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[unreal needle]

plenty of people would take part and do that

rotas are a thing since the beginning of poe and they exist for all sorts of things. Mapping and rotating rituals wouldn't be an issue

[manic plover]

you're defending this way too hard lol

[unreal needle]

Its irritating when edge cases declare GGG fucked up something because their specific scenario isn't the one catered for lmao

[manic plover]

every other league you could play fine in a 'random group' and everyone got a fair share of the loot, now that doesn't work

mmm I guess I wasn't aware that no one ever plays random groups only edge cases

[unreal needle]

id wager that random group play is near the level of pvp

at least when taken seriously and as the way they play

[manic plover]

If you're correct about that, I'll just have to skip the season then, I know sometimes when there is an issue that enough people have a problem with they try to fix it, which is why I joined the discord, to see if I was the only one who thought this made the game unplayable, but it seems as an 'edge case' this season just isn't for me, which is unfortunate because I'd been waiting since november for the new season to pick the game back up

[unreal needle]

Just create a group and you'd be fine lol

or play in random groups and ignore ritual because the ritual content would be less than 20% of your team's loot anyway

[manic plover]

I rarely have time to play more than 1 map at a time so I can't really do rotas and such, I don't have that much time to play uninterrupted

[unreal needle]

in general though the game is balanced around and designed for solo play in trade leagues with some interaction. Which is why the economy of the game and /trade will affect balance, especially rarity changes

if you have the time to find a random group that is worth being in and active you have the time to map lmao

out of curiousity why don't you want to play in anything other than random groups? You are the first person i've ever met in any game that actually wants that

[manic plover]

because that's the easiest way, I have intermittent play time so it's easy if I can just sit down, join a random party from the social page, and run whatever I was running (I usually do this for all of the acts) and after I run out of time, whether it was 1 'quest' or a few I can just bail, then when I have some more time I can do the same thing.

[unreal needle]

honestly the easiest thing to do would be to play solo

[manic plover]

I'm perfectly capable to playing through everything solo but it's just more entertaining to have some random people running around with you

[unreal needle]

Is it though? You lack any of the social elements if you just pop in and out of random groups and never stay long

[manic plover]

sure, you get to see how everyone else plays if nothing else

[unreal needle]

you dont get the drop advantages either

as its a random group its clearspeed would be lower to the point that it probably ends up with less loot despite the increase inherent in party play

as i doubt you'd be doing sub 2 min maps

[manic plover]

I guess I wasn't clear what I was talking about, I'm not talking about mapping with random groups, I'm talking about playing though all the acts, when I said 'map' earlier it was for lack of a better term, I was talking about the points on the world map in 'U' as maps, as I mentioned I only started today I am only in act 4, I haven't made it to maps yet lol, but acts 1-3 I ended up with 6c as ritual loot and 0c as normal loot, thus it seemed terrible to me that I would get 6c for playing a1-3 solo and 0c for playing a1-3 in a random party so I thought I'd hop on discord and see if I was the only one with this problem, because having played through the game many many times, I find it more entertaining to run through all of the acts with a party because it's just the same stuff over and over so at least with a party it is a little more enjoyable

[unreal needle]

ah right

ofc you have more c from ritual in acts 1-4

but get to endgame and ritual will be a couple big ticket lottery win style items and then maybe 1-5% of your loot

[manic plover]

I figured as much, but it's pretty backwards for me because I usually play all the acts with a party and map solo but I need all the currency I can get running through the acts to gear up, I guess I should just deal with it on my first char and when I make my next a couple c from ritual won't matter as much

[past mango]

question on how ritual vessels work: so you use it on an individual ritual altar and it saves all the monsters that were killed in it. then what?

[glad thicket]

Is it possible to lose Deferred items if you skip doing ritual on some maps?

[devout osprey]

if you completely skip the rituals then u wont lose deferred items

[glad thicket]

thanks

[violet maple]

is it possible for rituals to not spawn on a map if you've out-leveled it?

[devout osprey]

no

[violet maple]

I haven't seen a ritual on a map in a while now

[next epoch]

When you say "map", do you mean an endgame map area or do you mean a world area in general

[violet maple]

world area in general

i'm only in Act 6

[next epoch]

What level are you?

[violet maple]

I'm level 58. i just reached the prison. but i haven't seen a ritual in mud flats, karui fortress, and the ridge

[devout osprey]

the last fight in act 6 is level 50 area so it sounds like youre overleveled

[next epoch]

You're 11 levels above the area. You've probably hit the point where you're considered too high level to spawn league encounters in those areas -- time to get a move on 🙂

[violet maple]

ahh okay

no problem, lol i was having trouble so i thought i'd grind a little bit and get more passive

is there a list of level ranges i can take a look at?

[next epoch]

if you open the quest/map and hover over areas on the map, it'll show you the level of the area

alternatively, if you've got the minimap open (tab), it'll show the area level in the upper right corner

[thorn sparrow]

How does ritual vessel work? I stored 44 monsters with one, and 50 with another then used both on a map, but the ritual on the new map didn't spawn any extra mobs... very lackluster

[open cargo]

Anyone also had this happen to them?

[neat summit]

dw ur not alone lul ... act 7 lvl 60 ... when actual lvl 60 areas are all the way in act 10 xD

its just too easy to get distracted while doing story and end up overleveling either to do a league mechanic or get that extra point

[balmy imp]

Anyone know exactly how to spawn maeven, with 100% chance, or is that not possible? The maeven end game fight that is, not her minions

[gilded sluice]

If you open a map but not do any of the ritual encounters in it, only clear the mobs around the altar, does that count as a tick for deferred items?

[neat summit]

no

u have to activate the ritual for it to start giving u currency ... and when u do that that counts as accepting the regions ritual table and sparks the difference check

[violet maple]

to be fair i got quite a bit of uniques out of it, including a tabula ... so i'm not unhappy about it. i do have a belly of the beast on defer though

[violet nymph]

do deferred items stay only for the area they appear in and then are lost if not deferred again?

[devout osprey]

if you defer an item it will show up later area/map with reduced price.

[violet nymph]

and then if I don't purchase it in the later area and leave that area

does it keep appearing indefinitely, or not at all?

[violet nymph]

^ same bro, i want to know aswell

[spice cipher]

if you dont interact with rituals then it stays deferred

otherwise if you touch a ritual and have a deferred item you have to defer it again, buy it outright, or it will recover some of its cost and then poof

[unique perch]

does ritual defer transfer through different characters?

[blissful onyx]

Sometimes I close a map and forget to look at my ritual rewards =/

[fading walrus]

[storm crown]

do we know how to increase the average tributes? is it just packseizes and juicing hte map?

[inner pulsar]

Pack size, map jucing, blood vessels.

[inner pulsar]

It does not.

[flat oriole]

If a have a region that "maven" is watching, do I need to do that maven token on that region map in order to have her watch other region?
So I have her watching region1, I run region2 for a while but dont see her warning watching me
Thanks

[void wing]

If this is the 1st region she has started watching, finish her gauntlet there once.

[next epoch]

🎉

[flat oriole]

thanks

[carmine vigil]

finally

also act 6 onwards seem great for loot compare to act 1 to 5

[peak terrace]

act 6 got tabula poggers

also i just killed arakali and i am lvl 61 .... overleveled af

[verbal crest]

wait why did she drop this if I need more bosses?

[rigid stream]

Thats the tradable thing

It is a random drop

[verbal crest]

why would someone want it?

I guess I dont understand

just so they dont have to farm 10 bosses?

like a convenience thing?

[rigid stream]

No, you need that to do the 10 Boss Fight

You have to Catch the Bosses First yourself though

[verbal crest]

oh the 10 boss fight isnt like the others?

[rigid stream]

Yes

Because its repeatable

[verbal crest]

oh, so you can fill out an entire tree?

[rigid stream]

No you can only get Up to 10 points

But you get extra Drops from the 10 boss fights

Watchstones, maven splinters

[verbal crest]

oshabi and I gonna have words if she doesnt show up soon

[cedar wigeon]

Anyone tried buried riches atlas asc?

[keen ibex]

Is it possible to get Ritual bases with Temple mods? Seeing as you can get Temple mods in the ritual rewards

[eager terrace]

maybe search trade

I haven’t seen one

[cyan tapir]

hey guys, does anyone know if there is a max amount of areas when i can see a defered item guaranteed again? Like: a defered item will reappear within 10 area/maps.
i defered a 6L 6 maps ago and was wondering if its gone

[eager terrace]

it can take a while

the more expensive something is the rarer it will be to come back after deferred

[empty swan]

I deferred 6L in act 6 and seen it again in act 10, so have fun

[hasty trout]

What determines how many ritual pts I get per ritual?

I.e. does it scale with quantity/rarity/pack size?

[blazing nimbus]

I have deferred 6l like 5 times and it's still like 10k, but most I ever get is life 6k in a map. Only just in yellows. Do red maps give more or do I need to use the ritual vial thing to get more favor get it?

[cunning blade]

Mob number and rarity it seems@hasty trout

Killing the boss before doing any rituals really amps up the tribute numbers if the boss has a ritual circle on him too

[velvet palm]

Deferred a piece of shit maul in mudflats, only saw it again in act 6

That rng seems questionable

[tardy spear]

Deferred a exalted orb because i had 6800 teibute instead of 6830 ran around 50 maps havent seen it yet

[quiet blaze]

I've had a deffered exalt since league start

Welcome to ritual baby

[proper matrix]

Does Map quantity affect ritual items?

[agile idol]

Am I the only one who hasn't seen an ex or an item close to value of an ex yet in rituals lol. 50 atlas bonus btw

I've seen shards twice but otherwise my best items were a 35c 6l and a 24c del.orb 😢

[agile idol]

I've heard that map tier doesn't really influence the favor gain drastically, but deferring items will make them obtainable longterm. The discount stacks

Its kind of like how delve worked on release where white maps gave 80% of the Sulphite that red maps gave

[blazing nimbus]

yeah i think you're right.. just ran some higher tier maps and got ~3500 out of 4 alters.. unid rare map

got like 5k+ on lower tier maps

so... still not sure how to influence the amount

[agile idol]

Some rituals just have bad favor too. They don't spawn enough mobs

[blazing nimbus]

if i keep deferring (have an exalt and 6l proph).. it's possible they both show up together and not enough to defer both

[agile idol]

Its a bunch of cogs turning and one jam means your rituals all suck

[blazing nimbus]

map layout matter? like waterways is bad because narrow paths?

[agile idol]

6l proph lol I'm the only one that doesn't have a ritual item that secures my build to red maps i guess gg

[agile idol]

I've read certain maps do suck. Not sure specifically why but I can assume mob density

[blazing nimbus]

i'm thinking i should fill a ritual vessel.. check first altar each map and if defferred 6l proph is there then use the vessel on the last altar to boost the favor increasing odds?

or wait.. you have to use it on map device huh

[agile idol]

You have to use your vessel blindly yes

At map creation

If they buff the bad rituals it might be worth holding onto your vials for now

[blazing nimbus]

hmm so just perma run w/ filled vessels until i get the 6l proph?

[agile idol]

Just defer it every time you see it, should have it within 4 defers

[blazing nimbus]

i've deferred it like 6-7 times already

and lost an exalt to defer it one of those time

[agile idol]

Ah must be a very expensive prophecy

[blazing nimbus]

it started over 10k.. i think it's down to 6500 ish

[agile idol]

You dont have to defer it every time, as long as it's value doesn't rise to base value it won't go away

[blazing nimbus]

but all the sudden i'm getting 3500 from map instead of usual 5500.. must just be bad maps

wait, what?

[agile idol]

And it takes like 3 rituals of no defers for it to raise back from one deferral discount

[blazing nimbus]

ohh it stays deferred until it goes back to normal price? further deferrals just reduce the overall cost more and more?

[agile idol]

Yes

Until you can afford it

[blazing nimbus]

probably still worth doing though

i've never seek 6k+ in one map yet

so probably better to keep dropping it to ~5k or less?

[agile idol]

Thats why you can have like 10 deferrals going at once

You'll be juggling a lot the more you play and see big items

[blazing nimbus]

ohhhh

so didn't lose that exalt.. another showed up next map thought it was just lucky

it was the same one lol

[agile idol]

If it was deferred it gets a border

If you didn't defer it you got insane luck

[blazing nimbus]

wasn't paying attention.. was in first several white maps

i deferred it once, and deferred the 6l proph

then they both showed up at same time and could only afford to defer one

thought i lost the other

makes more sense now

[agile idol]

Nah yeah you just lost some of the discount on the exalt then

Just don't let it pass by too much or you will lose it

I think it will have a unique warning border

[blazing nimbus]

got it.. it shows those details on hover

now i understand why

[agile idol]

Like red instead of gold

[blazing nimbus]

😄

ty friend, very helpful!!

[agile idol]

[blazing nimbus]

imma get that 6l by end of the day!!

heres to your RNG improving!!

[signal swan]

it seems that rituals also takes into account the extra packs from conqs, legion, and all that, so maybe scarabs will help

[mortal folio]

I think they fixed the legion issue

I had a legion right next to a ritual this morning and i still used the ritual without using the legion altar

[signal swan]

the patch notes specified legion chests spawning in rituals, though, not the other stuff

[white lodge]

what does this colours mean?

both are defered so what is the difference?

[signal swan]

red border means it's the last chance to defer, else it disappears

the other border means if you don't defer, it will still reappear, but will go back up in price as though you lost a defer stack.

[white lodge]

thanks

[reef hamlet]

Does order of ritual completion affect tribute total for a map?

For instance if you started with a boss ritual so every ritual for the map had the boss

[slender temple]

I think so

[rigid stream]

Maybe, people suspect it but dont have hard data

[agile idol]

Huh glad I was right in my message above. I couldn't really remember off memory lol

[hushed sequoia]

Anyone having issue w crimson township boss?

[rigid stream]

so i have proof now, the order you do rituals does NOT matter

rituals have a fixed cap per area that you cannot exceed

[primal cave]

So, I found a 6-link in ritual in SSF, its about 6.5k tribute and I have 5.3k in this map. How do I make sure I have enough tribute in a later map if i defer it?

Its ES base and im playing ES

Do I just defer it infinitly until i afford it?

Or can I somehow use ritual orbs to force it

[bitter locust]

You can use ritual vessels to increase favor but I don't think there's a way of knowing the deferred item will show up the time you do it. Continuously deferring it is totally an option though

[primal cave]

6.5k, thats about 1k deferal fee so guess ill always afford that

[placid drum]

Anyone know if you can use multiple vessels (to capture the rituals) per map? i.e. use one on boss totem, then one on the next one?

Or should I for-science

[rigid stream]

Use it only ob the Last one, it has the Most mobs

[placid drum]

I'm gonna for science, use on last, then go back to boss one and use there, see what happens

they're easy to get anyways

So if you want the bosses, you HAVE to use vessel on the one the boss was in the first time (not the ones after), interesting note, if you use 1 on each boss one in excavation, you get 1 of each boss vessel

[vast gazelle]

so when does envoy stop cyberstalking me and maven start showing up

ive seen him like four times

[placid drum]

you have to have the citadel unlocked for a region, and I THINK do a conqueror fight the first time. It was hard to keep track of how exactly it happened when it first unlocked for me. But I know you need to 100% have the citadel unlocked.

[vast gazelle]

i c i c

i havem ost citadels and 3 conqs down so i guess its a matter of time?

[final umbra]

THEY GOT RID OF DOOR RITUALS DEAD GAME I LOVED THAT

[vast gazelle]

[bold finch]

Did a search for this around here but can't find an answer. Does this mean I won't get Chaos Orbs in rituals again or just that this specific orb drop will be gone?

[bitter locust]

Just that specific deferred one

[bold finch]

Awesome. Thanks!

[hybrid cosmos]

does someone know if Bosses give more tribute? Any Reference? Would it be worth to Vessel Bosses?

[rigid stream]

Yes Bosses give more tribute

[hybrid cosmos]

so 3 bosses in vessels would make a high amount of tribute.. i see

[spare imp]

so can anyone give me the tldr of when to use ritual vessels? They seem to be easy to aquire, judging by their price on poe ninja. Do you just use it to get more tribute to buy more things? or does it do something else like give more rewards in the tribute menu?

[lusty axle]

i don't get how the mechanic is even useful

like even if i can technically get 20k tribute, if the rewards are crap it doesn't really matter

but i only know if the rewards are crap after i started the ritual?

[spare imp]

basically i haven't been watching any streamers or seen discussions on ritual vessels, and haven't used one yet, but I have a few saved up. I basically don't know what the general consensus is on them.

[hybrid cosmos]

i have defered gear in the worth of 40k tribute.. somehow you need more tribute

[lusty axle]

hm

[hybrid cosmos]

also you have 20% improved rewards (more 6l etc)

[spare imp]

so like, when should i use the vessel on something? On any altar? the last one? if the boss is within the altar?

[rigid stream]

The Last one in Higher Tier maps

[spare imp]

so just save them until i get to high-yellows / reds?

[rigid stream]

Yes. In Higher Tier Maps you can get better rares

And better Maps etc

[spare imp]

cool. thanks a bunch. So the way I understand it, they're basically just used to juice maps, not much else to it?

[junior belfry]

So each ritual in a zone gets harder and harder right? I’m not crazy?

Third ritual always seems crazy

[spare imp]

Yes, they summon all the monsters that spawned in the previous rituals, in addition to the ones for that ritual

[junior belfry]

Aha so third ritual is laterally triple the first one

[spare imp]

I believe so.

[junior belfry]

I have started to only do two per map. Thirds have been tough.

[placid drum]

First one of these.... what exactly do I "do"? Because I don't have anything witnessed in glennach atm, or is it just like random bosses thrown in or something?

[rigid stream]

why is lira arthain such a sad atlas region

[cunning blade]

wdym

[rigid stream]

it has super einhar? and some extra blight encounters

thats about it

[gloomy smelt]

anyone know what happens to deferred items if you start a new character? will they have a chance of showing up on the random rituals found in acts?

[rigid stream]

no

its per char base iirc

[wanton rivet]

after i beat the 3 boss maven fight do i have to collect the same bosses again

so do i need her to watch 4 bosses to get the next invite? this is so confusing lol

[rigid stream]

you have to watch any 4 bosses of an acceptable lvl in that zone

[tall shore]

Does maven not always show up to watch a boss encounter?? I have the logo clicked.. but sometimes i kill the boss and then it doesnt get added

it was a new map I havent run before either, so i dont get why she wasnt "watching" it

[lost creek]

hi, is there a limit how many times we can defer the same item ?

[scenic glade]

Is there a time cap on doing a ritual after you killed the mobs around it? Sometimes I only get like 100-200 favour if the last ritual I finish is the one I cleared out first

[rigid stream]

yes there is a cap on tribute

but it doesnt matter what order you do them in, you can only get X favor total

[scenic glade]

That is so weird. So some rituals are just randomly capped at like 200 tribute?

[golden marten]

Mine got capped at 3400, I just popped in here to ask why

This is a bit annoying

[scenic glade]

If that really is the case that is incredibly shitty. I was wondering why my last ritual only gave me 200 tribute even though it should've been stacked from the ones before.

[wanton rivet]

tribute maxes out? ig thats why the last ritual doesnt feel as rewarding lol

[signal swan]

It would be very very annoying if the order did matter and we had to backtrack back from the boss.

[verbal crest]

any double corrupt hunters?

[wanton rivet]

those affixs are kinda lame :(

[abstract lion]

what is the ritual vessel for and how do we use it

[dusty lichen]

bless papa Chris

[abstract lion]

pretty cheap too

[dusty lichen]

yeah had to defer 3 or 4 times, it was like 6k or so

[abstract lion]

best ive found is just an ex and it was like 7k

[south plover]

can you not go back to old areas to spawn rituals?

do we know the spawning rules for rituals if you are over leveled for the zone? I'm level 88 and can't make them in act 4.

[ocean narwhal]

hmm, I got haewark hamlet points

not sure what to spend them on

Syndicate maybe, but i got like 2 million favour from masters unspent already lol

[obtuse pond]

if i defer an item does it have a chance of comming up again in the future or only on the current map ?

[plucky fractal]

In other zones, would be useless otherwise lol.

[next epoch]

if it's anything like previous leagues, the threshold for league content spawning for endgame characters is around Harbour Bridge

[south plover]

Hmmm, alright. That's a shame.

[next epoch]

there might be a few areas before that which also spawn league content, but most of the other areas in a8 aren't useful for league content farming

quarry in a9 is also popular

[pliant ravine]

can anyone tell me what this means?

[rigid stream]

Yes, they will drop random valuable stuff

A Stack of currency, 5L 6L sac frags and Other Things

[jagged surge]

guys, how the fuck, as caster, am i supposed to survive to proxy shield rares into rituals?

even with block, as staff caster, this is fucking dangerous in t6, cant imagine t14+

[dusty umbra]

@jagged surge define caster ) how much life and other migitation you have? Do you have cwdt ic or steelskin setup eand so on

[jagged surge]

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/ouis/characters

3k9 hp, 2k freemana for agnostic, EC, FC, spell block, block, cwdt vortex / steelskin with steelskin enchant

[jagged surge]

any feedback @dusty umbra ?

[silver cave]

Does anyone know if ritual shop rewards are affected by iir or iiq?

[rigid stream]

Your own? No. Map iiq... Ehh dunno probably Not though

Tribute probly is affected though

[empty swan]

How "your hits treat cold resistance as 10% higher than actual value" work?

[rigid stream]

Whatever the enemy final res is

Its 10% higher

[empty swan]

And why would I want my enemy have +10% cold resistance?

[random imp]

I just want to say. I specced into the "Invasion Bosses drop a valuable item."

Three invasion bosses on this map.

1. Unid Rare Unset Ring
2. 5L 6S Carnal Armor
3. Two pairs of Conjurer's Boots, rare.

What a scam.

[empty swan]

7 Jews is 7 jews

[rigid stream]

I got so far... 2 stacks of 9 silver coins, some sac Fragments, a 6L unique, some 5l6S rares and Other stuff

Its probably one of the better nodes in all passive trees

[empty swan]

You forgot "Call Einhar to witness map boss" of Lira Arthain

[rigid stream]

How good is that?

[empty swan]

Einhar just kills (2x ability spam, 11 times damage to boss) your boss on map if his mission happened there, that's it

[rigid stream]

So... Get a bestiary scarab for EZ mapping?

[empty swan]

Well up to you, I will take blight map chance first in that area

[rigid stream]

Lira arthain as a whole is a Bit meh

Because you want to Run your Maps in the Other Blight region

[pliant ravine]

This means i have use different parts? For the second one.

[strange tiger]

any good discussions around what is most effective maven point usage?

couldn't find anything on reddit

[rigid stream]

Depends on what you Wanna do, but +1 awakening lvl is probably mandatory

[exotic forum]

do ritual rewards not roll until you do 1 ritual?

ie: do you risk losing a deferred item if you just run through a zone without doing any of the rituals in it.

[bitter locust]

I believe they have said you do not

[fossil maple]

Correct. They confirmed that you can't lose deferred items if you don't touch any rituals in a zone

[random imp]

Can you use multiple blood filled vials on a map?

It appears that you can.

It sure enough ate up three of em.

[random imp]

I just did one with one, vs 3, and the results were about the same in terms of tribute gained.

[weary vortex]

So, if the envoy appears on your map, do you have to do anything? Or how do you get the Maven to show up?

[next epoch]

the atlas notables are all designed to have roughly similar value, make your choices based on what content you prefer to run, not what someone else says is "optimal"

[glacial ice]

is it pure luck how many tribute points you get per map?

[next epoch]

unclear but it appears to scale with the number of monsters in the rituals, which is affected by pack size, and possibly with other map modifiers

[wicked wyvern]

Is it known how long after you meet the Envoy that the Maven might appear? Or is it apl random?

[empty swan]

I had maven appear at first envoy meeting, after that all maven meeting were my own calls while envoy just randomly appears regardless

[wicked wyvern]

Ah. Probably random, then. I had my first Envoy, but no Maven.

[empty swan]

I had 240 tribute from killing map boss as part of ritual on T10 map, while on one of white maps (don't recall tier) boss worth was around 100 tribute, so tribute seems to scale with tier of map (or rather level of monsters, would explain why ritual vessels specify level of captured)

[empty swan]

You need to have citadel found in region to start maven I think

[wicked wyvern]

Huh. That makes sense!

[empty swan]

There will be quest item you will need to use from inventory on map device btw

[dusty lichen]

I did a 60% delirious T2 map yesterday, ended with 8.6k tribute lol popped a breach inside ritual as well was insanity

[empty swan]

Just curious, my bad luck or bug, I have that atlas region passive which give chance of strongbox being openable second time (25% was it?) but I haven't got it so far, anyone had it trigger?

[dusty lichen]

yeah I think I got it last night, pretty sure I popped one, picked some stuff and the box was named again, same as before

[empty swan]

Hope it will fire for me on divination or cartographer eventually lol

[dusty lichen]

I wonder if those boxes are just straight extra mobs? or does it remove a pack from the map?

[empty swan]

Well it is not THE prophecy so why would it despawn mobs

[serene wing]

When you defer an item does it stay defered even if you do not defer it a second time? Or will it vanish if you fail to defer it after you see it reappear

[empty swan]

It will have red border when it had enough and won't appear again unless redefered

[serene wing]

@empty swan Thanks! So there is a grace period then

[empty swan]

Not scienced myself but someone told it seems to lose 1 stack of defer (each of which give it 10% discount from full price) when not deferred and will disappear if ignored on 0 stacks

[next epoch]

probably me, that's the theory I've been working with

but that seems consistent with what everyone's experiencing

[rigid stream]

Thats how it works

They told us in the Trailer

It costs 15% of the Item Cost to defer. You then get a 10% Discount the next time you See it

If you dont defer it gains 10% cost and goes Red the next time if you dont defer again

[next epoch]

That's not entirely consistent with the "stack" theory for items which have been deferred multiple times. Under that theory, items only go red (and disappear if not deferred) after they have been ignored as many times as they have been deferred

[rigid stream]

Yes

It goes Red after it has gained its original cost back

[wicked wyvern]

Looks like you were right! First map I opened with a slotted watchstone, the Envoy was there, going "It's Maven Time, Nomad"

[cosmic edge]

I feel like skipping all further rituals on the area if the listed items are not that good
Rerolls are expansive

Does it make sense to not waste time with it?

[signal swan]

they add great monster density to the map, so I usually finish at least 3 to see all the items.

[oblique panther]

Are peoples rituals bugged too? Some of my ritual tribute stops gaining randomly. It usually happens on the 4th ritual but sometimes it happens in the 2nd or 3rd too

[light adder]

There was a post about doing them in order https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/l1a74s/psa_do_rituals_in_the_order_you_discovered_them/

[oblique panther]

Thanks!

[slow cape]

anyone know if the extra monsters from the bountiful harvest node in lex proxima gives u extra crafts? or is it just more stuff to kill?

[oblique panther]

I also seem to get to some rituals in which I kill the all the monsters inside the ring and area but it doesn't activate so that I can start the ritual

[weary vortex]

What is the color of the maven thing if you have called her to witness a boss? Gold or blue?

[empty swan]

Orange - on Air
Blue - 56 missed calls from Maven

[olive phoenix]

So, how is Maven actually? Year ago, reddit was crying about Sirus, but now it seems silent.

[hasty perch]

Sirus was poorly designed tbh

The dude himself didnt kill you much

The freaking tornadoes tho

Felt like getting cheesed

[next epoch]

From what I've seen, the final Maven fight is mechanically tough, but fair

[past badge]

Anyone know how to get the Maven invitation the goes with the Breach bosses? We've killed all four with her witnessing but it didn't drop and we can't get her to witness again.

[signal swan]

Helps that there's actual contrast between attacks and background

[olive phoenix]

Yeah, once I saw that her lasers make you unable to regen health and she instakills you if you fail Simon says, I got really scared of fighting her.

[next epoch]

Rejected Envoy dialogue: "She is near, and eager to witness your snuggle."

[radiant moss]

Do favours reset when you change to a new map?

[haughty jay]

If I use a ritual vessal and apply it to a map does that affect the amount/quality of items offered or just add the monsters to the rituals increasing the ritual point gain

[rapid nebula]

Does anyone know if you fail maven cortex / shaper / elder fight do you have to redo bosses? Or just try with new invitation map?

[snow sequoia]

hey guys

who gets the deffered item

i was opening maps yesterday

and i deferred fated connections

today my friend is opening maps

can we get it to spawn again?

to buy it?

[lilac idol]

map owner owns the ritual

[agile idol]

How the hell do you play around the rituals that throw purple chaos balls all over the place like im the kid on the bad dodgeball team. They spew out me-seeking missiles that nearly oneshot me

is the secret to mouse over the ritual, see the chaos mod, and just pretend rituals dont exist for that map?

Actually thats probably it, huh

[empty swan]

There are two versions of chaos ritual one has manageable ball (300 or so hits even on -60% res) and another... you experienced it yourself

[eager terrace]

pray you're on a map where you can block with a wall

or get your touhou pants on

[signal swan]

the large ball chases after you. I just dash back and forth every so often.

[woeful gyro]

does it matter if I click a ritual as soon as it lets me or should I be trying to kill as many things in the circle as I can before I click it?

[eager terrace]

afaik there is no difference

there are like fixed mobs that spawn that count towards it

only way to juice it up is the ritual vessels

[woeful gyro]

yeah I can tell the ritual can't be clicked until all the fixed mobs die but I'm just wondering if any additional mobs near the circle that can be dragged in, if they also get added to the ritual and can give more tribute

[empty swan]

Nope

[eager terrace]

nah they want you to use the vessels if you wanna juice it

[woeful gyro]

ok cool

[last pumice]

anyone else got the odd mob in ritual thats just really hard to kill? Was the energy shield regen one. This was tier 1 maps

[runic zephyr]

if i understand correctly you shouldnt just do rituals in order you see them for max efficiency, but do the ritual around the boss first? so that the boss appears in the other rituals too?

[rigid stream]

Technically yes, but also technically no

There is currently a fixed Limit how much Tribute you can get, so your 3rd/4th May Not give you any Tribute If you do it Like that

However, some Layout are scuffed so you cant reach that Limit because of Bad Spawns. So If you do those in Reverse Order you May get a Bit more tribute

[prime rapids]

If I go through a area and skip rituals does that make the items I defer more expensive or dissappear or does it only trigger that if I activate the ritual

[eager terrace]

if you don't click on any rituals none of them advance

[prime rapids]

Cool. Been spending longer then I want on acts so this will help speed things up thnx@eager terrace

[runic zephyr]

for opulent rituals theres some mechanic like stand in all of the gold rains and get 1000% iiq or some shit right?

[eager terrace]

yeah stand in the gold coin circles

but you do take more damage while in them

like shock

[runic zephyr]

when should i use a ritual vessel? when theres one ritual with lots of monsters?

or on a map with many packs?

[eager terrace]

well, each ritual inside a map builds on the previous ritual

so the last ritual of a map will always contain the most

sometimes the map boss will be part of a ritual and I think those are good targets

you get more chances at map drops from each ritual if you use a vessel with a map boss in it

[violet nymph]

got a vessel, whatsit?

[eager terrace]

it’s basically a pokeball

[violet nymph]

by storing mobs in it and then using it on another ritual, I get more ritualcash for buying things?

[eager terrace]

you throw it at a completed ritual totem and it captures all the monsters that were in it

you use a filled vessel in the map device

all those mobs are then applied to every totem in the map you put it in with

along with some tribute and reward bonuses

[violet nymph]

alright, will try

[vital void]

does anyone know what the tiers for rituals are?

[mint scroll]

is it relevant what map I call Maven on?

[eager terrace]

well she will come witness that map’s boss

if she hasn’t seen it yet and the map is high enough tier for her quest progress

[violet nymph]

alguem br sabe como faz pra conseguir ganhar mais pontos nos rituais?

[runic dagger]

Should I be doing rituals as I level, or just try and zoom through acts as fast as I can?

[vital void]

depends. if you need some gear it wont hurt to do a few here and there. there also good for leveling in case you ever find yourself behind. but if you have hand me down gear and arent struggling its probobly better to skip

if your a spell based build its good to do really early ones since +1 spell gems apear fairly commonly. its fairly easy to get +2 for the entire leveling proccess if you do this

[violet nymph]

does pulling in and killing more mobs before activating ritual shrine increases tribute gain?

[runic dagger]

Okay, thanks

[silver kettle]

No. The set of mobs that will give tribute is fixed on level generation, precisely so people don't feel forced to do that

[violet nymph]

ty

[stoic kettle]

Anyone playing cospri in red tier rituals? Hows it feeling? Squishy?

[craggy ice]

Is there a way to search for maven's invitiation where she's witnessed a specific boss on the trade site?

[grand shale]

Hey guys, not sure if this is the right channel for this, but I'm encountering an issue (consistent at this point) where the 3rd or 4th Ritual Circle in a map is not giving me ANY tribute. The first couple are fine, but then I'll activate the last one and not getting any tribute killing the monsters. I'm in the middle of the circle, the tribute is activated, etc...yet nothing. Anyone else have this happen? Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug?

[wicked wyvern]

Are you doing the rituals in any specific order? I've heard that clearing them all and then backtracking to do the rituals can cause that

[grand shale]

I am in fact back tracking and doing them like that. That's a good point

I'll try just doing them as I come across them and see if that fixes it.

[spare imp]

can someone explain to me how "complete these ritual encounters V" is supposed to work? You need 4 different bosses in one ritual encounter. Are you supposed to use 3 blood-filled vials on a single map, using the map's boss as the 4th boss in the ritual?

[silver kettle]

either that or use vials for all four bosses once you've unlocked the 5th map device slot

[agile idol]

does the maven only appear at random after the first 2 passive points or do you need to scale the watchstone level accordingly (like first maven is 0 stones, second maven is 1 stone, etc)

just got her first passives from a map and noticed that the white maps now didnt have her witness tag, so I re-ran it but she never appeared

[wicked wyvern]

Did you have her beacon turned on?

[agile idol]

Yeah Ive never clicked that little orb off on the map device

[lyric orchid]

The map will say if maven has already witnessed or the beacon will be greyed out saying you need more watchstones

[keen marsh]

Is perandus or delirium better for Lex Ejoris? Idk how good cadiro is

[agile idol]

thats weird, because I just ran Arcade tier 1, didnt say maven had a recreation or anything, nothing was grayed out, and she didnt appear

[rigid stream]

Perandus is only Worth it If you have a Lot of coins and perandus scarabs to force cadiro

[violet nymph]

what does the red outline mean?

[lyric orchid]

Hmmm not sure the. I assume you got the bar that indicates the number of witness required for all your citadels? That at least indicates maven is progressing

[silver kettle]

that item will disappear for good if you don't defer it again or buy it in that area

[violet nymph]

oh, so other deferred items stay for longer than 1 zone! good to know, I assumed otherwise

[silver kettle]

if you don't defer them again they'll become more expensive, and once they reach their original price they'll disappear

[violet nymph]

ty

[crude scarab]

How is uncharted realms tree unlocked?

[silver kettle]

doing non-atlas map maven invitations

e.g. the four shaper guardian one or four breachlord one

[crude scarab]

ok, thanks

[cloud heath]

Ritual question: If i enter a map (in this case, campaign blood aqueduct) and i dont interact with any ritual, do the possible rewards from rituals count for defer increase/decreases?

[tender lake]

If you don't click the totem, your refers are the same

[cloud heath]

ok great, thanks a lot!

[eager terrace]

does glacier count as 4 bosses for that challenge

[arctic star]

Items that drop around the ritual league are not league restricted

[devout osprey]

was it a map boss in the ritual?

[median wharf]

did the synthesis + level implicts on weapons get made legacy? the only ones in league are + 1 support gems but there used to be implicts for all the tags

[feral nymph]

hi, i got maven's invitation : new vastir, what am i facing in that map?

[silver kettle]

the bosses the maven has witnessed you fight in that region. you can double check on the atlas if you want, the maps whose bosses will show up will be covered by a maven icon

[feral nymph]

all the bosses into 1 fight?

or is it phase

[feral nymph]

thank you!

[open marsh]

Got a 6L chest in a ritual. My best chance to get it is to defer it everytime I see it until I get enough tributes to buy it?

[next epoch]

yep, every time you defer the price will keep going down

[open marsh]

I guess it's better to defer it with as most as tributes I can?

[next epoch]

think of it like making downpayments on the item

[open marsh]

makes sense

thank you

[dusty moss]

if i skip an entire maps ritual does it affect my reward that i've (whats the word) discounted?

[next epoch]

if you don't interact with rituals at all in an area, nothing happens

[runic quail]

Should be able to donate an orb or something to get a little extra tribute.

[dusty moss]

FFFFSSSS

that stings

welp time to defer it

[runic quail]

They pretty valuable?

[dusty moss]

like 1c

so an so an eightyith of a exalt

[deft girder]

Does multi-boss map gives more ritual points?

[low zinc]

How do you use ritual vessels?

[terse sinew]

You use em on a finished ritual in map a

Then throw it in map device for map b

[tender lake]

if i bottle the tribute do i lose all of it that i could spend for favours? and when should i start bottling? 5k alright?

[violet nymph]

where can I find rital tiers?

[jagged surge]

i fought maven presence on shrine map
the maven bar is 1/3
how do i do to get maven presence on other maps of the region?

[devout osprey]

do other bosses/maps

[austere tulip]

If I have a bunch of deferred items in my ritual and I decide to reroll the rewards, will it act as if I didn't defer the items and increase their price?

[violet nymph]

can I use more than one vessel on a map?

and other than map monster level, does anything else matter for when using a vessel on a ritual shrine?

[rigid hinge]

I'm either noticing 0 tribute gain or maybe even removing tribute from my total pool during a map, I'm gonna have to pay attention more. I 100% know a ritual shrine isn't giving me any tribute at all though.

[violet nymph]

Do I get this right? Most expensive items are top left, but returning deferred items get priority?

[eager terrace]

yep

deferred will always be top left with a border

otherwise top left is the most expensive stuff

[violet nymph]

ty

[quick raven]

Oh hey you can pokeball warbands

[violet nymph]

[wise swan]

any fix to rituals when maven is boss room and cant start the last ritual?

[cyan tapir]

has anyone figured out if i got more tribute if i start with the mapboss ritual (if there is a ritual) so that i get to fight the boss in any earlier rituals which i ran past?

[sturdy sedge]

You do get more tribute. Only woth doing on maps that are non linear. Even then. Think about the size of the map

[cyan tapir]

yeah thats true, probably not worth. thank you

[cloud heath]

guys, how does affect the new ritual gloves (decrease main hand attack and decrease offhand) with 2 handed weapons such bows?

[rough thorn]

2h/Bow counts as main hand only

[empty swan]

Will it affect spectral shield throw? It is attack with shield sort of

[warm lodge]

Anyone else get rituals locked out when maven is near it and doesnt leave after the boss kill?

[fair viper]

do you get the same amount of tribute from each ritual or do you have to like kill enemies super fast or what

[empty swan]

It is based on enemies you kill during ritual, rares pay more, uniques pay even more, normal mobs pay meh

[fair viper]

so if i kill all enemies ill get the most expected amount

ik if you die the ritual ends but i didnt know if there were any other ways you could lose tribute during

[empty swan]

For whatever reason if you skip starting ritual, do other rituals and then return to first one it won't award any tribute at all

Also I might be wrong but it seems for me than ritual forcing some tribute threshold by randomly rarefy normal monsters if it has not enough rares for you to reach.
Had ritual with 3 volatile flame which had none of such to begin with when I cleaned it.
And other day died laughing to Fractured rare totem (which became part of ritual because many totems map mod)

[rapid wasp]

so theres diffrent types of rituals anyone have a chart or list on which ones are good and bad??

[vocal echo]

Rituals seem to spawn along with a "bound" pack of mobs, after killing those specific ones the ritual can be activated, is there any benefit to killing the other mobs in the circle?
In other words, do these mobs count toward tribute if they're killed in the circle before starting? after starting? Or are they just not "part of" the ritual either way?

[empty swan]

They are not part of and it was stated in FAQ for league you won't gain anything from luring more in

[vocal echo]

Kinda figured as much, but thought i'd check just to make sure, ty 👍

[south gulch]

how do you know if maven is interested in a region?

[north dragon]

be hot

[violet nymph]

I'm starting yellow maps, maven got interested in one of my regions. Do I have any control in which ones she gets interested in?

[opal girder]

So you can chance a headhunter with infused nemi :)

Confirmed

[empty swan]

She won't be "interested" in other regions
until you do 3 boss maven arena fight in region you found her
if region missing citadel
if map too low tier (watchstone count: 3 boss - 0, 4 - at least 1, 5 - at least 2 etc)

[pure valley]

guys, i keep getting 'Accept the Mavens invitation' when i go into new instances/ho, i only hae invitations from shaper guardians etc that i cant even start yet, is this why or did i miss something

shows up on middle bottom screen like same as when u complete a challenge

[violet nymph]

damn, a few mobs inside ritual often just freeze and stay in place

[patent dust]

I had this jewel deferred because it costs around 4k+ tribute. After 15hrs came back to play, that jewel never showed up again. Stuffs defer remained shown in random were just chaos orb and blight map and my rare jewel never reappeared my entire playtime for 6 hours. Mods were..

Implicit:
Immune blood corrupt
Increase area effect 4%

Explicit:
Max life 7%
Max mana 9%
Increase area damage 12%

[radiant blade]

buyout all your defered stuff and will apear eventually

[honest verge]

does the items deferred in story mode appear in maps if you start skipping rituals until maps

[normal kraken]

yeah as long as you don't click the ritual the defer doesn't tick down

[agile verge]

Anyone know why sometimes the last ritual in a zone gives you basically nothing towards the counter? It's rare but noticeable

Can't seem to figure out why it happens so that I can avoid it

[silver kettle]

There's a bug at the moment where that can happen if you kill monsters around a ritual but don't activate it, then come back and do it later. Will be fixed next week I believe

[agile verge]

@silver kettle ahh ok. at least I'm not going crazy. I just wont leave them then. thanks

[weak dock]

The region's atlas skill tree only applies to that region only? or it does apply to other region

[low zinc]

How do you best use ritual vessels?

[sharp arrow]

can someone explain why ive only gotten rituals that give purely div cards for the past 6-7 maps ive run?

[sour mountain]

i thought the ritual point 'cap' was kind of a protective measure so you wouldn't go to the last shrine, kill it, and then backtrack through the map

[livid yarrow]

theres different tiers of the ritual? didnt even know that

[empty swan]

There are 15 different rituals based on challenge and some of them are clearly rarer, also there are stuff like div card/currency/unique(never seen that one yet) only, I will leave it to Reddit or someone not as lazy to connect rewards with rituals

[tender lake]

@low zinc if you get a lot of tribute from a ritual totem, a horde of blue and rare mobs, bosses are fantastic with them, and show up on the item when you collect them, pop it on them. Save up 3 or 4 bottles if you have 5map slots and use them all at once. It's pretty much praying the map you open has 4 totems and lots of existing mobs on them. I haven't seen an effective way to scale rewards though they seem very random

[raw girder]

so, I've just started the league, opened an altar, killed all the monsters but the altar does not let me out, what do I do?

[empty swan]

Some super sneaky (or bugged into invisibility) mob still alive

[raw girder]

holy damn, you're right, there was one mother hacker hidden

[neat rover]

guys how do i obtain uncharted realm points?

i am a bit confused

[placid grail]

What do I do with this? Can't activate it in map device

[livid lake]

you need to let maven witness 10 bosses in the area and then you can use it.

[placid grail]

alright, thanks

[barren jacinth]

"Harbingers drop rarer value currency shards" - what does this do exactly?

[raw girder]

if I don't spend tribute in one area, does it move over to next or it's wasted and I should always take something?

[barren jacinth]

wasted

[vapid canopy]

Hey, I looked for the answer but didn't found it.
Why is it that sometimes I don't get tribute points?

I was doing the last of 4 rituals and the last one didn't give anything

Oh damn thanks ! I missed that line haha

Good to know

[violet nymph]

can maven be interested only in 1 region at any given time?

[balmy wind]

I dont think so

Also ive got a ritual that I managed to get the eradicator into but it wont start, are there any tricks to make it work?

[alpine sierra]

@cook can maven watch your fights?

[alpine sierra]

What are you people doing for the hidden atlas passives?

[bronze cave]

You need to do specific maven invitations, breachlords, shaper guards, elder guards, synth bosses, all pinnacle bosses together and the maven fight

for a total of 12 points

Or did you mean which ones we allocated?

[violet nymph]

I've just unlocked my first 2 atlas skill points

how tough is it to get refund points, can I go wild?

[bronze cave]

one is worth about 8c rn

[violet nymph]

is it a specific item?

how is it otherwise obtained?

[bronze cave]

yes, orb of unmaking

it is a drop from maven fights

[violet nymph]

ok

will start with delirium for lex ejoris

I assume I can no spam one region maps until envoy spawns there?

If I were to look for something specific

[violet nymph]

oh! I can invite maven to any region now, cool

If I'll plan out which league mechanics I want to focus on, I may never need to respec

[low zinc]

Is it better to kill the boss first before starting rituals?

[violet nymph]

after my first two points, now that maven seems "interested" in all regions, I wonder can I progress more than one region at a time?

can I progress in Valdo's after I kill a boss in Proxima?

can I kill 1 boss in each region?

I just wanna know if I can freely continue going through the maps I haven't yet completed, without unintentionally locking myself in maven progression for 1 random region

[bold basalt]

ye, maven gets interested in all regions

not sure how fast though

[violet nymph]

yes : )

after completing the first 3 boss maven challenge, she became interested in all regions

can freely progress all together. good design.

[frail echo]

can i add 4 ritual vessels inside the map device ? or just 1 ?

[eager terrace]

just one afaik

[frail echo]

hmm

[rigid stream]

4

[alpine sierra]

It says it gives better rewards, I'm not sure though.

[rocky rain]

do i have to complete all region maven invitations before i can open last awakenig passive tree?

or i can start doing guardians etc right after i complete one

[dense cove]

I have had 3 orbs of unmaking drop thus far; they seem to drop from all content

and I haven't tested it, but I think you can add 4 ritual vessels to the map device as long as you have done a 4 way to open the 5th map device slot

[lunar nexus]

what color does the maven button have to be for her to be called

[eager terrace]

you can do them as soon as you can do the fights

orange is on

blue is off

[lunar nexus]

ok thank you

[violet nymph]

does the power of maven bosses depend on the tier of the maps I killed them in?

[silver kettle]

No

The level of the fight is fixed

[violet nymph]

I am strong

[patent dust]

Its been 2days and my rare jewel wont show up.. we need at least a panel to check our current deferred items

derferred it once and never seen again

[vast gazelle]

do blight passives in lira arthain affect blighted maps in that region

id assume so

[red jackal]

blighted maps don't count towards atlas completion afaik, so I guess the atlas region boni don't apply either @vast gazelle

[vast gazelle]

ah

ig just uncharted realms stuff then

[violet nymph]

if I keep deferring the same item, does it keep reducing in price indefinitely?

[next epoch]

Yes, 10% each time

[violet nymph]

ty

[waxen token]

is there anyway to remove a deferred item other than buying it?

[wanton holly]

What do you actually get out of fighting maven?

I've fought her a few times and I don't really get anything good out of it.

[eager terrace]

her or the multi-boss fights

maven herself has some unique items, maven orbs, and elevated sextants

[gaunt snow]

https://i.imgur.com/TKSAxaG.png
I got this, killed all 4 bosses with maven spectating and it no longer says x/4 but when I press "activate" it says that I haven't killed enough bosses in this atlas region, anyone has a clue what I'm doing wrong?

[eager terrace]

do you have the uncharted realms skill tree

[gaunt snow]

not yet, I thought this unlocked that

[eager terrace]

the first one will yeah

it's just easy to see which boss is missing when you have it

[gaunt snow]

I killed all 4 in order right after eachother

so I don't think i'm missing any of them

[eager terrace]

well it sounds like one of them wasn't witnessed for whatever reason

[gaunt snow]

I'll try and go down the list again, thanks

[eager terrace]

but without the button on the atlas panel I don't know how to see which one

there's no maven icon in the center of the atlas for you yet right

like it would be right above the "sirus" ring in the center

[gaunt snow]

seemed to be the constrictor

threw a constrictor occupied map in and maven can spectate it

thanks!

and nah there isn't

but hopefully soon there will be

[eager terrace]

after you unlock it you can just hover over that button on the atlas and it will show the entire list of what's witnessed / not

[gaunt snow]

amazing

[hasty trout]

Why am I getting consistent 6k ritual points in white tier alch and go maps

and 3k average in red tier maps with sextants, 20% qual, sometimes vaaled to 120% quan

[eager terrace]

I honestly can't make much out of the tribute system

[hasty trout]

They could have at least made it guaranteed 4 rituals in red tier maps

Image getting 1.9k tribute in a semi-juiced map with only 3 rituals

just feels super bad

[spare imp]

What's the consensus on a strategy for ritual rewards? just defer until you can get everything you want in 1 go?

I've started defering anything who's current cost is >1,000 tribute

[eager terrace]

there is a limit to the number of deferred items you can have in circulation

[spare imp]

What is the limit?

[eager terrace]

I'm not certain, I just know people have posted the error message of hitting it

[spare imp]

And by "anything" i meant things I want, not just every item in the window

I have anywhere from 6-12~ish deferred items show up every map

one single column

[hasty trout]

I heard the limit is between 30-50

I hit it a few times around 40 i think

[spare imp]

Here's my current ritual offers

is that roughly optimal deferrals? or too many?

[eager terrace]

no, just whatever is in the current map

there must be another totem somewhere though?

[hasty trout]

did you spend your tribute or reroll?

[eager terrace]

oh maybe it was a reroll yeah

[hasty trout]

wow thats a big rip

[spare imp]

I've heard that rerolling is generally not a good idea. since you can reroll into your deferred pool again and might not have enough to deffer those

[hasty trout]

You shouldnt reroll if theres 5+ deferred items imo

[eager terrace]

I reroll a lot but I also never have more than like 3 defers at a time

[hasty trout]

should just buy those/defer them again. I mean why defer them i nthe first place if you're goin to reroll

[spare imp]

So, are there any other rules-of-thumb or tricks people have found for deciding what to defer/pass?

[eager terrace]

I pretty much don't defer unless it is actually a high value item

like in that image you posted I don't think I'd have deferred any of it

most of those things are of the rarity that show up pretty much every ritual

[spare imp]

You wouldn't have deferred any of the things that I had already deferred?

[eager terrace]

maybe the blighted map if it's 15/16

[spare imp]

Interesting.

I'll have to think about it some more.

[eager terrace]

you're essentially paying more for that item

[spare imp]

I'll experiment, skip the ritual shard stacks that are less than 40 or so, some of the splinters, etc.

[eager terrace]

it seems pretty rare to me that I can't spend most of my tribute on the middling offerings like those

basically I look first for any really high value that might need deferred

else, reroll if it will leave me with at least ~3k

else, spend any remaining tribute possible

[spare imp]

are you running juiced maps? I'm usually just alc'ing and going, maybe throwing a little juice if the atlas passives align with what I have on hand

I've run x3 blood vials on two occasions, I think the highest tribute i got was like 6-7k

[eager terrace]

yeah like I mentioned earlier, I honestly can't figure out how tribute works

in terms of getting higher values

I'll have a basic alch map pull like ~8k and a blood vial with a guardian in it on the same map pull 6k

I suspect not everything is working as expected in that system

[spare imp]

I swear that tribute cost also scales with an expected tribute value determined by number of monsters, density, etc.

[hasty trout]

Are you doing red tier maps @spare imp

[spare imp]

Yeah @hasty trout , trying to get all the watchstones + maven stuff

[hasty trout]

I reckon its bugged/doesnt scale properly

[spare imp]

also just died at 98%

[hasty trout]

Try doing some white tier alch and gos

youll get 5-6k ritual points lol

[spare imp]

lmao what. I'm getting like 4k~ish in red tiers, alch&go.

this system makes no sense.

[agile verge]

How do you view atlas skill points?

like whats the hotkey to bring it up?

[hasty trout]

Ye they didnt scale it properly for higher tier maps

What makes no sense is why I get lower amount (instead of the same amount)

@agile verge click on your citadel (after your first maven fight)

[spare imp]

well, ritual stuff isn't a priority for me anyways. I haven't even fought the maven yet. How do you even trigger that fight?

[agile verge]

ahh I got it. reason I was having issues was I had to talk to Kirnac or whatever cause of influence. wasnt seeing the watchstone thing. thanks @hasty trout

[spare imp]

ah so I AM the big dumb. I just got what you were saying.

[formal crypt]

From which maven fights can you acquire the craftable watchstones? Only uncharted realms fights?

[marsh thunder]

How does defer mechanics work ?

[violet nymph]

defer an item with a portion of the cost needed to buy it

in some # of instances later, you'll see it again

that number determined by the rarity of the item i assume

and it will have a slightly cheaper cost

if you defer it again, the same thing will happen

if you don't defer it, it will lose a stack of deferral and become more expensive

until you eventually lose the item from deferrals entirely

[quartz trellis]

Anyone have any idea what the vaal flesh merchant does in the temple for the Lex Ejoris atlas points?

I guess he drops small currency stacks

[wild kite]

I have a question

Let's say u defer an item

After a while it won't appear in rituals anymore if u don't buy or defer it again

Does this count for rituals that you don't start?

So if I skip a ritual without starting it can it make me miss items I deferred before

[sour mountain]

if you do not interact with the rituals at all on a map you do not need to worry about deferred items (i dont think)

[young plover]

Do you bros know why my tier 14-16 maps in the top left region of the atlas doesn't spawn harvest areas

[wild kite]

I see!

[swift wren]

Are blood vessels worth it? I haven't noticed a significant benefit in terms of ritual rewards

Only thing I can see is more mobs

And some more tribute to grab like 2 or 3 more things

[cosmic edge]

Are you guys using harvest mechanics?

I'm at 80's and found nothing yet

[alpine sierra]

@swift wren it says it gives better rewards, it's very opaque though

[hasty trout]

I just killed my first 10 bosses in a region. Last boss didnt drop an invitation though. Is that normal?

[frigid shore]

It normal to have a region where all maps are witnessed and cant find an invitation but in others you get invitations every 2nd map?

[hasty trout]

Oh I think its bugged rip

[young plover]

I think when you reach the stage where u need the 10 bosses its a drop chance

I saw some post about it

So not too sure

[hasty trout]

So the last 4 points will require a lot of rng? rip

[eager terrace]

yeah, they said they are changing it in the first client patch to where the first 10 boss will be guaranteed on witnessing the 10th boss

the one after that will be random like it is now I think

[hasty trout]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3018211

Well this sucks

[cobalt falcon]

Viridi veil hexproof behave like not affected by curse? Bug?

[eager terrace]

that’s how Hexproof works since 3.12

curses apply but have no effect

[velvet palm]

What the fuck do I do with this?

[urban crown]

Another bug on ritual

A ritual cleared himself

One mob spawned

And it was done

[eager terrace]

@velvet palm it’s an invite for the 10 boss fight in that region

they drop randomly once you are on that step

[velvet palm]

questionable mechanic

[gaunt snow]

I killed the boss and maven won't leave the area and keeps using her abilities blocking me from doing the ritual there, anyone an idea of how I could fix it?

[copper kernel]

you cant

[next epoch]

so how long until we get a Maven's Crucible hideout

[radiant cedar]

can you always see deferred items after the first ritual?

or are they hidden sometimes?

[steep tartan]

Not a mechanics question, but does anyone else find it really cool how Maven’s speech slowly improves as you do more? I’m only at 5-6 boss fights across the regions but I can’t wait to see what happens

[velvet palm]

eh, she gets a lot more bratty

gets kinda annoying

[cobalt falcon]

Defered have a chance not showing for couple rituals

[next epoch]

Also interesting that Maven has unique lines for seeing Merveil. ("Her song makes me feel strange...")

https://oriath.net/Endgame/Echoes/Maven/

[gaunt snow]

can I invite friends to invitations to get the atlas passive points if I'm the only one with the bosses spectated?

[coral garden]

Doubt u can

[signal swan]

oh, hey, Maven's vocabulary improved again

[agile verge]

Bout to level Valdo's Rest for first time. Best skills for it?

[mild parrot]

I deferred an Exalt and a level 4 Empower on a character that I have now scrapped not realizing that Rituals are per character. Would I be able to open maps on the original char and then clear them on my new char, or does the original char have to interact with each Ritual for the deferred items to appear?

[cursive lantern]

Should still work

[vague imp]

Hi all, why ritual on T15 give me only 1-2k of points, but on T3 map I can easily farm 5-9k of points?

[compact elm]

Do the last rituals in a map not give any further points if no new monsters are spawned? the 4th altar didn't have any more points than the 3rd, but I killed the boss and everything OK

[cobalt falcon]

How poin gained still unknown

[errant patrol]

So apparently Rituals have tiers? And higher tier = better rewards, and you can only really tell them apart visually? Can someone elaborate?

[rigid stream]

The bigger the shrine the Harder it is and the more Special the rewards are

[eager terrace]

the higher tier rituals have different names

like dreadful ritual becomes malevolent

the totem itself also looks more like a gore portal

[errant patrol]

Is there a guide for it somewhere?

[rigid stream]

No, but the only one you need to know is the golden shower one. You have to stand in the coin shower to get Bonus IIQ/IIR and Inc dmg taken

[tender lake]

So that's what it does. I ran inside it and deaded immediately. Went to mouse over the buff up the top and ded

Any other special ones like that to look out for? Had cards galore before but very little tribute to spend

[broken zinc]

so do we know how to get higher tier rituals or is it rng?

please tag my name on answer

[unborn glacier]

How much is 1 exalted orb on regular ritual league?

[eager terrace]

~80c

[velvet palm]

wat dis

[copper kernel]

a crumb of mavens encounter

[main epoch]

Why does the last ritual in my map always give 0-15 favor tribute 😐 why even do it?

[rigid stream]

That Happens If you do them in the wrong order

[main epoch]

Wait there is an order? So wait is there just a maximum amount of favor per map, so I got the tribute early, or am I actually missing out by doing them in the wrong order?

[rigid stream]

The wrong order is Basically a Bug, where you sometimes dont get Tribute If you clear the map and then do the Rituals Backwards to Cheat the System by doing the Boss first

Just do them in the order you Encounter them and you should be fine

[main epoch]

So they punish you for not doing them in an arbitrary order that is potentially indistinguishable? This was on a non-linear map and the boss was never in the rituals

[violet nymph]

Just do rituals when you find them

I've yet to see this bug

[rigid stream]

Its Not indistinguishable

If you find a Ritual, do it asap

Dont nove to another ritual

[peak terrace]

that isnt and shouldnt be the reality of it 😉

u pop delirium

u move forward

the timer gets to 5 seconds cause the fog gets to you

you cannot pop the ritual cause ud lose the fog soo u move on

[sharp falcon]

it is a bug, not intended and probably they fix it sooner or later (if I remember correctly someone mentioned they will fix it this week)

[strange tiger]

anyone know if you need to do unique contracts for the center wheel points or can I keep redoing elder guardian?

[normal kraken]

do "areas" from the uncharted realms passives refer to atlas maps or rather uncharted realms encounters?

as in

[waxen radish]

Guys how many points maximum i have available for passive tree on atlas?

Is it 8 as for ascendancy?

[humble dirge]

its 2,4k to defer goddamnit

[toxic flint]

jebaited

[rough harness]

Do I need to do all different Maven's challenges to fully unlock uncharted realms? As in Elder Guardians, Breachlords, Shaper guardians and so on? It seems like the repeat ones do not give me more points but it might be RNG as well.

[final umbra]

My fourth ritual in a map gave me no tribute - what gives?

[mortal frost]

Seems like if you kill the boss in a map, so it's in the ritual, the 4th ritual in the map won't give tribute

It's really weird

[severe hornet]

are the monsters in the ritual encounter supposed to just stand there and not move on the last spawn?

[misty sparrow]

There's been a few ritual fixes. Check patch notes yall

[violet nymph]

how does the ritual vessel work? does it save the remaining tribute that u didnt use? or does it save the rewards until the next area

[spice cipher]

Neither

It saves the monsters and spawns them in the next rituals when you use a vessel

when you use one on a ritual it says the number of monsters saved

[violet nymph]

so they basically just increase the amount of monsters in the next ritual?

[next epoch]

Known bug which should be fixed in 3.13.1

[final umbra]

Yeah it's happening even if you don't kill the boss in a ritual though

[candid heron]

uhh so for the maven's orb do i just attach it to my atlas whenever i want or?

[silver kettle]

the beacon? you can just use it immediately. there's no downside to doing so, since it's permanent and still requires toggling a button to actually call the maven

[candid heron]

yup the beacon

so put it in immediately u said right?

right?

[devout osprey]

yes

[barren crescent]

hmmm the 🥓

[next epoch]

Maven's Beacon Teaches Typing

[hearty hound]

whats the diff between total deferal and normal deferal cost?

it says i can affordDeferral and not Total Deferall, but its preventing me from deferring

[next epoch]

Deferral cost is 15% of the total cost of the item, and is split into two parts: 10% that gets subtracted from the future cost of the item, and an extra 5% deferral fee

If you can't afford the 15% ("total deferral"), you can't defer the item

[hearty hound]

aw crap

thanks

[drifting smelt]

I have 4 watchstones in lex promina. I have earned 1 in every other citadel except for valdo and tirns. How do I go about getting them to spawn in valdo / tirns? Whenever I run a map there at base tier it says watchstone level is too low to summon...but I dont have watchstones there yet?

Also - early on I ran random maps not understanding(still not fully) the concept of farming specific ways to sustain map drops. How can I recover now?

I guess maybe looking for pm help or something if anyone has some time - I have killed 1 of each of them in each corner - and killed all of them in lex promina

[violet nymph]

the amount of watchstones you have to use is entirely dependent on how many times you've killed a given conqueror, not how many watchstones you've gotten in a single region

[next epoch]

Move one or more of the watchstones you've earned into those regions. They don't have to stay where you found them

[drifting smelt]

so I will have to buy a ranked up version of the map to get them to spawn?

how do i get maps to drop in the range thats useful for me instead of low tiers? Im running into issues where I have very few of the maps I need to progress

[sour mountain]

to get maps to drop in a tier you want, you will need to allocate watchstones to set the map's level on the Atlas to match the level of the map you want to recieve

so if you want T14-T16 maps to drop for Haewark Hamlet, you will need to slot 4 watchstones there

[drifting smelt]

well like for example - right now all of my citadels have 1 watchstone, with valdos rest having 2. the only maps dropping while running valdo maps, are glennach cairns maps of the base tier.

[next epoch]

What do you mean by "of the base tier"? What tier maps are you running in Valdo's Rest?

[drifting smelt]

by base tier i mean maps dropping tier 1-4 etc. im running tier 8-10 in valdos. 2 watchstones

i get drops t1-5ish

and they all seem to be dropping for glennach cairns - which also has 2 stones in it

so should also be t8-10ish?

[molten flower]

Does anyone else feel like rituals are not worth the time invest? they seems not rewarding at all

[drifting smelt]

they can be rewarding but they seem to glitch and leave you stuck more often than theyre useful

[livid pecan]

do we still target cameria/gravicus intervention and it that fled in research?

[grand dune]

I witnessed all breaches but didn't get an invitation. Now i can't witness them anymore. How do I get the invitation??

[wary raft]

@grand dune got mine in the first breach encounter and had to carry the one through all of them, maybe yours bugged?

[sand pulsar]

When it says maven isn't interested in this rgion yet

What am I missing

[azure cliff]

holy crap, the RUSH one starting a ritual.. my usual death: ritual spawn

[cursive zealot]

Any thoughts on when to use a vessel for the ritual? Just save them for high tier maps for better loot?

To capture the ritual, I mean.

[eager terrace]

you'll need a grip of them if you want to do challenges

[south abyss]

@grand dune you buy one, you dont need an invitation to get the witness

or you farm the cheap breaches for a drop

[prime rapids]

I used 3 blood filled vessels on a single map but it stopped me from getting more then 3k tribute. Why?

The rewards were slightly better but I couldn't even buy anything I had to defere it all. The last shrine didn't even let me earn any tribute at all. What determines the amount of tribute you can earn in a map?

[jolly rover]

In what situation would you guys use a ritual vessel?

[ebon ivy]

How to use this?

[wet plaza]

kill 10 bosses while having maven watch, pop in map device, run it

requires you to do all previous passive point things so your area has 10 boss kill slots

[ebon ivy]

Ok, thx

[zinc smelt]

You can also roll it like any other map because no thanks to those mods

[prime rapids]

I used 3 blood filled vessels on a single map but it stopped me from getting more then 3k tribute. Why?
The rewards were slightly better but I couldn't even buy anything I had to defere it all. The last shrine didn't even let me earn any tribute at all. What determines the amount of tribute you can earn in a map?

[bold basalt]

rng and bugs

[prime rapids]

Figures

[low zinc]

I found a fated connections and deferred it two days ago. I have not seen any it again since. Do I have to run specific areas to increase the chance of it appearing again?

[snow cairn]

it can take a lot of maps for it to show up again, there's no way to force it to show up again afaik

[low zinc]

Why is it saying I can't afford it? It just appeared but now I don't have enough tribute for it 😢

Aha, I see the deferral cost now

[prime rapids]

It can still show up again@low zinc
But if it has a red outline then thats the last time you will have the chance to buy it unless you defere it again

[gentle kayak]

Is there a # of time you can defer an item? I haven't seen my 6L Unique Body Armour in many many maps

[solid hill]

Rarer items that you have deferred appear less often apparently

But you can keep deferring over and over until it's cheap enough to buy

[open spindle]

I defered 2 exalts n they didnt appear again for like 24 hours

[solid hill]

Kinda lame for it to "triple dip" like that tbh. it's already rare to spawn to begin with, and then it's expensive so you have to defer more than other items, and then on top of that it's rare to reappear

[gentle kayak]

@solid hill I dunno...i havent seen this particular item in like 18-20 maps

I've deferred it consistently about 6 times

[solid hill]

yeah, it's random, and expensive items are more rare

so you just have to wait for it to show up again

[gentle kayak]

ok thx

i'm in like T5s right now, and can get ~3500-4000ish Ritual per map

do you get much more in ~T11 maps? like ~5500-6500?

[storm crown]

you also want ot juice the maps

about over 10k is the highest i have seen so fa

[gentle kayak]

juice the map?

like IIQ, or pack size ?

[storm crown]

packsize

makes there more monsters into the ritual

when you can vessel the ritual for 200 monsters the map is juiced 👍

[gentle kayak]

ah neat.t hx

[storm crown]

also not all rituals are equal, from my understanding there is tiers of rituals

[white lodge]

do i fight maven after i complete 10 bosses or what?

[tawny pasture]

10 different bnoss in the same zone with 4 stone

[cobalt falcon]

How many vessel we can use in map device?

4? Or 1?

[atomic oxide]

just got a rare maven invitation from a map for not the region im in, confused is it the 10 boss one or how did this drop?

[lyric orchid]

The rare ones are for 10 boss fights but the invitations are random drops

[prime rapids]

Is there a better way to play ritual because I have so much shit defered because I can never really get enough tribute to buy anything

[spice cipher]

are you juicing

juice your maps

[sour mountain]

im just carting and alching my high tiers and doing fine for ritual points

[prime rapids]

@spice cipher @sour mountain

Yes I'm alching but because my build sucks i can barely do t8 maps
Not to mention the countless times that I was receiving 0 tribute because of bugs.

[spice cipher]

just alcing isnt enough sometimes

also if your build is that bad you should try #build-fixing to see if someone can help

[prime rapids]

I'm just trying to earn currency to gear my next character at this point.

Playing as evasion has always gone wrong for me and this character isn't any better.
My next character is a rage stacking beserker

[sour mountain]

yeah, you'll need to get a better build then

for starting builds always use skills that scale their damage mostly off the gem, like CA

you'll want to die otherwise

[prime rapids]

I just always wanted to use perfect agony so thats why I went with what I did even though I hate evasion

[quartz trellis]

Wind Dancer makes evasion so much nicer honestly. Granted, you could argue it's prob more the dodge part of the build though

[crude glacier]

Is anyone else getting absurdly low Favor scores? I keep getting ~1500 in T5 maps, and have had to skip deferring my 6L Quill Rain twice now because I can't even afford the defer.

[sage flame]

Just started the league and entered Act 2. Kinda feels like 99% of the time the only items worth buying from the ritual altar us the currency, the other 1% being Uniques to defer. Does that change much later on?

[past walrus]

It is like all things, RNG. Higher ilvl = rare /more varied items, better rolls, influenced items etc.

It is like asking if loot from t1 differs from t16: yes, yes it does.

[undone lance]

rituals are garbage early on because of low monster density in areas

I started doing them in blood aqueduct

[dusty umbra]

@quartz trellis to be fair raider just feels so good with wind dancer and evasion and avator of veil

[worldly otter]

any guide on how to ascend atlas properly ?

[steep rock]

when is it worth it to use ritual vessels?

[summer current]

How do we increase the currency we get when doing a ritual?

I've been trying to test it. But it feels really inconsistent.

Like, hoarding 1/4 of the map onto a ritual to start it doesn't seem to give anything more than just killing whats at the ritual to start it.

[steady mountain]

is there a way to see which ones she already witnessed?

[storm crown]

You see on The map wich Bosses has been witnesed

@steady mountain

[steady mountain]

was pretty sure I did not see them for the elder guardians, but maybe I didn't check hard enough. Thanks though. :)

[timid geyser]

Once you complete one of the special invitation a list will show up on your atlas.

[crystal mantle]

So how does favour work? I've been pulling extra further packs of mobs into the altar circle before killing them, and it seems to have been increasing the favour I've been getting, but I'm unsure

[blissful onyx]

That does nothing. The number of enemies in each ritual is set.

[crystal mantle]

Huhh

fawk

[blissful onyx]

Use blood-filled vessels if you want juiced rituals

[crystal mantle]

I've not yet reached maps

sometimes I don't get enough favour to get the max items

[blissful onyx]

That doesn't change in maps

You have to defer stuff that's too expensive

Get it in the future

[crystal mantle]

Oh, this isn't like "sorry, your map wasn't juiced up enough to have it spawn enough monsters"

And I assume it works as "this ritual will spawn 5 packs, increasing pack size will increase the number of mobs per pack, increasing total tribute"

[blissful onyx]

Pack size doesn't affect ritual packs I don't think

There's also currently a bug where the 4th ritual in a map sometimes gives no favor

Supposed to be fixed in next patch

[crystal mantle]

https://youtu.be/gSIpAc_tVok?t=179 so he's wrong?

[blissful onyx]

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying

[crystal mantle]

but cool, you need to go with the best ritual on, since the mobs respawn

[blissful onyx]

There's no way to know which ritual spawns the most mobs at a time before you run it

[crystal mantle]

In the ritual area, he means during the actual ritual effect?

[blissful onyx]

During the actual ritual yeah

[crystal mantle]

I think he's confused then

[blissful onyx]

So you want to use your vessel on the last one you do

[crystal mantle]

he suggests full clearing the map, then doing the rituals in order of "one with the most mobs to least mobs"

implying that mobs killed around, when the rituals have not yet been triggered, matter

[blissful onyx]

The kind of mobs do yes but that's based on the map

[crystal mantle]

I see

[blissful onyx]

The number is set

They did this deliberately

If you watch the ziggyD + Wilson interview from league start, Wilson says they explicitly didn't make it so you have to corral monsters into the zones

[crystal mantle]

ok ty

I've not seen it

[rigid stream]

There is a "secret strat" but i dont wanna Share . Especially since its not very consistent

Because you can make better vessels than you normally can. However you are still subjected to Ritual Mob Rng in your next map

Also Not every map is the Same, some are vastly better than others

[dusty umbra]

@rigid stream assuming it's something with rogue exiles?

[rigid stream]

no

basically, you take either infused domination, or warbands and run certain maps

because certain maps spawn the warbands next to the boss and as such, if the ritual spawns on the boss, you get very very filled thingies

however

that is fairly random if it works or not

so twllign people to do that is kinda wrong because it might not work and the filled vessel may not give that much bonus afterwards

[sage flame]

Ended up getting a +34% chaos DoT multiplier and +1 to socketed chaos skills on level 3 staff from Ritual, at level 3. Nooooot a bad start to Trickster ED/Contagion build.

[fathom raft]

since the patch, all my rituals are timing out instead of completing when all enemies are dead. Anyone else having some weird issues?

[rigid stream]

rituals cannot timeout afaik

[regal cosmos]

Invisible enemies, maybe?

That was my problem, I tried placing totems in different places within the ritual zone to try and have the AI killed them.

[barren fox]

Looking for Apocalyptic ritual site if anyone happens to find one.

[blissful onyx]

Try running crimson township, they tend to spawn there

[wet plaza]

Any idea where the sanguine ones spawn?

[tawny plover]

@silver kettle are the basetypes for the ritual iLevel locked or something? Since i've started red map, I don't belive I have see any

[wet plaza]

No they're not, just search one and you'll find plenty on trade

[nimble sun]

just ran maven's invitation: the shaper guardians with a friends, and neither of us got the uncharted points..anyone know why?

[cobalt falcon]

For reference I get sanguine underground sea, haunted mansion

Beach

Thats only 3 i remember

I think its random

[livid blaze]

wait

please remind me again if ritual can or can not revive master mission specific mob?

[storm crown]

@blissful onyx rather not doing that map again 😆