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jolly star
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switched to vulkan as it seemed to work on steam deck, no crashes yet

ebon glacier
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fixing apps nixos all day everyday

patent fern
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Last client patch for either game was like 4-5 days ago.

ebon glacier
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sudo nixos-rebuild switch --flake /etc/nixos#tenzero-pc
building the system configuration...
evaluation warning: 'swww' has been renamed to 'awww'
Checking switch inhibitors... done
cleaning /boot/limine/xen
Config file BLAKE2B successfully enrolled.
removing unused boot files...
stopping the following units: accounts-daemon.service
activating the configuration...
setting up /etc...
reloading user units for tenzero...
restarting sysinit-reactivation.target
reloading the following units: dbus.service
restarting the following units: polkit.service
starting the following units: accounts-daemon.service
the following new units were started: NetworkManager-dispatcher.service
Done. The new configuration is /nix/store/fm2cz2zpj50c3vn4m858sc5db1ymgzjx-nixos-system-tenzero-pc-26.05.20260409.4c1018d

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config worked

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now i got to check steam and get path of exile installed

ebon glacier
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i have vulkan but i got my own configs everything works great

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250 fps on warthunder with movie grahfics

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rn im just testing nixos to see if its something ill replace arch with

ebon glacier
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everything is done time to play path of exile i hope

ebon glacier
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now i can roast every linux distro ive done nixos linux from scratch

ebon glacier
ebon glacier
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im thinking of creating an email for people to send me sketchy ass files that they where sent for virus testing to keep my any run acc live cuz i have to do certen amount of test every month

brisk geode
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How about you keep this chat to POE

ebon glacier
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so yea path of exile 1 and 2 work on my nixos install and very stable unlike some of the people in this chat that cant get the game to work on the most basic linux distro

brisk geode
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charming

craggy pendant
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Did you know that Gladiator's powerful defence layer is also usable on social media

ebon glacier
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update i have nixos perfect now path of exile 1 and 2 run very well only run sudo nixos-rebuild switch when want to update stuff

proven needle
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Interesting

brisk geode
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Yeah that is not happening, i hate claims like these. There is so much information missing, and he is just throwing the x2 fps out there. Unless his windows install were messed up hes is not getting double fps overall, maybe in the screenshot with nothing happening on the screen and in the low resolution he is using

craggy pendant
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Reddit things

raven pier
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How do Path of Exile tools send things like /hideout on Wayland?

ebon glacier
ebon glacier
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after all it is reddit id take it with a grain of salt

brisk geode
# ebon glacier after all it is reddit id take it with a grain of salt

I am dual booting both on my new system and the old one. I have seen improvements in both fps and framerate stability on linux. If you look at his post history his claim is that linux took him to 60 fps compared to 40-50 on windows, then the new vram patch took him from 60 to 100 fps. Absolute madness

craggy pendant
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Yeah, there is many aspects in it and not a simple binary difference.
Elden Ring specifically had much easier time on Linux because of how much worse the shader compliation was handled on Windows

ebon glacier
outer pagoda
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eh, kind of? its pretty here n there, im on AMD so the graphics drivers at stock implicitly blow windows out of the water, its also very noticeable playing games like minecraft dungeons for long sessions where memory management in the game itself is questionable, so the game ends up stuttering on windows where it runs buttery in an older version of proton, with easier encapsulation of resources

ebon glacier
shell elm
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trying proton 11 beta on steam, I see fps+

proven needle
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There's been several rather big improvements on theblinux side for sure, I hope someone does a proper benchmarking for it soon.
It certainly feels better to me compared to when I last used linux.
But that might just be placebo.

craggy pendant
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To me it's been good enough to fully switch a few years ago, fortunately I wasn't limited by specific software
The improvements, especially with Valve helping out, have been massive compared to several years ago+

proven needle
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I can certainly say that poe by itself performs much better

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Though I can't say why, but I instaleld cachy yesterday, and poe2 , even if just in acts easily goes from the around 90m fps I had to a stable 120

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But I also got much better framerates on windows when I disabled discord, so it might be that too

ebon glacier
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its not just wine its also tweaks ive made to my own system and adding new stuff to my system and finding more tweaks that are not proton realated

patent fern
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One of the bigger perf crimes I've had on Windows were the transparent window overlays like APT/EE2 which make the DWM compositor fall back to a less direct blitting presentation mode rather than the flipping it has for an unobscured client.
Hits both frame rate and introduces judder.

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I run APT in browser mode there to avoid the hit myself, which also lets me have the price check on a second screen browser.

ebon glacier
outer pagoda
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i dont remember that one from the somachord...

ebon glacier
pastel owl
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awakened poe trade suddenly broke again, i changed nothing but now when i price check the game micro stutters for less than a second and nothing happens, while shift+space is working perfectly fine, any clues why? I am certain I have forced the app to be in x11

tiny oracle
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same issue

ebon glacier
pastel owl
# ebon glacier do be like that some times ey

Someone in global said the issue is that the issue is that wl-paste cant send to x11 paste and that is why the micro stuttering happens while the overlay itself is working because it doesn’t have to send any pastebin information

ebon glacier
ebon glacier
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x11 support throw that shit in the trash

ebon glacier
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this is a wayland session aswell so i changed a few things

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still fixing shit

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definitely not releasing this shit this shit Works fucking well on Wayland

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still have to go though some tweaks but works well is it hard to setup YES

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when it comes to getting overlay applications to work on linux its kinda my thing considering i do it for amatur radio applications that use overlays with other software so i have gotten better when it comes to fixing issues with overlay software

brisk geode
sleek lodge
tawdry socket
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Has anyone tried to get awakened poe trade on steamdeck/ has a guide for it

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Nvm see the pin

patent fern
craggy pendant
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If we say "Remove the French language pack" will it reach into those rm -rf memes ?

ebon glacier
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DO NOT RUN THAT common joke linux users love to play on noobs blows up ur system completly

ebon glacier
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suprized it still tricks users

patent fern
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I like the supporter thank you panel at the end of Brodie videos:

image.png
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And yes, I've done recursive rm or chmod in the wrong tree before; many times.
Well before the fancy new protection flags appeared in some rm implementations.

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Brings a very special sinking feeling of wondering if you have working backups.

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But yeah, I've made it a habit of never ever joking about anything destructive; pranks should be benign and hilarious.

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Much like the shenanigans in Super Troopers.

tender furnace
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Does anybody know how to use PoE Awakened on Linux?

brisk geode
round sedge
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I followed the directions in the pin for CachyOS, the F5 macro works, but I can't get price check to work - Ctrl-Alt-D and Ctrl-D don't.

tender furnace
strong kraken
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i use rm -rf all the time to delete directories

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well maybe not all the time but roughly on a weekly basis

strong kraken
ebon glacier
strong kraken
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Your knowledge was anti-demonstrated by that message.

proven needle
brisk geode
# tender furnace How I do dat?

Install from package manager on your system or download the appimage and if you search in here you can find how to start in x11

patent fern
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Speaking of running random commands from the Internet, happy patch day to all the sysadmins out there: https://copy.fail/

Xint
Copy Fail β€” 732 Bytes to Root

CVE-2026-31431. 100% Reliable Linux LPE β€” no race, no per-distro offsets, page-cache write that bypasses on-disk file-integrity tools and crosses containers. Found by Xint Code.

ebon glacier
ebon glacier
ebon glacier
proven needle
pastel owl
round sedge
outer pagoda
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even the supposed "technical writeup" is an airy, unsuccinct, unreadable piece of garbage

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was what, a week ago? trendmicro had to heavily retract a report on the vercel incident bc it was full of hallucinatory bullshit

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security researchers really try to make themselves the most unlikeable chuckleheads in the industry

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also "732 bytes" and its zlib with import os as g

ebon glacier
outer pagoda
ebon glacier
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but when i do a rework of a software its kept private

proven needle
ebon glacier
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I tweak it very specifically for my system

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only thing i do is make scripts that install all of wine plugins and what not for amatur radio use

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but yea i keep to my self alot

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i dont consider it gate keeping cuz off the fact i made those changes not the dev behind the software so

proven needle
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I suppose that makes sense

outer pagoda
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devs also tend to get rather annoyed if random barely tested PRs are submitted

ebon glacier
ebon glacier
ebon glacier
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its in the god dam README,MD

outer pagoda
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who even needs ai to be delusional

ebon glacier
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it has uses

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i hate when its used to bombbard devs

green vector
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Hello, what is the best upscaling mode/rendered for maximising fps? im on this card

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fading topaz
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Kind of hard to gauge based on the GPU alone. I don't really recommend doing upscaling if you're aiming for just 1080p resolution. The key really comes to identifying, based on fairly default settings, what the bottleneck is, and what your FPS averages to be at that. You can check the performance graphs by pressing F1 in-game

proven needle
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Pretty sure FSR is the only one that really works with that card anyways, might be worth playing around with if you can get a few fps out of it

gray furnace
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Anyone have any ways to improve performance? I get FPS dips while mapping on my build that I didn't get on windows. I'm guessing its due to a bottleneck with my CPU that i some how didn't have on windows

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If I had to guess its due to windows having DSR support

zinc wing
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outside of that its literally just customizing your settings the same as windows

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like sound channel to medium

woven crescent
river vale
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There is a known bug with Steam, it started since Valve released steam recording feature.

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some games start to lag crazily after 30-40min

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workaround is to launch games with parameter
LD_PRELOAD="" %command% , this disables any sort of preloaded stuff before game is launched (like steam overlay and other stuff), just happens to be this also disallows all the steam recording features and thus no timebomb lag.

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you can chain stuff if you need, like mangohud, would look like this then
LD_PRELOAD="" mangohud %command%

river vale
zinc wing
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should work on almost any distro you fancy, the performance difference between arch and fedora is negligible

river vale
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What should work ?

outer pagoda
river vale
# outer pagoda the indicator that that particular bug is taking effect is the cpu frametime ing...

no, thats not really connected with CPU, the bug happens because of too much data accumulated from mouse/key events, especially when users have configured high polling rates for mouse. Not sure why Valve has not fixed it for so long. The indicator that the steam recording is causing decrease in FPS is if you play a game for 30-40 min and suddenly games FPS decrease more and more, but only when you move your mouse or enter key presses.

outer pagoda
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i didnt say the cpu is the cause, cpu frametimes being the specific value is the visible effect that indicates it is steam replay causing the lag

river vale
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Not sure what you mean by that, you have some reference material for this ?

outer pagoda
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yeah man my eyes

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feel free to trigger the bug and press f1

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its not a new bug, i had the pleasure of dealing with it like 18 months ago

river vale
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did the lag stop when you were not moving mouse or entering keys ?

outer pagoda
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no, it was constant while the game was tabbed in

river vale
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then its something else, not aware of anything like that.

outer pagoda
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the "moving mouse" thing is setup dependent

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and not at all consistent

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the only consistency is that steam replay is the cause, because it does something to sleep the game loop that makes it take a minimum of 50ms per frame

river vale
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it depends slightly on polling rate settings for mouse, some people have "gaming" polling rates and get to laggy state 10min sooner.

outer pagoda
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for mine it was ~25 minutes maybe, idk i dont play with the overlay bc i have been LD_PRELOADing it away since

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the end of 2024

river vale
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heh, its phenomenal that this crap still exists. Valve does many things right yet somehow manage to let this crap go on for years.

outer pagoda
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poe/poe2 are quite exceptional in this regard, i dont think a lot of it is valves fault

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i have encountered a fuckton of weird proton bugs not replicable in other games

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steam replay doing what it does is not unlikely to be something to do with how poe handles one of the random steam apis, its the only game i know of this happening after it got fixed in dota

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amusingly the bug was known about as early as august and still made it to the december release of that feature

proven needle
outer pagoda
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just test n go prob

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disabling overlay also disables the ingame mtx store, ld_preload is functionally just blocking the overlay from ever loading

proven needle
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I don't think I ever bought an mtx through the ingame store.
Outside of points, since I always bought on the website.

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But I'll see how performance is with those settings later today

river vale
# proven needle Would it be enough to just have the steam overlay and recording disabled in sett...

I've tested and no, seems when a game is launched from steam there are some steam processes launched as well that now try and poll data (for recording purposes, because video recording needs tags when kills or whatever happen for some reason i guess), even if recording is globally turned off on Steam.
Only launching with LD_PRELOAD="" %command% ensures that the game process is running and nothing else. It may disable some features for some games i am not aware of perhaps, so worth testing always, but the lag time bomb ? gone.

Some people swear that lag bomb is gone after they ENABLED the steam overlay rather than keeping disabled, but I have not really had such a case personally.

proven needle
river vale
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ikr, when it first started I wanted to tear my hair out, its such a disgustingly hidden bug, and i blamed many games for that, when in reality it was Steam.

proven needle
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I wonder if said lags caused those random crashes I had in poe and helldivers 2

ebon glacier
river vale
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I have, but why not use proton, its a convenient wine.

minor frigate
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HUGE W FOR LINUX, WE DONT NEED TO USE 3RD PARTY PRICE CHECKERS ANYMORE

ebon glacier
ebon glacier
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also ive gotten more FPS boost with wine than i do proton

opaque snow
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i'm literally being bullied by awakened poe trade and exiled exchange 2 right now for no reason after a reinstall. lol

zinc wing
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poe1 was a trouble for me tho, awakened poe trade is a problem on wayland, at least exhiled exchange 2 works good

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PoB also works as is

opaque snow
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PoB is flawless. but i'm having issues with both rn

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and last install i had APT working flawlessly

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idk what changed

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same distro

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same de

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oh but if you haven't yet, you might want to run protontricks 2694490 usp10 corefonts tahoma - the aΰΈΊ crash is present in PoE2 as well

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that little guy

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ebon glacier
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what distro you using

opaque snow
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CachyOS

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Nix is NOT a lie... it's on my laptop πŸ˜‰

ebon glacier
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using catchy have the nixos discord tag

opaque snow
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lol

ebon glacier
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i like nixos i use it for server use tho

opaque snow
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running Niri and Noctalia on unstable branch

ebon glacier
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i dont join linux communitys

opaque snow
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the nix discord is lively but unofficial. the cachy discord is official and pretty decent tbh.

ebon glacier
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i just use regluler arch linux

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i got hyperland cealestia shell setup

opaque snow
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tbh i would probably be on arch on my desktop but i want firsthand experience with cachy because when my friends inevitably hop over i want a distro i can recommend that i am familiar with

ebon glacier
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i used to distro hop alot till i just locked into arch

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i still do but i have a a PCI card with 4 extra SSDS for testinjg other distros

opaque snow
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yeah im done hopping. I'm definitely in the Arch ecosystem except of course for Nix. that is a lot of fun to learn.

ebon glacier
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for nix users better than arch users

ebon glacier
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i built it from scratch

opaque snow
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nah i dont need to experience that eldritch abomination of making literally every decision out from the kernel lol

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i respect it but "no"

ebon glacier
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distros i love arch nixos gentoo

opaque snow
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haven't touched Gentoo but i think it's very neat

ebon glacier
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yea waiting 5 days for your system to update is nice

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sooner or later all linux users will see that every distro is just debian

ebon glacier
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good when doing fleet stuff

zinc wing
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thankfully i didn't got infected with the distro hopping syndrome, i just want to make sure to test both bazzite and cachy to be sure to feel the immutable and non

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and now im on cachy since then

patent fern
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Did you peeps catch the mention of the Steam Deck in the Q&A?

zinc wing
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no

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why

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what happened

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tell it now

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out with it

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hey

patent fern
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Something about having UI and stuff a bit more aware of the form factor, testing a bit with the Deck, etc.

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Didn't really pay attention.

zinc wing
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ahh nice, i'll buy deck 2 a few years later so its gonna be good by then kek

ebon glacier
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i dont keep up to date on that crap but scalpers at it again on the steam controller

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ima wait till steam has it and buy it from steam i want them to get money not scalpers

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i might buy 3 of them

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one for me and one for my brother then one as an extra

zinc wing
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i got 2 but took 4 hours of camping at the eve of 2am(release time)

ebon glacier
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and make it so have to be a steam user for 3 years

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and have two relesse dates

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one for the users of steam then the broad relesse

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not users that create a steam account and order it

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what ive would have done

zinc wing
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i guess so, but unfortunately that doesn't work on my region(japan) since we are thrown to a 3rd party partner https://komodostation.com/

ebon glacier
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aw japan

zinc wing
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btw if our unit is a defect there's no support to call

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im taking all the risk for steam lol

ebon glacier
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i want the stream frame

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see how it does for DCS and warthunder

zinc wing
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i want the steam deck 2 which is probably 2028 onwards

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i skipped 1

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playing the long waiting game

ebon glacier
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want to know what i did

zinc wing
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frame idk what to play with it since im good at sitting at my desk

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wat

ebon glacier
# zinc wing wat

so yea anytime scalpers want something near me i have a friend i gone to high school with

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to take stuff for me

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know the PS5 scalpers

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i got one of those aswell

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idea find a friend that works at walmart then you are golden

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before walmart opens buys them i pay him back so i can sit back do what i want

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wish they had the steam controller at walmart then i would have one

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yea so the class i was in with 2 friends one works at walmart the other at microcenter

opaque snow
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Ok so spoilers for anyone who wants to watch the reveal || yeah that's pretty cool i love the price check feature being built-in that is a HUGE win. and i love the build tool that is very very cool. Though i definitely am going to be using POB still. i dont expect to stop doing that. ||

outer pagoda
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there was basically no scalping, could only buy 2 controllers per account, and all those ebay listing screenshots floating around were from before they could have ever actually received the controller even if they did manage to buy it

ebon glacier
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cuz of that funny ASF

outer pagoda
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the vast majority of them got banned for fraud yes

ebon glacier
craggy pendant
craggy pendant
# zinc wing wym?

They meant that in the poe2 reveal they showed a new in-game function that does that

minor frigate
# zinc wing wym?

The 0.5.0 stream just showed us that there's gonna be an ingame price checker, which is basically a script that puts in the stats of the item to the ingame trade window, ergo no need for 3rd party price checking anymore.

Yeah, PoB works as is, but there's gonna be an in-game build planner so.... No need for PoB also.

zinc wing
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i did watched the stream afterwards after people mentioned it but

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yeah there is build planner

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but it feels like just a guide

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can you even compare actual numbers to see if you're upgrading actual gear like PoB does?

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if not PoB is still required just to see if the item you are eye-ing will actually be an upgrade

patent fern
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The purpose of the in-game build planner is to given an externally generated input file, highlight and annotate passives, skills, supports, and items, qualifying each with a character level range.
You still need external tooling to author such a file, like assumedly PoB or popular build guide websites.

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You'd use it to indicate which nodes to pick in your tree at what level span, helpful notes on your inventory slots, etc.

golden jasper
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hi does someone know how to make awakened poe work on linux ? it is installed, im using gear lever too, but it just doesnΒ΄t work

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opaque snow
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probably started the message then got distracted and finished like 20 mins later lol

opaque snow
zinc wing
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I guess so, but still, PoB is needed in this case

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my only gripe to upgrading gear is i want to see if the gear that >I haven't bought yet< will be better than my current one because numbers alone isn't enough when there's a lot of factors

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PoB does that

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but i guess its a progress and its nice to see

opaque snow
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why would pob be needed in that case?

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someone just wants to follow a guide they dont need pob

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they import the build and follow it

craggy pendant
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yeah just for the end user it's not needed, just for the build creator it would be

zinc wing
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am i missing something?

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when you are upgrading your gear you cannot see all the actual numbers that matters when you just compare 2 items besides each other, but PoB shows that difference

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that's how i can tell if i should buy that item

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do you guys just blindly buy an item just because its better +50% more skill damage or + skill? but in reality its not actually better?

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specially in end game it matters

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I'm not a build maker too, im the end user that wants that and want to know that in-game without going to PoB to upload the stats of the item

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even just depending on skill window DPS, how are you going to compare an item that you don't even have yet? PoB enables you that

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im not defending PoB, its the opposite, i want to get rid of it too, but the in-game build guide update seems just that -- a build guide but i don't think it shows you if your effective DPS is actually better or not by picking a specific gear

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which again, im very thankful i didn't expect to even have that -- and as mentioned, its a progress and only this problem left in my own opinion

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unless im misunderstanding something

craggy pendant
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for optimisation pob is very useful still

zinc wing
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I feel like even a simplest hover over someone's merchant item to check the skill window DPS if it went up or down is at least viable to put easily tho

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i actually want to quit PoB

fossil frost
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Doesn't matter how much they polish the UX & UI if the game is basically unplayable at that point.

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1/2 refresh rate + frame generation could maybe be ok.

proven needle
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THey did say that they're doing testing for steamdeck and want to get it more playable on there, so there's that I suppose

opaque snow
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so is there a fix for EE2 with Wayland?

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and yeah i'm on KDE

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i know that there's going to be built-in price checking but my worry is that it's not really up to where the overlays are and it'll end up being a bit useless in many ways

ebon glacier
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my linux tree

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plan to add more to separate apps more

ebon glacier
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its the directory tree of all the directorys on the system

torpid helm
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At least from what people told me

bronze salmon
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Does anybody know if the latest steam deck update broke something? PoE is crashing a lot today after updating last night.

queen stream
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Hey, why does the game try to force me to use a controller?
Is there a new setting I need to disable?

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Nvm, it was set to controller, for some reason.
Never used one on POE2.

proven needle
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Had the same first time I started it on linux, quite interesting

gleaming remnant
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Have you selected controller in the menu?

proven needle
patent fern
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I think I had that pop once on CachyOS when I tried the other month at home.

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Blamed Steam Controller or something for it with no evidence πŸ˜„

ebon glacier
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im fking kidden dont fry me

patent fern
brisk geode
proven needle
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Interesting, I didn't have a controller connected either.
Cachy here too

jovial current
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Will hopefully not be a problem anymore after the next update.
it sounded like they said in the Ziggy interview that they had implemented hot swapping between controller and keyboard.

So i would expect it to just detect you're clicking on the mouse and then swap to keyboard+mouse mode

craggy pendant
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Didnt they say that they had resources to do either hot swapping or frag tab, and they went with the latter?

torn cloak
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that is what i heard

sly pollen
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I've been tempted to install a gaming friendly Linux distro, but honestly just want steam os and have it work with very little work to get working with nvidia gpu.

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Windows is my anti-cheat required os. Steam os would quickly become my work and play literally anything else os.

proven needle
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I am very pleased with cachy os personally.
Steam just works, and it's fairly simple too

ebon glacier
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ive been testing kiro-cli

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works to fix issues on the system and patch bugs when you tell it what to do

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i used arch before the idea of vibe coding existed will say its perfect

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using an ai like kiro to manage a system does work

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install a lightwaight like artix os onto a 50 to 100 gb flash drive and install kiro have that drive as an ai helper for fixing distros

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plugin and use it

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i have one almost zero down time with that tool

patent fern
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Road warrior laptop has both Windows and some distro with some unholy rEFInd shenanigans to maintain SB attestation.

sly pollen
fervent eagle
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I have never really felt the need for a "gaming" distro

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Especially since proton has gotten so good I dont miss the days of needing to manage endless tweaks and wine configs

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Will say its sick that we are getting in-client price checking because getting the various trade apps to play nice with window rules and wayland stuff was always a pain

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I hope POE1 gets it next league

outer pagoda
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valve discourages people atm from downloading steamOS for use on devices that arent steamdeck because its UX is very much tailored to that hardware

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there is plans for a more general use flavour of it but that'll probably be unveiled when the steam machine is actually able to go into production

sly pollen
outer pagoda
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if you use an external partition as home drive its pretty easy to just distrohop

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i'm not much a fan of bazzite being immutable as it bloats the hell out of every app installation, but if you dont mind giving up disk space for less setup pains its there

patent fern
opaque snow
# sly pollen Dual boot because there's no way can get another pc rn haha.

cachyos has been pretty smooth in my experience - also i have secure boot enabled without even needing sbctl but that is possible and easily done with documentation. i was able to just set my motherboard to SB compat mode and it works on both windows and linux. but honestly i only really use windows like, once in a blue moon for Tarkov. maybe i'll end up doing some modded playthrough of some game or another for awhile but that's really the only gaming thing that linux still can't do (yet) as easily/stably as Windows

carmine geyser
opaque snow
patent fern
#

Surprised that you managed to get proper PoB to be mismatched enough there, considering that the runtime and the data is bundled together and it doesn't rely on any OS fonts.

ebon glacier
#

with a few tweaks now get an extra 100 FPS ontop of my 60 fps i had

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160 fps to 170

ebon glacier
sly pollen
ebon glacier
#

see the same boost across all my games

sly pollen
#

Nice

hollow briar
ebon glacier
#

clean system

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all games

hollow briar
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fascinating, I'll have to give it a shot

ebon glacier
#

i have no idea how it work work for ur system but mine is way drift

hollow briar
#

That's okay, I'll give it the ole college try. Thank you

ebon glacier
#

also patched a few bugs i found in the kernel i use zen kernel

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keep in mind i use the windows version of poe1 and 2 with wine

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not steam

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same boott is seen on games installed via steam

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ima open poe1 and i have another game running at the same time

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stable even with two games running

ebon glacier
#

im getting a benchmark software

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gonna monitor the system see if theres areas i can make changes to

ebon glacier
#

the fps counter is hidden cuz of the screen cuz i use cleastia shell with hyperland

opaque snow
ebon glacier
#

I use something called superposition benchmark

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no i havent used those before

opaque snow
#

next time you're in a position to try definitely do. i really like them both

ebon glacier
#

this benchmark i use i think is good enough

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its strong benchmark

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if you want to see it i can vc and screen share

opaque snow
#

what's your 1% lows?

ebon glacier
#

i need to check it again hold up

opaque snow
#

i've got a 160fps main monitor which i'm usually happy to get at least a stable 90-100. though in PoE most of the time i get 160 flat. depends on what's in the screen. rarely ever drops below 120 in either title. there's a game which struggles to get 100 in most cases though.

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but the thing that i notice most in games is if there are ever any little hitches, frame drops, etc.

ebon glacier
#

this software just shows fps

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with all the crap it does it tanks it down to 40

opaque snow
#

can you launch w/ mangohud?

ebon glacier
#

i could

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i had to install it thou not too keen on installing random software as i like to keep my storage useage low

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in misct lobby 1

opaque snow
#

im good i was just curious what your lows were since that is a bit more important than max or avg

ebon glacier
#

im not really a benchmark kinda guy i just look at the fps and see what my numbers are

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mostly stay around low is 150 to 160 to 170 if lucky

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considering its a 4060 i got avarage of 100 fps if that on warthunder on windows

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so ive seen performace boost on linux so far been using it for a year now i never really daily drove linux till now

opaque snow
#

the only reason i have windows anymore is because of Tarkov. and kinda sorta hardware updates like i had to run a patch for my nvidia card last week. was an insane process really idk why they dont just release an ISO that doesnt require a specific, especially proprietary OS.

ebon glacier
#

i did use nixos for some time

opaque snow
#

i was on nix for about a month on my laptop. was fun to learn

ebon glacier
#

i did love how that system is able to clone it self based off one config fille

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recently i cloned my entire arch system to another drive for my laptop and it had a black screen so i had to go in change all the drivers so that works for my laptop with a 3070 now

outer pagoda
ebon glacier
elfin furnace
#

my honest suggestion as a dev that's gone back and forth between win11 and dual booting to various distros is that cachyos+cosmic desktop is probably the best all rounder solution atm. I haven't booted back to windows for months at this point and the only reason I do is to play league of legends ARAM with friends once every blue moon

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most of the setup has the "it just works" vibe going for it and it's very forward looking in terms of its approach (pure wayland, no x11, first class vrr support etc) and if you want to do anything at all, it's just an arch system at the end of the day

proven needle
#

I do gottansay that cachy os has been great for me, and things do just work.
Outside of the noise cancelling issues I had

zinc wing
#

immutable = can't touch the system to prevent breakage

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fedora is known for its stability

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since its immutable it updates like windows too with backups

opaque snow
#

I'm not sure I would enjoy an immutable distro - i have some experience with NixOS and it does have some immutability, not sure I would like that without the Nix ecosystem to adjust everything on my own.

sly pollen
#

Mutability is needed. It's why I was thinking Pop!_OS ultimately.

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But I appreciate all the advice people have offered up over the past week. Going to cobble pop on my laptop and see what happens and see how I feel about it on there..

opaque snow
#

I haven't messed with much from System76. I did throw Cosmic on a VM a year or so ago when it hit beta. Of course other than Linus's unfortunate history with Pop. Seen/heard a bit of his troubles there. Also if you need more software availability, look into installing the Nix package manager alongside apt. not sure of the particulars but on Arch it just works... have been warned not to replace any system packages with Nix packages which makes a lot of sense tbh

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Cosmic back then was rough. I have heard mixed things recently.

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Niri and Noctalia are wonderful though πŸ˜„ - but I don't care for it with multi-monitor.

zinc wing
#

i guess pop os as long as you pick kde and not cinammon

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can also just wait the steam os desktop version since you mentioned it above

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although im not sure it will support nvidia ootb

opaque snow
#

I love GE for all the work he (and of course the nobara team) does but I wouldn't necessarily recommend Nobara anymore as it's a hobby distro. I had several issues when I used it a few years ago. If you are really set on Fedora that's fine, it's a good ecosystem. but I would just use main-line then. But of course you can probably tell my beloved without much effort ^^

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And Fedora doesn't support Nvidia out of the box? or did you mean SteamOS? i feel like they both would... I mean even Arch doesn't need fiddling with pacman hooks and kernel params anymore you just install it like any other package.

elfin furnace
#

I did have to set env vars to get DLSS working, that's about the only gaming related thing I have really had to tinker with

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I used hyprland for a tiny bit and while it's great, I much prefer cosmic's hybrid approach, it has literally everything I want out of a tiling WM (tiling, workspaces, sane default keybinds) but doesn't force you to be kb only

zinc wing
#

steam deck is amd based

shell elm
shell elm
#

nvidia-reflex like low latency for any GPU

ebon glacier
opaque snow
zinc wing
#

steam machine is also amd so

outer pagoda
#

bla

outer pagoda
#

steam os i imagine will have different flavours and a set of preinstall isos like bazzite has

shell elm
#

never mind

zinc wing
#

which i would hope so

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but there's also the possibility they just focus on amd because that's their hardware

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more support = more labour that they could've spent somewhere else

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imagine people complaining about their nvidia on steam os when its not even a steam machine for sure

elfin furnace
#

tbf game devs and nvidia's hand being forced in terms of stable development target is a blessing in disguise from steam devices

opaque snow
safe loom
elfin furnace
#

obviously yeah

safe loom
#

Steam os won’t be mainstream alternative to windows it’ll just be among gamers

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People who’s sole purpose is only to game all day

elfin furnace
#

steamdeck/steammachine as a benchmark for game devs will force devs to optimise for it else they will lose out on sales, I don't think that's a controversial statement at all

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that's my point

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also, it kind of already is a main stream alternative

safe loom
#

Nvidia won’t do shit they are already making billions

elfin furnace
#

nvidia will be forced to put more effort into linux support

safe loom
#

Linux support likely not specifically Steam os

elfin furnace
#

they've already gotten a decent bit better over the last few years, more market share means more effort

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steamos is linux man lol

safe loom
#

Steam os might indirectly benefits from overall Linux support which is still β€œ if & maybe β€œ

elfin furnace
#

i dont think you know what you're talking about

safe loom
#

Sure

elfin furnace
#

anyway, done for now

fair dragon
#

when i was on nvidia i was getting driver updates near every 2 weeks

safe loom
fair dragon
#

taken care of by valve

safe loom
#

I’ll believe it when I see it

sly pollen
#

Wound up giving cachy a try as recommended by Fuze. I broke it πŸ˜„ couldn't get my 2nd monitor to display anything on wayland without a power cycle for some reason and digging into it wound up really breaking it. I'll try again this weekend lol

torn cloak
woven crescent
#

At least they are aware of the dx12 proton performance regression and are at least allocating some resources to investigate

proven needle
patent fern
#

Best thing about Linux is that you get to keep all the pieces when you break it.

distant pecan
#

What are you guys using for price checker on both games? I've been going crazy trying to get Exiled Exchange or Sidekick to work for PoE2. Both have appimages but neither work properly. Tried all the suggested launch arguments, tried the AUR version of EE. Nothing works. I'm on CachyOS

woven crescent
distant pecan
#

Ahh switching to GE-Proton and using PROTON_USE_WAYLAND=0 %command% seems to have fixed it for the most part, stash tab scrolling still doesn't work

elfin furnace
distant pecan
#

Yeah I'm def gonna try the new in game price checking but i dont have high hopes because it's kinda clunky. takes up your whole screen, not as fast, etc

elfin furnace
#

if you really want to use exiled exchange or awakened poe trade, they have a HTML server mode where you can paste an item text into the browser

#

it's painful on wayland though I agree, blame the wayland spec for its silly security model

distant pecan
#

if EE keeps messing up that will be my only choice, happy we'll at least have that

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yeah it's so random. the only thing that's really frustrating me about linux so far is this. everything else is great

safe loom
patent fern
#

Wayland is a mystery to me, I grew up in an era where you had X11R6 and manual X configuration files, way before the newfangled X.org fork.

fading topaz
#

Unlike X11, which nearly all implementations use X.org, Wayland has several different implementations of it. They generally fall into 4 buckets: Gnome/Mutter, KDE/KWin, wlroots-based ones, and others

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I've been running niri as of late, which implements its own. Apart from needing to write the config for my two monitors in a file, it's worked surprisingly smoothly

strong kraken
#

wayland is fine in principle, but the governance means that they take forever to add anything good to the spec

opaque snow
sly pollen
#

Tried cosmic but its nav bar completely freezes the system.

opaque snow
# sly pollen Limeline.

never heard of that one. i'm using plasma on my gaming tower. Niri+Noctalia shell on the thinkpad.

sly pollen
opaque snow
ebon glacier
ebon glacier
ebon glacier
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hyperland cleastia shell

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i need to get a better gpu later to drive my 4 displays

opaque snow
#

i've used Hyprland. not a fan.

ebon glacier
#

makes it so hyperland ant a pile of shit

#

Caelestia Shell

fair dragon
ebon glacier
fair dragon
#

lets use our big kid words

ebon glacier
fair dragon
#

and calm down

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fish better

ebon glacier
#

alright the idoit is blocked back to what i was trying to talk about

fair dragon
#

oh thats SO COLD

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OH MY GOSH

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MARRY ME

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PLEASE

opaque snow
# safe loom Steam os won’t be mainstream alternative to windows it’ll just be among gamers

i disagree with this and something you said below -- Nvidia have already been supporting Linux better the last few years, and SteamOS will absolutely be an alternative to windows for gaming, which of the consumer market is one of the largest user bases, and one with proven expendable income, at least enough to maintain a hobby with hardware good enough to play free games. So, I'm not sure how far behind you are on the times but it's not all that hard to push Nvidia drivers to a distro which is based around one which already has it supported natively.

safe loom
#

Idk if u read it right but I said the same thing quoting it’ll be only among the gamers

opaque snow
#

but also: Nvidia support is essentially a given and lately it's been quite good.

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i mean I'm not going to use SteamOS I can already do everything I want. MAYBE if there's some anti-cheat support that the rest of Linux doesn't get, then maybe that would be a reason but I don't really see the need to jump back into a corporate-controlled ecosystem, even if I actually kinda appreciate most of what that company does.

safe loom
#

I think people have unrealistic expectations from Steam os that they keep forgetting it’s a gaming console focused OS

Or people who used bazzitte thinks that it’s 1:1 what Steam os going to be so they have even more expectations from it

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Steam os will hurt Sony and Xbox more than windows overall that’s my opinion

ebon glacier
#

every console and phone is just a computer its the firmware that locks it from running other software

safe loom
#

And every other windows handheld devices forgot to add this

opaque snow
#

I do agree that people sometimes let their optimism get in the way of realistic expectations, but I think that's kinda a silly take. I don't see people from Playstation or Xbox being drawn in by the Steam Machine or steam OS. it will pull people who are already in the Steam ecosystem.

ebon glacier
#

like if you made a custom bios for the playstation 5 or 4 or 3 or the xbox consoles it will be able to run linux and windows

opaque snow
#

some, yes, and especially if it does well, people will be drawn in by the buzz escaping the PC gaming sphere, but it'll definitely hurt windows more than Xb/PS

ebon glacier
#

anything that runs software and that needs ICS to work is a computer the only difference being that it's proprietary hardware end of discussion

opaque snow
#

if i write code on a piece of paper does that count?

ebon glacier
opaque snow
#

a computer is just a rock that does math, why not a tree? chaosthinking

ebon glacier
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mean a rock that was turned into ICS

opaque snow
ebon glacier
#

i got big charts for this stuff i work on eletronics all the time

opaque snow
#

can you make them dark mode friendly?

ebon glacier
opaque snow
patent fern
ebon glacier
opaque snow
#

that was a good one ngl

ebon glacier
fair dragon
safe loom
#

Yes and?

sharp verge
#

is there a ahk alternative for wayland + kde

stable chasm
#

anyone else having devastating lag spikes while playing poe1? I recently started having issues, so I updated graphics card (Nvidia), and was good for awhile and then steam says it needs to update and everything goes to shit again...

I'm using Ubuntu

proven needle
opaque snow
ebon glacier
sharp verge
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im on kde i dun wanna use hyprland

opaque snow
sharp verge
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ahk? blink

opaque snow
#

you mean creating some kind of input macro

ebon glacier
#

rn i like hyperland
Caelestia Shell

opaque snow
#

they not talking about DE/WM

opaque snow
# sharp verge ahk? blink

if you intend to use it to make an input macro for poe, i would think again. That's TOS. otherwise im sure you could write a script yourself. probably easy enough to vibe code these days lol.

proven needle
#

In any case, I'm quite happy with how linux is doing.
It's the first time WHere I really don't have any issues or annoyances using it, especially now that discord runs okay.
And game eprformance seems to get better every few months too

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also linux doesn't throw AI into my face every time I update

opaque snow
proven needle
#

But game streaming works now, as does audio.
WHich were my biggest issues

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And Cachy is really nice to use too

opaque snow
#

the flatpak has always been ok for me. game streaming was definitely annoying that's true. and still is kinda

proven needle
#

Honestly, the biggest reason I'll stay this time is that Microsoft annoyed me away

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I don't want to have to use scripts and debloters every time theres a bigger windows update

opaque snow
#

lol i just outright prefer it these days. only thing i miss is Tarkov. that's really it.

proven needle
#

And stuff like trying to make it harder and harder to use offline accounts

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Yeah, I kinda miss league and fortnite πŸ˜‚

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Fortnite festival is a good guitar hero/rock band

opaque snow
#

quit league years ago. never played fortnite. But there were a few titles with AC i've given up. only one I miss.

proven needle
#

Honestly, fortnite doesn't even have kernel level anticheat, and I know that they could get it to work on linux easily enough

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I just wanna play a guitar hero game with my friends tbh

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especially now that they added singing

opaque snow
#

i feel like a rhythm game would be a shoe-in for being a good cross-platform party game

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GGG get on it

proven needle
#

Clone hero does ahve private multiplayer servers tbf

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And my hosting provider even has it as an option

sharp verge
proven needle
#

The epic games dude is just an ass about it, first he said he'd add linux support if the steamdeck brought a million people or so , and then he changed it to 10 million, basically

sharp verge
#

sparing us from fortnite, what a kind soul

sharp verge
#

they have 2

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eac and battleye

#

both support linux

proven needle
#

But they're not kernel klevel, are they?

sharp verge
#

they are

opaque snow
sharp verge
#

99% of mp games with an ac are kernel level tbh

#

exceptions are vac games, overwatch

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and mmos ig

proven needle
#

ANd helldivers I guess, cause the EAC there works on linux, which doesn't support kernel level anticheat as far as I am aware?

sharp verge
#

no its kernel level, just not on linux

#

linux has a seperate eac thing, same for battleye

proven needle
#

Kernel level antiocheat is stupid anyways

sharp verge
#

but developers have to enable it

#

its not

opaque snow
#

it definitely is.

sharp verge
#

it is not 😭

proven needle
#

It's both a security risk, and annoying

sharp verge
#

also wrong tbh

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not on the annoying part, when it comes to linux

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its the smart thing to do for windows

#

sadly profit wise linux just isnt there yet for most acs to actually care about it, while they support it i guess a few game studios developers dont feel confident enough in enabling it

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that being rust, fortnite, tarkov (thats not confidence just incompetence they dont even know their own ac is kernel), gta online

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and idk what else

#

battlefield/ea and cod have their own (bad) anticheat thats windows exclusive, so does valorant/league that probably wont ever get linux support atleast not in the near future

safe loom
sharp verge
#

and that would also already require you to have malware on your pc

safe loom
#

Whenever Tim buys a game the next move he does is cutting off it wings

safe loom
sharp verge
#

apparently chinese games have their own ac mostly and theres like 3 or so in total

safe loom
#

True

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You can also take example of the finals and arc raiders though they’re Korean

opaque snow
#

i wouldn't doubt that

sharp verge
#
  • own
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also they are swedish

safe loom
#

Apex also use EAC right? And they intentionally block the access citing hacking reasons lol

sharp verge
#

apex uses eac, was on linux, too many cheaters = no more linux

opaque snow
#

and i'll bet they still have a huge cheater problem

sharp verge
#

duh

#

tbf the linux side was probably alot weaker

safe loom
#

Apex had account boosting stuffs

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People lvl up and sell it

#

They just spawn bots and farm it

sharp verge
#

any ahk alternative on kde with wayland πŸ₯Ί

sharp verge
safe loom
#

Otherwise if I was a cheat developer I would make it for windows not Linux

#

Guy who’s buying cheat just want an easy plug and play shit

sharp verge
#

well yeah they arent exactly smart

safe loom
#

No one’s switching os just to cheat on a game unless you’re an account booster

ebon glacier
opaque snow
#

i want it done quickly thanks. and flatpak is sandboxed and i have control of that with flatseal. good enough.

safe loom
#

repo packages pls

opaque snow
#

repo packages are my default for sure. AUR if i gotta and it's trusted/popularly downloaded... flatpak for shit like discord where i want easy sandboxing that isn't annoying to configure.

safe loom
#

I do rpm fusion or copr there’s also terra repo which is said to be AUR of fedora but I haven’t used it yet

sharp verge
languid moat
#

Does anyone else have random network spikes while using fedora? I thought it was my internet until i started playing on my playstation and didnt experience it at all. I see the pinned message about FPS drops, thats not it. I have steam overlay enabled and my game is specifically displaying network spikes.

ebon glacier
patent fern
#

Might be worth looking at whether your connectivity in general is sound at the time when it manifests.
As the measurement is in-game and based on game traffic, it might also be a sign of game-specific networking aspects or influenced by client/server logic or frame pacing.

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It's some sort of hybrid lockstep after all.

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And of course - the usual things: firewall processing, wired/wireless connectivity, wonky NICs with quirks, VPNs, marginal cabling.

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Probably not DNS, but you never know πŸ˜‰

safe loom
languid moat
#

Thanks for the answers guys im trying to reinstall the network drivers right now

#

Not the most techy person but I think I figured it out

marble thicket
#

How far apart are the spikes, seconds or minutes, and are you on wifi and does your wifi use the same ssid for different bands (like 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz). If minutes, then I had a problem with spikes due to periodic reconnecting and switching from one band to the other. Different ssids for each band fixed it for me.

languid moat
languid moat
#

Figured out a work around. Just plugging in an ethernet

plucky junco
safe loom
#

You’ll get a clear picture why it’s happening

plucky junco
#

you can reply to me with a real sentence if you disagree, I don't respect the ❌ reacts lol

#

to clarify: it's totally fine to run wireshark in passive/read-only mode in most cases, but that needs to be specified in situations like this

#

but simply telling someone who self-identifies as "not the most techy person" to just "use wireshark" is an awful idea

outer pagoda
#

i can only think of one instance where people were banned for something akin to wireshark in poe and that was when people were reading VRAM to see if they had pantheon touched mobs in their map in 3.19

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well, that particular case was more of a public execution and i imagine they're typically more quiet about it

#

which also would have just told you that wifi is shit

plucky junco
plucky junco
ebon glacier
#

whats going on in here

ebon glacier
#

thats supports those fetures

#

wire shark useless

#

i got those tools built into my network routers and switches ubnt best company

#

what i have

ebon glacier
#

im glad i dont play those types of games anymore im fine with anti cheats i dont need them scraping my network

fossil frost
#

I've been getting persistent crashes, Debian with Flatpak.
Under XWayland or Wayland, Proton version didn't matter, though GE was the most stable.
For people on Debian or perhaps other distros encountering similar issues - the culprit was Steam's libgpg-error.so.0 library/symlink in ubuntu12_32 folder for Steam.
Found it after debugging with Proton log, there's also a note on this on Debian wiki. I backed up and deleted both i386 and amd64 versions of it, letting Steam default to system default for these.
Absolutely 0 crashes since.

short aurora
#

first

weary nest
#

linux is poop

crimson gyro
pulsar aspen
#

?

weary nest
urban egret
#

2020 the year of gaming on linux

weary nest
#

all the homeless linuxians

lapis mist
random vale
#

yay

quartz marsh
#

Eat my ass windows

urban egret
#

i use arch btw

dim iron
#

df -h

#

why isnt it working

dire rampart
#

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

quartz marsh
#

I am blocking you. Thanks.

#

Fucking nerd.

visual marsh
bleak epoch
#

thought it was bot

dire rampart
#

lmao thanks multi

urban egret
#

install gentoo

bleak epoch
#

no need to be an asshole dude

dim iron
#

htop

random vale
#

nah, just a very old and unfunny by now copypasta

quartz marsh
#

^

patent bronze
#

poggers

urban egret
#

stallman jokes are always funny take it back

weary nest
#

alright guys, let the nerds make themselves comfortable

random vale
#

not even Stallman himself is that pedantic this century now...

dire rampart
#

I have this server on notify with most channels muted so I was getting buzzed when the channel got added

urban egret
#

same

dire rampart
#

so I had to drop in a shitpost before muting

urban egret
#

just passing some time in queue

dire rampart
#

on the real tho, real happy for yall having a native client, that's awesome

quartz marsh
#

Anyways

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Yes.

patent fern
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I can't believe that Hatsune Miku made GNU.

obtuse veldt
frank condor
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linux masterrace channel pog

quartz marsh
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Not particurarly. What are you using it for?

rough narwhal
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Lol plebs

quartz marsh
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I use QEMU for all of my virtualization needs.

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I cannot find the intel-mesa drivers google page for the life of me

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months ago

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I don't think so

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Found the packages

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I remember the issue I was having with pobfork now

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I think it used python 2.7 packages which are deprecated

knotty cedar
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Am I getting memed or are we getting official Linux support?

quartz marsh
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memed, but people were having proton issues

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so this channel is for that

knotty cedar
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Ah :/ I always had issues in late game with FPS on linux, it didn't handle HH gameplay very well. Guess the new Vulkan and particle thing could fix that tho.

random vale
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would i need vulkan-mesa-layer?

quartz marsh
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It improved it by an order of magnitude in terms of stutters

random vale
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just moving to linux gave me a boost in POE lol

quartz marsh
random vale
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well, already have those installed

frank condor
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i used dxvk before with async shader loading patch to solve the stutter

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helped a ton

quartz marsh
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that made me crash every 5 minutes

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unplayable

patent bronze
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do y'all use a vm or compatibility layer to run poe? react πŸ‡» for vm or πŸ‡¨ for compatibility layer

weary nest
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Protip: You can shift-click the reactions to keep the menu open

patent bronze
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^

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I used the trick, I'm just slow ;)

weary nest
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ah

frank condor
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i just used a bit customized lutris setup on wine before. nowadays i just moved to geforce now tho (still praying for geforce now support on linux)

weary nest
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aren't most linux users slow+

hexed pivot
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is there any not shit setup for nvidia support on lunix

patent bronze
#

the letters weren't in order so I had a hard time finding them

hexed pivot
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xfce compositor just can't deal with whatever the nvidia nonfree driver is doing

frank condor
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i managed to actually run geforce now on linux but then it refuses to connect to server when starting the game, so close yet so far

mortal hawk
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A native linux client would be great

quartz marsh
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@random vale my package list relation to mesa ```libegl-mesa0
libegl1-mesa
libgl1-mesa-dev
libgl1-mesa-dri
libgl1-mesa-glx
libglapi-mesa
libgles2-mesa-dev
libglu1-mesa-dev
libglu1-mesa
libglx-mesa0
libosmesa6
mesa-common-dev
mesa-utils
mesa-va-drivers
mesa-vdpau-drivers

random vale
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are you on Nvidia or AMD though? I'm on an Nvidia card, am not sure whether all those mesa packages are appropriate to my system

quartz marsh
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Nvidia

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gtx970

random vale
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Tohrik, not sure i have those installed

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what's the terminal command to list those off? pacman -Qs gave me a lot of stuff to trawl lol

quartz marsh
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I'm not sure about pacman I use apt and piping

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try doing pacman -Qs | grep "mesa"

random vale
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anyway. vulkaninfo | less gives ERROR at /build/vulkan-tools/src/Vulkan-Tools-1.2.140/vulkaninfo/vulkaninfo.h:240:vkEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties failed with ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED

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pacman -Qs | grep "mesa" output:

local/lib32-mesa 20.0.7-3
local/lib32-mesa-demos 8.4.0-2
local/mesa 20.0.7-3
local/mesa-demos 8.4.0-4
local/vulkan-mesa-layer 20.0.7-3```
quartz marsh
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PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 %command% did you try that launch option? not sure if I listed that

random vale
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searching for installed packages with "vulkan" gives

local/lib32-mesa 20.0.7-3
local/lib32-mesa-demos 8.4.0-2
local/mesa 20.0.7-3
local/mesa-demos 8.4.0-4
local/vulkan-mesa-layer 20.0.7-3```
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and no, you didn't, I'll try that

quartz marsh
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the launching issue

random vale
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Oh ffs

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Tohrik, that launch option did it

quartz marsh
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lmao

random vale
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I'm in

quartz marsh
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protondb is your friend

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ctrl+f crash

random vale
#

the irony is that I somehow forgot that freaking line

quartz marsh
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Noice

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welcome to linux

random vale
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Because I think I used that the last time I played

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It's now 4AM

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I am going to crash into bed

quartz marsh
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4am? where

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gn

random vale
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I'm UTC+8

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Playing on Singapore servers

quartz marsh
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33998 lol

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it still says the servers are not online

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why did I do that

random vale
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I'm at 56771 lol

quartz marsh
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at least its going down now

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lol?

random vale
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do I dare swap to Vulkan rendering?

quartz marsh
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good question

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for me it improved frame stutters

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add me in game btw

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same user

random vale
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will do

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I just tried swaping to Vulkan and some kinda error message popped up ina window too tiny to read, bah

quartz marsh
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utc -8 unfortunately

random vale
#

it then went straight back to DX11

quartz marsh
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man, if I didn't get impation I could be 20000 ahead right now

random vale
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ooh. VK createInstanceUnique:ErrorInitializationFailed

quartz marsh
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ooo

random vale
#

so yeah, Vulkan is... not working for me

quartz marsh
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apparently the error is either related to "uncompatible devices" or some package/driver

random vale
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I'm running an Nvidia GTX960

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fairly sure that's compatible

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so something else is blocking

quartz marsh
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read the bottom bit

random vale
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hmm

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nvidia drivers are definitely installed though

weary nest
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@hardy blade yw

random vale
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and I've disabled my onboard graphics card so the only GPU that should be of any concern is the nvidia one

quartz marsh
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well, you could always try reinstalling your packages

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ala turn it off and on again

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what do you mean by trashing

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yeah basically, might have to use a couple of launch options though

random vale
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@quartz marsh did that earlier, so am puzzled why Vulkan doesn't seem to be working

quartz marsh
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Check if you have vulkan-intel installed, it may prevent Nvidia's vulkan driver from being detected.

Alternatively set the environment variable VK_ICD_FILENAMES to /usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/nvidia_icd.json.```
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try that?

random vale
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I'm looking at Lutris and there's an option in there that looks like it does that

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Gonna try it after I get some sleep

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Thanks for all the help! See you in game later assuming the queue isn't ridiculous still when I get up

iron charm
#

look at this guy, doesn't even know how to optimally krangle his cursed envirosuit

quartz marsh
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@hardy blade constant? I dip between 150 and 75? What are your launch options?

mild urchin
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where to get linux client?

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what does that mean

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there is a new linux client or no?

mild urchin
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@hardy blade you can run the stand alone client from the steam folder and use steams winprefix in /compatdata/

quartz marsh
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nope

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got a chaos, not a single orb of chance so far in a3 though

quartz marsh
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I have a 4l helm but not body armour which is what I need

valid pawn
#

Are you guys getting instant crashes when trying to enter act 2?

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Hmmm... haven't tried using the standalone + wine yet.
Been using Steam w/ Proton

quartz marsh
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nope no crashes using steam proton

valid pawn
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What launch options are you using?

valid pawn
#

Figured out what the issue was. Had a bunch of old launch options from previous leagues. All good now.

quartz marsh
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Nice, glad you figured it out.

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I might write a comprehensive guide on how to get POE working on Linux using proton

magic marsh
#

i know its not linux related but i just upgraded my Nvidia drivers for vulkan like GGG suggested and now my windows key menu isn't opening, not even if i manually click on it , does anyone know any solutions ?

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windows 10 btw

mild urchin
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u could post this in the other channels where people who use windows might be 😹

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have u restarted? and u updated to latest drivers from geforce experience/manually?

magic marsh
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@mild urchin sorry, saw the title and was like "this must be the IT support channel"

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i fixed it btw

random vale
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@quartz marsh btw sent you a friend request-- my current toon is "Istandartha"

quartz marsh
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I added you @random vale

cyan crane
#

wait.. is there a client native for linux now?

quartz marsh
#

No.

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This channel is for Proton related questions

cyan crane
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should have named it proton then

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linux client indicates there is a native linux client, not a render

random vale
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@trim path Still can't get Vulkan working, but the wait for preload and gc2 arguments seem to have smoothed things out more than the last time I played

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Textures also behaving oddly but I suspect that's the gc settings. What I'm puzzled about now is why there seems to be this odd.... Blurriness, like there's mist in every scene

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Sadly troubleshooting is going to have to wait until I have working internet access again, it suddenly went out tonight

ashen ore
#

I'm currently running the game via Proton w/ the Vulkan renderer enabled, works all right aside from some occasional lag spikes

sonic plover
#

am I the only one getting triggered over invisible enemies

sonic plover
#

YEP

iron charm
#

that isn't just a linux issue -- it's happening on win dx11 as well

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the enemies I remember seeing issues on were all in A2 -- some of the rock golems were all black, and some of the bears in the caverns were completely invisible except for their auras

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"now you know how the monsters felt about that old phase run + dual ichimonji build"

random vale
#

For me it's when I'm using or seeing some new monster or attack. All I get are colorful squares and polygons until it all loads up properly

flint gust
#

Hold up is it actually coming to Linux?

unreal tundra
#

Native, likely not.

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But this is Linux we’re talking about, it doesn’t have to be native to be basically native because community is stubborn as hell

formal plinth
#

Yeah, Proton is pretty impressive (and easy to use)

mild urchin
#

with vulkan it runs as smooth as windows for me

quartz marsh
#

vulkan actually runs better than windows for me

ashen ore
#

is anyone experiencing occasional crashes specifically when travelling between areas?

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ive had this happen 3 times since asking. clearly the game is trying to spite me

ashen ore
#

going off of the forums it seems like this might not be a linux-specific thing

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or even necessarily vulkan, not sure

mild urchin
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it stops stuttering after caching the shaders

ashen ore
#

I'm getting vk::Device::createSwapchainKHRUnique: ErrorUnknown when trying to launch the game

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πŸ˜”

mild urchin
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is ur vulkan and drivers up to date

ashen ore
#

yeah, (and) i have mesa and vulkan-radeon

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i'm going to test if i can use dota 2 w/ vulkan to see if it's specific to poe

ashen ore
#

seems like dota fails to initialize with vulkan as well

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not sure what the issue is

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πŸ€”

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oh, apparently vulkan-radeon was slightly out of date? couldn't be more than a day or two though :thonk:
good call resident

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it's back to not working ;-;

#

very strange

#

ah I see

#

it seems that for some reason the amdvlk driver is not working well with poe right now

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if I force it to use the mesa's vulkan-radeon it seems to work

#

lots of artifacting though...

ashen ore
#

nice, the development version of mesa seems to fix the artifacting! πŸ˜„

mild urchin
#

theres an mtx that does that i believe

ashen ore
#

@hardy blade that's what I've been hearing for everyone, but AMDVLK doesn't even work for me

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mesa's RADV works, but there's a lot of artifacts

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thankfully the dev branch of mesa works almost flawlessly, so I've been able to use RADV

indigo vine
#

Are there any POE trade macros that run on Linux?

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I am a newbie that does not know what costs what and could easily vendor the good item, so I need this helo

quartz marsh
#

so I was fiddiling with vulkan due to initialization errors ("/build/vulkan-tools-hnEIMm/vulkan-tools-1.1.126.0+dfsg1/vulkaninfo/vulkaninfo.h:399: failed with ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED") and in the process of reinstalling nvidia drivers managed to completely bork my drivers.

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getting working trade macros didn't work for me in gnome, even with native overlays. They worked halfway at best.

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so this will be a fresh install on Xubuntu 20.04 LTS

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either that or the new nvidia drivers are fucked

quasi lily
#

Anyone has this feeling? I played with vulkan since beginning of the league till now, when its heavy load with a lot of monster, fps dropped ofc but its sluttering (lagging). So I decided to get back to dxvk asnyc to check it out, the graphic load seem slower, fps dropped a bit but its just less slutter. Anyone feel that too? (RADV for dxvk and AMDVLK for vulkan), archs + lutris.

quartz marsh
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It's less FPS, but no stutter. I will gladly make that tradeoff from DX9 to Vulkan.

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As for shader's loading, that's always been an issue for me using windows or Proton

modest flint
#

how do you remove poison crafts with harvest?

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can you?

young coyote
#

hey folks did vulkan renderer make it easy for linux folk to run this game?

#

does anyone have any success story on manjaro

formal plinth
#

don't know about vulkan, but it's been super easy getting set up on arch

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literally just installed steam, nvidia drivers and mesa, enabled steam play in steam settings and off we go

ebon prism
#

You don't need mesa for Linux, Use the Nvidia API mesa will play havic on the sytem

formal plinth
#

I see, well I installed it when following the Steam install guide on Arch wiki. I'm not sure if it helped anything but it didnt cause any issues as far as I know

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Also seems like it's required by a bunch of things like gtk3, so I can't really uninstall it

safe solstice
#

@young coyote I just installed PoE through Lutris in Manjaro today for the first time
Using nvidia proprietary drivers and dx11 in the game settings.
Vulkan stutters a lot for me plus it crashes when i alt tab

ebon prism
#

I've just been using wine to install on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS with both AMD and Nvidia without the rest of the helpers except for winetricks but only after they released the vulkan renderer. That by itself pretty much solved the issues getting it to run in the first place.

worn parcel
#

Linux client?! Did we actually get a linux runtime or is this channel about proton ? πŸ˜›

mild urchin
#

just wine

worn parcel
#

ah damn. ohwell maybe in poe2 then

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sadly the performance aint quite what it is in windows even tho it got alot better with vulkan. the dxvk microstutter is gone atleast

safe solstice
#

Which tool do you guys use to check prices? AHK wont run in linux right?

primal cedar
safe solstice
#

I will try them all soon, thank you wofferl, much appreciated!

primal cedar
safe solstice
#

damn none of these work for me.
Xenon starts alright, shows it fetched the prices for harvest but it does nothing ig. No overlay or anything.
The rest show this output

18:38:20.529 β€Ί App starting...
18:38:20.534 β€Ί App args []
18:38:22.267 β€Ί Checking for update
18:38:23.626 β€Ί Update for version 0.7.1 is not available (latest version: 0.7.1, downgrade is disallowed).

[panic@ack Downloads]$ ./Awakened-PoE-Trade-2.2.0.AppImage 
(node:719601) ProtocolDeprecateCallback: The callback argument of protocol module APIs is no longer needed.
(node:719601) ProtocolDeprecateCallback: The callback argument of protocol module APIs is no longer needed.
hook_thread_proc [101]: Could not set thread priority 49 for thread 0x7FBF9B4D7700!```
primal cedar
#

Which window manager do you use and whats your Path of Exile settings (DX11/Vulkan/fullscreen, etc)? Any errors in ~/.config/XenonTrade/log.log? For Xenontrade you may install wmctrl that i can interact with the Path of Exile window.

safe solstice
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I did install wmctrl already!
i3wm, dx11, fullscreen window.
Poe installed through lutris script and i have also enabled the virtual desktop in lutris

primal cedar
#

virtual desktop can be a problem with these overlay tools

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And the other two didn't show anything if you press ctrl+d?

safe solstice
#

Xenon log||```[panic@ack Downloads]$ cat ~/.config/XenonTrade/log.log
[01/07/2020 18:24:37] [warn] Failed updating poe.ninja prices, Error: The data from the requested Currency API (League: Delve) could not be processed because the format is invalid or the response is empty. Possible reasons: 1) Invalid league name, 2) poe.ninja is down, 3) poe.ninja changed their API structure
[01/07/2020 18:25:30] [warn] Failed updating poe.ninja prices, Error: The data from the requested Fragment API (League: Delve) could not be processed because the format is invalid or the response is empty. Possible reasons: 1) Invalid league name, 2) poe.ninja is down, 3) poe.ninja changed their API structure
[01/07/2020 18:25:34] [warn] Failed updating poe.ninja prices, Error: The data from the requested Currency API (League: Delve) could not be processed because the format is invalid or the response is empty. Possible reasons: 1) Invalid league name, 2) poe.ninja is down, 3) poe.ninja changed their API structure

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nope, no overlays at all

#

sec

#

These paragraphs were sent to me by a friend and are in relation to FFXIV mods


If your overlay is not visible when the game has focus, your windowing manager may need to be manually instructed to keep the overlay above the game window (or vice versa). For KDE Plasma, this can be done by right-clicking the activity on the menubar, hover on β€œMore Actions”, and enable β€œKeep Below Others”. This also makes it possible to see the overlay in-game when running it in borderless windowed.

Extras
Any plugins that have a transparent background (overlay plugins etc) will cause serious performance problems due to the way the rendering of the transparency works (it has to be rendered entirely on the CPU). We're currently investigating potential linux-specific fixes for this using web sockets (check out my fork of hudkit), for now be aware that having an overlay displayed may cause framerate hitches randomly, especially when the overlay changes in a significant fashion.```
Just leaving this here for any1 else going through the same in poe, i3wm and virtual desktop
primal cedar
#

Maybe you can try windowed mode to check if one of the tools show anything.

safe solstice
#

Yea i just disabled the virtual desktop and gonna test all of them now

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If that fails i ll have to see how to instruct i3wm to keep the overlays above the game

#

Also the order in which i start them it does not matter right?

primal cedar
#

I think not. For Xenontrade the titlebar should always stay in the front.

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If you press ctrl+c the price check should pop up down the bar

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When using the awakened poe trade you can press shift+space for testing, this should show a full overlay window where you can place some widgets

safe solstice
#

With disabled virtual desktop, Awakened poe trade turns the whole game black untill i close it.
I get some errors that it is not able to register alt+w because it is used by another program (i3wm in this case)
Xenontrade runs perfectly now
Poe overlay still not works

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Since xenontrade works, i am perfectly happy for now! Just need to know what to vendor and what not

#

Thanks a lot for your time wofferl!

primal cedar
#

The blackscreen seems a bug/problem with windows compositing, you have to enable it to get rid of the black screen

safe solstice
#

I think it is enabled but i ll have to recheck it tomorrow morning.
In one instanced it showed a grey overlay screen with a movable "widjet?" but it was almost unresponsive.Drop down menus did not work etc and it was very clunky/stuttery so i just closed it and went back to xenon

primal cedar
#

because the composting problem I also went back to xenon and for me it is ok for just checking if a rare is valuable or not, thats all I need

quasi lily
safe solstice
#

Anyone compiled recently acquisition in linux? ```fatal error: boost/algorithm/string/case_conv.hpp: No such file or directory

mild urchin
#

u have boost headers installed?

safe solstice
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let me check

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nope i didnt, that fixed it! Thank you @mild urchin

stiff pumice
stiff pumice
#

hey

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does PoE function properly in linux yet?

#

i played it the last few leagues under linux but it used to have FPS issues which i do not face when running the game in windows

#

i mean, with the introduction of Vulkan, perhaps it was fixed?

mild urchin
#

if u mean stutters when new assets are loaded, that hasn't been an issue for me

#

vulkan helps too

dawn smelt
#

I am getting so close to getting things working. Missing mini-map and weird textures around various NPC's, but it's smooth. Vulkan + AMD 5700 xt here on Ubuntu 20.04 with Proton-5.11-GE-2-MF + custom launch options in steam.. Any suggestions?

I'll try more tonight.. but still not fully playable due to various texture artifacts in towns + maps. 😦 Perhaps I took a bad approach.

Gif attached.

πŸ“Ž Peek_2020-07-03_14-22.gif
safe solstice
#

I used lutris script to install the game.
It run out of the box.
Dx11 in game settings.
Game runs fine for me, no stutters or anything

thorny ingot
#

poe official linux client ETA poe 2?

mild urchin
#

none as far as i know

wicked arch
#

I have a feeling they will release Mac and Linux clients at the same time

iron charm
#

and which, hopefully, is supported better than dota2 is on linux

wide quail
#

idk honestly dota isnt terrible for me

#

no performance issues to speak of anyway

mild urchin
#

same, but i i play on lowest settings by default, so i don't know if theres an fps loss

wide quail
#

I play with a 6 year old GPU on medium to high settings with no issue

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much newer processor, but still

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POE on the other hand...

#

actually curious though, have other linux people been having more luck with Vulkan or DX11?

safe solstice
#

Gtx 660, 16g ram, i5 4690, manjaro
Full-screen window and dx11 performs better than vulkan in which i occasionaly get stutters. Mostly when large packs spawn or when there are many spells etc in the screen.
Game has a habbit of running at lower resolutions maybe because i always have open XenonTrade the linux equivalent of trade macro.
Funny enough, poe runs better in windows for me lol. Meaning that the resolution does not dynamicaly change to something lower

mild urchin
#

vulkan runs better for me

#

but i'm playing earthshatter and the pops make me drop frames really bad

quasi lily
#

@safe solstice dx11 with dxvk async or normal one? I facking slutter problem with vulkan when heavy spell spread out

safe solstice
#

Without async

quasi lily
#

hmm I'll tried it out, its very lag to me since last time (rx580)

safe solstice
#

Besides using a native to the screen resolution, disabling vsync, disabling fore/background fps caps and lowering the target framerate to 30 or 40 i dont think i had messed with anything else

quasi lily
#

wait, native screen resolution mean ?

safe solstice
#

I might be spewing bullshit but i am under the impression that if games are run to resolutions native to the screen perform better. Like 1680x1050 runs games better than 1400x900

quasi lily
#

oh ok, ill also trying tweaking around

#

may I ask if u play steam or lutris version

wide quail
#

Personally I am on steam, vulkan gives me wayyyy better performance. I actually skipped the entire league mechanic in delirium because my computer couldn't handle the fights with DX11, but performs reasonably well now with vulkan. However since I switched to vulkan with the harvest update, my game has been crashing a lot when loading maps. I'm not sure if this is tied to the update or vulkan though, so I need to do a bit more testing. Anyone else been experiencing crashes?

little idol
#

Installed a dual boot of kububtu alongside w10, got steam to install poe on a media partition, click the play button and nothing happens

little idol
#

Saw an old post about pointing the app to use amdvlk but I don’t know how to do that. amdgpu is current though. Apart from that it might be the install location. The partition on which I installed is ext4, maybe try installing on same partition as Linux os?

stiff pumice
#

WTF, a linux client is planned?

#

or they just opened up a troll channel? xd

wicked arch
#

a mac client is planned

#

and linux client is like a few hours of work of difference

jolly horizon
#

I like henry reacted to that kek

clever scaffold
#

just cause henry reacted to it

lethal shadow
#

lol

strong mirage
#

If you need a client for every distro, you are doing it wrong.

ocean hill
#

yeah, just make a snap πŸ˜…

iron charm
#

s/win32/linux/ there done, how hard can it be

loud rose
#

Hey there fellow exiles, i just changed my os from win10 to linux, ubuntu 20.04 i have a hard time to get poe running, i heard that with the vulkan renderer and newest proton it should work but it just keeps exiting without an error. Could anyone help me? πŸ™‚ I already tried running it with lutris but it keeps throwing errors at me like that one: "internal error: /home/$USER/.local/share/lutris/runtime/steam/setup.sh is missing, this runtime is invalid or corrupted"

loud rose
#

Got it working, some libraries and some restarts and its running πŸ™‚

cyan crane
#

great πŸ™‚

cursive shell
#

any one have any idea why game crashes when i switch it to use vulcan in game. id like to use it if i can get it to work.

cursive shell
edgy sierra
#

I get a similar error when switching to vulkan with wine/wine-staging. Vulkan does work with proton however. Seems to be something changed driver side (Mesa in my case) or with game client since it used to work, but I haven't really tried to track down where the changes happened.

cursive shell
#

wonder if the custom proton im using doesnt work well with vulkan. have not had a chance to try that yet.

edgy sierra
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It works for me with GloriousEggroll's 5.9-GE-3-ST, might be worth trying that out. Wine's in a bit of a janky place right now with all their refactoring so it's a definitely a little bit more work getting things setup.