ill have to try that. game seems to run well untell alot of mobs start loading. i dont seem to have much fps drop more graphics down scaling them selvs
#linux-🐧
cursive shell
cursive shell
i have gamemode installed im confused as to why lutris wont let me turn this on in settings
mild urchin
put gamemoderun in the command prefix
unborn epoch
I'm having trouble starting the POE, open it then close it without error, can someone help me? my computer: ADM Athlon 2 x2 250 processor, 8 GB RAM, NVIDIA Gecorfe GT 240
wicked arch
Does that thing even support dx11?
lethal shadow
unborn epoch
Yes, a friend plays with i3 notebook
iron charm
the GT240 is more likely to be the problem. That was an entry-level graphics card 11 years ago
edgy sierra
I mean so was the athlon 2 X2 250. It was very very low spec at the time, might not even support neccessary instruction sets
Elto the game probably is not going to run on that computer, even if you get it to start.
Let alone on Linux.
unborn epoch
😭 😭 😭 🥺
quasi lily
I've been playing poe vulkan on linux from beginning of league, everything is ok to good. Yesterday I bootup to window doing some stuff then try poe again on it. Saidly vulkan window still beat vulkan linux because the fps is so stable comparing linux when there're big skills on the screen 😦
tiny atlas
that's pretty much the only reason why i'm not switching fully to linux 😕
performance on arch is booty for me 😦
analog orchid
Vulkan worked amazingly for me when I started this league, then I upgraded Ubuntu and it didn't work quite as well, then four days ago it started crashing instantly every time, while loading the first town after login. DX11 pretty much not usable. ¯\_(ಥ_ಥ)_/¯
odd bloom
I dunno, but vulkan worked pretty great before league start. Now it's just way too much stuttering. I'm pretty convinced one of the patches botched performance. Dxvk with async patch seems to be way to go this league for me.
stiff pumice
hola, has anyone tried running poe on devuan?
wide cipher
hello, any experience on running poe on steam proton ?
green dock
i'm running in steam proton and so far it runs really well with vulkan. only when the screen was full to the brim with super dense mobs did it start stuttering pretty bad
wide cipher
nice 👌
wide cipher
is pob doable on linux or do you people use online editors ?
@hardy blade tested a little and looks like that 👌
frank condor
you can just run pob through wine so sure. there is also this what is native frontend for it, what sort of works https://github.com/philroberts/pobfrontend
mild urchin
pob in wine works flawlessly as far as i can tell
rapid hemlock
is pob doable on linux or do you people use online editors ?
@wide cipher if you're using arch linux or some variant of it, there's an AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/path-of-building-community-git/ but otherwise pob works in wine
wide cipher
Oh, nice
edgy sierra
Personally I found PoB under wine to be more stable and less finicky, but your mileage may vary.
meager depot
Any differences in performance between windows and linux?
wide cipher
i haven't noticed much on a ryzen 5 3600 and nvidia geforce 1070ti 🤷♀️ @meager depot
wide cipher
that's AUR for you 😄
rapid hemlock
@meager depot there is a noticeable difference for me (I'm running a 4th gen i5 and a GTX 1050 Ti), with framerates consistently lower and freezes more common in linux. Vulkan does help a lot with the freezes - I used to have my game run on a slideshow for >10s when activating a Legion pylon on DX11, but now I get like a tiny freeze of maybe 1s and then no slideshow, just normal gameplay
cursive shell
why the do i keep crashing. never had this problom before.
im using launch options RADV_PERFTEST=aco with proton-5.9-GE-2-MF iv tried vulkan. i keep getting an error every time i switch to it
livid oracle
Anyone can help me this? 😦
iron charm
that doesn't look like linux
wide cipher
anyone know what this is for ? doesn't seem to do anything and have to either skip or close 😕
oh it actually finished
rapid hemlock
@wide cipher how long did it take to complete for you? Mine's running for at least 15 minutes now and it's still running
wide cipher
I was making food at the time so not sure 😅 but something like that
cursive shell
finally got vulkan to work. iv noticed with that this will either need to be skipped or just let vulkan shaders process. when launching the game.
quasi lily
wait, how you guys have the vulkan shader process? I enable it on steam, other games got processed too, but not poe. What your driver/gpu etc?
cursive shell
im running an RX 590 using mesa aco drivers
quasi lily
hmm, I use rx580 also, mesa 20.1.99. Not sure if ingame config relate
cursive shell
i got vulkan to run using proton 5.09 no custom i couldnt get it running otherwise
rapid hemlock
I use nvidia GTX 1050 Ti with the proprietary drivers
cursive shell
anyone getting really bad fps drops with vulkan sence the patch today
quasi lily
not yet played, but have u tried clean up the cache folder?
cursive shell
tbh have no idea how to do that.
quasi lily
I normally delete 3 folder: ```file:///home/username/Games/path-of-exile/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile/ShaderCacheVulkan
file:///home/username/Games/path-of-exile/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile/ShaderCacheD3D11
file:///home/username/Games/path-of-exile/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile/CachedHLSLShaders
how does everyone eles game running on end game maps. T8 seems terrable. perhaps thiers away to smooth this out. i did drop settings to low.
cursive shell
i wonder if AMDVLK would work better with vulkan sounds like forms say vulkan doesnt work well with mesa right now. maybe im wrong
cursive shell
ill test it out and see how it does.
mild urchin
kinda chuggy depending on the build i'm playing, running high reds but without any juice
analog orchid
Anyone else get crashes when they leave town / hideout?
This started a week and a half ago, worked again yesterday, now crashes again
cursive shell
what proton are you running
cursive shell
do you have vulkan on in game?
cursive shell
amd?
analog orchid
Nope
cursive shell
tbh i wouldnt know how to help with that. im running amd
analog orchid
No worries, just curious if I'm the only one
I got my character to 89 this league and then haven't been able to play ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cursive shell
i have crashed just not in town. more so in combate.
analog orchid
Never in town
When I leave town
Map or normal monster-filled area in acts
Huh...toggling to DX and back fixed it for now...
Or
Was it the resolution change?
sly river
is there changes when i log in with linux client or it the same with steam ?
analog orchid
What is "the linux client"?
OK so apparently I can use 2560x1440 in town, and I was able to use the same resolution out of town, but now I need to drop it out of town...
It is so annoyingly slow to experiment with this
Does "Linux client" mean Proton?
mild urchin
mods refuse to change it
quasi lily
to show hope!
frank condor
well then correct name would be wine client and not proton client :p
mild urchin
why not just call it 'poe-on-unix'
strange whale
Path of Linux?
mortal stream
so there is no linux standalone client still, only lutris and wine..
can anyone compare these two?
frank condor
lutris is using wine to run poe
so its same thing. lutris just has some predefined configuration for games, so its basically just installer/launcher and thats it
mild urchin
i use lutris launcher and steams compat wine prefix
acoustic mirage
🐧
primal schooner
brisk copper
random cloud
❓
cursive shell
tux
weary nest
sorry, this channel name is the best I could get for you
stiff pumice
linux 👌 🐒
mild urchin
gamer penguin
dusky void
🐧
lost solstice
🐧
viral copper
🐧
south hare
so im new to linux (manjaro atm) and i would like to instal poe on steam i have steam right here but cant downloading it but i can download terraria
south hare
got it just needed some extras
shadow path
mild urchin
typical linux experience tbh
cursive shell
you need to change steam settings to allow installing of non linux native games
also i would check out chris titus web page. and follow all those steps to get you system ready for gaming.
do you have lutris installed?
rapid hemlock
@south hare you might have to enable Steam Play in Steam settings, I had to do that in order for Steam to allow me to install POE
south hare
@rapid hemlock i already did thats
Its launching Poe but dont Show it Like a Window
And yeah i have lutris
I got the appid and all and trying to start ist from lutris but its Look Like its Not working
late cobalt
which libraries are needer to run pob on linux? it says it tries to require xml, but installing xml from luarocks still doesn't work...
green dock
what does it say? i don't see anything about xml in its depdendencies, and what distro are you on
south hare
Hello, friend of Obama here.
So..
I'm at the point were I tested out nearly any solution possible.
Activated Proton, re-installed Lutris, Steam, PoE, Wine and add-ons.
south hare
so i looked for an error file in poe and redownloaded it bc it found one and its starting but doesnt run it
but terraria works lul
south hare
can someone help via anydesk?
cursive shell
you shouldnt need to change appid if you downloading from steam.
did you force the use of proton under games properties
if so what proton are you using. steam proton or custom
mild urchin
does the launcher work?
mossy mauve
wide cipher
It's also on aur :D
stiff pumice
running poe through wine steam and everytime i see oshabi its just flickering a blackbox?
cursive shell
are you using lutris
patent quarry
You can always just grab proton-ge, no steam necessary.
stiff pumice
I'll try that
stiff pumice
nvm couldnt be bothered finally booted back onto windows through a usb
thank u for the help tho
jolly flume
Hello! Are people still using Proton GE 4.2.1 or is there a newer version? I'm finding reports of people using Proton-5.9-GE-5-ST, 5.9-GE-4-ST, 5.11-GE-3-MF, but who knows which one's best? I remember 4.2.1 was aimed at PoE users, but perhaps that was during DX11 days? I'm using PoE's Vulkan beta now. Haven't played for a couple months.
full olive
vulkan performance is poor on my nvidia card, I stuck with directx
rapid hemlock
vulkan helps a lot for me in reducing the stutters/freezes compared to directx, but it tends to crash in juiced maps (not even 100% delirious T19 kind of juice, more like chisel, alch, vaal, sextant, infused zana mod, conq influence, master mission)
formal plinth
is anyone on arch using the latest Nvidia drivers having much worse performance with vulkan than before latest updates?
shaders precompiling insanely longer and when in game not even working all to well - loading late or not at all
jolly flume
Hmmmm.... what's PoE's efficiency like using Lutris instead of Steam?
And, was I imagining things or do I remember someone mentioning that there's a way to run Proton on its own without Steam? That seems illogical and sounds more like they were figuratively speaking about Wine or Lutris....
anyone know what this is for ? doesn't seem to do anything and have to either skip or close 😕
@wide cipher I've been getting a similar screen, though instead of "Processing Vulkan shaders..." it says#SteamUI_JoinDialog_ProcessingShaderCacheand sits there, not progressing at all.
The other thing I've noticed is that when I switch from DX11 to Vulkan and restart the game, Steam comes up with "Validating..." and downloads a couple "updates" without saying what they are.
So yes, things are amiss.
wide cipher
I've lately started getting vulkan validations on multiple games(background stuff) + validation and updates on poe 🤔
green dock
Is it normal for certain abilities to make the game lag? I noticed bone armour and arcane cloak are both really similar visually and they both somehow lag the game even though it looks like a super simple spell effect
halcyon moat
with lag you mean fps drops?
right after when you use these skills or overall lower fps while they are active?
green dock
right when i use them the game stutters
if it's a really dense map it's almost like it freezes briefly
halcyon moat
I have no idea what can be causing this
green dock
in the hideout it just drops 20 fps
halcyon moat
it may be an engine bug
using proton-ge?
or may be a wine bug as well
try using proton-ge if you are using vanilla wine or lutris
if you are using proton-ge try switching between DX and vulkan
green dock
i'll try switching to proton-ge, it is using vulkan
halcyon moat
proton also have dxvk as well, you may get better performance with dx while using it
or maybe native vulkan in the game is better
you should experiment a bit yourself
halcyon moat
what do you mean with slideshow
green dock
just overall super laggy
halcyon moat
proton-ge performs it much better
green dock
i'll look up how to use it later, for now i just wanna play though lol
halcyon moat
hope after getting game's vulkan renderer stable they will release Linux and mobile versions
if you have steam just drag and drop it
I can tell you how to do without downloading entire game again
green dock
how?
green dock
yeah, i'm reading the install guide for proton-ge now
ok it appears in the list of versions now, but i'm worried it'll want to re download the game since that happened once before for another game
can i just move the game files to the new wineprefix?
halcyon moat
start downloading Poe from steam then pause it
oor
do you want to use steam for patching or regular launcher
you can use whatever you want
tell me which one you want to use and I will guide you for it
green dock
steam
halcyon moat
then start downloading Poe and pause it
halcyon moat
do you know how to browse steamapps folder in the linux?
green dock
ya i just get its id from the game web page right?
halcyon moat
what ids
ah no need
238960
iirc it was like steamapps/common/238960
if 238960 is not there then create it yourself and copy ggpk inside
green dock
it's doing something, i'll come back when it's done
green dock
@halcyon moat after completely filling up all RAM and swap and basically freezing the PC for an hour, it started the game
now it's using proton-ge
thanks for your help
lol it went from 140 to 190 fps in the hideout but still stutters with bone armour
dx is working now though and doesn't stutter with it, so i'll use that.
halcyon moat
@green dock Poe is greatly consuming memory
requires around 16gb of total memory ram+swap for proper gameplay without crashes
about bone armour maybe it's an engine bug try opening a thread in the forums
green dock
nah i mean the processingshadercache thing is what froze it
halcyon moat
ah
it's maybe steam's new test feature or sth.
never seen it before
btw don't forget to check proton-ge's github once a week or once every two weeks for updates
it's developer really knows what to do and releases good updates
if you have a SSD try using swap on the ssd
will help you greatly reduced stutters being caused by memory bottlenecks
once upon a time I was using an USB stick for swap lol :P
it was preventing the game from crashing because of running out of memory but was really causing stutters when instances load for the first time
green dock
with a bunch of extra stuff open it's using like 10 out of 16GB
jolly flume
@green dock That's the problem I've been having as well. Searched the web and could find only a single reference, and it isn't relevant, so I'm guessing this might be a new bug.
Does anyone know what Lutris / PoE does to Pulseaudio when it launches? I'm using JACK, and when I launch the game, it replaces my existing Pulseaudio input and output bridges with its own. After I exit the game, those new bridges stay in place, and I don't know where to go to undo the changes.
formal plinth
Okay something is seriously not right the last few days. There was a ~4GB "Pre-caching content" update after which steam was"Processing vulkan shaders" for over 3 hours.
Then there was a 50MB update of the same type, after which the processing took 3+ hours as well...
quasi lily
I love to try the precaching stuff, unfortunately my region dont allow poe on steam. Not sure if it does big thing compare to native poe launcher using lutris
patent quarry
dx gets fps stuttering because of shaders, the go to circumvention was async. I noticed the vulkan video setting doesn't require the async flag for smooth gameplay.
formal plinth
well, i just disabled shader pre-caching altogether and downgraded nvidia drivers - much better experience without fossilize keeping my cpu at 100% all the time
green dock
anyone else have problems tabbing out?
patent quarry
just use windowed mode
strange whale
Windowed full screen is good for tabbing
wide cipher
why did this randomly activate ?
i don't think i did anything but currently computer is unusable with memory and cpu on full usage by fossilize
uncut totem
Question about general computer parts; I figured in the *nix channel you guys would have more of an idea about hardware than most lol
uncut totem
most people on *nix tend to be able to build their own computer fairly well, at least it used to be due to comparability issues lol
vocal ruin
Just ask you dingus
earnest spade
Well about 3 years ago I created https://gist.github.com/deguix/6bdfba232a3a19714d261e311da4ec55, a simple filter updater that simply just downloads several different filters and stick them all into the path of exile folder. Unfortunately I haven't been playing it lately, and filters get created or not updated ever again. So if someone were to create an updated list, I'll update it. Well, technically I created this for Linux, but it also works on Windows if anyone is Linux savvy. Also I had no reason to really update it because I only keep using NeverSink -.-. Hmm seems like there are like 8 still being updated cool, and 1 of them became private probably.
wooden forge
Shader pre caching can be disabled in settings
sharp coral
Well about 3 years ago I created https://gist.github.com/deguix/6bdfba232a3a19714d261e311da4ec55, a simple filter updater that simply just downloads several different filters and stick them all into the path of exile folder. Unfortunately I haven't been playing it lately, and filters get created or not updated ever again. So if someone were to create an updated list, I'll update it. Well, technically I created this for Linux, but it also works on Windows if anyone is Linux savvy. Also I had no reason to really update it because I only keep using NeverSink -.-. Hmm seems like there are like 8 still being updated cool, and 1 of them became private probably.
@earnest spade Davis, is that you?
quasi lily
mac client gonna shipped around September, lets keep our hope on linux!!
earnest spade
no, I'm not called Davis sry.
wicked arch
are there tools to run mac applications on linux?
frank condor
based on quick google this https://www.darlinghq.org/
hmm now that you mention it i wonder if the mac client would perform better than windows one
green dock
how often should steam be processing vulkan shaders? I let it run last night and it took like an hour and a half, now it already wants to do it again
green dock
think i found a really bizarre solution
when i go in the menu to Steam -> Settings -> Shader Pre-Caching it instantly jumps to 100% and launches the game... otherwise it just hangs for 2 hours and fills up 35GB of ram and 100% cpu usage the entire time
frank condor
wow the geforce now web runner is actually finally working flawlessly on linux
viral jay
how's the poe experience on geforce now? I tried it a few months ago but it was not as smooth as I hoped it would be
frank condor
on good connection its pretty smooth. def a lot better than playing on my actual PC what isnt made for gaming at all
delirium maps are shitshow tho but what can i do, but in rest of the game i have basically no lag, and i dont really feel the double input delay too. only super annoying thing is that trade helpers do not work at all with geforce now because there is no clipboard support
and i need macros just to paste stuff to geforce now when copying from elsewhere (what is alright, solves one half of the issue), but copying stuff from the game is impossible atm
# type clipboard
super + ctrl + v
sleep .5 && xdotool getactivewindow windowactivate --sync type --clearmodifiers --delay 50 "$(xclip -o -selection clipboard)"
this is what i use on linux for example to paste stuff
viral jay
oh interesting thanks for the heads up
Yeah no clipboard was a bit of a bummer for me aswell but i expected it, my main issue was that there seemed to be a bitrate threshold which can blurry the action from time to time (probably what you encountered on delirium maps)
Nothing game breaking though, hopefully they continue to improve the service
lofty bison
Damn, is this thing downloading the game once a day now? Steam is constantely verifying and downloading. What for?
And this "Processing Vulkan Shaders" (fossilize_replay) runs for hours doing nothing but FUTEX_WAIT and FUTEX_WAKE
lofty bison
Another day, another 10GB download. What is happening here?
manic blade
if you're fine with it stuttering while loading new stuff you haven't encountered before just run the standalone launcher with DXVK
maybe you can even get fossilize to work with that
lofty bison
I come from console and went to PC for not having any stuttering ever again 😄 But okay, running it without is like watching the game loading graphics while running around in the world. Not that perfect because enemies are just floating Weapons but after 5 minutes everything is acceptable.
manic blade
well I guess you get the smoothest experience on windows
cinder patio
Oooh I didn't know there was a Linux channel!
So I've been searching for performance comparison between Pop OS and Windows -- any references out there exist?
wicked arch
you can judge by stuff that people write here
peak gorge
@cinder patio TLDR - About 14% improvement on PopOS versus Windows however that could be greater with newer kernel,firmware,drivers than it was in July 2019 (last article) https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/17/these-windows-10-vs-pop-os-benchmarks-reveal-a-surprising-truth-about-linux-gaming-performance/#75ba70c55e74 - However I am not sure how support for AMD has improved...if you are running Intel you are prob OK
cinder patio
However I am not sure how support for AMD has improved...if you are running Intel you are prob OK
@peak gorge Are you sure you didn't get that other way around? Or maybe I'm thinking of AMD and Nvidia for GPU
frank condor
from that article that number is only relevant for 2 random games with native implementation. you are obviously not going to get better performance by running something in compatibility layer on linux (so for example poe)
peak gorge
@peak gorge Are you sure you didn't get that other way around? Or maybe I'm thinking of AMD and Nvidia for GPU
Possibly - For CPU - there are several that had very limited support before I think 4.13 (APUs mainly).
@frank condor I was under the assumption that you could run PoE without having to rely on Wine/Play on Linux. That is what I get for assuming ;O
frank condor
i wish, but nope :d
peak gorge
I guess we will hold out hope for a full switch to Vulkan where we can get a native client for Linux
willow jay
playing through steam + proton, its pretty ok for me
i.e. you dont have to do anything with wine stuff by yourself, just click "launch game with this compatability tool", and its working
so, "native" linux client is not that must have, i think?
wide cipher
Native is mainly for increased performance in this case
nimble raven
So, I'm dual booting Linux and Win10 on my laptop but using primarily the Linux. Is there a reason to install PoE on Win10?
I.e. performance differences, stability or is it the same on both OSs
rapid hemlock
@nimble raven performance is highly dependent on your setup...in general i find linux to have poorer performance, but it's good enough for me when using Vulkan, so I don't bother with booting into Windows just to play POE. On my setup I can't juice my maps too much, since there are just too many freezes here and there. For example, for me, sextants and scarabs and master missions on T16s are still ok for me, but I can't run T16 100% delirious maps (I could, but I would die a few times due to my game freezing up).
nimble raven
think I will just install it on Windows for now since the laptop has just a iGPU and I want to get every last bit of performance I can get
manic blade
in my case the game runs fine on linux (using DXVK and the DX11 version, could probably get more out of it with fossilize but steam refuses to work) but lags out whenever I run into new content
quasi lily
Meanwhile I'm running 480p 15fps using dxvk async on my shitty (i7) u630 laptop at work for... leveling practice purpose.
Lets hope the new technical update make our life easier 
fresh verge
I ran the Standalone client in Manjaro under Wine launched from Lutris. The game stuttered a tad with lots of action on screen but it ran good.
Also, in Fullscreen Windows, Alt-Tab to go to a browser for Trade, kills the keyboard. You can still alt-tab but no other key input is received
analog orchid
Anyone else unable to load the game after the latest patch?
I saw the extent of the changes and knew this was going to happen
I get a black screen like it's about to load, then it disappears, then it shows up and disappears again, and then the process dies
lethal shadow
There's a couple of client crashes on start that we're looking into, might not be directly related to running via Linux, though. If you PM me your account name I can take a look. 👍
edgy sierra
Working for me at the moment with TKGlitch wine with this config https://pastebin.com/SbSDCpwx . I don't have the versions on hand to check but stable/non-custom versions of proton seem to be a common denominator. Valve's proton builds are still based on wine 5.0 not wine staging (now 5.16) and there are lots of impactful changes.
covert peak
also, I don't know if it's because of patch or this proton version, but game runs somewhat smoother
lethal shadow
We're able to reproduce the crash when using Proton in the office.
Working on a fix!
dire eagle
Hello! Someone, please throw your launch options, which you have by default. I accidentally deleted them and cannot start the game now. linux steam proton ubuntu
covert peak
PROTON_NO_GLSL=1 RADV_PERFTEST=aco PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 DXVK_ASYNC=1 %command% --waitforpreload --noasync --nodx9ex --gc2 --nologo
dire eagle
Thanks! But I most likely miss two parameters that were by default ... Without them, the game stopped starting.
After that "% command%" had two parameters...
These were the default parameters.
covert peak
you sure that game stopped to work because of those parameters and not because of patch?
@dire eagle
dire eagle
Yes, because I didn't do anything else. Although I cannot say 100%. My game with vulcan shaders crashed. I switched to DX. Yesterday I started the game with DX, and for testing I turned on the volcano shaders right in the location. I got errors and had to kill the game process. Today I started launching with new parameters to fix latency in DX, but the game stopped launching. Maybe this is due to yesterday's failure. Somehow I'll try to restore the game or I'll have to reinstall ...
I started a file check, maybe it will help.
covert peak
just to be sure, can you try that proton version I posted? place it in ~/.steam/root/compatibilitytools.d/
dire eagle
I launched the game with proton 5.07. DX is still buggy. Vulkan shaders crashes game at the start of the location.
i will try to add "DXVK_STATE_CACHE=0" now for DX mode
For other games, will I now have to switch between proton versions?
covert peak
you can set specyfic proton version for specyfic game without changing your global settings
gaunt owl
Hey I'm currently running an Nvidia card on a Manjaro OS. I have read that the standalone client (as opposed to Steam) with VSYNC disabled and Vulkan used is the optimum way of avoiding stuttering and having smooth, consistent gameplay. I shall deal with startup arguments and custom wineprefixes later. But am I correct in assuming this?
covert peak
In assuming what? That you will have smoother gameplay, or that ypu will have to deal with arguments? @gaunt owl
and what is optimum way of using vulkan you're talking about? with ACO? DXVK? Vulkan beta option in client?
dire eagle
Apparently not this time ... DX lags.
Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
Kernel:
5.4.0-45-generic
RAM:
16 GB
GPU Driver:
NVIDIA 450.66
GPU:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
CPU:
Intel Core i5-3570 @ 3.40GHz
@dire eagle I run with parameters I specified with that version of proton and with vulkan (beta) and it's smooth, I kinda lost what you're doing wrong.
oh, you have nvidia, then remove ACO from parameters I posted
dire eagle
ACO?
covert peak
RADV_PERFTEST=aco
delete this as you don't use RADV
ok, confirmed, client sometimes crashes when changing location
dire eagle
vulkan crashes stable. dx lags.
wooden forge
You could try AMDVLK but I don't know about GSYNC or Freesync with that. AMDVLK is on Github and last time it had a DEB build.
Then you need to add the ICD to run options
VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/amd_icd64.json os VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/etc/vulkan/icd.d/amd_icd64.json but it may have changed, in that case ask in AskUbuntu if someone knows
IN Manjaro id do pacman -Ql amdvlk and it tells me wehre it is
amd_icd64.json is the file
You could also open the DEB package with an archive manager I think and browse it and see where it has the ICD file
Just cheked and Ubuntu package has it on /etc/vulkan/icd.d/amd_icd64.json
@dire eagle
dire eagle
ok, i will try, thanks
The AMD Open Source Driver for Vulkan® is an open-source Vulkan driver for Radeon™ graphics adapters on Linux
I have GPU Driver:
NVIDIA 450.66 GPU:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
wooden forge
Will try those launch options
dire eagle
dire eagle
Honestly, I didn't even do anything with the drivers. Apparently I need to install specifies drivers so that I can run applications that require vulkan shaders.
wooden forge
This rating is platinum: Runs perfectly. Had to install the 32-bit vulkan icd loader package to get it running though (game seems to use both 32 and 64 bit libraries). I recommend running with the options %command% --waitforpreload --gc 2 --nologo --noasync. In particular, the --waitforpreload helps to build a shader cache before the game and areas load. This helps reduce stuttering and low FPS.
NVIDIA 418.56
Wow a year ago though
dire eagle
I will it: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/386540/ubuntu-2004-cant-run-vulkan-programs/?topicPage=2
@dire eagle Did not help me! I'll try again tonight. I will completely reinstall the driver.
I can see cube 🙂 (vkcube)
wooden forge
tried this version with RADV and AMDVLK no luck: Proton-5.11-GE-1-MF Proton-5.11-GE-2-MF Proton-5.11-GE-3-MF Proton-5.9-GE-3-ST Proton-5.9-GE-4-ST Proton-5.9-GE-5-ST
Downloading stand alone with Lutris
covert peak
@wooden forge https://github.com/stevenlafl/Proton/releases/tag/proton-5.0-7-alyx
This one works, but game still crashes randomly when entering new location
wooden forge
I haven't used the standalone client for awhile because my IP changes a lot so it's a hassle.
brb
wooden forge
curious thing Steam hasn't compiling the pre shader cache
So this shuold be the launch optons for AMDVLK? VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/amd_icd64.json PROTON_NO_GLSL=1 PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 DXVK_ASYNC=1 %command% --waitforpreload --noasync --nodx9ex --gc2 --nologo
shadow pawn
Yeah, I can't play the game after the latest patch, either
I had it working perfectly before
I had it running using the vulkan renderer with Proton 5.6 GE
but now the window closes immediately after opening
two times in a row
trying to run it without GE hasn't helped, either
wooden forge
Y me too, downloading the styandalone version at 44% rn
wooden forge
It runs for me with this proton fork: https://github.com/stevenlafl/Proton/releases/tag/proton-5.0-7-alyx-2
pearl jacinth
hmm
for me the window never comes up
but it just keeps saying "running" on steam
relevant info
sinful flare
fwiw someone at GGG has said that they’re aware of the Linux issues and are working on it
wooden forge
I downloaded the Lutris standalone and mimiced PROTON_NO_GLSL=1 PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 DXVK_ASYNC=1 %command% --waitforpreload --noasync --nodx9ex --gc2 --nolog
No GLSL, No Esync, System variable DXVK_ASYNC and launch options
wair for preload makes it freeze a bit on start
noasync too
But it loads better
You may need to manually set the binary to run
dire eagle
Anyone tell me how to improve the performance of DirectX mode? I remember that there were some launch parameters that solved the problem of a sharp drop in FPS.
DXVK_STATE_CACHE=0 PROTON_NO_GLSL=1 PROTON_USE_D9VK=1 PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 DXVK_ASYNC=1 %command% --waitforpreload --noasync --nodx9ex --gc2 --nologo This almost solved the problem, but no.
wide quail
New gpu arrived today, so excited to play some path of exile now :(
But happy they hopefully work this out before league start if GGG said they're working on it
covert peak
standalone via lutris works ok.
eternal swift
Hello here.
am I alone or ?
i am running POE with proton-5.0-7-alyx-2.
Texture takes a bit to load..
But framerate is very jiterry, going from 65 to 0 when I cast somthing, or if a mosnter enter to the screen.
Any idea on how to improve that ? any launch option I can set up ?
thank you 🙂
quasi lily
anyone check the "It works better than Win10 and Win7 in Linux Currently." in thread? Runable yes, but I dont think it would be better than window since many times I benchmark it
@eternal swift you need to make sure if you're running on either: vulkan or dxvk with async patch. Thats the only work working nicely with poe now
wooden forge
Isn't DXVK a DirectX thing? So if I use AMDVLK, DXVK variables shouldn't do anything
covert peak
@wooden forge it's not about AMDVLK or RADV, but about Vulkan beta in client settings. If you don't use it, you still use DXVK with vulkan.
DXVK means DirectX over Vulkan
wooden forge
@covert peak I am using Vulkan rednerer whic means I'm not using DirectX which is what I'm asking, am I using DXVK if I use the Vulkan renderer since it is for running DX games with Vulkan
covert peak
no, you\re not and in that case, yeah, DXVK options are useless
eternal swift
what do you need to do to make sure it runs with vulkan ? ok dxvk ? is there a toggle somwhere ? switch or command I need to put in ?
analog orchid
There is a switch in the game's options. I'm not sure if it can be (better?) done elsewhere, through the configuration string maybe, but I think you should always be able to see, in options, which one you're currently using.
eternal swift
ok cool, found it, in graphics option, "renderer"
cool, it s very fluid, I get better graphics than before.. and betyter framerate 🙂
wooden forge
Also there's a file in My Document\My Games\Path of Exile called Production.ini bunch of text but I think you can find and option called Renderer_type
You set it to Vulkan
wooden forge
/home/$USER/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/238960/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/My Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/
eager pumice
hello all. this is a guide that at the time of writing does work under my system with manjaro KDE, AMD 5700xt.
first of all, install Lutris and Wine. make sure that you have done all suggested changes towards your drivers according to Lutris.
When wine is installed, download and install GE's Proton. (you need native Steam for that)
second, download the standalone from PoE homepage and install via wine. in my case ive installed the game into the non-system drive to also play via windows if necessary.
after install, let the launcher install the recent patch (3.11.2 at this time). when launching, the game should crash with createdefferedcontext.
navigate to Lutris and import PoE like any other game.
under game info, use Wine as Runner. release year is 2013 if you care.
under Game options select the x64.exe, eg. /SSD/GGG/PathOfExile_x64.exe. nail the prefix architecture to 64bit.
under runner options, select the GE's Proton, eg. Proton-5.9-GE-5-ST. dont change anything (all turned off)
under system options disable the lutris runtime
if it doesnt work for you feel free to ask, i wont be able to help with shitty nVidia GPU's tho.
quasi lily
Keep in mid that might Its only work with vulkan, by selecting proton runner, its still use system dxvk, so if you play direct 11, its still shitty until you install yourself a dxvk async patch
eager pumice
does dxvk not getting turned off when the game is running vulkan natively?
like, there is no reason to run PoE on dx11 on a linux system
further, when the vulkan support of PoE is out of beta, i am 99,5% confident that vulkan outperforms dx11 in this game under any OS and machine (except some low end crappy intel hd)
quasi lily
dxvk is turned off when running vulkan.
Some of the old card dont get vulkan support, so... its dxvk choice only.
Vulkan out perform dxvk in poe most of the case, but, to my exp, I crashed fews time running vulkan in maps where there're chill/fire grounds, but not with dxvk async. It mainly play vulkan because its more stable but still getting dxvk in my pocket, in case
eager pumice
are there launch options that you recommend for vulkan?
what does the async part mean?
frank condor
dxvk (as the name suggests) is literally just dx->vulkan translation so in the end same thing, but dxvk async is really good
makes the game not freeze constantly as it loads shaders asynchronously
eager pumice
which vulkan does already i guess
wide cipher
So for running through steam I'll need to wait for next patch to try again I guess? Which is fine for now :)
eager pumice
try GE proton if you run via steam @wide cipher
wide cipher
i tried ge proton yesterday but did same thing 🤔
but luckily it's currently inbetween time
covert peak
@wide cipher https://github.com/stevenlafl/Proton/releases/tag/proton-5.0-7-alyx-2
try this
wide cipher
i took up the link, thanks 🙂
covert peak
also, standalone via lutris works fine
eager pumice
someone mind doing a PSA on reddit?
pure shadow
standalone via lutris works very good
and optimus manager if you wanna manage the graphics cards. It works butter smooth that way
eager pumice
thats what i wrote above..
wooden forge
Anyone got trade overlay working? It seems we can't have transparency without compositing
Awakened or Overwolf
covert peak
dosn't work on kde with or wihout composition (or only for me, dunno)
wooden forge
I use KDE too
covert peak
devs of community fork are aware of it, should be fixed sometime in the future
for now the answer is: 2nd monitor and manual labor ;p
at least path of building works with lutris
wooden forge
Heck just make it a window not an overlay for the time being.
covert peak
yeah, that would be good too. from what I know community version uses some nasty hacks/workrounds for linux anyway.
covert peak
state of PoE and tools on linux are good rn anyway, I'm a turist (I play once a year for some time than go back to other games) and I remember how it used to be - tragic
wooden forge
I wonder if Mac port means Linux port is getting near
covert peak
won't hold my breath for it
I use linux exclusively for 12 years now and I'm glad enough for lutris and proton + dxvk and for games embracing vulkan. used to have to compromise or forget about playing some titles outright, not anymore, mostly
wooden forge
Yeah MS tactical moves aren't holding and last I heard Vulkan has all that DX12 has. Nvidia and MS are working with exclusive technologies though, all this just to keep people on Windows. Ridiculous
covert peak
the truth is: only MS can develop technology that will kill windows (if it will make windows bad enough to cross patience threshold), force of habit is that strong of a force to majority of the market
and for developers of commercial software - windows has better QoL tools
vicious circle - ppl don't want to develop for linux because there is little maker share, and there is little market share because there is no commercial software
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wooden forge
Market share is the PR argument for me, acutally I thiunk it's harder to develop for Linux. But Vulkan demonstrated that having more control over the technology rather than having a bunch of classes that do your job
willow jay
hello all you linux enthusiasts!
tried to launch PoE under steam with proton-5.0.9, not working at all
steam + proton-ge, not working at all
steam + proton-5.0-7-alyx-2, really unstable fps
what to do?
my GPU is GeForce GTX 1650 super, proprietary driver
im using Vulkan beta (ingame option)
haven't played for a while (like, 1-2 weeks?)
eager pumice
willow jay
@eager pumice I was looking for solutions without reinstalling and using steam with another compatability tool
but ok will try
eager pumice
just use GE Proton in Steam
willow jay
steam + proton-ge, not working at all
thats it
but nevermind its working without steam now (just wine + standalone client)
idk why
eager pumice
oh
i should read more carefully
if you’re wondering, the recent patch 3.11.2 that changes the filesystem broke it for me so i was looking for a solution. interestingly ive tested the standalone one right ahead and not steams one
fossil patrol
Any sign of the Mac OS client?
prime pagoda
no...
dire eagle
Guys, what are our chances to play in the new league? 🙂
verbal isle
Good(?)
quasi lily
anyone see its crashed more often after the lastest new update? (standalone version). I got crash like 3,4 times since leveling. specially no where problem like portal back to town, entering new zone. Never had that before in my lutris setup
stone sorrel
I also had more crashes this week (after the big patch) but not on Linux
so it might be the patch
quasi lily
hmm yeah, hope so
abstract sedge
hi guys. Nice to see a linux section 🙂 maybe one day we'll get a native version
by the way, what's the consensus on which one's better? wine+stand-alone vs proton on steam?
I guess on proton/steam you get that vulkan shader pre-caching thingie that might help with stuttering
on the other hand, you get dxvk async and the most recent wine version/custom tkg wine version if you go stand-alone
anyone done any testing?
especially with the new patch?
abstract sedge
really? even with steam's vulkan shader pre-caching thingie?
actually, the current performance on standalone wine is pretty damn good
not sure if it's due to the technical patch or what. but i only tried for an hour or so, and i couldnt obviously compare it to the steam proton one as it's currently borked
pure shadow
Yeah
steam proton version for some reason doesnt launch for me
But when it used to, it worked decently well but it heated my PC a lot
standalone has given me better performance so far
The only issue is that it takes a bit of lag when new textures load in
but once loaded its amazing
abstract sedge
yeah, i saw on reddit it's because of the new POE patch with current proton. the workaround is a custom proton version. But I already have the standalone setup with wine, so I'm wonderin if I should even bother with the steam version?
pure shadow
I wouldnt
Standalone patches are smaller anyways iirc and steam is just another layer of stuff
abstract sedge
@pure shadow yeah the shader stuttering initially should be mitigated by the steam vulkan shader thingie, in theory. i just don't know if it works that well. DXVK async setting reduces the stuttering already, and to me it seemed the performance is already really good. I don't think I'll bother with the steam version
pure shadow
Yeah. I used to get constant lag in steam. Maybe it's just cause I have a crappy gpu. standalone gives me a bit bigger spikes initially but smooths out fast
abstract sedge
yea that was my experience in the previous league. the stuttering at the beginning of maps was annoying though 😦
Anyways, it seems GGG did something good with the patch otherwise (apart from breaking proton compatibility) as it's very smooth for me now. Will be playing on Friday for sure 🙂
pure shadow
Mhm. I might still not play on the league start day cause due to my location I get 150+ latency at minimum for regular days so you can imagine league starts. So that's always fun ain't it? But yeah looks like it'll be a fun one
abstract sedge
😦 yeah it's always a pain at league start. for me it starts really late over here. i'll be tired and sleepy, so will probably just play a few hours.
pure shadow
whatcha playing?
lethal shadow
@fossil patrol not out yet, but we're working on it.
Is this now the MAC+Linux section? 😂
fossil patrol
@lethal shadow thanks for the update 🙏🏻. No MacOS channel. Linux is the closest I could see 🤙
@lethal shadow is there recommend system requirements for the MacOS client yet ?
lethal shadow
Not that I know of, we have a couple of different spec Macs in the office now.
I love the new one on my desk 😄
But official word on all that stuff will come with the news post, when it's released, I'd imagine.
fossil patrol
@lethal shadow thanks 🙏🏻
lethal shadow
np 🙂
livid marlin
does anyone know a workaround for the alex runtime always unchecking itself when you restart steam?
supposedly this bug https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/6043
but that been open and basically untouched for 9 months
worn parcel
such an wierd issue, almost seems like an privilege thing
are you running steam via flatpak by any chance ?
livid marlin
yes and no
I was originally, but trying to fix this I even removed the flatpak version and reinstalled via system package
same thing
so I went back to the flatpak
livid marlin
yea same thing with that one
could someone who has this working attach their .local/share/Steam/logs/compat_log.txt
one curious thing I see in mine is that it assigns it AppID 0
[2020-09-17 07:35:03] Registering tool Proton-5.9-GE-6-ST, AppID 0
[2020-09-17 07:35:03] Mapping AppID 0 to tool Proton-5.9-GE-6-ST with priority 75
[2020-09-17 07:35:03] Loaded manifest for tool Proton-5.9-GE-6-ST.```Just installed yesterday standalone poe on lutris, and changed kernel to zen so I have fsync available
Which seems to be least stuttery way currently to run poe on geforce&ryzen?
Oh damn
I just updated ge stable to 5 yesterday
Have to update it and test it out
edgy sierra
I've found fsync to be slower for poe, I'll get around 120 FPS in Lioneye's watch with esync, but top out around 90 with fsync.
This is with a Ryzen 1600/Rx570 8GB
abstract sedge
@wide cipher it's a dxvk patch and its setting, that apparently reduces stuttering. It was initially called the POE dxvk hack/patch, because it helped with this. I don't pretend to understand the process and the code, but it has something to do with the state cache and asynchronous loading of assets into it in DXVK. It's a patch that needs to be enabled when building DXVK - I usually do that when building TkG's packages for wine and DXVK. But there should be a ready compiled package with it included. Let me try and dig it up.
quasi lily
I got crash only lvl today 3 time in act2. Both dxvk async and vulkan, really worry about the league start...
wide cipher
@abstract sedge is there a guide for it ?
abstract sedge
https://github.com/Sporif/dxvk-async < - that's the patch, but you need it during compiling DXVK. THe ready patched and built DXVK is no longer maintained it seems. What Distro you on? If Arch-based, just get familiar with TkG's pkg builds - super easy and convenient.
wide cipher
yeah arch
abstract sedge
sweet
abstract sedge
DXVK is only when using DX11, you are correct.
there you just need to toggle the patch in the .cfg file, and off you makepkg
However, I personally use Vulkan in POE now. IT's much improved, and I seem to get more consistent performance with it. The only question mark for me was whether STeam's vulkan shader pre-cacher thingie was really good at reducing stuttering, and if I needed it instead of standalone+wine. But from my 1-2hours of 'testing', I'm super happy with performance at the moment.
wide cipher
yeah, i had problem with steam derping the precaching of poe
abstract sedge
Vulkan loads the GPU a lot more, makes it work harder, which is good for my 1070.
abstract sedge
I think it's a lost cause to use valve's fossilize outside of proton - i gave up at least, it was way too complicated for me with almost no instructions anywhere. i'm not even sure it's possible anymore
wide cipher
nah i meant inside proton in steam
abstract sedge
ahh
abstract sedge
i've heard that actually with some games. but this new poe technical patch was supposed to help i think, with everything about the file system etc. When did you try it last time?
wide cipher
before technical patch
after technical patch it just crashed on trying to start the game
abstract sedge
oh crap, that's not good
wide cipher
that's why i got the lutris install and trying to get it
i was mostly happy with how it ran in steam before technical patch
abstract sedge
oh wait, after the technical patch, steam proton fails to launch POE. it's a known issue.
There's a solution in this channel from Reddit
a custom Proton version
wide cipher
yeah i saw the old proton version thing
tried standalone and it started but felt it had alot more stuttering 🤷♀️
abstract sedge
@wide cipher what version, and with which commands/arguments did you try running standalone?
with Vulkan I assume?
edgy sierra
There's also a new glorious-eggroll release that's supposed to fix it release this morning, but I use standalone so I've not tried it.
abstract sedge
ah nice. better than using an older proton version i think.
wide cipher
yeah i downloaded the nw ge just, trying to remember where the steam folder was again for proton 😅
and i've tried wulkan and dx11
🥳
started with the new ge from steam
abstract sedge
Nice! I might do that as well later in the league if I get stuttering. Out of curiousity, how bad was the stuttering? what kind of fps you get? personally i was very impressed with 100+fps also on maps, and fairly stable frametimes looking with MangoHUD. But i'm a noob, so it wasn't like a juiced red map or anything, just fooled around in some low level map i think 😉
wide cipher
and compared to what i tried the standalone today morning, this is alot smoother ☺️
abstract sedge
hmmm ok
wide cipher
i'm not getting 100 fps 😒
abstract sedge
i play on default settings though, not much eyecandy.
wide cipher
but it's partially as i cap the fps to hopefully keep it more stable
yeah quite low settings for me also
not like i see much behind the explosions anyway 😹
seems to be around 90-110 for somewhat empty area
abstract sedge
it's a good idea to cap the frame rate.
anyhoo, it's difficult to pinpoint why it was stuttering so bad for you - could be so many things that are different from yours and mine setup (wine/vulkan/driver/kernel versions etc.) I'm just glad dude you got a smooth game 🙂 I might use proton-ge after a couple days too. but so far so good with standalone for me shrugs
wide cipher
yeah this is nice ☺️ , seems the new ge has backported some vulkan patches and updated dxvk
and yeah, like the perf monitor shows, uncapped the frame rate is all over the place 😹
green dock
If you look on protondb right now, a lot of the reviews from a week or less ago are saying the game won't launch anymore. After installing and using https://github.com/stevenlafl/Proton/releases/tag/proton-5.0-7-alyx-2 like the guys on protondb said, it runs now. Thanks protondb
green dock
no i'll try that later, didn't know it got updated
at first i was just trying to downgrade stuff since i haven't played since before the video driver and kernel update
wide cipher
yeah ge got an update today
eager pumice
PSA
Proton-5.9-GE-6-ST
@GloriousEggroll GloriousEggroll released this 12 hours ago
Path of Exile
https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom/releases
cedar turret
Stealth Henry O.o
iron charm
@lethal shadow Doesn't run out of the box -- when you copy the app dir from the disk image, it retains quarantine xattrs and fails to create Content.ggpk due to translocation
lethal shadow
Ah, yeah we are working on that. 🙂
green dock
i got the new ge and it does work 👍
worn parcel
Thank god we got a mac-os channel, I tought the minority would have to share
pure shadow
I mean why would you ever use a mac for anything except aesthetics 🤔 but oh well
edgy sierra
I use linux so I can spend a whole weekend compiling kernels with exotic schedulers and different patch sets just to go "Huh, well that was a waste of time."
lethal shadow
worn parcel
Ill take kernel comping over forced automatic updates anyday
edgy sierra
Honestly I consider the experience fairly analogous to rolling an off-meta league starter banking on skill and unique item changes. Like my Harvest league starter. "Huh, well that was a waste of time." Still can be fun to just spend a weekend dicking around.
eager pumice
i use linux because muh powwwwarrr
dire eagle
Explain, please, do I need to install the vulkan nvidia driver Linux 450.56.11? I have gtx 1060 3GB and 450.66. And before location start, game crash...
eager pumice
you definitely need vulkan drivers
abstract sedge
I use linux so I can spend a whole weekend compiling kernels with exotic schedulers and different patch sets just to go "Huh, well that was a waste of time."
@edgy sierra this is the most apt statement on the internet right now
eager pumice
isnt this just development?
worn thistle
did the game get a whole lot laggier with the new patch and proton ge 9.6 for anyone else?
proton 5.9.6 of course
dire eagle
you definitely need vulkan drivers
@eager pumice Did not help! 😦 I have installed the Linux 450.56.11 driver. I have the proton-5.0-7-alyx-2. With the following parameters: "DXVK_STATE_CACHE=0 PROTON_NO_GLSL=1 PROTON_USE_D9VK=1 PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 DXVK_ASYNC=1 %command% --waitforpreload --noasync --nodx9ex --gc2 --nologo"
I waited 4 hours for the shaders to install ... all in vain.
eager pumice
@dire eagle use GE proton
that might help. i couldn’t launch the game with normal proton.
dire eagle
ok, thanks, I will try. The server has already been turned off. I did not make it in time. I will try after launch. I hope everything will be ok 🙂 What launch options do you have?
@dire eagle use GE proton
@eager pumice
eager pumice
no launch options.. when the update progress is done immedialy save the content ggpk and install the standalone PoE via lutris
@dire eagle
i cannot guarantee that steam PoE works
edgy swallow
I mean why would you ever use a mac for anything except aesthetics 🤔 but oh well
Meanwhile if you look at the Linux Foundation, they're all using macs...
do you guys use any tools for trade/economy?
worn parcel
steam poe will work, just not with current proton.
get 5.0.7 and it'll be fine
or use a working GE
@dire eagle ^
lofty bison
o,O @worn parcel you mean only Proton 5.0-7 works. Or should Proton 5.0-9 work too? I try to start this but it PoE closes faster than it comes up. I need an error log of this ...
worn parcel
the newest proton that will work is 5.0-7
but i hear the newest GE proton works aswell, so its your pick
lofty bison
right now nothing works for me. damn 😄
pearl solar
the 5.0-7 fix worked for me now. or at least i'm in the queue now 😄 see you in an hour or so exiles 😄
pearl jacinth
newest GE is stalled on "preparing to launch"
okay, now it isn't stalled but just won't start
lofty bison
Same here. No matter if proton 5.0-9 or 5.0-7
worn parcel
make sure you actually use it aswell
lofty bison
What do you mean?
Like: When I tell steam to use it and restart then I very much hope it does
pearl jacinth
it's definitely using it
both forced and set as default
it says running for a sec then just. nothing
worn parcel
well, your quess is as good as mine then. newest GE works for me, as does 5.0-7
did you have it running before ? all dependencies installed etc?
lofty bison
good lord. sudo steam do what I just configured in some other panel ... I dunno but ... I got in the char creating screen. Forcing this while already set in general config. I love it 
pearl jacinth
I use proton-ge for warframe and it works fine
worn parcel
you downloaded the newest GE today ?
shadow pawn
I just downloaded the latest GE, and the game freezes shortly after starting
I can hear the first half second or so of the GGG logo, and then nothing
worn parcel
I would suggest trying out the old proton if you had it working before
theres a -7 link above somewhere
shadow pawn
Which really takes my performance
shadow pawn
Um... Maybe? I'm still pretty new to Linux
worn parcel
what distro you on?
shadow pawn
Pop!_OS
worn parcel
hmm
follow the ubuntu ones I quess
or you can grep your apt list --installed
to see if you have it installed
pearl jacinth
... wine: could not open working directory L"unix\\home\\zetaprime\\.local\\share\\Steam\\steamapps\\common\\Path of Exile\\", starting in the Windows directory.
any idea what this shit is
it just can't access the root fs for some fucking reason
pearl jacinth
can someone with it working paste the result of ls -al ~/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/238960/pfx/dosdevices/?
okay, hmm
got it to "first time setup" (?)
now it works
worn parcel
what was it?
pearl jacinth
needed to create the c: and z: symlinks because for some reason it didn't do that automatically
rough flint
Hey guys trying out vulkan. My gpu is a rx480. I experience quite some stuttering where the framerate dips to single digits. Is that a known thing/any remedies?
valid pawn
What if you wanted to play PoE but god said:
Processing Vulkan Shaders
valid pawn
It’ll be worth the wait.
Performance has been much better on Vulkan.
covert peak
if you're using dxvk it will be worth it for sure, but if not, it wont
eager pumice
general question here, did the game run flawless for you like mine? i could play 6,5h straight without visual bugs or crashes. i just had a bit of server rubberbanding
atomic flume
crashing loads during load screens
worn parcel
never crashes for me, just stuttrers a bit with new shaders
lofty bison
It's just a matter of time when it crashes to me. I guess when someone in the city has a specific animation then my game crashes always. Is there an error log anywhere?
abstract sedge
the performance is really good for me, same with loading, but I've crashed 2 times so far. not sure why. during loading a new area.
Also, in the beginning, i had slightly flickering textures. that seems to have gone away though since yesterday.
eager pumice
the more non faulty shaders you build up in your cache the better
im messing around with some windows games that don’t properly generate shaders for some reasons, like gothic 3 and i still have no clue why
wooden forge
Did steam version got fixed? I'm running with Lutris standalone
wooden forge
GLSL disabled, ACO, AMDVLK, DXVK_ASYNC=1, --nodx9ex --gc2 --nologo
The way you use AMDVLK is by intalling the packaged and change the ICD to amd-icd
You can try RADV too
brb
rough flint
--waitforpreload --nologo --nodx9ex --gc2 --VK_ICD_FILENAMES="/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/amd_icd64.json" my arguments
So no DXVK_ASync
AMD rtx480 as gpu, lutris-5.6.2 wine. GE doesnt work for me trying to fix that
Using Lutris
wooden forge
You can select the ICD in Lutris settings
System toptions, you need to click the show advanced options box
@rough flint
rough flint
I see thanks
edgy sierra
VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/amd_icd64.json is a system environment variable not a parameter for the game so it should be given before exe is ran if you need to set it. It also does not need -- before it. Just clearing that up for anyone not using lutris who might come across this in the channel. If are you using lutris, do what Zahori said.
rough flint
I just fixed the problem in a way I didnt anticipate at all
Setting fps cap to 100
Now its stutter free
neat rivet
Thanks you @rough flint, after reading your comment I found out disabling vsync got rid of some huge visuals glitches I was experiencing with vulkan for the last couple days
if anyone have things like that flashing on their screen, vsync was the culprit for me
wide cipher
anyone else got ctd on zone change semi regularly ?
green dock
yes
abstract sedge
happened now 3 times since Friday. one was during a heist, but the other 2 times seemed unrelated.
alpine wyvern
i have ctds on windows on vulkan too btw. it usually happens when zoning, sometimes i load in and have like 2 fps, othertimes i just straight crash to desktop. havent figured out whats causing it yet 😦
i dont think its a linux specific issue here is what im trying to say.
wide cipher
ah ok, thanks for informing 🙂
gaunt shuttle
I had been runing poe on linux natively through steam, and now I try and run it, it appears to open then instantly closes. Anyone else experiencing this? I run it not through steam on my windows comptuer
green dock
update to the new proton-ge if you haven't already @gaunt shuttle
gaunt shuttle
ya just saw that i downloaded the proton-5.0-7-alyx-2, and it started working. Is that the latest or is there a newer one?
wide cipher
Obrazi talked about ge @gaunt shuttle
echo tree
I'm using alyx
that works
However I'm unable to relaunch in vulkan using proton-alyx
sharp maple
@echo tree Check if the logs say something about it. Right click PoE in Steam -> Properties -> Local files tab -> Browse local files -> logs -> Client.txt
When I had issues with switching to vulkan, it said [CRIT Client 48] [VULKAN] Failed to match physical device, falling back to #0. The problem in my case was that the file that tells PoE which device to use isn't where it expects it, and the fallback device doesn't support vulkan. The fix (again, in my case - nvidia card, manjaro distro) was to add this to the launch options (right click PoE in Steam -> Properties -> General tab -> Set launch options): VK_ICD_FILENAMES="/etc/vulkan/icd.d/nvidia_icd.json". Please do double check if that's where your system keeps the .json file you need.
If that's not the issue and the logs give no further clues, you can also try to set it manually in the config file. Find the folder where you'd put item filters or find crash dumps and edit production_Config.ini. For me it's in /home/<username>/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/238960/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/My Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/. In the [DISPLAY] section change to (or add, if it's not there) renderer_type=Vulkan. Save and launch PoE. If it doesn't even get to the main menu, you can remove the renderer_type line, and it should launch normally with the default renderer. In this case, check the logs again.
unique rock
@cinder garden hi!
jolly flume
Hey, anyone else getting some major visual brightness glitches happening with Vulkan? Affects ambient environmental effects like rain, fire, leaves, etc as well as active effects from spells, etc.
finite veldt
Wanted to try switch to Ubuntu, fresh install and now stuck with it not able to connect to ethernet 😢
Why must there always be something when I want to give Linux a chance?
mild urchin
you can give linux a chance in a virtual machine
or a live cd
you might have to look up a specific driver for your system configuration
finite veldt
Ended up having to reinstall and that solved it for whatever reason
Now just waiting for poe to finish downloading
quasi lily
and scratching the head again 😉
wide cipher
These ctd's... 😣, anyone figured out any trick to reduce them?
abstract sedge
@wide cipher I've had 1 more since launch (total 4 or 5 i think) and it was outside of heist. The thing is, I hear a lot of CTDs are happening also on the windows version this league. So it's super hard to pinpoint an issue, nevermind a solution. Some of the 'solutions' are apparently turning off multi-threading and not using vulkan, turning off sound, making sure your CPU/GPU aren't overheating, updating your drivers etc etc ad nauseaum. Basically everything but the kitchen sink 🙂 I don't think any of that common sense stuff even affects the crashes to be honest, unless you're doing something wrong. I think it's an issue on their side, GGG.
abstract sedge
The problem is of course, Wine can be very finicky with games, and it could easily be its fault, but this time I think it's the game's fault.
Yeah, like you just noted, there are a lot of issues this league.
wide cipher
But yeah, I'm home in a cold tired and bored and ctd's are just top of the pile on that 😝 😅
abstract sedge
haha, sorry to hear that. it sounds like some smooth POE would be just what's needed for you right now 😉
wide cipher
Indeed, thanks for the answer tho 🙂
sharp maple
@jolly flume Try turning off vsync
abstract sedge
how are you guys? it's Friday btw 🙂
got my beer and snacks
time for some gaming
shadow pawn
Where are item filters saved? I found it once but I cannot for the life of me find it again
abstract sedge
for me its ~/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/
not sure if it's different with Proton...?
i doubt it
sharp maple
On steam(proton)/manjaro it's ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/238960/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/My Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/, because logic
fringe badge
Hey, I got a problem
So I installed the game on Linux, and after I start it
it starts something, then closes, then starts something else, then closes, it's only blackscreen
then it pops to launch the game again.
flint laurel
Did you install through steam or another way?
fringe badge
I tried through steam
I tried through Lutris as well, but then it installed another steam client I wasn't really able to get rid off? But that didn't get me anywhere either.
I tried looking on the internet for a bit but wasn't able to find something usefull. So I decided to come here for help
green dock
install and use this, should fix it https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom
@fringe badge
fringe badge
@green dock Would you mind helping me install that?
green dock
the instructions are pretty simple on that page, but if you have any problems i'd like to help if i can
fringe badge
Oh, okay, thanks.
normal abyss
Has anyone had trouble buying points? The overlay is non-interactable for me and if I move to a different workspace and back the game crashes. Shift+Tab does not close the overlay or anything
stone sorrel
try via the website maybe?
green dock
i got some last league and didn't have a problem, but haven't tried since
normal abyss
I can definitely do it online, but through the game would be best since I have a steam wallet balance
I'll look around for fixes for the overlay. Thanks!
stiff pumice
Hows POE doing on Linux these days? Thinking of going back to Linux, using pop os
I don't play on steam, so not sure how standalone does
normal abyss
It does really well if you use Vulkan instead of DX11. DX11, even after caching textures, would have a ton of stuttering. That's gone using the Vulkan option
flint laurel
I do still have some slight issues with vulkan. It's miles better than dx. No "stuttering". But it seems like there is some weird lag at times where animations are a bit jagged.
stiff pumice
Thanks @normal abyss and @flint laurel. Making my bootable usb right now, that's all I needed to know 🙂
rapid hemlock
yeah vulkan is much better than dx for me, but im getting a lot more stutters this league than last. Seems like GGG tanks the performance of vulkan significantly each expansion.
stiff pumice
Did ya'll install through Lutris?
normal abyss
That's always the safest way imo
stiff pumice
So, after installing on Steam, the game just..doesn't launch. Tried Proton 5.0-9, GE's custom build, nothing works. Pops up briefly saying 'Preparing to launch Path of Exile' but never does.
Anyone got any idea?
abstract sedge
do any other games work in proton? try running steam from the command line and look at the terminal output for a clue
you could also look at proton logs by setting PROTON_LOG=1 when launching the game
you can find the logs in your home directory
stiff pumice
@abstract sedge could I dm you the terminal info? I have no clue what I'm doing wrong 😂
abstract sedge
@stiff pumice sure np. but let's keep talking about it here to get everyone's input (i'm certainly no expert 😉
stiff pumice
tolerance@pop-os:~$ steam steam://run/238960
Running Steam on pop 20.04 64-bit
STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
Pins up-to-date!
Steam client's requirements are satisfied
/home/tolerance/.steam/debian-installation/ubuntu12_32/steam -nominidumps -nobreakpad steam://run/238960
[2020-09-26 04:27:53] Startup - updater built Sep 3 2020 21:18:09
[2020-09-26 04:27:53] Verifying installation...
[2020-09-26 04:27:53] Verification complete
STEAM_RUNTIME_HEAVY: ./steam-runtime-heavy
vkEnumeratePhysicalDevices failed, unable to init and enumerate GPUs with Vulkan.
BInit - Unable to initialize Vulkan!
vkEnumeratePhysicalDevices failed, unable to init and enumerate GPUs with Vulkan.
BInit - Unable to initialize Vulkan!
Warning: failed to set thread priority: set failed for 4: -1: setpriority() failed
Warning: failed to set thread priority: set failed for priority 4
Warning: support for elevated priorities is most likely unavailable, suppressing future warnings
Warning: failed to set thread priority: set failed for 4: -1: setpriority() failed
Warning: failed to set thread priority: set failed for priority 4
Warning: support for elevated priorities is most likely unavailable, suppressing future warnings
[2020-09-26 04:29:57] Shutdown
Nothing happened running from Terminal either. Trying to locate my logs now while downloading win10 iso xd
abstract sedge
It would suggest a Vulkan/gpu driver issue. Do you have Nvidia or AMD? if Nvidia, copy paste the output of the following from the terminal:
nvidia-smi
here.
stiff pumice
I'm on AMD
abstract sedge
ah ok. where did you get the amd gpu drivers from?
stiff pumice
They're preinstalled with pop os
abstract sedge
i see
i'll have to do some quick digging around, as I'm not familiar with Pop OS or Amd. But the issue is that Vulkan is either not installed and/or the GPU drivers aren't installed properly. Either should be easy to fix. Gimme a sec.
try
vulkaninfo | less
in terminal
if it's working, you should see pages of info
stiff pumice
ERROR: [Loader Message] Code 0 : /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libvulkan_radeon.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
ERROR: [Loader Message] Code 0 : /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libvulkan_intel.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
/build/vulkan-tools-KEbD_A/vulkan-tools-1.2.131.1+dfsg1/vulkaninfo/vulkaninfo.h:477: failed with ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED
Gonna shoot in the dark here and say I borked installing vulkan somehow
abstract sedge
i think you're just missing the 32-bit vulkan version - lemme check how you can verify/install them on pop os
type this in terminal and come back with output:
glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"
that gives us the mesa driver version you have, if any
stiff pumice
OpenGL version string: 4.5 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 20.1.8 - kisak-mesa PPA
abstract sedge
ok that's a very recent one. good. now install the 32bit vulkan/mesa driver with these commands(3 steps, the i386 one is the one we're after, but we can also include the 64bit ones here just in case):
sudo apt install mesa-vulkan-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386
sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade
stiff pumice
done
mesa-vulkan-drivers is already the newest version (20.1.8~kisak1~f).
mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386 is already the newest version (20.1.8~kisak1~f).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
abstract sedge
ah ok. pop os is nice to everyone and includes them already. then we just need the vulkan packages, sec
1st make sure 32bit libraries are enabled on your distro:
sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
Then install some potentially missing vulkan packages:
sudo apt install libvulkan1 libvulkan1:i386 vulkan-utils libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade
After this I have no more ideas 😦 maybe someone more familiar with Ubuntu-based distros can help?
abstract sedge
you already had those packages installed?
stiff pumice
I did
abstract sedge
ok, you might need a reboot if you didn't have the 32bit libraries enabled by default in Pop OS, so maybe try rebooting as the last attempt. Other than that, sorry dude, and good luck
stiff pumice
Appreciate the help, back to windows for me 😭
abstract sedge
arggghhh we lost another one 😉
stiff pumice
Shame because I strongly prefer ubuntu over windows, but poe > preference
sharp maple
Did PoE's log say anything relevant?
stiff pumice
Couldn't even find them 😦
sharp maple
A possible location is ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/238960/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/My Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/
Another one is ~/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/
Doh, nevermind that, that's for the config file, the logs should be in the game's folder; right click in steam -> properties -> local files -> browse local files
sharp maple
Yup, not a lot of details there :D The only thing that seems unusual for me is that it repeats the Enumerated adapter twice per launch. Any other client logs I see on the forums only have it once
stiff pumice
I broke it real good haha
abstract sedge
I think it's a vulkan issue, as shown by steam logs and 'vulkaninfo'. the issue is how to solve that for ubuntu/pop os.
wooden forge
has anyone tried Proton-5.9-GE-6-ST?
sharp maple
I am using that atm, works ok, haven't run into repeating issues
sharp maple
Afaik no
wooden forge
Ok, I don't knwo why it's not launching for me in that Proton version, can you share you launch options?
sharp maple
VK_ICD_FILENAMES="/etc/vulkan/icd.d/nvidia_icd.json" RADV_PERFTEST=aco PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 %command% --nologo --waitforpreload --gc 2 some stuff might be way out of date, check if your icd.json is where mine is, it might be somewhere else
wooden forge
AFAIK if you use Vulkan from the propietary you are not on RADV, am I right?
this is what I have for AMDVLK VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/amd_icd64.json PROTON_NO_GLSL=1 PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 %command% --waitforpreload --noasync --nodx9ex --gc2 --nologo
I get a hang at start but after that it's ok
sharp maple
I get a hang too after launching, but I think that's mainly from the nologo and waitforpreload.
As for RADV, I think that I only use the mesa stuff+vulkan-tools. Not sure if they need anything from RADV/AMDVLK
@stiff pumice if you want to dig around with google for possible fixes, I think your best lead is /build/vulkan-tools-KEbD_A/vulkan-tools-1.2.131.1+dfsg1/vulkaninfo/vulkaninfo.h:477: failed with ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED from your vulkaninfo
wooden forge
this are my options fopr RADV PROTON_NO_GLSL=1 RADV_PERFTEST=aco PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 DXVK_ASYNC=1 %command% --waitforpreload --noasync --nodx9ex --gc2 --nologo
DXVK_ASYNC with noasync might be a contradiction?
sharp maple
noasync should address PoE's own async asset loading and dxvk_async should be proton related. So in my reading it's turning off PoE's way of doing things and letting dxvk handle it. Tho I wonder if it's still useful, since it supports vulkan now
As I mentioned, I didn't really tinker around with the launch options recently, so there's probably out of date stuff in there
stiff pumice
@sharp maple appreciate the help, but I'm back on windows now 😛
sharp maple
Fair enough, better luck next time 😄
wooden forge
Restarted Steam and now ti worked with the new GE version
worn parcel
Im quessing most use it via lutris (wine) as its automated process & performance is really not a problem
sharp maple
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/girazj/psa_for_linux_exiles_you_can_now_easily_run/ this works. With the AUR version you might run into a problem where loading a build will crash pob, and you need to update (rebuild) it manually
worn parcel
Yup, that prettymuch. minus the part 3. as you can just choose the fork straight from lutris (choose to install I'll add to avoid any confusion :P)
sharp maple
Oh cool, I did not know about that!
pastel pulsar
pobfrontend + localidentity git
frank condor
pobfrontend is crashing every so often and also its very laggy would highly recommend just skipping it and running through wine (so e.g via lutris)
and the aur package is using pobfrontend too
jolly flume
@sharp maple Thanks for the tip the other day. It was indeed vsync causing the lighting glitches.
I've got a new issue, though. Game is crashing intermittently, at least 3-4 times an hour now. The window just poofs. Forget trying to get through a labyrinth. It's impossible. I'm using Lutris. The game's running wonderfully otherwise.
worn parcel
running the standalone client via lutris ?
jolly flume
Yes.
worn parcel
Did you try out the steam version, does it have the same issues? just curious
jolly flume
Back during Delirium, on my old machine, yeah. Wanted to try just using Lutris this time to save on resources.
worn parcel
I had the same experience from the standalone client, given that it has been a while since I've tried it
But running via steam hasnt crashed once in ~800hours
jolly flume
I guess I can try Proton again. Just pains me that I need to use someone's DRM-laden software to get the game to run smoothly.
worn parcel
what wine version were you running it from in lutris? just staging or something else
jolly flume
Hmmm.. how does one check? It's whatever version of wine that's default. Didn't load anything special.
jolly flume
worn parcel
ah ye, well
jolly flume
?
worn parcel
if you really dont want proton, try out wine-staging
jolly flume
sudo apt install wine-staging or something?
worn parcel
should do, depending on distro
jolly flume
Ubuntu Studio 20.04
worn parcel
but I would highly recommend going along with proton, either the steam version or GE
you can still run it from lutris if you want to
worn parcel
😄
jolly flume
The steam window seems to have... disappeared?
worn parcel
Does it minimize it straight to tray or something?
jolly flume
Ohhh, fuck, it ... grrr.
Stupid thing, nevermind. It minimized to tray. So I just cancelled it for nothing.
worn parcel
Yeh
Anyway, you can change the runner options from lutris to use proton, or any other version of wine that you have installed
if you dont want to use steam client
worn parcel
You still need to install proton, how you go about it is up to you
jolly flume
Through black magic.
I shall chant in the moonlight.
Candles and pentagrams and shit.
worn parcel
🙂
so what you have now is normal wine
wine-staging is a patched version of that
it might run on that, I have no idea. Its overall just easier to get a proton or GE proton as im sure it has been patched for poe
jolly flume
All I know is Tencent better not push the whole Vanguard rootkit that Riot did.
worn parcel
haha, lets hope so
jolly flume
I mean even now, technically PoE is "illegal" to use in the US.
worn parcel
Given that GGG just released a mac client, that would be a plot twist
It would be odd if they went for poe to say the least 😄
jolly flume
Well, this is why tech illiterate boomers shouldn't attempt to regulate the Internet.
abstract sedge
Question for u who use path of building
@cursive viper I'm using literally a clean default normal wine to run POB community fork. Like, to my knowledge, it has nothing installed. And it works perfectly, auto-updates and everything.
abstract sedge
that's great and all, but seems a bit unnecessary
cursive viper
@cursive viper I'm using literally a clean default normal wine to run POB community fork. Like, to my knowledge, it has nothing installed. And it works perfectly, auto-updates and everything.
@abstract sedge thank u so very much i used the aur version but it works both ways
jolly flume
Yeah it is, just nice to have the icons right next to each other. 🙂
cursive viper
also im playing on intel uhd graphics with everything at shit20p
abstract sedge
hahaha 'shit20p', that's great 😉 it should become a meme i think. let's make it a meme.
cursive viper
wait for real ajahahha
jolly flume
Shit being a variable "s"
abstract sedge
agreed then, Electro56 coined it
cursive viper
yes i agree
for real tho know of any optimizations i can do to have less than shit20p
abstract sedge
is anyone else here like me? They spend hours tinkering, building and compiling custom wine, dxvk, gpu drivers and 3rd party utilities, setting up custom wine prefixes and scouring the web for launch options - only to play for a few hours a night, because they get tired after work and/or get bored too easily?
No? Just me then? k
cursive viper
@abstract sedge that shits cool i wish si knew how to do that so i can get like infinity + 10 fps
abstract sedge
@cursive viper I'm not sure how much optimisation one can do with an intel gpu...
abstract sedge
😦 why won't your dad let you play POE?
cursive viper
well he enforced this new shit rule where every minute i study i get one minute to play
abstract sedge
ouch
cursive viper
and somedays i simply dont have anything to study
idk why he enforced this i get good grades i swear
abstract sedge
sounds to me like a classic 'make-up shit' case. sort of like different departments in a company having to justify their budgets and they keep making up more and more expenses to get more and more money. I'm pretty sure that's also applicable in this case.
cursive viper
idk maybe its because my brother gets bad grade
grades
and hes like showing its fair or something
@abstract sedge but tbh my uncle gave me a genius idea
basically take everything u studied read it once
take out ur phone play for a while
read it again
and stuff
should waste a good hour or so
abstract sedge
hm. interesting. I heard it's a good idea to take a break every hour or so from working/studying. keeps your mind sharp.
cursive viper
hmm i guess so but also its ridiculous because hes taking away my one hobby
like my dream is to do something in gaming or astronomy and him taking it away ots like when i get the time to play i feel so unmotivated
abstract sedge
yeah, it's hard to enjoy something when your parents disapprove of it so much, and make you feel guilty about it. Honestly, there's abotu 2349034905340 things that are worse than video gaming, that you could be doing. But I seem to remember my parents were fairly negative towards gaming too, back in the day. Not much you can do about it.
stone sorrel
my dad was like this too lol
i just left the house at 17 and started programming to pay rent
then all of a sudden it was ok to be on the computer 😛
cursive viper
its not even he dissaproves
stone sorrel
oh the irony
cursive viper
its just im introverted so i dont spend time with them
and he thinks its my pcs faukt
like what part of i hate other people do u not understand
spend much**
abstract sedge
i wouldn't worry about it too much - things have a way of working themselves out in a family. everyone learns to appreciate other, little things like how people spend their free time seem to disappear. probably due to some other major crisis, like omg my sister got a dog instead of a cat, or she married a useless hobo, or she's pregnant or a million other things about another sibling to make you look better 😉
cursive viper
ahahah
u know im genuinly shooting os hard for the stars just to get the best grades i can and so they can fuck off
like usually i try but not too much
this time im gonna study like 3-4 hrs each exam
abstract sedge
that's actually really great. despite what many people say, good grades help a lot in later life. A university degree helps so much in getting a foot in the door to land a job. It's either that or mad skillz getting connections, which is rare tbh.
cursive viper
@abstract sedge i have connections
trust me i dont like people but all ive been doing lately is talking to people because its good to have connections
abstract sedge
oh wow, awesome. yeah, to use a cliche, it's not what you know, it's who you know most of the times in job applications. Of course, to keep the job you do need to also know what you're doing at some point.
stone sorrel
yeah degree doesnt matter too much once you have some experience
just for starting out usually
abstract sedge
^true. but to land a job, which is super difficult, you need something to start out your career and get that experience.
i'm not gonna lie, this happens usually with connections, i.e. corruption as i like to call it in other words to be semantic. it's either that or being in the top 5% of applicants and playing the interview lottery.
cursive viper
Well i live in a little country where connections are everything
All companies hire
But if u want a good income and job (probs not gonna work here but the point is) you need connections because good income is either internal hiring in the company or a connections
abstract sedge
yeah, connections play a big part in hiring new people - even in big companies with a rigorous HR process. Everyone knows this. And I don't really see it as that harmful. Sure, a guy with the best grades from a top university might get passed over for the bosses nephew who can't count past single digits, but at the end of the day, a university degree does not guarantee you know anything about the job you're applying to. Like 0.0%. Nothing. Everyone pretty much starts fresh, with no experience.
Yes, the potential is there to learn quicker for the educated guy, but it's not exactly guaranteed.
stone sorrel
connections aren't everything unless you've been working for a while already
abstract sedge
Even Elon friggin Musk says university is overrated
cursive viper
Rojimboo i one hundred percent agree
stone sorrel
you do uni to prove that you are at a certain knowledge level and companies know what to expect when they hire you
cursive viper
Also the world is controlled by connections now im not an illuminati believer but the 1% of the top1% those guys the people with the most money power and connections control everything even if it is indirectly to be honest
Anyway yall im sorry its been amazing talking to u guys but i gotta go sleep peace :)
stone sorrel
take it easy
abstract sedge
see ya 🙂
cursive viper
See ya gotta blast
abstract sedge
yeah, i think university degrees are still crucial to landing decent jobs. not only because the people hiring you are also graduates, but also because they know that the main skill you get from higher education is the gift of swift learning. You learn how to learn in university. Grasp concepts quicker, adapt to different topics and subjects being introduced and so on. That's a gift in the professional world, especially just starting out.
It's basically a safety net. 'We know you know nothing. But maybe you will soon'
shadow pawn
Okay, I did manage to find the item filter location
it's ./.steam/debian-installation/steamapps/compatdata/238960/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/My Documents/My Games/Path of Exile
stone wave
Hey, I'm trying to install POE on Linux (Pop OS), I installed it through Steam, with Proton, but it is still not launching, any tips ?
sharp maple
Have you tried with the gloriouseggroll (GE) proton version? Edit: https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom/releases/tag/5.9-GE-6-ST
stiff pumice
@sharp maple he's gonna be another me, I was using the same os 😛
sharp maple
Yup, that's possible :D
stone wave
Do I have to use a linux command to replace my proton version ? (still a noob)
sharp maple
No, you should be able to extract it with the file manager you have (right click the .tar.gz, look for something like "Extract here"). https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom#installation - not sure if you've found this yet, pretty straight-forward. ~ refers to your home directory, usually /home/<username>/
And if you're unsure, just ask, we'll try to help
stone wave
Ok thanks !
worn parcel
no need to be afraid of terminal, its usually way faster to do things there instead of gui unless the task is strictly graphical (like editing a image for example) 😄
tar xvf Proton-5.9-GE-6-ST.tar.gz && mkdir ~/.steam/root/compatibilitytools.d/ && mv Proton-5.9-GE-6-ST ~/.steam/root/compatibilitytools.d/ when run on the folder where you downloaded GE will install it
given that the folder doesnt exist
stone wave
Steam isn't even launching, this is quite curious
although I did manage to install POE through proton yesterday
stone wave
Nvm, i managed to solve it, thanks everybody ! 😄
waxen skiff
Hey guys. Anyone here had problem with items pickup? It seems that Key Pickup option set to 'Use Bound Key (Alt)' does not work with windowed fullscreen. In normal fullscreen everything is fine. I am using standalone version.
stuck saffron
@waxen skiff which DE do you use? If it's KDE, that is the solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/7bok16/how_can_i_change_the_behavior_of_altclick_on_kde/
waxen skiff
@stuck saffron I use Cinnamon and you were right. Changing modifier key fixed the issue. Thank you. No more switching to windows. Yay ☺️
stuck saffron
@waxen skiff That's great😊
wide cipher
anyone else got trouble with cast on crit 