#1┃mirage-league
stark flume
hey +armor might be one of the explicits
somber wigeon
I thought unidentified items only showed the implicit.
violet nymph
How long does a league usually last?
copper kernel
3 months
somber wigeon
3 months
violet nymph
rip
somber wigeon
I'm having fun with the league. It's more compelling to me than Delirium or Harvest, though I do miss crafting
violet nymph
Well, Im just waiting for the next league
Ive already gone back to standard
Is there a trade filter for green contracts?
twin fjord
holy crap almost died to a bleed after I exited the contract
violet nymph
A stat filter on the official trade site that can target the green contracts for the different heist characters... I think that's how you increase their level
But am not sure 
paper inlet
Is there any sort of general optimal strat for running contracts with the latest changes?
I went back to my atlas and ignored them for a while and now I have ~300... Are they even worth running?
hexed vale
where do alternate quality gems drop from exactly? The final room in Grand Heist? Or any chest in Grand Heist?
twin niche
so, I'm not finding this info anywhere: during the grand heist, can I exit between wings to sell loot?
paper inlet
Theoretically yes but in all likelihood you will lose your portal to return because it puts you in a different instance of the harbor than where your portal is
They fixed that but rolled it back because it broke other things and haven't patched it again yet
twin niche
okay, so better not risk it, thank you
paper inlet
Yeah, it's also possible to jump back and forth between the harbor and another zone to hope to find your original instance
But it's not guaranteed that you'll succeed, so it's safer not to leave at all imo
twin niche
yeah, available mechanics are annoying enough, no point in adding to that by my own accord
hexed vale
I just learned it the hard way, lost my Harbor instance when portaling back to stash loot between wings. My 3rd GH lost in a row, the first two I wasn't able to open the final room 🙂 oh well, 4th time is a charm I guess
devout osprey
wait for patch @hexed vale
gentle juniper
I'm so happy that I spent the blueprint and all the marks to reveal this amazing Grand heist ...... not a single wing is open
What the fuck 😄
2 weeks without being able to fix this
amazing
tranquil sigil
are the reward "mechanics" gonna be fixed or ggg decided to kill the rewards after 3 days and feels satisfied with it with keeping it?
thorn willow
@violet nymph green items are quest items and cannot be traded
hard path
how do I do a heist with a friend?
silver kettle
@tranquil sigil there are further changes to Heist content coming, see the latest post in #old-game-news
valid isle
looking forward to the changes
@silver kettle when do the unique item tabs get updated, btw?
I noticed the new shield cant be put into the tab
(ghostly w/e)
valid isle
ahh, wasnt sure that one got picked up, good to know lol
velvet palm
when is heist becoming playable
cobalt falcon
It still 2 weeks in
velvet palm
I too hope it doesn't go core
stuck horizon
I just saw some random reddit mention another Heist reward nerf incoming ?
kind like no more reward chest ?
still mural
haven't heard about that. you can look in #old-game-news for the latest they released on their plans for the league; they mentioned moving some stuff from small chests to big chests, but not a nerf to the total.
stuck horizon
found it thx 😛
north crow
anyone had luck with blueprint drops i've seen 1 since league start
coral garden
Play more
night bloom
yeah i'd say the 1 in 10 maps figure is pretty accurate when spamming T14+
north crow
Maybe tomorrow then like 40+ maps with nothing and only 1 when leveling
That's just today
opal sparrow
what tier maps are you running and what level is your character? cuz there is exp/drop penalty involved as well
opal sparrow
really? 😮
spice cipher
thats only acts
opal sparrow
faark. dammit. I stopped farming Residence because I thought there was a penalty
spice cipher
theres just less xp per hour in lower tiers but no penalty
north crow
I think I'm in my 70s and just getting into reds
opal sparrow
noice. I guess it's just down to RNG then haha
I'm 81 still doing t2-t6 to farm chaos orb recipe. Got quite a few BP's yesterday.
coral garden
@north crow in your 70s and just getting into reds means u buy maps to run and focus on atlas progression. U have barely done any maps at all. I am 91 and just getting into reds. Found around 15 blueprints
river narwhal
level 91 sitting at 99 bonus objectives, about 20 blueprints
70s in red is certainly a lot of map buying
or dying 5 times per map who knows :p
a bit more than 1 in 10 but gotta consider drops from delve and temple as well, so 1 in 10 could be accurate
sick hemlock
do you guys still lose grand heist when exit?
I spent 30 markers still can find the instance that have my grand heist portal
livid pecan
are there any vendor recipes for contracts/etc? any use for the old ones you got when leveling?
hot gyro
what can i do when i switch to Vulkan crashed permantly PoE (i updated my amd)
void wing
There is setting file you can edit outside of poe to change it back to dx11.
Don't know where it is exactly, will have to look it up.
hot gyro
got it thanks
runic thistle
can I go out of a grand heist after I've completed one zone and come back in?
fallen warren
yep, you can drop loot at rogues harbour and return
runic thistle
how do I go back in?
fallen warren
the portal is up
runic thistle
it disappeared :X
shut quarry
you're set into another instance
when you go to your HO and return you have a chance to find it again, sooner or later
known bug, sorry
runic thistle
damn, i'll try it thanks
shut quarry
gl!
hot gyro
hmm it dosnt help more lags than ever
fallen warren
Is there anyway to know if there are going to be safes in the reward room of contracts?
barren crescent
20 marks for getting back into your grand heists seems wurf
eager terrace
I think only templar maps have safes in regular contracts
in grand heists I've seen safes in templar and library
or laboratory, any of the mage/necro guys
still mural
yeah, for normal heists safes are in bunker and records office (and maybe mansion? I forget what enemies are there cause I've only run it, like, twice)
@livid pecan belated but no, there's no vendor recipes for contracts. You can still get some good rewards from low level ones if you want to run them, or you can skip them or discard them. Main thing is that if it's below lvl 68, it won't have Breach, Legion, Delirium, or Harbinger chests.
opal sparrow
hey guys. can you get cotracts and BP's from delve?
@livid pecan you can farm chaos orb vendor recipe pretty efficiently at low heist levels between 60 - 74. I'm level 84 and i'm still running 67-74 heists. it's a gauranteed 2 chaos orb per run and anything extra is a bonus
managed to get all the cluster jewels i needed. now all i need to do is save up a few exalts fora 6 link xD
still mural
Yeah, I've gotten contracts from delve, and if it drops contracts, it can (rarely) drop blueprints
from the lootsplosion, not from any specific nodes
wintry agate
Isla's Designs quest is bugged and cannot be completed, right?
Second time it has happened to me. I get out with the Baffling Blueprints and there is no way to complete the quest, even though it tells me to talk to Isla.
still mural
I don't think I've gotten that one, so idk
can post in the bug forums to be sure they know about it?
wintry agate
Where do I do that?
wintry agate
Thanks, done.
opal sparrow
alot of things are buggy atm. I'm kidna of holding off doing grand heists because I keep getting stuck on the final door. Can't open it. so I'm just leveling my rogues using contracts.
I'm also on ps4 and the constant crashes got me trying to find the right rogue harbour instance to get back into my grand heist. lol
still mural
poe on ps4 in general is just super buggy, I believe
opal sparrow
yep. it sure is. but it's playable still
just barely haha
would you happen to know how frequenty Whakano refreshes his shop?
is it when you level up like other vendors? or is it a daily thing?
still mural
it's when you level up
opal sparrow
trying to get a deception lv1 contract or bp to level up giana. haven't found one yet -.-
still mural
you're more likely to get low job lvl contracts in lower tier maps
opal sparrow
yeah. i might have to grind low tier maps. umm. with the +1 affix on the rogue gear. is it supposed to be invisible bonus? I have it equipped but Gianna is still level 1 in all skills
still mural
the +1 level increases their combat level, not their job level; there's another mod for +level to a specific job, and another for +level to all jobs, but they require ilvl 82+
so if you take gianna into a level 70 contract, and she has +1lvl on gear, she'll be lvl 71
still mural
it's pretty shit 🙃
neat rover
my first unique contractt
first gate
CONTRACT FAILED
are you fucking kidding me
eager terrace
that's intended
well... the alarm is intended, they just didn't implement a better message
neat rover
sarcasm wallach?
eager terrace
I mean that's just how the contract works
it wasn't actually failed
the alarm goes off as soon as you go in on that one
it's just a bad error message
neat rover
bad error or just bricked as we joined
i hope ggg sees this
maybe they can figure out what caused this
bitch was stuck on first door
i'll just go cry in corner
still mural
aw. crashed in a contract heist.
that's only like my second or third of the league, though
brazen flicker
For some reason
All others rogues
Don’t raise alert level
Nenet does for ANYTHING
You walk? Alert, you kill? Alert, you open doors? Alert
copper kernel
youre being spotted by alert totems
present in perception missions
its shit and is getting changed up next patch
brazen flicker
What the fuck are those
velvet palm
they're cancer is what they are
barely visible poles that raise alert and are invincible until a rogue "makes" them non-invincible
green cove
any idea what map GR8BO-Y is in?
copper kernel
he spawns in heists with those inactive robots
green cove
yeah, any way to tell which is that heist?
livid escarp
it's dependent on the tileset, I think tunnels was one of the ones with robots
green cove
it isnt the gargoyle btw
bitter locust
He's the HUGE dog robot that patrols back and forth shooting laser iirc
green cove
havent seen him afaik
green cove
done like 15 different heists, no lucj
signal swan
not exactly easy to miss, you'll know when he appears
stuck frost
Hey there - not sure if this is a common issue - I just started a few minutes ago and I can't log into the rogue harbour. Keep getting kicked out in the loading screen. Anything I need to know?
rigid stream
Do you have an SSD?
signal swan
huh, interesting. The agility lasers, they don't do that much damage if you go fast. You can probably step on the pressure plate faster than tullina.
formal delta
Yeah those and certain traps I sometimes just blitz through. The glowing floor traps that only activate on the escape side do basically no damage
Your mileage may vary of course
still mural
just don't try it with the traps in trap disarm contracts
counter-thaumaturgy, sure; agility, fine
@green cove repository is one of the mech tilesets, I know
green cove
yeah heard tunnels and repo, no luck so far still qq
signal swan
oh, the counter thaumaturgy ones are fine as well, good to know
the enchanted armour rewards are surprisingly good, chest armour is really biased towards high life and multiple resists.
it's a bunch of T3 mods, but it's all the right T3 mods.
dapper dove
Question: is it worth it to alch heists? Or just run them white? Does alching affect the items dropped from chests?
copper kernel
i found no reason to alch them
torpid sonnet
a lot of the mods come with reduced alert level which means you can loot more chests
but they also make it harder, so it depends how much your character can handle
signal swan
I realised that the per 25% alert mods don't apply to getaway
night bloom
yeah definitely alch, decent mods can more than double the amount of chests you can open
signal swan
so I think those are safe
night bloom
Depending on how you have your rogues set up too
signal swan
just avoid the one that increases alert every 10 seconds
night bloom
^^^
signal swan
and the usual reflect whether you can take it or not
night bloom
Anyone know wtf “Maximum Alive Reinforcements” is?
signal swan
also, roll lockpick ones. Even after the alert reduction nerf, with decent gear, Karst can still clear all the chest.
which are the maps with the safes, again?
copper kernel
templar ones
signal swan
ah
fallow veldt
Can we agree that the mod "Monsters have X% chance to drop duplicate rogue makers" on brooch is a bug ? Or doesn't working ?
dense mauve
coral garden
Git gud i guess
fallow veldt
Does scouring a blueprint remove the wings reveals ?
copper kernel
no
warm lodge
@dense mauve should inspire you to work on your build or try a new one. Or run slightly lower heists
fathom ridge
Is there a way to go in and out of a grand heist to drop off loot?
torpid sonnet
Yes you can go through the portal between wings to stash loot
but its bugged atm so you often get put in a different rogue harbour instance
halcyon chasm
I just want niles to move :L
velvet palm
@fathom ridge you're very likely to lose your grand heist if you try it, but it's possible
if the portal is missing you can try to go in and out of the harbour to load into the specific instance of the harbour with your original portal
minor ermine
there is a way
second acount, make char, go in party, use him as anchor to the instance, still chance of getting full instance, but it's worth a try
however
as they will make harbour private
just wait 😛
valid isle
"The Rogue Harbour is now a private area which only you and your party members can access."
it should have started this way, tbh
modest yoke
If i have 164 shield, and have "frost shield" skill which consumes 600 shield per second, that means i can never get more than 1 charge for this shield skill ?
civic yoke
Anyone know if they fixed the Crackling Lance/Intensify AQ bugs yet?
verbal crest
is there an updated graphic of the chest pools of each heist type since the patch
west temple
is whakano no longer selling contracts?? he hasn restock in 2 days for me >_<
leaden storm
have you leveled?
wanton rivet
It refreshes on level?? Pfft
agile ember
Someone did saw the difference with detection pylon, or it's an other patch ?
deep arch
Does anyone know if Vinderi can double the Reward room chests as well as the small ones?
severe juniper
is there anyway to go to base after a Gran Heist's Wing to another?
shut quarry
portal to harbour?
runic rune
has patch arrived?
fathom ridge
So is the loot good now?
mild nacelle
Can you leave a heist without collecting the objective?
do i keep the loot i gathered up to that point if i dont steal the objective?
(ping me because i know i'll forget to check)
young knoll
anybody else have issues when doing heist with niles?? he always gets stuck behind me fighting mobs
terse sinew
@mild nacelle yes, but if it is a grand heist you won't be able to re enter. Next patch will fix that tho
mild nacelle
so i should just run through, pick up everything up until the final item (without triggering alarm), drop it in a stash, and run back in? or am i misunderstanding you?
untold abyss
any tip to how to get this challenge ?
toxic pine
trade for it
terse sinew
@mild nacelle if your goal is loot you dont need to do final reward. If you want markers or job xp you do
mild nacelle
interesting
frigid venture
which is correct about this gem?
cerulean vector
hi, just started the game after that little patch.. first heist is now like this:
shut quarry
@frigid venture B is closer but not correct if you have some +DoT, since MORE DoT is calculated as last
frigid venture
DoT? Where do you get DoT from freezing pulse unless you're doing cold ignite/poison lol
shut quarry
oh that is non-dot dot. just read the maths, pardon.
frigid venture
it's not Damage over time. It's just GGG trying to describe damage falloff lol
also "calculated first" or "calculated last" doesn't matter if everything is multiplicative, save for ailments
eager terrace
pretty sure it's B without the .5 mult
oh no the .5 is still there
I thought the qual removed that line
I didn't even really want to use it before I saw that just now haha
is that the trade site tooltip or the in-game one?
frigid venture
@eager terrace B without 0.5 mult means A lul
eager terrace
yeah sorry I didn't look that closely at first
did you get to check this gem in-game?
frigid venture
eager terrace
man that's confusing
as written I guess I would expect B but that would be pretty wack
frigid venture
I suppose that's more likely too... A would sound too good to be true
eager terrace
I mean you'd be trading more top end than you gain bottom end
on top of losing 40% proj speed
shut quarry
it's still B and if you have any kind of +added damage to that spell it's wrong after all
frigid venture
The thing is that proj speed is already a good way to diminish the falloff... so with 40% proj speed, hitting an enemy at Alt FP's maximum range would have been close to 64% anyway
shut quarry
you can only multiply them if you only use such multiplicators
eager terrace
I'm not entirely sure what you mean
frigid venture
@eager terrace
eager terrace
no yeah I agree with you
that's why I mentioned losing the proj speed
I mean the other guy
about flat added damage
frigid venture
I'm not sure what's the point of alt quality if my illustration is correct
eager terrace
I assumed it was an override
it only makes sense to me if it actually replaces the current dissipation rule
eager terrace
like I didn't even want to use it when I assumed it would be 80-128 lol
if it's not an override then it's junk
shut quarry
eager terrace
right but all of that damage is still multiplied by your less / more modifiers
he's examining the impact of these three multiplicative factors
shut quarry
exatly, and that inculdes added + FLAT dmg before aswell
shut quarry
i never said thewy were irrelevant. figure it our yourself.
eager terrace
yeah okay
anyway
I'll see about grabbing a gem myself to see if the tooltip is just being bad
if it's not implemented as a complete override it's total junk
void wing
The illustration is not to scale either, so it might still be more dmg at that distance.
Though I can't imagine it being very different.
So it would ultimately be kinda crap.
sinful oxide
i dont get this game.. 6.8 k life and glancing blows
is squishy af
not everyone can get max chaos res and divine flesh
agile ember
Dude i'm at 90% elemental res i can still be one shotted by some elemental shit
void wing
There are a ton of factors that go into how tanky you are.
What you've listed is only part of the story.
sinful oxide
idk theres only so much you can do
i can see why people stick to 4k hp and just cross fingers
theres no difference
void wing
Most of the people tanking and doing it well aren't just building defenses, they're also know the game well enough to know what they can't tank.
verbal crest
Wait, you can leave a contract before setting off the alarm, drop off everything you picked up, and then go back in and finish the contract?
when did that change?
this patch?
still mural
I think so
verbal crest
well you can, I just did
still mural
unless that was also a thing we could do all along and we just didn't realize because of the instance bug
verbal crest
I dropped a high value item and so I left not wanting to risk it and it let me go back in and finish after stashing the item
still mural
most of the time the backtracking isn't worth it, but when you get something good, yeah, may as well
coral garden
U cant leave when lockdown starts but can before
rigid stream
people did that from day 1
wind sundial
how do you get more reveals
I've been doing basic heists but I don't see the reveals going up
do you need to do something special
rigid stream
Lvl 68+
valid isle
you could do it all along, yeah
but since it was buggy, you often would lose your instance
so it was only worth doing when you found an ex or w/e
distant osprey
has anyone ever gotten a good unique from unique chests? i swear ive opened 100+ of them in i83 contracts/blueprints and i legimately don't think ive ever gotten a unique worth more than a couple C
its to the point where i rarely even open them anymore...
verbal crest
you ever have something stay in your inventory after dying in a heist. Mostly silver coins?
eager terrace
yeah every once in a while an enemy drop will not be contraband
usually when I notice its silver coins myself
verbal crest
just happened to me with an ancient orb thank god lol
copper kernel
incubators and prophecies arent tagged as contraband
verbal crest
you know, on high level contracts, I think I am just going to run to the end, and open chests moving back to the entrance and just leave without the target item. Doing the math, markers cost about 1c per contract run. I feel like I will make more in the long run not losing some of the stuff I do to awkward mods and such on the contract and will save on not having to re-roll contracts as much.
the only downside is it will cost about 30-40c per contract in markers
then again, if I run tullina missions, I can get sellable token generators in reward chests
so she should sustain herself
nimble socket
The "additional seconds to Lockdown Timer" modifier on Ally Equipment now gives a maximum of 5 seconds (from 10 seconds). Existing items are affected by this change.
The "increased time before Lockdown" modifier on Ally Equipment now gives a maximum of 10% increased time before Lockdown (from 20%). Existing items are affected by this change.
Isla, the Engineer's Heist Perk now gives 30% increased time before Lockdown at Level 1, up to 50% increased time before Lockdown at Level 5 (from 80% at Level 5).
Opening a Heist chest during the Imminent Lockdown timer will now reduce the remaining time by 3 seconds (from 1 second).
why
verbal crest
I dont think it will make that much of a difference
length of the contracts will be standardized and thus smaller and thus fewer chests (I assume), so you are still probably opening every chest
Dropped Talismans in level 68+ areas now drop with higher-tier modifiers on average and with a random Anointed Notable.
this though
Anointed talismans?
next epoch
Gives them some hope of being valuable I guess
As opposed to the current state of affairs where they're barely even vendor food
eager terrace
yeah sometimes
only in that specific side room of templars
usually just back away from it and go back
though that one I think you can just click on directly
verbal crest
it keeps saying its locked
ruby dew
for the challenge "Heist Enchantment Modification"
do you need to have 10 of the 14 mentioned modifiers equipped at the same time? or can you equip 1 of the modifiers and it will be marked off?
eager terrace
try just leaving the room then going back
or mash V and see if he has to open it
just one at a time for that challenge
ruby dew
also, the modifiers that are heist enchantments are in brown, right?
eager terrace
no those are fractured items from synthesis
heist enchantments are the enchants on items found in some grand heists
like the grand heist reward will say enchanted items or something
void wing
I waited for a while and she tp'd back randomly.
Then I told her to do it again and she did.
void wing
So don't immediately give up if she does bug out.
neat rover
got stuck at the same spot
final plume
Do more monsters spawn during escape the higher your alert bar was initially?
Or does it play no role in that
Since taking the final item usually makes the bar full anyway?
peak terrace
i cannot escape a heist after getting the item
cause a door wont open
-_-
tibbs refuses to destroy it
barren crescent
door too stronk
peak terrace
rip contract ?
peak terrace
ive been doing that for like 6 minutes now
ive heard him say "hope this works like 40 times now"
ERE WE GO MY ASS
weary crater
terse sinew
I have a sinking feeling it will
And it'll suck even more somehow
Ggg has really pushed a lot of leagues to go core recently and i think it's not the best for the game
Since they aren't putting any time into reworking old leagues and figure slapping a 10% chance to find something in maps is good implementation
neat rover
Admiral darnaw achievements are bugged
i didnt get hit by wave
and killed him
nothing...
so frustrating holy shitt
strong grail
Bugs are the new norm
vocal echo
really not enjoying current league mechanics, 99% of the difficulty is in the escape, for some reason level 60 heists are more difficult than tier 6 maps, it's never fun to lose stuff you've already picked up, and the fact that there's key quests is really annoying since you cannot put them in storage
rigid stream
That was the Point tho, that the escape is the difficult part
That was even in the Trailer
vocal echo
sure, but why is it so obscenely difficult that even at level 84 i cannot survive a level ~60 heist
rigid stream
Because Player Level has nothing to do with how good your build is
You can have a lvl 100 Char thats crap
still mural
you can drop the quest contracts, btw, if you don't want to do them and don't want them taking up space
vocal echo
🤷 maxed resists, 6000ish ehp, EDC trickster with 46% evade and 30% block, no biggie
still mural
you'll get them again from a smuggler's cache later
rigid stream
Yea and then you get Hit and die
Block and evasion are Nice But dont reduce incoming dmg
They do a Lot of phys dmg and especially laboratory does chaos
vocal echo
ye, was kinda hoping the >60% nullification + EDC leech would balance that out, but not if there's like 40 enemies dealing 4000+ dmg per hit
still mural
that's gonna be a problem with more than just heists, eventually
vocal echo
🤷♂️ imean i went into this thinking EDC was the "Ez mode meta slave" meme build, yet i feel like i've been struggling to get anywhere way more than previous leagues i've played
devout osprey
still mural
I think trickster builds normally go dodge rather than block? @vocal echo but you can always ask for some advice in #build-fixing
vocal echo
i went dodge AND block
still mural
dodge != evade
frigid holly
hmm - random annointments will suck I think (at least on SSF - I guess they will have a market on trade)
still mural
you can stack dodge much higher than evade
random anoints on talismans is still a major buff than talismans without anoints
vocal echo
how though? you can pretty much only get dodge from acrobatics (and after) and boots
sullen scroll
do the "weapon" slots on rogue equipment on the left-hand side affects our damage or theirs?
i.e: the whetstones,arrowheads,stones
modest yoke
Is there something broken in trade system ? Like nobody want anything for 10 hours in row and then in 1 second 6 ppl write on same item , and this happens like all the time last few days ?
potent fog
i was looking for an item and like for 1 hour nobody posted, then all of a sudden 3 or 4 people posted in like 5 minutes
neat rover
heart of glory unique contract is not in the game right?
it doesnt let me open contract
breaking the unbreakable
i talked with isla...
its fucking bugged
everything i do is bugged or what
potent fog
whats the difference between contracts and blueprints?
pseudo hull
my poe keeps crashing
in like every single heist
can't finish a single one
is this happening to other people too right now?
wasn't doing it before this point in the league
modest yoke
And some trade items get like stuck, ppl pm me even hour after I sold it.
(Tried heist yesterday took me 5 min till go to final chest then was fighting 20 minuted to get out, those mobs just go in forever and give 0 exp, so I got impatient and just tried to run off, then I of course died while runing. Half hour of nonsense and 0 reward(was like 1c loot so anyways :D)) its just waste of time for casuals
some bot army :?D
next epoch
yep, bots :/ They buy Blazon for the increased item quantity
modest yoke
oh hehe, had no idea it has some effect 😄
valid mist
Heist is to slow, unrewarding, and rippy. Most of all it gets boring pretty fast
It's great conceptually but the execution is lackluster
They made 'kill shit get stuff', a core part of the arpg gameplay loop, into 'avoid killing shit it's pointless, wait three hours for doors'
pseudo hull
it's not really that slow
the loot is pretty dang good esp in grandheist
and maybe yeah theres a little less urgency than before
juice ur grandheists go for perception demolition lockpicking
get your exalts
get 3 items on all 3 guys u bring to ur grand heist
wanton rivet
i put a goldrim for 1c and i got spammed for like an hour
full valley
Anyone able to explain to me how we do the 40% alternate quality gem challenge?
devout osprey
+30% quaality ring with 10+ quality gem
full valley
oh ok. thanks
sleek dew
what happens if you fortune favour the brave a map with delirium orb, can you still roll delirium and waste chaos?
celest tiger
@sleek dew not sure, but i've done at least 20ish delirium orb'd map with FFTB
and always got something
so i could be just lucky, or maybe they thought of that
sinful oxide
in trade how do you search for a heist target?
verbal crest
T1 lightning dmg on an opal ring
someone should be able to make use of that I think?
latent vigil
anyone know how to fix the issue where agility decides not to kill guard and unlock door?
slender jetty
so, is the +1 to Level of All Jobs mod bugged? I hit it on a tool and it doesn't not increase the levels at all on the person I equipped it on
I also can't search for the mod on the trade site
signal swan
I didn't know there were 'all the same colour' enchants lol
only ever seen 'cannot roll a colour'
valid isle
4 of my 5 ex this season have all come from heist
while im lagging way behind some of the farmers who now have 100s of ex
im at least impressed with the currency rewards
signal swan
I think it's just because we get a lot of raw currency
it's quite noticeable to me as well.
jagged surge
1EX drop from heist and 4 from map drop for me, i have about 300heist contracts to run when they ”fix” heists
slender temple
@jagged surge 4 from maps here and haven't really heisted waiting on the fixes too
jagged surge
I just think the random extremely small half invisable projectiles from some of the heist mobs that literally oneshot need to be changed, its like nothing deals dmg and then i pick up that alch orb and get onetapped, its kinda like the sandpuffs from legion all over again
rigid stream
I think the Sandpuffs are purely cosmetic 
what Kills you are the maraketh arrows
proven abyss
anybody figure out how (Enchantment Additional Crafted Modifier) works?
jagged surge
Works like multimod
half isle
can someone explain why lockpicking contracts are the most valuable?
eager terrace
the side room chests are determined by job type
lockpicking has the currency chests
flat stratus
so lockpicking is the most valuable but what is the second and third?
wooden cloud
alright the only thing keeping my running heists is the cat reward at this point
Seems to be clunky, especially grand heists
neat rover
it seems heists still crash
shrug
I wish there was a pop up with crash and you could insta report it and sends it to GGG
some games have that
hey on other hand.. now that heist instance is only mine my portal saved
thats a good thing
i didnt know..
trail birch
Hey guys. So its my first time trying to run a blueprint. I revealed one additional wing, but I dont see any other ones. I thought there were supposed to be more?
Am I doing something wrong, or is its expected for it to have 2 wings?
fallen tulip
the blueprint will say how many wings are available
you cant reveal more than what it says
void wing
You can return now.
signal quest
void wing
@signal quest #guides-archive
Assuming you're running both sword and shield.
Which is rare, the combo is usually axe and shield.
Because swords ppl go crit and going crit with shield is difficult.
verbal crest
im fine with settling for t2 reduced since rolling reduced and chance not to generate on the same cloak are expensive since they are both suffixes and you cant alt spam them
neat rover
so how do you choose what chests to open since opening 2 BIG ones fills almost half of the alert bar?
for example in grand heist?
you open 3 its almost full
there is zero point of buying other rooms because you cant even open half of them..
bad design..
verbal crest
uh
if opening one big chest fills almost half your alert bar your gear is not optimized at all and you arent rolling your contracts for reduction
next epoch
also: if you plan appropriately and go zoom zoom you can open a handful of chests after the lockdown count starts
stable socket
so ugh how do u guys do
perception
i feel like
regardless of what i try
i lose ~15%
of the alert level
to the totems
spiral cloak
Did they nerf regal orb drops in heist
verbal crest
I dont know, it seems less, I did about 20 contracts this morning and these were the yields, so the regals do seem a bit low by comparison but its a small sample size
fathom flame
How do i get reveal points for grand heists?
verbal crest
completing contracts
specifically ones with niles and Gianna for discounted reveals, otherwise just any contract for the base price reveals
fathom flame
ok thanks 👌
slender temple
solemn relic
with grand heist can i return to harbour inbetween wings? my bag is very full after 2 wings
verbal crest
yes
proper basin
do the + to level on rogue items not give to their skills?
verbal crest
no, they dont seem to do anything atm
lucid stone
I feel like I get better loot from the small chests
main wind
idk if this would go in here or not but considering its a part of the league mechanic, this happens every time I try to go inside the planning room from day 1 of league release
sour mountain
you are hitting a tripwire at the start of the planning room
you have to bring agility with you
next epoch
things I learned yesterday: the animation for trap disarming on a corridor isn't cosmetic, if you move too fast you'll hit a trap that isn't disarmed yet and die
main wind
how to get agility with you from the rogue harbour?
sour mountain
I was joking :(
fathom ridge
Can I leave a grand hiest to go stash my stuff in between wings?
signal swan
Really? I zoom through the moment the bar fills and never got hit by a trap.
warm crown
PSA: Do not take Tullina into the Underbelly Grand Heist's. She bugged on every door i needed to use her on and couldn't get them done so Tullina in Underbelly is a no go.
valid mist
Wtf is up with the Exalted price.
tender veldt
how do i get reveals?
i've been doing lots of heist missions and im still at 0 reveals
cedar wigeon
Alternative quality gems cannot be level 21?
copper kernel
they can
cedar bison
just making sure, you can leave a grand heist to bank stuff before the end box and still be able to go back in and finish right?
void wing
Yes.
modern karma
Could anyone help me get the Syndicate Operative's?
icy falcon
Does alch on contracts do anything with the rewards?
midnight phoenix
They do kill u
old cedar
but . . . they dont?
I just walk through them , how are they supposed to kill me? explode?
copper kernel
you can technically jump through the mines as well
old cedar
i think it has to do with dodge or evasion
cuz sometimes i take like 200 dmg on energy shield but thats about it when walking through lasers, no movement skill just walking
signal swan
The agility lasers and counter thaumaturgy tile maze deal barely any damage
Only the disarmament traps will instakill you @old cedar
Feel free to just waltz through lasers lol
old cedar
ah alright, i thought there was a purpose to them but i guess not
rigid stream
You can Block and evade them, but they do reasonable dmg
misty delta
is there a "new" cheat sheet?
cold bridge
on grand heist if i don't reveal any of the reward rooms are the chests just hidden on the mini map or something?
trying to work out if i actually need to reveal them?
still mural
just the one in #guides-archive @misty delta
You need to reveal them; if you don't, they won't be there @cold bridge
cold bridge
ok thanks. also any tips on how i unlock Tullina ?
is there a specific rogue i should be running with to unlock her?
still mural
Tibbs brings Tullina
cold bridge
ok cool tyty
still mural
tailoring orb adds an enchantment; it doesn't, like, transfer an enchantment from one body armor to another, right?
still mural
if it gives a socket-related enchant, yeah
sour mountain
yeah -3 socket will kill you
trail tiger
hey is it better to just loot these contracts and leave before lockdown or is the end rooms worth anything?
tender veldt
Apparently the game bugged out for me, Heists wont generate any reveal points after i clear a grand heist
Anyone has this issue?
trail tiger
idk what a reveal point is
tender veldt
Reveals for Grand Heist
trail tiger
reveal wings? i thought u pay the coins for that
tender veldt
Yeah, u need coins & 1 Reveal
U get them from doing normal heist, but mine is bugged
tender veldt
Wait what
trail tiger
maybe they are for special ones i got to
tender veldt
No eyes beside the coin when u reveal a wing?
trail tiger
let me go try
oh okay i see it now
the waku guy has them
idk how they fill up i never used them shows i have 25
how do you fill them? by completing contracts or?
Should I have been saving up reveals? i just fail the heists on purpose to try to get more chests faster maybe I am doing it wrong? I didnt see the value in the items in the end of the heist they seemed week
still mural
you get reveals by running contract heists, yeah
I think it's only a chance to get a reveal for sub-i68 contracts, though? I'm not sure we've figured out exactly why you sometimes don't get a reveal
sonic jacinth
mfw i just pop vaal grace and i do agility faster than tullina
trail tiger
is there a way to check your reveal amounts without starting a blueprint?
also still unsure if its worth to complete these contracts or not does the level of the contract level up these guys faster? maybe i should spam low level contracts just to get the crew levels up?
because it takes twice as long to get out of the contract for me once the lockdown hits, I have been just looting until almost full bar and leaving
still mural
You can put a blueprint in and check the reveals you have available without actually spending anything
I'm not aware of a way to check your reveals if you don't have a blueprint handy, though
job XP scales with contract ilvl, so you want higher ilvl contracts for more xp
trail tiger
okay
stinks cuz the i83 contracts take so long to escape for me
not hard but these guys are like 10x hp compared to like normal maps
still mural
the patch scheduled for early next week should help some by making the higher level contracts smaller
still mural
just also keep in mind that higher ilvl contracts tend to have higher job requirements, so you may need to use lower ones to get the first one or two job levels
cold bridge
is the item quantity on contracts just affecting mob drops yeah, not influencing the chests?
trail tiger
it seems like mobs are much tougher but idk about loot increase or not
karmic root
apologies for the broad question, but are blueprints 'safe' yet or are there still major bugs to watch out for? I think they said they fixed re-entry, but I'm not sure
still mural
re-entry is fine now
some folks are still having crashes, but I think everything else is fixed
karmic root
alright. sweet! TY ❤️
still mural
be sure to do a trinket one for your first, if you haven't yet, so you can get the benefit
karmic root
I haven't gotten through one without issues before. I'll give that a try. Thanks for the heads up!
Is it worth the risk of alching them? I assume so (if I can do that level of content). I know that helps a bunch with alarms in normal contracts
still mural
If you can safely manage it, yeah, but it can be quite tricky
and you'll want to avoid some specific mods (reflect, lockdown is instant, maybe crit multi)
personally I just transmute and augment
karmic root
kk. yeah I'm hitting red maps right now (first time on the new map system) and not the most tanky, so anything t6 or above heist-wise is probably dangerous
still mural
bringing Huck is a valid option for grand heists if you need the combat boost
like it's not ideal, but it's better than in contract heists since you get 3 rogues per wing instead of the one
torn isle
for perception missions, so long as I offscreen every enemy I don't need to worry about the threat increase, right?
karmic root
I'm runnin ED so as long as the door being opened doesn't lead to a million damage instantly, I can throw that down and wait a few.
still mural
no, because you can't hit the totems until your rogue reveals them @torn isle
also difficult to offscreen them with the corners of the totem rooms
torn isle
Can I stack a pile of VD balls while the rogue does that?
still mural
I'd think so, yeah
but idk if it'll be better than just running past them
probably will be a good option post-patch, though
slender plaza
Omg grand heist cost a lot
still mural
reveal prices are being lowered next patch
karmic root
eee I got through 2 of them and pulled some lucky drops on a gem one. Also TY for the tip re: trinkets!
still mural
\o/
neat rover
is GGG aware that unique contract breaking the unbreakable is fucking broken and you cant open it ?
i dont see anyone complain on redditt
rigid stream
Did you Talk to the Client?
still mural
that's probably worth making a post in the bug report forums, to make sure they know
fathom ridge
Does the rarity of a grand hiest contract affect revealing costs?
and if so, should I make it rare before or after I reveal stuff
pure saddle
No it not cost any extra
pure saddle
you mean big ones ( market room chests) ?
fathom ridge
yeah, like I know some of these are metamorph, delirium, etc, but I don't really know what that means in terms of the contents of the chests
jolly radish
f when ur vinderi is level 1 traps
modest yoke
oh, so this is why everything is so cheap and nothing sells xd
torn isle
offthought: There really should be some syndicate-based missions and interactions in Heist (if there is and I haven't reached it yet ignore this)
wispy grove
what's the best normal heists to run for prophecies?
next epoch
@torn isle there are some subtle connections
some of the heist contracts you're running are for riker maloney, for example
still mural
Vinderi sometimes says "looks like a maloney design" when disarming traps
@wispy grove perception contracts
signal swan
Why must Vinderi be the one that doubles up? >_>
He triggers the alarm in four small chests and needs good gear otherwise.
torn isle
what do you mean by double up?
pure saddle
he mean GGG calculation incorrect , i bet lot of ppl noticed that , he saying 20% increased aler level but feels more like 50% or more
torn isle
I thought he meant the doubling of heist reward, in which case I think that specific bit is intentional,
anyway, where can I farm lower level contracts so I can actually rank him up?
eager terrace
job requirement isn't tied to area level
signal swan
Ah, I meant that Vinderi is 5 in two things. And I dislike bringing him along since his gear isn't that good yet >_>
eager terrace
so you should be able to farm contracts wherever you want
torn isle
but isn't there a area level cap for job requirement (in that under a certain area level you can't get higher than tier 1 contracts)
eager terrace
maybe, but it only takes like 3 contracts to hit rank 3
torn isle
Yes, but first I need to actually hit rank 2 to be able to earn exp for rank 2 contracts. 😛
eager terrace
make sure to check the barber too
torn isle
ah forgot that, will check thanks]
he doesn't have demolitionist rank 1 contracts. :C
bah, guess I'll have to actually do some contracts my level. :x
opal sparrow
hey guys. umm with the smugglers den. the alarm totem things. how do you bypasss them?
eager terrace
currently you can't without accumulating some alert
your perception rogue has to reveal them before you can destroy them
opal sparrow
i see i see. thank you. i thought that was the case.
valid mist
Who at GGG thought the perception totems were a good idea???
torn isle
Is replica quill rain based of the "shoot a billion arrows" quill rain meme builds
Also.... would you get a replica loreweave if you sacrificed 60 replica rings?
livid pecan
is there a "meta" gem to double corrupt this league?
opal sparrow
if i lose my heist portal due to a game crash. do i just need to keep entering and exiting rogue harbour until i find the right instance?
had juicy loot and would be great if i can retrieve it lmao
oh nvm. logged back in and it was there. :/
sometimes when i crash the portal dissappears
versed dock
So what's the advantage to doing the 'Quest' Contracts for the specific members?
versed dock
yeah, that's why I was wondering xD
Hadn't had one yet that I thought had actual good drops and couldn't really track if there is some kind of influence on the members
late ember
Is there a list somewhere which members use melee/ranged/magic attack so I can equipe proper gear?
I couldn find it anywhere one their descriptions and guessing doesnt sound right
found it in the wiki https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Rogue
cloud basin
i know you can't trigger totems with like coc, cwdt, or focus helmet--can anyone confirm that it also doesn't work with 'trigger socketed spell' veiled mod?
cloud basin
nvm just tested, it doesn't
torn isle
You can't trigger totems, period.
silver mango
So I can't seem to find an answer for this, but do the Templar maps for Heist have buffs around some elites or mobs that make surrounding mobs have stupidly high block/dodge?
When they bulk up around doors or traps trying to kill a bunch of them is impossible
torn isle
Regarding heists, does the amount of alert before taking the heist target affect how long it takes for the barricades and formations to set up and block your path?
still mural
I believe higher alert = more reinforcements, but I don't know that it affects the speed
You can look at the uniques in poedb and see? @silver mango
silver mango
of course there's a DB for everything in this game
still mural
It's Head Enforcer and Security Specialist, I think, for the templar/military layouts
silver mango
thanks
torn isle
also imho frostblink is MVP due to having so many mobs everywhere greatly reducing the cooldown. :V
silver mango
crit by wall of text in poedb
I have a feel ing this is going to take some time to parse because this is information overload
still mural
I'm not seeing anything that looks like buffs to allies when I look over their entries, but I'm not a poedb expert either 😅
silver mango
Yeah, I'm just hyper confused. I'm doing contracts below my level and I've got 97% chance to hit evasive rn, but I can whiff like 5-6 attacks in a row.
And that's against the entire group with Ice Crash
So something else is in play but I can't fuggin find it
still mural
several of them do have block?
silver mango
That's a metric fuckton of block if they're stopping 10k crits at level 50.
still mural
yeah, I wouldn't think that'd be relevant, but it's the only thing I see 🤷
torn isle
block has nothing to do with damage done, but still. Also could be some of the rare or magic modifiers.
I do note that sometimes the AI does bug up and such and enemies sometimes don't seem to be in a damageable state if you don't get close enough to trigger them. (especially those who get in formation behind doors)
rocky bridge
are contracts worth doing rn or nah
still mural
yes, IMO
wraith oasis
So... anyone else having issues with the new abilities and higher rates of bluescreens on PS4? Just a random curiosity.
still mural
Ps4 is having a lot of various issues rn, I believe
neat rover
patch today?
still mural
possibly, or tomorrow
neat rover
is there some information about Nashta and The twin bosses/
still mural
just whatever's on poedb, and maybe the wiki
vast berry
What happened to the second venom gyre alternate quality?
On the main post it says " 100% chance to Fire a caught Projectile when Hit "
but in game its just +1 chain
frosty aurora
hard path
how do I do a heist with other people?
ruby dew
so where's Vinderi's firework shop?!
I finished his quest, he made an explosive that goes in the air and produces pretty colours. so where's his shop?
still mural
he's not going to sell them to just anyone
cosmic warren
erm which of the rogues can actually get Trap Disarmament V for the challenge?
copper kernel
vinderi?
cosmic warren
ah right, I'm completely blind I guess, thank you
ruby dew
@cosmic warren
https://poedb.tw/us/Heist#NPCs
flies away
cloud basin
can you use an awakener's orb to transfer a mod that only rolls on maces to a sceptre?
copper kernel
i dont think its going to let you woke orb 2 different item classes
rigid stream
oh god, i should have started lving with heists earlier
4 heists is over a lvl at lvl 68 and gave like 30+c of loot
somber wigeon
"Heist target: Enchanted Armaments" Is this just rares? is this grand heist worth it?
sour mountain
Rare weapons and armor with enchants and lucky affixes
violet nymph
does anyone know if alching contracts do anything? like does it increase the quantity of drops from loot chests?
long mulch
Anything stopping you from ignoring the objective and just grabbing every chest till lockdown?
Not like you have a failure debuff
slender temple
@long mulch you can do that for good loots
spice lichen
There is nothing stopping you from not completing it, other than your supply of marks
next epoch
I'm pretty sure you're also missing out on rogue experience by doing that, fwiw
vague glen
Run lower level contracts for rogue xp
Heist maps should be shorter starting tomorrow?
quiet sail
God I hope so.
After a certain point they become insanely long. I have just kind of been ignoring Heist honestly. It's time consuming, frustrating, and I think overall it just breaks up the gameplay loops pacing way too much.
valid mist
Heist is just poorly designed.
The core decisions they've had to walk back (and some that still need to be deleted) show it was never really thought about properly
Probably started and ended with the phrase 'wouldn't it be cool if' and completely forgot to take into account that an ARPG might not be the best genre to try and do stealth segments in.
That 6 second door animations that you're expected to repeat hundreds of times might get real old real fast.
Dropping loot on death is a novel concept but it's also not a good pick for a game thay crashes if you glance at it properly. And even THAT isn't very well done because you can just exit the alert area and run straight back in to 'save' the loot. Do a bit of annoying busywork and the only thing you're risking losing is the end reward.
As far as I'm concerned, regular Heists should probably start with you being teleported into a locked room with ~7 chests, of which you can only open a couple. Then, you have to fight your way out with one or two bonus doors on the side. That's more or less going to be what we get, except with backtracking.
peak terrace
whats stopping u from entering opening the chests and leaving to char select if it is bad
essentially keeping only the big drops
how is that any diff than a pick urloot system that requires investment to get going
rigid stream
If you log Out you lose your loot
coral garden
Smh obviously doesnt play the game
slender temple
I think they should have included heists in the 75k quality challenge
jagged surge
Yeah i have Soon played an amount of Maps that have gotten me all bonus and aw objectives without buying a single map and im about to break the 40k, i hate that challenge with a passion every single league with diffrent iterations
void wing
It's not so bad with a fast mapping build.
You gotta really get into the zoom mindset tho.
jagged surge
Well im playing 300% movespeed fire bv, not really better zoom then that :p
void wing
Fair nuff.
quiet sail
Heist is just poorly designed.
@valid mist that's my biggest complaint. Like you can tell they thought of an idea and went all the way through implementing it without ever questioning if it fit the game.
In an ARPG like PoE, there is no way to do a stealth minigame. And the complaints people have had for years still exist in Heist.
Why are there stupid animations to slow you down? Why are there dumb on death damage effects for enemies? Why does it seem to exist in its own little world with little interlocking elements with the base game? Why are there pointless RNG elements to it that just should not exist?
A group of dedicated players would have pointed all these things out within hours of testing it. But it's clear GGG never bothered to play test it externally.
valid mist
The RNG isn't the problem, I think everyone has mostly come to terms with GGG's fractal RNG by now - even if they hate it.
The problem is that Heist is a stealth minigame in an aRPG. It should be more like robbing a bank than burglarizing a mansion.
rigid stream
Did you actually Play the league
valid mist
Yes.
rigid stream
So why are you still complaining
valid mist
Perception totems still exist.
valid mist
Now I'm starting to feel like you're the one who hasn't played the League.
stuck horizon
:D
rigid stream
You do realise that they have a Casttime and that they can be killed?
quiet sail
My issue is still that it breaks up the core gameplay loop too much. The game is predicated on kill stuff, get loot. Having these arbitrary restrictions in the game and convoluted means of achieving that is just not fun. They fixed a lot of the major issues, but in doing so they basically broke the entire theme of the league. Even disregarding that, the idea as it applies to the type of game PoE is was fundamentally flawed. It's basically just a separate and more annoying version of maps right now.
The other leagues that I considered fun to play had less barriers to them, even though they had different serious flaws. Something like Legion fits well within the core design of the game. Even Harvest did in its own right. But Heist just feels like it's stapled to the game in an unnatural way, and even now 2 weeks in I just don't find it interesting. When I do them I just go through opening chests and then book it out as fast as I can. Were it not for the Heists often giving a ton of currency and certain other items, I can think of few reasons to actually do them after a certain point.
turbid remnant
Harvest feels like youre playing a completely different game
you go to rogue harbor, spend hours without interacting with any of the games usual content
could say delve is similar, except in delve you still kill monsters, and the gameplay loop feels similar
in heist you do shit thats complete opposide
backtracking, avoiding monsters
quiet sail
You don't really have to avoid anything at this point.
Harvest could be seen as a complement to other systems in the game though.
deft girder
If you are good at eyeing your alarm, you can avoid backtracking. Although not everyone can do it easily.
quiet sail
I also think Delve is an oddball, but I think they made it work. It's entirely possible Heist will get there, but it is a long ways off.
I'm not sure I will ever hate a league as much as I hate Blight though...
quiet sail
How do you mean?
rigid stream
You probably also Hate Sirus cause He has phases and you have to Stop fighting for 20 seconds
quiet sail
I feel like there's no shortage of reasons to hate Sirus beyond the phase changes--which I don't mind.
deft girder
I only hate his off screen laser.
rigid stream
The thing is, heists are really rewarding and Take less time than a map.
If they are more rewarding, you are heavily juicing your Maps already
quiet sail
I would argue they have to be notably more rewarding, otherwise nobody would do them at all.
void wing
I don't think comparing heists to fully juiced top tier maps is a fair comparison.
deft girder
I hope the patch later would make it easier to burn all the contracts and have a good amount of marker.
uneven silo
they only fix one crash instance in the latest patch
i am afraid it won't make you hope to be true
rigid stream
You can easily get a 7c Profit per Low lvl contract right now and high lvl contracts give real items on top
uneven silo
so kurai and adiyah is just normal npc
quiet sail
Which is great, but it's still not fun content. It feels tedious. Even if they are faster, each Heist feels like it takes as long as 2-3 maps.
uneven silo
and it is just a small heist
and now i know why Ashblessed Warden look strong on enemy side but quiet stupi in my side
rigid stream
And thats the Thing, Not all Content is possible to be Fun for everyone
I for example hate Delirium
And Reddit is a very Bad metric to measure If something is fun or Not. Reddit detests everything
quiet sail
That I do understand. I just feel like I can see the value in other league mechanics, but Heist has me really struggling--beyond the point that they are incredibly lucrative.
Like I don't care for Incursion or whatever it is, but I get what Alva and the temple have to offer and where the value is in doing it. I hate Blight stuff, but I still do it because Blight maps give great rewards and I need those oils.
unreal nebula
should i alc contracts ?
or run white ?
welp ;
rigid stream
Regular heists give some rewards and are used to fuel the big heists, Just Like incursions in maps
peak terrace
why not alch heists
even if it affects the mobs only
u do kill a buncha stufg
so why not
void wing
Run maps with gianna > grand heists > profit
void wing
You don't need to do all the content from every mechanic if you don't enjoy it.
Sorry, contracts.
peak terrace
o
void wing
Same thing 
peak terrace
same thing with extra steps
void wing
I mean it's almost the same number of steps, juicing is just slightly different.
rigid stream
Juicing allows more chests
Up to 30% less alert + 30% more lockdown time + 30% more packsize
still mural
it can be pretty rippy, though
rigid stream
Yes
Also, with Bonk Champion, you can Just Bypass the formation
Everything gets Hit, call of Steel, stuff dies
valid mist
packsize? kek
rigid stream
Yes, during the escape
jagged surge
Rip islas 75sec lockdown after patch
rigid stream
Eh, you are Just gonna get the big chests now
They poop scarabs and more loot than before
jagged surge
New meta will be vinderi, calling it now
still mural
vinderi was already meta
jagged surge
Open a few with high chance of dupe
Depends, sometime i cant even open 4 of the 25chests and the map is longer then running thru it in 30sec
rigid stream
With vinderi you now Open all the big chests and thats it
But
I dont know If He even works
jagged surge
Y
rigid stream
There is No indication If He proccs or not
jagged surge
I have personally never gotten dupes
rigid stream
Its very hard to tell
jagged surge
Atleast not noticable
still mural
well, and is it that the items get duped, or does the chest just give double rewards
rigid stream
The rewards fluctuate too much to notice
still mural
but I agree that some kind of indication of him proccing would be nice
same for trinket & brooch procs
jagged surge
I got 2 6l with same base from same chest once tho
signal girder
Is patch live ?
ornate flower
still mural
dunno if it'll be morning or afternoon
mortal yarrow
torn isle
About heist, what happens if you trigger lockdown before reaching the heist target?
rigid stream
You have 20 Seconds to get the target
torn isle
And if you don't?
still mural
If you fill the alarm bar? you get a timer (base ~20s, I believe, increases with Isla's perk and some rogue gear mods)
rigid stream
Modified by rogue Equipment
still mural
during that time you can open chests & the target case; each chest gives a time penalty
when time expires, all the chests & the target case lock and can't be opened
rigid stream
You start the Alarm, guards start appearing
torn isle
So you still get to keep all your loot regardless?
still mural
Tibbs/Niles can open a limited number of chests after time expires, but not the target case
Yes, if you escape with it you keep everything as normal; just don't get the target item (so no marker profit) and no XP for your rogue(s)
still mural
if it's a green quest contract then you'll have to get it again from another cache and do it again at some point, as you didn't successfully complete it
and it doesn't count towards the heist completion challenges
torn isle
was wondering if I could just sacrifice the target to rush chests instead, since some maps spawn with a crapload of chests, and getting random currency from chest is probably better than the heist target.
still mural
Yeah, you can
rigid stream
Yes thats possible
torn isle
also, assuming I can handle it, is it a good idea to farm security guards for rogue equipments? (since I think that's the only source of that?)
still mural
I generally try to kill the uniques I see on the way out, and often the rares, but I don't stay and farm multiple waves or anything
eventually they do stop dropping items, so keep an eye out for that if you do farm more
(and yeah, heist mobs are the only source of rogue gear)
rigid stream
They are alright for loot, nothing super Special though and fairly strong
torn isle
yes, but as noted, only source of rogue gear.
rigid stream
not too bad for one wakano inventory
rotund pine
so... wut happened with this thing? why there is none for sale?
livid lake
tied to the unreleased content probably
rotund pine
wuuut? there is unreleased heist content?
still mural
the bosses, yeah; they should be in this upcoming patch
cobalt cradle
any1 can tell me if Divergent Bone Offering quality bonus also affects you if you use mistress of sacrifice
?
neat rover
yeah bosses that are in the game dont drop any special loot
bugged or just unreleased...
rapid shell
What's the best way to use a Prime regrading lens orb to maximize profit?
rigid stream
You can?
Use it on one of the sougth after auras
That can give you several ex Worth of Profit
quaint shadow
Is there a list somewhere that shows the possible mods the blueprints can have?
crisp tree
poedb
cunning blade
is it worth juicing heists atm?
does map item quant even affect the chests actually
rigid stream
it affects alert timer lockdown timer and packsize at least^^
still mural
I'm sure it's on poedb somewhere @quaint shadow
Adding mods is probably worthwhile if it won't slow you down a lot/kill you @cunning blade personally I make em magic but not rare
swift rain
twin rampart
mods is fine until you get one shot