linux-🐧

[ashen elbow]

But then it just happens randomly

[dusty aurora]

Does it happen on both dx12 and vulkan?

[ashen elbow]

Only on vulkan havent tried on dx12

Last year this didnt happen tho

On old league

[dusty aurora]

might be ggg did something funny with their vulkan impl this patch

[ashen elbow]

I even had novidea card on fedora and didn't have this specific problem 💀

[ashen elbow]

Ye ill give dx12 a try when i get home i guess

Till they fix

[dusty aurora]

might be some esoteric Linux bug with how vulkan api is implemented for your gpu and how ggg calls some func

fwiw I find dx12 renderer performs better on my machine

vkd3d magick

[ashen elbow]

When i had 1080ti strix vulkan outperformed dx12 by a bit still

More noticeable on late game where there are billions stuff goin on the screen and u get 20 fps lol

[raven canyon]

very confusing issue im having i think it might be my desktop environment

when i alt tab out of the game sometimes clicking back in merely changes my cursor and the game doesnt appear so i have to just kill the game and relaunch

on KDE and PopOS any idea wtf it is?

vulkan 2

[dusty aurora]

got any special window/application rule set for poe?

[raven canyon]

i'm unfamiliar with what is meant by this

thanks for taking the time to respond

where do i check?

[dusty aurora]

You right click the title bar and go to window or application rules. But in that case you probably don't have a rule set hehe

if you swap back to the game with alt tab does the issue also happen? Or just on click

[raven canyon]

i usually click back on by habbit

after right clicking it the "fullscreen" option is set unsure beyond that

[dusty aurora]

Hmm no clue, might be a new bug when switching to fullscreen applications

[raven canyon]

its not every time either might be my bias, but sometime with opening pob over something else it affect it or going fullscreen on something else

[raven canyon]

"deadlock" detected comes with it someteims

is that related?

[last wasp]

me to

[hollow saddle]

is it worth using cachyos? cachyos + openbox? rn im using kde plasma but ion rlly like it

[ashen elbow]

cachyos is good most of the time

[hollow saddle]

and whats better than cachyos?

[ashen elbow]

fedora wise cachyos is best for gaming and general use

there is also lts and stock base kernel

ive used cachyos tho for 1+ year now and its been working fine

sometimes here and there little bugs but nothing big except what they did in september last year

shit was so bad my friend was messaging the guy who maintains the kernel on ig

😂 😂

[gray birch]

I've been running CachyOS since November of last year and really happy with it

[left veldt]

anyone remember the env variables for running Awaken POE on wayland? my app image wiped them our when I moved to the 3.28 verision

[fading topaz]

You won't necessarily need both, but you can XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11 awakened-poe-trade --ozone-platform=x11

There's a thread on github with more detail

[warped pond]

Friends, anyone run into these errors before a crash?

16566.510:0124:0188:fixme:font:get_nearest_charset TCI failing on 20000000 16566.510:0124:0188:fixme:font:get_nearest_charset returning DEFAULT_CHARSET face->fs.fsCsb[0] = 20000000 file = (null)

[fading topaz]

As in game crash?

[warped pond]

Yeah, just straight poof

019c:err:font:alloc_font_handle out of realized font handles 

wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 00000550FD3F4EA2 at address 00006FFFFF73C34A (thread 0158), starting debugger... 

Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000550fd3f4ea2 in 64-bit code (0x006fffff73c34a).```

I'm on GE 10-32, the random crashes are truly random, sometimes I can leave game open 10 hours without issues, others it's a few minutes. I rebuild the pfx, delete shadercache, tried GE 10-32, 10-21, experimental. Disabled steam overlay. Tried winetricks for font fixes, installed all fonts. Tried Dx12 and Vulkan (I use vulkan normally)

I moved PoE install from one drive to another to test if it was drive related

Seems to be a fault within gdi32

[hollow saddle]

is linux even worth it? cuz idk like it doesnt run 1 game i rlly like but i like linux but idk.

[fading topaz]

It all comes down to what matters to you. People like it because it's free, because it's open and transparent (generally speaking), and because it isn't shoving ads, bloat and tracking into the main experience.

For some though, this comes at the cost of convenience, whether it be lacking support for niche hardware, for some games and applications, or even just difficulty to install and use day-to-day

[elfin lagoon]

I am on the same point. I can crash the game by opening Social Tab. Doesn't seem to happen when there's not that many people online. no idea what causes this.

[warped pond]

So, I have upped the amount of font handles from 256 to 4096, it removed 019c:err:font:alloc_font_handle out of realized font handles errors entirely. HOWEVER, I just had a crash, so i'm adding some debugging lines to my GE 10-32 repo now and then will try and get it to crash

From my understanding it's referencing a bad font, it's coming out with:

wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0000055641BC0822 at address 00006FFFFF73C34A (thread 0138), starting debugger...

Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x0000055641bc0822 in 64-bit code (0x006fffff73c34a).

31112.296:0134:0138:trace:seh:dispatch_exception code=c0000005 (EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION) flags=0 addr=00006FFFFF73C34A```

Will keep you updated, but it's absolutely to do with the text, cause it only really happens to me when text is rendered into the screen, it's absolutely random

[marsh kite]

well im having the same issue

but I just cannot login

[magic citrus]

Is anyone else getting a lot of sudden crashes? My pc freezes for a sec and then it crashes, funny thing is my cpu is at 99% use but my gpu is at 35, dont know why

[outer pagoda]

yes, only with youtube/twitch open in the background, hard freezes the system and doesnt leave any traces in syslog

[marsh kite]

Had to switch to windows personnaly

[raven canyon]

Thus new patch has made me freeze and crash a lot

Im probably gunna windows it for a bit lol

[marsh kite]

windows is c

95 degree cpu on 2.4Ghz

(80 degree at 4Ghz on linux)

[patent fern]

I don't suppose you have a stack trace out of Wine when that happens, pointing at particular Windows function calls or something?

[warped pond]

That's what i'm looking for now, I have set up a bunch of traces to see what's happening around the glyph indices function within proton. I'm unfortunately not versed at all in the high level of what's happening, but will report back with logs when I next crash!

[fading topaz]

Seems to be info on Proton's github thread about this now: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/58#issuecomment-4035964253

[polar spruce]

I was having random crashes as well, a repro is pasting this character in ingame chat aฺ if you install the usp10 package in winetricks it should resolve the crashes. It feels so random because it requires someone with one of the funky names to talk in global/show in hideout.

Pasting the same character in notepad.exe will also cause the crash, having usp10 installed doesnt seem to make a difference there. It will always just instantly crash on pasting the char and then clicking somewhere in notepad

[warped pond]

Interesting, even when the global chat is off?

Is it about rendering the character or about it even being in memory?

[polar spruce]

not sure about global being on/off specifically

nor if its rendering/memory related tbf

[warped pond]

Will install and test, thank you kindly 🙏

[elfin lagoon]

did you add some launch parameters on steam or how you running winetricks ?

[opaque snow]

i have a shell script for launching awakened poe trade and it puts it in the right mode. as well as XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11 in my application launcher's desktop shortcut.

[polar spruce]

I use standalone launcher, but im sure theres a guide somewhere on how to run winetricks on steam

[opaque snow]

# 1. Define the directory where your AppImage lives
APP_DIR="/path/to/appimage"

# 2. Find the newest version of the file
# ls -t sorts by time; head -n 1 picks the most recent -- * in the name of the file here makes it fuzzy between - and the .appimage filetype.
# As long as the program continues to update and name itself "Awakened-PoE-Trade-" at the beginning, this will continue to launch the file.
APP_IMAGE=$(ls -t "$APP_DIR"/Awakened-PoE-Trade-*.AppImage | head -n 1)

# 3. Check file before running
if [ -n "$APP_IMAGE" ]; then
    # Runs the AppImage, passing along any files ($@) and flags
    # "exec" so the script process is replaced by the app process
    export XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
    exec "$APP_IMAGE" "$@" --ozone-platform=x11 --no-sandbox
    # if the script does not find a file where it expects to, it will exit and if possible, output the error
else
    echo "Error: No Awakened-PoE-Trade AppImage found in $APP_DIR"
    exit 1
fi

i use this so that i don't have to go manually update the desktop file every time awakened poe trade updates. @left veldt

maybe there's a better way but this is nice and easy.

[elfin lagoon]

WINEDLLOVERRIDES="usp10=n,b" %command% yea it's this. on launch parameters if someone else is struggling. Also need to add the trick to path of exile steam folder

but i did it and seems to work. can open social panel now

which always crashed for me before

[polar spruce]

can you paste the forbidden character as well?

aฺ

[elfin lagoon]

No

crashed :D

[polar spruce]

rip

[opaque snow]

alright so do what know what's causing the crashes? i was tabbed out doing something and the app just closed on me. i was entirely idle in my hideout

[polar spruce]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/58#issuecomment-4035964253 this explains it pretty well

[elfin lagoon]

yea had a guildmate post that, and it immediately crashed me

[opaque snow]

thank you

[polar spruce]

for me and one of my friends installing usp10 through winetricks resolved that specific crash

[opaque snow]

i'm leaving global for the time being lol

[elfin lagoon]

for me, someone in my friends list is apparently using this letter so I crash when I open the social panel :/

[opaque snow]

damn

[quasi blaze]

Great find! I'd been curious about the seemingly large number of crashes this league for me

[elfin lagoon]

aight, I fixed it

instead of winetricks I ended up using protontricks

and added, tahoma corefont

as it's a thai letter that seems to cause the crash

[opaque snow]

what steps to fix as well? i'm just doing proton-cachyos-latest

[elfin lagoon]

if you got protontricks installed. Do "protontricks 238960 usp10 corefonts tahoma" (the 23890 is steam number for path of exile)

then add WINEDLLOVERRIDES="usp10=n,b" %command%
in to your launch parameters

also for extra measures I added thai fonts to my system via "sudo pacman -S gnu-free-fonts ttf-liberation"

[opaque snow]

apparently already had ttf-liberation

[quasi blaze]

The fix worked for me. Thanks!

[opaque snow]

--nvm - i pasted and i'm good to go

[opaque snow]

are you going to post your steps to fix under that thread?

if you don't want to, i would be happy to.

[warped pond]

I tried that and ran into crashes still

The USP10 package is currently going strong

[elfin lagoon]

sorry, i don't post on forums

[opaque snow]

no worries i'll make a post.

[frosty acorn]

anyone suffering from immense lag compared to last league? Last league I was able to do expeditions without lag but now i drop to like 5 fps

playing poe through lutris btw using GE-Proton (Latest)

[fading topaz]

You try switching between Vulkan and DX12?

[frosty acorn]

nope, been only using vulkan

[fading topaz]

Try out DX12 see if it's better

[marsh kite]

Dx12 cannot be better 😭

It's literaly translated to vulkan in linux

[frosty acorn]

ok dx12 is definitely better than vulkan, just did 2 maps and suffered 0 lag

even with full expedition

[marsh kite]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-low-quality-squidward-glass-gif-24522050

[brisk geode]

Vulkan in poe on linux have needed some attention for a long time.

[white beacon]

Damn ty man this solves my problem on Garuda

[warped pond]

As an update i am now 9 hours in and no crashes, this is the longest the game has stayed open all league 🎉

[opaque snow]

that's awesome. i also have not suffered another crash. 😄

andi also removed the launch option and it's still fine. i tested by dropping the character into local and it held open so i'm assuming the launch option was just incase

[polar spruce]

Happy to see you guys are now crash free! we love usp10

[patent fern]

I wonder if peeps that zone in for async trade have potential to proc this.

[patent fern]

D3D12 could very well run better on Linux than Vulkan.
With DX12, there is indeed the layer of translating the API and shaders to native Vulkan, while the Vulkan translation is a slimmer translation into Linux Vulkan.
Performance could still vary based on how resources are managed and shaders are compiled, especially as you're going to compare HLSL -> DXIL from the game going into DXVK converting that bytecode to something native Vulkan vs. HLSL -> SPIR-V from the game going into native Vulkan.

[ashen elbow]

My game still crashing my gpu even on dx12

idk what to do at this point

[elfin lagoon]

do you need to run it with xwayland?

[ashen elbow]

i generally use vulkan

and for other games that need dx11-12 there is no problem like this

so its a specific game problem

could be the mesa drivers like a guy mentioned above

since they changed to rust

[kindred lantern]

hi, i'm having trouble getting awakened poe trade to work as the appimage on Ubuntu 24.04.4 LTS. The app itself opens and I can see the icon top right, but when I try to use the shortcut to price check it trys to open about 10 windows that all disapear immediatley and tab me out of my game. I am running Vulkan with windowed fullscreen incase that helps. I am desperate to get this to work, I tried to launch it through the terminal with --no-sandbox bc I heard that it helps but it didn't change anything.

[fading topaz]

Are you on wayland? Lauch it with XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11 awakened-poe-trade --ozone-platform=x11 (or similar)

[kindred lantern]

yes, I am on wayland

should I launch it in its directory with those parameters?

[fading topaz]

If you're launching directly from appimage the directory shouldn't matter?

[kindred lantern]

true, mb

[kindred lantern]

I had to add --no-sandbox at the end, but it worked!! tysm!

[odd crater]

Anyone else game runs pretty poorly lately?
I'm on ryzen 5600x, nvidia 2080ti, arch linux KDE
Using steam proton latest stable version

Game feels pretty bad. Like it will say 60fps but it doesnt really feel like 60fps its weird
And in juiced t16 endgame mapping it frequently drops to 20fps.

Not sure what I can change to try to make it better

[odd crater]

This also didnt fully fix the problem btw
Frequently when I ctrl+D to price check some item, it will show some previous item that I price checked instead
I did not realize this for awhile and I was incorrectly price checking many items. Sad.
So damn janky.

[halcyon moat]

The thing is vukan provides higher texture quality than DX12

Take screenshots and zoom them in

DX textures look blurry somehow filtered

Vulkan textures are sharp

Its noticeable by eye on big screens

[patent fern]

Reminds me of the fella that accidentally ran the game superscaled thanks to multi-monitor desktop DPI scaling rendering at a high resolution and scaling down to the monitor, could see a distinct difference in inventory art 😄

[halcyon moat]

I think theres an inbuilt option for such

They have fsr, it works as upscaling antialiasing if you do not reduce the render resolution

haven't tested in dlss also works the same if you do not reduce the resolution

but vulkan+fsr makes the game very sharp

I'm a quality addict, have ocd

you could achieve better with Nvidia profile inspector (TRSSAA + HBAO) but they no longer have an option to control ambient occlusion in the game separately

in the past you could even disable the grass within the config file...

[patent fern]

This was beyond 100%, they were rendering at like 2.5k or 4k for a 1080p screen.

PoE's UI is always full resolution, there's no degradation there. All the built-in render resolution and upscaling is only for 3D content.
They managed to get the whole darn thing essentially running in SSAA.

[halcyon moat]

yes virtual resolution

these inbuilt options are the same, they just don't affect the gui I believe

[halcyon moat]

yes, seeing now you said the same as well, indeed

[halcyon moat]

you can easily achieve the same but needs a decent gpu for 8k > 4k

if you are fine playing 60 FPS you can try it

it's called virtual super resolution in amd

forgot the name in nvidia

I think SSAA was also the Nvidia name for this

I have done it back when it first became available in Nvidia, I did 4k > 1080p, inventory art was really good indeed

we didn't have 4k gaming back then, it became available in dark souls 3 release era

just before the release of the scholar of the first sin iirc

dumb me not remembering the dates but giving an approx date with game releases 😄

I even remember the Nvidia demonstration video, it had dark souls 3 with long grass scene in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSUSYaa6C9s

shit it's dark souls 2, not 3 my bad

also named DSR not SSAA

video is from 11 years ago, I still remember well overall despite some details

yes the grass scene is at 00:58

Good old comments section :)

Now GPUs are completely focusing on generating fake frames rather than adding new quality improving technologies

I still remember the physx cloth simulation hype days

[patent fern]

I actually implemented supersampling as an expriment in PoB for DPI scaling. Looked quite decent but it took a bit of a performance hit if you had particular desktop scaling factors.

The original implementation in retail PoB is to render at 100% resolution and do a bilinear upscale to fit the window.

Mine found the next integer scale factor, multiplied all sizes by that whole number and then downscaled that to the window size.
So if you had a desktop scale of 225%, PoB would draw at 3x scale internally and then downsample that 300% to 225%.

The current implementation in retail PoB is a bit of a middle ground - it scales most sizes and dimensions up to fractions and krangle them into the raster grid. Reasonably sharp text and edges, but with a bit of misalignment.

[halcyon moat]

oh people got discord badges, me don't have any, sad 😄

[halcyon moat]

your method seems better because people who have high dpi displays usually have high end hardware with the exception is modern notebook displays

some of them throw in 3k or 4k display with trash igpu

[halcyon moat]

3200x1800

[outer pagoda]

idk if theres a linux equivalent today but i remember using GeDoSaTo for that aeons ago for downsampling things like terraria to get the 4k camera zoom on a 720p laptop display. it looked trash in that game on that display but oddly was more performant than antialiasing in some other fps titles like counterstrike and halflife2

more interestingly this was back before all the fsr/taa stuff (2014-2016), so no hardware gpu accel trickery, just a shitty laptop builtin

[patent fern]

Did you know that 2026 is the year of the Linux Desktop?

[patent fern]

(ended up having to wipefs -a to get rid of whatever previous filesystems that tripped the installer up, always a sign that you're in for fun)

[strong kraken]

how does umount fail with SIGPIPE?

that doesn't even make sense to me

[pearl badger]

Ugh. I had issue after issue with CachyOS. First off the KDE DE was bugging out with sizing windows too small and then I had issues with SRGB and the OS telling my monitors to dim to like 10% brightness making it near impossible to see anything 🥲

And worst of all. Every issue I tried finding a solution for on forums were just people responding with "I installed CachyOS and it just works!", great. That really answered the issue stated in the forum thread with the issue I am also having. lol

[valid river]

Yeah it might be due to differences in OS, i have issue with my monitor brightness control on my Garuda install, but not on my Kubuntu install. Very confusing (are you using AOC monitor?)
Edit: on both installs i use KDE Plasma

[pearl badger]

2x Lenovo and 1x Acer monitor

[valid river]

Did you try manually adjust brightness outside of game?

[pearl badger]

Nope

[valid river]

With this

[pearl badger]

Those didn't even work when it dimmed. I had to adjust everything back and forth until it just magically got bright again

The dim mostly happened at startup or after the pc had gone to sleep

Never happened during a game or anything. The experience was pretty okay there actually

[valid river]

Is it working now or?

[pearl badger]

No longer have it installed 😄

[valid river]

I see

Btw how did you install the game primarily? Over Steam or manually using Lutris/Bottles or other ?

[pearl badger]

Over steam yeah

Forgot how I installed b.net but I am pretty sure it was through Steam as well

[valid river]

On steam you can change different versions of compatibility layer (Proton)

You go into game properties > compatibility > then check the Force the use of a specific compatibility tool

This menu

[pearl badger]

Yeah I just used the layer it defaulted to. Worked fine Diablo 4 that I tried to run. Decent enough performance. Few stutters here and there but nothing awful. Not sure what any of this has to do with what I was talking about tho'.

[valid river]

Default will work properly on most games, steam will autodecide wich one to use

On some games you might need to switch it to a differenrt one. Sometimes you might need to get Proton GE (community made)

[pearl badger]

Who are you talking to here? Cause your conversation seems very one way...

[valid river]

Well you u said you use default on other games

[pearl badger]

Yeah I am gonna leave you to yourself, lol. I never said I had any issues with games and you're trying to educate me on layers for no reason at all.

[valid river]

You were talking brightness issues, i had same on few games, fixed it with different proton version.

[pearl badger]

You're dense bro

Let me make it REALLY simple for you. I was nothing having brightness issues with games. It was a OS/DE problem. SYSTEM WIDE.

[patent fern]

One of the last things I did before shutting down after first real boot was change my user's UID/GID.
Now the system boots up into a black graphical screen with a mouse cursor.

Man I love Linux.

I can Ctrl-Alt-F4 out to a proper tty and all to prod around, but it's gonna be a bit of work to troubleshoot.

[valid river]

Ye i was dense af then, didnt catch the system wide part, coffee still needs to kick in

[pearl badger]

🙏 that's a tougher one, zao, daymn

[patent fern]

My pet peeve is installers that don't let you pick your IDs at install time, generally need them to align to share stuff with other machines.

Should've created a dummy user and made my actual one from scratch.
Good habit to have anyway as you can use them as an escape hatch.

[pearl badger]

No worry. I wasn't having problems with any games tbh. All worked okay. Just had hiccup after hiccup with the OS itself. Just doing things outside of gaming. Had enough and stopped using Cachy xD

Might try it again with another DE. See if my problems persists. Always had issues with KDE. Always. For 20 years of trying it every now and again.

Also have a 2080ti tho. Weird issues with this series it seems

[patent fern]

I've been on team XFCE since FVWM2 and Xmonad stopped being feasible, but now with Wayland existing I'm leaning towards just using KDE.
I've used early KDE4, the current era is rock solid in comparison 😉

[valid river]

Is fine 😄
My machine didnt even allow me to install CatchyOS ://

[pearl badger]

Used to run XFCE with Openbox. It was a joy. But it's been a long time. Been out of the game for a long time so not sure what I should try next. Maybe hyperland or one of the newer 😄

[valid river]

You mentioned checking on forums, did you also ask in CatchyOS discord?

[pearl badger]

It wouldn't boot or not install?

Nah never went to their Discord

[valid river]

It wouldnt install, i manage to get to installer, but then it just stops working and crashes

And i did try few different tools but when i boot from USB same thing happens

[pearl badger]

Yeah that seems to be a sad common theme still with Linux distros. Wonky issues depending on pc parts

[valid river]

I just concluded its compatibility issue with my hardware and went over to next OS (Garuda seems to work fine for me)

[patent fern]

Looks like plasma-login had core dumped and didn't quite get back up again.
Oh well, hope it's not the system and just software.

Mostly just gonna use this to run PoB under Proton, however one does that.

[pearl badger]

For me Steam did all of that for me, but not sure if you use the standalone or GGG client 🤔 You can launch everything non-steam through steam though

[valid river]

Do tell if it works, as im also about to install PoB

[pearl badger]

Oh POB, I read it as PoE 😂

[valid river]

Im doing it over Lutris tho

[patent fern]

I presume the stock one will run, don't think it needs d3dcompiler or other tricks currently.

As for PoE, I don't have room on my boot drive for it and have to figure out if I want to put all of Steam on a separate drive.

When this machine had Windows on it in the past, I used to run PoE over the network from a SMB share 😄

Ran surprisingly well over 25G ^_^

[pearl badger]

Haha. Did that every cause any issues? Does it get enough bandwidth for loading?

Oh 25g, no issues then 😄

[patent fern]

Biggest horror, apart from SMB being meh, was probably latency and maybe some APIs behaving a bit different.

I hear one of these are customary to share these days:

[pearl badger]

Haven't used SMB in forever cause using 2 pc's is too pricy for me with the current power prices in my country. But I do still have have memories of shares just stopped working 😂 Usually on my Windows end, lol

31" 120Hz. Nice. Wish I had a monitor like that

Holy. You got a phat amount of RAM for a 5800X system

[patent fern]

It's very confused. The monitor is 28" 4k144, just running a bit worse over HDMI.

[pearl badger]

RAM in this economy

[patent fern]

This used to be my closet proxmox machine, built up from some e-wasted desktop that I put a new CPU and 4x32G of DDR4-3200 in.

Bought when the sticks weren't the current price multiple 😄

[valid river]

Ill be damned, you got upgraded version of my hardware and CatchyOS works for you XD

[patent fern]

I guess I could run PoE1 from a RAM drive.

[pearl badger]

I figured, haha 😄 these days it would be nuts buy that amount

[pearl badger]

Sounds like it would be snappy

Which chipset are both of you running your 5X00's on?

[patent fern]

This one is a B450, a bit on the lower end but generally works.

[valid river]

X570

[patent fern]

Upgraded my nephew to a mid-5000 series CPU on a way older motherboard a bunch of years ago, think that was a budget 1st or 2nd generation Ryzen from the start.

[pearl badger]

Been thinking of upgrading my old 2700X system running on a x470, to a 5700 or something so it's not too much money on this older hardware

[valid river]

Good luck finding compatible ones, i unfortunately only had X570 listed as viable after bios update

[pearl badger]

It's on the supported CPU list with the bios updates (which I have)

[valid river]

Glad you found one already 😄

[patent fern]

If you can fit a newer firmware with support for the CPU and don't go too high in power requirements, it's probably quite alright.
One of the problems for older chipsets was that their flash size was a bit too small for modern AGESA so they had to strip out some stuff.

[pearl badger]

Seems to support all the way up to 5950X and 5800X3D though I cant find the 3D cpu's anywhere locally lol

[patent fern]

2700X to most anything in the 5000 series is a nice upgrade.

I smell warm electronics. Should probably go buy a case fan tomorrow or rig something up for this NIC, it's cooking next to the GPU.

[pearl badger]

Yeah. This 2700X CPU is struggling hard now - especially with all the expansions in POE 🥲

I have this board btw; https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vii-hero-model/spec/

I'm figuring it should be fine for 5000 cpu's.. I hope.

Ugh. Awful gamer design aesthetics

[patent fern]

Ah, C7H. Probably solid.

Had a C8H for my old cursed 5950X.

[pearl badger]

Cursed? 😄

[patent fern]

Bit broken, got worse over time; kind of a manufacturing defect.

Would hardlock once a month or so, and ultimately progressed over a year to pretty much guaranteeing that it'd hardfreeze if I left it on the Windows lock screen for five minutes in the morning or booted anything Linux.

Replaced pretty much every piece of hardware but the CPU.

Seems legit:

[pearl badger]

That does sound like a cursed cpu. Half-broken memory controller maybe?

[pearl badger]

3 minutes. Gamer. 😄

Oh! and 2020

[patent fern]

Using my old data hoarding account on this computer to avoid inferering with my real Steam.

Proper PoE acct is more like what, 12kh?

[pearl badger]

As a GGG'er. Do you prefer to use steam client over stand-alone?

[patent fern]

Recently, yeah.

[pearl badger]

I myself just like the convinience of it

[patent fern]

Primary reason is that Standalone on multiple locations makes it a justifiable pain to sign in with the protection around that.

Used to be a Standalone andy.

[pearl badger]

Oh yeah. Activation codes, right? Been a minute since I went on standalone

[patent fern]

It's nice to have the production Steam client installed in the office so I can pop in to check how things work on my actual characters.

[patent fern]

Yeah, if you differ enough in where you connect from, you have the song and dance with emailed validation codes.

[pearl badger]

Yeah I do remember it as I had dynamic IP that would swap pretty often - as my ISP was really unstable with the connection

[patent fern]

There we go, got PoE1 installed. Nice to have a dedicated separated Linux box.

[pearl badger]

Must be nice to be telemetry free, I am on Windows currently, lol

[strong kraken]

rare nixos W

Actually I don't think that the graphical installer supports it either, but if you use an artisanal config then you can specify IDs.

[strong kraken]

mm 30 gigs of ram used

[pearl badger]

The game I playing was using 15GB alone rest is mostly a bunch of browser tabs 😂

[ebon glacier]

alsomost worked deleted the chat no reason to try the hooks dont work when on linux overlay does not work

[potent chasm]

Hey guys, can someone help me out please?

I have a gaming laptop with RTX 5070 and i7-13650HX where the performance is very good no matter what is happening and I also have a desktop with RX 7900 XT and Ryzen 7 5800X3D running CachyOS, but here PoE lags IMMENSELY when I trigger a lot "effects" (hitting bunch of enemies with chaining skills) - the performance graph in-game shows that my CPU time goes to around 150ms (literal slideshow) from the usual 4ms when I am just walking around and the "Shader" bar also fills up way too often (it should be empty once game loads shaders into memory AFAIK).

I played PoE on the same system on Windows before I switched to Cachy and this never happened, I had stable 60+ FPS basically no matter what crazy stuff I was doing (that was before Mirage league, haven't tested since)

Also these brutal performance drops also happen when I just open a strongbox which revives nearby enemies in any map, basically no juice at all

[ebon glacier]

let me see

[fading topaz]

Have you tried both DX12 and Vulkan?

[ebon glacier]

id try installing vulkan and drivers for what gpu you have beware older gpus lose alot of performance on linux cuz drivers arnt that great

__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __VK_LAYER_NV_optimus=NVIDIA_only __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia %command% also past this into steam laucnh option so forces system to use gpu for the game

[fading topaz]

I'll point out they have an AMD graphics card

[ebon glacier]

ah thanks wait a second

thought refering to the laptop

[ebon glacier]

DRI_PRIME=1 %command%
this is for AMD GPU

[fading topaz]

Right. They are saying it's their desktop that is the problem, so they aren't using hybrid graphics

Plus I'm fairly certain that CPU doesn't have integrated graphics

[ebon glacier]

sudo pacman -Syu
sudo pacman -S --needed mesa lib32-mesa vulkan-radeon lib32-vulkan-radeon
sudo pacman -S cachyos-gaming-meta
sudo pacman -S lact
sudo pacman -S protonplus

https://wiki.cachyos.org/configuration/gaming/

[patent fern]

Tip - surround inline code fragments with single backticks on Discord to not have them krangled by formatting; and multiple lines of code with triple backticks.

[ebon glacier]

it does not indeed

[ebon glacier]

im not out to confuse people so i just give it by each command

[patent fern]

For example:
__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __VK_LAYER_NV_optimus=NVIDIA_only __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia %command%

sudo pacman -Syu

[ebon glacier]

thats nvidia

his is amd

[patent fern]

The point being, your commands are being interpreted by Discord as Markdown, making them confusing at best, wrong at worst.

I'm not talking about what your commands are. I'm talking about how they are unreadable.

cf.

[ebon glacier]

NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 VK_LAYER_NV_optimus=NVIDIA_only __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia %command%

this is for my system

[patent fern]

You just lost the leading __ on the first two environment variables.

[ebon glacier]

DRI_PRIME=1 %command%
this is for his

[ebon glacier]

mean the __ near only and GLX

yea mine is right

NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD this part is enviroment variable tells the system to offload rendering to gpu and not integrated gpu

VK_LAYER_NV_optimus=NVIDIA_only this configures vulkan to use the nvidia gpu

[patent fern]

What I'm trying to say is that in your original text that showed up as underlined, your environment variables started with double underscores.
You lost those double underscores later on. They are important.

[ebon glacier]

__GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia this ensures opengl applications use nvidia driver

[patent fern]

__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 and NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 are different things. All I'm saying is that you should be careful when you copy command lines into Discord and surround them with `` to not lose important parts.

[ebon glacier]

ah it removed it i see what you are saying now

i did not notice

i did not know discord changes shit thats nice to know

another reason to hate this platform

[patent fern]

Good docs tho: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline#h_01GY0DAKGXDEHE263BCAYEGFJA

[ebon glacier]

i see

thats dumb as shit

im used to talking about stuff on facebook and never having my crap removed

21 in a server tech group

and a ham radio group aswell

[potent chasm]

Yeah my CPU doesnt have integrated graphics + the GPU I have is the second best last gen, not "an old gpu" lmao

[potent chasm]

I am pretty sure I did install all the stuff CachyOS wiki recommended

[fading topaz]

Returning to what I asked earlier, did you try both DX12 and Vulkan?

[potent chasm]

Yeah I am pretty sure I did, I will check DX12 again when I get home from work today

I also cleared shader cache and verified game files

Nah I prefer to do it this way so other people can help out too and I have time to read up on the commands

KDE Plasma is my desktop

[potent chasm]

This seems irrelevant as accordin to Arch wiki it is meant to force dGPU on hybrid GPU systems

[patent fern]

On loading shaders up-front, the game can need to generate and compile new ones on demand during game play, especially if particular VFX combine with monsters.
If the CPU hitches correlate with the shader bar filling up, you may be having some trouble with the driver's shader caches, or possibly Steam's if you're on Vulkan.

[potent chasm]

In accordance with CachyOS wiki, I disabled Steam's built-in shader caching and enabled the same feature through PROTON_LOCAL_SHADER_CACHE=1

Yeah and I am saying that the issue is that this happens specifically in PoE even though all other games I have tried so far work well. I will ensure the vulkan installation is correct just to be sure, but I am fairly certain I did everything already

I am sorry but you sound like you have no clue what you are talking about

I did not say or assume you use AMD

I am not at my PC now but in-game settings I have graphics set to middle or low options, sound effects set to false via config file, no upscaling native 1440p, engine multithreading and dynamic culling enabled

[ebon glacier]

looking at what catchy os says im used to arch linux and whats needed catchy os is a fork of arch

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA

catchy os guids are dumb asf

[potent chasm]

The command line args are currently PROTON_LOCAL_SHADER_CACHE=1 mangohud game-performance %command% and previously I also had PROTON_FSR4_RDNA3_UPGRADE=1 PROTON_USE_NTSYNC=1 ENABLE_LAYER_MESA_ANTI_LAG=1

[potent chasm]

?

[ebon glacier]

PROTON_LOCAL_SHADER_CACHE=1 this ya dont need

[patent fern]

Did you bump up the Mesa shader cache they mention in the CachyOS gaming docs?
https://wiki.cachyos.org/configuration/gaming/#increase-maximum-shader-cache-size

[ebon glacier]

at all

[potent chasm]

Yeah I think I did, will have to check if I saved it

[ebon glacier]

im lost for this guys system catchy os ive never used it before no idea how configs work

[patent fern]

They (the docs) have it at 12G which is kind of small, considering that some peeps on NV on Windows like setting it at 100G for PoE 😄

[ebon glacier]

ima compare what catchy os says vs arch linux says cuz its a fork after all i dont trust what catchy os says

ima send a dm to another guy i know that knows about catchy os cuz this shit is dumb

[potent chasm]

As I said I think I did set it to some "large" value (maybe even the 100G I am used to) but I will check when I get home, if that and DX12 doesnt work do I tag you and you can try to help me further?

[patent fern]

I probably don't have too much more to add there, it's been a good decade since I last gamed on Linux.

If you find something interesting tho, do mention it 🙂

[potent chasm]

Well damn :/ I really want to fix this because I play PoE way too much and I want to get away from windows but this performance is just unaccaptable

[fading topaz]

not sure if the wait for preload flag would make a difference

[potent chasm]

AFAIK That is now not required, some time ago the CachyOS team allegedly patched the issue (or steam did), pretty sure someone mentioned it on CachyOS discord but I will try that too)

[ebon glacier]

ima ask this what all did you install for gaming ima have a buddy run though each thing you installed figure out where you messed up

[patent fern]

It's also quite late, stayed up a bit trying to get my custom PoB to run properly but somehow behaviour differs between Steam itself and protontricks-launch.

[ebon glacier]

what driver what commands did you run

for everything you installed

[ebon glacier]

alright heres what we gonna do you gonna go make a usb installer for arch linux and idc if you using archinstall i will not juge you and i will help you install everything you need for gaming drivers wise

[potent chasm]

I am not doing that

Thanks for the offer but I don't like the way you act and I will try to solve this issue with other people

[ebon glacier]

wish poe had more settings to push the game even further on linux

while doing juiced maps where the screen is full of enemies stedy 200 fps

[gray birch]

What version of proton are you using for POE?

[ebon glacier]

who me

[gray birch]

no I was talking to @potent chasm

[potent chasm]

cachyos-slr something, the one they recommend on wiki, I can check for full name when I get home

[gray birch]

ok, that's what I was going to recommend

[ebon glacier]

sorry mate

[potent chasm]

Yeah... I am so confused. I will try a few things and probably will have to use windows if that fails

[ebon glacier]

dont give up bro it takes time

[ebon glacier]

got my cofffee time to chill

[halcyon moat]

why modern shaders take like double the space of the assets themselves :D

pre-baked shaders are already huge and active shader compilation makes it actually huuge

[patent fern]

PoE is interesting in that there's way more emergent scenarios where shaders need to combine than your typical pre-cooked boomshoot.

[potent chasm]

@patent fern Okay so I found out I was using an older proton installation, that reduced the cpu time peak by around 2x and then I also enabled the ADIOS scheduler. Also DX12 seemed to help at first but then I switched to vulkan again and it got bette than before I switched to DX12? Some tomfoolery.

As a note, I still get the cpu time spikes and they seem to directly correspond to "shader" bar filling up, but this happens even after hours of gaming and running the same strat on the same map, so the shaders should be loooong compiled right?

Also I did have shader cache set to 30GB but I further increased it to 50GB

I can gather some logs if you tell me how to do it so that it is useful to you, I would love to help improve PoE performance (at least on linux) in some way

[patent fern]

Good question why it might behave like that. Maybe they ended up exiled and needed to reload, or there were some subtle differences in mods or something.

There's not much in the way of meaningful logging/metrics in a live client past the F1 charts.

On Windows one can kind of squint at profiler output, but for me it's usually just "yep, these are drivers alright".

Sounds like you've gotten a bit of added speed out of your system now tho, that's nice.

[potent chasm]

Well it happens even with the same monster pack. If I click a "revives nearby allies with onslaught" or whatever that mod is my FPS still shits the bed EVERY time there is more than few monsters dead nearby. I am running allbambush scarabs btw so its just the monsters from that one or few nearby boxes

[patent fern]

I ended up dropping my video mode down by the way, in case anyone cares. Turns out that 4k120 on HDMI is a big fat lie and the display compression it leverages completely mangles colour accuracy on thin text.

[potent chasm]

And this happened in breach strat too once there were alot of enemies. I run these strats on one layout each and exclude same mods

[patent fern]

I'll survive with 1440 or 1080 for this side computer.

[potent chasm]

Unlucky

[patent fern]

Also got a pair of NanoKVM devices ordered now from AliEx, would be nice if I could access this machine remotely.

[potent chasm]

Feels less unplayable yes. Still very annoying that such an expensive computer runs it so poorly, I would expect at most dips to 60FPS when I am running low details, sounds=false and 1440p

[proven needle]

Have you tried it on a different distro?
I remember having pretty good performance on endeavour os compared to cachy when I tried out a few distros last year

[ebon glacier]

NICE

https://tenor.com/view/ww2-japanese-soldier-gif-9367676590970016045

[ebon glacier]

so i installed new task manager thats better i still have one to end task but i have one thats local host connect to monitor the system deeply now cuz this system never shuts down and is rare for me to shut it down i can watch my systems status from anywhere

NETDATA is the program

[heady grail]

Did you manage to find a fix for this?
Encountering a similar issue and I've tried everything and anything on the internet to try and fix it to no avail 🥲

[ashen elbow]

nop

havent tried anything for a while

most likely mesa drivers but no idea still

[ebon glacier]

i can solve this how does the system run with zero drivers

just base system

if a base system install runs fine the GPU is fked

[ashen elbow]

wdym?

the gpu is fine this only happens on poe

ive benchmarked many games and only in poe gpu crashes

sometimes after few minutes sometimes after 1-2 hours etc

they either did something this patch or idk

[ebon glacier]

poe in the video shows discord bugging too

is what tipped me off in suspecting the gpu

[ashen elbow]

ye bcs it crashes the whole gpu

usually its hard crash

when it crashes it breaks whole gpu and i need to force shutdown pc

only like 2-3 times it didnt fully crash where i took the vid

[sour shale]

linux powered 40/40

[ebon glacier]

strange

[ebon glacier]

im smart to a degree on things but when its hardwhare issue im not smart cuz i rarely encounter issues

only thing i do is accidentally brick the kernel and forced to use a USB use chroot and mount the drive and install a new kernel and then disable secure boot then boot the system and resign the kernel either im testing new drivers ive made to add more compatibility layers for windows-based ham radio apps to work

another issue is sometimes a software i made a fix for will cycle endlessly till it crashes the system

[ebon glacier]

but yea also when it comes to issues i dont got to do much to figure out what happened as i can just view the logs after i reboot the system cuz of a wonder tool net data that i can access via local web site the system host for it self

[potent chasm]

Ok yeah I am going back to windows, whenever I do any kind of actually juiced content the game becomes an unplayable slideshow

Hopefully this gets fixed soon

[ebon glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[potent chasm]

After switching back to windows I never drop below 25 FPS even in ultra juiced breaches. On Linux it was constant 5-10 FPS in breaches

[ebon glacier]

i really wish i could help you playing on 150fps juiced as shit

[potent chasm]

Yeah, Linux is just not there for gaming yet. Sadly.

I asked around alot and did alot of optimization people on Cachy discord told me could help and still its this bad

[ebon glacier]

as of now i have this game running with out proton

so no proton

same with warthunder i no proton

[potent chasm]

? AFAIK PoE has no native client

[ebon glacier]

using the steam one

i cant use proton cuases more issues than it fixes

like for War Thunder proton will cause the game to have a graphics issue and will just crash warthunder is one game that has an anti cheat that works on linux

__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __VK_LAYER_NV_optimus=NVIDIA_only __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia %command% what im using for poe

%command% -dx11 -nosoundcache -skipintro +fps_limit 0 +d3d11_use_timers 1 this is what i use for warthunder

[ashen elbow]

bro cant optimize the game and complains

or ur computer parts are just ass and bottlenecking eachother

[ebon glacier]

you had issues getting your basic display driver to work I would not be talking

[ashen elbow]

my gpu broken has nothing to do with optimazation

when i play it my fps is locked 165 but probably vram problems are crashing it

[ebon glacier]

so i was right yesterday that its broken and you called me wrong

[ashen elbow]

well its still a could be broken

[ebon glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[ashen elbow]

waiting on mesa drivers still i havent specifically tested the vram yet

very weird tho since on helldivers max setting i get no crashing or anything

[ebon glacier]

if the gpu turns out memory is fked just go to amazon get a heat gun station and get chips to solder on make sure that the ones you get will work

[ashen elbow]

still saying linux gaming is still not there yet its just a low effort word from 2019

[ashen elbow]

will see tbh since not confirmed yet

i need to find the actual cause and not just asume the vram

[ebon glacier]

the one i use for for fixing my motherboards gpus

YIHUA 862BD+ SMD ESD Safe 2 in 1 Soldering Iron Hot Air Rework Station °F /°C with Multiple Functions
the name

[ashen elbow]

if i do it tho ill probs get some putty and ptm for the gpu

temps are fine at 33idl but better dosnt hurt

[potent chasm]

I already dug kinda deep to find optimizations to use, not even talking about me having to do this kinda research to not have it run like shit is stupid.

As for components, I have Ryzen 7 5800X3D and Radeon 7900XT

[ashen elbow]

and what motherboard/psu and ram

[ashen elbow]

also idk for me even without use steam tinker launcher to change stuff its generally optimized and never has run like shit

only times the fps drops is when doing t17 juiced maps with deli and box

since hundreds of enemies spawn out of nowhere

even super high end pcs will drop fps from those

[ebon glacier]

mine are ryzen 5 am5 nvidia rtx 4060 this is the only card that will fit in the server chassis i have everything rack mounted

[potent chasm]

MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX, 2x16GB 3200MHz

PSU was A-tier 800W from psucultists

[ebon glacier]

i got 128g of ram but what ever some times i just pull out those ram sticks and use them on another board ive got for testing

motherboard dont remember

from msi

[ebon glacier]

what i want to upgrade too gonna cost alot of money asus sells the board i need but not a consumer grade board

its ATX so it will fit my case

K14PA-U12

[ashen elbow]

motherboard is solid , ram would be 3600 for best but with prices at these days

just an optimazation problem for u then

[wide cipher]

anyone here use gfn on flatpak with flatseal ?

[ebon glacier]

no

[ebon glacier]

geforce now bad idea on linux ngl

[wide cipher]

works perfectly

except i have uk timezone and keyboard

just switched back to linux from windows as gfn official binary got released

and works the same on both, i just think i'm having some issue with flatseal or flatpak causing gfn instances to not inherit my locales

[ebon glacier]

why do you want gforce now for

anyway

[wide cipher]

because i gave up trying to own a gaming pc in this economy

i used gfn in windows also

[ebon glacier]

oh

im hopeing prices go down in the next 10 years or i have enough money by then cuz i give away my computer ever time i upgrade

[wide cipher]

yeah i gave up my old 1070ti pc is it..., 2 years ago now ? suffered windows since then until i got the happy news of gfn binaries for linux getting released

[ebon glacier]

rn i got a intel laptop msi gl66 ive been trying to get rid of for a while now but no OS i moved the NVME into my main system 3 boot drives

preatty good laptop but no use case for it anymore

[wide cipher]

i have a rog ally xD, and a asus minipc

[ebon glacier]

i used to have 4 dell server units with a ton of ddr4 ram that i got rid off kept the ram

[wide cipher]

have their resale value gone up yet ?

[ebon glacier]

got rid of most of the server and enterprize switches i had

no not for the servers they tank hard after being used

[wide cipher]

oof

[ebon glacier]

sitting on a box of around 600gb of ddr4

[wide cipher]

damn, you could make a storage device of that

[ebon glacier]

what happened is to run all servers at full power costed around extra 1000$ a month on top of the 500$ i already pay for everything else

remember it was a home lab so no money being made

[ebon glacier]

as of 2025 i got into another hobby that cost way more than gaming

[wide cipher]

my power bill tanked to nothing when i gave up my gaming pc, don't really have much else using power

😅 outsourced powerbill to nvidia

[ebon glacier]

have you ever seen the prices of amateur radio equipment FM and AM radios

[wide cipher]

oof no but of the words in your sentence i can guess it's a lot

[ebon glacier]

transmitters receivers transceivers

for the best transceiver right now cost about 5 grand with all upgrades

theres a catch even then cant use it till you have a radio tower installed

that cost around 10 grand if you have professanal install it

[wide cipher]

😮 💸

[ebon glacier]

one guy near me got a 300 feet tower registared with the FCC and the FAA

that costed 30 grand to put up

after all the radios total spent was 40k

[wide cipher]

do you have in that hobby also illegall frequencies ?

that are reserved for state and military

[ebon glacier]

I currently hold an amateur radio license Class technician

3 classes in the united states

yes there are ones reserved for state and military

you can tune in on some of those when they allow it

like the mars frequencies

Military Auxiliary Radio System

if you trying to talk around the world HF best for that but for better acces need general class

got to be a tech before can be a general got to be a general before you can be an extra thats the final class

[wide cipher]

😮 interesting

[wide cipher]

i just know that the modern wifi 5 or whatever has most of it's bands banned so it's kinda piling everyting on 1 band

[ebon glacier]

look at the cost of this radio

[ebon glacier]

bluetooth and celluler wifi is part of the ISM bands

you can use those without a license but you're limited really heavily on how many watts you can use

[wide cipher]

first, ouch my eyes, flashbanged, second that pice is worth a name like flex 💪

[ebon glacier]

yea thats not final price theres upgrades you can buy

[wide cipher]

i just used to ddo band spreading in public wifi for 2,5ghz, and when we started using 5ghz those had alot less bands as most were hardware limited, atleast back then, because they are not allowed for public use

[ebon glacier]

the ISM bands where aways legel to use just cant break the rules

[wide cipher]

[ebon glacier]

like if you do so can face a fine up to 200K depending on what you did

FCC levies $200K in fines against Boston-area pirate radio operators

[ebon glacier]

yea best not to break the rules

[wide cipher]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#2.4_GHz_(802.11b/g/n/ax/be)
mainly worked on these, as it was like, 14+ years ago

[ebon glacier]

best chart to use

best part alot of amature radio gear works on linux

so we not locked into windows like we where for a long time

[wide cipher]

that's awesome! i like my workplace also officially letting us work on linux machines, also that chart doesn't work for me, as i'm in europe 😅

[ebon glacier]

oh yea drift laws yep

but yea i got an app i connect to my radio and can send digital morse code

[ebon glacier]

lucky for me that radio is HF so i cant use it we have little HF for tech not much so i stick to low price uhf and vhf radios i wish we had better vhf uhf radios that where pricey but we dont

[fading topaz]

Mind keeping the discussion in this channel specifically around PoE+Linux topics? (per the channel description)

[ebon glacier]

brother its says linux not poe = linux

[fading topaz]

For discussion on all the ways to run Path of Exile on linux

That's what the description says

[ebon glacier]

gonna go after me but not the others that are just talking about linux and not path of exile running on linux also the topic radio has to do with linux cuz software for those devices is on linux so still fits linux topic

[fading topaz]

Look dude. I'm not a mod. I'm not "going after" anyone

All of us here are enthused about linux and stuff you can do on it

I'm just asking that we try to stay on topic for this server

[ebon glacier]

did not notice that at the top aways looked at the coner should change the channel name

any way not alot of poeple here talking about linux for path of exile aways asking how to fix display drivers cuz no one here knows how to setup a basic driver on linux and i find it very funny

another thing i find funny people think proton is needed to run path of exile based on that can tell whos new to linux and has no idea how to fix or optimize the system to avoid using proton

[polar spruce]

if you arent using proton then how are you running poe on linux? just basic wine?

[pearl badger]

in what world is this statement helping anyone? gloating is such a bad trait

[ebon glacier]

yea

preatty much

[ebon glacier]

i run warthunder the same way not using proton

[ebon glacier]

warframe warthunder path of exile 1 and 2 runs perfectly with out proton

warthunder has an anti cheat that works aswell

[ebon glacier]

i did try proton for one game just to see if there was chance was for battlefield 6 i have secure boot enabled after signing the kernel and boot loader

[craggy pendant]

Not all Exiles retain their sanity

[zinc wing]

so, has anyone tried fsr4/goverlay's optiscaler? at the very least i haven't heard anyone getting banned

[patent fern]

You're likely to get answers like this one if you ask: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/25915703

As for getting banned/locked, I've seen some people posting in the past that have claimed that the "only thing" they ran on their system was some prettification hook like that, but flagged/banned peeps are maybe not the best source of truth.

In general, the more off-stock you have your system, the higher the chance is that something will look sus.
Historical experiences aren't necessarily valid over time either, as both the software and the game evolves.

The third section of the developer docs points out relevant parts of the ToU: https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs#policy

[halcyon moat]

widescreenfix 😄

that thing still works, maybe ggg whitelisted it

uses ultimate asi loader from github

[halcyon moat]

to make it work for ultra wide screens without black bars

Zao can you be our scapegoat and test this in a controlled environment?

https://gitlab.com/Ph42oN/dxvk-gplasync/-/releases

a few people mentioned they got false flagged because of this but it drastically improves the game FPS on Linux, up to x1.5 - x1.8 in juiced up maps

[patent fern]

No.

[halcyon moat]

:( company policies...

thank you

Zao at least is there a way, (some kind of request form) to send such helpful tools to ggg for whitelisting if they do approve?

[patent fern]

The post I linked earlier pretty much spells it all out.

[ebon glacier]

yes theres a back a few saying back door some arnt flagging it so i sent you a DM with sources i use to scan and test files

[ebon glacier]

i have an any run account i used to have a google business email used once got setup then canceled the subscription and now i have an any run account not strings attached i just got to use the email i used and password simple no need for the google email account part

[halcyon moat]

I have already read it, but what I sent you is not a third party app or tool you know that. It's a translation layer wrapper. I have also got further info from some people but do not know they are true or not. Seems like the game is only whitelisting official release builds of vanilla dxvk, other builds (CI or nightlies from git) also getting flagged

So is there any chance that they somehow "officially adapt" the dxvk-gpl-async and bundle it with the windows or Mac client? (Official Mac client would also perform better with this+moltenvk maybe?)

If they care about to implement this then people won't have such "sudden FPS drop" problems on Linux and possibly Mac anymore

Finally it would be smooth like Widows

if there's someone who can do that "official implementation" it's you

you are the only one who still cares about Linux

just like the trade website, this is also possible

[edgy sierra]

The only thing any *async branch of dxvk has ever done is skip rendering if the shader isn't already compiled. Any gain in performance is overwhelming going to boil down to objects not being rendered and will fizzle out over time as shaders are compiled in the background.

[ebon glacier]

any one can do it if you feel like losing ur sanity like i have

[patent fern]

I don't know anything about any supposed whitelisting.
My personal view is that running on Linux is outside of the normal bounds of operating game clients and comes with some risk - the more it strays from how Windows operates and looks, the weirder it may seem.
It's essentially substituting the whole platform under a game that expects actual Windows or actual macOS.

[ebon glacier]

i will say getting things working right is a challage but so far with my luck ive gotten alot of games to run on basic wine so far

[brisk geode]

What is your opinion on Zana’s motive?

[shell elm]

Random datapoint: Switched to Devuan linux 6.1, and everything still works fine with PoE2 on steam - kde plasma on wayland. However DLSS is now greyed out.

but I wasn't using it anyway

[halcyon moat]

<@&174997701513969665> nsfw spambot

[halcyon moat]

can you please check the game log to see why it's grayed out

[ebon glacier]

never seen an issue like for steam with proton but if run it with basic wine like i do wont have DLSS settings

[shell elm]

Sure if you can tell me where to look

2026/03/22 20:59:23 30214772 b335e2e9 [WARN Client 300] [RENDER] Failed to start device 2026/03/22 20:59:23 30214772 b335dd86 [WARN Client 300] [RENDER] Falling back to DirectX11 2026/03/22 20:59:23 30214772 62858759 [INFO Client 300] [RENDER] Starting device: DirectX11
I suspect this is the smoking gun?

even though in game it still shows it using vulkan

5070 with 595 driver

guess I could try setting it to dx12, even though it's just faking it and using vulkan anyway

[patent fern]

The game settings may not necessarily reflect that the fallback path to DX11 was taken.

I believe that if the log says it's doing it, it's doing it.

[shell elm]

026/03/23 13:56:24 583935 62858759 [INFO Client 300] [RENDER] Starting device: DirectX12 2026/03/23 13:56:24 583935 bdfe0c38 [INFO Client 300] [STREAMLINE] Init Start 2026/03/23 13:56:24 584191 bdfe0bdf [INFO Client 300] [STREAMLINE] Init in 0.245962 seconds 2026/03/23 13:56:24 584191 cb0f8ef6 [INFO Client 300] [STREAMLINE] Initialized (Enabled) 2026/03/23 13:56:24 584233 9082c339 [CRIT Client 300] [D3D12] Finding adapter failed 2026/03/23 13:56:24 584233 b335e2e9 [WARN Client 300] [RENDER] Failed to start device 2026/03/23 13:56:24 584233 b335dd86 [WARN Client 300] [RENDER] Falling back to DirectX11 2026/03/23 13:56:24 584233 62858759 [INFO Client 300] [RENDER] Starting device: DirectX11 Yeah that didn't help either

[patent fern]

Finding adapter failed doesn't sound great, suggests that display device enumeration in general might be a bit out of wack on your system.

[shell elm]

does it depend on systemd? If so, then that's the problem since this OS has no systemd

[patent fern]

Heaven knows what Proton uses to implement DXGI, but if that relies on some service on the dbus or something, possibly?

Heck, do you have any adapters in the display dropdown in Settings?

[shell elm]

it shows the 5070

2026/03/23 14:06:06 1165650 36ec7d35 [INFO Client 300] Enumerated output for adapter NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 of \\.\DISPLAY1

well whatever, performance seems identical with dx11 as it was with vulkan anyway and I don't use dlss

[ebon glacier]

got the correct launch option for steam i dont use steam i use the exe and i installed it with basic wine so i dont have no upscale

[ebon glacier]

can i ask what session you using kwin wayland or x11

renderer

should be using vulkan

or x11

use this command echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE

output is usually x11 or wayland

let me check my steam version i do have it installed

before using this remove the " at both ends of the command ensure that discord does not change crap "__GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=0 %command%"

sudo apt update
sudo apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-settings

sudo apt install mesa-utils
glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"

sudo apt install libvulkan1 vulkan-utils

vulkaninfo | grep GPU

nvidia-smi when installing nvidia settings

mine is longer it does not hurt the sysem my nvme is in a dock that i unplug and throw into my laptop when traveling

dont need to force proton compatbillity if you have wine installed if not force use it and pick the most up to date stable version

[shell elm]

Wayland

[ebon glacier]

alright way land will work

[ebon glacier]

able to vc

in a poe channel

cant even use the servers own discord server link to access privite rooms wow

[ebon glacier]

find privite room 2

[ebon glacier]

first thing we need to run is this sudo apt update
sudo apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-settings

in terminal

[shell elm]

sorry walked out the house just after that, I'm no longer near my pc

thanks for offering to help

[ebon glacier]

Ill be available tomorrow but testing poe something gone wrong blew up my kernel and while system was still running I tried to fix it that did not work so I got to reinstall my system all over again or chroot into it tomorrow 🙃

[shell elm]

Heh. Well I only recently switched to Devuan to get away from systemd, snap, and imminent age verification

like 2 days ago recent

It went surprisingly well tbh

I'd been on kubuntu for 13 years...

arch before that, and a whole host of other distros before that

[ebon glacier]

Been using arch ive used almost every distro except red hat

[ebon glacier]

im back

almost done installing crap

just taken a few hours about 3 hours to get all the packages i need cuz i build everything from scratch to get the system working nice ready to install my games drivers and what have you

[hollow saddle]

is CachyOS good for gaming ? also is kde plasma fine or is there better stuff?

i alr have games downloaded so i dont wna distro hop otherwise i have no other stuff, js games discord and steam

[ebon glacier]

any distro will work well

[hollow saddle]

and kde plasma is fine? or hyprland or openbox or whatever?

[ebon glacier]

kde plasma is good

i use wayland

and x11

both of those installed

right now im reinstalling everything cuz my other install got borked

[hollow saddle]

wayland? is it better than kde? idek what it affects, like what changes when i switch to openbox or wayland from kde

[hollow saddle]

how?

what borked it

[ebon glacier]

i was building a new app that uses wine to help games run better but after using it for a while borked the system

broked the kernel

you see i dont use proton

[hollow saddle]

kernel? popcorn kernel?

[ebon glacier]

i relie on my abillity to code fixes

[hollow saddle]

why would there be corn kernels in my pc?

[ebon glacier]

zen kernel

borked

what i mean currupted

[hollow saddle]

proton? anyother choice? like wine or lutris or whatever its name is

[ebon glacier]

just wine

i run the exe on wine and install my game using windows exe

right now fousing on getting secure boot setup again with sbctl

[hollow saddle]

also question, my game thats on ubisoft connect thru proton sometimes freezes and sometimes i cant even close it and its stuck there and even pkill doesnt work, not sure if it should work

division 2 for specifications

[ebon glacier]

idk i dont use proton

tried it once and it sucked when i install a game with steam i dont force use of proton or install it

time for the real fun to begin dealing with secure boot

[shell elm]

@ebon glacier I'm home now if you're free to investigate/help?

still falling back to dx11

actually I should just check xorg to see if that's any different

Yes, same on plasma/xorg

[ebon glacier]

yea i have no idea once i get time ill dig thou my system and see if those errors are the same for me

[shell elm]

I tried running the PoE2 executable directly instead of through steam and saw this
kf.kio.gui: Failed to determine systemd version, falling back to extremely legacy forking mode.
I wonder if that's somehow related (Devuan linux has no systemd)

[ebon glacier]

i think this is whats fucking you VKD3D-Proton

[shell elm]

What I've been trying to say; lack of systemd seems to be the issue

[ebon glacier]

i think you are right system issue

[shell elm]

anyway for whatever reason, dx11 is performing as well as vulkan used to

[ebon glacier]

dx has gotten better i will say

I have made a few contributions to the GitHub repo

for dx11 for linux

found my logs

in the wine prefix

not even gonna try to get logs for dx11 crashed my shit so fast

[shell elm]

lol I said don't worry about it

[patent fern]

We have GeForce Now at home:

Interacting with the Linux machine over a browser KVM is significantly better than the accursed Logitech K400 Plus wireless keyboard.

[patent fern]

My shipment of NanoKVM:s arrived today, got an USB 4K and a Cube. Quite nice to have a real machine right inside your browser (or standalone app).

[patent fern]

Heh, PoE2 yeets me to desktop after character select and strongly believes I am on controller.

[brisk geode]

I get that sometimes as well, it defaults the input to controller for some reason

[ebon glacier]

and i got accepted into any run can test more files and virus and see how they work yea

[rapid sun]

what setups are people running in PoE1?
I have some issues with shader and CPU time, game lags hard with a decent mob density or blight. Was crashing a lot earlier in the league and still do sometimes.

Currently kinda stable on DX12 and GE proton 10-33 via steam.

[brisk geode]

With my 7500x3d/9060xt DX12 with proton-cachyos the game runs fine, in juiced maps there is lag/fps drops but that is more due to the game

[ebon glacier]

vulakn no upscaleing ryzen 5 and 4060 arch linux basic wine no steam

i dont use proton at all ive figured out ways to get stuff to run with out proton and let it use wine

[patent fern]

Do you peeps have to fiddle much with Steam's fossilize layer, or do you disable shader pre-caching?
Does it do anything useful on Linux?

[brisk geode]

Never tested it much, but on CachyOs they recommend to turn off pre-caching. From what I read, the mesa drivers handle it for the most part without any issues

[ebon glacier]

nah

it does not do much

it helps with some games poe 1 and 2 and warthunder dont need it

[patent fern]

It's being a bit silly on my Windows machine, just hoarding numbered .foz files in my Steam tree.

[ebon glacier]

my windows install is busted rn

cuz microsoft sms is broken

when i disabled secure boot to fix my arch install windows locked it self

so

i got it back ima go fix windows brb

[ebon glacier]

my new improved steam launch option "PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/nvidia_icd.json %command%"

[edgy sierra]

I've had shader precaching disabled even pre-vulkan graphics-pipeline-library. My understanding (and it's a been a bit[and I've had a bit]) is that the shader precaching is beneficial in 2 cases, playing DX11 games and your vulkan drivers that do not support the vulkan graphics pipeline library extension (Dx12 has PSO's which translate well to Vulkan IIRC) and for patent encumbered codecs (Shader Pre-caching also serves videos transcoded from patented to FOSS codecs). If you're using Vulkan and or DX12 via vkd3d-proton there really shouldn't be any reason to keep them enabled unless the game has the problematic media codecs. IIRC Devil May Cry 5 is one, but it's also circumventable by using proton-ge which has a bit more liberty to work around patents by being independent. Sadly you can't toggle it on a game by game basis (RIP DMC5).

I don't think PoE or PoE2 has any patent encumbered video files (though I don't play PoE2 enough to know), so as long as you're using Vulkan/DX12 as the renderer things ought to be kosher.

[shell elm]

shader caching on linux has been all over the place with poe2 with different releases, some had it, then it disappeared, then it reappeared

it was like something changed in the poe2 build itself; for a while there I had a command line to force caching, but it now doesn't seem needed

[patent fern]

The PoEs have Bink videos, so out of the usual codec mire.

[edgy sierra]

Yeah That's what I thought. I took note of it when the Steam client ditched the ggpk to make the steam patching a bit less CBT oriented but things have since been made a bit more obfuscated so I wasn't willing to assert one way or the other.

[young bone]

are there any price checking tools that work particularly well with linux?

[fading topaz]

awakened poe trade works fine

Depending on your setup, you may or may not be able to use the overlay

but it still works through browser

[young bone]

this may be a stupid question but, how do i set up the overlay? or is just running the awakened app image essentially all there is to it

[fading topaz]

The overlay is on by default. You usually press one of the keyboard shortcuts (e.g. shift + space) to show it

If you're on Wayland, you'll possibly need some additional CLI arguments to get it to show

[young bone]

alright thanks, when i run with root i keep getting:

[0325/181942.031560:FATAL:electron/shell/app/electron_main_delegate.cc:216] Running as root without --no-sandbox is not supported. See https://crbug.com/638180.
Trace/breakpoint trap

might not be wokring on my system

[fading topaz]

Curious why it's saying you're running it as root. You can pass in the --no-sandbox parameter though

[patent fern]

Ancient words of wisdom rise to the surface in my mind.

Bork bork, don't IRC as root!

[young bone]

when i use without root the "mount_Awaken.." dir is not created:

./Awakened-PoE-Trade-3.28.101.AppImage 
[553471:0325/185829.205979:FATAL:sandbox/linux/suid/client/setuid_sandbox_host.cc:166] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /tmp/.mount_Awaken0Ma2TK/chrome-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)

[shell elm]

run it without root but add --no-sandbox

the security implications of doing that are not really deal breaking

but running as root is much worse

[ancient gorge]

anyone here have info on how I can try and find logs for why the game keeps crashing randomly, when Im running it via steam proton?

I have a hope if I can hunt down actual logs for wtf happened, I might be able to figure out what my OS is missing or at least figure out how to fix it

[rapid sun]

yea today my game keeps crashing...

[craggy pendant]

you could try checking the Client or LatestClient files in <LIBRARY_LOCATION>/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Path of Exile/logs if it's about poe2 then change the path to have Path of Exile 2

[ancient gorge]

I swapped to Proton GE and updated my kernel so I have the new NTSYNC module, unfortunately it doesnt seem to improve my fps in poe

Nor did it solve any of my crashing issues, oh well

[strong kraken]

wdym by "pak'd"? flatpak?

[halcyon moat]

what does it use for usb connection, usb over tcp?

[left veldt]

Anyone here with a 5700 xt? Im getting gpu crashes with the ring reset errors does anyone know a fix?

Using GE or steams proton doesnt change anything but this constant crashing is frustating

[gloomy gale]

Anyone else not being able to use Vulkan at all?? On cachy and since 3.28 cant switch to Vulkan renderer without the game instantly crashing, tried on Steam with proton and on launcher with custom wine.
Have to change manually to DX12 on config file to be able to launch again.

[heady grail]

I've had same issues, also on 5700 xt. Tried literally everything out there and nothing helped, might want to try dual booting windows 🥲

[patent fern]

Did you check to see if the Proton/Steam logs say much at all?
One recent crash penguin exiles had was around Unicode names/chat thst was fixable with protontricks, f.ex.

[patent fern]

This just exposes virtual KB+M and an optional physical port on the KVM, so not much richer than that.
Host gets a capture device for the video feed, a serial port for KVM control and an audio device of some sort.

[outer pagoda]

rx6700xt so similar deal, are you watching youtube/twitch in the background? i find they are often the cause, but some kernel/mesa/driver version mismatches can also cause issues

like kisaak-mesa was unstable with liquorix and latest amd drivers when i last used it

[ancient gorge]

Id have to figure out where I find those, but Ill take a look

[rapid sun]

switched poe 1 to use x11
seemed to stop my crashing.
never ran into a wayland issue before.
hopefully it was the fix I needed for perofrmance and crashing.

[minor frigate]

Oh wow, there is a linux channel. Perfect. What price checker do you guys use? I'm on Cachy.

(...that also works with Wayland)

Oh nevermind, i just remembered that I can use the Xwayland compatibility layer, and launch the Awakened PoE Trade that way.

You guys are the best.

[rapid sun]

Yea launching awakened poe with x11

[ancient gorge]

Damn x11 huh, Ill try that out and see if things are more stable

[patent fern]

IIRC, there's some env-var you can set to make Steam dump out a log file near your homedir and supposedly also a shell script to launch the program.

Not sure if your dmesg or journal will have a stack trace too.

[ancient gorge]

I got some log dumps and had copilot analyze the raw unwound call stack, it looks like my crash I keep having is related to a bad pointer or dereference involving font rendering stuff, is this possibly that fix you are referring to? and if so, mind pointing me to where this fix was discussed by chance 😄 was it a thread on official forums?

[patent fern]

Bing usp10 in this channel, people were having trouble with player names or chat messages that contained particular Unicode combining characters that Wine's stock font shaping blew up on but which a proper Uniscribe DLL handled.

[shell elm]

Okay I fixed my nvidia driver on devuan linux falling back to directx11 -> I removed the distro nvidia driver and installed it manually

[ancient gorge]

I think I found the posts in here, and tried the fix out... so far holding stable!

[shell elm]

now the only thing missing is the HDR option is still greyed out, and the triple buffering option always bounces back to ON no matter what I do

it REALLY wants me to keep it on

I can get HDR pseudo-working by enabling it in kde instead

also for the first time I now have nvidia reflex when choosing dx12

[ancient gorge]

query: did you try out the NTSYNC upgrade for wine yet? you may need to upgrade your kernel

[shell elm]

me? no

oh, running the game through gamescope unmasks hdr support

but it looks terrible wtf

oh gamescope can set hdr parameters

[shell elm]

ok the issue is it's not really passing through the HDR flag to the monitor so it's gonna look shit no matter what. Best I can do is the kde pseudo HDR

spent a few hours playing with flags and AI and came up empty handed, doesn't seem doable properly

oh well at least I got it off dx11, the performance increase is real

[ebon glacier]

few hours ago was covered in transmission fluid

no drain plug had to drop the pan and took a black shower of transmission fluid

[shell elm]

fun

[sleek lodge]

Does anyone have a script that auto launches and auto exits awakened poe trade when poe launches and closes?

[sleek lodge]

Nevermind, just wrote one myself.

[sleek lodge]

I'm actually setting up a repo for my dotfiles, and will up the script while I'm at it.

[sleek lodge]

In case anyone wants a script to auto launch/close awakened poe trade.
https://gist.github.com/Zuppan/8ae0861bd9508de2b21b3228d6d9124a

[hollow saddle]

should i download diablo 4 or poe1? also can i increase my linux partition size when im dual booting without having to install all my games and allat again? cuz i increased it once after i installed cachyos and it deleted all my stuff, and i already have some games so i dont wna download everything again

[ebon glacier]

could use the kill command kill <PID>

kill 5253

for the id number

[outer pagoda]

pid isnt static

[patent fern]

Most shells has the last PID in some variable you can store for later cleanup.

$!

I almost guessed right with $$ but that's the shell's PID.

Not to be confused with !$ which is the last part of the previous command line.

I need to get better at the shorthand for reusing previous lines, I only know that particular one.

[strong kraken]

pressing <M-.> inserts the value of !$

there's also !! for the entirety of the previous command line (sudo !! is a useful idiom)

^find^replace replaces the first instance of find in the previous command line with replace

[patent fern]

I love finding neat little tricks over time in tools you've used forever.
I remember asking a mate at the computer club how they were replacing a word in Vim.

I used to do things like cursor around and do stuff like d6h to remove characters I had manually counted out.

ciw for "this word I'm in, delete it and enter insert mode"

Finding out organically about motions in Vim, heh.

[ebon glacier]

means put the name of the proccess in that spot

if you dont have ur system setup for it gonna have to figure out what you need

[ebon glacier]

if you want to go the nerd rout what i did is make ur own task kill softwae mine is RSN and then the ID number of the task

example RSN 1456

[shell elm]

to my surprise, enabling boost with nvidia reflex made a noticeable difference to the fps

[ebon glacier]

ive been watching repos for other linux kernels and see what changes they are making and see if some of those changes can be applied to the ZEN kernel

ive already made some of my own very own changes that have boosted fps fpr path of exile and warthunder and warframe only games ive tested but the fps boost better on path of exile

[unkempt goblet]

Anyone else seeing FPS tank when near the mirage portal in maps? Anywhere else in the map my fps is great (140+) but when I get near the portal fps drops to 15-20. Just wondering if this is just a me issue.

[ebon glacier]

nah

what ya using steam and proton or steam and basic wine or just windows exe version running on wine

[cold cloak]

interest to this for PO2....

[sleek lodge]

I think this would work for poe 2 if you change app directory (and changed line 16 to match whatever you use for poe 2.

So just change Awakened-PoE_Trade to match the app you use for poe 2.

LATEST=$(ls -t "$APP_DIR"/Awakened-PoE-Trade*.AppImage 2>/dev/null | head -n1)

[unkempt goblet]

I ended up figuring the issue out and it turns out to be an mtx. If I open the map with the Ethereal Ashes of the Stars mtx equipped then I see these fps drops anytime I am remotely near the mirage mechanic in map... <shrug>

[patent fern]

Bit personally curious: D3D12/Vulkan, GPU, any particular odd settings in Steam/Proton?
Do you need corpses lying around for it to be worse?

[unkempt goblet]

Vulkan, 5080 gpu running through steam. Didn’t try anything specific with corpses but my build doesn’t destroy them in anyway. Tried many different config options with little to no difference before figuring out it was the mtx but have been fine since.

[rapid sun]

did that usp10 via protontricks. I legit think that was the cause of all my crashes. have not since.
damn fonts strikes again

[patent fern]

☃

[halcyon moat]

oh that sounds cool and interesting

I thought it's one of these remote streaming things at first

relaying usb over network as well due to you are viewing it inside a browser tab

[burnt fossil]

anyone else crashing a lot these days?

[patent fern]

Ah, a Linux enjoyer.
A recent cause peeps here has found is if you don't have usp10 installed via protontricks or similar methods, some user-sourced text in game may crash the client.

Wine's stock text shaping trips up on particular glyph sequences.

[burnt fossil]

ty!@

[proven needle]

https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/releases/wine-11.0

might be time for another test drive of linux

[void flint]

someone was fucking with font change on proton? the method that use font substitution through regedit

[fading topaz]

In terms of Wine 11, for anyone using Proton-GE, it would have likely had the NTSYNC feature for a while. Wine 11 came out in January, and Proton-GE likely included it even earlier than that (it tends to go on bleeding edge)

[normal cape]

yeah every so and so

[ebon glacier]

might need to rm -rf the application and reinstall then reinstall my games

ive been programing fixes on my own i do hope they new version does what they say it does

PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/nvidia_icd.json %command%

[proven needle]

haven't used linux since about may last year, so I might give it a shot soon

And honestly, things running well out of the box for everyone is always good.
Proton GE isn't hard to use, but I know enough people who would be scared of isntalling pretty much anything by themselves

[ebon glacier]

this axios is nuts

the hack

[burnt fossil]

hi, i am one of those people XD

[outer pagoda]

eh the axios hack itself is kinda w/e coz it was caught early, the bigger problem is how frequently teampcp/xplo1ters/boxturtle are doing these disruptions

[ebon glacier]

need more checks need to happen before pushing an update that someone added

[outer pagoda]

in a few cases those checks were just completely skipped over or wouldnt do anything

i think it is axios contributors who cant access any of their accounts or revoke access from the one that pushed the RAT

frankly with their shenanigans im enjoying watching the javascript environment dive from the gradle to the grave

[ebon glacier]

im wating for the day when Java and JavaScript get replaced

[outer pagoda]

neh java has its place

webdev just needs a hard reset

[ebon glacier]

it has a place but needs to be replaced

programing language cobol its replacement is over due

keep in mind cobol came out in 1959 and banks still use it and ATMS

[ebon glacier]

rn im just happy cuz i was building an app that is gonna use NPM but ima find something thats closed source

to replace it

cd radio-app

npm not gonna put that the command for this not sure if its fixed yet or if it will ever be fixed

node server.js

i need to come up with a better name for my app

for radio ham and gmrs and ism

[gloomy gale]

Anyone else not being able to use Vulkan at all?? On cachy and since 3.28 cant switch to Vulkan renderer without the game instantly crashing, tried on Steam with proton and on launcher with custom wine.
Have to change manually to DX12 on config file to be able to launch again.

[craggy pendant]

I played 3.28 on Vulkan just fine

[halcyon moat]

I miss the Toucan

Wish GGG had allowed all Toucan copypastas in the game just for one day on April's Fools

Or if the game had replaced everyone's usernames with "Lé Toucan" in the game chat

Praise the Toucan

[patent fern]

In general, client logs or proton logs might help chat with troubleshooting.

[ebon glacier]

id like to IMFORM YALL if you are using limine boot loader dont update ur system at all

i dont care how bad its needed dont till this shit is fixed or you risk bricking ur entire system and it is hard ASF to fix

good 3 hours

[patent fern]

Instinctually I want to update my Linux machine now to see what happens.

Heh, small userland spinlock regression from scheduler changes 😄 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-7.0-AWS-PostgreSQL-Drop

[brisk geode]

it's "just" a secureboot issue that breaks limine

[ebon glacier]

if you wanna spend 4 hours fixing shit go ahead

[ebon glacier]

installed a fork of systemd to replace the other one

[patent fern]

Gonna have to pave this machine regardless, the compositor or login greeter is krangled.

[patent fern]

I wonder if its related to changing my UID, GID and group after install to match my remote hosts. So frustrating when installers don't let you choose.

[strong kraken]

arch manual install ftw again

[patent fern]

I've done Linux from Scratch in my youth, way too much Gentoo, and even Net/OpenBSD where you edited partition tables in vi.
I want my chill now ^_^

[proven needle]

never realy got the point behind manual installs, unless you're actively doing kernel changes and all that shit beforehand.
I usually just get endeavour os tbh

[ebon glacier]

endevor os no longer pushes updates relying on the maintaners of the software now

that project the devs that worked on it no longer supporting it

[patent fern]

Paved my box last night, made a placeholder user first with the meh UID/GID and then manually created the proper one.
Generally seems to work thus far, apart from some full desktop stutters over video capture, but that might be from my host system as things like the F1 menu in-game shows a solid 60.

[proven needle]

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here.
Didn't endeavour just push an updated iso in march?

[ebon glacier]

the devs that put it togather no longer updates it so there own kernel does not get updates anymore

the project died

[proven needle]

Where are you getting this information from?
There is nothing online about this.

[ebon glacier]

you never knew this been dead for a while only reason it still works is others keeping the github repos up to date

[proven needle]

There's official updates and releases regularily.
Once again, where did you get this from?

[ebon glacier]

https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/the-end-of-a-project/55573

some of the projects for the os where canceled

it will get its updates but barly anything will change

https://www.reddit.com/r/EndeavourOS/comments/1o8lxrr/is_endeavouros_still_being_developed/

alot of the projects that endeavouros started is dying not getting offical updates mostlyb relying on git repos now

the core of what makes endeavour os is not being updated

[proven needle]

I mean, endeavour os is just arch in the end.
It seems to be just fine from what I saw, and the post just mentioned no big features are going to be developed for it anymore.

[ebon glacier]

the distro not dead in terms of the people that use it or the fact its arch based not an issue at all but the fact is alot of the options for the system arent gonna be getting a make over at all or have more changes added

the core identity is dead

i primarly use arch linux but i do have endevour os on a laptop ill reinstall the os from time to time new fresh iso and alot has not changed

but they have done a few Refreshments just not as often

[halcyon moat]

hey you are still young!

[zinc wing]

why is both poe1(black screen) and 2(fps low) not working properly under vulkan using proton for me?
mesa 26.0.3
9070xt
proton cachyos

ive heard this game is better for vulkan but not for me? is there a specific setup?

i had to switch to dx12 which works great but just curious

[outer pagoda]

i had a similar issue using proton experimental in steam (was reading my dgpu as integrated, causing it to not initialize vram), do you have access to an alternate version of

[zinc wing]

from searching around its also probably due to wayland

[halcyon moat]

no both games work fine on Wayland

check your poe log or post it here

[fading topaz]

For some people Vulkan works better and others DX12

[zinc wing]

ahh thought its just a blanket vulkan better

[fading topaz]

I mean at the end of the day it all gets converted to Vulkan

[zinc wing]

in anycase i tried wayland=0 it was actually better in terms of fps stability but not for going vulkan

[zinc wing]

btw im curious anyone got a similar spec to me?
5700x3d 9070xt
max settings no fsr 1440p

around 80fps on non juiced t15 maps with 1% around 40s lol
what's your fps like?

[ebon glacier]

yo

[brisk geode]

Did a couple of quick alc and go t16.
avg 172 / 1% low 70
1080p / everything max / dx12 and no fsr
7500x3d / 9060xt

[zinc wing]

hmm i wonder if 1080p is that much different or its my cpu

[zinc wing]

NIS even with resolution at 77% (1970 x 1108) is just 150fps~ 1% 90fps

at literally just standing up

goes down to 90 if i try to fight

[brisk geode]

That happens, not like poe is the most optimized game in the world.

[shell elm]

it's also not terrible

[pastel owl]

Is anyone else also experiencing the bug where awakened poe trade is like always a layer above poe so you can't interact with the game at all? I've tried the bin and git and also the appiamge and all of them have the same issue

[brisk geode]

You have to launch it in x11 mode

[cold cloak]

witch distrib, because somes have a better use with vulkan. try cachys os ( cachyos-rc kernel)

[fossil frost]

https://pixelcluster.github.io/VRAM-Mgmt-fixed/

New VRAM management tech, might help out a lot with performance if you're hitting VRAM limits.

[zinc wing]

im literally on cachyos

[patent fern]

How well does Proton and the Linux drivers communicate dynamic VRAM budgets to games?

Or are the titles just flying blind, trusting whatever slivers of information they get?

[ebon glacier]

idk i dont use proton

[patent fern]

Wine-like du jour.

[ebon glacier]

just using wine for all my games

[brisk geode]

There has been a few band-aid "fixes", but essentially the advice is to get a card that has more vram than you need

[pastel owl]

worked, appreciate it

[ebon glacier]

new challage for today getting NIXOS setup boot straping that bitch building everything onto the ssd using arch migrating over

[ebon glacier]

Lol @patent fern having lots
Of fun rn building shit from source setting up drivers nix os

[ebon glacier]

yea i know i can figure it out no idea how long it too i tried to play warthunder on it that whent as you would expect shit did not even try to work

[strong kraken]

i hope you have a better time on nixos than I do

[ebon glacier]

i already have everything working flawlessly steam and my games and drivers

i built the system using arch linux via boot strapping

so its there if i ever wanna use it

[strong kraken]

making the system work is not really the part i dislike

[ebon glacier]

its the same when it comes to installing games and drivers

this command sudo nixos-rebuild switch will be there forever

building iit from source via boot strapped and set evertything then run that command i listed discoverd it this not work boot back into arch and chroot into the system

about a 3 hour proccess first time with nixos

[pastel owl]

Dumb question but did anything change today for poe? yesterday i had no issues with the game and from this morning the game starts rubberbanding and then automatically closing

I haven't updated anything on my system so im super confused

[fading topaz]

No announced patches that I'm aware of

[jolly star]

was just about to ask as well, no rubberbanding but my game freezes for 1-2 sec before crashing. until yesterday i've had a few crashes in mirage but now its like 20 today

[pastel owl]

yeah idk its insane sometimes the game just auto closes while im afk in hideout

i just had a streak 3 hours with no crashes and now i insta crash when i load in

[jolly star]

exactly the same here