Does general quantity in heists from a brooch increase the quantity of everything dropped from chests? or is the quant only effecting non chest drops
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empty musk
cold bridge
with heist brooches does currency buff affect harbinger i assume? coz i can't see a specific roll that yeah
stone turret
Anyone here getting one shot in prohibited library grand heist? just wondering its happening to me because i didnt invest in chaos resistance
those poison projectiles just instead kill me whenever I try to dash through the gate mobs
instant*
stone turret
chemist
barren crescent
The only thing that has been scary for me in those are those "slow" yellow balls
the green geysers I just try to not touch at all
stone turret
ya i believe that was the thing that one shot me
i mean its hard to escape when there are so many of them casting it
and you just need to leap slam across them
but failed
lol
stone turret
sigh wasted 2 blue prints just like that
stone turret
hmm not sure
literally no escape is what i feel no matter how i try to dodge them
if you not experiencing it then its just likely my gear is not ready
barren crescent
1.6k + 3.9k dmg and 25% of that comes as chaos
~1.3k chaos dmg pre resists
void wing
Oh hey revealing escape routes does count for the reveal rooms challenge.
barren crescent
hmm
Hard to really comment further without knowing your life, phys reduction, chaos res
stone turret
barren crescent
-60%, only 5.1k life as melee, you got no active skill even in your gem links so I can't even tell if you trolling or not.
so you'd take 5050dmg just from average ball, assuming both of those numbers come in single package. This is including your fortify, but ignoring armor
stone turret
earthshatter is not recognized by pob for some reason
barren crescent
Yeah this could easily 1 tap you, IF this is the skill hitting you
Where did you get this pob code from?
stone turret
erm generated through my pob
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stone turret
great thanks for that
ya i am thinking if should start investing in my chaos resist
barren crescent
Ever since 3.9 Chaos res hasn't been a meme
Getting to 0% is good goal for reds
or just get 8k life
stone turret
ok will try out either one, thanks for the advice
meanwhile.. let me download the new pob
neat~
believe you can see it better now
but yea life pool too low
valid isle
im loving flame wall
but the width of the skill doesnt quite match its animation
so mobs are sometimes standing in the fire but not being hit by it
oblique tundra
So, I just got a natural exalt drop from an essence reward chest.
Double checked all gear; no 'chance of additional currency' affixes
I guess exalts are just on the drop table for essence chests?
For some reason?
(I do have 'chance of additional legion' on my trinket, so conceivably it's on the legion drop table instead...)
smoky yarrow
Anyone know if wakano will offer lower level heists if I want to level early in heists themselves?
lyric shuttle
WOT A FUCKING JOKE, I'LL BE 100 before I see these https://i.imgur.com/ItYFT1f.png
copper kernel
werent they added a few days ago
violet nymph
i think breaking the unbreakable and death to darnaw existed early on
or maybe it was just death to darnaw
frigid holly
@lyric shuttle I actually got both 'Breaking the unbreakable' and 'Death to Darnaw' within 90 minutes of casual mapping yesterday, so they cannot be that rare
oblique tundra
I tried Darnaw a bit ago. He was pretty rippy at level 83.
lyric shuttle
what a c0ke head https://i.imgur.com/02cCRBv.png
noble stump
Hello guys .... i was thinking.... were do fenumal lures com from this league?
inner latch
@oblique tundra It's because they added random drops out of the main path chests to all side room chests. So all side room chests can drop almost anything, since to begin with the main room chests were a mixed bag. Pretty sure.
torn flower
hey guys, newer player here. i am racking up these currency - where do I spend them?
inner latch
Do you mean the rogue markers for the league mechanic?
torn flower
yep
inner latch
They're spent mostly on the blueprint drops, which are what you use to start grand heists
torn flower
ok cool thanks
inner latch
you can reveal stuff on the blueprints, costing you extra coins, to get more stuff in the grand heist, at that npc next to the fence.
regular contracts cost them too, but you make more back than you spend if you complete it.
tender vine
which other rogue uses projectiles besides nenet?
oblique tundra
Karst
(Also, you should equip your aura arrowhead trinket on non-projectile people just for the aura...)
wary smelt
i hate perception
frosty aurora
might as well vendor bad contracts
livid apex
it sucks that whakano's contracts don't count as real contracts for discounted blueprint reveals
quiet cipher
hey can anyone explain this example term (from the blueprint trade ) : ~price 0.5 p50C dupe fee(15curr 4car/4vin) , i understand its a 15 currency bp etc but whats that 0.5 p meant? and 50c dupe is i provide the beast and pay seller 50c so he dupe the bp?
next epoch
The 0.5p price is a dumb trick to make the item show up first when sorting by price.
deft girder
Aye my 3rd ilvl 86 in heist.
They have really bad drop rate though. I hope I can find ilvl 86 of the new base.
quiet cipher
those high currency blueprints come from rerolling 5 bp to npc is it? is it just base from rng or the reroll bp add up?
empty musk
do you get more experience if the map is a higher level for your heist member?
rigid stream
Yes
cedar wigeon
Is Replica Farrul's Fur bugged I dont have Onslaught while having Cat's Agility?
violet nymph
Is there a guide for easiest 24 challenges? Im at 12 rn
past badger
Google heist challenge, there is usually a guide on reddit for each league
barren crescent
There is good amount of challanges that are easy, but require playing
instead of on/off completions
Like level your rogues to 5, fully gear them
opal sparrow
hey guys. just wondering. i just created a new character. do you unlock the thief's trinkets slot after you complete your first grand heist?
still mural
to add, there's a statue (like a crafting recipe) in the final room of trinket/currency heists which unlocks the slot, and ofc you need to pick a trinket as one of the end rewards to put into that slot
opal sparrow
yeah. i unlocked it on my other character but i didnt recall what i actually did to unlock it lmao. thanks guys!
still mural
@violet nymph https://old.reddit.com/comments/j01v35 if you still need the link
violet nymph
Ty
honest egret
do i understand it correctly that the Secondary Regrading Lense changes the alt quality, like form divergent to anomalous ?
still mural
it changes the quality from the current type to any other available type. so from normal to divergent/anomalous/phantasmal, or from divergent to normal/anomalous/phantasmal @honest egret
(phantasmal is the third type, right? I forget)
still mural
gl!
twin niche
what affects the amount of skill exp gained when completing heist?
jagged surge
eager terrace
skill XP is purely area level & rogue gear bonuses
austere tulip
Do the replica uniques drop in the Enhanced Armaments grand heist or is it a different one? Every single GH of that I've done has given me the worst items I've ever seen and I never pick anything up
devout osprey
it says "replicas" on heist reward
austere tulip
Ahh shoot so I haven't even gotten a grand heist for them yet
barren crescent
I think top right on the stash had those
there was at least 1 more as well, but don't remember which
green sequoia
what affects the amount of skill exp gained when completing heist?
@twin niche area level is all that affects it as far as I've seen
83s give around 600xp iirc
finite rune
Where can you find a tailoring orb?
eager terrace
in grand heists with "trinket or currency" reward types
finite rune
Thank you.
dull pawn
quick question, is it better to lvl up one crew member for each task first or keep them all about the same lvl?
finite rune
level up crew memebers main ability to max to have them prepared for grand heist I would say
bleak cipher
Are there any good guides on leveling/gearing rogues?
hot quail
Grimro has been making a lot of content on YouTube on heists and rogues
round spoke
What can i do with green items dropping in heists like "census records" or "Mervils Wedding dress"?
hmm thats odd
maybe i should have read more what i have to do ^^
but now i seem to have completed the heist an now have those green items in my backback that i cant even put in my stash
let alone sell to faustus
ahhhhhhh
sorry im dumb
thanks that was it
unique orbit
is there a required level for the green contracts or can I just go to like act 8 and farm the harbour bridge for smugglers cache to finish them out?
still mural
there are required zone levels for them to drop, I believe
unique orbit
ah dang.... im stuck on 13/15 and ive been doing t16 maps for a bit... just never see the stupid cache on maps
still mural
it's probably on poedb somewhere if you want to see what the min ilvl for the onesy ou're missing is
unique orbit
i see contract mods but dont see the individual quests
oh wait nevermind, think i found them
yep, drop level 78 and drop level 80
white lodge
How do I increase max lvl of heist npcs?
still mural
you don't
they're set
assuming you mean job level?
like, Isla's max level for trap disarming is 4; she can't go higher than that
except maybe with the +job level or +all jobs level gear mods, but we're still not sure entirely how those are supposed to work/whether they're currently working
white lodge
oh ok so what is the purpose of this green contracts?
devout osprey
lore
still mural
Story, lore, progress towards the heist bosses/unique contracts, challenge...
devout osprey
its quest contracts
white lodge
is there i way to check my progression?
still mural
there's a challenge for the quest contracts, yeah
violet nymph
So for all the uniqe heists do you get to reenter if you die?
still mural
no
because lockdown starts when you enter, and you can't re-enter after lockdown's been triggered
(at least that's my understanding from what others have said; I haven't done one myself yet)
violet nymph
So a couple of rogues are supposed to gain reveals upon contract completions, but they're not doing so for me. Do the contracts need to be a certain rarity?
jagged surge
Do you loot the heist target?
violet nymph
I do. I did some digging, on the PoE bug forums there's a post about this topic and it seems people are figuring it's chance based, not a guaranteed 1 for 1
Other theories are that you need to do story contracts for them first (the green ones), and/or that you must be doing heists no more than 10 levels higher/lower than your character
Probably just going to pay premium to the barber at this rate, lol
still mural
I'm pretty sure it's the level thing
or like, contracts sub lvl 68 only have a chance or don't give reveals at all; something like that
signal swan
type /oos
versed roost
Nice ty
barren crescent
Dont think it does as buff shows up only once
violet nymph
do the gear implicits for rougues aplly to us or just them?
should i buy melee gear if i'm melee?
still mural
only to them
the different combat gear types (melee/proj/spells) do have different auras that they can roll, which may be more important for you than matching the type to the damage type the rogue uses
shy hamlet
Which mechanic is this where you get stuck in the door 3 weeks into the league?
livid lake
did you try /oos?
shy hamlet
yes
dim moat
Can you only get blueprints from drops?
dense cobalt
storm crown
@versed roost heard only way to unstuck is with smoke mine 🤔
hazy vault
This is true, I carry my smoke mine with me at all times
livid lake
@cosmic dragon no trading.
cosmic dragon
ok
fresh merlin
Has anyone established outcome rates for regrading lenses?
distant prawn
Mechanics: Punishment damage conversion
Hi, querying the effects of punishment after the 3.12 changes; does damage conversion affect the overkill physical damage from punishment?
Tried testing quite extensively but cant really get a clear result. Hypothetically it should respond similarly to physical explode chests. Also, as it doesn't hit; supports such as physical to lightning wont be usable. The only way I could test this was minor damage tests with avatar of fire and -fire resist to see if any visible changes were present, and if I could ignite with the overkill/area damage from the curse. So far I have mixed results, so cannot make a clear conclusion.
Thanks in advance.
south plume
does the currency duplication on brooches affect the whole chest or just a select few currency from it? it doesnt look like it doubles the chest itself if its even working properly
still mural
I think it is a chance to dupe individual currency drops, not the entire chest ala vinderi
@dim moat drops from monster inside or outside of heists, and I think from smuggler's caches
they're just rare
sour fox
@distant prawn
If the Punishment reflected overkill damage works anything like other reflects, it won’t cause ailments and won’t consider resistance or crit chance. You’ll get bigger overkill values if you hit with fire damage and fire pen, but the overkill reflection shouldn’t be affected further by the pen and cannot ignite.
As for conversion, I can’t tell if the reflect would be your damage to convert or not.
violet nymph
punishment seems to barely help clear
at the very least i wish punishment had some sound effect when it procs the tiny explosion
sour fox
Maybe with blasphemy and a single target melee like flicker strike.
But only if the overkill reflect can also cause explode for a chain reaction
Which I doubt
abstract pulsar
how do i earn reveals with the barber guy?
somber bison
Is it even worth it to do lower level blue prints that you got while leveling?
dusty cove
if you just run them as is for unusal gems its okay.
somber bison
just unusual gems would be the best?
dusty cove
in my experience since there is no ilvl to screw with you
alt quality auras are fairly valuable along with a few other skills
rigid stream
Stuff Like that wasnt super unusual back in the day
Several leagues got Content added midway
onyx badge
what does the yellow eye on the map of a heist do
devout osprey
its meant to be scouted elite packs.
tender veldt
how do i get unstuck?
i got a replica HH and /oos dont work
this is the 2nd time i've got a good drop and got stuck ffs
neat rover
you cry
valid mist
Good to see Heist is slowly exiting the early beta phase and moving into late beta
neat rover
its a mess but... its fun
dont be upset , i bricked multiple unique contracts when they were bugged over 10 ex wasted its fine..
just move on seriously
opal sparrow
yeah. i'm on ps4 so i'm used to crashes on escape i'm not even phased anymore lol
fathom ridge
well that's the second hiest in a row I've crashed in
quaint junco
so i gotta ask. What the hell are the tokens for?
i can't find a shop or anything to get useful crap from them
sinful oxide
i have a single contract with a priceless valued artifact
is this just the marker value of the end item?
quaint shadow
Is this normal?
sacred wyvern
@sinful oxide it's the amount of markers you get for selling the target in the case at the end
sinful oxide
ok thanks
solid fiber
fossil spindle
Help me step-vinderi, I'm stuck
mortal yarrow
Game telling you to take a break
oblique tundra
So... I haven't been able to enter Rogue's harbor for about 3 days. Does anyone know if there's some way of fixing that? Or do I just need to wait for GGG?
still mural
That's very odd; have you posted a bug report in the forums?
celest ember
How do I finish unlocking all the rogues? I still have 3 I have't found.
still mural
Karst brings Huck, who brings Niles, who brings Vinderi, who brings Gianna
Tibbs brings Tullina
Isla or Tullina bring Nenet
run contracts (not blueprints not green quest contracts, not unique contracts) with the listed rogue and they'll bring the second rogue, usually doesn't take many tries. if you have trouble, you can try bringing them on a different skill, or specifically on a job level 1 required contract; unsure if that matters.
sharp iron
PoE is pretty frusterating when you don't have stun immunity. I've now had 2 Heists that I've lost because my character suddenly stopped in the middle of a mob pack and got killed while I was spamming my movement skills during lockdown
uncut vortex
does anyone have a heist cheat sheet on who to use and such
barren crescent
#guides-archive has 1
deft ermine
what should i reveal in priority on my blueprints? currency/div card rooms and extra wings?
still mural
all the wings & good reward rooms, yeah; skip meh rewards and skip the exits unless they're placed well & it's a scary one where you want to exit sooner
quaint junco
can anyone tell me what the purpose of the marker is? i have tons and no idea what to do with em
still mural
go to the town in act 1 and talk to Kurai there; she'll tell you to use one (right click it) to go to the rogue harbor and start doing heist stuff
quaint junco
right i've done that already after that do you buy shit with them or are they only used to hire people for contracts
i can't seem to find any other use for them outside of hiring people.
still mural
they're used to pay to run contract heists, quest heists, unique heists, and to run & reveal blueprints for grand heists (which is the main/most costly use of them)
quaint junco
ah ok
still mural
high level blueprints can be quite expensive
valid mist
this a boss hand?
devout osprey
touch it and breach with monsters spawn
valid mist
Yeah, I mean
I'm about to hit A8 I know what breaches are, lol
I just remember that there was some way of telling if it was a boss breach before opening them
bigger hand or something
devout osprey
huh, didnt know that
valid mist
What if I get Chayula? Maybe I'll get a whole FIVE splinters!
Hm, not boss
yikes, nearly just got splatted by Voll
thank god I popped Enduring Cry and Steelskin right before the slam landed
survived with like 80 hp
dim moat
does ilvl matter when rolling heist equipments?
devout osprey
higher ilvl can roll higher rolls
dim moat
so im guessing i only roll maybe 80+ ilvl?
devout osprey
probably
still mural
you can check poedb for specifics
but yeah, most rogue gear mods have their highest (or only) tier somewhere in the 80-84 range
sharp iron
I believe Contracts, Blue prints, and Rogue equipables are the only items that can be modified by common currency (like transmutations) but cannot get quality on them.
coral garden
Jewels
civic wyvern
Does + to level do anything if they are already lvl 5? Does it make them do their task faster or something?
past bloom
How come underbelly/smuggler's pass are selling for more than the other contracts? I thought the exp thing only worked on tunnel and repo
cunning blade
repository has a bad history of dumb shit besides bugs
like on death effect robots and laser beams
still mural
they're the easy ones, combatwise (underbelly/smuggler's den)
ember valley
do you guys alch contracts?
coral garden
No
weak jetty
i alchtransmute lower level contracts for things that dont matter, they seem to get more treasure rooms that way. but nothing serious, blue only
ember valley
gotcha, t hanks
hoary mauve
velvet palm
Switch it to just "does his job"
Otherwise it implies he will instantly interrupt his job if you move away go protect him
eager shale
does + to level on heist gear actually do anything? and whats the difference with something like + to Demolition skill level?
past bloom
Not currently, but next patch is supposed to fix it
north dragon
- level on heist gear is just + level to their current level, unless it says job level
and the job level one is bugged atm
current level as in not the job level but level
eager shale
oh i see, so makes them stronger, lame
tranquil sigil
ye but if u have maxed out jobs, the job level isnt gonna do anything to it i assume?
maybe for sidejobs?
wind totem
heist lulw
silver moss
do alched heaist give more xp? or is it not worth the risk from rippy mods
marsh monolith
I think they do but way higher risk of dying too, so not really worth it
on contracts that are challenging for you. I alch ones that are easy
violet nymph
Anyone knows if there's a heist contract vendor recipe?
I wanna upgrade those low level stuff
sand herald
can you make alternate quality gems into vaal skill gems ?
for example alternate reave to alternate vaal reave ?
silver kettle
Yes @sand herald . Note that the Vaal skill will have its normal quality bonus (though the non-Vaal skill will keep its alternate quality).
sand herald
ah right, thanks 🙂
was wondering a bit how the additional stacks would work with vaal reave 😅
silver kettle
Yeah it will still only go up to 8
sand herald
wait isn't reave stacks 4 normally ?
also is there a list of what weapons what heist members use ? or does it matter with the 'damage' items you can give them
feels stupid to put spell damage item on a melee >.<
fathom ridge
the damage they do doesn't really matter, so just give them whatever buffs their other stats the most
twin niche
I read that heist chests spawn more often pre-maps - if I go farm some (straighforward) act zones will it spawn if I'm far into the maps?
sonic glen
so I'm trying to get the heist reward challenge from small chests done, and I've never gotten maps - is there an ilvl requirement for it?
sharp iron
Has there been any confirmation that the character windows which feature the portraits of them will become standard for more NPCs? I recall the trailer for Path of Exile mobile showing something similar for Zana, and it looks really good.
devout osprey
thats a poe 2 thing iirc
sharp iron
Makes sense
solar grove
am I supposed to be getting the same green contracts over and over?
solar grove
i have completed them though
and I keep getting the ones I've already completed
if I check my challenges the quest is already showing completed
I can't get green contracts except these ones
teal birch
anyone have tips for increasing survivability in heists? i'm struggling to avoid one shots in i83 heists with 5k Hp + 1.3k ES and max block/spell block
sonic jacinth
languid cape
well, technically the final target is where the projectile stops
coral garden
Ball lightning doesnt stop
It doesnt get stuck on walls like arrow does
Also traditionally the return mod doesnt work on projectiles that pierces all
languid cape
coral garden
"Returning is a behaviour a projectile can have to continue travelling after a hit, like pierce, fork and chain. The projectiles will return if they hit a target and do not pierce/fork/chain from them. If they pierce/fork/chain, they cannot return on that target (but can on future targets if they don't pierce/fork/chain on those)."
small wigeon
is there a way to know what level of job a wing is gonna require? i'm so sick of revealing a wing and suddenly my blueprint requiring thaumaturgy 5
coral garden
To your location
hoary mauve
Agility Heist with Karst are broken Havent tried with Tulina
Karst always runs into a corner instead of to the level when trying to open the final lock to the curio
No matter how many times you run away and reset he will always do the same thing, two so far that ive tried have bricked like this
small wigeon
i just did one with tulina
got the same bug
at last door
she ran to the corner and didnt open the door
hoary mauve
K so its the agility heist themselves not the rogue
valid isle
So is this the first league that after a month (or there abouts)
is still not fully online?
(dont mean bugs, just actual boss fights and stuff)
cunning blade
first league in quite a while
no idea how older leagues I wasn't there for went
cuz ik beastiary and synth were quite the dumpster fire too apparently
mint wolf
@teal birch chaos res? phys res? always be moving. watch the mobs telegraphed attacks. use void sphere or taunt totem in dangerous doorways to lure mobs out. dont accidentally run through trap rooms you need to disarm. some heist loot chests have mines underneath them. you can press v instead of having to click the door icon to tell your follower to open a door (so you dont have to stand still)
cast when damage taken setup. + Minimum endurance charge on rings. enduring cry (free 2.5k health over 1 sec every 8 - 6 seconds depending on if you link it to second wind)
fortify through movement skill. infused channeling if using a channeling skill. proper pantheons? (with their upgrades)
sinful oxide
just get a level 21 frost shield
and plant it in front of the door
1000 hp per stage so 4000 hp
will tank that burst from the door and allow you to return fire
sharp iron
I have been avoiding campaign progression and just focusing on Heists because I don't want to deal with Kitava's curse of -20% all resists and lose EXP on death.
However, in doing so, I have been able to get the Slaver's Revenge Quest and for Whakano to talk about Kitava's rebirth before I have slain innocence and caused Kitava's rebirth to actually happen.
My guess was that they intended for the contract to be dropped in the Torched Courts and later, but didn't set things right, causing it to be droppable in the Templar Courts before the area became the Torched Courts. GGG might want to tweak some story flags to prevent this continuity error from happening.
sinful oxide
are you saying you can play level 83 heists before even losing any resists?
sharp iron
I'm level 51 and got the Slaver's Revenge story Heist contract
Obviously there will be a point where I should progress the campaign again, because pantheon powers and passive skill points outranks resistance downs eventually.
still mural
Probably worth posting a bug report on that @sharp iron not the hugest of issues but clearly not intended
sharp iron
Thanks
Probably shouldn't have completed that quest without taking screenshots. Now I have nothing to show for the bug report.
main epoch
I keep seeing people talk about using characters with a low level cap on high jobs by increasing their level using equipped items. Is that a thing or are they just mistaken? I can't figure it out
still mural
I genuinely don't know what the effects of the +job level mods actually are
main epoch
which items are they even on?
terse dagger
it increases the level of the rogue itself. It is esserntially useless..
still mural
they're both i82/83 prefixes on job tool gear
there's three level mods: +combat level, which is common; and +specific job level & +all job level, which are ^
main epoch
ah I see them cool
Yeah the character level one is the one I was trying to use 🤣 it useless
still mural
yes, that one is basically useless 🙃
main epoch
oddly enough it might have a hidden effect according to poedb but that might just be a bug or could be useless (on mobs only) but who knows
verbal crest
What are the advantages of fracture fossiling contracts vs beast splitting them?
half sequoia
after the patch is +char level one of the best affixes for our rogues? heard it buffs their effects
cunning blade
like vinderi dupe chance?
half sequoia
yeah that's what I heard but trying to verify
verbal crest
okay is anyone's ping spiking really high exclusively in heists?
frigid venture
Does this mean that GGG is preparing for the possibility that Jamanra's Rest won't be released in time?
neat rover
forget about it
they're too far behind
and heist is still bugged
..........
idk i feel like 3.13 is gonna be disaster
rugged fjord
hi there. would you say that its better to farm low level areas for low level contracts to just run them for rewards or how are people getting their contracts?
small mirage
do high level ones
you dont need to alch them
unless you can comfortably run them alched
austere anvil
how do you get alt quality gems to 40% quality?
tender tusk
diallas, new helm, enhance in a +1 tabula
light adder
replica voideye
austere anvil
so that league challenge is by socketing in items?
tender tusk
yes
austere anvil
velvet palm
idk i feel like 3.13 is gonna be disaster
@neat rover has been for the entire month it's been out
sour mountain
Diallas is cheap mustanf
Red socket enhance, green socket gem, e easy peasy. Just gotta level or buy the enhance.
frigid venture
@neat rover has been for the entire month it's been out
@velvet palm have you seen the future or something 👀
velvet palm
I have the unrivalled power of seeing the past and the present
frigid venture
3.13 hasn't happened yet tho
modest yoke
What with those 1gb+- patches every week ?
light adder
They are..patching things and adding the boss fights not released with leaguestart?
modest yoke
Big boss fight, my hardrive will have hard time to fight them
quaint shadow
It's one of those games where small updates still require large file sizes due to engine age and how badly fucked the code base is
its not a coincidence that every patch during heist has broken as many things as it "fixed"
the spaghetti code would catch up to them eventually and heist seems to be exposing that issue, along with GGG's inability to create expansion sized leagues every 3 months
modest yoke
dunno was playin RO before and that was old and spagethy code game, but patches were like 1-20mb xD
quaint shadow
GGG is still making money hand over fist, so I can't see them changing until people stop playing. But people spend all day on Reddit and Discord QQ'ing about the game, but they still keep playing and they still keep buying MTX.
Id also love to know how involved Tencent is with creating systems that are deliberate timesinks/ways to maintain MAU's
Assuming you're talking about Ragnarok online, don't compare apples to oranges
modest yoke
y one patch there is 1/4 of RO whole game size 😄
quaint shadow
Because, RO is a game from 2002 with pixel/3ds graphics. Not even remotely the same as what it takes to patch a game like POE with subsantially more involved systems, integrations and graphical components
barren crescent
every numbered updated often is important for some aspect of the game being changed
hotfixes aka the alphabetical naming after the number are often more or less insignificant bugfixes most of the time
quaint shadow
If you think patching things is just some easy flip switching thing, you haven't worked in development. People are shitting on GGG, but I guarantee their coders are getting fucking slaughtered mentally right now
barren crescent
Dunno, I'm happy with the patching now, technical patch was really a life saver for steam users
quaint shadow
You couldn't pay me enough to try and deal with/manage the vast number of interconnected systems in POE
modest yoke
Tis cant be about code, code has literally no size (if we do not count whole git)
mortal yarrow
Huh
quaint shadow
Code has no size, spoken like someone who has never worked on a project outside of a script.
modest yoke
I could code whole year and it would not be more than 30mb
mortal yarrow
If you change a part of a code that is interconnected to something else you almost guaranteed would mess over the interconnected system
Very simple hard to avoid tho
modest yoke
depend on object model
quaint shadow
Heist will go core and the changed version of Harvest will go core at the same time. The QQ will be endless and glorious
It's a shame, the best thing about Heist is the currency generation, but it will get nerfed into oblivion like every other league mechanic and just become another tedious form of content like all the other old systems still living on life support in the game
I'd never run maps again if Heist currency generation stayed as it is now when it goes core
Running maps after doing hundreds of heists, feels like shit
modest yoke
Curencier are really low now, but maybe at harvest they were too high ?
dindt play before so do not know
quaint shadow
It's impossible to predict how the market will change in 3.13 until we know more about how they are implementing Harvest to core.
If Exalt's go back to 170-200c for the majority of the league, it's going to feel really rotten after how rich everyone is this league.
mortal yarrow
Wish they would just rework syndicate and essence crafting instead
modest yoke
Was crafting like mad at harvest, didnt craft single thing this league just market 😮
quaint shadow
Every old league system needs to be re-worked at this point. They all suck and are nearly a waste of time unless you hit the magical RNG jackpot
modest yoke
blight is best 😛
quaint shadow
Breach is terrible, Legion needs to stop dropping individual splinters and the chest's need to be as good as they were during Legion
mortal yarrow
Hows breach terrible?
modest yoke
just wish there would be something more after blight 16 tier, some quest line or something
quaint shadow
Drops are terrible and 99/100 breaches aren't Chayula which is the only relevant one.
quaint shadow
I can open maps and kill mobs, doesn't mean it's good
mortal yarrow
Chayula is used for xp grind only
quaint shadow
If I open a breach and it's Xoph and it's in a bad spawn location (it always is) I can finish clearing the map and be halfway through another map by the time I finish that breach and pick up my worthless Xoph breachstones
mortal yarrow
Xoph used to be one of the better as well
Its just the power creep making the items they give a bit bad
Clusters made 90% of uniques worthless
quaint shadow
in POE it's all about time/profit ratio's. Breach simply isn't worth the time you spend waiting and looting most of the time unless you specifically need mob kills like Delirium
90% of Uniques were worthless before Clusters 😄
mortal yarrow
Not really
quaint shadow
another aspect of the game that needs fixing
mortal yarrow
Clusters makes the game dull sometimes its just another power creep for minmaxing
quaint shadow
I don't even look at uniques when they drop anymore unless it's about a selection of 10-15, the rest are straight garbage or only useful for leveling
mortal yarrow
Pretty much
quaint shadow
I've never not felt that way in POE. Cluster's didn't change that for me.
I got excited for uniques during my first league, never again since. Because its trash 9999/1000 times a unique drops.
mortal yarrow
Almost every build goes clusters nowadays its almost mandatory
quaint shadow
The game is all about efficiency, so if something is better, anything else will get dismissed as not being optimal
mortal yarrow
Sadly yes
Which is why most league mechanics are ignored
Why do heist when I can run 100% delirious T16 maps
quaint shadow
It's why the meta is the way it is and why there's actually very limited viable build variety in a game where there should be dozens if not hundreds of viable builds
I made nearly 50ex in 2 days in heist, not sure why people keep trying to say it isn't a money generating machine
quaint shadow
I won't buy RNG orbs, so I guess my delirium experience is limited.
modest yoke
Alternate gems /repicas should just drop from all chests.
mortal yarrow
God no
modest yoke
why there is how many 600 new gems ?
quaint shadow
I've ran a few 60/80% DRM maps, yeah it was a ton of loot to pickup, but almost none of it was valuable
At least with heist, i know im walking out of every contract/gh with 10-20c
and the contracts take 2-4 minutes
modest yoke
you look on market and find 1 or 2 of one kind its insane
quaint shadow
They're chase items
quaint shadow
Heist is so blatantly designed around timesinks, it's actually crazy it isn't talked about more.
mortal yarrow
- chain range on my arc
quaint shadow
It's an ARPG, so most people would never agree with this statement, but there's too much loot in POE.
There's too many meaningless/worthless items and too few truly valuable/desirable items.
mortal yarrow
There's too much insignificant loot
quaint shadow
It's one of the reasons I liked heist at first, there were some crazy rolled rares coming out of the GH contracts. But I haven't seen many good ones since the first week.
mortal yarrow
The first one I saw was insane
modest yoke
it took me month to get hands on vall summon skelies (archer) just to find out they are not worth my time, so much of plans perished 🙂
mortal yarrow
Lost it to dc
quaint shadow
And it's one of the reasons why Harvest will go core, more players having fun because their gear isn't gated behind 40ex cost sinks is better for the game than having half the "best" builds never being playable outside of people who RMT or streamers who can play 24/7
mortal yarrow
Harvest makes ssf playable
quaint shadow
People are just mad because Harvest will take money away from the god-tier crafters
mortal yarrow
Without harvest we rely on alt and essence crafting
Only ever crafted 1 good item without harvest
quaint shadow
I did SSF for the first time this league, got through the acts, then switched to trade
mortal yarrow
If you honestly want early currency make a speedrunner and farm watchers eye
quaint shadow
i dont like making the game a job, i look for a fun build that wont frustrate me or put me in a position to fail
but depending on how they handle Harvest, SSF is something I'd consider more often
but as it stands, stuff like slamming exalt orbs, or chaos spamming, feels awful
I slammed my first exalt this league and rolled the worst of 4 possible mods, will likely never do it again
On the flip side, I've 6 linked 3 chests in less than 500 fusings, so that's something
modest yoke
Fusings, never again 😄
fallen terrace
so what exactly are you supposed to do about observer totems besides running past them
quaint shadow
u talking about the red flashing totems that raise alert level?
quaint shadow
Run past them, loot as u run, or forget about the chests
midnight phoenix
If u want to actually kill them so u can loot the chests u can hop close to them to get the npc ai to run close
Then hop away when its about to pulse
Then come back in to kill it afterwards once the npc has revealed it
That is slow so i dont do it
But it is how to kill them without raising alarm
quaint shadow
i just open the chests and keep running, the chests outside of Reward rooms are worthless 99% of the time now, I've yet to have to run back for loot
quaint shadow
I've had an exalt trinket for 200-250 contracts/grand heists. Never seen an exalt from a chest outside a reward room
carmine fiber
i skip a bunch of reward room types and open small chests instead
quaint shadow
i do the same, still never seen one
carmine fiber
interesting
quaint shadow
i honestly didnt know they could be killed, i just loot and run or ignore them. i have mountains of move speed, so i might be biased
carmine fiber
i dont bother witb the totems, too much time
valid isle
i think a lot of those uniques would become less trash if melee/name lock was less garbage
some will always be bad though because what they do and what they are dont mesh
quaint shadow
@small mirage I've never failed one, but afaik, you do it once, die and hope it drops again, like the quest contracts.
I lost my quest contract after dying, so I assume it works the same
small mirage
didnt die so i still dont know
maiden echo
is there a cap on reveals?
worldly kite
Is there anyway to bulk buy contract that are level 60-74?
mortal yarrow
@quaint shadow 255 reveals if I recall correctly
verbal crest
is there a secret way to search the trade website by "chance to not generate alert level opening chests"?
quaint shadow
@worldly kite Search for the contract heist target, and scroll down the list looking for large collections of the same name. Then message them and ask to buy everything
@verbal crest
quaint shadow
quaint shadow
Go to trade, go to stat filter, type alert level and scroll down
verbal crest
ya, its not there for me
verbal crest
it shows up in the link
but not when I do it
weird
well now it does
wtf
LOL
why do I think this is not a fair price
quaint shadow
He's a memer, people do stupid shit like that
or post items for 69 mirrors
or 420 mirrors
verbal crest
ya I know
quaint shadow
desperate for attention
verbal crest
its just the only one that came up
not many people rolling 10% chance to not generate alert level with alert reduction it seems
quaint shadow
you have something done wrong, cause there are 176 results on trade
verbal crest
quaint shadow
verbal crest
nah i was specifically looking for 10%
quaint shadow
There are 16 with 10%
If you run contracts in large numbers, it will pay out much better than opening a few extra baby chests each time
Especially if you target farm stuff like currency and dont waste your time running any grand heists that arent unusual gems
verbal crest
10% in what?
quaint shadow
in the original stat you wanted, not you also want alert level from chests, which makes it a much smaller pool. Which is why that guy thinks someone will pay 45ex to open 2-3 extra chests with literal trash in them
quaint shadow
verbal crest
if I use the link you sent earlier it gives 15 result
but another window gives 1
what is going on
OH
nm
quaint shadow
u have something from a previous search enabled still
quaint shadow
yep, thats why i said its 15 of the original stat you wanted, you didnt initially specify both
verbal crest
i mean the screenshot I posted shows both, but its w/e. The point is it doesnt seem to be a common listing
somber bison
Are heists more exp then maps?
verbal crest
Xp per mob, it seems like. XP per hour, prob not
sudden hound
How do you sustain rogue markers? In SSF, I always run out of markers before blue prints. Should I just be revealing wings only?
It feels really awkward. And Im not revealing every room too. Just currency and uniques.
Regular heists seem relatively bleh in terms of finding cool items, and thats what grand heists are for.
verbal crest
I mean, contracts are supposed to be how you sustain markers though. The end item gives 3x the cost to run the contract and they take like 4 minutes. Do that for an hour and you will have enough markers for a grand heist
or, if you just refuse to do that and just want to run maps for markers, at least buy a trinket like this
sudden hound
Im on SSF, thats why things are a little more tight otherwise Id buy rogue markers.
Should I just be prioritizing gianna and revealing wings only?
and not any side room
verbal crest
if you are SSF, contracts are by far going to be the easiest
the value from grand heists are by far the side rooms, not the end rewards
sudden hound
Cool. What do you recommend for revealing side rooms? It seems hit or miss if they are worth it, I am not for or against it. it'd just increase the cost of a gianna unlocked heist from like 5-8k to like......16k lol
Value in terms of raw currency or actually dropped items?
verbal crest
everything but armor, jewelry, and abyss are good. Though on SSF, even those might be good
I guess it really depends on what you need
I mean there are universally good things like currency and harbinger
sudden hound
I am looking for build enabling things atm. So I do currency and uniques but none of the uniques ever drop well
like they are always bottom shelf uniques
( I can farm a8 sirus and all that, looking to reroll to something better)
verbal crest
but are you looking for a specific unique? Are uniques worth it? Do you want fragments? Maps? ect
uniques are very hit or miss but they seem to drop everything, including HH so its just a matter of volume
sudden hound
Maps no, wouldnt mind legion/breach, no reg atziri fragments are worth it, etc.
So maybe just try and keep doing what Im doing? currency and uniques
I didnt know they can drop HH.
verbal crest
yes, they seem to have the entire unique loot table
I will put it this way
most of the cost of revealing is the wings
so if you arent revealing enough side areas that you still have alert left at the end (not including small chests), you arent getting value out of your markers
IMO
sudden hound
Idk if I agree, it seems like if you want to unlock 3-4 side rooms it might come out to the same as unlocking the wing if not more :/ But I guess it depends if you get 3-4 good rooms and 3-4 abyss/talisman/blight lol
verbal crest
if you are spending 15k already and you are leaving 1 or 2 wings on the table for 2-3k more, it seems like a waste to me
not wings
side areas
to be clear
sudden hound
So your MO is just to farm enough contracts to unlock every room that genuinely interests you?
Leave no interested room un-revealed lol
maybe i should do that. Youre already spending a ton of markers anyways.
I wish they buffed the rate.
verbal crest
I run every contract I get and then do grand heists when I have 30k or so and reveal everything but the worst stuff
im not SSF though, but I also dont buy markers
so 🤷
sudden hound
so I got no excuse 😛
verbal crest
lol
I mean the last one I ran I got 4 delerium orbs, a 21/23 gem, a bunch of currency and a unique worth 150c
good stuff drops in all forms
sudden hound
Yeah but the build enabling stuff is at the end imo
maybe not
I mean usually its trash
but maybe a side room drops a 6L unique...so its relative I guess
verbal crest
In SSF I wouldnt even neglect the armor/jewel/weapons stuff because you can get really good fractured or synthesized bases
sudden hound
Shit, maybe its a trap but I hardly ever loot those.
not a trap
I mean maybe its dumb that I dont. Just a ton of inventory space.
verbal crest
like in SSF, if you get a decent item that has fractured t1 life, it might be worth crafting on you know
sudden hound
Yeah true
I figured they were all mostly garb UNID'd rolls and not smart rolls
Ive been trying to run enough grand heists to see a smart curio roll
nothin yet really
verbal crest
no, most chests have 1-3 either synthesized or fractured items
sudden hound
Yeah but they come unid'd right
verbal crest
It will be interesting, I plan to play SSF for a few weeks after I get bored of trade league, just for fun. Thats probably the things I will look out for.
yes, unless you have a trinket that can Id them
coral garden
I found a couple of good fractured ones running normal contracts
sudden hound
I normally play trade but lately I've been enjoying ssf
verbal crest
but if you are worried about space, you can leave a hiest before the alarm triggers, drop of the items and go back in now
sudden hound
Tho less lately since I've been trying to reroll to a better build
And I can't find gear to encourage a reroll
coral garden
But require alot of crafting to be better than what i already have
sudden hound
Like my char is strong enough for most content besides Uber elder and delirium. Been trying to run grand heists to see if I get anything nutty. And I don't. I see 4 socket chests with good life and res. I see scepter and staves that are okay for spellcasters
Nothing gg
So I'm frustrated trying to find gear to reroll
verbal crest
Ya the end items are rarely the value of contracts
coral garden
Do u id random rares?
sudden hound
Not often no
coral garden
Like im playing tr/ca but im also picking up shield/wands/siege axes to id
sudden hound
I don't pick up much besides veiled items and uniques and currency in heists
When I map I ignore everyything besides high ilvl influenced stuff
I hsve no gearing strategy
coral garden
Well thats why u arent finding stuff to reroll
I did what u did last league because its all about harvest crafting but other leagues i pick shit up
sudden hound
I mean I hsve a hyrris ire 6L and quill rain 6L. Doubt i can make a end game bossing build with those
Linked em in less than 200 fusings together. Spent all my others on a lions eye vision and can't land it lol
I'm so close to transferring to trade bc it'd hard to gear specific builds I have in mind.
sudden hound
But then it means that end game stuff is less meaningful. Like if I get Uber elder kill I will be ecstatic
coral garden
I just roll with what i find
Why would that be?
If u can do UE with items u find, build u crafted
Instead of some cookie cutter build and u instantly buy those items in trade
sudden hound
No I'm saying if I do Uber elder I'm ssf id be so damn happy. But if I do it in trade league it'll be less impressive even with a troll build bc I can just buy shit
coral garden
Oh
sudden hound
It's a weird thing for me, I like creating weird wonky builds but the feeling of accomplishment in ssf is so nice
coral garden
If u play enough u will get there just dont compare it with trade league progression. I havent had any issue doing the end game stuff
sudden hound
So no ill never be able to get a replica abyssus berserker using elemental hit with incandescent heart and Xibaqua,.... But I could easily get that build end game viable on trade
So I'm torn now. Keep ssf or make winky builds. Both are attractive
coral garden
Just keep playing ssf and near the end u migrate some money over to do those wonky stuff
sudden hound
In the mean time just try to pick up as many rares to fund rerolls?
My fear is I won't find anything as strong as my build. And it's not great. Like 800k bleed dps.
undone island
are brooches still not working or they fixed them?
coral garden
800k bleed dps is easy to beat no worries
verbal crest
how so
verbal crest
have you tried restarting the game and going back in?
eternal eagle
you'll lose the heist
verbal crest
you wont, i have done it before
cobalt falcon
/oos not helping?
still mural
(belated, but) as long as you haven't triggered the alarm/lockdown timer, and you haven't been in the heist so long to have lost your harbor instance, you'll be able to leave & return to it just fine
sinful oxide
does using stacking the same rouge still stack bonuses?
still mural
I don't think so
still mural
yep, unless I'm wrong
note that it only matters within the wing, like taking 6 different rogues for a two wing heist isn't going to be better than taking the same team of three for each wing, since rogue perks only affect the wing you take them on
sick hemlock
i just died at contract: death to darnaw, and I can't enter the boss room, is that normal?
vagrant grove
It's probably normal, probably not intended though.
barren crescent
I still have no clue what this does on rogues, it doesn't show up on the perk bonus while in missions. So what the hell does it do
still mural
If you enter a lvl 68 heist, your rogue will be level 68. If you have that mod on them, instead they'll be level 72.
it's pretty bad.
separately there's a "+1 to all job levels" mod (minimum i82) and a "+1 to <specific job> level" mod (minimum i83) on job tools only (center gear slot)
those do scale most perks
@barren crescent
barren crescent
but it didn't scale the drops in i81 heist I did with it
dropped i82 items from magic/rare pack as per usual
still mural
yeah, afaik it's just a small increase to your rogue's combat stats
barren crescent
or does it apply only to chests?
still mural
it doesn't change the area level, only the rogue's level
barren crescent
oh wait, I misread your initial comment
ty
so realistically BIS would be along the lines of:
+1 all jobs
job speed
no alert from chest
still mural
something like that, yeah
hexed crown
heist is the most profitable league yet or i'm wrong? i'm kinda new player and did almost 8ex in 1h
still mural
Maybe not on tibbs; he doesn't get an extra chest at level 6, and idk if he does at level 7 (+1 brute force & +1 all jobs)
barren crescent
Heist ain't most profitable league vs fully juiced mapping
but its like 7 or 8 /10
also is your ex in raw drops nutella? as current 1ex value is like a third of normal ex value
void wing
At this point if something beats fully juiced mapping (read delirium) in terms of profit that'd be a problem.
hexed crown
fully fuiced is when u put 5x delirium orb into a map, right?
hexed crown
Just for know, how much u've to spend for 1 full juiced map?
fathom shuttle
Throw in einhar mission aswell
Alot
If u have currency do it
If ur poor just go mid juicing
And run maps like burial chambers etc which can have alot better chance to drop doctor cards etc when u juice them good
hexed crown
U can do mid juicing with a 5/6 exalted build or u need a fully end game build?
fathom shuttle
Depends on build, but sounds that ur build will lack dps in 5x delirium orb for example
Mobs are really though on t15/16
hexed crown
With ed contagion build, how much i've to spent on build for do mid juice?
fathom shuttle
I had like 2mil dot dps for ed in delirium league and it felt like crap
Dunno how much u got
Maybe even 3mil
But w/e
hexed crown
so ed contagion sn't a good end game build ?
fathom shuttle
Not really if u dont put alot of currency to it
And still other builds gonna scale better
hexed crown
well idk how to do a lot of currency
barren crescent
I doubt anyone doing those T18s 100% deli maps is rocking under 100ex build
hexed crown
If there are better build, before it's too late, i pref to create another account
barren crescent
How is it with newbies that the 1st negative thing they hear about a build = oh this build must be shit, must reroll?
Heck my build can't even do regular atziri
Guess being able to facetank Sirus 8 is just a shit build
hexed crown
Well what's the point of have a "bad" build if u can just create another account and do a better build
fathom shuttle
the problem is that good builds cos a lot of currency
If ur running 4-5ex build atm
hexed crown
For now i'm running, probably 100 chaos build
and doing heist lv 75 "easily"
or even less chaos
fathom shuttle
But u want to do 83 lvl heist
Its big difference running 75 or 83
If u roll yellow heist or white/blue heist matters aswell
hexed crown
waiting for my next step for do higher level heist
from wand to bow
but the bow cost like 600 chaos, so for now i'm just running these heits
rigid idol
@barren crescent most ppl has aurabot too
rigid idol
Solo require huge amount of investment
hexed crown
yeah, but for now i'm ok with a "+ level on socketed game" and "damage over time multi"
it's still a good step ahead for me
from random wand
fathom shuttle
U should go socketed gem +1, +2 socketed support craft with empower and dotm
hexed crown
could spent even more, but idk if to sell this
rigid idol
There no point having it if you cant run it effectively imo
hexed crown
well for the future
rigid idol
Like if you have it and end up have a bad build and cant run heist as much as you want to safely and easy
fathom shuttle
Some layouts like laboratory etc with chaos dmg mobs do insane dmg
hexed crown
then let me ask this question
from random wand to a good bow, how much my damage will increase?
is worth to sell this for a bow?
from random wand to a good bow, how much my damage will increase?
ik sound stupid
fathom shuttle
If u go 1 socketed gems, + 2 socketed support and run with empower alot
Dunno ur current setup
Why u dont use path of building ?
hexed crown
like this?
fathom shuttle
U can see everything u need there
hexed crown
Why u dont use path of building ?
@fathom shuttle how can i use it?
fathom shuttle
Download and import ur character
hexed crown
thanks
fathom shuttle
hexed crown
It's like 2x damage
fathom shuttle
Thats a good starter
Theres alot better ones for sure
Best scaling for ed is to get as much + for ed gem as possible
hexed crown
Ik this is not a channel for price, but no one reply me
for how much i've to sold this item?
sonic widget
Can the thiefs trinket bug out, or am i just on an insane dryspell?
rigid stream
Which one
sonic widget
Regal -> exalt @rigid stream
barren crescent
Regals aren't that common drops to begin with
there is no way to prove or deny it working
bitter ledge
You could do a statistical analysis, but that requires a pretty large sample size of both regals and exalts dropping with and without the trinket
barren crescent
Given that I've had separate leagues where I've had raw 10ex dropped by 90 vs 0 dropped by 90, yeah..... sample size needs to be quite extensive
and you can't even rely on shared data as you can't trust ppl to give accurate data
wet plaza
if only trinket had any perceivable effect when it triggers
inner latch
Yeah I kinda hope they take note of all the confusion, and add a universe "Item DUPED WOO" effect and use it for dupes/upgrades, anything that rolls extra shit or rerolls shit besides regular quant
so we can tell when the hell something is actually working
barren crescent
so we can tell when the hell something is actually not working, just pointing out that his is as relevant as your original comment
ancient blade
is it worth fracturing a 10 currency heist?
runic thistle
is there a guide or a spreadsheet for best items rolls for rogues?
keen grail
at what point is it going to be not worth fracturing a 17 currency heist? fossils are sky rocketing, at 180c right now with some arachnids at 190. not sure how much on avg u would make from a heist since i havent been able to test long enough for any level of accuracy
also i can confirm regal to exalt is working, i had vinderi double a chest with only a single exalt drop which means it was procced from a regal to exalt
i typically am running 3-4 per hour and was making decent profit on 170c costs per, i just have a pretty small sample size(maybe 25 heists) and wasnt sure if there was a more extensive set of numbers to look at
simple crane
anyone getting just bursted super hard by the oraith guards in mansion and library tileset in heist?
been getting one shot randomly, sometimes barely tickle, sometimes one shot...
elfin heron
yo so the rogues passive perks increase with their level. so say i have karts at level 5, 1, 1. is he maxed out or do i have to max all his other levels too in order to max out his perk?
still mural
It's based on their primary level, so his perk's maxed at level 5 lockpicking @elfin heron
though you can increase it further with one or both +job level mods and it will increase his perk
also maxing out his secondary jobs means you can bring him on more heists, which can be quite handy
keen grail
do +job level perks work now?
still mural
yes. but +character level is not +job level, mind.
also Tibbs doesn't get another chest at brute force 6; unsure if he does at 7
keen grail
my goal is to run vinderi and kharst on every wing of my grand heist
wasnt sure if that was out yet
still mural
I'm not sure if that's always going to be possible, but you can get close, yeah
keen grail
i think with mine i can, worth a shot anyways
elfin heron
Thanks!
still mural
Probably, but I haven't seen anyone test it to be certain
still mural
no, that's +1 job level, not character level
dim moat
what does character level do
still mural
if you go into a lvl 60 heist, your rogue(s) are level 60. if your rogue has +1 char level, then instead they're lvl 61.
it's a minor damage boost.
it's shit.
dim moat
is there a ilvl i need for that +1 job level
still mural
yeah, i82 for +1 all job levels, and i83 for +1 to the job tool's job level (like a lockpick would get +1 lockpicking). both can only roll on the job tools, the center equipment slot
undone island
what does the rogue gear mod "+# to character level" actually do?
still mural
undone island
oh ok
glossy lantern
Is the Regal has a 2% chance to drop as exalt worth? (About 450c atm)
pure hound
think my stupid 3% trinket is broken. Not working in my grand heist
cunning blade
lavish pollen
does level of the job skill thats required affect the loot?
still mural
no
lavish pollen
whats the point of having job skill level requirements then? tf
hasty trout
blueprints are the grand heists right?
void wing
I know he can proc on the safes.
frigid venture
Do trinkets proc first or does vinderi proc first?
cobalt falcon
Is that different
carmine fiber
is there a link to max skill levels of heisters?
frigid venture
Trinket proc first = 2 exalts
Vinderi proc first = 1 regal 1 exalt
So there is a difference
still mural
@carmine fiber image in #guides-archive has them
carmine fiber
thank you
leaden crow
@frigid venture that actually explains why that time i got 3 exalts on vinderi instead of 4
frigid venture
Are reveal points ilvl dependent?
void wing
Is there a strat to completing the reveal rooms challenge?
Or is it just gianna and grind?
surreal sentinel
so whats the L and number on these heist job scroll things mean?
worldly kite
If you don't hire the rogue but you equip item on him does the item effect count?
frigid venture
I think the most efficient way for that challenge is just to reveal everything
Revealing only the good rooms selectively would mean a lot more markers wasted on wings even after hitting 60/60 wings
I'm at 60/60 wings but I'm barely at 100/300 for rooms lol
I think it's more efficient to reveal wings with gianna, then reveal rooms with whakano/niles
Unless you have infinite deception contracts
worldly kite
k thanks for answering
void wing
I'm wondering how viable it is to buy or farm lower level BPs for reveals. Since apparently reveal cost scales with level?
frigid venture
Lv40ish blueprints reveal cost is about half
But i don't think it's worth burning any markers on low levels if you're after EGG
Well they are certainly weighted, but i don't think they're ilvl dependent (beyond ilv38 for the lv38 supports)
Not sure how ilvl affects the regrading lens spawn rates either
hexed crown
how do u revail more room?
frigid venture
tender veldt
Smeeta kavat kek, Huck the adarza
small mirage
what precisely gives xp to rogues; is it completing contracts, or doing jobs within contracts?
still mural
completing contracts
it's based entirely on the level of the contract
(and any XP mods on gear/the contract, ofc)
small mirage
does alching them give more xp?
still mural
no
small mirage
alright thx
still mural
unless it hits an XP mod, which I'm not sure is a thing on contracts but haven't bothered checking
dire oyster
Why I some of the Heist Rogues are stuck on a specific level?
What do I need to do so they can proceed to the next level?
small mirage
they cant
each rogue has a main and secondary skill(s)
they can only reach level 5 in their main one
(except vinderi i think)
theres a mod that can increase their job level by one on heist gear
dire oyster
Thanks alot for the response @small mirage , this cleared alot of things
still mural
belated but I'll add that the max level for each rogue in each skill is listed in the image in #guides-archive @dire oyster
quaint shadow
If you hover over their level in game itll tell you if they're maxed or not too, but obviously the guide is easier to read
visual sedge
Heist bugs: the gift that keeps on giving. Had Tulina and Karst on the same heist. Tulina on agility, Karst on locks. Click the agililty door button. Karst goes through the vent...not Tulina. So now Tulina can't enter the vent and Karst won't pull the damn lever on the other side.
I'd say never change...but please do
still mural
post a bug report if you haven't yet, please!
raven pumice
So how do you get reveals for grand heists? I've done a couple heists but still no reveals on any of my blueprints.
prime rapids
Whats the point of unique contracts?
I have done 3 of them and got worse loot then normal contracts and lost a bunch of xp because the boss is bugged on Xbox.
still mural
uncertain exactly how reveals work, but I think it requires heists within a certain range of your level to get a reveal? @raven pumice
raven pumice
Uhuh, I'm surprised we haven't got a conclusive answer on that yet.
prime rapids
Whats the point of the green contracts?
stiff jetty
raven pumice
Yes, you can leave and come back to do the other wings.
still mural
lore/story, progression towards the heist bosses, free loot & xp, challenge completion... @prime rapids
still mural
no, just the unique contracts
but you have to do a chain of green contracts to get to the point that a unique contract can drop
prime rapids
I wish I could drop the 2 I have because they are not worth doing.
Grand heists are alot more profitable and less buggy.
The one boss I fought us impossible to do without dying because he keeps flashing into a black box and then when I die the screen gets covered even more by loot.
still mural
you can drop greens. just not in a town area.
prime rapids
Thanks
still mural
and you can drop/stash/trade unique contracts like any other item
prime rapids
Kinda feel dumb for not trying that
still mural
😄 no worries
dire oyster
Thanks alot for the guide @still mural , much appreciated
still mural
I'd still do the greens if you're in trade, since you can always sell the unique contracts to folks who do want to do them
I didn't make it! but yw 😄
dire oyster
At least you made me notice it, thanks again
prime rapids
One last thing
Whats the point of mods on members gear that says "chance for enemies to drop x2 marks"
You don't get marks to drop in contracts or heists
prime rapids
I almost wish this was harvest 2.0 instead ngl
devout osprey
next league got a new version of harvest if you did not know
prime rapids
The rewards are good for this league but its way to buggy and it seems half the content is pointless.
I do like the new base types and stuff though
coral garden
When is the nxt league teaser coming out? Lol
quaint junco
how do you get more reveals for grand heist?
cuz i got a really nice one but i can't reveal the other two wings of it
still mural
run contract heists. they may need to be within like 10 levels of you to get a reveal; unsure
slow rampart
did they hotfix the brooches to work on duplicating items on heists yet?
still mural
not afaik
valid mist
Hahaha 4 weeks in, major functionality invisibly broken
anyway, I really dislike how you have to run shitty boring content (contracts) to occasionally get to do something fun (grand heist)
honestly if the contracts just a pair of choices at the end rather than the five grand heists do
rather than the shitty coin generation
and coins dropped in maps in actually decent quantities
and reveals didn't cost any dogecoin
that would be much better
(the real chase shit could be limited to grand heists only)