#modding | Hearts of Iron Official Discord | Page 125

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:24 PM

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Akin to a demand becoming puppet/territory or get wargoal?...

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No idea...

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:25 PM

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Like, so far I've been basically working on getting the warlords out of the way

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:25 PM

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(I know Tibet was around 1950... But it's something that could be considered to be on their mind, so good for a somewhat plausible ahistorical thing)

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Also a good one... Personally, I would prefer if you just didnt, put them out of the way ya know, like randomly just because.

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Would also like to see a thing where the warlords refuse to integrate themselves with China (that may be in the game already tho)

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:26 PM

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So, right now I'm thinking that they should get foci to join the major factions

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:26 PM

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Oh yeah I gotta work on that for Greece as well.

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:26 PM

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There's already the United Chinese Front thing, so I dunno.

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Cause Mengkuko was a warlord, and they chose to join Japan

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:30 PM

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Hmmmm

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Better not interfere with that probably... :S

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Puppet System and when the war ends they get Annexed or something?

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:30 PM

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we'll work it out ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:30 PM

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Or a MTTH to eventually annex.

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Never understood why the Warlords always integrate but the PRC has no choice in the matter... Too railroaded imo.

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I know, being picky, but still.

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Who's to say that Guangxi Clique wouldn't go NO, then went full on Fascist or Democratical?

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:32 PM

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Probably need to change all the Chinese mechanics

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:32 PM

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Things all over the world could've gone so upside down... People tend to say no... But don't forget one guy promising conditions to workers all around, and a new age of economy started the second world war.

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:32 PM

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Don't really like them as they are

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:32 PM

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Yeah they're not that fun... They're not bad, but not good either.

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Specially the Japan thing.

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Why do you have to defeat Japan until the very end.

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Pushing them out of the mainland should be enough to ask for a peace deal or something, like an event.

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Say... An event where china gets the lands, peace is forced, and japan gets a wargoal

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That way Japan can get into the groove if it so wishes, but China has ensured its major opponent was defeated.

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'cos its annoying when Japan ends up joining the axis.

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China ends up fighting in a major world war in which it doesnt even know what is about.

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:34 PM

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Ya know, the KMT were pretty facsitic

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Might not be out of the question that they would join the Axis

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:34 PM

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Wasn't Kuomintang more like borderline fascist? As in non-ideology despotist bordering on fascist?

carmine junco Jun 30, 2016, 4:34 PM

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I have started with the Irish Tech Tree

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i mean

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focus***

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:34 PM

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They were anti communist, anti-capitalists, despots

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:35 PM

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Ok mate, nice ^^ Be sure to add alot of ahistorical content as well, dont just go for historical... Ahistorical must be plausible tho.

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:35 PM

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Pretty much textbook fascists

wet beacon Jun 30, 2016, 4:35 PM

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That doesn't mean they were fascists.

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Portuguese and Greek rulers weren't fascists.

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Yet they were all that.

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HoI2 called them Paternal Autocrats.

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It was somewhat of a despotism, tending to fascism, but not fascist.

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Anws, gtg... Ill cya later.

carmine junco Jun 30, 2016, 4:36 PM

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cya

fringe dagger Jun 30, 2016, 4:41 PM

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Night guys

wet beacon Jul 2, 2016, 1:02 PM

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So out of curiosity, anyone here knows a bit Greece's history during WW2 and surrounding periods? Could use some help filling descriptions for the national idea focuses (most are based around history stuff, so there should not be much problems)

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It's just that I'm not a native greek and I'm afraid I might fail doing it justice.

light heart Jul 2, 2016, 8:25 PM

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Not a clue from me sorry haha

lyric jacinth Jul 3, 2016, 2:32 PM

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You should look into Greater Greece (For Ideas on how to expand the Greek nation)
Also I know that Italy was suppose to hand over the dealics and Rhodes

wet beacon Jul 3, 2016, 2:33 PM

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Megali Idea. Got that.

lyric jacinth Jul 3, 2016, 2:34 PM

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Also could make an event to hand over Rhodes and the other islands(Italy was suppose to but never did)

wet beacon Jul 3, 2016, 2:34 PM

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That would make little to no sense as Italy would refuse.

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You will have to go to war for it.

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I highly doubt the Italians would ever cede a strategic province just because.

wet beacon Jul 3, 2016, 11:08 PM

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Anyone familiar with console commands on Paradox games?

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Could use figuring out what other reload variations exist besides focus and localization

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Specifically right now, events and opinion modifiers, as I cant seem to find the right name

fringe dagger Jul 3, 2016, 11:47 PM

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Check the wiki? They usually have it there

wet beacon Jul 3, 2016, 11:47 PM

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They don't =/

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Just have the official description of reload [assets]

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And I want to know is the list of said assets, as in how they're named.

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The names in the system.log or the folders doesn't work.

fringe dagger Jul 3, 2016, 11:48 PM

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Really?

wet beacon Jul 3, 2016, 11:48 PM

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Yup...

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 3:57 AM

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type help inside the console for a list of commands

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@wet beacon

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 3:58 AM

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I know, it only says reload [assets] - Reloads the specified asset

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It doesnt mention what assets are there

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And specific syntax.

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 3:59 AM

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When I used it last it had all of them

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http://www.hoi4wiki.com/Console_commands

Console commands

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:01 AM

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It's the reload command.

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reload [file name]
Reloads assets

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I want to know what file name does it mean

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'cos Focuses are not National_Focus, it's focus

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:04 AM

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Have you typed in help reload?

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:04 AM

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It just says I need to enter the file name.

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I read through logs and such

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But found nothing.

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:04 AM

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That is probably for when a asset fails to load like a gfx.

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:04 AM

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reload focus - Reloads all focuses

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reload localization - Reloads all localization

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:05 AM

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What do you want reload [file name] to do?

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:05 AM

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Events and opinion modifiers at this moment

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for a moment Im doing

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Its good to reload stuff instead of having to restart the game each time

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:06 AM

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Thats not what its for its for reloading art assets

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:06 AM

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Then why does the command allow other reloads.

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:06 AM

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Like if a icon is a big black box you can just reload it

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What do you mean?

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:08 AM

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You can reload whole focuses trees and localization files with it...

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:08 AM

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Reload what do you mean reload? Get a different focus tree?

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:08 AM

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...

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I can't really see what you're asking me to explain.

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Reload is the act of loading something again?...

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As in if a file has an issue, you fix, type reload focus

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See if it has any other errors and such?

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Kinda at a loss here.

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:10 AM

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You could do update_loc [localization tag]

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:10 AM

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But I want to reload events and opinion modifiers

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:11 AM

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From the eu4 wiki
reload [VAR] Reloads the gui (reload gui) or lua file (reload lua) type reload countryview.gui

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Do you want to trigger events?

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 4:11 AM

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...

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Nvm.

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I want to reload the whole event module.

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Which HoI 4 seems to allow.

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Clausewitz Engine 4 seems to support that, unlike Clausewitz Engine 2.5 (EU4 and CK2)

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Er, CK 2 was 2 actually I think.

ruby crest Jul 4, 2016, 4:12 AM

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You probably need to reset the game.

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You could ask on the paradox forums

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 5:54 PM

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Asked on forums, let's see what shows up.

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Apparently this reload system is entirely new to the PDX series. It literally reloads everything concerning that system.

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Unlike the EU4 which is just for guis or art.

mossy olive Jul 4, 2016, 8:33 PM

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@wet beacon Have you a come across anything in the code that stipulates the building priority of the various nations

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As an example lets say the UK is devoting 50% of its resources to Air, 25% to navy and 25% to ground forces

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 8:34 PM

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Thats's the ai_strategy folder I believe.

mossy olive Jul 4, 2016, 8:35 PM

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I was thinking an idea for a mod

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So something that shifts the parameters about to a certain degree so that one game you might find a UK that is building slighly more ships usual and another game where more planes and so on

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I mean that could go a lot deeper but you get the point

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Add some variation into the game so you have adjust your strategy a bit on a game to game basis based on what you encounter

wet beacon Jul 4, 2016, 8:36 PM

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You can do alot since there's add_strategy, remove_strategy and ai_will_do

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So under certain conditions and strength comparisons you can code to adapt it's productions

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Even it's divisions

mossy olive Jul 4, 2016, 8:37 PM

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sounds good

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Thanks

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 6:59 PM

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Anyone know how to change name picture and description of the bookmarks

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Thanks

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:00 PM

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Hearts of Iron game folder/common/bookmarks

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Those files handle those kinda infos.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:05 PM

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I tried editing it and it would Appear as that right there, any tips?

📎 6089818b-d505-484f-a74c-9cfc3033dd3e-1108902616.jpg

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:06 PM

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... name stands for name, desc for description, picture for image?

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You can check the Strings for name and description in the localisation folder.

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bookmarks_l_english.yml is the one that holds the text.

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The name currently written there is pointing to the localisation file.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:06 PM

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Ohh that's what I needed the Script because I think editing the .txt doesn't work

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:07 PM

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So, you can create a new file for the folder like... custom_bookmarks_l_english.yml

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:07 PM

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And add it to my localisation?

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:08 PM

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Startup with something like

l_english:
custom_bookmark_name:0 "New bookmark"
custom_bookmark_desc:0 "Lorem Ipsum"

On the bookmark file place...

name = "custom_bookmark_name"
desc = "custom_bookmark_desc"
date = 1936.1.1.12
picture = "GFX_select_date_1936"
default_country = "GER"
default = yes

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And bham, new text and such.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:08 PM

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Wow perfect thanks :) I'll let you know if I have any errors

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:09 PM

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Sure no biggie, just be a bit more concise on what you're looking for.

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'cos I have no idea if you're unsure about a syntax thing, or a possible error, or if you just want a sort of introductioon.

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Also... On the documents /paradox interactive/hearts of iron 4 folder, there's a log folder. Check the errors.log file to know what's wrong with the mod if something doesnt act like you wanted it to.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:11 PM

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Ah OK thanks, and Yeah I know a little about syntax but I'll be careful don't wanna mess up the mod

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:11 PM

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Dream big,
Mess up big,

Clean and fix it.

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That's how I do it.

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Do not limit yourself.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:12 PM

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:), How's the mod going ?

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:14 PM

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So far seems balanced.

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That's what my main concern is... It does seem s abit generic tho, but I'm not comin' up with anything to somewhat solve that.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:18 PM

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Ohh, what year is it based off modern day or ww2?

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:25 PM

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? Whaddya mean.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:27 PM

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The Year of the mod, Like is it Vanilla Or?

wet beacon Jul 5, 2016, 7:29 PM

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You mean mine?

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It's just natural focuses

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It's based off Greece's history

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To be used during the normal timeline ofc.

bronze gust Jul 5, 2016, 7:38 PM

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Ah very cool, It's sad they didn't add more focuses and tech to the Non Major powers

outer mulch Jul 8, 2016, 7:29 PM

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@here so I'm putting together a youtube "mod spotlight" series, and I'd love to get your top 5 favorite map related mods

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so far I'm covering:
No Fog of War
Better Terrain Map
Better Political Map
Revolutionary Graphics - Border Overhaul
and Strategic View Adjustments

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thoughts on anything else I should include?

obtuse condor Jul 8, 2016, 7:30 PM

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That reminds me, I should check out some map mods

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I am very pleased with hoi4's map already

outer mulch Jul 8, 2016, 7:30 PM

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well i do recommend checking out the ones above

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the only ones that are not directly compatible are Border Overhaul and Better Political Map; they both alter the same thing in different ways

leaden hound Jul 8, 2016, 7:34 PM

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There's one that adds a shit ton of research and units, I reccomend that I forget the name.

wet beacon Jul 8, 2016, 7:34 PM

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August Storm?

obtuse condor Jul 8, 2016, 7:34 PM

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map-related, though?

leaden hound Jul 8, 2016, 7:34 PM

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Nvm realized its map

random ravine Jul 8, 2016, 7:36 PM

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no fog of war

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what kind of casualness is this

obtuse condor Jul 8, 2016, 7:39 PM

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ofc there's a polandball mod

outer mulch Jul 8, 2016, 7:41 PM

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after map mods i'm going to do an "interface mods"

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any major overhaul mods (like august storm) will be their own videos

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@random ravine It may sound like the mod allows you to cheat, but all it does is remove the graphical "fog" which hangs over countries where you don't have information

obtuse condor Jul 8, 2016, 7:41 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707451412&searchtext=

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Adds Trump as the Fascist US leader. Not save game compatible(Mostly). Need to start a new game for the name to show up.

Now includes Bernie Sanders as the Communist faction leader....

outer mulch Jul 8, 2016, 7:42 PM

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it doesn't allow you to see through the actual fog

obtuse condor Jul 8, 2016, 7:42 PM

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goddamnit

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wonder if there's a putin mod yet

outer mulch Jul 8, 2016, 7:42 PM

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there is

obtuse condor Jul 8, 2016, 7:42 PM

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this also has bernie as communist leader

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lol

random ravine Jul 8, 2016, 7:47 PM

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I see.

cunning crypt Jul 9, 2016, 1:03 AM

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I just found the coolest mod ever. it is a victoria 2 cold war mod, it was last updated pretty recently, june 12th and it features a hoi4 converter
It seems like it is the best cold war grand strategy computer game out there currently

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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-world-order-mod.823674/

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currently, the hoi4 converter only maps provinces, but a more in depth converter is being worked on

mossy olive Jul 11, 2016, 8:08 PM

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I am guessing the ai research and divsions tweak mod wont work well with the full overhaul

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considering they both affect divisions there will probably be a lot of conflicts right

wet beacon Jul 11, 2016, 8:09 PM

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Nope.

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I did try to merge them tho.

mossy olive Jul 11, 2016, 8:09 PM

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oh that what that merge was

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well I have tried the tweak so now il try the full ai

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might try the chinese tree mod

wet beacon Jul 11, 2016, 8:12 PM

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We're currently playing MP with the best national focuses mod I found so

mossy olive Jul 11, 2016, 8:18 PM

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yeah I followed your link which is where I got the chinese one from

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 1:55 AM

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Thinking of trying and tweaking most of the mods, specially as the Chinese and Persian ones seem to be seriously time consuming

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So I might adjust some times and values so ti gets a bit more dynamic and sooner into the fray.

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Also. Danish mod needs tweak to get some recruitable population.

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 8:09 AM

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the china mod needs to have the comchi references removed and put towards that country

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:28 PM

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I didnt play a game but I launched as China with the mod and their tree seems to big and too OP

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Big in the sense that it will take forever to get to the good/final stages in a tree meaning you are ahead somewere but behind in another area

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

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You have a pic of their tree?

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

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and OP because it just gives you to much shit and to many options

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

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I can't find it

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=715497831

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. This is my first mod ever created.

Content :
-A new focus tree for China(CHI), does not include the commie one(PRC)
-some new events
-some new national spirits
-Currently in English and Russian

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This is the mod and it has pictures there

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

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And is it just China, or are there stuff for PRC and warlords?

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

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but you dont get the details

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

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k, thanks

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

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You mean if you play as PRC or warlords?

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

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Yeah

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

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In that case I do not know but the tree does involve them

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

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Apparently not

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shame

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

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give you claims and ultimatums and such

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but yeah if you do look into it you get a lot of extra factories, you can add like 4research slots I think

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:31 PM

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Doesn't seem that OP

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I'll check it out in game

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:31 PM

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and the diplo stuff gives you claims and such on all of your neighbours

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 12:32 PM

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How good is this modpack?

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=721357320&searchtext=China+National+Focus

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. This mod is a working version of something we wish to expand. We have started this mod with four countries and i'd like to see it expand. I myself (toxicgrunt) will start a next focus tree very soon (

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 12:34 PM

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Not sure but if you want to view some of those induvidually

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They can be found here http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=721772125

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Collection of mods from all over the workshop (and of different authors) that are great for general fun, some might be a bit OP, but fun nonetheless. I use these in MP with friends for extra flavour.

oak flicker Jul 12, 2016, 2:02 PM

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https://i.redd.it/zl3qpu1tun8x.gif

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http://i.imgur.com/0YCN0u0.gif

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https://media.giphy.com/media/xT8qBhukzLIZUy30E8/giphy.gif

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Woops wrong server

fringe dagger Jul 12, 2016, 2:04 PM

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@oak flicker this is modding, go top off topic.

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 2:21 PM

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the worst

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 2:39 PM

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Amazing though

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I want five

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 3:46 PM

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@wet beacon http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=720384870

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Mod Description
This is currently my first ever designed modification and servers as a testing mod for romania between myself and one other. While this mod is a work in progress, it is now in th

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:05 PM

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Will check it when I get home. Currently out >_<

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:46 PM

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Bummer. Mod sounds nice but the guy changed alot of stuff that will interfere with other mods... For no reason at all.

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Why did he changed map colors?

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"Starting unit numberd have been adjusted and are based of Romania's Order of Battle as of 2012" But it's set in 1936.

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This makes no sense.

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8 research slots and adding up to 400 oil.

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Bummer.

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:47 PM

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funny innit

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:47 PM

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Was looking forward to a Romanian National Focus tree.

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Now I'm just disappointed =/

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 5:50 PM

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wtf

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8?!?!!?

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:51 PM

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Yup.

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Haven't you heard about the crazy scientists in Romania?

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They're like Vlad's descendants.

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Borgovia and sh*t.

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xD

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 5:51 PM

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Do you know how many romanians it takes to screw in a light bulb?

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:51 PM

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I thought ceaucescu declared the dark the standard

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 5:52 PM

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The answer is 5

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1 To hold the light bulb, two to pick him up and spin him one way to screw in the bulb and two more to run in the oposite direction so the guy with the light bulb doesn't get dizzy

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These are not the people that have more research power than anyone else in the world

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:53 PM

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I think nations having 6 is absurd.

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But to be honest.

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It's a great way to make democracies interesting.

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You dont get to expand like a madman, but you can go taller than most can in shorter time.

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It kinda makes them more appealing.

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Imo, 5 should be base max with democracies getting 6.

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:53 PM

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the US being the only one that can get to six makes sense

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they're brain drainin' the whole world

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:54 PM

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The Soviets also did that.

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So...

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:54 PM

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not really

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they had to concentrate on a few prestige areas

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:54 PM

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And technically, germany should get it.

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:54 PM

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went to the moon, couldn't make a decent washing machine etc

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:54 PM

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Since most scientists came from there.

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:54 PM

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sorry went to space

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 5:54 PM

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Yeah but throughout history Russia has been known to make great invensions

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during WW2 German scientists were OP

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thats why everyone wanted to steal them towards the end of the war

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:55 PM

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counterpoint: nuclear research

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also the british jet engines were arguably better

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:55 PM

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Germany was actually doing nuclear research as well, USA just got there first I think.

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 5:55 PM

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yeah

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:55 PM

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And fair enough but still, if the Germans didnt "dream" of it.

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US and UK probably wouldnt even try.

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And that brings us to.

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Why the hell France has a special thingie for nuclear research?

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 5:56 PM

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hahaha yeah I always think whats the point

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:56 PM

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Why France in particular, and not say Poland?

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I mean Marie Curie was ... pole? polish? Forgot m' english.

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:56 PM

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german nuclear reserach was hopelessly behind

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heisenberg also got fuck all funding

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france has the nuclear thing because degaulle decided france had to have it

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france is the only western country with a completely sovereign nuclear weapons program that doesn't rely on anyone else

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:58 PM

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Yeah but in WWII timeline?

obtuse condor Jul 12, 2016, 5:58 PM

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in ww2 timeline france does not need a special tree

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 5:59 PM

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But there is one

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So after that said and done, kinda late to stop the alternative train.

mossy olive Jul 12, 2016, 6:05 PM

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FUUUUUUUUUUK

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sorry wc

wet beacon Jul 12, 2016, 6:05 PM

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Ok, so Denmark now gets 5 research slots and a total of 5% recruitable manpower bonus or 7% if fascist, similar to vanilla tree but if you happen to not go fascist you aint hurt either.

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So that's nice.

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 8:53 AM

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@here Has anyone noticed Naval and Air AI breaking with that full ai overhaul mod?

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I was playing as China and land battle seems fun but I have been uncontested in the air and I have seen only 2-3 subs in the sea at a time, my troops can swim around no problem

fringe dagger Jul 13, 2016, 9:42 AM

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Hey, has anyone here played the August storm mod?

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 9:52 AM

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Looks decent

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I wonter how helicopters work

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But I fucking hate the HOI3 like division symbols

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pain in the ass to remember what it what

fringe dagger Jul 13, 2016, 9:53 AM

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They're NATO symbols

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 1:53 PM

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You can use symbols that are added after a mod. I could give a look and see if I can make a "patch" to give ya back the regular ones if ya want.

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Although I have a sh*tton of stuff to do modding wise xD

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Currently remaking the Africa Wastelands mod...

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The one currently in the workshop is really unstable.

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 2:48 PM

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Has anyone checked if it's possible to change nation based on event?

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Im thinking of going nuts with Greek mod 😛

fringe dagger Jul 13, 2016, 2:49 PM

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Don't see any reason you shouldn't be able to.

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Then again, most nation reforms don't take place in less than 5 years, so i can see why they might not support it.

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 2:52 PM

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Hmmm, I have a theory on how they might work considering how the Demands from Germany work.

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Creation of a country without lands -> Add cores -> Then perform tag switch.

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Sharing the same focus tree akin to civil wars, or using a flag/bypass system should work.

cunning crypt Jul 13, 2016, 3:01 PM

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Why is there a need for the mod, I thought that the Sahara had 0 supply

fringe dagger Jul 13, 2016, 3:01 PM

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That's the need for it

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AI will still move troops through, getting heavy attrition

cunning crypt Jul 13, 2016, 3:06 PM

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Wow that is dumb

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 3:17 PM

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Yup.

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No one in its right mind would get troops in there.

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But you have to, because the AI will attempt to go through there.

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So if you dont put any in there.

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If you play Italy for example, you just lose Libya.

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TL;DR:

Italy loses grounds, AI loses a sh*tton of equipment and casualties

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Not to mention focus in Africa like it's the best thing ever since the invention of the wheel.

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Also.

I'm going to need some people to test my Greek mod... For now, it will be SP try out, later on, MP.

Anyone interested?

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Im making major changes to make it even more interesting.

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 3:22 PM

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wow I just saw a UK youtube add that was completely in Polish

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Like it was aimed at poles living in the uk

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 3:22 PM

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Lul?

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Im portuguese and I get a shitton of ads in chinese, spanish, english, french, german, and god knows what else.

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So... That doesn't even surprise me xD

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Either there's a lot of foreigners here, or nobody knows where Portugal is.

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 3:27 PM

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I am just suprised never had anything like this before

lusty creek Jul 13, 2016, 3:35 PM

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Ive heard polish adds for polish on the radio in Norway lol

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the poles are many in the west, start to worry tho when you hear an add in arabic.

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 4:04 PM

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Aye... its kinda normal by now to hear another european nation language in any european country...

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But anws this is the modding chat xP anyone found any nice new mods or have ideas?

fringe dagger Jul 13, 2016, 4:06 PM

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Was thinking of checking out August storm

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Seems interesting

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 4:07 PM

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Alternative WWI Outcome

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Germany won WWI

fringe dagger Jul 13, 2016, 4:09 PM

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How?

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 4:09 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=721575141

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Alpha
This mod covers an altvernative history timeline in which the central powers of World War 1 won the war.
I'm still working on this mod, there are still plenty of things to do. I uploaded t

narrow mountain Jul 13, 2016, 4:29 PM

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O shit @wet beacon your Portuguese?

fringe dagger Jul 13, 2016, 4:31 PM

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Stupid shit rectangle

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:08 PM

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Considering I've asked you once in portuguese if you were also portuguese, yea...

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:09 PM

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well you could just be a silly colonial

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:09 PM

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There's a specific word for portuguese from europe that's used >.> "tuga"

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Anws. Ragnar, isn't that Kaiserreich or something basically?

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:12 PM

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whereis your Portugal não é um país pequeno mod

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:12 PM

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"United States of Greater Austria"

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What?

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Like. Why. How.

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:12 PM

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kaiserreich calls it the danubian federation

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:12 PM

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... Why not just the Austrian-Hungarian Empire

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As it was known at the time.

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Why German Empire and not Prussian Empire

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:13 PM

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to symbolise that every people are recognised w/e

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:13 PM

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But they weren't -.-'

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This is an alternative history of happy endings, and not plausible alternative history.

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Also the mod has an independent Crimea, shameless political plug?

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 5:20 PM

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The only time Crimea was independant its tons of years ago when it was still random muslims

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:22 PM

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The Crimean Horde?

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 5:22 PM

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tbh I dont know if it even had a name

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there were just tatars living there

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:22 PM

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If you mean the Crimean Horde it wasnt that many years, as they suceeded from the Golden Horde and basically became a protectorate of the Ottomans soon enough.

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 5:22 PM

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Probably were bowing down to one of the hordes

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:22 PM

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So it was a short-timed independence.

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 5:23 PM

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Exactly it was nothing serious

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:23 PM

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where is the mod @wet beacon where http://i.imgur.com/Yj7HwxL.jpg

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I demand you get to work

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:24 PM

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That was weird. >.>

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:24 PM

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portugal nao e um pais pequeno

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:24 PM

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"Portugal is from Porto to Timor. We have no colonies. We have oversea provinces."

I know, I know.

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:25 PM

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that text too speech didnt work huh

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 5:31 PM

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It just saddens me to see so much about my own country and see it fail so miserably after so much time =/

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In the end failing everyone. Kinda feels like we failed Brasil, failed Angola, failed everything and everyone.

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Bah.

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 5:48 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=706583827 try this

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. New Update Beta 0.7 (Focus Tree)

This mod is in English and German!

Description:

The mod is in Beta and my Firs...

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?

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greeks are nuts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megali_Idea

Megali Idea

The Megali Idea (Greek: Μεγάλη Ιδέα Megáli Idéa, "Great Idea") was an irredentist concept of Greek nationalism, that expressed the goal of establishing a Greek state that would encompass all ethnic Greek-inhabited areas, including the large Greek populations that were still under Ottoman Empire occupation after the Greek War of Independence (1830).
The term appeared for the first time during the debates of Prime Minister Ioannis Kolettis with King Otto that preceded the promulgation of the 1844 constitutio...

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population exchange removed that megalis reason

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 8:56 PM

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Populating Exchange was based on religion not on the culture.

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Also, Persia Rising modder along with Lords of Winter, CZE, Better Canada, GKF, Spain, Dutch... Have agreed to ^^ Waiting for Yugoslavian and Turkish one.

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Greek will probably be replaced with my own so there wont be an issue.

obtuse condor Jul 13, 2016, 9:06 PM

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while you do that @wet beacon also modify all the major country national ideas that have a certain date for unlock. they ought to be tied to wars or events

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 9:43 PM

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Bummer, I'll have to check that. Specially hte UK ones.

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While we play, I might use some recommendations on world tensionv alues.

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 10:55 PM

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Is there a Brazil focus tree?

wet beacon Jul 13, 2016, 10:55 PM

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There's one I think but its OP

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As in 400 of each resource just because.

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hue.

mossy olive Jul 13, 2016, 10:56 PM

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I have wanted to play but as far as I know every country in South America is garuatneed my merica

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lol yeah fuck that

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I normally care more about polical side of things

fringe dagger Jul 14, 2016, 12:31 PM

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Sweet, a modern day mod: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=719416488

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Millenium Dawn is a Mod that attemps to take Hearts of Iron IV into the Year 2000 and until the year 2050. Play as Clinton, Putin or Blair! Be a reasonable leader or a genocidal maniac! Rewrite modern

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And a cold war one http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=717620160

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. This is a mod which adds a Cold War scenario into Hearts of Iron 4!

fringe dagger Jul 14, 2016, 2:51 PM

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Wowza, August storm really improves AI and combat

wet beacon Jul 14, 2016, 2:56 PM

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Time to reverse engineer it then.

fringe dagger Jul 14, 2016, 2:57 PM

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You could always just ask the guy to give it to you

wet beacon Jul 14, 2016, 3:00 PM

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I can always just take values?... And the guy seems to not be a receptive person, considering how he has treated people if they do not enjoy NATO counters.

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Some people do play for fun afterall, but that seems to be some sort of life-or-death sin to do... shrugs

obtuse condor Jul 14, 2016, 3:27 PM

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Yeah I don't understand NATO counters at all, some people are way too hardcore...

wet beacon Jul 14, 2016, 3:27 PM

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It could be fun fo rthose who enjoy, but some people dont enjoy.

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sigh

obtuse condor Jul 14, 2016, 7:19 PM

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no nato counters? I quit!

mossy olive Jul 14, 2016, 8:28 PM

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@here Anyone up for a multi game?

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sorry

wet beacon Jul 14, 2016, 8:41 PM

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I definitely need to come with ideas for neutral greece and democratical greece...

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I have some for democracy, but I have none for neutral.

mossy olive Jul 14, 2016, 8:46 PM

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Protect our borders

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Terraform all border regions to mountain

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Rig the mountain

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Convert province to wasteland if its captured

wet beacon Jul 14, 2016, 9:03 PM

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Will host soon enough

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Sorry bout that

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having issues with isp

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wants to overcharge 4x times more

wary lily Jul 14, 2016, 9:12 PM

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surrr

dire oasis Jul 14, 2016, 9:12 PM

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Maybe

ruby crest Jul 14, 2016, 9:12 PM

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you are in modding

wet beacon Jul 14, 2016, 9:12 PM

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Right.

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Durp.

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Sorry.

wet shuttle Jul 14, 2016, 10:03 PM

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... I enjoy NATO counters, what does that make me?

dire oasis Jul 14, 2016, 10:04 PM

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Just..

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Weird

wet beacon Jul 14, 2016, 10:07 PM

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No problem there... Thing is, some people don't. Why hurt those wh odon't. =/

cunning crypt Jul 15, 2016, 1:09 AM

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I kind of like them because they are useful, but it shouldnt be mandatory

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the main reason why I like them is because they display a lot of info, avoiding the need to click on the division

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but if some people prefer models, they should be able to pick whether to use nato counters or models

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I just find that they decrease the ammount of clicks needed to get info, saving micro time to do more interesting stuff like microing your divisions

mossy olive Jul 15, 2016, 1:13 AM

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yeah the counters are good if you know what are and can get used to them

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But the random picutures you put in default work for me because I rely on my memory to remember which picture I set up for what

fleet raven Jul 15, 2016, 8:28 PM

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does anyone know the name of the map mod that august storm uses?

cunning crypt Jul 16, 2016, 3:24 AM

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I am playing with the extended rework mod

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Great mod

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I like all the new types of equipment added as well as the new constructions, tech, and other changes

obtuse condor Jul 16, 2016, 2:20 PM

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@wet beacon http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=721357320

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. This mod is a working version of something we wish to expand. We have started this mod with four countries and it aims to add focus trees. All focus trees are very well done and the thumbnail will be

wet beacon Jul 16, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Im part of that team atm yea

visual bramble Jul 16, 2016, 4:49 PM

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Yo @wet beacon

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Do you guys use github?

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I'd like to help with the flavoutext of units and tanks.

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Since a lot fo them are missing.

wet beacon Jul 16, 2016, 4:50 PM

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Hmmm personally I dont.

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Units and tanks?

visual bramble Jul 16, 2016, 4:50 PM

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Well you know.

wet beacon Jul 16, 2016, 4:50 PM

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You mean the names?

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That's another mod I think.

visual bramble Jul 16, 2016, 4:50 PM

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And descriptions.

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Yeah.

wet beacon Jul 16, 2016, 4:50 PM

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We're only National Focuses.

visual bramble Jul 16, 2016, 4:50 PM

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Ah okay.

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Thought it is a megaprojekt.

wet beacon Jul 16, 2016, 4:50 PM

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Yeah, concerning National Focuses.

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I think.

obtuse condor Jul 17, 2016, 6:29 PM

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when you take a capital you should get a national unity boost of 5 if you have less than 90 or so

wet beacon Jul 17, 2016, 6:30 PM

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Hmm

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Make it less than 70 or something

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So it isnt too OP, but gives some chance for nations who got it too low

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To go up.

obtuse condor Jul 17, 2016, 6:30 PM

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well the focus trees dont give stuff when you are over 90 either

wet beacon Jul 17, 2016, 6:31 PM

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I also think some nations that get cores, should lose some national unity, to reflect the fact that its a larger land or osmething.

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In some cases at the very least.

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True. But that means its pointless to have such mechanic in the first place.

obtuse condor Jul 17, 2016, 6:31 PM

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the only problem is it isnt adjusted with success over time

wet beacon Jul 17, 2016, 6:37 PM

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Hmmm

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Theoretically you could calculate it with events and such.

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Just not seeing the "How"

cunning crypt Jul 17, 2016, 7:23 PM

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That seems very exploitable

obtuse condor Jul 18, 2016, 7:50 AM

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a different finland mod? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=726280437

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. After reviewing Paradox's generic and country specifc focus trees, it becomes evidently clear that they seem lacking and are usually completed far before the theoritical end-point of the game. As a mo

wet beacon Jul 18, 2016, 1:14 PM

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Will wait for more comments on that... Too fresh x.x

carmine sierra Jul 18, 2016, 5:38 PM

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Finland is not real

obtuse condor Jul 19, 2016, 2:28 AM

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^

chilly rose Jul 19, 2016, 4:00 AM

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the problem with the gkf focus tree got fixed

obtuse condor Jul 19, 2016, 4:00 AM

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is there a Finland conspiracy mod yet

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that removes Finland from the game

obtuse condor Jul 19, 2016, 3:21 PM

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that mod has some powerful bonuses but they are all deep in teh tree

wet beacon Jul 19, 2016, 3:25 PM

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Define powerful, OP powerful or hell yeah feels like I actually got somewhere powerful?

obtuse condor Jul 19, 2016, 3:25 PM

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15% bonus to inf

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org, attack/defense

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 7:24 AM

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anyone know a good ROC mod?

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like more resources / focus tree etc

fringe dagger Jul 20, 2016, 7:28 AM

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ROC?

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 7:30 AM

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Republic of China (China)

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Not PRC

fringe dagger Jul 20, 2016, 7:30 AM

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Yeah, there's one

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 7:30 AM

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hmmm

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which one

fringe dagger Jul 20, 2016, 7:30 AM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=721357320

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. This mod is a working version of something we wish to expand. We have started this mod with four countries and it aims to add focus trees. All focus trees are very well done and the thumbnail will be

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This is a few nations, but there's a focus tree for Republic of China

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 7:31 AM

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Cheers

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Does it just do focueses?

fringe dagger Jul 20, 2016, 7:32 AM

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yeah

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 7:33 AM

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K

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Do you know any for like resources and stuff ?

fringe dagger Jul 20, 2016, 7:33 AM

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No

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Sorry 😛

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 7:34 AM

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All goo

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d

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cheers anyway

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 4:58 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=722285022 kiwi focuses

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. I have modded in a National focus tree for New Zealand with branches focusing on politics, colonialism, the commonwealth, economic development and millitary affairs.

I have also added in a few even

wet beacon Jul 20, 2016, 4:59 PM

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Let's just hope that one doesnt annex Australia automatically xD

obtuse condor Jul 20, 2016, 5:01 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=702009790

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. The Beta of a little mod which includes:

A national focus tree for Austria (only thing new right now is the political side which allows annexation of the old Dual Monarchy lands. All other fo

wet beacon Jul 20, 2016, 5:02 PM

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That's interesting, but... Starting description with annexation aint that good xD

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I wanna do stuff for portugal as well but I aint going nuts with annexations

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xD

fringe dagger Jul 21, 2016, 12:13 AM

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But, what's the point of playing as Austria? You're going to get Anschlussed pretty much instantly

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 2:07 PM

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@obtuse condor
Finally am trying the mods you've posted here.

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Finland one, has an awesome looking focus tree.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 2:07 PM

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if you cant get behind maga @fringe dagger you gotta get out bra

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 2:07 PM

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However, it messes with the map and it adds a new ideology which also influences other nations.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 2:09 PM

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whats five new provinces among f riends who can't walk across the sahara

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 2:09 PM

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It means Greece is unable to hold its own capital.

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They have the same ID.

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Mods that deal with maps, unless its only changing currently existing ones, its a big no-no.

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F..ks everything up.

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And the new ideology thing...

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 2:27 PM

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That moment when you're doing sh*t, offer to merge and give ideas. 5 seconds later the guy you offered stuff is posting on Steam claiming he had ALL the ideas.

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.... So much for the whole sharing huh.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 2:40 PM

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Blame the economy

fringe dagger Jul 21, 2016, 2:41 PM

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Fucking economy

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 2:41 PM

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Quite.

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 3:06 PM

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Just saw the Austrian mod.

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My comment is... Freakin' lulz.

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Thinking of removing the China national focus from the collection.

fringe dagger Jul 21, 2016, 3:11 PM

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Why?

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 3:25 PM

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Way too OP.

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At this point Japan could sue us all for bullying

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lol

fringe dagger Jul 21, 2016, 3:35 PM

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Lol

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So, you don't not need me to make a China mod anymore?

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 3:39 PM

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?

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I think it would be great.

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The one in Steam is like crazy OP

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So japan stands no chance

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That's the problem in my collection right now.

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China literally demolishes japan

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 3:41 PM

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fix the english tree

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:02 PM

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so I dont have to

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:05 PM

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?

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Oh you mean the time gates.

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I have asked for opinions on the world tension values as I dont play the UK

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No one has given me ANY so far.

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I have values on my mind, but Im afraid to go with them because I dont want USA 2.0

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xD

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Also, finally found out how the hell you can place thumbnails on Steam shit

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So everything has pics xD

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:06 PM

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meh

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I am going to make the gasmask one available if the UK is at war with one of the big boys OR germany has eaten austria

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:07 PM

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Hmmm fair enough.

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I was going for 50% World Tension probably or the time value

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:08 PM

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austrian anschluss should probably only give claims if it is a puppet or in a hostile alliance

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because just disappeareing is weird

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:08 PM

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... If the Austrians accept it, it should work as it is now.

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Just because they were in an alliance or guaranteed or whatever, doesnt mean the people wouldnt agree.

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It wasn't an attempt against the integrity of the nation as Demand Sudentenland or Demand Slovenia were.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:10 PM

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if it's a puppet they wouldn't get asked

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if they are in someone elses alliance they already picked sides

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and yes it's very much against the integrity of the nation

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:12 PM

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Then all writings should be changed?... As people seemed to completely embrace the Anschluss

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Only later on regretting.

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I'm not defending the Anschluss, but it happened as it happened

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:12 PM

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getting invaded by the german army and only getting asked afterwards if you agree

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:15 PM

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Yet there's writing on how people received the germans with applause and such?

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I don't think the french received the german that way.

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Im not saying Anchluss was agreed completely, or everyone agreed.

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But it did happen unlike a regular invasion.

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And it was more akin to a diplomatic annexation albeit a somewhat aggressive one.

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Most repressions and such happened AFTER the anschluss.

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At most you can increase the effect of partisans on Austrian territory afte rthe anschluss

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Decrease it I mean. As in, when they get to be occupied by somebody else, they will cooperate with the new occupation as they seek to destroy the German Reich.

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That's the very least I can think that makes sense.

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It's not like Austria was literally similar to Czechoslovakia.

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But then again, I can only conclude this from what I can read online or in books.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:20 PM

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please

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the german wehrmacht entered teh country first

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does the has_war trigger work on civil wars?

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:23 PM

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It is a war.-

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:54 PM

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what happens if you give germany claims on alsace from the beginning

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:55 PM

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They could probably justify war goal on it and declare war straight away

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It would make sense true

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But the AI is... special.

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Remember what Hungary does with Czechoslovakia?

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:56 PM

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dont you mean the other way

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:56 PM

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That's with the mod.

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Without the mod on 1.0

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Remember what Hungary did?

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:56 PM

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no

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:56 PM

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Well Hungary justified on Romania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia

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So within sometime it just started bashing people

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Like Bulgaria went vs Romania if it had the chance.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:58 PM

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a missing ai_will_do is the same as setting it to factor =1 right

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 4:58 PM

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Not sure.

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But if there's only one option, it should.

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Although in Eu4, he would just freeze and not pick anything.

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So the game auto picsk for it like 2 months later.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 4:59 PM

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just trying to get the brits to boost that comonwealth country with a player first

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that tree is missing a lot of ai will dos

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also going to tell poland to not create a faction with a human eng or ger

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actualyl I better tell the ai to skip teh whole poland first tree i nthat case

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 5:07 PM

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The poland tree, the best way to fix

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Is look at ai_will_do on Internationalism and Poland First.

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Poland First has like 10

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Internationalism has like 0.2

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Make it 5 and 5

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Done.

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With Internationalism gets like +5 if guaranteed by someone, -5 if not.

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If UK ever guarantees he'll consider basically.

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 5:09 PM

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the AI picks it too early for that

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have you ever noticed how in the uk tree jap/sov/ita have to be in an offensive war to be embargoed but germany is just "oh you exist?"

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going to add removal of maginot forts when france falls

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 6:07 PM

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game is not loading my modified event file wtf

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oh

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that cocksucking persia mod edits the french events

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 7:17 PM

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Why are you editing France? :S

obtuse condor Jul 21, 2016, 7:26 PM

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going to add removal of maginot forts when france falls

wet beacon Jul 21, 2016, 8:09 PM

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Are you going to replace any of the already existing events?

obtuse condor Jul 22, 2016, 7:17 AM

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no need, just add it to the existing event.

wet beacon Jul 22, 2016, 5:08 PM

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If you just want to add, create a separate file instead of replacing an already existing one.

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That way, more compatibility.

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Only use the same file specifically if you need to replace one of the original events.

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You can add like FRA_new_event.txt, since the condition on which nation is on the

trigger = {
    tag = FRA
}

Although if you want for it to work even in case of a post-civil war scenario use

trigger = {
  original_tag = FRA
}

obtuse condor Jul 22, 2016, 5:41 PM

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the easiest way is to simply add the commands to the fall of france event

wet beacon Jul 22, 2016, 5:50 PM

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Fair enough. It will raise a ton of incompatibilities with any othe rmods in the future.

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But in the end the choice is yours.

obtuse condor Jul 22, 2016, 6:02 PM

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it's more work to try and give the maginot a separate event than just ride the coat tails of another when france falls

wet beacon Jul 22, 2016, 6:02 PM

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Fair enough. But if anybody happens to make any change to that file, be it Paradox or a modder.

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Your mod will fail.

obtuse condor Jul 22, 2016, 6:03 PM

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that's always a risk

wet beacon Jul 22, 2016, 6:03 PM

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I was just saying that you should place on a different file 'cos you would reduce said risk.

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Ensuring less problems and troubles in the future for you.

obtuse condor Jul 22, 2016, 6:05 PM

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I am already editing the national focuses

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you think this matters :p

wet beacon Jul 22, 2016, 6:06 PM

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Considering the heavy use of ideas for most national focuses, unless you also changed the ideas themselves, longterm compatibility is somewhat ensured.

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Since Im seeing the effects changed and not the costs or what not.

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Although they did made the Around Maginot focus alot faster.

obtuse condor Jul 22, 2016, 6:48 PM

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oh no mate I am going to send it all to youuuuu for inclusion in the national focus compendium

wet beacon Jul 22, 2016, 7:01 PM

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....

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The group thing is not my own, you'll have to pm toxicgrunt on Steam for that.

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The collection itself is mine tho, but personally, I only see a point in the british focuses and such.

obtuse condor Jul 26, 2016, 3:56 PM

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@wet beacon don't know if you've noticed but that greece mod conflicts with finland invicta

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because it too modifies the map

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they're both terrible

wet beacon Jul 26, 2016, 4:11 PM

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... I have said that about the Greek mod several times.

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Main reason why Turkish mod ended up having a compatibility version which the author so kindly provided.

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There's a thanks note on the Collection description as well...

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And the Finland Invicta kinda looks more like a "boner mod"

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Main reason why I dont want to make my mods (which ar enational focuses ones) to touch anything related to map or other similar stuff.

At most, it will change localization, starting stuff (history, countries and units) and that's prety much it, the rest is focus and event related... If I need to change some stuff, worst to worst, I'll probably make custom hidden events which fire in the first day so it applies ove rother stuff as to avoid compatibility issues.

obtuse condor Jul 27, 2016, 4:05 PM

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@wet beacon http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=728986314

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Portuguese Total Rework:

National Focus Tree added. (Done but still open to new ideas)
Infantry / Support / Armor / Air / Naval trees done;
Portugal starts Fascist; (Political power rework)

wet beacon Jul 27, 2016, 4:06 PM

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...

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That's a complete abortion.

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I'm not even discussing that mod.

obtuse condor Jul 27, 2016, 4:07 PM

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you going to use that combined national focus mod in your collection at some point to cut down on issues for mp

wet beacon Jul 27, 2016, 4:08 PM

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What combined national focus mod?

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There's like 3-4

obtuse condor Jul 27, 2016, 4:09 PM

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the one you contribute to

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or claimed to

wet beacon Jul 27, 2016, 4:09 PM

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Probably... Issue is, modders aint updating it constantly apparently.

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At least there's quite the differences between the original mods and the combined version.

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Also, I'm only going to just say one thing, have you noticed Salazar's head in the focus tree or the Leopard tank (the modern one) in 1945 tank? Freakin' insane.

obtuse condor Jul 27, 2016, 4:14 PM

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lol

wet beacon Jul 27, 2016, 4:28 PM

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The worst I look at it the worst it gets.

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Jesus christ, kill it with fire.

obtuse condor Jul 28, 2016, 1:42 PM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=732875298

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Historical Aircraft and
Licensing Overhaul Mod (HALO)

Adds many new aircraft manufacturers to the game (e.g. Sukhoi, Bell, and countless others - see the bottom of the description for full list

wet beacon Jul 28, 2016, 1:44 PM

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...Air fetish mod >.>

obtuse condor Jul 28, 2016, 1:46 PM

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Yeah, where's the tanks

wet beacon Jul 28, 2016, 1:54 PM

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And it changes all focus trees... And events that give you guarantees from ideology leaders soon as you flip.-

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...The hell.

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What I really want is a mod that makes navy more interesting.

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That aint just a Light Cruiser or Submarine spam.

fringe dagger Jul 28, 2016, 1:55 PM

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Well, it kinda was light cruiser and sub spam irl

wet beacon Jul 28, 2016, 1:58 PM

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Considering how the game is, it's a shitty situation to pull out the "historical" card >.>

obtuse condor Jul 28, 2016, 7:51 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/4v0lrr/vic2_to_hoi4_converter_01_now_released/

Vic2 To HoI4 Converter 0.1 now released • /r/paradoxplaza

Links ~~Direct Download~~ So, the mods at the forums seem to be cracking down on external links. I'd prefer not to invoke their ire, so...

obtuse condor Jul 30, 2016, 8:30 AM

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@wet beacon shouldn't you include http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=727151671 over http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=711393393 in your collection?

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. For manual downloads and a central hub containing the most up-to-date information (since otherwise I have to update 3 separate Workshop pages!), refer to the thread on the Paradox forums [url=https:/

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seems more interesting

wet beacon Jul 30, 2016, 2:02 PM

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... You do realize it's already included, it has been for 2 days already.

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Anws, off to play some Battlefield 1942 and MOHAA.

obtuse condor Jul 30, 2016, 2:16 PM

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@wet beacon there are two different ones

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that's the question here

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which one

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is the better option

wet beacon Jul 30, 2016, 2:16 PM

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Using the one with the changed values.

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Not the names only.

obtuse condor Jul 30, 2016, 2:16 PM

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I thought both chang ethe values

wet beacon Jul 30, 2016, 2:16 PM

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One just changes the name for flavour

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The other changes the names for flavour and also tweaks the values to make it more interesting.

obtuse condor Jul 30, 2016, 2:17 PM

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one is called "not so generic"

wet beacon Jul 30, 2016, 2:18 PM

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Oh there's three versions total.

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My bad.

obtuse condor Jul 30, 2016, 2:18 PM

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and the other is "not so generic rework"

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yeah three versions

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are you sure you picked the right one :p

wet beacon Jul 30, 2016, 2:19 PM

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Picked the general buff one...

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Will check this one later.

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I liked the general buff because fascism ended up only having 2% pop bonus, so that was interesting.

obtuse condor Jul 30, 2016, 2:19 PM

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the guy is not helping with the similar names

wet beacon Jul 30, 2016, 2:19 PM

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I hope this one is similar in that aspect, there's still extra manpower but its not fascist only.

obtuse condor Jul 30, 2016, 2:20 PM

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one of them got rid of the fascist specific manpower boost

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but w/e

gusty canopy Aug 1, 2016, 3:22 AM

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Modders Help. I want to rename german reich into "Greater Nazi Reich" bc the entirety of europe is not german. so the country should not have german in the name. pls help

latent sonnet Aug 1, 2016, 3:32 PM

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you can just change the name in the localisation files

lucid merlin Aug 2, 2016, 1:15 PM

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10/10 mod http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=729635729&searchtext=

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Ironman compatible

If you like this immersion mod check out my other one, Seinfeld Overhaul: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=712901674...

obtuse condor Aug 16, 2016, 8:37 AM

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=741805475

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. This mod attempts to create an AI that manages its country as efficiently as possible. Aside from Africa, this mod makes no changes to the gameplay or country setup whatsoever for the player. This is

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Mods to the rescue

spare roost Aug 18, 2016, 6:14 AM

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is there like a cold war mod or a modern day mod?

lucid merlin Aug 19, 2016, 6:07 AM

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search steam mang

fringe dagger Sep 1, 2016, 2:55 PM

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BLACK ICE IS OUT

obtuse condor Sep 1, 2016, 7:30 PM

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lol that blackice mod

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707136443

Steam Workshop: Hearts of Iron IV. Black ICE HOI IV Version 1.0

Black ICE is a mod which aims to overhaul HOI IV in order to make a more immersive, historical, and challenging experience for the player. We aim to tread a fine line b

cunning crypt Sep 4, 2016, 1:01 AM

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black ice is out for real

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not 100% complete but it is a real release

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for example, only the german and british focus trees are complete

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the rest are vanilla

obtuse condor Sep 4, 2016, 6:34 AM

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@cunning crypt yeah no

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the entire SS focus tree is placeholders

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except for the first two focuses

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I'm gonna wait until the mod is a bit more fleshed out

cunning crypt Sep 4, 2016, 8:05 AM

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I didn't test it that much, so I didn't realize that

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It is nice to have a semi complete black ice though

obtuse condor Sep 4, 2016, 10:44 AM

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so I made a music mod for the Commonwealth nations a while ago

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adds about 3.5 hours of music for the UK, Canada, Raj, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand

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I've got more than enough tracks for the UK in general, but I need suggestions for SA, Canada, Australia and NZ

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http://pastebin.com/Eb9whfJ9

Pastebin

79th Farewell to Gibraltar A Life on the Ocean Wave A Nightingal...

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that's the current playlist

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Canadians have 6 tracks, SA - 1 and Aussies - 1

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the UK has 68 tracks that play for all Commonwealth nations

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any suggestions?

crude oak Sep 4, 2016, 8:39 PM

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Has anyone played the czechoslovakia focus tree mod? It's hard but pretty 👌

cunning crypt Sep 5, 2016, 12:25 AM

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I have

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I managed to not die

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ww2 started early

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I refused to give any territory

rotund ermine Sep 5, 2016, 3:15 AM

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Hey

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So

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I was wondering

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Where are the leader desc files/file thing found?

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Basically I'm making a custom leader but I can't find the proper file to put his description in

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I have checked all the localization files that seemed relevant

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this one is driving me nuts

obtuse condor Sep 5, 2016, 6:04 AM

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@rotund ermine common, I would imagine

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hang on, let me check it for you

crude oak Sep 5, 2016, 7:15 PM

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Has anyone figured out how to play the Iran mod? Fascism seems inevitable, but GB likes to intervene then...

obtuse condor Sep 6, 2016, 8:16 AM

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does anybody know how factors work in scripts?

mossy olive Sep 6, 2016, 6:32 PM

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like AHK?

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And what do you mean by factors I am pretty newb but I have used AHK before

obtuse condor Sep 6, 2016, 8:33 PM

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@mossy olive hang on

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uh

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right

obtuse condor Sep 6, 2016, 10:48 PM

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every time I try to copypaste the code, it goes bananas

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@mossy olive http://pastebin.com/c9t1EXTg

Pastebin

music = { song = "BEL1" chance = { factor = 1 modifier = { fact ...

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see factor?

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as far as I know, all it does is multiply whatever the original value is

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say the MTTH for something is 100 days

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and the factor was set to 0.8 if some conditions are met

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in theory that would mean that if those conditions are met, then the actual MTTH will be 80, not 100

mossy olive Sep 7, 2016, 6:06 PM

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@obtuse condor Ok, well I am pretty crap with this stuff anyway so I might not be right

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but its looks to me that your lines might not make sense

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also

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from Chance = onward doesnt really make sense to me either

obtuse condor Sep 7, 2016, 6:58 PM

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@mossy olive well, those lines work

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I know that for certain

rotund ermine Sep 9, 2016, 4:26 AM

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Anyone know of any mods that fix the Soviet Union being able to annex eastern poland even when Poland is in axis?

misty knot Sep 9, 2016, 10:02 AM

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I would say change the parameters for the event to trigger if Poland is not in faction (I know that exists in the API) but IDK if the API includes "not in faction X" or "not in faction with X"

obtuse condor Sep 9, 2016, 2:12 PM

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@misty knot it's logic, mate

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all it needs is "is in faction with country"

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and then you feed it NOT of that condition

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or something to that effect, anyway

rotund ermine Sep 9, 2016, 4:01 PM

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Yeah, I guess I'll just write it myself

obtuse condor Sep 10, 2016, 11:33 AM

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`music = {
song = "schwarzbraun_ist_die_haselnuss"

chance = {
    factor = 1
    modifier = {
        factor = 0
        NOT = {
            OR = {
                tag = GER
                tag = AUS
            }
        }
    }
    modifier = {
        factor = 0
        OR = {
            date < 1936.01.10
            AND = {
                has_start_date > 1936.01.02
                date < 1939.8.24
            }
        }
    }
    modifier = {
        factor = 2
        has_war = no
    }
    modifier = {
        factor = 1.5
        any_country = {
            has_war_with = ROOT
            surrender_progress > 10
        }
    }
    modifier = {
        factor = 2
        any_country = {
            has_war_with = ROOT
            surrender_progress > 50
        }
    }
}

}`

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I'm trying to work this out

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that's from paradox's own scripting

rotund ermine Sep 10, 2016, 2:55 PM

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It could have something to do with the musics title?

obtuse condor Sep 10, 2016, 3:22 PM

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the song plays when bla bla

rotund ermine Sep 10, 2016, 3:32 PM

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Oh, you were trying to figure out what it does?

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What Riso said

nocturne harbor Sep 12, 2016, 1:50 PM

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ADD MUSIC TO THIS

obtuse condor Sep 13, 2016, 4:13 PM

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@rotund ermine @rotund ermine no shit

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I'm trying to figure out what factor is supposed be based on

signal coyote Sep 14, 2016, 6:23 PM

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Is there a mod that allows strategic bombers to function as light transports

mighty loom Sep 15, 2016, 5:07 AM

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@signal coyote Couldn't you just build transport planes?

cunning crypt Sep 15, 2016, 7:17 AM

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^

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Also, strategic bombers often weren't built to carry troops

rotund ermine Sep 15, 2016, 7:26 AM

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Yeah

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Pretty rarely, I'd say

cunning crypt Sep 15, 2016, 7:59 AM

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What is more badly needed is multiroles

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 9:38 AM

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You mean like the Spitfire was in HOI3?

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They were multirole aircraft.

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Although, why not build heavy fighters like Blenheims/Mosquitos/Beaufighters?

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Sorry for only using British aircraft, I only play as His Majesty's Government.

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 3:54 PM

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@half dagger I'll be honest, that sounds borderline autistic, but I guess I get it

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as much as I like the UK in HoI, playing the same nation over and over again would've become boring real fast

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National pride is a thing

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@obtuse condor there is a fine line between pride and this

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then again, I never got the notion of being proud of something that wasn't even your accomplishment in the first place

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admiration? sure

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pride? not really, no

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but that's just me

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:01 PM

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I did state that I suffered from Aspergers.

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Aspergers is a condition on the autism spectrum, silly.

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:01 PM

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I assumed that was a joke, lad

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Fighter related, I assumed fighters were superior to heavy ones

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after all, everybody on the internet is an autist

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:01 PM

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Of course it's an autistic thing to do! Repetitive stereotypical behaviours!

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Well, there's a difference between me and the internet.

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The internet autistic is technically a moron.

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:02 PM

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Heavy fighters are cheaper to produce than heavy fighters >.>

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:02 PM

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Wait, what?

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:02 PM

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Oh, just oil wise

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:03 PM

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Oh...

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I don't see how.

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Since it's a heavier aircraft due to not only the extra weaponry and armour, but the fuel capacity and engine size.

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But still...

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The extra operational range is glorious for covering the seas.

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And don't worry, Heinrich. Everyone uses autistic now, even when it doesn't apply to someone who has the condition.

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I'm not offended, so don't worry.

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How was your day?

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Silence has fallen.

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:09 PM

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@obtuse condor heavy fighters are also less capable in a fight

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that is, they are less agile and manoeuvrable

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:10 PM

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Indeed, their function is to act as an escort for strategic bombers.

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Since the range of a strategic bomber is huge in comparison to a single seat fighter.

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The problem there is that since you're venturing into enemy territory...

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They have their more agile and potent figthers to fight your slower heavy ones.

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:11 PM

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basically, never produce heavy fighters unless you literally have nothing else to produce

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:12 PM

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Or never use strategic bombers?

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:12 PM

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basically, unless you are the US

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:12 PM

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Stick to tactical bombers.

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You want that infrastructure intact for when your army inevitably arrives there.

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Still, you never answered my question, sir.

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How was your day?

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:17 PM

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I should have made tactical bombers to get rid of those forts by Cairo

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:19 PM

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Yeah, that or CAS.

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Since CAS, at least for HOI3, is the poor mans tactical bomber.

obtuse condor Sep 15, 2016, 4:23 PM

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Had plenty of those

half dagger Sep 15, 2016, 4:31 PM

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Good.

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Air support is a wonderful thing to have.

wet shuttle Sep 15, 2016, 10:57 PM

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You want heavy fighters and tactical bombers for places not Western Europe

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Because the damn airzones and lack of airports gives range penalties

small mantle Sep 16, 2016, 7:20 PM

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what so whta planes are good to use?

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just in general

ruby crest Sep 16, 2016, 10:35 PM

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Its always been light planes

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Still is. Heavy planes use is inside area with low ammounts of air ports

rotund ermine Sep 16, 2016, 11:25 PM

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Heavy planes if you want to feel badass

cunning crypt Sep 17, 2016, 6:44 AM

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Heavy planes are good for bomber hunting and bomber escort

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Also, they have longer range at tech level 1

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The real advantage is that they shred bombers and are great at escort

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Also they need less resources

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Useful for Germany

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Which is rubber and oil starved

obtuse condor Sep 17, 2016, 9:29 AM

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do you still boost speed and agility on them

ruby crest Sep 17, 2016, 10:55 AM

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@obtuse condor Yes speed and agility is soo important
@cunning crypt Heavy fighters consume the same ammount of rubber but light do consume more oil

obtuse condor Sep 17, 2016, 11:55 AM

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the lights eat the heavies in combat though right

half dagger Sep 17, 2016, 2:50 PM

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Well...

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It depends really.

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Since a heavy fighter is slow, cumbersome and not very agile.

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However, it makes up for it by being somewhat of a bullet sponge and having more in regards to guns.

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So, the heavies may not be able to survive a 1v1 dogfight with a single seat fighter, but if you have a fair amount that are well equipped, maybe even improved as a variant or being technologically ahead of the enemies fighters...

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It could actually reverse and the heavies will chew the fighters up instead.

obtuse condor Sep 17, 2016, 3:02 PM

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Air war is 1vs1 though, sometimes 2vs1

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Beef up fighters agility and the heavy will be dead meat

obtuse condor Sep 17, 2016, 3:28 PM

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UK can have real Churchill tanks before Spitfire planes, assuming WT is kept low...

half dagger Sep 17, 2016, 3:59 PM

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I love British tank design.

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Even if it's so deluded that it deserves to be put into a padded cell with no windows or light.

cunning crypt Sep 17, 2016, 4:21 PM

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Yeah, but heavy fighters are superior combat wise even against normal fighters, they are just way more expensive

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But the real use is if you have oil shortages, want more range, want to escort your bombers, or want to intercept bombers

rotund ermine Sep 17, 2016, 4:24 PM

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The better range is really gud

obtuse condor Sep 17, 2016, 4:53 PM

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I always get told speed/agility is the king for air warfare. A normal fighters has a agility of 55.0 (1936) while the heavy is down on only 25.

cunning crypt Sep 17, 2016, 7:34 PM

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Heavy fighters have good speed

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Amazing firepower

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Agility and production cost is where they suffer

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Even vs normal fighters, plane for plane, they are superior

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Production cost wise, light fighters will beat heavy fighters in light fighter vs heavy fighter combat

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And in both aspects, heavy fighters shred bombers

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And are gods at escort

obtuse condor Sep 17, 2016, 7:47 PM

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@half dagger I love British tank design.

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As much as I obsess over all things British, I have to say that you'd love anything British

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whether brilliant or terrible

ruby crest Sep 17, 2016, 8:56 PM

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Also dont forget the most important aspect heavy fighters range. This makes them much better inside non european areas

outer mulch Sep 18, 2016, 3:02 AM

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@here anybody know how the variables FROM, PREV, ROOT, THIS, etc. work?

half dagger Sep 18, 2016, 8:35 AM

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@obtuse condor You'd be right there, sir. I see the bright side in practically everything that's British and even consider how it could have been modified to actually work!

ruby crest Sep 18, 2016, 5:25 PM

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@outer mulch Every event has a root, and from

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Example if it was triggered on country X root would get you back to country X scope

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They also arnt variables they are scopes

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Prev is used to back space out of the scope

ruby crest Sep 18, 2016, 6:15 PM

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If you want to know how to use them as a variable. Example = this. What ever scope you are in is this.

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Example annex_country = { target = EST }

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If the events "root" is the country you want to annex it would be target = root.

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Like if a country event fires it finds a neighbour country and them annexes him self. Because the root is the original country you can use target = root

outer mulch Sep 18, 2016, 10:14 PM

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thanks zak, that helps a lot

ruby crest Sep 18, 2016, 10:24 PM

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I did some stellaris modding so I understand the scope thing.

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:27 AM

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just released v0.3 of my mod, Perfect Storm

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https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/53fhh9/mod_perfect_storm_the_multiplayer_balance_mod/

[Mod] Perfect Storm - The Multiplayer Balance Mod • /r/hoi4

I've just released version .3 of Perfect Storm, my attempt to improve the multiplayer gameplay of HOI4, and it feels ready enough to throw out to...

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it's a multiplayer balance mod that primarlly focuses on adjusting the world tension mechanics to not screw over the axis and allow for a slower ramp up to the war

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instead of every faction at war and all countries going crazy in 37 and the game over in 41

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 7:26 AM

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@outer mulch sounds neat, but we usually achieve that via house rules

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thanks for the effort though

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 1:44 PM

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well yeah, but house rules are not ideal

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 1:44 PM

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Why not

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 1:45 PM

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the goal of the mod wsa to vastly reduce the number of necessary house rules

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becuase they are impractical

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one of the advantages of computer games over tabletop games is that the game enforces the rules

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in a tabletop game, every person playing needs to know the rules completley, and they need to enforce them if someone forgets or cheats

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that's a lot of extra management going on in addition to actually playing the game

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comptuer games allow players to engage without having to also perform the mental task of memorizing and enforcing

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so if you go to play HOI4 with someone but require them to memorize 4 pages of additional rules beyond the game, you're much more likely to a) run into problems and b) have less fun while you try to enforce the rules

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it's not a big deal when you're playing with 3-4 friends who all know and agree on the rules

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but we regularly try to play with 12-20

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and that gets much much harder

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games can also enforce much more subtle and specific rules

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it's easy to tell people "OK, no war before 1939" or something like that. it's a simple rule to remember

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 1:48 PM

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But this will require people to install, which some will argue is a hassle

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 1:49 PM

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it is much more difficult to tell someone "OK, you have to mentally adjust the world tension by +3% until the spanish civil war ends, then mentaly adjust it -10% after

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and clicking a box in steam is much easier than doing that all game 😛

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 1:50 PM

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No offense but I personally dislike mods that changes the meta

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Fair house rules goes a long way for a fun game

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 1:52 PM

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house rules change the meta too

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and they are limited in what they can do

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you can't fix the issues with WT as elegently as I have with house rules

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or, if you can, i haven't figured it out 😛

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if you can, let me know!

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what house rules do you use? do you have a link?

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 1:59 PM

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Haven't begun hosting games yet, but will once my pc get a much needed upgrade. However I got enough past experience to start writing something out while I wait for my parts.

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 1:59 PM

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how would you deal with the world tension problem?

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:01 PM

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The major problems are minors, PRC and Japan.

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:01 PM

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oh?

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what about the fact that USSR can spike WT immediately from the start of the game?

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:02 PM

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The standard rule is no war without focus

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:02 PM

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ah, but minor's don't have a focus

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that also limits players pretty severely

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what if Germany wanted to attack sweeden or switzerland?

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are they guaranteed neutral?

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:03 PM

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(Big reason why speed 4 is important)

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Minors shouldn't be allowed to justify until 39' or more than 25 WT

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Your mod prevent people from declaring on neutral countries?

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:06 PM

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my tension solution is fairly elaborate

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what I did was massively increase the time and cost of non-claim non-core justification

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so if USSR wants to justify wargoal on Iraq it will take a year and cost 180+ political power

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but if china wants to justify on japan (which has chinese cores) it will be much cheaper and much faster

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this does 2 things

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it makes wargoals much more valuable (because it's no longer faster to justify a conquest wargoal)

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and 2) it makes it harder for other countries to spike WT and keeps the fascists nations in the driver's seat

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part 2 is putting world tension limits on the comunist countries, specifically for justifying wargoal

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this means that at game stgart, only fascist countries can justify wargoals

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at 25% WT, USSR and communists can start justifying

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this allows the fascists to play a slow game without the USSR forcing them to play super fast to get in under 25% WT

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i've also added in a hidden event that severely reduces the WT spike from the spanish Civil War

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since that always forced the fasicsts nations to attack very early and fast to get in before that happens

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now the SCW only adds roughly 2-4% WT when it ends

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instead of 12-17%

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because 1) it makes no sense that the END of a CIVIL war would cause such a massive spike in WT

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and 2) this, in the vanilla game, makes the only viable Axis strategy to attack immediately before the allies get strong

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j8fUghFODqu6T5dObULoFrtYNG0nqmOHjfH8zGPWAvA/edit?usp=drive_web

Google Docs

Perfect Storm World Tension Changes Explanation

Perfect Storm World Tension Changes Explanation Problem The World Tension system in vanilla HOI4 appears at odds with itself. Here are the facts: The Allies are prevented from mobilizing while world tension is low, and have no way to raise the world tension. The USSR has no such restrictions. ...

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i outline my view of the problem and my mod's solutions to it here

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the other thing that you will never fix with house rules is the problem of the Generica National Focus Tree

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every minor always wants to go Fascists becaue the Fascist branch of the political tree is WAY better than the otehr 3 branches

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7% recruitable population is insanely good, and the other trees dont' even come close

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so I spent the weekend balancing them

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reduced 7% to 6% for fascists, gave 4% plus other bonuses to the communists, and 3% plus other bonuses to the democrats/non-aligned

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:24 PM

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But if nothing but the SCW happens, it's gonna go down again by itself. The allies stay stuck in civil economy. The axis still want the 15% that gives them war economy.

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:25 PM

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well i lowere that to 10% for fascists and 15% for communists

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but

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yes

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it does go down if fascists do nothing

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the usual fascist goal is to keep it under 5% until the Japanese attack china

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at that point you're jumping up to 10% no question

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:26 PM

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In most games Japan don't go for China though

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:26 PM

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no?

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:26 PM

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Netherlands is far more worth it

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Or even Singapore

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:26 PM

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what do you do in 4 years when a strong china comes knocking on your door?

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china gets much much stronger over the course of the game

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if Japan doesn't attack them by the end of 38 they'll never take it, and lose all their mainland territory

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(my mod assumes a player china btw)

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:28 PM

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PRC has the big disadvantage if China wants to join the Axis

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:28 PM

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ah, well my ruleset typically stipulats that china doesn't get to join any faction except chinese united front

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to keep things balanced

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there are some things that I do need to house rule 😛

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:29 PM

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Haha yeah

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:29 PM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1APgUZre2WW2S1rDpLJf_k6rHjlaTTjai31cr64K_q1A/edit

Google Docs

AGMP Majors Only Rules [HOI4]

Weekly Time: Saturday @ 7pm-10pm ET Mods Used: (Checksum: 2116) No Man’s Land Perfect Storm Balance Mod Also: Any mods that do not change checksum are allowed (graphics/sound/Interface mods). Teams (12-16 Players): Signups Here Axis Nation Signal4 Germany Bridger Arlekj Japan ...

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:29 PM

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Do you have rules on Heavy SPA?

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:29 PM

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that represents the last draft of my house rules to go along with PS

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no, I didn't realise it was a problem?

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i know 1.2 increased the cost of SPA significantly

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did that not fix it?

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:29 PM

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Haven't played that much of 1.2, so yet to see

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:30 PM

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I need to go over those rules again, as when we played with them we had a few issues

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:31 PM

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Hmm like?

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:31 PM

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and some are probably not neccessary

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i don't think the elimination rule is needed

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:31 PM

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"US is eliminated if Honolulu is held by the Axis for 3 months in a row." What does this mean?

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:32 PM

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originally it meant the US player would need to leave the game

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but i don't think it's neccessary

obtuse condor Sep 19, 2016, 2:32 PM

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Oh lawl

outer mulch Sep 19, 2016, 2:32 PM

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intitially my gut told me that a smart US player would just put 100% of his production to crushing the european axis

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because Japan isn't really a threat to him, and it's much more effective to combine all the allied power with that of the soviet and hit euro axis while japan flounders without helping the germans much

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but, as I said, I don't think it works out that way