Just a matter of finding the time for it. 😄
ancient ingot
oh yeah that thing we never have enough of lol
bronze axle
Well the time is there: it's just being used for more important things.
median wraith
carmine frigate
75 pdf pages of jibberish 😛
bold fulcrum
y u no liek rendor grapf ?
carmine frigate
i have a hard time grasping the mechanics behind a zipper 😛
stiff crystal
there's this Unity forum thread that makes me bang my head to the wall.. I've unsubbed the thread a long time ago but people keep replying to my comments etc so I keep getting updates about it
it just baffles me how can people be this naive
someone pointed out that ue4 is more stable product because you mainly get few hotfixes per major ue4 release, where Unity gives fixes every week for their nonLTS versions...
so clearly the product that doesn't get constant stream of patches has to be more stable
not trying to start argument between stability in general between the two engines but that argument and logic is really funky
just for people who don't know, Unity gives out weekly versions for their 20xx.1 - 20xx.3 versions while they are being supported because they want to keep the patches flowing ASAP to users, it's not kinda setup as with other engines where hotfixes are only made if there's big enough isseus with the engine for people to bother pushing them out
signal citrus
I have nightmares about unity source code.
Don't even think they let the developers use cpp11 features yet
stiff crystal
you've had their c++ source access?
also Unity does use c++11 like feats on their HPC#, so it's not like they dislike the features, I dunno if they are still strick on native side (c/c++) engine code or not tho
bold fulcrum
Never worked with Unity's source and last time I've touched it seriously was around 5.0, that is why I have warm and lampy impressions most likely.
signal citrus
lampy, nice
fringe sundial
@stiff crystal the issue is that if you have a minor bug in ue4 you can often hack around it yourself on the code
on unity you are hyper screwed
happened to me
stiff crystal
@fringe sundial sure, you got source access on UE4
but I mean, the absurd thing here was that someone actually drew a conclusion that if some software gets less fixes, it has to be more stable
in reality, once next ue4 version is out, we'll be lucky to get one hotfix after it and new version always comes with it's own bugs/regressions
so that's hardly better than getting say, LTS that gets only bugfixes/SDK updates every two weeks for 2 years
signal citrus
only thing you can do when you run into that stuff on unity is figure out how to not do the thing that breaks the stuffs
jovial talon
heh
stiff crystal
well, it's 50% better now
as most of the their new systems are mostly on C# packages, which you get full source for
I've fixed bunch of issues just by cherry-picking Unity's master/staging branch commits
signal citrus
I've heard the compatibility between thoses things is the new headache of unity?
stiff crystal
it depends
if you use preview package, it's not usually been integrated with other preview packages
this is what makes it pain for most people who use these
if it's actually released thing, these things happen less
also yeah, there's no native side source access unless you pay $$$$, but because of that Unity's QA is very responsive usually
if there's no major events coming up or you send stuff during common holidays, their QA usually responds in a working day or two and tells if they could repro your issue
I have close to 100% solve ratio on all my bug reports there
there's also similar issue with UE4
unless you pay $$$ for UDN access, you don't get access to all commits
instead you get those 3000 commit merges where it's impossible for you to cherry-pick individual fixes
so, that waters down the full source usability a lot on UE4
if it's a fix on specific file and you somewhat know what to look for, you can still figure it out
but it could be so much better
signal citrus
but don't they just drop support for things on whim?
stiff crystal
what do you mean?
fringe sundial
current issue in unity is that old stuff is getting less support, and new stuff is unusable atm
stiff crystal
to be fair, most of their new stuff isn't released yet
it's like complaining about chaos being nonfunctional on ue4
or how niagara was for years
fringe sundial
still is
stiff crystal
they still support their legacy stuff to some extent, like fix major issues if such arise.. but that stuff has been somewhat the same for years now so there's no huge surprises there
fathom wadi
im getting sick of how Macromedia Flash is slowing down my Netscape Navigator. Wait.... no that was 15 years ago
stiff crystal
it also would make zero sense for them to keep putting new feats on engine components that already have new replacement in preview
signal citrus
they don't just drop support for old modules/packages or whatever?
stiff crystal
every software have feats that get deprecated at some point, not really sure what you mean
signal citrus
Yeah unsure what the exact issue was. it sounded like they can't use current versions of unity because the packages they made the game with are just not available nor supported anymore
stiff crystal
ah, but those are mainly 3rd party things they've bought from asset store etc
there is one thing that kinda rubbed people in the wrong way was when Unity dropped their netcode package initially (UNet) while there's no production ready replacement
but here it's important to understand that UNet was a failure to begin with, almost every serious project just used some 3rd party networking solution
anyway, after the outcry of this, Unity did change the schedule for their old netcode packages deprecation and it's still getting some updates
it of course doesn't solve anything as it's not a great solution in the first place but it is what it is
signal citrus
ah yea that could have been it
stiff crystal
just to return to the earlier comment I made... I wonder if Epic would consider giving people UDN access as part of Megagrant
as that could help those projects too
I dunno if many even try to ask this
fringe sundial
the entire point of the udn is that there arent randoms there
its literally the same as answerhub, just gatekeeped
stiff crystal
yeah
but if you are worth megagrant in Epic's eyes, you shouldn't be some clueless random to them
stuff like that could help a lot
fringe sundial
nah it devalues the value of udn
stiff crystal
wait, you don't get access to their full engine repo?
fringe sundial
not necesarely
stiff crystal
I thought you got that with UDN access
fringe sundial
this is something you discuss directly with epic
stiff crystal
like, I mean now individual commits
fringe sundial
terms and stuff
stiff crystal
ah
anyway, that's something I wish every engine user would get
but I do get potential the legal issues
fringe sundial
thing is that as far as i know full perforce use is extremelly hyper NDAd and has all the console sdks
so you need to sign all those and be dev of all consoles i think
i also know that pretty low tier teams have gotten acces to it
because ive seen that perforce myself
you mostly need to ask
stiff crystal
yeah, I suppose it's easier when you are a console dev
I've just been annoyed by the megacommits ever since Epic started doing that in 2015 or so
fringe sundial
some of the teams at the Rocket beta got access to the perforce
before the engine was opensourced
stiff crystal
I do get why they do that, but it would just be so good to have the same commits on the dev branches even
once we got those dev branches, I assumed they did that
but it ultimately changed nothing
fringe sundial
its more of a tech issue
you often see stuff like "merge from dev-rendering"
hypermegacommit
the comits are in dev-rendering
is just that they merged it as a monolyth
due to perforce shanenigans
stiff crystal
most of the things I've needed have been from some internal branch
like, coming from epic's own game projects
fringe sundial
thats def not gonna get public
tho i think fortnite is on the perforce
gears of war was
stiff crystal
anyway, the point really was that having full source available doesn't mean one can easily cherry-pick fixes if needed
this is something many expect to be possible
and since many future engine version fixes are for already changed codebase, gl merging that stuff back
fringe sundial
the Great 4.22 rendering merge
alpine fern
fortnite seems to get robomerged into master now rather than mega commits, so that's an improvement
stiff crystal
4.15 and onward, each version got different IWUY changes, so every time you merge something to newer version, you gotta fix includes and other things again
stiff crystal
4.15 was major change for that as before that we got that monolith engine include
fringe sundial
Anisotropic
alpine fern
what does this mean
stiff crystal
hmmm, that could be cool
alpine fern
y is it only for niagara
fringe sundial
yes
i havent looked, but my guess is draw indirect for niagara particle meshes
so they have LODs
and well, so they are done from the compute shaders
bold fulcrum
Niagara-Render Graph! My FPS is high as Giraffe!
fringe sundial
niagara gpu including mesh emitter
thats probably why
gpu-emitted mesh particles
alpine fern
wasn't that already using instancing
bold fulcrum
So many things should be doable from niagara
alpine fern
does it have per particle culling yet
fringe sundial
indirect can also do culling
alpine fern
is this what they mean by "niagara meshes" on the "roadmap"
fringe sundial
yup
stiff crystal
I'm still thinking of the applications for that anisotropic thing.. like obvious ones are for hair and metal getting more realistic setup (but many hair shaders do this manually anyway)
fringe sundial
niagara can already do meshes but i think not on gpu
stiff crystal
here's example from filament docs: https://google.github.io/filament/images/material_anisotropic.png
alpine fern
left looks way better
bold fulcrum
There are many applications. In some cases, landsccape could also benefit from it.
alpine fern
it doesn't have ugly shiny edges
bold fulcrum
You will loose velocity on anisotropic shading model though.
That is, velocity from vertex animation
alpine fern
does that thing existing reduce the performance of all dynamic lighting even more
bold fulcrum
Yeah, but compared to everything else happening around, increase is minimal
alpine fern
oh so it's not like a replacement for the normal one
fringe sundial
its a new shading model
vocal vapor
The real question is when is UE4 getting this fandangled thing called multi camera support for things like viewmodels.
signal citrus
i don't think anyone does this though
you can likely just alter the vertices to fake the beefy fov difference, but shadows and stuff are always the issue preventing that from working / being too expensive.
median wraith
Didn't the engine had the anisotropic thing from while ago?
The content samples come with one
bleak thicket
If Robocop would play a shooter, would we report him for aimbotting?
bleak thicket
That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works!!!
fathom wadi
I was gonna make a spoof of Robocop in VR. Created the gameplay prototype then realised I needed lots of money. So I bailed on it for now
bleak thicket
you literally cant remake Robocop with VR... i mean.... you know.... human brain.... takes ages processing and shit ;)
and you cant make it like that slowmo game, cause he is not ultrafast, he is just ultra processing
but i would literally take any game where i can shot down a ED-209
you could make a game where you are the partner of Robocop! :D
which would be kinda interesting
sharp wolf
I would like to officially say that after 4 months of BS dealing with them, TrueSKY is crap, dont use it. Way more bugs than benefits. They cant get their Rain mask to work, crahes on startup with Driver issues, lighting system causes material issues with transparent items, All kinds of work arounds to get what you want, plus you cant use niagara with it. For all those that told me its not worth it.... you were right. 😂
sharp wolf
Well since i worked with TrueSKY for the last 8 months. The first 4 were decent before we really needed some flexibility. The last few days I have been working with the UltraDynamicSky
Using TrueSKY we were at about 70-90 FPS.
UDS so far gives us everything we need, similar curve editor for colors and what not.
and we have 100-110FPS in that same area.
The weather is completely broken and the water is decent but still has issues with changing color completely within 2 seconds.
I really tried to work with support and help resolve the issues but they just never seem to get anywhere, so yeah UDS so far is looking pretty nice. lol
bold fulcrum
UDS so far gives us everything we need But is it a valid reason to label the other product crap ?
sharp wolf
You go pay $150 for something and have it so bug ridden and say you wouldnt be upset when support isnt concerned it crashes on startup.
I normally dont bitch, but i am in the middle of the conversion and its just so much changing it out. Im just irritated.
bold fulcrum
Yeah, 150$ sounds like awfully a lot for procedural volumetric cloud solution.
sharp wolf
Well being that UDS is $16 and to me looks just as good. lol
signal citrus
aye, its kind of nuts the volume they must sell at for 16 dollars to make sense
sharp wolf
I personally could never build a sky system. So im thankful they exist
but i work in the technical support industry, not having proper support is what irritates me the most.
even more than the software. lol. anyway my rant is over. HAHA. i feel better
back to curve editing. ^^
bold fulcrum
So, you like.. support the tech industry? Like Atlas supporting the World ?
signal citrus
sounds like a good story
sharp wolf
Youll flip your lid when i tell you what we had to do with for King Author when he couldnt connect to the Wifi
bold fulcrum
Onset of bright future is happening too fast.
fathom wadi
or the destruction of humanity. Either way, I wont be here to see it 😄
bold fulcrum
We be joining spectators.
sage tendon
Tomorrow? Sweet
soft night
https://twitter.com/panos_panay/status/1219044610296569856?s=20 just other way to use your tablet
Twitter
rare sparrow
tulip orbit
EVERYTHING ON TICK
bleak thicket
TICK TICK TICK ..... BOOOM!
pearl elk
Do{ShakeTheRoom();}Until(Boom);
bleak thicket
ah ;) old enough to get the reference ;)
pearl elk
Im so old I havent slept since Brooklyn
bleak thicket
haha a friend of mine, here from germany, actually immigrated to US, and is actually using a subway that is heading brooklyn on his way to work
and it seems to be like an every day event that there are tourists who starts shouting "NO SLEEP TILL...... BBBRRROOOKKKLLLYYYNNNN!!!!!!" while feeling ultra cool
pearl elk
Intergalatic drowning drowning... Im having a big shit, Im having a big shit 😛
bleak thicket
lol
pearl elk
bleak thicket
you know what is most fascinating about them?
the latest album.... like.... you know...... its as if it was 20 years laying around and they just released it for us now
i mean "now" at back that moment when it was released
every song equally interesting as every song of every album before
lol
you saw that one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2ZHkBzmHQ
like most awesome entrance to a late show ever ;)
pearl elk
wonder if they can hear the beat themselves
bleak thicket
probably something in ear
you could also play the song outside parallel, the microphones are for sure good filtered
or its just not live sung ;)
pearl elk
yeah it sounds super clean considering
those spectators would think its weird though if theyre walking around doing that in silence
bleak thicket
well they might sing and its just not recorded
i think also they switched microphones when they are in, so might be that it is really fake till to that point
pearl elk
pretty convincing either way
bleak thicket
i am surprised they were allowed to do so
like New York has really made a 180 turn after... you know... that thing
Law & Order was probably the last show that really went on location in New York
if i am not mistaken
fathom wadi
I used to love the Beastie Boys but one time, I took some acid and "Heart Attack" came on. I started getting panicky and the ceiling turned into a whirlpool so I had to turn it off. Haven't listened since :/
bleak thicket
LOL
wut.....
Un-Real, Un-ity ... Real-ity
so they were actually even too lazy to get a unique name
lusty portal
Anybody know where I could get some Egyptian textures for commersial use? Free would be nice but I'd pay for some good ones. I'm trying to make interior levels and need more textures. Not cartoony ones either lol
fluid bloom
egyptian textures?